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2026 NFL Draft CB Brandon Cisse: “I’m trying to be the BEST corner in the League” | Richard Sherman · The Richard Sherman Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Richard Sherman Podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Today we have an incredible guest, Brandon s Say, a sumter,
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  Speaker 2: South Carolina native who played at Lakewood High School and
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  Speaker 2: spent two seasons at NC State before coming to South Carolina,
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  Speaker 2: where he posted twenty seven tackles, five past breakups and
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  Speaker 2: interception in twenty twenty five.
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  Speaker 1: You're one of the.
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  Speaker 2: Fastest rising names in this draft class, a guy who's
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  Speaker 2: built a real name for himself through hard work, production,
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  Speaker 2: and toughness. So we've got to get into your journey,
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  Speaker 2: your game, and what's next for you.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome to that show, brother, I appreciate you having your
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  Speaker 3: own Yeah, no.
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  Speaker 1: Problem, it's it's my pleasure.
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  Speaker 2: I want to I want to talk ball, I want
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  Speaker 2: to talk personal, I want to talk everything you want
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  Speaker 2: to talk about. But at at what point during your
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  Speaker 2: your career you know, I mean, you went from n
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  Speaker 2: C State to South Carolina, which is which is something
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  Speaker 2: we got to talk about in the first place, because
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  Speaker 2: that seems like, you know, a little crazy, But I
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  Speaker 2: went from the Seahawks and the Niners, so you know,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I know a thing or two about that.
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  Speaker 2: But at one point did you know that you had
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  Speaker 2: the potential to be an NFL corner.
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  Speaker 3: I would say probably software here, sophomore here.
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  Speaker 4: That's when it clicked for me.
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  Speaker 2: At what moment was it a game, was it a practice?
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  Speaker 2: Was it just a moment in time a month?
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  Speaker 4: I would say probably just the first month of the season.
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  Speaker 4: It just felt super easy. It just felt like I
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  Speaker 4: was just playing at a faster pacing. Everybody else knew
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  Speaker 4: what was coming, so anticipating.
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  Speaker 2: What do you think is the I guess the best
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  Speaker 2: part of your game? Is it your press? Is it
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  Speaker 2: your man?
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  Speaker 4: The man?
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  Speaker 1: Is your instincts, your your ball skills? What is it
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  Speaker 1: that sets you apart?
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  Speaker 3: I think it's the athleticism combined with the versatility and
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  Speaker 3: the IQ.
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  Speaker 4: I think that's the three things. I would say separate
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  Speaker 4: me because you can move me around, you can play
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  Speaker 4: the inside outside. But I can tell you everybody's doing
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  Speaker 4: it all time, so it makes it easy.
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  Speaker 1: You be careful. They throw you at safety. You know.
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  Speaker 2: RT in a heartbeat, and you know they got Nick
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  Speaker 2: playing everywhere in the league.
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  Speaker 1: They said South Carolina.
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  Speaker 4: Got Carolina freakish. Yep, Let's go ahead and put him
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  Speaker 4: every well.
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  Speaker 1: Go ahead, put him somewhere.
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  Speaker 2: Any smart be careful, be careful. Who taught you to
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  Speaker 2: play corner?
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  Speaker 4: Oh?
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  Speaker 3: Snap man? My high school coach. Honestly, ninth grade.
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  Speaker 4: He just threw me at a corner because I was
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  Speaker 4: a receiver before that, Like even in high school, I
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  Speaker 4: was just a big time receiver.
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  Speaker 3: Like I didn't really think I was gonna be a
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  Speaker 3: corner in college.
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  Speaker 4: And when I got it, he stayed. I just threw
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  Speaker 4: me in the corner room. So it's just really a
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  Speaker 4: high school in ninth grade.
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  Speaker 2: So what was that conversation? Like it was like, okay,
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  Speaker 2: so receiver or corner, and it was like corner. He
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  Speaker 2: was like, so not receiver.
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  Speaker 4: So my mom, I went to the camp and I
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  Speaker 4: just performed that corner. But like all my highlights on
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  Speaker 4: receiver highlights.
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  Speaker 3: So I was like, man, maybe they gonna let me
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  Speaker 3: play receiver.
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  Speaker 4: No, I got that corner.
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  Speaker 3: Know both ways here you're playing corner.
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  Speaker 1: You didn't you didn't even ask.
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  Speaker 4: You didn't even ask when I got there. Man through
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  Speaker 4: me right in that corner.
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  Speaker 1: I asked, no question.
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  Speaker 2: That's tough. That's tough. But you a for a corner.
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  Speaker 2: One thing I respect about you. You throw your nose in there.
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  Speaker 2: You you getting involved in a run game. What goes
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  Speaker 2: into that mindset because obviously you know some people are
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  Speaker 2: tall at corner.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, that's not my job.
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  Speaker 4: But for you, for me, hey, we getting part, we
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  Speaker 4: getting involved exactly. I think it's just a mentality thing.
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  Speaker 4: It's like a dog mindset. You know, I play on
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  Speaker 4: the edge on me, you know, something like I was
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  Speaker 4: under recruited, stuff like that. So it's just like, hey,
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  Speaker 4: and I feel like it's a tone setter. It's a
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  Speaker 4: tone setter. When you see the corners tackling a lot
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  Speaker 4: of teams, they don't like corners to tackle. They want
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  Speaker 4: to put them in the fit. So I feel like
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  Speaker 4: if you put me in the fit and make you sure,
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  Speaker 4: you like, hey, that's the kind of mindset I've gotten
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  Speaker 4: just that kind of person. So and then I like,
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  Speaker 4: I don't want to be known as a covered corner,
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  Speaker 4: Like I'm a complete guy. So that's how I like them.
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  Speaker 1: G I love it. I love it.
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  Speaker 4: What.
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  Speaker 1: So let's get into it.
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  Speaker 2: What went into the decision to transfer from NC State
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  Speaker 2: to South Carolina.
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  Speaker 4: So the defensive coordinator, Tony Gibson, he was like he
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  Speaker 4: was gonna take the Marshall head coaching job. So he
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  Speaker 4: took the martial head coaching job and took the whole
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  Speaker 4: support staff, like the gas and everybody with them. So
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  Speaker 4: it was like, dang, they full time coaches now me
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  Speaker 4: B and B. I couldn't go down and level and
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  Speaker 4: go to Marshall with them like that just when you
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  Speaker 4: do that and you do that.
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  Speaker 3: So it was kind of like, okay, Like I sat
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  Speaker 3: down thought about it.
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  Speaker 4: I was like, man, like, what's the difference between playing
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  Speaker 4: for a whole new defensive staff. If I'm gonna have
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  Speaker 4: a whole new defensive staff anyway, and why not do
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  Speaker 4: it in the best conference in America, which I believe
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  Speaker 4: was SEC. So then coach Clay had right. He called me.
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  Speaker 4: He was like, hey, man, like, you want to come
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  Speaker 4: back home?
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  Speaker 3: And I was like, yeah, I ain't recruit me out
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  Speaker 3: of high school.
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  Speaker 4: But then.
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  Speaker 3: You over there bluffing over there, bluffing knowing I wanted
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  Speaker 3: to come back.
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  Speaker 1: He said, you said you're a coach. Nah, we good.
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  Speaker 2: So so so what'd you say my apartment would be again?
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  Speaker 2: You said right by the house. Okay, yeah, I mean no,
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to I'm going you know, I'm going to California.
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  Speaker 1: So Gilly is.
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  Speaker 2: One of your mentors, another South Carolina great, former defensive
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  Speaker 2: Player of the Year, good friend of mine. Talk about
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  Speaker 2: your relationship with him and what he's done to help
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  Speaker 2: you and mentor you through your journey.
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  Speaker 4: Like my older brother, my best friend. You know, we
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  Speaker 4: talk every day just about everything, like literally football. If
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  Speaker 4: you go through our threads, probably like two hundred and
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  Speaker 4: fifty three hundred videos and just us and the stuff
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  Speaker 4: back and forth to each other.
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  Speaker 3: So we talk every day. Actually, just talked to.
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  Speaker 4: Him last night. He'll be out here next next week
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  Speaker 4: when the draft comes or two weeks it'll come see me.
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  Speaker 4: But that's like my older brother, and I was just
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  Speaker 4: with him in Dallas, So like we're really really close,
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  Speaker 4: like super tight because we see the game the same
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  Speaker 4: way and it's kind of rare when you find somebody
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  Speaker 4: who sees it that way. And when you find somebody
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  Speaker 4: like that, that's huge. So he's been a huge mentor
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  Speaker 4: for me.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's great, and he's a great technician. You know,
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  Speaker 2: he and I talk. We don't have three hundred videos
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  Speaker 2: between us, but yeah, we have a pretty good relationship. Uh,
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  Speaker 2: And you know, I've helped him sometimes and talked him
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  Speaker 2: through some free agency stuff. And just talk the game.
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  Speaker 2: But he has an incredible knack and natural like instincts
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  Speaker 2: for a corner, like some people just built to play corner.
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  Speaker 1: And Gilly words, He's like, Gilly, you can't teach that.
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  Speaker 1: You can't.
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  Speaker 2: You can't read it in the book. I can't go
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  Speaker 2: tell no kid what you were thinking on that play.
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  Speaker 4: Because jumping outside and taking it for sticks and taking
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  Speaker 4: it for six I'm like, Gilly, you out here playing
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  Speaker 4: with them dropped? You got he got something different about him?
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  Speaker 1: He do, he do? But what is your like?
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  Speaker 2: I want to talk football now because you got you
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  Speaker 2: got two books on your career in college.
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  Speaker 1: We got to get your own books.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, I'm kind of questioning your former receiver a
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  Speaker 2: little bit. So now how do we get your hands
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  Speaker 2: on the football more in the National Football League? Because
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  Speaker 2: I'll tell you this, I played corner for two years
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  Speaker 2: in college. I had six and I'll tell you this,
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  Speaker 2: I really didn't learn to play corner until I got
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  Speaker 2: the league because I was a receiver in college for
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  Speaker 2: my first two years three years, then a red shirted,
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  Speaker 2: got an injury red shirt, and then played corner the
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  Speaker 2: last two years. I didn't really know how to pedal.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I was just kind of out there floating,
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  Speaker 2: but I knew how to play receiver and recognize the
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  Speaker 2: concepts and so that, you know, get you a couple.
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  Speaker 4: I would say, I would say, first, it starts off
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  Speaker 4: with just you know, having the ability, you know, all
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  Speaker 4: the athleticism and all those things. Sometimes just gotta take risks.
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  Speaker 4: You know, I'm saying, like, you know what's coming, you
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  Speaker 4: getting at four point one, you know that slant coming,
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  Speaker 4: just go jump it. You know what I'm saying, Like
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  Speaker 4: little things like that. Or if they're getting a bunch
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  Speaker 4: and three goes flat right now, then I know I'm
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  Speaker 4: expecting spacing and things like that. So just understanding like, hey,
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  Speaker 4: you can take risk at Tomsley using all my athletic
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  Speaker 4: ability even in a one on one place. Because in
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  Speaker 4: this defense at South Carolina, like we gonna play man
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  Speaker 4: the man. That's just who we are. Like we're gonna
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  Speaker 4: play like, hey, you gotta beat us over the top.
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  Speaker 4: And I feel like there's a few players I left
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  Speaker 4: out there where I dropped a few of them and
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  Speaker 4: I need to get my head back and steal some.
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  Speaker 4: So but that it's coming, it's definitely.
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  Speaker 2: I'll tell you this about the league I played for
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  Speaker 2: eleven years or so, I had forty one if you.
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  Speaker 1: Include the playoffs.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, of those forty one probably like twenty eight or nine.
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  Speaker 4: Balls exactly, Like.
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  Speaker 2: If you're gonna hear you not beating me on the
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  Speaker 2: nine ball now that I'm about And it's about positioning.
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  Speaker 2: It's about getting your head around, it's about trusting, and
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  Speaker 2: it's also about understanding. You know where you are on
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  Speaker 2: the field, the position that people are in, and then
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  Speaker 2: the tempo of the receiver. You you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 2: When you line up they feel a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: You can feel it. You're looking them in the eye.
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  Speaker 1: They fix it.
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  Speaker 2: You can feel it. You can feel it. But what
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  Speaker 2: I would tell you to work on mentally is in practice,
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  Speaker 2: pick it off. Like there's never a wasted rep. There's
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  Speaker 2: never a time where picking the ball isn't the best play.
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  Speaker 2: Like if you're going through a drill, you're knocking it down,
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  Speaker 2: you waste the drill. You can get to get to, like,
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  Speaker 2: you have to train yourself to pick the ball off
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  Speaker 2: so that when you not you know, I'm not trying
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  Speaker 2: to preach to you, but when you get those positions consistently,
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  Speaker 2: your body naturally says, oh, pick the ball off, and
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  Speaker 2: then when you say, oh it's too far to pick
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  Speaker 2: it off, you bat it.
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  Speaker 1: That's my two cents.
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  Speaker 4: I believe it, that's true. That's I'm gonna take with
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  Speaker 4: me for sure.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I want you to. I want you to lead
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  Speaker 1: the league and picks your rookie year. I'm sitting there like.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so outside of Gilly, what are other Who are
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  Speaker 2: some other guys that you watched and tried to pattern
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  Speaker 2: your game after.
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  Speaker 4: Obviously I think you know it's another side Carolna guy
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  Speaker 4: jac I think all that ability. Then I watched Gonzo
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  Speaker 4: obviously sertain because I feel like you're the best in
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  Speaker 4: the game right now just from a technician standpoint, and
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  Speaker 4: you don't find many like that. And then honestly like
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  Speaker 4: watching Devil Witherspoons because the way he throws his body
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  Speaker 4: around in the versatility, and then the McDuffie's you know
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  Speaker 4: what I'm saying, how smart they are and how Spags
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  Speaker 4: see him and how he fit in that scheme was
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  Speaker 4: just special to me. And just see how they utilize this.
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  Speaker 4: That's probably man, guys, I'm watching it right now.
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  Speaker 2: You gotta be careful because McDuffie is in a different
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  Speaker 2: place and Spags is looking for a corner.
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  Speaker 1: You might find your way the.
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  Speaker 2: City before you play better Eye last boy. They ain't
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  Speaker 2: got no corners right now. They watched both vic Paris
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  Speaker 2: goes to the Rams, so they are looking and you
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  Speaker 2: would be a perfect fit for what they do really well.
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  Speaker 1: So that's a great I like that. How far do
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  Speaker 1: you and Nick go back?
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  Speaker 2: You talked about before we got on the show about
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  Speaker 2: coming to Seattle to watch him in the NFC Championship game.
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  Speaker 2: Obviously he's a South Carolina guy that you didn't necessarily
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  Speaker 2: get to play with.
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  Speaker 1: But you guys go back to seven on sevens.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm in high school. So high school, we both
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  Speaker 4: had no offers. Like you talk about like two players
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  Speaker 4: who were super freakish. We had no offers, like we
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  Speaker 4: were super under recruited, so we kind of just kind
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  Speaker 4: of clicked instantly, Like well, when we got out there,
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  Speaker 4: it's kind of like game respect game, you know, and
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  Speaker 4: after that point, like, hey, we didn't care who got
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  Speaker 4: what offers or what. It's just a really good brotherhood.
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  Speaker 3: And I actually just tested him mystery too, so he
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  Speaker 3: good to talk to all the time.
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  Speaker 4: That's my dude.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he's a good dude.
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  Speaker 2: What's something about playing corner, the toughest part of playing
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  Speaker 2: corner that you think the casual fan just doesn't seem
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  Speaker 2: to understand.
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  Speaker 4: I would say it could be good ninety five percent
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  Speaker 4: of the game, but you give it one little play,
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  Speaker 4: you know, that's the five percent that you know, that's all.
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  Speaker 4: That's all the media cares this year. That's what people
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  Speaker 4: who don't really understand the game care to see. They
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  Speaker 4: don't understand like, hey, you give you gave up, you
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  Speaker 4: gave up a non ball in two minute situations. That's
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  Speaker 4: what they're looking at and.
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  Speaker 3: Not caring about the whole game where you they have.
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  Speaker 4: This guy catch a ball on you. It's not about that,
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  Speaker 4: you know that. It's about what you give up in
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  Speaker 4: this That's reality. It's a production eight.
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  Speaker 2: It is a production business in the league is no
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  Speaker 2: different than that. Like you could you could be if
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  Speaker 2: you play sixty snaps, you could be lockdown for fifty eight.
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  Speaker 2: Let you give up that slant on third and five
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  Speaker 2: that leads to a first down in a field goal.
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  Speaker 1: To win the game. You are getting You are getting cooked,
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  Speaker 1: young brother.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, And that's another part of the game that I
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  Speaker 2: want to talk to you about is the social media
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  Speaker 2: and negativity, the vitrol.
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  Speaker 1: That's how do you avoid that?
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  Speaker 2: Because playing corner, no matter what, I've had seasons where
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  Speaker 2: I led the league in interceptions, we're number one defense,
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  Speaker 2: We freaking roared to the super Bowl, killed everybody, and
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  Speaker 2: there's still people on your page like you could suck,
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  Speaker 2: like you suck, like you're the worst corner in the league.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, clearly, guys, I got eight picks. I ain't
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  Speaker 2: giving up no passes. I'm the guy, you.
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  Speaker 1: Know what I mean?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, But how do you kind of drown out
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  Speaker 2: the noise and stay focused?
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  Speaker 1: Uh?
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  Speaker 4: For me, I think you got to understand, like, hey,
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  Speaker 4: you got to understand they don't understand coverages and what's
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  Speaker 4: being asked of you, so they don't understand what's going
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  Speaker 4: through in this building. That's the only thing that matters
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  Speaker 4: is what the people in the building are telling you
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  Speaker 4: what matters. So I feel like all of that stuff
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  Speaker 4: is like anybody can go on Instagram here and account
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  Speaker 4: Twitter and just spit out whatever you want to say.
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  Speaker 4: But I mean, what is what was the point of it?
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  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying like, really, the point of
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  Speaker 4: it is because all they want is attention for you
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  Speaker 4: to see it, and they just hope you respond to it.
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  Speaker 4: So at that point it's this noise like, hey, you
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  Speaker 4: don't understand the game, Like, hey, I do. I do
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  Speaker 4: this for a living, Like this is what I do?
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  Speaker 4: So why would I care about what you've been through
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  Speaker 4: the account? And I'm not right right?
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  Speaker 1: Well, have you read some of the stuff that they're
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  Speaker 1: saying about you in the draft? Like uh?
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  Speaker 2: On NFL dot com they said, yeah, no. They they
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  Speaker 2: list your strengths really explosive, great man the man coverage,
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  Speaker 2: really twitchy athlete, make makes good plays on the ball,
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  Speaker 2: but they say things like the low average and route recognition, uh,
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  Speaker 2: break matching from all, struggles to find playmaking position with
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  Speaker 2: the back to the ball, below average tackling and adjustments
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  Speaker 2: on ball fifty to fifty balls. What do you feel
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  Speaker 2: about that? And how are you addressing things that they
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  Speaker 2: call your weaknesses? Because I could read my draft profile
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  Speaker 2: they said I was gonna be a competent back up.
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  Speaker 2: I couldn't play the blow, I couldn't tackle well in space,
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  Speaker 2: I didn't recognize routes, and I was an average athlete
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  Speaker 2: that was high wasted and couldn't keep up with NFL speed.
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  Speaker 4: I think for people like that who made those accounts
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  Speaker 4: to make all those little cut ups and things like that,
• 14:34
  Speaker 4: let's visit that in through four years when I'm trying
• 14:36
  Speaker 4: to break the market. So well, we'll see, we'll visit
• 14:39
  Speaker 4: that little visit that through that's a goal. Let's visit
• 14:42
  Speaker 4: that through four gets to see about utist. You can't
• 14:44
  Speaker 4: match things and you don't got IQ below average in
• 14:47
  Speaker 4: all these areas, so we'll see, we'll see. Let's let's
• 14:50
  Speaker 4: do the chip.
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: You've played outside corner your whole career.
• 14:55
  Speaker 2: Do you think you have the versatility to play inside
• 14:57
  Speaker 2: to play safety in some of these role Nick Nick
• 15:00
  Speaker 2: went to Seattle as a safety, but they played him
• 15:04
  Speaker 2: in a crazy unique robber role that he played everything
• 15:07
  Speaker 2: from linebacker to defensive end.
• 15:10
  Speaker 1: But if a team asked you to do that, what
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: would you say?
• 15:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's easy, super easy. You know Coach White here,
• 15:18
  Speaker 4: you know he utilized me in that role up at
• 15:20
  Speaker 4: times two and third down. And obviously I can play
• 15:22
  Speaker 4: it on base now too, like I know everybody doing
• 15:24
  Speaker 4: so I know the rotations and I know if I'm
• 15:27
  Speaker 4: supposed to be list. I understand how to put words together,
• 15:29
  Speaker 4: and like I'm just super smart in that kind of way.
• 15:32
  Speaker 4: So that's not that's super easy for me.
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: It's easy to justine, what how much time do you
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: spend preparing for games? Like if I ask you the
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: mental side of the game and they're talking about route
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: recognition and things like that, how much time do you
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: spend identifying you know, first and second down, third down,
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: their concepts, the things that they do well in translating
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: it onto the practice field in game field.
• 15:56
  Speaker 4: Honestly, man, Like I'll be honestly lying to if I
• 15:59
  Speaker 4: told you the moment I get off the practice field,
• 16:01
  Speaker 4: I'm probably up here in ten minutes, you.
• 16:03
  Speaker 3: Know, like just right now stuff and just watching it,
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: watching over and over like when I go home, Like
• 16:07
  Speaker 3: I'm literally.
• 16:08
  Speaker 4: A junkie at this stuff, Like this is what I do.
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: Like I like getting on the board, I like drawing
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: up schemes.
• 16:12
  Speaker 4: I like studying all these dcs. Like that's just who
• 16:15
  Speaker 4: I am, so uh it, don't never stop and coach
• 16:18
  Speaker 4: why you probably call Coach White. He'll tell you like, hey, man,
• 16:20
  Speaker 4: I don't know if there's the smarter corner that I've had,
• 16:22
  Speaker 4: you know, so it's true.
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: I love that.
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: I love that because that's that's the great separator in
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: the National Football League. It's everybody's athletic, everybody's fast, explosive,
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: can jump out of the gym, play multiple sports. But
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: the guys that can can separate themselves from the cream
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: of the crop are the guys that can understand the schemes,
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: how they're being attacked, how the scheme's being attacked, what
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: they're in. I say, we're in cover four, Yeah, all right,
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: they're three by one. I'm backside backs backs away. So
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: clearly it's four strong, backside slant. But teams are smart,
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: they know their habits.
• 16:57
  Speaker 4: Window dress. You're gonna motion away from it so you
• 16:59
  Speaker 4: don't see it because you're pressed. You know they're gonna
• 17:01
  Speaker 4: try to get get it, get it away from you.
• 17:03
  Speaker 4: Nobody want to give you a clue, like and that's
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: the best.
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: Job you do at it one hundred percent and one
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: hundred percent, and your job on third and five or
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: or after an explosive run and understanding the tendencies and
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: understanding the percentages and then being able to translate that
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: on game day in the moment in big games. Is
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: what allows great corners to beat Hall of Fame corners, Like, Hey,
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: we studied this all week. Now it's fourth quarter with
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: two minutes to go. We ran this play three four
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: times in practice, but my shoulder hurts. I'm a little dazed.
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: Right now we run into blitz that I know if
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: he put puts pressure on the quarterback, he's gonna throw
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: it hot to the flag. Can I pick this ball
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: off and win us the game?
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: Exactly? Can I see the quick game and change it?
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: And am I willing to put my foot in the
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: ground and risk.
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: Being wrong and risk being wrong knowing I'm knowing I
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: got a third? That's I trusted a drop or just
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: trusting your prep that I've seen all we're gonna take
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: and I can explain it to my coach the next
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: day in film. Hey, what are you doing on this play?
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: Coach?
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: Remember that play you showed me all we can film
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: just to play. This is the coverage you're in, This
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: is what you told me to do, This is what
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: I've done all week. If they double moved me, hey,
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: they bet they were better than us today.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: Exactly what coverage do you prefer to play?
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: Man a man? Love it.
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: Love it.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: They teams play in the National Football League, no team
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: outside of Cleveland. Cleveland played the most. I think they
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: were at forty percent. Yeah, next was the Broncos at
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: thirty two or thirty one percent with Pat Chupan and
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: the Boys and and Riley, So it's not a ton Yeah,
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: you're a really smart player. What other coverages do you
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: like to play?
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: I think the match stuff obviously, the cover three matches
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: in the match quarters that all the fake zeros, Flores
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: doesn't Minnesoda out for lack his gree so all to
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: cover to inverse when everybody down up their mugget everything up.
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: But I mean that's any coverage really. There's so many
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: weaknesses and strengths to every cover. So I was like
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: the fire and zones and things like that. Just sending
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: one and being able to get an extra hatch here
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: and there, but also understanding you got a little bit underneath,
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: helps a little bit gone now, so understanding what's coming.
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: It just really depends on who we play, you know,
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: Like I love all the fake zeros, probably be in
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: the zero, so I like all that stuff.
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: What team is showing the most interesting you throughout this process?
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: Man, I honestly everybody outside everybody, I want to figure
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: out one and everybody else on me about Oh you
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: didn't say anything about but no, everybody did pretty good.
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: So it's just been on the road a lot. But
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: everybody I've talked to really much everybody, and I still
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: talk to a good bit of people every single day.
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: So it's been really non stock.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: Politically correct answer. Oh that's funny, but I like that.
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: I like that.
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: All right, let's let's go rapid fire. I'm gonna rapid
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: fire questions. You just give me quick answers.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: You ready. Best receiver you faced.
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: Kevin Concession.
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: From text and m Yeah. What made him special?
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: Uh, this is how smart he is, how deceptive you know,
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: he really good versus off Man's and things like that.
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: So they put you in a trick to situations where
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: you utilize the shift you needs it as I Q
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: with things. And that's actually my former roommate. So you know,
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: he's super smart, you know, and they really good person too.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: That's the worst when you know, when you really know
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: him personal that you're like, I know all the tricks,
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: but that's kind of tricking me a little bit.
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: Look exactly, like, hey, is it still the same, you know, right, But.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: That's dB you study growing up. That's me and Champ
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: just had a discussion about this on uh. Best advice
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: Gilly gave.
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: You just be yourself, trust audibility.
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: You already did all the work. Just keep being you.
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: Don't forget who you are when you get there.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: Best trash talk you ever used on the field.
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: That you can say here, I don't think I could
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: probably say it out here, but definitely swagger for sure.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: I love it. One thing people don't know about you.
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: That I like to go fishing.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: Okay, okay, what's your favorite kind of fish to catch.
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: Right now on the pond, right now, so fast, right now.
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: But I will probably go catch me in striper here
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: soon on the lake, So probably give me some striper something.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: South Carolina Boys. One goal for you your rookie year.
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: Just go go earn a job. Go on a job.
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: That's where it starts.
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: Go on the job, make plays of special teams and
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: dese Just don't be one dimission.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: In five years from now? What do you want people
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: to say about you? I'm the National Football League.
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: Down, the best quarterback in the league, and then I
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: got a chance to be an All Pro every year.
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: I think that's where it starts. And now I'm a winner.
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: So that's what I want people to say about.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: I love it. I love it.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: You can control a lot of that, you know, operation
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: and attitude, approach, you know, practice habits. You got any
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: questions for me?
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: What do you think separates you?
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: And when did you feel like you made that jump
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: when you were in the National Football League.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: I think my mentality and and and my understanding of
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: the game separates me. My understanding of West Coast offenses
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: and and how how concepts are married to each other,
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: how double slants are slat flat, or which concepts are
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: deep over with a double dig or a big post
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: behind it, things like that from playing receiver in college. Yeah,
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: I think I The first game I started against Cincinnati
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: and AJ Green, who was a top six pick in
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: my draft.
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: Come out the suity.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: It was South Carolina, good player, and so we were
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: we were matched up. It's my first game starting. It
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: was like sixth game of the season, and he's obviously
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: top pick, first round. I'm a fifth round nobody starting
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: this first game because we had some injuries and Aj
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: is a super quiet guy in any normal state. From
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: what I understand after that. For some reason, in that game,
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: AJ was talking cash and I don't know why. I
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: don't know why AJ was talking cash. He was on one,
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: and it made me. It put me on one.
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: You have to show it up.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I have to show it. So I booked AJ.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: In that game.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: They throw up a fade. I book AJ. I'm talking cash. AJ,
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: like you, you basically said I didn't deserve to be
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: out here. That's one book boy. You ain't doing nothing.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: And so that moment kind of gave me reassurance that, oh,
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: I could play in this league and I could dominate.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: I'm a guy. I'm a guy in this league. And
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: I end up with four picks that year. The next
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: year I went in with a lot of confidence. Obviously
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: the starter coming in made the All Rookie team, and
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: then second year I had eight picks, First team All Pro.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: Dominated the league that year. I probably I think I
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: gave up forty three percent completion percentage or something on
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: my like ninety targets. I think I gave up thirty
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: something catches. And then the next year I was All
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: Pro again, had eight interceptions, left the league and picks
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: twenty picks in my first three years, and so I
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: think it was my rookie year that that game really
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: kind of reassured me, because I think sometimes everybody has doubt.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: Anybody who says they don't have a little bit of
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: shred of doubt is gonna lie.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest, no doubt.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: But that kind of reassured me that everything I was doing,
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: the work I was putting in, the time I was
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: putting in, the things I was telling myself, I was
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: right that it was worth it.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: It was worth it.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: It was one hundred percent worth it. And I got
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: to the league and they helped They put me in
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: my comfort zone.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: In college, it was so much of like, hey, getting
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: this low stance and do like this and pedal like this,
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: and I'm like, bro, I don't pedal. Well, you know
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: what I mean, Like y'all putting me in a heart position.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: I can't transition out of this, like you know what
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: I mean. I'm not trying to lie to y'all. I'm
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: just my body won't do it. So let me put
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: my butt to this. I'm gonna put my butt to
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: the sideline, and I'm a receiver. I can see the game.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: I'll get to the spot before he gets myself. Yeah,
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: ran them myself, so let me just run. And when
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: they Pete Carroll allowed me to do that. Christ Reshard
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: allowed me to do that. And when they did, my
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: game just flourished, blossom.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was it. It's great. Three times. That was
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: a great question, by the way.
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: No, No, I appreciate you. You know, I like watching
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: all your old stuff too, though. It's all the bells
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: and all those things and pressed men and obviously you
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: know coach White got all the cut up, so right
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: righte it. We won't stop seeing it every year. Like
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: the other day, I think somebody took like a ty step.
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: It was like, no, it's a six inch stell right here,
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: it's a sixth and it's predetermined.
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: It's predetermined. We don't we don't even look at them.
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: Don't even listen to the snap. It's predetermined.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: Off his bad leg, mom, it's pretdetermined all for any movement.
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: Y y'all watching the back leg, watching and watching the
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: back leg.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: That's interesting. That's interesting because Revis Revis used to we had.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: A good discussion about this too, because people think because
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: you got some you know, I mean, because you're competitive
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: you don't never talk. We do.
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: He watched the knees. I was like, how are you
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: watching the knees? I be the first flint stough. You
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: can't go nowhere right.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: But he's watching them through the concept.
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: Said do what different? Previously different? Different, dud totally different.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: I watched the bottom of the numbers. I watched the
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: if it's if it's two numbers right between them, if
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: it's if it's just one. I just watched the bottom
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: of the number. Wherever that That's where I'm at with it.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: That's space, but it's it's many ways to skin and chicken.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: Everybody does it differently. But as long as you can
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: be patient and you can sit in there and you
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: give yourself, how much distance do you have impressed?
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: I give it about one and a half, about one
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: and a half.
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: That's why I'm going with now.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: Perfect How long did it take you to get comfortable?
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: In one and a half.
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: You take a little minute now, because you gotta trust
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: yourself in that thing. You gotta learn to sit in ure,
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: sit in there, sit in there, trusted, trust.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: It, and don't let your feet be dead.
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: Don't let them be dead. That's why you got that
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: predetermined movement. That's why you are should be moving.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: You could coach your baby. Yeah, that's that's That's exactly
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: where I said. I'm at one and a half. And
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: in the league, these Z receivers sometimes you end up
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: at three. Exactly, you at three, these boys checking, I'm like, wait, boys,
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: that's still running back, right.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: But hey, when he when he come, when he get
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: into the lawn, you still got to deal with me.
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: You got to stay there, right.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: That's awesome, man, that's awesome. But again with with with picks,
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: it's habits. It's habits, I promise you it's habits. It's walkthroughs.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: Want to want to walk through be the be, be
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: the dude. People get mad at in walk throughs exactly,
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: like because that's your habit. Like, hey, this is how
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: I practice. I practiced like this one hundred percent of
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: the time. I'm not letting you catch it in walk throughs.
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: I'm not letting you catch it in practice. I'm not
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: letting you catch it in the game exactly. And if
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: you get upset with that because I'm working on my craft,
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: it's something's.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: Wrong with you. You don't want the team to get.
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: That's reality.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: That's reality.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: And so when we walked through and we're preparing for
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: the game, and this scout team in front of us,
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: and I know, okay, bang, they gave me dig indicator
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: number two one away ones running a dig Bang, I break.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: I checked my indicator one more time. Bank balls coming book.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: Thanks getting in toss to the coach like cool practice.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: They gonna give you the same play exactly indicator dig
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: break book. Then you look up in the game, Wait
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: that dig indicator dig check it again.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: Ball coming here, money six. That's if you can get
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: if you can get jiggy with it. I don't know
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: what how jiggy you are be saying.
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: I could fly. I could fly. I'd be good. I
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: can fly.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: I believe it. I believe you got anything else from me.
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: That's really you know. I'm a big fan, so I
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: appreciate you.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: I appreciate you too, brother, brother. I wish you nothing
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: but the best. I hope you go top ten.
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: But either way it goes no matter if you go
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: first round or fifth round. Like myself, it's gonna be
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: on you and your work ethic to make it happen.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: That's just the beginning of your journey.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: It ain't the end. It ain't the I've a ride.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: You ain't a ride till you hang them cleats up
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: and let it go, and then you'll be like, that
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: was a pretty cool rot.
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: No doubt.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: Is that coach White?
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: Now that's ry blah.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: Okay, okay. I couldn't see him, but I can only
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: see the back of his head.
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: I was like, wait, now he's coming back here in
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: a minute. He come back in a minute.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: I appreciate you joining me, brother. I won't hold up
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: anymore of your time. Good luck with everything, and I'm here.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: If you ever name me that I appreciate you appreciate it.
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: No