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176: Sister Wives Rewind - Polygamist Debt Threat (S5 E1) · Reality TV Cringe

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into the Kashik Brown Records. We are going straight into season five, episode
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one. We're gonna be talking about money and credit and Robin building fires in
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there is a little bit of Sister Wives gussy gossip. It's not gossip,
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it's a fact. Yeah, Janelle Brown has purchased a piece of land in
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North Carolina. She spent two hundred and eighty nine thousand dollars. Wow.
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It is designated for agricultural use. But in North Carolina you can also have
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a homestead. Sure, so she could put her casita right on it.
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Maybe she is and have a flower farm and do the whole nine yards,
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which is great. I guess it's her name and also Maddie and Caleb's name.
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Interesting so maybe a family plot, yes, or maybe like a part
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time home. Maybe she's going to be a snowbird type of thing. I'm
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not sure. All I know is that too many tacos. Tony Padrone on
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his Patreon with Mackelte was the one who divulged that Janelle is already living in
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North Carolina. Oh. Interesting, and we know that McKelty is also moving
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to North Carolina. Oh wow, you didn't know. I didn't. I
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guess we didn't talk about it last Maybe we didn't be thought, Yeah,
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she's moving to North Carolina. And on her Patreon she said I need to
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get away from the drama. Oh, and I think she said it on
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the heels of saying that she moved to Christine when Christine left Cody because they
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wanted to be a support but now Christine has all the support that she needs
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and we need to get away from this motherfucker drama. So she referencing drama
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as in Christine and David. I don't know, I think so kind of
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actually, my god, unless it's drama around Robin and Cody. Yeah,
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because as we know, Cody didn't call her for her birthday, and we
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all wonder, like, how's Cody treating Michelte, who was kind of the
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last one standing trying to stay in his good graces, but after last season,
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like how is he treating her? Well, maybe he's treating her like
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shit, probably, and maybe she's ready to go. Maybe, I mean
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that's great, Maybe you finally woke up to your dad being a total piece
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of shit. Yeah, like the rest of us. I mean, hello,
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we've all have that knowing. Yeah. So Janelle is apparently already living
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in North Carolina. Good for her. And I was reading on the subreddit
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and now this is just complete conjecture. I am not stating it as fact.
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We're not trying to spread misinformation. We're just bad about ideas things that
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might have happened. But someone was saying on the subreddit that Janelle, either
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Janelle or Janelle and Cody were the beneficiaries of Garrison's military life insurance policy to
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the tune of five hundred thousand dollars. WHOA. Somebody else dropped beneath that
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comment and said that Cody was trying to fight Janelle for his share of that
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money. Somebody else dropped in and said, how the fuck do you know
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that. Please don't be saying things that are not actually happening in this family,
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because somebody's gonna take it and start broadcasting it, like talking about me.
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But did get me wondering like Garrison probably did put his mom as his
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beneficiary. He didn't have a wife. I don't even think he had a
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girlfriend. And so maybe some of that money is what helped her to purchase
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a place where she can finally live, which I think Garrison would have really
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really wanted to do. That's really sweet. Cody is really being that big
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of a piece of shit and trying to fight Janelle for it. Then,
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Fuck, it's pretty cut and dry, like whoever the beneficiary is is the
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one that gets the money. But like if he had Cody and Janelle as
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the beneficiary, I would be I hope not. Yikes, I hope not.
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But yeah, I mean, we're just talking about facts that have not
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talking at our ass been entered into evidence. Yeah, this is just what
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I saw on Reddit. So don't come at me, bro, just starting
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to share what I know. But Janelle is in North Carolina. I think
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she got one hundred and eighty nine acres. Wow, or one hundred and
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eighty or one hundred and sixty acres. That's great. For eighty nine,
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that's awesome. Maybe we should we should go to North Carolina. We should
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start a home. We want to go there. We should start a cold
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we'd be great at that. I mean, our cold would be cool.
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Yeah, it would be a raccoon dumpster great. Yeah, so much booze
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and weed. Did we have Midsummer No, not like that, Beatrice,
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not like that at all. I just watched that the other day. It
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was really good. Yeah, scary, it's pretty disturbing. Do they have
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legal weed in North Carolina? I don't know do they? I think there
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are red states. Maybe we're coming to North Carolina. So that's all the
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gossip that I have. Wow. So let's now get into season five,
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Episode one of Sister Wives, entitled Polygamist, Debt Threat, Debt Debt.
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I was gonna say death threat. I got myself death threat, debt threat,
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debt threat. Yes, this is a good break. And we got
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into some coin information. You know, that's what we love. I eat
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it up. It's so tasty. Yes. So, if you guys recall
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from season four, everybody's trying to get the cul de Sac homes and it
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was in question of whether or not they were going to qualify for financing,
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and so this episode is kind of all about that. They've been trying to
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clean up their debt, namely Robin and Janelle apparently, but it's mainly Robin
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and try and getting everything in sore in order before they qualify for confident,
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right, a pre approval, So it's not even your final qualification, it's
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the pre approval. Yeah, and everybody's worried about it. Yeah, because
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Robin's goot some big debts because she chose to make peace when she left Preston,
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her first husband whatever, and so she agreed to take all of the
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debt just so that she could get out of the marriage and walk away free
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and clear doubt. But she then proceeded not to pay any of those debts
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that she took on herself for peace, which is interesting. And so now
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she is on a quest to get her credit rating up to six hundred.
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Yeah, so it must have been in a shitter. That's bad. Yeah,
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she's got credit in the fives. If that what's your credit AUP?
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It's pretty good. I get credit, excellent credit, excellent credit. Me
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and your daughter both have excellent credit. That's good. Keep it that way.
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But Janelle and Robin, they don't got a good credit, honey,
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No they don't. But Janelle's got kind of a raisin because she's paying for
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this whole ass family well, and she probably declared bankruptcy and it's probably existing
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in that record too, because I think it's on your record for like ten
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years or something like that. Seven to ten years. Yeah. But we
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begin this episode with Christine talking about how she's now having to be in charge
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of her bills. She's paying all of her bills because Janelle used to do
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them, so now she has to do it, which is interesting. It
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is interesting, and I was wondering why they were inserting this particular scene because
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she's at her little desk and she's writing checks and she's talking about how she's
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just so bad at it and she never really had to take care of herself,
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but because she has her own house in Vegas, now she's got to
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be an adult. Yeah, I'm like, Christine, get yourself together.
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Yeah, but we it kind of makes sense later in the episode when we
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get to the pre approval process, yeah, because it's totally a producer thing,
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trying to get everybody to be like, oh, or any of these
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wives gonna qualify? Oh no, but we know what the end is.
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And then we have Robin visiting her her lawyer, talking about her credit report
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and how it needs to be fixed right, and so the lawyer is taking
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a look and she's like, yeah, this is bad. You've only got
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thirty days to bring it up to the level where you can pre qualify for
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these loans. And maybe if we send you off to a debt specialist,
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maybe they can help you work with some of this. Maybe not all of
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it, but maybe we can fix some of it. Yeah, big yikes.
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Yes. And then we have Janelle visiting a model home because she's trying
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to see where she can cut costs because of course, Janelle's the only one
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that has to sacrifice her wants and her needs, even though she's got a
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bass family, but Mary has to have her web bar and her deck.
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So well. I appreciated this because Janelle is starting to get into the history
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of the family and she says that historically it's been her and Cody that have
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been the bread winners for the family, and it has been difficult in the
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past when she's the one out there generating all of the money to pay for
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the household stuff. To then have some wives and she does name Mary like
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then say oh I want to buy this, or oh I'm going to get
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that, because out of Janelle's wages, Mary gets an equal portion, which
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has got to hurt if you've got six kids of your own, Mary's got
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one kid, and Mary's like, give me my share, Yeah, give
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me my portion. I deserve it. I can see how that would start
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to chap Janelle's high. Oh, that would make me so bitter. And
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I don't know how Janelle has bit her tongue for all of these years and
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just kind of rolled over and dealt with it. I'm sure this is why
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Janelle and Mary had a lot of conflict early on in their relationship when they
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came on as wives. I'm sure that's why they hated each other for a
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lot of years, because Janelle had this animosity, and then Christine comes in
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and has all these kids herself, and so she's having to, you know,
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support Christine and Mary and Mary's expensive ass taste. And like I said
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last episode, I get it. We shouldn't be having Mary live in a
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fucking shack with Leon and just be like, yeah, because you only had
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one kid, you don't get all this resources. I understand, but I
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don't know if you should be getting equal in terms of like you get a
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big, giant house and all of this stuff. Well, and let's go
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back to Lehigh, Like, why is Janelle generating the majority of the income
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for the family. And then doing all of the record keeping. Huh,
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all of the bill paid? What the fun managing the finances? Mary?
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What the fuck are you doing? Mary? Why aren't you working and earning
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a wage equal, if not better than, what Janelle does. Because Janel's
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got six kids, You've got this one child. The child presumably at some
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point gets into school. Yeah, so you got all this time. And
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I know that Mary did have a job. I think she worked with I
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thought it was a part time job. Like, why isn't Mary working?
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Is this part of the whole. I'm the first wife. I don't have
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to work, but I get the lion's share. I don't know. I'm
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just making presumptions. But if I were marry, especially and I said this
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last week, I would be making sure I'm contributing at a level that entitles
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me to take the fair share or equal share, because if I'm not,
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I feel bad about myself exactly. And if Janelle's coming to me and saying,
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my kids need to eat, and I need to make sure we have
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money so all of our kids can eat, if I was married, I'd
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be like, cool, I don't need all of this shit, Then get
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me a one bedroom whatever, and I will deal with it for a bit
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while we get our finances in order, and it'll be fine. Because Janelle
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literally says, these were times where Mary was demanding all of this shit that
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she felt like she was owed with no income that she's bringing in. When
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their finances were quote desperate. This is when they first got to Vegas.
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I mean, so when they first got to Vegas, their finances we assume
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were bad, terrible. And so when Mary is saying, well, I
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want a house with three bedrooms and two baths, and I want to have
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a pool, and I deserve it, this is what gets Janelle mad.
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But I'm going all the way back to Lee High. That's what I'm saying
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in Lehi though. What was Mary doing? Why weren't you working full time?
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Why weren't you getting an education so that you could have a job at
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a level that you could support this whole fucking family Because you only have one
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kid and that kid is in school, So why aren't you shouldering that burden
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when Janelle has six kids? I mean, now, at least do the
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fucking finances. At least do the budget. How can we see that Janelle's
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kids are hungry or that she's just trying to put together, like meals to
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write your kids, kick in some grocery money. It's just you and Leon.
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Oh. Now I get it. Everybody's upset at Mary. Oh.
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A lot of people don't like Mary. And we're gonna get to the wet
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bar and we're gonna get even angrier. But I can one hundred percent identify
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with Janelle here, oh for sure. And Janelle while she's doing all this
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bookkeeping now in this episode and she's talking about their history and she's like,
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now, I understand because last on the season finale, this was the first
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time Mary really verbalized her feeling about it, and she doesn't want to feel
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penalized. I totally understand her perspective. You know, I'm just stressed and
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I'm dealing with a lot. And then she talks about I wonder what would
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happen if I just ran away mm hmm and left everything, and I'm like,
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yeah, yikes. I feel really bad for her. But she's so
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self sacrificing that she's willing to do this for her family because she loves them
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and she has a responsibility to them. She has all these kids and she's
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helping raise Christine and Lee Christine's kids and Leon, so like, I get
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it, but consider this scene. She's going with Mona into the model house
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to try and find things that she can cut out of her house. So
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she's like, maybe I don't need a dining room even though she has six
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children, Like maybe we could all just have an eat in kitchen, because
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she's trying to cut corners because she's trying to make that money stretch. Meanwhile,
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we've got Mary over her here in her four thousand square foot home is
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thinking about decks and pears and wet bars, and so it isn't fair,
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and she says this in the episode, so it's like fundam mentally unfair.
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But them's the brakes, and this is we've decided a long time ago that
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we should all have equal shares, and so that's what it is. Well,
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and now at this point, it's just in Janelle's income, right,
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because Cody's not working unless he's doing his weird MLA. I think they're doing
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network marketing. That's why he has his little lexus and his sports correct,
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yes, but I don't think he's like making a lot of money, doesn't
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I don't know. And then let's be honest, they have TLC and whatever
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money they're making, and they're starting to make more money, which is probably
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what gives them the leverage to buy the homes in this season, so the
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financial landscape is shifting. I think Janelle doesn't need to be so intense about
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it because the money is starting to come in. But I could see how
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she was intense in Lehigh. I can see how she was intense when they
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moved to Vegas. I can see why her kids were like, why does
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Mary get all this and we don't even have food? What's up? Like?
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What the fuck? I would be turning heads. I would be so
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pissed if I was Janelle. I don't know how I think Janelle was.
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I think Janelle was pissed, so she's probably telling Cody. And remember Cody,
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just one year previous melted down his wedding ring to Mary, so he's
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angry too. He's a very angry and symbolic thing to do. So I
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think a lot of people are actually mad at Mary, and I think she's
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going to make it even worse for herself as we continue on in the Cold
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Journey. I can't wait till we get to the web Park conversation. But
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stop my God, and then we kind of shift gears in the episode and
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we have a foot of shit for my sister wives closet. I don't care.
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And it was really cringey because Cody is trying to fight whether or not
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he should be in the photos. Right, He's like, well, this
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is for sister wives or for women, like the jewelry is all for women,
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Like why am I standing in the middle of this picture? And what
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I thought was interesting was how Christine just snapped at him. Uh huh.
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She's like, I don't care, I'm sweating. Just get in the photos.
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We already agreed, but you could really kind of get a snapshot of
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the kind of nagging and sniping that Christine probably does to Cody when they're alone,
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which is contributing to him not really wanting to spend a whole lot of
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time with her, Like she was kind of mean about it. Sure,
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But on a flip side, why are we having this discussion in front of
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the photographer that you booked for this photo shoot? Like if you're trying to
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change your mind midway through the photo shoot and trying to discuss this stuff,
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this is a photographer's valuable time, Like you don't need to be having this
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discussion. Just take the fucking photos and you'll decide later. Like, I'm
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totally like Christine, but I'm also like Ari's moon. I'm kind of fiery,
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right, like, can we get this shit together? Yeah, It's
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just like, we don't really need to have this conversation. We can take
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some with and some without. Just get it out. But I also thought
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it was kind of weird how he didn't want to be associated with like all
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four of the women. He's like, I don't want to look like I'm
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some pimp or I don't want to look like I'm some woman. Yeah,
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I'm not one of the women. I'm a man, not gay. Yeah.
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And Christine's like, well, behind every woman there with a website,
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there's the no, not really, I've got my own website and the freaking
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man behind that, Like, what are you talking about? Christine. She's
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such a toddler. She really is so emotionally immature. She's done. One
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thing I noticed in this particular segment was when they were on the couch talking
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about My Sister wives closet and the photo shoot. This is when Janelle says,
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and yeah, when it comes to fundamental fitness, which is her idea
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for a gym, which she really wants to do. She says, we've
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decided to put that on the back burner because the costs the overhead were just
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too much. And then Robin pop pipes in and says, yeah, like,
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my Sister Wives Closet is all online, so we can afford it.
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So you can see how just in the last few months, Janelle has had
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to forsake her dream a Robin's yeah again, a constantly sacrificing for this family
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and just rolling over and dealing with it because she's not strong enough within herself
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to be like, no, I want a new fundamental fitness. Yeah.
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Well, it does cost a lot of money, and it is a dumb
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idea though. Yeah, I mean, it wouldn't cost that much if they
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weren't having to pay for all of these homes, you know what I mean.
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Yeah, they probably could afford it at this time. But they've got
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that sweet sweet check from TLC, so yep, and we have to do
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My Sister Wives Closet because it's going to be such a booming business. It's
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going to be a success. Beatrice, Oh, I can't wait. Hearts
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on, hearts on hearts. It's so good ballsack hearts, that's right.
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And we have some weird scene with Maddie talking about how she doesn't want to
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be a polygamist, and she's not drinking. She's going on on the strip
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and they're doing that flying through the air thing that you can do in Vegas.
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And she's got two friends who are pretty wholesome and they're not drunks,
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and so they're not messy girls, and so she enjoys having authentic friends and
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I don't care. I don't care either. The most important part was those
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girlfriends asking her whether she would ever be a polygamist, and she's like,
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absolutely not. I would not share my mind never, Like, out of
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all of us, it would be Leon. Leon's the one who might do
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that. But she He also says that Cody and Janelle give them the freedom
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to select their own belief their own faith, their own religion. Yeah,
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which is awesome. That's like the one thing that the Browns did, right,
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I guess, is give their kids that freedom. And then we have
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a weird segment at Robin's house where we meet her sister for the first time,
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Tara Elise or something, Tarah Leise and she apparently babysits her kids,
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which I thought was fucking weird because I'm like, you have these sister wives,
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why can't Christine or Mary watch your kids? Do you not trust them
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to watch your kids? Do they not want to? Though? Maybe,
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like Mary, you want to be such an ingrained member of this family with
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equal resources and equal steak. Why aren't you helping with Robin's children? Maybe
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Robin doesn't want her to, maybe Mary doesn't want to. But Tara Leise
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is actually living with Robin. Huh. And Robin says, if we get
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these houses, Tara Lise is gonna move and she's gonna live with me there.
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And I think Tara Lease is the nanny, right, I guess of
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what does the NET do fame? Well, no, I think that's another
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nanny that they hire. But I think that Tara is still involved in their
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family. I feel like there was a photograph of her in a minivan with
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the kids or something, driving them around. I think Tara's still involved.
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You guys so weird? Correct me? Yeah? Lets no, yeah,
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But I just think it's weird because I could see it where Mary's like,
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no, I'm too busy, I can't watch her kids, But Christine,
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I feel like, would be totally fine to do that, right, And
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we learn in later episodes, like in the last few seasons, Christine's like,
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well, she never wanted me to help. She never wanted her children
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around me. So, yeah, that's weird. Why why do you think
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because Robin hates Christine. I don't think Robin likes any of them. No,
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I don't think Robin wants to integrate, not one bit. No,
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not at all. She wants her own home and to fuck Cody. So
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why do you need a nanny though? Like I could understand if you told
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me. Yeah, my younger sister needs a place to stay, and so
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I figured she could stay with me. You know, Cody's not here every
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night, like I see him once every four nights, and so we have
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out and she helps me with my kids versus she's my nanny. Yeah,
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why do you need a nanny? Well, Cody and Robin are dayton and
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fucking so they need time to do that, I guess, so without the
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kids. And then we have Cody and Robin going to a debt set specialist
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to talk about all of her debt the Victoria's Secret bullshit, which was interesting.
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We have the debt specialist who's putting on a performance for this company.
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But he's like, yes, this particular debt is in collections. It's four
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thousand dollars. You cannot have anything in collections over one thousand dollars. Girls,
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you are not going to get a home loan. But we were able
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to resolve this for you. Come and visit my company. Yes. What
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I found interesting, though, was the subsequent conversation that Robin has with Cody
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on the couch, in which she talks about how it was that she inherited
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this debt from the marriage, and she says that she just wanted to have
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peace, She wanted to get out of the marriage, and so she took
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the debt. She lived with her mother after that for like nine months until
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she could get her own apartment. Robin says, she was a working single
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mother and she didn't have one cent one dollar to put toward any of the
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debt or the collections. So then why did you take them? Though?
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Yeah, why did you agree to take them? There must have been another
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reason you had to take them. Maybe it's because it was your victorious secret
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guard. I don't know. Maybe it was your own debt from your shopping
23:22
problem that you have. I don't know. That's just a guess. But
23:25
then I wondered to myself, Beatrice, Okay, say that's all true.
23:30
That's two thousand and eight when you got divorced, and then you didn't pay
23:32
it. And now we're in twenty and thirteen or two thousand and twelve,
23:34
fourteen, whatever year it is. You've been on this show for four seasons.
23:40
We are on our fifth season. You couldn't have been paying it at
23:42
all. Any of these bills that are in collections. Well, no,
23:45
because she's not working, because Janelle's having to scrape by, how is she
23:49
making a five thousand dollars earnest money payment? I don't know. Because it's
23:55
Janelle's money, it's not her money. Doesn't come from her account. And
23:59
that's the other thing. If you're living with your mom for nine months after
24:00
the divorce and you're saving money, why aren't you putting any money down to
24:04
pay your debt off? Because when my parents got divorced, my dad had
24:08
to go live back at home and he lived with his grandma, and he
24:11
was paying shit off because he was broke. I mean hello, And when
24:17
my stepdad got divorced from his wife. He assumed all of the debt to
24:21
keep the peace, to actually keep the piece because his ex wife was fucking
24:25
insane and it was like hundreds of grand a hundred I think it was like
24:29
one hundred and thirty grand of debt. It was bad, yeah, but
24:32
he had to pay it. There was no way he could avoid it.
24:34
So we were scraping by for a while because he was having to pay off
24:37
this debt, but he wasn't letting it go into collection. Listen, I'm
24:41
willing to give her the benefit of the doubt that has a single mother with
24:45
three children, even living with her mother, like eking out a living,
24:48
working wherever you're working with no education, Like it's not a lot of money.
24:52
You got to feature kids and put clothes on their bodies, of course,
24:53
Like maybe you can't make those extra payments, but by the time you
24:56
run into the brown uh huh, you know, and you're wearing the these
25:00
nice clothes, you're wearing these nice shoes, these like she wears high quality
25:03
clothes in season seventeen, sixteen eighteen, Like she has a if anybody has
25:08
expensive taste, it's actually Robin totally in her mcmagin. Why weren't you paying
25:14
these bills? Are you trying to fuck over Preston your ex husband, or
25:17
are you just one of those people that you say you're ashamed to be associated
25:21
with. She's like, I'm you know, I don't like the stigma of
25:23
people who are in collections, and I have a lot of shame because people
25:26
just think you're lazy. And I'm like, huh, that's an interesting statement.
25:30
Were you. Yeah, why haven't you made any payments toward any of
25:33
this in the last two and a half years. You could have even one
25:37
hundred dollars a month, You could have paid that off, oh for sure.
25:40
Yeah, and you could have done debt consolidation way sooner, a long
25:42
time ago, Like they can do that. It's not that it's not that
25:45
hard. But I don't know. Something shady about all of that. I
25:49
think she's totally lying. I think it's totally it was all for Victoria's secret
25:52
dead. Yes, she just didn't want to deal with it. And I
25:56
think maybe I dare say one of the sister was calling her lazy for being
26:00
in collections. I wonder if Janelle was like, you're lazy ass bitch.
26:06
Maybe Christine I don't know. I know I'm calling her, I'm calling lazy,
26:11
retroactively lazy, because I mean, that doesn't make any sense. It
26:14
doesn't make any sense. Either, you have extra money, you're living in
26:17
a nice house, you have a fucking nanny. You could have been paying
26:19
these debts, I don't understand you, yep. Or you could have done
26:22
debt consolidation way sooner. Or you could have taken out a personal loan and
26:26
could tell there's a lot of ways rid of it instead of just letting it
26:30
go to collections for four years. But do you see how invested she is
26:33
in telling the lawyer, the debt specialist, and then everybody from the couch
26:37
how she did this as a sacrifice so that I could keep the peace and
26:41
I could leave because we were living in terrible conditions. I don't buy a
26:45
bit of that. I'm sure you were living, you know, in poverty
26:48
probably. I'm sure you and your husband at the time weren't making a lot
26:51
of money. I'm sure that's true, But I'm not buying this bullshit from
26:55
you. One then, the other thing with the debt consolidator was saying was
26:57
that you're a ghost. You don't have good credit because you had three different
27:02
last names in the last few years. Why did you have that? And
27:04
she's like, oh, that was really an accident. I didn't know,
27:08
so Sullivan, because she introduces herself as Robin Sullivan to the debt special guest.
27:14
I don't know if she's associated with Robin Brown at this time, but
27:17
she's probably associating with Preston's last name. And why am I I'm blanking on
27:23
what I don't care. I know what it is, but so what is
27:26
the other name? Because Sullivan's her stepfather, maybe her first name is her
27:30
biological her father, and I don't know what it is. And we're just
27:33
talking out of our ass. We don't know what we're talking about. And
27:36
she's trying to say that I wasn't trying to evade anything. I wasn't trying
27:38
to run away from anything with those three last names. Why are you saying
27:42
that then, Honey, yeah, I think you were. It's a little
27:45
sketch. I'm a little same thing. It's a little sketch, liar.
27:51
And then we have Leon who is being inaugurated in the National Honor Society at
27:56
their high school, and that is amazing. I want to say I wasn't
27:59
the National Honor Society, were you? And I graduated top ten percent of
28:03
my class. Oh my god, I'm so proud of you. Yeah,
28:04
I was pretty high up in the National That's awesome. Yeah, so I
28:08
was smart. I barely graduated. The only reason I graduated is because my
28:12
math teacher decided to give me a passing grade even though I didn't earn it.
28:15
That's amazing. So dumb. But you're like so intelligent though, all
28:19
self taught after the fact. That's very super dumb. In high school,
28:23
so fucking dumb. I was from oh what e public schools? Yeah.
28:26
I would rather be at the beach for sure, smoking smoking Adobe, yes,
28:30
and getting kissed a little maybe a little. Yeah. So Leon gets
28:37
inaugurated or inducted or whatever the right term is, and then we have this
28:41
scene of Leon, Cody and and uh Mary on the couch. Yeah,
28:47
this was wild. It was a little weird. Yeah, well, because
28:51
I mean, let's keep in mind, Leon's like, I don't know,
28:52
fifteen something at fourteen fifteen, so they're a teenager. They're being dumb,
28:57
they're moody, so it's whatever. But they kind of talk about Mary having
29:03
kids. Well, Mary is talking about Leon going off to college in Utah,
29:07
because it's very important for Leon to go to university in Utah so that
29:15
they can be around other Mormons. A Leon is very indoctrinated at this time
29:19
in the cult YEP, and so Mary is talking about how sad she's going
29:23
to be when Leon finally goes to college, because she's going to be an
29:26
empty nester, and that segues us into this conversation with Leon starting to cry
29:32
because, as Leon says it, they pray every single night that Mary would
29:36
have another baby so that she wouldn't have an empty house. Additionally, Leon
29:41
goes on to say that they think Mary should take Robin up on her surrogacy
29:48
offer because if Mary doesn't, it's taking away from the rest of the family.
29:53
Yeah, which was wild. I had to stop rewind that shit and
29:59
play it again the audacity because at first I'm like, oh, this is
30:03
kind of sweet, the sentiment Leon cares about their mother. Leon wants Mary
30:08
to be happy. But then when Leon says, if you don't do this,
30:12
you're taking away from the rest of us. You're doing damage to the
30:15
family, putting this additional fucking pressure on Mary to either have Robin, carry
30:21
her child, do the IVF or have another baby with Cody. Like,
30:25
wow, that was wild to me. It gave like this feeling of like
30:29
Leon's obviously upset and bitter about being an only child, and that's like a
30:33
very real valid thing. I think a lot of only children feel where they're
30:37
like, why didn't I have siblings? Or like I wish I had siblings.
30:41
Not every only child feels like that. A lot of only children like
30:44
cool, I'm glad that I'm the favorite. I'm glad I'm spoiled. That's
30:47
totally fine. But that's where that's what I was kind of getting at with
30:51
this whole conversation, Like Leon's a teenager, their moody, they're dumb,
30:55
okay, but they're also probably just like bitter and sad that they didn't get
30:59
to have like little siblings in the house all the time with them. No,
31:02
but then you had all the little siblings from Janella and Christie such.
31:06
In the moment, Leon says, those are my real sis exactly, So
31:10
stop being why are you additionally adding this weird pressure on to Mary and making
31:15
her feel guilty for not having children, And this kind of begins our journey
31:22
and that I'm always annoyed with Leon. Yeah, I'm annoyed with McKelty,
31:25
but I'm equally as annoyed with Leon. And from what I remember, because
31:29
again I say, unto you, I picked up this whole series, this
31:32
franchise during the Catfish era and the way Leon treated Mary during that era.
31:37
I mean, although although Mary was fucking full of shit and she wasn't admitting
31:41
what she did wrong, Leon was terrible to marry and I think that was
31:47
for a few seasons that Leon was terrible to Mary, and I think we're
31:51
just starting that arc was a really shitty thing to say, in my opinion.
31:55
Yeah, I agree, and I think in this moment it's just totally
31:57
indicative of teenage and we're all bitches to our parents. I mean, I'm
32:02
sorry, but that's just what teenagehood is. I was a bitch to my
32:06
mom. Yeah, I don't know, but like as a total bitch.
32:08
My daughter would have said that to me, like if she knew that was
32:13
a pain point for me and that I really wish I could have had children
32:15
and that I was worried that I was going to be alone. I don't
32:17
think she would have said, well, if you don't do this thing you're
32:22
taking away from me and the rest of the family. Like I think she
32:23
would have had my back. I think she would have been but Mom will
32:27
come back on the weekends. I love you, you can call me any
32:29
time. Well, but your daughter wasn't spoilt like Leon, I think is,
32:32
and I think Leon kind of has an attitude because of that, especially
32:37
in these later seasons we see I'm like, yikes, yeah, So I
32:40
mean that's like the difference, Like, your daughter was well rounded for the
32:44
most part of it well, and she didn't want me to be hurt exactly,
32:46
and so like what Leon says in this moment is hurtful and pauses Mary
32:51
to actually cry and say again she does not know what she wants and she
32:53
feels pressure, and I felt bad for her, even though I don't like
32:57
Mary. Well. But I will say though I was a bit and I
33:00
when I was a teenager, I said some really hurtful, fucked up shit
33:04
to my mom, like stuff that I knew would hurt my mom. And
33:07
I look back on those moments and I'm like, I really regret that,
33:10
But I also know I was fourteen and going through a lot, and there's
33:15
a lot of change. And that's the other thing too, Like these kids
33:16
were moved from their homes and they're teenagers, so like they're still dealing with
33:21
all of that emotionally, and so they're probably lashing out a lot, Like
33:23
we saw that with Hunter when they moved to Vegas and he was being a
33:27
total dick. Yes, so it's like I'm kind of looking at it like
33:30
that. I'm not excusing Leon's behavior, but it's like it was just like,
33:34
I'm such an unfortunate dig it. Totally, it didn't need to happen.
33:37
It was not necessary any way, especially when Mary loves Leon so much,
33:42
like, come on, but whatever. And then last, but not
33:45
least, we have the adults meeting with Mona to see if they're going to
33:50
all qualify for the homes, which was an obvious producer fake totally. The
33:55
producers clearly told Mona to kind of set the stage, and she does this
34:00
by saying, well, we never really discussed what would happen if three of
34:04
you qualified and one of you didn't. And you know, Robin is immediately
34:08
nervous because she was the one who was having such a problem with her credit,
34:13
although Janelle was too. But we didn't really hear much about that.
34:15
Yeah, but ultimately we learn that they all qualified Robin qualified, so they
34:21
all are well, they're prequalified. Yeah, so they have to keep their
34:25
shit together. And it's funny because in this moment, Christine's like, yeah,
34:29
I forgot to pay my water bill already, and oh my god,
34:30
I forgot to pay these bills and it's totally mean. If we don't get
34:34
this house, it's my ball. Yeah, And I'm just like, Christine,
34:37
why aren't you paying your water bill? Because she forgot about it.
34:39
I'm like, how do you forget about that? But whatever? Yeah,
34:42
if she hasn't been paying all of her bills this whole entire time, it's
34:45
just been Janelle's. So they've been there a year. Yeah, right,
34:46
so I don't understand get it together, Yeah, a full grown person.
34:51
All of these adults are the worst besides Janelle, like in terms of like
34:54
responsibilities and like actually doing adult things. I feel like Janelle pays attention to
34:59
the preicalities of life because if she doesn't, nobody else will and everything will
35:02
fall apart. I don't think she wants to necessarily, it's just it is
35:06
a skill that is born out of necessity because if she doesn't, these dumb
35:09
ass Browns are going to fall apart. Oh that's the worst place. Pressure.
35:15
Can you imagine the pressure she was feeling one year previous when Mary's like,
35:19
I went to pool and She's like, how can I buy enough rice
35:22
to feed my kids? Oh? My god, That's where I would have
35:23
left and been like, I'm taking all my kids. I'm gonna go back
35:25
home live with my parents. And may I remind you that she did that
35:29
one before. Once before she she did Grasses, yep, because of their
35:31
bullshit, and she moved back to Wyoming or whatever or yep. And she
35:37
probably didn't do that because she loved Christine and Christine's kids and Leon like,
35:40
she probably loved all of these kids, so she couldn't just sit there and
35:44
abandon them because they're taking advantage of her financially. But then you're stuck in
35:49
this position of always being taken advantage. Yeah, all the way up until
35:52
season eighteen. Yep, she's been that way well. And at the end
35:57
of season eighteen, you're the only wife who's got no at Janel for all
36:01
of your work and all of your record keep game, for all of your
36:05
information knowing everything about this family, you did not secure your position in this
36:08
family. Now, thank god you were able to purchase a home in North
36:14
Carolina, or not a home, but a piece of property. Maybe you
36:15
can build a home. Maybe you're gonna build your flower business, which I
36:19
think she's interested in doing. And I wish you the best, but like,
36:22
for all of your skills, you should have set yourself up a little
36:25
bit better. Oh god, yeah, I would be so fucking bitter and
36:30
so mad. Like out of all the people that are like posting passive aggressively
36:35
on Instagram, it's just Christine. I'm like, I wish, I wish
36:38
Janelle would just drag Cody and Robin for all their worth, for how she's
36:42
been taken advantage of and financially abused. In the tell all she kind of
36:45
did, she didn't, she didn't like fire and brimstone their asses, but
36:52
she swore she called out counselor Robin. She did reveal some things, but
36:59
I need more as well, and I don't want to take it seems to
37:02
declassa but I'm gonna do it anyway because I am in a dumpster. But
37:05
like, if she got the full beneficiary five hundred thousand dollars, Like,
37:08
I'm really happy if that happened, that Garrison was able to do that for
37:13
her, because again, she was the last wife. She deserved it,
37:15
and that is just such a precious gift, especially if Cody didn't get any
37:20
of it. Oh my god, please, I hope Cody any of that.
37:22
Fuck you. I feel like a piece of shit talking about his life
37:28
insurance though, So move on, And I have no idea of the veracity
37:32
at any of these statements. Yeah, let it not go on said don't
37:36
come for us? Is that it? That's it. That's the end of
37:37
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37:40
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