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What Kind of Men Talk About Women Like This? | Maintaining Frame 155 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome to Honey Badger Radio. My name
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  Speaker 1: is Brian. I'm here with Alison and this is maintaining frame.
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  Speaker 1: This is number one fifty five. What kind of men
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  Speaker 1: talk about women? What kind of men talk about women
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  Speaker 1: like this where we are going to be looking at
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  Speaker 1: a couple of well, they're sort of like sketches by
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  Speaker 1: a pro life YouTube channel called Live Action, and their
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  Speaker 1: cringe and just brace yourself is what I would say.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, So some people have complained that we only
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  Speaker 2: call out the left for its miss injury, but you know,
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  Speaker 2: there is there is a portion of miss injury that
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  Speaker 2: comes from the right with and usually it revolves around
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  Speaker 2: this expectation for men to take leadership when women do
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  Speaker 2: bad things without giving them any means to actually enforce
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  Speaker 2: and in fact aiming them if they do enforce any
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  Speaker 2: kind of standards on women. So that's that's not not
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  Speaker 2: so when women do something bad, it's not women's fault,
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  Speaker 2: it's because men haven't led them properly. I think we've
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  Speaker 2: seen sort of some conservative attitudes towards the situation like that.
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  Speaker 2: be blamed for everything, and that's what we've done so
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  Speaker 2: far on both sides of the aisle, and women can't
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  Speaker 1: All right, So we're gonna be looking at Yeah, let's
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  Speaker 1: watch the first video. It's called what kind of Men
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  Speaker 1: talk about Women like this? Hey?
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  Speaker 3: Man?
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  Speaker 1: Kind of free advice on something?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, sure, So I'm taking this girl out right
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  Speaker 4: first day, you know, steak dinner, come back to my
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  Speaker 4: place open to make it to at least third base,
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  Speaker 4: you know what I mean?
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  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, man, that.
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  Speaker 1: Guy looks like tof for grace. I'm just saying, I like,
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  Speaker 1: just like, all right, I like the guy from that
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  Speaker 1: seventies show. You know, it's weird, like it's not him,
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  Speaker 1: but it looks like him a bit.
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  Speaker 2: So anyway, I just man, Yeah, I just noticed you've
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  Speaker 2: done You've done some styling with your mustache some.
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  Speaker 1: No, no, not really, no way, it grows born with it. No,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't do anything. No, no, I actually meant but
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  Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know I don't even know how
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  Speaker 1: to do that.
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  Speaker 2: Your genetics just naturally go into the into the the
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  Speaker 2: handlebar mustache.
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  Speaker 1: I mean it hasn't quite grown out like that.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, gotcha. No, I just wanted
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  Speaker 2: to say that. Yeah, very fetching, all right, But this
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  Speaker 2: just something about these two and you realize that there's
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  Speaker 2: a lot of women who would judge a man who
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  Speaker 2: didn't attempt to try for something in the first date, right,
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  Speaker 2: like they would consider him gay at this point.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, I think so. But okay, let's keep going.
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  Speaker 5: You want to like find out her hopes and dreams
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  Speaker 5: for her future?
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  Speaker 1: Nice? No, I I just want her to take off.
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  Speaker 5: Take off any masks that she puts on for people
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  Speaker 5: she doesn't feel she can fully trust.
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  Speaker 6: I get it.
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  Speaker 5: You want to like listener or share her heart gets
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  Speaker 5: another real her?
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  Speaker 1: No, So the reason this girl is because she's got
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  Speaker 1: a great Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, well, let's let's finish this. Jonathan has got in
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  Speaker 2: my case, that's my husband about not letting people finish
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  Speaker 2: their thoughts before we respond, although we do have to
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  Speaker 2: be careful, probably for the twenty second rule.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, sure, Okay, it's said a creative ambitions.
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  Speaker 7: Totally also find that's super attractive. That's how I met
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  Speaker 7: my wife.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I.
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  Speaker 5: See, that's it. It's that intellectual curiosity that is such
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  Speaker 5: a turn on.
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  Speaker 6: Totally.
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  Speaker 1: We totally did it too, Gary Steve check this out.
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  Speaker 2: This Okay, Okay, I have to stop now, Brian, It's okay,
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  Speaker 2: I just.
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  Speaker 1: It just it just keeps going like this, where you know,
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  Speaker 1: they mislead you. They make you think these guys are talking,
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  Speaker 1: you know, about women in a sexual way and that
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  Speaker 1: they're like talking about their bodies and how what the
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  Speaker 1: things they would like to do with them, and then
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  Speaker 1: these guys sort of you know, it's a it's a
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  Speaker 1: you know, it's a bait and switch. They end up
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  Speaker 1: talking about their virtues and like their values and these
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  Speaker 1: other things. They're super wholesome things instead. But go ahead,
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  Speaker 1: yeah we're gonna say.
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  Speaker 2: I just had to stop because I think I think
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  Speaker 2: something inside me was going to implode from cringing.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really I think. I mean, I don't want
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  Speaker 1: to speak to it just yet, but I think the
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  Speaker 1: people who make this video, who made this, they either
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  Speaker 1: live in a part of the country that is not
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  Speaker 1: like part of the sort of like you know, like
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  Speaker 1: the I don't know more. Yeah, like they don't live
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  Speaker 1: in that world where like the like in cities, like
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  Speaker 1: in like the urban monoculture as some people call it,
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  Speaker 1: or they have are so like far away from the
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  Speaker 1: dating world. They have no idea what it's really like,
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  Speaker 1: and so they think that essentially what they're trying to
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  Speaker 1: do is they're trying to suggest that men look for
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  Speaker 1: different qualities in women than like they're you know, then
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  Speaker 1: the surface level, that they should like pick them for
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  Speaker 1: different reasons. And of course, well I can get into
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  Speaker 1: what they miss, but we should probably watch the rest
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  Speaker 1: of it before I get into it. But it's just
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  Speaker 1: gonna this is the joke, right, like, well, I want
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  Speaker 1: to get to second base. Oh you mean when you
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  Speaker 1: talk about your hopes and dreams with her? No, I
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  Speaker 1: mean like like you know, she's got a great set
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  Speaker 1: of Oh like what did he say, like you know, principles,
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  Speaker 1: the principles, Yeah, right, commandments. Now they're now they're opening
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  Speaker 1: up like you know, like like a centerfold thing and
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  Speaker 1: they're like, whoa, But you know, you guys can guess
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  Speaker 1: it's probably not what you think it is. So what
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  Speaker 1: what you're supposed to expect.
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  Speaker 7: It keeps getting better the further down you goth.
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  Speaker 1: In your camera? Did the crashed?
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  Speaker 2: Oh did it? Okay?
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  Speaker 1: Oh no, no it's not. It's it's fixed now. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know what well, yeah, definitely no, it's crashed again.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah I did that deliberately. Just let me fix that.
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  Speaker 2: It looks like it just overheated for some reason.
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  Speaker 1: So h two things at once here and somewhere else
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  Speaker 1: because if it's no.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely no, absolutely not, I wouldn't do that. I'm not
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  Speaker 2: that dumb. It's it's only trying to do this and honestly,
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  Speaker 2: voidcat was not even here. There she is now though
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  Speaker 2: maybe she did it psychically. Yeah, let me get this back.
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  Speaker 1: All right.
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  Speaker 2: She was here in spirit and then it all crashed.
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  Speaker 5: Let's keep going, all right, that's a perfect This is
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  Speaker 5: what I'm talking about.
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  Speaker 1: I'll best to love my wife today. Ten reminders Number one. Listen,
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  Speaker 1: it's just words.
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  Speaker 5: How do we resolve?
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  Speaker 1: Pay off credit card? Cleaning, kitchen is for play, make
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  Speaker 1: bed before she does, protect her time, be the man
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  Speaker 1: of her dreams in bed. Eliminate threats to her sense
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  Speaker 1: of security. I am a servant.
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  Speaker 2: I should have I should have I should have played
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  Speaker 2: a game with everyone, because we should have just said,
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  Speaker 2: is this pro life or feminist?
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  Speaker 1: You make that sound like a choice. It's both, it's both.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's this idea. It's this idea that if you,
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  Speaker 1: if you like, are servant to your wife a complete,
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  Speaker 1: in complete service, she might not kill your kids. Like
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  Speaker 1: I mean, that's like I don't know what else to think,
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  Speaker 1: but it certainly isn't. I mean it's it may be
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  Speaker 1: pro life, but it's not conservative in my opinion. Like
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  Speaker 1: this this ship here, I mean, what what is feminism
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  Speaker 1: except all of the stuff on this list? Pay off
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  Speaker 1: her credit card, clean the kitchen's foreplay, make bed before
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  Speaker 1: she does, protect her time. I'm you know, eliminate threastword
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  Speaker 1: sentence of security like this is this is not at
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  Speaker 1: all leadership. It's not even leadership. It's not even a leadership.
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  Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. You are clueless about this.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they are crueless, but it's like there's no space
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  Speaker 2: in the relationship for him. Well, yeah, whatever her needs are.
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  Speaker 2: And I don't know, that's a really bad position to
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  Speaker 2: negotiate from. There is no position to or negotiate, Like
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  Speaker 2: where do you go from? There except complete subjugation. All right,
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  Speaker 2: And this is like I said, this is yeah, I'm
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  Speaker 2: sorry that I think these people would not regard themselves
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  Speaker 2: as feminists. They probably wouldn't say.
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  Speaker 1: Well, sure, I mean I got something I can show
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  Speaker 1: you a little bit later now will demonstrate that people
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  Speaker 1: who call themselves conservatives are still feminists. Like we've been
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  Speaker 1: saying this forever. So the quote conservatives end quote of
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  Speaker 1: today are feminists from twenty thirty years ago. That that
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  Speaker 1: that's that means that they're they're basically the same. The
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  Speaker 1: only difference is that maybe they're just not as intersectional,
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  Speaker 1: but they still believe in the whole all of the
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  Speaker 1: baseline narrative stuff. They're still embedded in modernity.
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  Speaker 2: Mm hmmm. I would say that it's speeding up. They're
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  Speaker 2: now the feminists from like ten years ago.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, perhaps, Yeah, that it's kind of hot normal. That's
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  Speaker 1: how normalization works.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it just gets.
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  Speaker 1: And I wouldn't be surprised if if this may have
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  Speaker 1: even started in earnest and it just got infiltrated because
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  Speaker 1: that like the you know, these people subvert everything. They
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  Speaker 1: they subvert churches. They did that first, so you know, naturally,
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  Speaker 1: like uh, this kind of thing is like, it's not
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  Speaker 1: It's like we're essentially seeing every aspect of our society
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  Speaker 1: contract this cancer, and it's in various different stages. And
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  Speaker 1: people are pointing at all the various patients of cancer
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  Speaker 1: and acting like they're different, like they're they're somehow different
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  Speaker 1: from each other when they all have the same sickness.
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  Speaker 1: They're just in different stages. So this group is obviously
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  Speaker 1: like hit with the feminism cancer like it and it's
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  Speaker 1: just like, you know, stage three instead of stage four.
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  Speaker 1: I mean that's what I think anyway, but just based
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  Speaker 1: on because I watched both well, I watched this video.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if I watched the other one. I
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  Speaker 1: may have started the other one, but this one is
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  Speaker 1: all like under the well, should we finish it? Because
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  Speaker 1: I could. I don't want to talk too much before
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  Speaker 1: we see that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, let them let them finish their their thoughts.
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  Speaker 5: But with chancellness and humor.
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  Speaker 8: And that's that's great.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, that's just wisdom right there.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 1: I always look at this after we work out, just
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  Speaker 1: a great reminder to be thinking of her needs instead
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  Speaker 1: of my own.
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  Speaker 7: You know, when we work out, it's not just a
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  Speaker 7: chance to improve our bodies, but ourselves as husbands will
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  Speaker 7: fall us.
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  Speaker 1: This is the weirdest blocker room. I go, hey, man,
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  Speaker 1: how you doing? Can I ask you something? Tell me
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  Speaker 1: you're a stud? How many notches you got on your belt?
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  Speaker 1: Like seriously, Guys don't talk about this stuff in locker rooms.
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  Speaker 1: That's another thing I don't get. Like this feels like
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  Speaker 1: it was written by a woman. I mean, I just
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  Speaker 1: that's what I think. I think a woman wrote this,
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  Speaker 1: and he's you know, like that because men they like,
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  Speaker 1: if you talk to a stranger in a locker room,
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  Speaker 1: that's already weird. Like, guys don't do that, I really,
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  Speaker 1: unless they know each other already. That is like, this
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  Speaker 1: is the weirdest it would even if it was the
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  Speaker 1: locker room talk that I guess we are supposed to expect,
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  Speaker 1: which is another reason why I'm pretty sure a woman
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  Speaker 1: wrote this script because women think men are just talking about, like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, women's bodies in locker rooms. And I wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: be surprised if all of this came out of that.
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  Speaker 1: That's that uh what do you call it? That hot
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  Speaker 1: mic thing that you know, the grabb him by the
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  Speaker 1: pussy joke that Trump made Billy Billy Bush and because
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  Speaker 1: because remember when that happened, someone or there was some
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  Speaker 1: defense and I'm not even sure if it's real, because
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  Speaker 1: a lot of times feminists construct these straw man defenses
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  Speaker 1: that men supposedly make and then tear those down. You're like,
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  Speaker 1: what was she wearing? Like that kind of thing. But
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  Speaker 1: there was talk that that was like, you know, locker
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  Speaker 1: room talk, and then like they ran with that, and
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  Speaker 1: now like all locker room talk is that kind of talk,
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  Speaker 1: even though that wasn't even locker room talk because they
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  Speaker 1: were literally on like a tour bus of some kind
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  Speaker 1: when they happened, you know. So but so like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: men don't do that. They don't they don't talk about
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  Speaker 1: women like that in like in locker rooms or anywhere
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  Speaker 1: with dudes. They don't know, Like that just doesn't happen.
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  Speaker 1: Like this is complete fantasy. And then they're taking the
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  Speaker 1: fantasy that doesn't exist, and they're making an inversion of
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  Speaker 1: the fantasy. So this is like a twice removed fantasy.
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  Speaker 1: It's completely delusional, and we're supposed to to watch this
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  Speaker 1: and take something from it when the premise itself makes
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  Speaker 1: no sense because guys don't do that, like, I don't
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  Speaker 1: talk about my wife with anybody like that, like you know,
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  Speaker 1: like if anything, i'd talk to her like you know,
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  Speaker 1: like that, if anything. So yeah, it's just like this
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  Speaker 1: is just like a complete fantasy, any delusions.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, let's keep going on.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, six, Okay, nice, nice for girls? Two boys?
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  Speaker 5: What?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, my wife and I are crazy about these little munchkins.
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  Speaker 1: No, the children are beautiful, That's not what I'm talking about.
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  Speaker 1: What is your body count? Like again, guys do not
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  Speaker 1: ask other guys how many women they've been with like
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  Speaker 1: that just does not. Guys tell me in the child
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  Speaker 1: have you done that? That's just something we don't do.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe women do that with other women. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe that's because that's again women. I
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  Speaker 1: think a woman wrote this. I'm almost positive a woman
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  Speaker 1: wrote this. Guys don't talk about out their body count
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  Speaker 1: with other guys like what, it's fucking weird.
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  Speaker 2: Bro Okay, So I know this sounds really strange, but
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  Speaker 2: I know the guy that's supposed to play the one
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  Speaker 2: that like the sort of quasi villain, I'm actually sort
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  Speaker 2: of sympathizing most with him in this. Somehow, it's like
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  Speaker 2: why are you? Why are you weird? Pod people engaging.
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  Speaker 1: But he's weird too because he's he's like trying to
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  Speaker 1: have conversations with men that he doesn't know about extremely
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  Speaker 1: private things, and and we're supposed to think that he's
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  Speaker 1: the normal one. It's like, no, they're all weird, but
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  Speaker 1: like almost it's.
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  Speaker 2: Like he's there's these aliens, right, he's walked into this
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  Speaker 2: locker room full of aliens. Now he's himself. I could
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  Speaker 2: I could imagine him like being a really sort of
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  Speaker 2: crass because there's some guys who are like that there.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I'm sure he want they want to write him
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  Speaker 1: that way.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there are some guys, you know, like a Quagmar,
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  Speaker 2: you know, that kind of type. And there's some guys
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  Speaker 2: like that, I mean, at least in the fictional setting,
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  Speaker 2: so you can sort of relate to him. So he's
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  Speaker 2: like almost trying to make sense of this really bizarrow
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  Speaker 2: world that we've walked into because and I yeah, again,
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  Speaker 2: I know that they're trying to make a point, but
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  Speaker 2: it's almost like I can relate more to him than
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  Speaker 2: any other guy in this just because they're so.
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  Speaker 1: Weird.
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  Speaker 2: All right, let's let's let's.
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  Speaker 4: Keep going why do you mean to say so, I'd
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  Speaker 4: say about ten to fifteen nice percent body fat, nothing crazy.
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  Speaker 4: But that's how my wife likes it.
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  Speaker 1: Listen, I'm taking this girl out for the first time tonight.
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  Speaker 1: By the end of the night, I want.
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  Speaker 4: To be in deep love, that deep conversation. Yes, none
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  Speaker 4: of that shallows small talk. Look, I used to be
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  Speaker 4: stoked and emotionless, but then I started to let my
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  Speaker 4: guard down. I'd be afraid to be so awkward and vulnerable,
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  Speaker 4: you know.
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  Speaker 1: Ah, so this is totally feminist shit, dude, I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 1: This is absolute feminist propaganda. I think that these people
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: at Live Action just got taken for a ride by
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: a woman who probably went in and said, I want
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: to write sketches for you, and I'm going to write
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: it from a pro life perspective. And it's complete feminist propaganda.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: There's nothing about this, nothing about this that is in
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: any way trad I'm sorry. I know that's what you
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: were going for. I know you wanted to punch right,
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: you want to show people that you're balanced and fair.
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: But this is not that. This is a complete it's
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: not even a straw man. It's completely alien. It's like
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: from somewhere. This is a woman's idea of what she
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: thinks a man should be doing in a locker room
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: to counteract what she also believes men are trying to
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: do in locker rooms. It's complete, complete fabrication from Planet X,
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: and we're supposed to act like this is in any
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: way real. It isn't like it's just not this is
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: this is absolute feminist shit, sorry, but it is. It's
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: like it's like Hannah Cox, you know, the libertarian feminist.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: She comes out and says, here is all my libertarian stuff.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: I believe in free markets, in small government, blah blah
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: blah blah blah. But then the truth comes out when
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: men have opinions online, that's it, just men having opinions,
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: And she immediately turns and becomes like, full big government,
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: full censorship, cancel this fucking guy, and she just does
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: it with the correct rhetoric. That's what this is. This
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: is this is feminist propaganda und live action. Guys are
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: morons for falling for this, but you totally did. And
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: the truth is, I just gotta say this too. What
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: they're trying to do is they're they're trying to make
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: the case that men are the ones that choose virtuous
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: women when that is just not true. Okay, women go
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: for what women want. Women hold all the cards and
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: they can't get that through their thick skulls. Like nobody
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: can understand this. Even feminists presume that, like, you know,
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: guys like Andrew Tate are dangerous because other guys are
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: gonna follow their lead and they're gonna just like use
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: women and discard them, when the truth is only a
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: very small percentage of men could even hope to do that,
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: and most men don't have a chance of doing that
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: even if they wanted to. So like you're you're, you're,
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: you know, fretting over something that is just so incredibly unlikely.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: And that's what this is. Like, Oh, guys, just lead.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: It's like it's fine. It's like, no, that's not that's
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: that's not gonna happen. Like men, women have been liberated. Guys,
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: we have to deal with that. Now we have liberated them.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: That means they're going to be kunts and we're supposed
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: to be okay with it. That's basically what it is. Like,
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: that's it. You know, they got degrees, they have high standards,
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: they want this much money, they want men to be,
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: you know, at this level, they have an overinflated sense
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: of self worth, you know, because they they because there
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: are some simps that give them props online. It doesn't
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: matter how heavy they are, it doesn't matter how what
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: their body count is, because none of those things you
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: can judge. You can't judge their body count, you can't
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: judge their tattoos, their piercings, like whatever it is that
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: they've done. It's impossible that for all women are tens
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: and men they just have to like hope to God
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: that they get chosen. And a lot of men, most men,
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: well not most, but a lot of men are saying,
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: you know what, it's not worth it and they're just
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: wanting okay, and there isn't going to change that. Like so, like,
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: well we should finish the video because I can get
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: into like why this exists. Because I saw this, I
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: went to this U channel. I watched a couple of
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: their other videos because I wanted to see where they
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: were coming from, like like on the whole and it
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: is primarily a pro life thing, but they make this,
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: like they do have some videos that basically, you know,
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: talk about how women ultimately decide whether to have abortions,
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: but they operate under this premise that men tend to
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: pressure women into it, and it's like that may happen,
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: but women ultimately make the choice number one, number two,
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: number two, and more importantly, women choose to get impregnated
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: by men who are more likely to abandon them anyway.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: So why are women doing that? Why are they choosing
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: to have babies with guys that are not fit or
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: to be in a position where they have to get
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: an abortion, Because usually if they're getting an abortion, it's
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: because they didn't want the baby. It's like eighty five
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: percent of the time women get abortions up because they
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: just feel like it, which means it's not because of
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: some oh, you know, health problem. It's not because of
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: some kind of like, you know, destitute situation that the
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: baby is a danger to the mother. It's almost always
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: just out of convenience. It's convenient, I'm gonna do it right,
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: And it's because we told them that this is okay.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: We can't pass judgment and we can always just blame
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: the man for not sticking around. But again, if she
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: got pregnant by a guy who wasn't going to stick
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: around and had no intention of sticking around even and
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: a lot of times women will do that to entrap men.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: They'll get themselves pregnant and then say, now you have
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: to stick around, and the guy will either leave or
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: pressure her into getting an abortion. But you can say
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: that guy is shitty for doing that, and yeah, sure,
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: but she chose to have sex with him, so woun't
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: tell her like how she act going forward.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Yeah, I know, let's finish
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: this off because I think that there is something that
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: makes the right vulnerable to this narrative, and that is
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: the whole idea that men lead and women are not
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: are Essentially, accountability is deflected back onto men for not leading,
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: even though I've seen that there's no social pressure on
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: women to submit or to trust men's leadership. So it's
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: like that you put them men in a cash twenty two.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: They have all the authority, none of the response or sorry,
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: all the responsibility, none of the actual authority to enact
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: what needs to be enacted or what they're being blamed
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: for to end whatever it is. That the negative thing
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: that that is of the point of contention. All right,
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: let's let's just finish this because I would like to
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: get to the second one.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: All right, all right, letter, grab me by the passions.
• 24:50
  Speaker 7: Have you by the Hey, guys, can we huddle up
• 24:53
  Speaker 7: here for a second, come you out here.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: How can we level up for the women in our life?
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: You know, like put them.
• 25:01
  Speaker 6: First, support their needs.
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: Like support them in all of who they are. She's
• 25:05
  Speaker 5: my wife, she's the mother of my children, might die for.
• 25:08
  Speaker 5: She's also got this amazing entrepreneurial spirit. It's just exciting,
• 25:11
  Speaker 5: you know. It's spot Ali.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: Said, come on, dude, this is not trad entrepreneurial spirit.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: There's there. They're basically like living for their women.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: This is just how okay? So the Late infiltrated a
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: pro choice or pro life organization, Well they did.
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: I mean I think that they're maybe they're just throwing
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: everything at the wall to see what sticks. But let
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: me ask you this, Okay, what kind Let's say you're
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: a man. Let's say you're like an Andrew Tate guy.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: You're you're you're like, uh, you know, a top one percent,
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: you know, alpha fox guy. Right, you do whatever you
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: want to women. You could use them. You can leave
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: them stranded at the bus stop and the rain after
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: you've had your weight with them. You can like you know,
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: go in raw and not call back. Whatever. Do you
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: think this ad is going to affect that guy? Like
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: if you can just have women whenever he wants and
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: he uses them for sexual pleasure only, do you think
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: that this ad is going to have an effect on him?
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: Especially if he continues to just have successual success with
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: women Like like, then who is this for? Because like
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: a regular guy doesn't think this way like this, this
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: would have to impugne a great deal of malice on
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: the average man that is just looking for the average
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: woman so that he can get married and start a family,
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: which I think is completely noble to do. But this
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: ad doesn't have a target audience except the woman who
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: wrote it. That's the only person this is for. This
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: is for other women to pat themselves in the back
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: because that same alpha fox guy that I brought up
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: in my example, that's just like I'm just gonna run
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: through all kinds of hoes. I have like everything that
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: they like, everything that makes their nethers tingle, because that's
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: ultimately what they respond to sec and I'm not going
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: to stick around. I'm going to use them and that's it.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: And there's very few men that can do that, very few.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: Even other men who admire that, they generally don't have
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: a hope of being like that. So it's just pretty
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: empty thing that you're investing in and nothing to be
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: concerned over. If you're somebody that like thinks that this
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: is like, you know, something that men need, but like
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: even if that were true, that you could do that,
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: those those women are not going to learn from this
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: because you're not saying anything to them. You're not showing
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: them like, what is it you know?
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we can get to that. I think the
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: next one actually encapsulates that a lot better. Okay, so
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: let's finish this off.
• 27:45
  Speaker 5: All right, hiring for me to say, so, how can
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: I make sure she's got time alone with just me,
• 27:50
  Speaker 5: but also time with her friends, time to kind of
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: reinvigorate and inspire her.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: You know it's powerful. Yeah, it's just the weirdest locker
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: room I've ever been.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: Then, and I'm just looking for some quality advice.
• 28:05
  Speaker 6: How I can bang this check.
• 28:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so you're already thinking about marriage and kids.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: That's awesome.
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: Man.
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: Who kind of men are you? Why are you talking
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: about women like this? Pro life men? See, this is
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: just trying to manipulate men. It's crange, aus fuck man like,
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: I would imagine that pro life men are pretty much
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: defined by or maybe this is an attempt to manipulate
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: pro life men into some sort of position, but I
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: would imagine they're mostly defined by the fact that they
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: consider that the fetus is a life and that abortion
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: is ending a life and that is unethical as opposed
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: to all of this other crap, and that women shouldn't
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: necessarily have the option to do that. Although I think
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: most pro life men do consider it to be acceptable
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: on under certain circumstances or with a with a limit,
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: it is actually women who have the most that it
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: abortion is wrong in every single circumstance.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: So yeah, women are generally more pro life than men.
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: Well yeah, generally men. Men have been told well yeah,
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: those men have been told that they're not allowed to
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: have an opinion on it regardless.
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: So yeah, but it doesn't matter like if men are
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: pro life or pro choice, because they're not the ones
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: making the decisions. They're just ones apparently being blamed for it.
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: Although I'm not exactly sure, I guess they're trying to
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: capture the concept, the ethical concept of when life begins,
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: and say, if you're a man who thinks that it
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: begins at conception or at six weeks or whatever, at
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: the heartbeat, then you should act like this towards women.
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: Or alternatively, what I was thinking is maybe they're making
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: the framework, creating a framework in which they are blaming men,
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: or they're establishing how we blame men for something that
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: is solely driven by women. I mean, this is definitely
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: definitely some ideological capture going on here, and I'm not exact.
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: I don't think that this will reduce the rate of abortions.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: I just don't, obviously not. But the way, we got
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: a super we got a super chow earlier today before
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: the show from Pepito, gives us twenty five dollars and
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: it just says thanks for the shows. I don't know
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: if that was thank you Pepito. I can't I can't
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: put it on the screen. I don't know if that
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: was meant to be something else, like maybe he was
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: supposed to put it in the fundraiser, but but I
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: just thought I would read it out really quick while
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: I was there.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: So, yeah, the commercial is deeply gay, all right, So.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: I wanted to look at it's definitely feminine. It's definitely feminine,
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: but go ahead.
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there was like some some interesting comments too, but
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: that was on the second one. Yeah, actually the second one.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: But before we get into it, I just want to
• 31:13
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• 31:26
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• 31:28
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• 31:53
  Speaker 2: let's let's go to the second one and I'll try
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: to find those comments that I found earlier that I
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: thought were heard really telling.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: All right, here we go. Second one. It's also a sketch.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: I don't know if I watched this one, but let's
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: let's give it a play.
• 32:09
  Speaker 6: This is a historic moment.
• 32:11
  Speaker 5: Abortion rights are under attack in America, and it's important
• 32:14
  Speaker 5: for all of us to raise our voices because abortion rights.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I remember, I remember this one. This one's worst. Okay,
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: all right, let's yeah. I think you guys, let me
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: let me see before we get to this. Oh you
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: know what I think before we get to this, before.
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: We get you know what this is. I think they're
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: using gynocentrism to sell being pro choice to women by
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: saying that it's pro pro pro pro life to women.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: Pro life men are the ones who respect women.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: Yes, they're using yes, Yes, that's.
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: Literally what they're doing. They're saying to women, pro life
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: women are the ones who respect women. So if you
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: want to be respect as a women, you must go
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: pro life.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that men who are pro life respect women
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: better than men who are pro choice. But it comes
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: down to the same thing. Yes, it's ginocentrism. And look,
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: I'm one of the people who got in big trouble
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: for saying that that term gets overused, but it completely
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: applies here and again, ginocentrism is not is not trad
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: like I know. And that's the thing like most people
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: are not living because you know, there was a I
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: don't know if you saw this, Allison, but that was
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: a recent video that really drives us home that Paul
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: Elm did with a guy named This is Shah, and
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: they talked about how basically, like historically, women have always
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: had to bring something to the table and that after
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: a while they were like you know, like finances, like
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: they had to save money, like they had to learn skills,
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: that there was something because remember, and I've been saying
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: this for a while too, people talk about dating like
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: it's the way that we've gotten together for all of time,
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: but actually dating is a very very very recent phenomenon
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: when you look at the overall history of humanity and
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: the for the for the longest time, when a woman
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: and a man met, it was basically because their families
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: knew each other. And there was also a discussion about
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: like how much money do you have saved up? How
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: much you know, like what do you have? How can
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: we bring our resources together so it's not just oh,
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: the act of me marrying you is like you know,
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: that is like that's your reward that I am the table, right,
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: And there were even articles written at like in the
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: eighteen hundreds that were like the juice isn't worth the squeeze,
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: So like this isn't like a new thing where people
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: are realizing this. So but like we have essentially we
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: have forgotten the history of marriage, family lineage, and courtship
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: for so long that now we only think that there
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: has been dating and then there and after. If we
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: keep on this trajectory, there will only be memory of
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: dating apps because people will think that's how we've always
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: gotten together. Right, So this kind of stuff is the
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: effect of, oh, men, just just respect women. That's what
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: they give you in return is their presence and maybe
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: you'll get to have some babies and if you and
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: if you do, you should treat it as a gift,
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: which is why you should be pro life. So for men,
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: it's not it's not even like you know, a benefit
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: of or whatever. Right, it's it's just it's crazy. But
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: anyway are telling it to women.
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: This has nothing to do with men. In fact, I
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: don't even know if this is meant to be viewed
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: by men. It's literally to be viewed by pro choice
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: feminist women who want to be respected, and they're saying, well,
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: this is how you embrace this philosophy, and you will
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: be respected as a woman. I think that's literally what
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: they're doing. This wasn't even intended to sell anything to
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: men's to women. It has nothing to do with men.
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: But I actually wanted to build on your point there
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: about traditionalism. You're absolutely right. Traditionalism wasn't a free for
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: all for women like it had. I think it's almost
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: weird that we have to say this, but there were
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: expectations in any in any culture that achieved any level,
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: like significant level of organization or development, expectations were placed
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: on women not to engage in very immoral behaviors that
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: disrupted the status quo. Now different cultures did this differently.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: The Confucians have a very strong hierarchy. I think the
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: Hindus also have a strong hierarchy. There's an expectation of
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: obeying your husband in both cultures, and in the West
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: it was a little bit more, almost philosophical, because the
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: force to control women's behavior became internal about you know,
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: heaven and hell and judgment.
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: And cel judge a lot of like the Hellenic, like
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: the Greek philosophy mixed into it looks sort of like merge,
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: like the Roman Greek philosophy merged with Christian philosophy, so
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: just yeah, aris Thetilian stuff in there too, So.
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. So it's but there's a lot of almost
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: like that kind of internal moral compass with Christianity. But
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: that's everywhere. There's the expectation that meant that women uphold
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: the cultural group, put the cultural group ahead of themselves,
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: and that includes the family group and the community. And
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: this is what happens when women decide not to uphold
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: their part of the social bargain, the social contract. And ironically,
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: you know, they've essentially doomed the one society that said, hey,
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: we'll give you freedom, and then they turn around and say,
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: while we're going to abort you to death, we're going
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: to abort this culture, which is the one culture that
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: gave so called rights to women. I'm like, as a person,
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: even if you were a person like who wanted to
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: retain women a culture with that prioritized women's rights as
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: like a cultural good, wouldn't you want to invest in
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: that culture, continue it, make sure it survives, Like why
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: would you be so? Like, why would you get your rights?
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: And then immediately Okay, I'm going to use these rights
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: to destroy the very system that got me those rights.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: I mean, isn't that sort of shortsighted? Like if you
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: were genuinely wanting to preserve those rights, wouldn't you want
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: to figure out how to make sure that this particular
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: society perpetuates itself instead of ending it, instead of terminating it.
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: Oh I got I got my rights. No other woman
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: ever in the history of humanity going forward will have
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: hers because I got mine, and now I'm going to
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: terminate everything. Like okay, I guess we now are seeing
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: in real time why societies that gave women their rights disappeared.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: Are the quote unquote.
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: Rights Yeah, okay, okay, so so yes that you're basically
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: we're on the same page. This ad is written by
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: a woman for women, and it just has men in it.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: That's it. That's it. That's it. So okay, let's keep going.
• 39:33
  Speaker 8: Because abortion rights are pro choice men's rights.
• 39:36
  Speaker 5: I deserve to be free from any responsibility for some girl.
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: Get you didn't you didn't know, you didn't know that
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: that was coming. Oh I forgot, I got a super
• 39:44
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• 39:48
  Speaker 1: twenty dollars and says thank you. Tell Nar. Sorry for
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: missing the movie viewing last night. Allison sent a few
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: bucks to the fund by way of apology. Also, hello Brian,
• 39:57
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• 40:00
  Speaker 1: the other day. It's on Allison's personal YouTube channel for
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: those that are curious and worth a listen, Excelsior, thank
• 40:06
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• 40:09
  Speaker 2: Okay, oh yeah, so tell Lemnar put in uh one
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: hundred dollars to the fundraisers. Well, thank you tell Lemnar. Yeah,
• 40:16
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• 40:19
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• 40:23
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• 40:42
  Speaker 2: our most recent up there. And I also want to
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: give a thank you too, because this is just really quick.
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, the great Indoors just put in five hundred dollars.
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: Thank you great.
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: Okay, okay, so thank you great indoors. Yes, is we're
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: moving We're making movement here making movement that that's that
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: was horrible sounding. We are moving forward.
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so right, so so again if you need more
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: evidence that this is a an ad written by a
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: woman for women, may even be a feminist, Like I mean,
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: when to say that you know, pro pro choice, Well
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: so there there, there is. There is the Men's Issues
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: Advocates argument that you know, if women get our pro choice,
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: the men should be able to be pro choice in
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: order to abstain from, you know, essentially paying for child
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: support and stuff like that. And I think the purpose
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: of making that argument is mostly semantic because obviously m
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: ras could and actually get that done, because no government
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: would ever do it or act on it. But it
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: is supposed to start a kind of thought experiment of well,
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: wait a minute, if we did that for men, then
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: what would be the result. Would women continue to have babies?
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: Because like either the when a woman gets pregnant by
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: a man and Cassie j covered this in her documentary
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: The Red Pill, but we've talked about it on the show.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: Basically every step of the journey from the moment she
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: even before she has sex with the guy, until the
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: birth or abortion of the baby is a woman's choice.
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: She has complete control for the entire like all seventeen
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: different forms of birth control, adoption, you know, safe haven,
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: abandonment and all that, and abortion right, all of those things. Men,
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: they're basically just at the whim of the woman. Like,
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: whatever you decide, I'm just gonna have to deal with.
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: So if the man wants a child and she doesn't,
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: guess what if the man does would not want a child,
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: and she does, Or if the man like took precautions
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: and she got herself pregnant anyway by sperm jacking him,
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: guess what, He's now on the hook for child support.
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: And there have been cases of men who have been
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: raped by women that have later on gone on to
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: make them pay child support. So this is an important
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: thing to bring up to start a conversation around that.
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: But what I think this is about is that what
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: is likely is the I'm gonna just say this is
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: a feminist woman that likely wrote this, or at least
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: someone with feminist beliefs that heard that argument from from
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: somewhere on the internet. That there were guys saying, well,
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: men should be able to abstain or abort, you know,
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: financial abortion. I think like should be eligible for financial abortion,
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: and they were like, you can't do that's oh, I
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: can't believe you have to take responsibility. So they make
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: this this ad to make that argument and sound as
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: absurd as possible, so that the people who watch that
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: will be like, oh, that's so funny. Can you imagine
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: a guy not wanting to take responsibility. Meanwhile, mister alpha
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: Fox and you know Alpha FUCKX guy, he'll do this
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: and he won't pay for shit, and the women will
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: just deal with it because they wanted to fuck him.
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: So like this, like this again, this is completely not
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: living in the realm of reality. Because the guy that
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: women that women want to have sex with, that does
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: not want to have any children, doesn't want to be
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: responsible for them. He's the guy that's gonna either not
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: pay child support. And there's plenty of dudes that choose
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: not to because they just don't want to take responsibility,
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: or they will pressure them into getting an abortion, and
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: it'll be those kind of men that those women will
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: continue to reward anyway, because they don't think that the moment,
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: the pleasure in the moment, is more important than like,
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: you know, whatever the consequences are. And of course we
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: all know that, you know, the women will a lot
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: of women will do everything in their power to avoid
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: any kind of accountability, and they'll find ways men. And
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: that's what this this ad ultimately does, is it blames
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: It just blames men again, So.
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: Blames men for something they don't even have any control over.
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: And we don't even have to go to like a
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: paper abortion for men. Why don't we just look it
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: so that men who are raped don't have to pay
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: child support? Like we could just do that, because right now,
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: start that right now on the books. If a man
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: is forced into sex. But the most grotesque can beast.
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: And I've heard stories about this that are actually really harrow.
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: Underage boys have been underage.
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: Even when and I don't even mean like I don't
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: like when I say hand beasts, I don't necessarily mean physical.
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: I mean that they are an awful human being. There
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: have been men like there was I remember this one
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: Reddit story and it still bothers me today where he
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: ended up being sexually assaulted by a woman because he
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: passed out in like the coat room of a friend
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: and woke up with her on top of him and
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: he tried to push her off, but he was you know, incapacitated,
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: and his friends like laugh at him, and then she
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: later on, he finds out she got pregnant. He gets
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: sued for child support. Baby's his, and he has to
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: make nice with the woman who raped him for something
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: like five years. So he had to plaster on a
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: smile and do what she wanted for five years, you know,
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: help her build furniture, help her renovate, you know, do
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: things around the house and smile and wait. And eventually,
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: because she's a rapist, she screwed up with her kid.
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: Because get this, you know, rapists aren't the most moral
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: or nice or you know, good parents. They don't make
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: very good parents. Eventually she's screwed up enough he could
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: sue for custody and get his child out of the
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: clutches of a rapist. Think about that. Five years he
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: had to do that, He had to wait and and
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: just swallow whatever unbelievably ugly crap of rapists threw at
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: him until she fucked up enough that he could get
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: his kid from her, and that that wasn't a given.
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: That's the other thing, you know, female rapists, they get
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: custody they get the money, they get to extort whatever
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: they want out of their victims, you know, and nobody's
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: correcting it. Let's correct that. Let's just make it so
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: guys don't have to go through that. How about that?
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: You know that would be a men's rights issue? And
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: I don't even Maybe you might be right that this
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: feminist found out about the paper abortion thing and she
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: was like, oh, this is men's rights. Well, like, actually
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: making it so that men had the ability to do
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: this probably would start to get to get women to
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: think more carefully about who they have sex with. Honestly,
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: but until that happens, is it really fair? Of course
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: they don't care about fair. That's the problem. Is it
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: really fair that men can't even walk away from their
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: responsibilities as a parent when they're raped or when they're
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: a boy and they're like eleven and raped by a
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: thirty seven year old woman. They can't do that? Is
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: that fair? Could we start to correct those injustices and
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: to call this like men's rights? Yeah, well okay, let's
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: just keep going.
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So I got a rumble ranch from OIC who
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: gives us a dollar and says, sup reads T shirt?
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: Is this a parody? Video poslaw fulfilled once again. The
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: T shirt says husbands and fathers are beta males hashtag
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: po choice men. So again, this is a This is
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: an a PSA written by a woman, I'm almost certain
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: of it, and a feminist woman, in fact, one of
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: those sewing circle feminist women that pretend to be trad
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: so that they can infiltrate and and basically inflict ginocentrism
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: on that part of and you know, and subvert this
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: part of the Internet or this part of the you know, population,
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: and and these and the way. The only people who
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: benefit are the women who watch it because they just
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: get to feel good about themselves. Because again, you know,
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: men who are who want to be fathers, they don't
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: need this, And men who have no interest in being
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: fathers and are gonna use women sexually, they're not gonna
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: listen to this. So you're wasting your time, right, This
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: isn't four men. It won't work like it's the men
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: who don't need convincing are already not convinced, you know so,
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: But anyway, Uh okay, so let's uh yeah, let's listen
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: to more.
• 49:54
  Speaker 6: I deserve to enjoy sex without commitment.
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: Her body, her problem, get it. It's a joke.
• 49:59
  Speaker 6: Get it, marriage or parenthood.
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: It's ridiculous to think that just because I'm the father,
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: I'm expected to be a dad.
• 50:07
  Speaker 8: It's her body and it's her choice, So don't be
• 50:11
  Speaker 8: asking me for anything.
• 50:13
  Speaker 6: And look, I'm a caring guy.
• 50:16
  Speaker 7: If I get a girl pregnant and then abandoned her,
• 50:19
  Speaker 7: I don't want to leave her alone with the kid,
• 50:21
  Speaker 7: especially if she might chase me down for child support.
• 50:23
  Speaker 6: I deserve not to be sure.
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: See like, seriously, this is this is not this is ridiculous.
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: It's not gonna work. It's not gonna workat.
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: Good Bye kids to a woman my age, so when
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: she gets older, I can upgrade to a younger model.
• 50:39
  Speaker 7: Guys, we're forgetting that abortion is mainly about a man's
• 50:43
  Speaker 7: sexual freedom.
• 50:44
  Speaker 8: A woman's sex drive is far more tired of the
• 50:46
  Speaker 8: commitment and procreation than a man's.
• 50:48
  Speaker 5: That's why women's sexuality scare the women.
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, right way. So see this is how you know
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: it's written by a woman. This is how you know
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: they're like, oh, a man's sexual freedom men's. Men don't
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: really have access to women in the same way that
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: women have access to men. That's just a fact, Like,
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: that's that's the reason why what is it the saying
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: a key that opens many locks is a master key,
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: but a lock that can be opened by any key
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: is just a shitty lock. It's because like women, women
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: can basically have sex whatever they want as long as
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: they're willing to lower their standards enough. It doesn't matter
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: what they look like men that that like, So like
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: the the the I guess what I'm saying is is
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: that this is something that only a woman who is
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: post sexual revolution feminist could believe about men, because that
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: this is the inverse of reality, Like, like what men
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: can can go around sleeping with this many women? How
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: what percentage of the male population could be like this promiscuous?
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: Like really think about that. It's probably a very small number.
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: Well here's the thing, here's okay, So the only system
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: in which the average man has a shot at having
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: sex is monogamy. Yeah right, So what does that say
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: about women, right and their options and whether or not? Like,
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: and the thing is that monogamy apparently has to be
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: enforced on women by patriarchy otherwise, or quote unquote patriarchy
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: at least like a more Christian or patriarchy like quote unquote,
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: but it has to be enforced on women culturally. Otherwise
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: it seems like women migrate towards ginocentrism, or not ginocentrism,
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: but polygyny sharing a man. And that's like, what does
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: that say about women's sexuality. Is it say that they
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: want commitment? No, because if they wanted commitment, nothing would
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: have changed when their sexuality was liberated. They'd still be
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: pairing up with the looks matched and having kids and
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: all the thing. Right, So, now that we've liberated women's sexuality,
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: we have found out what women want, and increasingly, what
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: women appear to want is men who are more attractive
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: than them. They will take those men without any commitment,
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: any terms of commitment. And I'm not sure why we
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: were so surprised by this, Like, women want no strings
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: attached sex with more attractive members of the opposite sex.
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: And everybody was shocked that when we just we take
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: away all of the expectations put on women that they
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: control their sexuality and that they put it to the
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: service of actually producing a society that works, we take
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: away all of that. Women want to have sex with
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: no strings attach, sex with members of the opposite sex,
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: that they are more attractive than them. Why were we shocked?
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: This is my question. Why were we shocked? Why was
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: this shocking to us? And why is it that I
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: hate to say, Okay, these conservative people maybe different than
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: other traditionalists or whatever, why were they shocked that this
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: is the outcome? Because I've I remember, this is where
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: the genesis of a lot of my criticizing of conservatives
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: as well as feminists come from. I remember a long time,
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: like twenty years ago. This is well before what was
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: happening today. I went into I was, you know, I
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: had a check up, went to the doctor's office, and
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: I picked up a magazine that was put out by
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: a Christian group and they were talking about hookup culture.
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: And I read the article, and of course it was
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: like this is all about benefiting men, and men get
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: the most out of this, and men are exploiting women,
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: and all of the sexual exploitation and the negative things
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: like abortion and other stuff and child abandonment and all
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: this stuff, and all of it was men to blame,
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: men to blame, men to blame. And I read this,
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, all right, well, and then I went
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: to my university and I go to like, I'm walking
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: through the women's studies department, and I see like a feminist,
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: a feminist article on the hookup culture. I'm like, okay,
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: I'll see what they have to say, exactly the same thing.
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: Men are getting the best of it, They're exploiting women.
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: Men are to blame for everything, and women are getting
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: the worst of it. And I'm like, are they really though?
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: But what really struck me is it was exactly the same.
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: So I know that you said originally you know this
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: is infiltration by feminists, but I think there is a
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: strain of this kind of suspicion of male sexuality even
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: in the Conservatives, even separate from feminism, and that presents
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: these issues as being men are to blame, men benefit,
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: women are being exploited. Women aren't benefiting, women are being hoodwinked.
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: No one is hood waking women, no one. It's that Christians.
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: I'm hey, Allison's thing dropped of came your camera froze.
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: Although you're fine now, you're fine, now.
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: Okay, when you take your sexual expectations off of your daughters,
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: they are horny monsters just like your sons. And you
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: would think that some stuff in the Bible would indicate
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: that this is the case. But apparently we forgot that
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: that there is a bit of a lesson there. But
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: apparently we forgot that in favor of pretending that teenage
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: girls aren't hormone adled, lustful little monsters. You know that
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: we just we just decided that and that if you
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: do not expect women to grow up and make adult
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: sexual choices, the choices that they will make is no
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: strang attached sex with far more attractive members of the
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: opposite sex that they could ever hope to get to
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: settle down. And that's just the way it is. It
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: shouldn't shock anyone, It shouldn't shock anyone. But this is
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: why in the past we had these expectations of women,
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: these these expectations of chastity on women, because when you
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: don't have them, and we understand this, like when we
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: when we when we talk about teenage boys, right, is
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: anybody shocked? Like if it like we've took the average
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: teenage boy from our society and he woke up on
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: an island of I don't know, the the the hot
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: Amazons who all want to have sex with him, no
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: strings attached. What do you think is gonna happen? What
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: do you think he's gonna do well. I mean, if
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: he's as like extremely Christian, he might say no, thank you.
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: But for the most part, if he isn't, what is
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: he gonna do? Why do you think women are any different?
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: When you take those expectations and that's why we put
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: the expectations on men and boys, Why do you think
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: women are any different you take the expectations off, what
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: do they do? They go hog wild?
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: They just they live out their their instincts, they live
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: out their pheromones, they live out their base animal brain.
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: Should this should not have surprised anyone. This should not
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: have surprised anyone. Okay, if if it didn't, if it
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: wouldn't surprise you. If we did this for men and boys,
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: it shouldn't surprise you when we do it for women
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: and girls. We thought that we were preventing some kind
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: of holy spiritual utopia by telling, you know, like taking
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: the horny, horny eighteen year old girl and bonking her
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: on the head and saying wait till marriage. Bonk stop it.
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: You know, we thought, oh, oh, if she gets to
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: be make her own choices, it'll be at utopia. No,
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: it's just a sexual nightmare. Of increasingly, you know, circling
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: the drain. And it was always going to be the
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: way because teenage girls are not better than teenage boys.
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: And if I could do anything, well, there's a lot
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: of things I would do, but this is one of them.
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: I would get people to realize that, on a fundamental level,
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: teenage girls are exploitative. They are mean, they are cruel.
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: They engage in violence, they engage in sexual assault. They
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: are driven by their hormones in every way that a
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: teenage boy is. They are vile little monsters that also
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: need to be told to behave and bonked when they
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: are horny. Right there, There is no cute little angel
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: girl there. It's all evil until it is held to
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: some kind of standard. Oh boy, I think we got
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: I think I got got got. Our channel just kicked off.
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Nah, we're still here. We're fine, all right.
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: Let me finish this off really quick.
• 59:57
  Speaker 5: You need to submit to approach choice man's view of sex.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 7: We need to make women understand that when they become pregnant,
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 7: they're not really women anymore.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 8: I'm not really interested in mothers except my own, because
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 8: she pays all my bills without abortion.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: This is like more, it's like a weird kind of shaming.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know, like even if these let's
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: say that these were because like pro choice men, if
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: they like really feel strongly about that position, they tend
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: to be feminist men too, so you'd be attacking feminist men,
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: which even then I would say is unfair, even if I,
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: you know, find that I disagree with feminist men on
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: a lot of stuff, particularly their worldview. But I don't
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: think this is that. I don't think this is fair
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: because again, the men can have any opinion they want.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: It really doesn't matter because women ultimately make the choice.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: So what are we even doing unless, again, this ad
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: is made for women, and I bet the comments that
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: you want to look at were probably written by women.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 6: How to get a job?
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 3: Abortion has allowed my girlfriend to chase her dreams of
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 3: working sixty hours a week to pay for our bills
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: while I stay home and chase my dream of becoming
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 3: a professional gamer, comedian and social media influencer.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 6: Why does she need me to take care of her?
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 6: And the kidding?
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: Well, isn't it weird that they were in the in
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: the first video talking about how cool it was that
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: a girl had an entrepreneurial spirit. But in this video,
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: working sixty hours a week is bad.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, considering that you are going to be working sixty
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: hours a week if you have an entrepreneurial spirit. Oh,
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: it's inconsistent bullshit.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: Of course. Yeah, because it's emotional. That's the only thing.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: That's all. That's it. That's what I'm saying. This isn't
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: for men.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 6: But the government's atop to do that.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 8: The role of the government is to make my irresponsible
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 8: lifestyle sustainable.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 5: Abortions, keep my girl's body.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah right, so yeah, because the government gives men money.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: Do you guys know that, you know, the welfare state
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: that's for men who don't want to father their children.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 5: You're right, stretch marks.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 6: Have I had to take care of a kid, I
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 6: never would have been able to get my Tesla. My
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 6: Tesla is my baby.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: The other side will point out that abortion again that
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: we hate Elon Musk. Now, right, when did this come
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: out three years ago? Okay, well yeah, I mean that
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: was about when he.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: Was making noise about purchasing Twitter.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: Uh yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 9: I look, come on now, guys, Okay, kills a human being.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 9: But my right to impregnate a woman and then leave
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 9: her in the dust outweighs the baby's.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: Right to life.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 5: Women need the right to abortion because men deserve it.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 3: I deserve a woman's right to abortion.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: Abortion is there basically using anything benefiting men as a
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: way of con ming pro choice, Like, you know, if
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: it benefits men, that in and of itself is a
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: bad yes, yea, yeah. All you have to do is
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: show that it benefits men, and then everybody like, oh
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: my god, we can't do that it benefits men. How horrible?
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: What a world? Huh. I wonder if that'll kick that'll
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: fight in the ass. Eventually, this idea, this like the
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: fact that we find it morally abhorrent to actually recognize
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: situations that men might need a benefit, or even that
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: men benefit in some way. If we if we can,
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: if we can actually condemn something by simply saying, hey,
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: it benefits men, and then everybody's like, destroy it. I
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: wonder if that'll bide us in an ass, considering that
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: we rely on men for so much in our society. No,
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: actually it has Think of Birmingham. We had to they
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: had to pay men more. Or it wasn't even that
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: they paid men more, it was that men were more
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: likely to take jobs as trash collectors, and they had
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: to pay trash collectors more to collect trash because it's
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: not a fun job relative to jobs where women were
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: there are you know, carres and cooks, which they paid
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: less because more people were willing to do them because
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: they're not disgusting and they don't have a social stigma attached.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: And because they paid trash collectors more, and trash collectors
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: were more likely to be men, that became some benefit
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: that men made unfairly, and they justified slashing the men's
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: wages to give more money to the women, even though
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: somehow cares and cooks being more women was not itself
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: a bias against men. And and then and though they
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: don't know, they're they're swamped with rats and garbage in
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: Birmingham because nobody wants to pick up the trash. Oh boy,
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: that that's that is literally men potentially benefit from something.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: We have to destroy that thing. Oh shit, that was
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: trash collect a thing we just destroyed. Huh. I guess
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: we're gonna have to enjoy, you know, the plague with
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: all the rats. Okay, we have to learn to become
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: plague enjoyers. We're in our plague era. We're a plague,
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: are dying of?
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 3: Abortion is not really about what women want, and it
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 3: never has been.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 8: A portion is about men, pro choice men.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 7: So, ladies, thanks for marching, because you're not really marching
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 7: for yourselves, you're marching for us.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 5: Thanks for being obedient and submissive to what we want.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 3: Abortion rights are pro choice men's right.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: Oh god, dude, this is the worst. This is worst, Okay.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: But just how they're using the whole narrative, like, yeah,
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: obedience and submission to men as a way of uh
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: selling anti selling something to women. Like, so you are
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: being obedient and submissive to pro choice men. By being
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: pro choice, you're being submissive to men's rights. You're benefiting men.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: God Like, doesn't that in the reverse really say something
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: about women?
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: If you actually listen to men. That's really what submissive
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: means in this context. They just turning it into something
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: that women seem to find sexually attractive, which is being dominated.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: But it's if you listen to men that this position
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: makes you have to listen to men. This position tricks
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: you into benefiting men. This position tricks you into agreeing
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: with men's leadership, you know, And they're using that to
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: try to sell anti like to try to sell women
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: on the opposite position, doesn't that say something about women's mentality?
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: Yes?
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: And really, like, that's an interesting position to take for
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: a bunch of supposed conservatives. I think you might be
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: right here.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: I'm fairly certain this is written by women for women.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: And because it sounds like the end potential like outcome
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: of this would be like a pro life message, a
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: lot of people just miss it. That group goes right
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: over their heads.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 6: Abortion rights are pro choice men's rights.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 5: Abortion rights are pro choice men's rights.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 8: Abortion rights are pro choice men's rights.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 5: A one time, I even drove my girl down to
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 5: the clinic for her abortion because I'm a gentleman and
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 5: I make sacrifices like that for women.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: I don't know what, literally, all you do to make
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: women hate something is say that men benefit. Yeah, what
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: does that say about women? Really? And to think that
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: really the reason why women are getting abortions is they
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 2: just don't want to assume responsibility for another human being
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: seems like telling women, hey, you might inadvertently be benefiting
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: another human being by your choice. There, that might not
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: be the way to go. Maybe maybe we should have
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: a narrative of women taking responsibility for the consequences of
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: their actions. No, no, we can't do that. That's only
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: for men. That's man talk, all right. So the one
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: that I wanted to point out the comment, yes it is,
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: I found it art Horse six eight three five. If
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: you can find art Horse.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I go right here. This is really pretty mild. Actually,
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: I volunteered at pregnancy resource centers for over twenty two
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: years and have heard much have heard much worse than this,
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: but still this is excellent satire, slash reality. Well done,
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: live action, well done. I've heard. I guess he believe
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: believed women. That's all that.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: Matters, right, Okay, so for some reason we're getting a
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: lot of failed attempts. Yeah, it's from from an individual.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: I'm going to stay his name is.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: Something Through.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you guys, you're you're having some difficulty there, tyler.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: So wait, don't like because if you're like sitting multiple times,
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: it might go through multiple times.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: It's just I'm not sure what it's doing, but maybe
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: you might be getting a flag on your on your
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: your payment processor. But yeah, that's actually the responses to
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: this dude that's really freaking interesting or actually probably isn't
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: a dude. Eh, he's probably this is probably a woman
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: art horse, yeah, or yeah, art horse. This is actually
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: this is really pretty mild. Actually, I've encountered at pregnancy
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: resources centers for early twenty two years. I've heard much
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: worse than this. But still, this is an excellent satire
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: reality Well done, live action, well done. Do women have
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: to have any kind of excuse for engaging in this behavior?
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 6: Nope?
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: So why is so much condemned condemnation for men? But
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: but I wanted to go down into the responses because
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: there at some point it actually destroys the argument being
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: presented by this video.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: Okay, we had the responses to this comment.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: Yes, the first one, if you if you.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: I got it right here, I'm looking at it.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: Cotch Koch seventy says, yeah, this really makes me want
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: to keep my child. These are exactly the kind of
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: men I'd want to be tied to for the rest
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: of my life. Way to go, live action. Yes, is
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: that sarcasm?
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: I think it is sarcasm, but I think it's really
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: revealing guys, And this is the issue, and uh what
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 2: and and people pop in and say, oh, well, you
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: know you don't if.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: You if you, if you're worried about getting pregnant, then
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: you probably shouldn't have sex. Well, and right there.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 2: That that's expecting women to take responsibility. That woman wants
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: to be able to have sex like the She wouldn't
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: make this comment unless she was willing to have sex
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: with these men. And I mean some of them are
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: pretty attractive, right, I didn't take a close look.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: But I supposed to be attract They're the same guys
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: for the first bit with their shirts off, again likely
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: written by a woman.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so these are presumably that men that this woman
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: finds attractive, so she wants to have sex with them.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 2: She just doesn't want to have a child with them,
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: because again she is a horny beast and like any
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: human being with their sexuality completely allowed to go wherever
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: it wants, she wants to have sex with these men
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: and not have to deal with the consequences, right, I mean,
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: And it's right there in that, And that is the
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 2: problem with this rhetoric. It doesn't address that fact these
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: men who are having sex with these women. Why are
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: they having sex with these women because women find them
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: attractive and they're not duplicitous, they're not pretending these women
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: are having sex with them because they want to, right,
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: and they don't want to have a child with them,
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: because men who are attractive to women are often not
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: the type of men that you want to have a
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: kid with. And we see this statistically. Women are attracted
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: to sociopaths, let's just be honest. They are attracted to
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: the sociopathic personality style. And you know, you women can
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: say things like, oh, he was faking, and no, that
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: is inherent to sociopaths. You just like it. And the
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 2: fact is that it's the same man who has that
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: personality style that you find so charming that also kicks
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: you to the curb when he's done with you. Right,
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: He just sees you in terms of what he wants.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: That's what probably part of what made you attracted to him.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: And the shy, awkward or sort of stiff guy that
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: you think is sort of gross and creepy, well he's
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: not a sociopath. He doesn't have the suave personality style. Okay,
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: he doesn't have the predatorial personality style. So women are
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 2: attracted to men who are like this, who just see
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 2: them in terms of what they can get out of them.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: Because those men have a very attractive personality style. It's
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 2: part of the package. And then you add in them
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: being physically attractive, which probably many of them are because
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 2: they want to be able to, you know, engage or
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 2: have as much variety as they like. But they don't
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: have to be it's the the sociopathic personality style that
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 2: the women and find attractive. And then you have this
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: situation where the men who women are attracted to are
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: the last type of man that they want to have
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: a child with, I mean, or more they do, and
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 2: then they end up being in a situation where they're
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 2: holding the entire bag because they got taken in by
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: a faker. And it's not sorry. They didn't get taken
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: in by a faker. They got taken in by some
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: a brightly colored poisonous animal, right And and that's and
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 2: societies that functioned actually told women, Hey, don't get taken
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: in by brightly colored poisonous animals. You know. Try to
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 2: look past that to issues of character, you know, issues
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 2: of stability, issues of patience and virtue and ethics, and
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: try to find men who are like that, because maybe
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: they're not as attractive, but you will actually have a
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: more decent outcome. But that's not what the case. Now.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 2: Now we've constructed a situation where women can freely go
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: after the sociopaths that they're attracted to and have no consequences,
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: and they're going to choose that, And what are you
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: going to do about it? Pro choice people, You're going
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 2: to continue to blame men. The sociopaths do not care,
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 2: like like Brian is saying, these guys are not watching this,
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: nor do they give a crap right, And also when
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 2: women watch this and their pro choice they are going
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 2: to be like catch twenty three seventy. Well, but why
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: would I want to have a child with these guys?
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 2: You are just today's women. You have just created a
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 2: pro choice ad M because they're saying, Oh, these are
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: attractive guys I'd love to smash, But why would I
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 2: want to have a child with them? Why would I
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 2: want to have take any responsibility for the consequences of
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 2: my sexual behavior with these men? This is a pro
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 2: choice ad to me. Okay, and then that Remington trip
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 2: says coach, coach, if you are worried about getting pregnant,
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: you could not have sex just an idea. Yeah, but
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 2: here you've already precluded making women take responsibility by saying
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: it's men deceiving them somehow, right, this is your thesis.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 2: Men are deceiving women into being abortion happy sluts by
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 2: being so hot and sexy but not being good to
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 2: have children with. Right now, you're saying, well, you could
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 2: just not have sex. Well, that would require responsible women.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 2: That would require the box stick for the teenage girls.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: But you want to see teenage girls as angelic, not
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 2: filthy little demons. Sorry, I I think I'm being a
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 2: little bit too negative towards teenagers. I mean, but you know,
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 2: it's like you don't want to hold them responsible for
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 2: their sexual choices because you want to see them as
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 2: like little Mother Mary's.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: They're not.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 2: They're sinners, no offense. I'm going to use the Christian rhetoric.
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 2: This is why everybody is a sinner, because you're not
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: supposed to start idolizing your teenage girls as angels or
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 2: Mother Mary. They are horny little rats and they need
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: to be controlled otherwise they become this. No, that's what
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 2: we need. We need the horny little The teenage girls
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: are horny little rats. Religion m h and yeah, so
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 2: what if this is misogyn this is misogynists. I'm not
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: saying that teenage boys aren't also horny little rats. Okay,
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying that teenage girls are. How is that
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: misogynist unless you if you're attached to this idea that
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 2: women are like somehow better than men, they're not. Absolutely,
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 2: women are not better than men. Okay, did you wanna
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 2: did you want to go through more of these comments?
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 2: Because I think they're really enlightening.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, let me see like a few more minutes.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: You mean, the response to this thread or another comment completely,
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: So we'll.
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 2: Just keep to this thread because there's too many rabbit
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 2: holes in this.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: Well. Yeah, I mean they're just asking this guy, this
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: guy art Horse, who said, you know that they heard stories.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: But the thing is is that I kind of dismissed
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: that out, like right out, because they're saying they heard stories.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: So basically, women have come into abortion clinics and told
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: the abortionists or whoever is going to perform the abortion
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: or whatever, the front desk people that you know, essentially
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: they were coerced, and we're just supposed to assume those
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: women are telling the truth, Like, do women lie because
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: they're potentially ashamed? I think so, so I can't really
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: take any of this at face value. But again, this
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: is like, do you see what I'm saying, Like it
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: says Art Horse, sixty eight thirty five, This is this
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: is really pretty mild. Actually, I voluntar tiered at pregnancy
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: resource centers for over twenty two years and have heard
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: much more, much worse than this, So we are What
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: you are saying is is that you have either heard
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: this from people at the clinics or you've heard it
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: from some women who have come into the clinics that
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: men were doing this to them. I'm sorry, but unless
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: the guy came in with a gun to her head
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: and demanded that she get an abortion, that's probably a lie,
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: and that the woman is ashamed that she's getting an abortion,
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: and so she's lying about what pushed her to come
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: there for the abortion. I mean, like, I'm like, that's
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: that's what I'm sorry, because you at the end of
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: the day, like, women do not get pregnant out of nowhere.
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: There is they have to literally take steps to get pregnant.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of stuff that goes into it, and
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: you know, uh, you know, and we're supposed to do
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: like it's a really short drop from it takes two
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: to tango to it men's fault actually, so like I
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: won't even accept the itch takes to the tango argument
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: because I know it gets used to just blame men anyway,
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: at the end of the day, women choose this, Like,
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: I mean, I've been with women, I've never gotten any
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: pregnant because we were careful, you know. So yeah, it's
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: like you just this is like it's I'm sorry, but
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: it's just an excuse. So when art Horse six' eight
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: three five says I've heard much worse than this, what
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: they're saying is, yes, this is true. Men are this bad,
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: and it's and then women are victims and it's just
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: not the case, like like, I'm sorry, but a woman
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: does not come to an abortion clinic because of immaculate conception.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: You know, it's because it's you know. So yeah, it's
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: just a it's like on this space and people say,
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: can you share some some of the things you've heard
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: again pointless because no matter what art Horse six eight
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: three five responds with, which, by the way, they just
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: give some vague stuff like here, one gal came in
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: and told me that when her boyfriend found out she
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: was pregnant. He insisted she have an abortion. Take it
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: like a woman. He yelled at her. I almost couldn't
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: believe it. Again, this is a person relaying secondhand information.
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: A woman came in and told me that her boyfriend
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: yelled at her to get an abortion, Like, I mean, like,
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: why am I why should we believe that?
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, but what about the other side, What about
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 2: the other side, Like, there's there is actually people who
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 2: work in abortion clinics who talk about the men, and
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 2: the men are concerned or they're upset that the abortion
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 2: is happening, or they're really stressed out, or after the
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 2: abortion happens, that they have feelings of grief and that
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 2: they you know, like the whole process of pregnancy impacts
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 2: men significantly too. And yeah, there are some men who
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 2: would rather have an abortion than you know, give up
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 2: their lifestyle.
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, fair enough.
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 2: Maybe maybe if you're having reproductive sex with men, unprotected
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 2: sex with men, you should do that in the in
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 2: a long term relationship. Just a thought. But but there's
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 2: also men who are who are devastated by abortion. And
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 2: that's not even art horses, not even talking about that.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 2: So I'm guessing that she she is ideological and motivated
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 2: in what is she's sharing? Mm hmm.
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: And uh, I mean, I guess if you if you
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: want to end so I mean not not that I'm
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: taking their side, but the truth is is that if
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: the if the goal is simply to end abortion, the
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: only way you're going to get people to respond to
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: it is if you make women the victims of abortion.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: That's the like and not even the children being victims,
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: like the unborn themselves. Being victims is enough to motivate
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: people as it is to say, well, the women will
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: be harmed by this, which I think is what they're
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: so like this. I'm not saying this is right. I'm
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: saying that if if it's all about the end justifies
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 1: the means, then you could perhaps tap into ginocentrism as
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: a means to get the result that you want, which
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: is fewer abortions. But I and again I don't think
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: it's effective. And I don't know, look at what.
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 2: Just look at what this pro life woman is saying.
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 2: You just continue on down like Kelly Ann Well, it's
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 2: satire for one, and yes, it's best to stay away
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 2: from these men altogether. Problem solved at coach, I'm good. Thanks,
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 2: This is an entirely, terribly unconvincing ad though that's the point.
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 2: She's fine with the situation. She feels it benefits her,
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 2: and it does. You're not going to convince pro life
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 2: pro choice women this way to become pro life because
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 2: that means they have to stop having sex with men
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 2: that they don't want commitment within the first place. Let's
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 2: be honest, okay, and Joe Schmoe says at coach Kotch
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 2: two three seven zero. Either way, that conscious is the
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 2: woman who's like, uh, but what if I want to
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 2: have sex with these men and I don't want to
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 2: have children with them? Either way. Basically, that's what she's saying.
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 2: Abortion is not for women. It treats women like they
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 2: are broken when they are pregnant, and his toy needs
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 2: to be fixed so the men can keep having sex
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 2: without any consequences. How many men are actually like that
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 2: versus men who know that this is occurring. First of all,
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 2: you're talking about a subset of women who are engaging abortion.
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 2: Many of the men don't even know that it's happening.
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 2: They don't even know their fathers. The woman doesn't eat,
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 2: maybe even doesn't even know who impregnated her. But anyway,
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 2: we're talking about the subset of men who know that
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 2: they got a woman pregnant, and then a subset of
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 2: that who don't want her to keep it, who have
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 2: an opinion, and it's do not want her to keep it,
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 2: because there is also a probably larger subset who do
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 2: want her to keep it and are actually hurt by
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 2: the fact that she's not going to have a kid
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 2: with them. What about them? Of course they don't exist
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 2: because we have to create a convenient narrative in which
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 2: men are just pushing this on women. Women aren't doing
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 2: this against men's will, and uh and uh, yeah, we
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 2: gotta blame men, which means we have to remove all
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 2: of the men who are actually harmed by this from
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 2: the picture. Okay, and by keeping a kid, you're not
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 2: tied down to any man. Plus you have nine months
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 2: to choose if you want to adopt. Okay, yes, but
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 2: she's not going to do that, right And then cop says, lo,
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 2: what by keeping a kid you're not tied down to
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 2: any man. You clearly have no idea what child custody
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 2: situations are like you do you, actually, conch doesn't Almost
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 2: all fathers get some form of custody or visitation as
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 2: most should. You absolutely are tied for that man for life. No, actually, cotch,
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 2: you can you can get around that for a leasla
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 2: h uh cosh. Yeah, you're very right at least now
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 2: that you're aware, better to be responsible and disciplined to
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 2: yourself to being tied to these these kinds of men. Okay,
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 2: right there, we have seen our argument. Okay, if you
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 2: give men more custody, right, women are more careful in
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 2: who they choose to get pregnant by. That is a
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 2: better approach. You want to get rid of divorce, create
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 2: a automatic presumption of joint custody, or you want to
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 2: reduce divorce, you want to reduce abortion. I don't know
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 2: if you really can at this point. Heal the black family,
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 2: I guess. And that's the other thing this really isn't.
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 2: Isn't identifying where this abortion is really taking place? Okay, No, anyway,
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 2: I just wanted to point that out that this pro
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 2: choice woman, who I think that this ad was aimed
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 2: at to try to change her mind, Yeah, her mind
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 2: isn't changed. Right, That would require to take responsibility for
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 2: her sexual choices. And that's the point she doesn't want to.
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 2: She wants to have sex with men she finds attractive.
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 2: At some levels, she must realize at some point, these
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 2: women must realize that the men that they find attractive
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 2: are not the men who are good to have children with.
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 2: But they still want to have sex with men they
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 2: find attractive because they find them attractive.
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 8: Mm hmm.
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 2: It's the woman as horny beast principle, and people are
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 2: so shocked by even though. Yeah, if the situation was
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 2: that men could have an unlimited supply of attractive women,
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 2: that they could have sex with no consequences, we know
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 2: that they would do that. Somehow, that just doesn't apply
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 2: to women for some reason. Okay, anyway, is there anything
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 2: further you wanted to.
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: Add, Brian, No, I think that's I think that's good
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: for an hour and a half.
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah what I said, I only wanted to go for
• 1:27:57
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• 1:28:00
  Speaker 2: what's going on. Yeah, it looks like chat, no special chat.
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 2: We do have another. Yeah, I okay, we'll do special
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 2: chat all right?
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 1: No oh no, no, no, don't don't do no, leave it,
• 1:28:15
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• 1:28:15
  Speaker 2: These two men are misogynists. Yeah, I'm a man, I'm
• 1:28:20
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• 1:28:25
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• 1:28:29
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