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Championship Sunday and Geekly News for January 28, 2024 · Straight Outta Gotham

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  Music.
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  Hello, everyone out in the DC universe. Welcome to another episode of Straight
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  Outta Gotham, episode 141.
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  Anyway, I am your co-host and senior contributor to Batman on Film.
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  I am Peter Arver, and today we're recording on January 27th, 2024.
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  As always, I have a great show for you today, a little bit different today.
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  It's our Championship Sunday, Eric Holzman Spectacular.
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  And I just want to remind you guys that, because, you know, Eric's the football
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  champion of Long Island, in case you were wondering. That's why.
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  He's the Al Bundy of the Tri-State area.
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  That's it. Hands in his pants, football in hand, ready to run like the Heisman. That's Eric Holzman.
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  We're just praising Eric a little early today because he's shaking his head
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  in confusion. He doesn't understand the introduction, but that's fine.
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  That's why he's on the other side of the glass right now.
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  Now, let me introduce my partner in crime, the man who wants to bring the XFL
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  to Long Long Island, the champion of Long Island, the president of the Long Island Island fan.
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  I don't know. What is the name of this football club you're going to bring to
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  the island, Eric? Eric Holsman, everybody.
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  What is the name of the football team? It's still being discussed. We haven't decided.
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  You're not really going to call them the Holsey ones, are you?
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  I can't. I tried. Tried to get it passed, but they wouldn't let me.
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  That's interesting. I didn't know the Rock knew of your existence until yesterday
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  when the press release was announced.
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  So good for you i know he just i know the rock just regained
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  rights to his name the rock and he's all about
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  doing his press tour and everything that he's been doing lately he's he's the
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  walking hype machine so i'm excited that uh you two are going to get to collab
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  together if he can't have superman he might as well have aquaman that's what
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  i say that's hey as long as you have a hero and and he you're my hero and he
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  probably wants to forget black adam so it's okay i guess we can,
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  I can kind of slide into that that role I feel like he's announced like rampage
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  to just to get away from black Adam even farther.
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  Well, Pete, you've come out swinging today so far. So I'm ready.
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  Well, you know, I'm very excited for this weekend. There's going to be a lot of Buffalo chicken dip.
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  There's going to be some chicken wings. There's going to be jalapeno poppers.
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  And that's just kind of the warm up for the big food festival in two weeks.
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  That's true. This is kind of the pregame for the Super Bowl,
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  right? This is where you test out your recipes to find out if they suck for Sunday.
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  That's fair. That's a good thing. Or if you want to try anything new,
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  you try it now so that it doesn't break the party, right?
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  Yeah. But yeah, this is championship weekend in the NFL.
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  We have been picking the games every week thus far.
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  I didn't tally up. I think we both got them.
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  Okay. And don't forget, the person who gets the most right picks at the end
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  of the bracket wins a signed Nerf ball by Eric Holzman. Yeah.
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  Yeah, we could do that. I'll do that.
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  It could be it could be one of those special nerfs too
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  that have like the the whatever the tail
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  on the end you know that you throw it makes that noise what were those well
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  that was called the orby i think i don't remember what that was called the orby
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  i once had a nerf football that glow glue in the dark like it had a light in
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  it so i could play at nighttime it worked really well too it was like a neon
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  green football did you say glue in the dark i think it's glowed i,
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  glue glowed i don't know moose mooses like who's english i could be wrong though
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  i could be wrong you're probably right i don't use that word that often so yeah
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  i could be wrong apparently i don't either,
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  Yeah, so Championship Sunday, Chiefs versus the Ravens in the AFC,
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  and we have San Francisco versus the Lions in the NFC.
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  This has been – I think it's cool we have Detroit in there.
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  I think – we talked about this last week, but I think everyone in the country
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  outside of other NFC North teams are rooting for the Lions for the most part in the NFC.
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  And then in the AFC, I think most people want the Ravens just because people
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  are sick of the Chiefs in a lot of respects.
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  I don't think anyone's sick of the Chiefs. I think everyone is sick of everything
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  that surrounds the Chiefs. Well, yeah.
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  But yeah, I think that's the one that we differed on last week that I got.
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  You picked Buffalo and I picked Kansas City. I should have been right, though.
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  I was very close to that damn kicker.
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  Yeah. Buffalo and wide right. It just can't get it.
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  It's never going to go away. Like Florida State. Yep. Never going to go away. That's going to come.
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  But I spoke about other NFC North teams, and we have someone on here who is
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  a representative of one of those teams, the Green Bay Packers.
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  And we're talking about Chris Burke. He's on our show every year around this time.
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  So we want to bring him back again for championship weekend. Chris, man, how are you?
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  Fantastic. You know, obviously, I wish the Packers were playing this weekend.
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  But, you know, I'm going to actually, you know, outside of the NFC North teams,
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  you know, this has been a popular discussion on Packers Twitter,
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  you know, is about are you rooting for Detroit?
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  And every new station in the area has put this up because I realize how much
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  of a hot topic a debate is. Right.
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  And it's pretty strong. It's either, it seems like they're, I don't care or
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  they're rooting for Detroit.
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  And I think a lot of it is just because Detroit's been, you know,
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  they've fallen on such hard times and, uh,
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  There's no bad blood, huh? No, there's not. Not with the Lions.
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  The Vikings or Bears, completely different story.
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  And I think personally, Garrett's going to hate me for this,
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  but I think there's an inherent comedy in the potential of the Vikings being
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  the only team in the division with all the Lombardi.
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  I think, you know, we were talking about that with a friend,
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  like that would be hilarious if the Vikings had been to four Super Bowls they haven't won one.
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  The Lions have never even been to one, and I think that would be utterly hilarious.
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  I mean, they've got a pretty tall, tall, tall climb to get there.
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  But I think I will never let him live it down.
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  You are. Peter, I gave you ammunition. Garrett, I'm so sorry.
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  That's great. I can't wait to use that. I really hope I get a chance to.
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  Yeah. You know, the Packers season obviously didn't even expect a playoff run.
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  It was house, you know, last week we kind of all went to, oh,
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  hey, it's house money. You know, great. They got the one. They blew out the Cowboys.
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  Now I get to apologize to Bill for that. Is he talking to you? Did you guys speak?
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  Not since. We talked a little bit before, but I have not spoken with Bill since.
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  He thought the McCarthy and we talked before the game. He thought a lot of the
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  McCarthy talk about him getting fired was nonsense.
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  But after getting blown out, there was obviously a lot of traction to that. Now he's on.
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  McCarthy's going back, which honestly I think is the right call and props to
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  Jerry Jones for showing some maturity at the age of 85 five or however old he
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  is and not doing that but yeah that's damn maybe that's the right math but,
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  it's skeletal at this point but it's just
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  uh yeah it's it's been a heck of a ride and i think this both are going to be
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  very good games this weekend i agree um let's quickly talk about the packers
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  season since you're here because it like i said it was kind of a pretty much
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  about jordan love right when he started to play better they started to win more
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  it just kind of coincided with with those things.
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  And I'm pretty sure that's what you guys were expecting this year.
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  This is going to be the year where we see if this guy is legitimate.
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  And he was, he was excellent. Like there's no other way to say it.
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  Yes. He threw that terrible interception.
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  Farvian. Yes. Farvian. Yes. Yes. To lose the game, but still they were in the game.
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  I mean, it was right there to be had. Neither quarterback played well,
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  the conditions weren't ideal.
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  Obviously it was rainy and the the ball was slippery and all that stuff.
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  So, but I, if I was sitting in your seat, I would feel encouraged.
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  I would feel encouraged.
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  I, I do. I mean, it's there, there's, you know, they've got a great foundation to build on.
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  They fired their defensive coordinator probably a year too late in my opinion,
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  but better late than never.
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  And I think, I honestly wonder if he would, but you know, if they didn't know
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  Jordan Love was going to be the guy now, they're like, we got a shot at this.
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  Let's change, you know, let's, let's spruce up this defense a little bit here
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  because of our coaching staff.
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  But yeah, he, you know, he, it was a little rough start at the beginning of
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  the year. We knew it was all about evaluating how it was going to be.
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  And I was not even, I'm like, if they even, if they win, If they got to last
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  year's mark of 8-9, I was going to be happy.
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  I would have been fine with that because it's an evaluation season.
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  The way it started, I was a little concerned in the beginning of the year,
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  so let's go through it a little bit if I could. In the beginning,
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  they come out and thump the Bears.
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  I think that was much more about where Chicago was at that point.
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  They were not a good football team earlier on in the year.
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  Go to Atlanta, start fast, fall back and collapse. It's like, okay, young team.
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  Then they were sitting at 3-6 at one point. and what
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  was concerning is you know it's it's one thing to let love go through it
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  but you want to see baby steps of improvement and i literally wasn't seeing
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  a lot of that or so i'm kind of like this is a little we might need to have
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  a conversation here well lo and behold they played detroit ironically enough
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  on thanksgiving yeah utterly just utterly destroyed the lions in detroit and
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  they took off from there that was the last time i rooted for the lions but.
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  Thanks pal appreciate that so no i'm nervous apparently i hate wisconsin according
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  to chris you know Peter does hate Wisconsin I'm a big Christian Yelich fan you watch your mouth,
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  he might not be out here we'll see how he does after the no don't even get me
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  going on the Brewers right oh boy.
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  It just, you know, he, he played well throughout the year. And when they got
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  to the playoffs, it's like, wow. Okay.
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  You know, this is how his money, you know, they got in at nine and eight.
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  And then something, the Cowboys, it's like, you know, I was telling somebody
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  like, don't you want to go to the Superbowl?
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  I said, it'd be great. But like that wildcard game, you know,
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  you walk into a casino and somebody comps you 20 bucks in chips or whatever.
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  You throw something in a slot machine and you win 10 grand.
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  That's kind of how I felt after that Cowboy game. Yeah. And so I'm like,
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  I, you know, I bet after the game against the 49ers, I'm like, why do I feel sad?
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  You know it's it's still like why do they keep doing
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  that to us you know it's one of those where you just don't the thing
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  about the cowboy game because the pack well the packers had that
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  game in hand against the 49ers that's why that love interception they could
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  have wrapped that game up much sooner yeah but you know the thing about the
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  cowboy game that really threw me off was that every network hyped up the legendary
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  rivalry of cowboys packers and we got a dud like i was so So in my head,
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  I'm hearing inside the NFL and the marching music,
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  and I'm thinking of the ice ball. Ice ball, yeah.
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  And then all of a sudden, you get to, what is it, midway through the first quarter,
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  it's like 30-0, and I'm like, oh, this is not what I wanted.
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  Something epic, and I wanted a showdown.
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  That was the best game I think Matt LaFleur has called since he's been there.
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  That might be a little bit of a hot take, but he was in his bag that game,
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  and that just showed, that they're going to be a force to be reckoned with.
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  This is not even a rebuild now. The next year, I can't wait for the NFC North
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  next year. I think it's just going to be a wide open battle.
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  It was very Yankees of you to just retool, not really rebuild in a sense. Yeah.
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  Everything wrote on pretty much how Jordan Love was going to play.
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  I mean, that's... Quarterback in the NFL is the position, obviously.
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  It's one of the positions in all sports. So...
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  When you have one, you're in better shape than when you don't.
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  It's just that simple. God knows that.
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  And this is the 2023 New York Jets. I know that very, very well.
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  Not just 2023. I could go back and talk about many years.
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  But it's when you think you have one and then the football gods rip it away.
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  I know. That hurts. I know.
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  Chris, I want to ask you now, what was it like for you as a Packer fan to watch
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  Rodgers just crash and burn through the first game.
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  And then what is it now like for you to watch his antics for someone who's now, he's not your guy.
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  He's on Pat McAfee talking about Epstein and Jimmy Kimmel and creating all this
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  drama and everyone's, it's a sideshow at Rodgers now.
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  It's all about what he says instead of him being on the field.
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  So what's it like now being so far attached from it and seeing it from the other side?
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  So when he got hurt, it sucked. sucked and i
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  number one he's somebody that we watched and admired for a long time
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  number two that we lost a first-round
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  draft pick that conditional pick that went to the jets if
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  he had played 65 of the stats this year what a
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  first-round pick that's true and it and it
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  probably the injury almost benefited the jets in a way when you
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  think about it that's kind of in a way it just yeah now it's a
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  second round pick it's a higher second round pick because the jets
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  were not that good so i mean i think you know how much
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  better with the jets probably that probably would have been in the i
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  think he would they would have been better i think it
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  probably would it probably would have been 18th to 20th yeah 18th or
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  20th range you know so if the depending on how the
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  packers had gone you know that that had no impact on that so green bay
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  is looking at two two first round picks at the back end you know i that would
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  have been great but in terms of you wanted him to start that's i i don't know
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  about the draft pick thing that's interesting i will we will yeah we will it's
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  it's harder i try not to root for anybody to get injured i really you know i
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  just i feel like that's tasteless.
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  The only ones that have even come close have been people that play the game dirty, reckless.
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  The two that come to my mind are Vontaze Perfect and Dominick and Sue,
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  who almost caused Rodgers an Achilles injury.
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  He was with the Rams. He didn't stomp. He tripped Rodgers. If Rodgers would
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  have ziggled instead of zag, I think he would have torn his ACL.
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  But then he stopped on having Dietrich Smith on that Thanksgiving game and rightfully got thrown out.
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  But even then, I still have a hard time doing it just because it's a game.
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  I hate seeing these guys get beat up.
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  But in terms of the sideshow, oh, boy, I wish I would have grabbed a bottle
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  of bourbon because I'm going to need it.
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  Not our circus, not our monkey. That's really kind of how I feel on that.
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  And Eric, I really am interested.
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  I think he would have been in front of the New York media much because he had
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  been hurt. He was in front of the media plenty.
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  We knew about him coming back. He was very vocal. I mean, I'm mad at you.
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  But he didn't face the New York media much. I feel like would he have taken
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  a little bit more of a beating had he been doing weekly availabilities and still talking like that?
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  If he's winning, no one would care. That's how it would go.
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  That's kind of how it was here. But when he started after that whole vaccinated
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  versus immunized debate, he lost money.
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  The Packers have a lot of connections with the health industry here.
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  A lot of medical providers were very hurt, spoke to me off the record.
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  I had something written about they felt betrayed on that.
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  If you're winning, this is America. You can believe what you want.
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  I'm not a big canceling guy, but you also have to realize if you're going to
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  say something outlandish, you got to live with the consequences.
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  Consequences so when he says that and somebody's
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  going to him oh and then he starts painting you know
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  he'll make it it's like lobbing the grenade and oh i'm the
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  victim i'm the victim like dude no you brought this on yourself you
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  know you say something stupid you got to bring it on and i think as tough
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  as he's looked you know if you read anything about aaron rogers
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  it's always been about a chip on the shoulder you know internally
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  despite this macho exterior inside i
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  think he's just an insecure little boy still inside from
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  whatever reason he's got that whole thing with his family which not our business
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  but the dynamics he is just a strange strange dude he is and i'm just glad that
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  that circus is no longer here and now all we had this discussion after this
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  you know jordan love is going to get not a world-breaking extension by any means
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  but he's going to get paid.
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  This spring you know and fame can change people and rogers was
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  not this way i'm we were all trying to pinpoint when when he took this dive
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  into crazy town and we can't seem to figure it out but I think at fame the MVPs
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  got to him and that's when he started jumping into the Iowa he didn't have a
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  support system his family was alienated,
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  Yeah, I mean, he's definitely weird, and in some instances, very interesting.
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  He's one of the most interesting people I've ever heard. Right?
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  You know, I just dunked on him for a little bit, but some of the stuff he's
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  talked about in terms of mental health and self-care, I've taken a hardness
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  to actually help me out in quite a few ways, too.
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  So I can't, you know, I think, Eric, I think I told you this in a tweet when
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  you were mocking me for bringing Rodgers up on one of my many locations. patience.
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  I said, you know, I said it's, I'm in a relationship with Aaron Rodgers and
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  it's complicated. I think that's kind of how our fan base feels.
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  As far as how the franchise feels, this is a little interesting nugget,
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  but I'll leave it at this.
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  If you go into the Packers pro shop right now, you know, they've got displays
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  of all the former players, former coaches.
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  There's still a display over there. There's still a photo, a big photo up in
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  there of Mike McCarthy after the Super Bowl.
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  There is nothing referring to Aaron Rodgers in there anymore.
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  There are no jerseys out. Sounds like A-Rod a little bit. He left the Yankees a little disgruntled.
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  Yeah, it must be an A-Rod thing, but they have the photo of and I'm so glad
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  I've got this photo. I just don't have it hanging up right now.
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  It's a photo of Favre, Starr and Rogers.
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  When they retired Favre's number in 2015, after Starr had that stroke,
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  I'm so glad they got that photo.
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  That's the only photo that's the only thing, anything of Aaron Rogers that I
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  can see that's in there. Interesting.
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  I don't know if that's got something to do with the NFLPA and rights.
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  Like I could be way, I could be putting a tinfoil cheese head on right now.
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  I, there may be, this could be an NFLPA thing. Whereas the coaches who cares,
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  but I found that kind of interesting, but long story short, I'm glad the circus is over.
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  Yeah. I could see how that circus could be a little bit of a distraction for
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  everyone. I mean, I'm not even a jets fan.
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  And I feel like I'm like, why are we talking about Rogers again?
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  It's it's, it's, it's funny, but he's, you know, So he's the quarterback of
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  a New York football team, so he's going to get the spotlight regardless.
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  I hope he's up for it next year. I'm dying to see what he can do a full season
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  post-game interviews, to be honest with you, because he's a very interesting interview.
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  All right, so this weekend, championship weekend, I already laid out the teams that we have.
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  We have the Baltimore Ravens and the Kansas City Chiefs.
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  Pete, who do you have?
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  I'm rooting for the Ravens. I think Kansas City is going to win the game.
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  Okay i just kansas city they i feel like they should have lost in buffalo and
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  we are just destined to be trolled by donna kelsey for at least another two weeks.
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  Okay, Chris, what about you, man? I think this is going to be,
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  this is Baltimore's time.
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  I think it's going, I think Lamar Jackson's playing well enough.
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  He's probably going to be the league MVP again.
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  Just, I feel like Kansas City is just off a little bit enough,
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  and I think Baltimore is just too well coached. I think Baltimore is going to
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  win, but it's going to be close.
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  Yeah, I've been kicking this one back and forth all week, and I'm not really
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  sure what. It's a tough pick, really. Yeah, I'm not really sure.
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  There's a lot of factors involved. i do think the way the ravens have been playing
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  they should win i think they've been the best team for a while in the afc now
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  so i think like they should be the team that wins but i don't know man it's
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  tough for me to pick against mahomes and and kelsey and and andy reed they are,
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  i don't know have they only lost to tom
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  brady in the playoffs is that true he's got two playoff losses in
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  my homes and they both into brady i think so that's a
• 20:37
  very interesting stat i kind hope that keeps going didn't cincinnati didn't
• 20:40
  burrow beat them okay burrow beat them too all right
• 20:43
  so he might have yeah so yeah
• 20:46
  i thought cincinnati won the nfc championship or
• 20:49
  the nfc championship and they did they lost the rams that's right yeah yeah
• 20:53
  yeah so i mean i don't know i just have a really hard time this time of year
• 20:57
  picking against those two guys of those three guys but i kind of i'm kind of
• 21:02
  siding with chris i just think it's baltimore's time so i'm gonna to pick the Ravens?
• 21:07
  I think only one Harbaugh could win a championship in a given year,
• 21:10
  so I think we've already fulfilled that.
• 21:13
  Alright, so NFC, we have the Detroit Lions traveling to San Francisco to play the 49ers.
• 21:20
  Chris, I'll start with you on this one. Who do you have?
• 21:24
  Boy, San Francisco did not play well against the Packers, so I think they're
• 21:29
  going to bounce back, but I feel like Detroit's kind of riding that team of
• 21:33
  destiny wave right now. I'm going to pick Detroit. Thank you.
• 21:37
  Just because there's a vibe around them that it's a different team.
• 21:42
  And I don't know. This one's a gut feeling more than anything statistically.
• 21:46
  I mean, San Francisco's a very well-coached team, but I feel like Goff is the
• 21:50
  more steady quarterback right now over Purdy. Sure.
• 21:53
  Okay. I know that's the interesting one for me.
• 21:57
  Of all the quarterbacks in this, those two, I mean, Goff obviously is playing
• 22:01
  the Super Bowl, so he's not a bad quarterback by any stretch,
• 22:04
  But they're not as high profile as Jackson and Mahomes are, right?
• 22:07
  So that's kind of the way this has worked out.
• 22:10
  Pete, what about you? Who do you have? I am rooting for the Adam Snow movie
• 22:14
  show. Like, I'm going all in on the Lions.
• 22:17
  I'm really pulling for Adam and the Lions here.
• 22:21
  Yeah, I just, I don't know if we're, like, it kind of reminds me almost of,
• 22:27
  like, Packers, Cowboys in a way. Like, I feel like this game is going to be
• 22:30
  really built up in favor of the lions and someone's going to get blown out.
• 22:34
  And I, I don't want it to be the lions, but I just, you know,
• 22:37
  like, it just, it just seems like everyone's focused on really that game because
• 22:40
  of Detroit and how bad they've been and they've never been to a super bowl.
• 22:43
  And everyone thinks of the winless season and Matt Millen and all the wide receivers,
• 22:47
  right? Like you just can't have those ugly throwback uniforms.
• 22:50
  I used to wear on Thanksgiving with no logo. Yes.
• 22:54
  The line. I don't know anything of a positive about the lions outside of Barry Barry Sanders.
• 22:58
  I guess you could throw Charlie Batch in there for a little bit,
• 23:01
  but I just feel like the. Calvin Johnson.
• 23:04
  Don't forget Megatron. Yeah. Yeah. But he was also part of the very bad line.
• 23:08
  I feel like they were at their worst with Megatron. Yes. Oh boy.
• 23:11
  It's a, it's a rough, it's a rough period of time. And Stafford was a part of
• 23:15
  that too. So, you know, like I just, I just really rooted for the lions.
• 23:19
  I just, I can't help it. Like I don't normally root against the classic team,
• 23:23
  like the Niners. Like I usually kind of want those teams to win championships
• 23:26
  and continue their legacy. But I don't know. I like the rest of the country.
• 23:30
  I'm just the darling of the world right now, of the sports world,
• 23:33
  of the Lions. So that's it. I'm going with Detroit.
• 23:36
  The Lions-Chiefs would be a great AFL throwback, AFL-NFL.
• 23:40
  The Lions are an AFL team? I didn't know that. No, the Lions were an NFL team,
• 23:43
  but the Chiefs were an AFL team.
• 23:45
  Oh, I got what you're saying. The Lions have been around. I mean,
• 23:47
  the NFC North, all four of those teams have been around. The Vikings are probably,
• 23:50
  I think the Vikings might be the newest.
• 23:52
  Yeah. Maybe not. I mean, it's close. I mean, the Packers and Bears have been
• 23:55
  around for over 100 years.
• 23:56
  Detroit's not far behind. And Minnesota's, well, they had 50.
• 24:00
  They've been around almost 70 years, too, because they had 50 years and 20 times. So, yeah.
• 24:05
  Wow. Okay, cool. That's interesting. Yeah. So this is another one that's been tough. I agree.
• 24:11
  Chris said the Niners didn't play well last week. They didn't.
• 24:15
  So then my head says, well, maybe they got it out of their system, right?
• 24:18
  Maybe this week we're going to be clicking on all cylinders and they'll be playing up to their best.
• 24:23
  If that happens and if Debo Samuel plays, I do think San Francisco is going to win.
• 24:28
  I'm rooting for Detroit, but I'm going to pick the 49ers.
• 24:32
  But I do hope Detroit wins that I'm just picking them because my,
• 24:36
  my analysis tells me that they should win.
• 24:40
  But my, my sentimental choice of course is the lions.
• 24:43
  And I would not hate at all a lions chiefs to a bowl.
• 24:48
  I kind of don't want San Francisco and the Chiefs, though, I guess.
• 24:53
  Well, have you guys seen that Super Bowl logo?
• 24:58
  I mean, that 12 brought up the logo conspiracy theory that the last several
• 25:02
  years, you go back and look at the Super Bowl logos, the teams that are playing
• 25:07
  the games, the colors have been in the logo.
• 25:09
  Interesting. If you look at this year's logo, it's got the Ravens and 49ers
• 25:15
  logos, colors in there. It's like purple, black, yellow. And if you go look at it, I'm not kidding.
• 25:22
  People really want the NFL to be rigged. I really do think people want it to be more rigged than not.
• 25:28
  This, I feel like, is more of a tongue-in-cheek one, because when asked about
• 25:31
  this, it was on last time. I forgot.
• 25:34
  Maybe it was on McAfee, but Rodgers goes, well, if it ends up being San Francisco
• 25:38
  and Baltimore, there better be some Jets green in that logo next year.
• 25:42
  There's a couple of teams that have a similar shade of green. you know.
• 25:49
  Yeah yeah and i guess packers a little
• 25:51
  yeah oh god packers just depending on the light jets and
• 25:55
  the eagles have a similar shade of green though dude i don't
• 25:58
  think i don't think there's enough um energy for that kind of a super bowl a
• 26:04
  packers super bowl would be would be just what the nfl wants in every i would
• 26:10
  love to talk to the two of you next year before a packers jet Okay,
• 26:15
  let me just put this out there.
• 26:16
  If the Jets make the Super Bowl, you guys might not be able to find me.
• 26:22
  Eric will be in the Super Bowl city basically claiming his territory for a month
• 26:29
  in advance. Anyone even gets down there.
• 26:32
  It's in New Orleans next year. It's a heck of a... Probably best Super Bowl.
• 26:36
  It's going to be crawfish and Aunt Cindy all month for Eric Holzman.
• 26:40
  Let me tell you. No, I don't know what I would do, honestly.
• 26:45
  Just making it, just getting there. If they ever won...
• 26:49
  Dead i'm dead i'm gonna
• 26:52
  go out as some kind of bourbon for everyone's window
• 26:55
  eric holt is a man to not be stopped we
• 26:58
  that's that's the super bowl that we thought we were gonna get a few years ago
• 27:01
  and it was packer steelers the jets almost beat pittsburgh that game if i remember
• 27:05
  so we almost got that game yeah yeah i know rex ryan the rex right jets in a
• 27:11
  super bowl like it stinks people People have never said before.
• 27:15
  No, they have once. Not since 1998. Oh, well, not my, yeah, I guess not.
• 27:20
  Not your last time, but yeah.
• 27:22
  I remember they, then they had the game against the Broncos in 98.
• 27:25
  You know, that was the last L.A. Oh.
• 27:27
  They had Parcells, yeah. That game.
• 27:30
  I think L.A.'s last year was 99. Were they ahead at halftime,
• 27:33
  the Jets? They were winning 10-0, yeah.
• 27:35
  Everything that, like. In Denver. That was, that was the Murphy's Law game,
• 27:40
  I call it, because Curtis Martin never fumbles fumbled.
• 27:43
  It was the weirdest game ever but that's why jet fans are the way they are because
• 27:49
  but you got them back like you brought brian cox killed terrell davis.
• 27:56
  My cousin's a broncos fan who's still hates the jets maybe more than the raiders
• 28:01
  because of that game yeah and then and then we never then they created tom brady
• 28:05
  we never saw tom brady if mo lewis doesn't knock out drew bledsoe we never hear
• 28:10
  of tom brady tom brady never gets to start So the Jets aren't a poverty franchise.
• 28:15
  They're a catalyst franchise.
• 28:17
  Exactly. That's the best way to put it. For somebody else's franchise.
• 28:21
  They just do things and benefit other teams.
• 28:25
  So crazy, man. I can relate to a lot of the other fan bases that haven't been successful.
• 28:34
  So like Minnesota, those fan bases.
• 28:38
  Well no but it things happen
• 28:42
  to them too right i could say that and that's how i
• 28:44
  feel as a jet fan so when things happen to them i'm like i could
• 28:47
  kind of what is your i just to harp on wado here what is your equivalent jets
• 28:53
  wise to the minnesota miracle like well it wasn't is there anything it wasn't
• 28:57
  a playoff game but the monday night miracle against the the dolphins when they
• 29:02
  were down 30 to 6 or something like that okay and they wound up and they wound up winning,
• 29:07
  That was one of the best games I've ever seen.
• 29:12
  I'll never forget the picture of Jason Taylor egging people on from the sideline
• 29:17
  and like, ha, ha, ha, goodbye.
• 29:19
  And then when Jumbo Elliott caught the touchdown in the end zone.
• 29:23
  I remember that game. Yeah, that game was just insane and so much fun to watch as a Jets fan.
• 29:29
  Weren't the Jets part of the Heidi game too? Yeah, they were.
• 29:33
  Eric, do you remember the Marino fake spike? Of course I do. Okay.
• 29:38
  I'm just curious. I didn't play against the Jets. I did not play against the Jets.
• 29:42
  Yeah, and he threw it. Aaron Glenn was a pretty good cornerback.
• 29:48
  He was a Pro Bowl-level cornerback, and he got him on that.
• 29:52
  So yeah, I remember that game as well.
• 29:55
  Eric, I've been to a Jets game at Lambeau before, and I gotta say, Fireman Ed was there.
• 30:00
  But I've met some of the Jets fans, honestly, are some of the best fans in the
• 30:03
  league. It's probably just because of tolerance.
• 30:05
  They hang in there. I don't know. They're very tolerant. When I went to Dallas,
• 30:09
  I've been to a Jets and a a giants game and i gotta say i like the jets fans
• 30:12
  for whatever reason are a little more polite.
• 30:17
  There's reasons for that i could i could tell you them but i
• 30:20
  don't want anyone to hate me so i'll just keep it moving
• 30:23
  and yeah yeah we'll keep going forward here
• 30:26
  there's a violence i gotcha yeah yeah i don't want
• 30:28
  to choose violence on the show today all right so
• 30:31
  i'll write down the pics lock them in
• 30:34
  i'll post them on the in the group the facebook group
• 30:37
  so we have them for posterity i'll post it tonight because
• 30:40
  i don't get to show up i want it to be up for tomorrow so uh we'll have them
• 30:44
  up there all right that's it holds me just thinking about the audience he's
• 30:48
  yes he's a yes eric is a man of the people we knew that i knew that i try two
• 30:52
  best appearances i try all right so we're gonna go we're gonna go through some of our news,
• 30:58
  we're not it's not gonna be as much as usual but we'll go through some of the
• 31:01
  stories that we heard this week that are going on in fandom and pop culture
• 31:04
  like we always do and first i want to start with because this news kind of made
• 31:09
  me happy daredevil born again has restarted production,
• 31:14
  of course the read this is revamped this is the revamped daredevil and we've
• 31:20
  seen we have seen pictures of both perrin and foggy floating around the net
• 31:27
  as part of the production So it appears that those rumors might necessarily be true.
• 31:35
  So first of all, what do you guys think? Chris, let's ask you first,
• 31:39
  because you haven't been on the show.
• 31:40
  What do you think of them switching gears and going from whatever,
• 31:44
  I guess, more lighthearted version of them they were going to do?
• 31:47
  Could it go back to the more Netflix stylized version of the character?
• 31:51
  I think that might be kind of what Marvel might need right now.
• 31:56
  There's obviously a lot of similarities between Daredevil and Batman.
• 31:58
  I mean, I think that's, you know, there's no way to go there.
• 32:02
  There and i think you know seeing ben affleck's return to bed all besides
• 32:05
  besides bad luck we are oh whoa i am
• 32:08
  not gonna get i am not gonna get you going on that i am
• 32:11
  not gonna i am not gonna get the zaddy going on that one but you
• 32:15
  know i think i feel like that's kind of the way to go with the way it's you
• 32:18
  know i think people are more into you gotta shake things up a little bit formula
• 32:22
  wise you know when marvel's been you know they gotta reinvent themselves a little
• 32:25
  bit because you know comic book movies you know there's been a lot of debate
• 32:28
  on where and maybe even tv shows too i I guess we can include in that on where they're going.
• 32:33
  And I think, you know, reinventing it, going back that way, you know,
• 32:36
  I think is definitely the way to go. That's at least that's how I feel.
• 32:39
  Yeah. I mean, yeah, I agree. I mean, I do think it was a smart move.
• 32:43
  They brought back the old stunt and fight coordinator, Phil. So there is his name.
• 32:49
  So that's another sign that, yeah, we're going to get more of that version of the character.
• 32:54
  And like I said, we saw some pictures of, of both foggy and Karen back.
• 32:59
  If you're looking around the internet it's been kind of hard to miss,
• 33:03
  people have been posting them so I'm sorry for spoiling it for me Eric I missed
• 33:07
  it now I know I got to there I appreciate it spoiler alert not really but for the show,
• 33:12
  but for the show's purpose yeah for the show I wanted to put it out there so
• 33:17
  so yeah reproduction we're going forward show's still coming.
• 33:24
  I'm still amazed that the MCU thought that their Daredevil was so bad they had
• 33:28
  to go back and borrow somebody else's.
• 33:30
  The current MCU is just a shell of itself, really.
• 33:34
  They're literally just taking everything that has come before and recycling again.
• 33:38
  If you really want to talk about recycled bullshit, that is what the MCU has
• 33:42
  become because they're not even coming up with fresh ideas.
• 33:44
  They're taking other people's ideas and just sticking their label on it.
• 33:48
  It's very fascinating to me because this is nothing more than season four of Daredevil.
• 33:54
  Essentially, they spent so long trying to keep them separate.
• 33:57
  Like, I've said this before. This isn't anything new, but they basically,
• 34:00
  you know, Redhead Stepchild, the Netflix first Netflix verse for so long.
• 34:06
  And now they're kind of hoping it's what saves them, right?
• 34:10
  You know, you're banking on the identity of what somebody else created.
• 34:14
  And it's not even it doesn't even fit in with what you've been doing for the last 20 movies.
• 34:19
  Well they're it's the recycling they're recycling
• 34:22
  other people's ideas but they're also kind of recycling their own
• 34:25
  i mean i know there's comic basis in you
• 34:28
  know ironheart and you know sam wilson captain america
• 34:31
  you know it's like they're kind of like revamping the avengers
• 34:35
  to you know there was that rumor that they were going to bring back
• 34:37
  you know robert downey jr that turned it's like the facsimile squad
• 34:41
  correct exactly exactly it's like
• 34:43
  i you know i can't believe
• 34:47
  you know feige as good as he did with that you know we'll
• 34:49
  call it the infinities the infinity saga i think they call it yeah
• 34:52
  the thanos era you know as good of a job that they did there but
• 34:55
  they didn't have the foresight for what comes next you know
• 34:58
  endgame does all this and they're kind of like okay well oh crap what do we do
• 35:01
  like i'll be honest maybe they just had
• 35:04
  one story in them and that was the infinity saga maybe there is no
• 35:07
  other story to follow it up with because they just they don't have a good one
• 35:12
  to come up with they were maybe they just had the one story yeah they were victim
• 35:15
  of their own success because after the infinity saga they tried to do what everyone
• 35:20
  said like just put out these solo films and they were doing that but everyone's so used to.
• 35:25
  They're having some kind of connective story people are like where's the
• 35:27
  story what are we supposed like what are we supposed to write right right right
• 35:30
  so it was kind of a kind of a double edged sword at the end because you know
• 35:36
  you had great success with that method and they tried something different it
• 35:39
  just didn't people wouldn't catch on so i also think the quality of their Their
• 35:43
  movies are a huge step down from when they first tried to do this.
• 35:45
  I mean, you're talking about, like, the Eternals. There's things like that that are huge, just misses.
• 35:51
  Captain Marvel 2. What else was a big miss for them? Outside of,
• 35:55
  like, Guardians 3, like, what was their big miss? Ant-Man, Quantumania.
• 35:57
  That bombed as well. Like, the first two Ant-Man were huge hits. Shang-Chi did well.
• 36:02
  Shang-Chi did good. It was a very good movie. Doctor Strange,
• 36:05
  Multiverse of Madness financially did well.
• 36:08
  Um i enjoy that one a lot too but i'm trying to think i
• 36:11
  feel like with this this run of the mcu movies is more
• 36:14
  negative than positive spider-man obviously they're
• 36:17
  gonna they're gonna have to
• 36:18
  do something with the next spider the next spider-man is gonna have to be
• 36:20
  huge but i guess they're still waiting on whether or not
• 36:23
  tom holland's gonna do it right yeah i mean we we
• 36:26
  reported a few weeks ago that he's actually part of development with
• 36:29
  the story if if he indeed comes back and
• 36:32
  pete kind of things yeah well there's there's rumors
• 36:35
  now that sony and marvel just completely disagree on what
• 36:38
  to do with the next movie so you know there's rumors that
• 36:41
  sony wants to dive double down on
• 36:44
  mcguire and and garfield field yeah and marvel wants to move ahead with holland
• 36:50
  and so this is it like we're back in we're back here again before we were no
• 36:55
  way home where sony's gonna pull spider-man away and they're gonna do what they
• 37:00
  want and i bet you we're gonna see more,
• 37:02
  mcguire and and garfield i just i just have
• 37:05
  a feeling sony's pulled it away once and they got what they wanted don't think
• 37:08
  that they're gonna be afraid to pull it away again and just do their own thing because they
• 37:11
  they're very confident in themselves for whatever goddamn reason with this venom
• 37:16
  morbius madame webb bullshit they're very confident in themselves and then off
• 37:20
  the spider-verse movies the animated stuff they think they got an idea i'm telling
• 37:24
  you right now they're sony feels very high on themselves do not be surprised
• 37:28
  if they pull spider-man away away from Marvel. They can't agree.
• 37:30
  Give Peter Parker one more movie, I think, or whatever they want to do.
• 37:36
  The Spider-Verse, the animated movies, that trilogy will rest,
• 37:39
  and then maybe you jump into a live-action Miles Morales.
• 37:41
  I know that's been rumored, but it hasn't developed. You've got an established
• 37:46
  alternate version of a big character now, whereas... You probably should just
• 37:50
  start off with a Miles Morales movie. Or you probably could.
• 37:53
  And just have both of them. I don't know.
• 37:55
  Yeah, Peter in the MCU and Miles doing his own thing. Have that have that third
• 37:59
  animated movie end with a post credit scene and a live action roll it out that
• 38:02
  way like I mean they're going to connect it somehow anyway I mean it can't be
• 38:06
  any worse than the connected tissue between that and Venom,
• 38:09
  Correct. Be honest. But it's all got to connect.
• 38:13
  It's all got to connect. In the MCU, it kind of does. Sony might as well be
• 38:17
  Warner Brothers at this point. They're going to recycle and they're going to
• 38:19
  try to run the well dry and guess what?
• 38:21
  That well has been dry for a while. I mean, this is...
• 38:27
  I was going to say the worst thing that happened was Venom making money.
• 38:31
  Correct. If Venom didn't make money, they probably don't continue going forward with any of this.
• 38:37
  How bad did the second one do oh god
• 38:40
  it wasn't i feel like it wasn't stuck
• 38:42
  i have a lot of i have issues with the second movie i
• 38:46
  have a lot of issues i'm just talking financially i mean
• 38:48
  i guess it didn't equal the first it didn't but
• 38:51
  they're making a third one so it made it i feel
• 38:55
  like i might justify a third yeah is that a covet that was
• 38:57
  a covet era release right i think so that might have
• 39:00
  heard that might have heard it okay i think it was yes but
• 39:03
  people love hardy in this role like i like the
• 39:06
  first Venom myself to be honest with you I think it's it's a
• 39:09
  guilty pleasure movie for me the second one I haven't even
• 39:12
  really revisited it but you weren't alone Pete because the first
• 39:15
  one made a ton of money made a ton of money yep yeah so a
• 39:18
  lot of people but I'll admit it's it's a Venom one
• 39:21
  is a really solid like 1999 comic book
• 39:24
  movie you know screw source material we'll be faithful just enough we'll give
• 39:29
  you Jameson sprinkles here well you know that we'll do this that over there
• 39:32
  and then you know it's not really going to come out to much but it's venom yeah
• 39:36
  well we talked a little we you mentioned madam webb as we're in this now sony
• 39:42
  verse of of villain movies because.
• 39:44
  That's kind of what this really is we haven't
• 39:47
  seen craven yet so we'll see how that goes as well we know
• 39:51
  madam webb is coming out pete and i have covered it pretty extensively
• 39:54
  from the first i think on location site that they
• 39:58
  mentioned when they first started repping out 1996 corollas yeah
• 40:02
  i remember we were
• 40:05
  we were talking about it so it's coming and dakota
• 40:08
  johnson who's the star has been speaking more and
• 40:10
  more lately apparently she got to do some driving and her own stunt work driving
• 40:15
  so she's very very proud of herself look at this tom cruise yeah so she drove
• 40:20
  an ambulance a taxi she drove everything in the movie and she's really really
• 40:26
  yeah she said watch out tom cruise and yeah so,
• 40:30
  that's cool she's kind of doing her own stuff I think that's cool,
• 40:34
  I just I'm glad that there's some action in this movie because I have no idea
• 40:37
  what it's really about like I just we don't know anything about this it's about
• 40:40
  a man in web that I'm not really that familiar with myself it's not my favorite
• 40:44
  version of the character so we'll see what goes on with it but again it.
• 40:48
  It's a Sony Spider-Man less Spider-Man movie I don't know what to I know what
• 40:53
  to expect but I just I don't know how people react to it,
• 40:57
  Yes, I do. Yeah, my standards are low on this one.
• 41:01
  Personally, I just I don't see this being much. It might be a more of a niche type film.
• 41:08
  Maybe might get some home video traction.
• 41:12
  But yeah, I don't see this being any. It almost feels like Sony was like,
• 41:16
  remember the Birds of Prey movie? Let's do one of those.
• 41:19
  Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I never thought of that, but that's a good analogy.
• 41:24
  That is a very good analogy. I didn't either, but yeah.
• 41:27
  So it's set in 2003. As if we didn't know, there you go.
• 41:32
  As I mentioned on the last show, the fact that I think it has Sidney Sweeney
• 41:36
  and Isabella Merced and people that are in this film that are popular now.
• 41:41
  The Nico Caruso hot list.
• 41:43
  Yeah, I think you're going to get people watching it just because,
• 41:47
  oh, Sidney Sweeney's in it. I want to go see it.
• 41:49
  I think there's a certain cinephile attraction
• 41:52
  to this because of who's in it right like
• 41:55
  i don't know each one of these
• 41:58
  girls is a twitter like just i don't
• 42:01
  know a hot word like i
• 42:04
  see their names trending on the internet all the time so i i feel like they're
• 42:08
  banking a lot on pr name recognition here which they probably should because
• 42:12
  i don't know if anyone's really even knows what this movie's about outside of
• 42:17
  especially outside of fandom i i don't think within fandom many people are excited
• 42:20
  for it mostly because Cause it's got the name Sony attached to it.
• 42:23
  Yeah. Yeah. So the director is CJ Clarkson.
• 42:27
  She was speaking about it. Cause everyone's saying, you know,
• 42:30
  because it's in, it's a Spider-Man character and it's in the Sony verse and,
• 42:34
  you know, could it be an MCU connection?
• 42:36
  She says, no, it's a standalone world.
• 42:39
  She had free reign and let the movie be what it needed to be.
• 42:42
  So, and she said that was a gift. So I'm assuming that as we've all known and
• 42:47
  seen that a lot of directors are kind of like, yeah, okay, maybe I'll do that.
• 42:51
  Can I make my film when it comes to working with Marvel?
• 42:55
  And she got, she got free reign to do what she wants to do. So,
• 42:58
  well, she's not really working with Marvel.
• 43:00
  That's the thing. She's more, it's a Sony. I just, I'm like,
• 43:04
  I'm like, so I'm not going to see Jared Leto pop up in this and you're not going
• 43:08
  to try to take on Spider-Man like the last one you guys did.
• 43:12
  I mean, that's the thing. You don't know until we see it.
• 43:16
  Who's to say in post they're not going to go back or that they didn't go back and add?
• 43:20
  I want to see Keaton pop up in the next one. Like he was like,
• 43:22
  I want to know what goes on here.
• 43:25
  Or am I just going to get another Mark Strong Sinestro? Or that's it.
• 43:29
  And that's just sort of this.
• 43:31
  Yeah, I don't know. But we'll see. The movie is coming out. Have you seen Morbius, Chris?
• 43:37
  Unfortunately, no. Or fortunately, no, I should say.
• 43:40
  You should see Morbius. you should see more of this i just i i watched the trailer
• 43:45
  i'm like did i just watch a preview of just a car crash compilation like i i
• 43:49
  saw keaton's cameo at the end of the movie,
• 43:52
  oh you know what i did see that i did see the like you know i'm like i'm not
• 43:56
  gonna sit through all that but i saw them like why the hell is the vulture in
• 44:01
  here like it's i don't understand,
• 44:03
  because if you go back and look at the trailers they they have a completely different
• 44:06
  interaction interaction yeah it's in the trailers i
• 44:09
  know so it's good see that's yeah i love
• 44:12
  it threw me off i was like what the hell sony man
• 44:15
  yeah as i'm saying like madame webb dude madame webb is going to be something
• 44:19
  dude it's going to be something to witness it may be a complete dumpster fire
• 44:24
  or it may be guilty pleasure you may it may actually be good i don't know but
• 44:28
  it's going to be something to check out they need to be happy they make good electronics because.
• 44:35
  I don't know what's going to happen with this one.
• 44:38
  But I'm still praying, guys, fans, talk to whoever you need to talk to at Sony
• 44:43
  to get Pete and I at the damn premiere. That's what we want.
• 44:47
  I want a picture of Eric with Sidney Sweeney. And Dakota Johnson and Isabella
• 44:53
  Merced and all the rest of the cast would be cool.
• 44:56
  And I'll be going into work the day after the premiere shenanigans at Madam
• 44:59
  Web Premiere. I'll be like, oh, God, what the hell did those two get into?
• 45:02
  Well, I got to put it on Green Bay TV. No, sorry, boys.
• 45:06
  That's perfectly fine so you mentioned
• 45:10
  ironheart and ironheart has as concluded
• 45:14
  filming so it began filming back
• 45:17
  in june of 2022 and but through the strikes of
• 45:20
  course there were probably slowdowns but dominique thorn who's playing
• 45:22
  riri williams who we saw in wakanda forever as well
• 45:25
  she's reprising her role and will be the filming has concluded she said she
• 45:31
  can she says i can say strap in and get ready it will be a ride much like they
• 45:34
  all are it's an epic journey and one that i'm very excited to share so i actually
• 45:39
  liked her character in wakanda forever this is another,
• 45:43
  like another character that i don't know much about it's a six episode series
• 45:47
  on disney plus of course it also stars alden ehrenreich anthony ramos lyric
• 45:51
  ross and sasha baron cohen.
• 45:54
  So where's your guys? I guess I'll ask both of you. Where do you guys have any
• 46:00
  interest in this? Are you going to watch it?
• 46:02
  I forgot all about it until this article. I forgot all about it.
• 46:06
  I personally didn't really like Wakanda forever. Really? Like it's a good movie.
• 46:11
  I just didn't really enjoy it.
• 46:12
  So like it's her character, just like nothing that movie really sticks out to
• 46:16
  me, to be honest with you, that includes iron heart.
• 46:18
  So I'm not really into it. I don't know.
• 46:20
  I, I got to check out echo first. first it's on my list yeah the the beginning
• 46:27
  of wakanda forever so the stuff with the t'challa funeral i thought was incredible
• 46:30
  pulled up my heartstrings you know obviously after you know,
• 46:36
  chadwick's sad passing so i thought that was great but it took so much out of
• 46:39
  me emotionally that i had trouble maybe that's i'm kind of in the same boat
• 46:42
  as you pete it kind of wasn't you know i feel like the beginning took so much
• 46:46
  out of me that it was hard to enjoy the rest of the movie, if that makes any sense. Yeah.
• 46:52
  But, you know, I love the Tony Stark character, and I just like,
• 46:56
  you know, this... I really hope she kind of...
• 46:59
  I had read rumors of, you know, like a Robert Downey Jr.
• 47:03
  AI thing in there, you know, being her version of Jarvis or Friday, you know.
• 47:07
  I thought that would kind of be a cool trick, but I'm interested in it just
• 47:10
  because, you know, I kind of dug a little bit into the comics,
• 47:13
  and I'm like, this is an interesting character, you know, in terms not just of,
• 47:18
  the representation of what it can mean for African-American girls seeing somebody
• 47:21
  in the STEM field like that, which is important.
• 47:24
  But it's a unique character in the sense that she's picking up kind of where
• 47:31
  Tony Stark left off in that.
• 47:32
  And I'm really interested to see how this works, because that's where I think
• 47:36
  Marvel is trying to set this up as.
• 47:38
  She's the RDJ successor, which those are big shoes to fill for anybody.
• 47:42
  Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's Remy Williams character almost represents what I think Marvel is doing wrong.
• 47:48
  And it's like, instead of just continuing on making Iron Man movies are trying
• 47:53
  to make something similar with a different character.
• 47:56
  I just feel like you should have just honestly never have killed Robert Downey Jr.
• 48:00
  And just kept going. Like I just Iron Man movies are very popular and just,
• 48:04
  and it's the whole thing about the shared universe. versus now you're handcuffed,
• 48:08
  you know, unless you bring an Iron Man from like Earth 35, you know,
• 48:12
  or you do a prequel before I end game or something like that, right?
• 48:16
  You know, this Robert Downey Jr.'s dad or something like that.
• 48:18
  So it's just, I don't know.
• 48:21
  There's a lot that kind of rubs me the wrong way just with the MCU,
• 48:25
  and this is like kind of one of those things.
• 48:26
  Because you can't undo that, because if you lessen that sacrifice that he made
• 48:31
  in that movie, you're destroying that movie.
• 48:35
  You're destroying the most profitable movie of all time. But at the same time,
• 48:38
  imagine if you're like a hardcore Iron Man fan. Right. That's it.
• 48:42
  I mean, I know you've got this great Iron Man throughout. out you know
• 48:45
  he's got a trilogy he's basically two trilogies basically
• 48:48
  in three avengers right right how many avengers movies was he in
• 48:50
  he basically got more than two trilogies essentially right like
• 48:54
  that's six movies you know like fun but again like
• 48:57
  that's it though that's i don't know unless i'm being greedy i
• 49:00
  just feel like civil civil war to me was iron man three and
• 49:03
  a half two so i mean i think i that counts as i
• 49:05
  think a partial iron man see i'm looking at it also from like a
• 49:08
  captain america's perspective because i got two really good captain america movies
• 49:11
  i got him in an avengers half an avengers film
• 49:14
  a bunch of them but like i don't know like i want to see him do more
• 49:17
  captain america stuff like i thought hugo weaving was great the red skull i
• 49:21
  would have loved to seen him come back stuff like that i just yep you know i
• 49:25
  wanted more cap and i'm just not going to get it i mean i'll get sam but and
• 49:28
  i enjoyed falcon winter soldier but you know steve rogers my god well i mean
• 49:33
  the red skull thing that's you know imagine imagine,
• 49:35
  doing that like to a to a joker you know that's kind of the captain america's
• 49:39
  number one villain You kind of just don't, you don't do that to that main villain,
• 49:43
  but yeah, that missed opportunity there. I agree completely.
• 49:47
  Yeah, I mean, I do agree. I thought I enjoyed both of the first two Captain
• 49:52
  America movies. I even enjoyed Civil War to an extent.
• 49:55
  Yeah, I'm with you. I'm with you, too. Yeah, it's just not...
• 49:58
  They just shouldn't have called it Captain America thing.
• 50:00
  They could have just called it Civil War, and it would have been fine,
• 50:03
  but I know Captain America Civil War... They had trouble naming the Captain
• 50:05
  America movies because I feel like Winter Soldier is actually like the rise and fall of Hydra.
• 50:10
  Like, it's not really about the Winter Soldier. He's just in there causing a
• 50:12
  ruckus. You know what I'm saying?
• 50:13
  Right. It's still my favorite Marvel movie. i still think it's the best marvel
• 50:18
  movie yeah that's my favorite yeah i agree i agree so and it's directed by people i don't like.
• 50:25
  That's all i praise i have for it but the way they
• 50:28
  set this thing up it's like real life progression
• 50:31
  so you know you want to have stakes people have to
• 50:34
  die you want to yeah that's true i just i don't know superhero movies
• 50:37
  it's that it's not real life no i
• 50:40
  agree with you i just go there to escape i got you trust me
• 50:43
  pete if this doesn't work they're gonna end the whole thing and they will
• 50:46
  reboot from the beginning and start this all
• 50:48
  over again i don't know man i don't know like i have
• 50:51
  to can the mcu do that i mean eventually you
• 50:54
  can just say yeah we're ending it and then they can do like one
• 50:57
  kind of wrap-up film show whatever they want to do everyone's coming back for
• 51:01
  that and then yeah and then just a couple years maybe five years later say hey
• 51:05
  we want to try this again with a completely younger cast and all the people
• 51:08
  telling me the mcu is gonna wait five years to release i they can't wait five
• 51:11
  months well contractually they might not be able I don't know how the rights things work.
• 51:15
  So contractually, you might have to be like, yes, we have to make a movie every blah, blah years.
• 51:21
  Maybe. I don't know. I don't know the contracts, but that's a Superman thing.
• 51:24
  Yeah. So I'm just thinking I'm trying to think, though, but if these things
• 51:28
  continue to fall off and aren't making the money they once made,
• 51:31
  eventually they're going to have to do something.
• 51:34
  So I'm interested to see what happens. It's this time is almost way more interesting
• 51:38
  than when they were actually making hit after hit after hit.
• 51:41
  Like, it's like, well, what do you do? How do you pivot? What's your plan?
• 51:44
  Like, you know, I'm not one of those people who's like screaming about a plan,
• 51:47
  but I'm kind of interested here.
• 51:48
  Yeah. You got to make any, and you got to make the general audience miss the characters.
• 51:52
  Yeah. You know, that's the one thing like with, you know, like with like take
• 51:57
  Batman, for example, you didn't have a solo movie between 2012 and 2022.
• 52:01
  But you had, he was in other movies.
• 52:03
  You know so i don't know if that if that hindered i think
• 52:07
  actually that might have hindered the matt reese film a little bit i think it would have been
• 52:09
  a billion dollars if you hadn't had bvs in
• 52:12
  there but that's just oh to be honest i think the same thing about wonder woman
• 52:15
  i think wonder woman had a little bit of bvs stink on it yep yeah there was
• 52:19
  there they were held back you got to make the judge because it's there there
• 52:22
  was something interesting we're talking about hats on so you got to make sure
• 52:26
  you take the general audience into consideration that they're gonna they're
• 52:28
  the ones that really drive these well there aren't enough of us to there's that
• 52:32
  argument There's the BOF argument that,
• 52:34
  you know, the shared universe Batman always seems to fail, whether it's Affleck or Keaton,
• 52:39
  right? Like, even Keaton's resurgence was nothing.
• 52:41
  Meanwhile, the Matt Reeves solo Batman, you know, while it didn't create a cultural,
• 52:46
  like, phenomenon, it was just well-received by the general audience so much better.
• 52:51
  It's fascinating how supernatural, maybe fantastical Batman doesn't even resonate
• 52:56
  with the general audience, but the more street-level Batman does.
• 53:00
  I don't think it's hard for me to call what they did with those films a good
• 53:06
  attempt at it, even though I like Affleck's Batman.
• 53:10
  And I thought for what he wanted to do in that movie. I mean, Snyder tried, dude.
• 53:14
  He gave it. Yes, he may not have had the best idea, but he went in there.
• 53:18
  He shot. He shot his load. He went in there shooting a shot. Yes.
• 53:22
  Ben Affleck's Batman is going to go down as the biggest waste of potential.
• 53:25
  I think maybe in DC film history.
• 53:27
  Speak of hot. I'm dropping hot takes left and right here. I don't think you're wrong.
• 53:33
  What could have been with that is if DC had just taken their time,
• 53:36
  and I've told Bill this, and I think I told you guys this at the watch party
• 53:38
  a couple years ago, is that if you take your time and build that,
• 53:43
  I would have loved to have seen what pushed that Batman to that point.
• 53:47
  Would it have been a death in the family story? Maybe, but I don't know.
• 53:50
  I just would have loved to have seen that, but Marvel was going through the roof at that time.
• 53:54
  DC panicked, put the floor on the accelerator before realizing
• 53:57
  what they had in the car you know in terms of an engine so yeah that's something
• 54:01
  like can you imagine a couple maybe like one or two movies of affleck getting
• 54:04
  to that breaking point and then becoming the affleck the batman we see in bv
• 54:08
  that's that would have been something to watch it really would have been something
• 54:11
  nice and it would have made his arc in the flash a little more yep believable too
• 54:16
  you know so but yeah the flash bat the keaton batman
• 54:19
  in the flash that to me is the more fantastical batman he's
• 54:23
  flying through the air he's doing all that quick stuff i mean
• 54:26
  i loved seeing it because i'm like wow this guy's like almost 70
• 54:29
  years old and he's just doing all this crazy stuff i know
• 54:32
  it wasn't really him but you know just thinking about it you're
• 54:35
  just thinking about it bruce wayne in that movie yeah i know what you're saying
• 54:37
  right it's it but yeah it's a version of that batman it's not you know i i it's
• 54:42
  not the 89 returns i'm with you chris to me it's like 89 universe 89.1 right
• 54:48
  like it's yeah it's a combination of a bunch of things that happened before
• 54:51
  it and that's just what he happened to look like like i i take that approach to it myself.
• 54:56
  But that appearance just does make me wonder, like, you know,
• 55:01
  the whole Batman's tough law. I'm like, I don't know if I agree with that anymore.
• 55:05
  The Flash makes me wonder. It just does. And I know Ezra had a lot of issues.
• 55:09
  I know that didn't help. But I'm just saying it came out at a weird time.
• 55:13
  I'm just a little nervous. That's all.
• 55:16
  As these studios continue to screw around, that Teflon is going to wear off.
• 55:20
  Because you go to the well too much. Because we don't miss the character.
• 55:23
  Correct. We don't miss the character.
• 55:25
  If the genre continues to suffer, it's going to rub off on everybody.
• 55:30
  That's just my two cents. yeah no i mean that's fair and speaking of not giving
• 55:37
  time to uh miss the characters,
• 55:40
  we have another superman legacy casting
• 55:44
  announcement well supergirl there she's going to be in it and they are screen
• 55:50
  surprise yeah they are screen testing both millie alcock and meg donnelly for
• 55:55
  the role millie alcock if you guys are watching house of the dragon she She
• 55:59
  played the young Rhaenyra Targaryen.
• 56:02
  So if you haven't seen her work. Yes.
• 56:06
  The young Rhaenyra Targaryen. I'm not going to. Huh?
• 56:11
  I'm not saying a word about House of the Dragon. Yeah. You don't like it?
• 56:15
  I do. It's just I feel like I'm actually one of the few in my friend circle that actually do.
• 56:20
  So nice to hear somebody else like it. So yeah, I love it. So and then.
• 56:24
  Yeah. Yeah. And then McDonnelly, who was, I believe she kind of a child star in Disney Channel.
• 56:30
  She was in Zombies musical franchise on there.
• 56:34
  Just from the look of both of them, I'm going more with Donnelly.
• 56:38
  The only one who's acting talent I know, though, is Millie Alcox,
• 56:42
  and she's fantastic. So whoever they pick, I'll be fine with.
• 56:45
  But Chris, since you know of, you know, Millie's work as well.
• 56:48
  What do you think about that announcement and who they're looking at?
• 56:51
  I say, you know, I I'm still concerned that they're packing this film too much,
• 56:56
  but at least this character makes sense.
• 56:57
  At least Supergirl makes sense for this film.
• 57:01
  So I've got concerns about this movie notwithstanding. James Gunn is a heck
• 57:05
  of a director, but I don't know where they're going.
• 57:07
  Yeah, in terms of a casting choice, I still think Sasha Kali got a little bit of a short stick.
• 57:12
  I thought she was fantastic in The Flash, but pivoting away from that,
• 57:16
  given the multiversal nature of the movie, I mean, I guess it's fine.
• 57:19
  But I think I'm going to have to just trust James Gunn on this one.
• 57:24
  I don't know what else to do on it, because this is such a different movie than
• 57:27
  what I think we're seeing. but this is the one movie that I'm actually looking forward to seeing.
• 57:33
  I mean, the DC, well, it's going to be the first one so I mean,
• 57:35
  obviously that's going to be the way to go but this is going to review a lot
• 57:38
  but I mean just make, can we just not make it, can we just make a good Superman movie, please?
• 57:43
  Like, maybe some of these are just going to be one-off cameos.
• 57:46
  Maybe these are just going to be one-off you know, brief cameos like you saw
• 57:51
  like The Flash and Aquaman and BVS.
• 57:53
  You know, maybe that's just going to be the thing, they'll just be brief flashes.
• 57:56
  Everyone really loves all those cameos.
• 58:05
  It's it's hard when you hear all these castings it's hard to know what we're
• 58:09
  getting because we don't have any idea of the plot yet right we haven't been
• 58:12
  it would help if we had a trailer but we have do we did i miss do we or am i
• 58:17
  just forgetting do we even have a mod or podcast no.
• 58:21
  That's kind of what I'm wondering. I feel like I need to see a trailer.
• 58:26
  At the very least, I need to see a trailer. I'm with you. Yeah.
• 58:29
  And I need to see a trailer, and I need to see a costume.
• 58:32
  I need to see Corn Sweat in the suit. I got fooled by one. There was a fake
• 58:36
  one going around, and he looked just like Cavill.
• 58:39
  And I was like, oh, wow, this is kind of eerie. He looks a lot like Henry Cavill.
• 58:43
  The rumor of using the Fleischer suit, I think, or the logo,
• 58:47
  at least, the Fleischer S, intrigues me a little bit.
• 58:50
  You know using the old i like seeing superman and lois yeah i thought
• 58:53
  it was fun to pop up every now and then that was a that was a fun pop-up you
• 58:56
  know kind of as like a first early superman appearance you know kind of
• 58:59
  a thing but i kind of am intrigued by that but james gunn has got he's got to
• 59:03
  stick the landing on this one or he's got to the entire his entire job is on
• 59:08
  the line here with superman legacy his entire universe is online i think if
• 59:12
  superman legacy bombs we won't even see this brave and the bold movie but his
• 59:16
  legacy is on the line yeah Yeah, literally,
• 59:18
  as the next Feige.
• 59:21
  But either of these girls looks wonderful for Supergirl. While Kaia did a fantastic
• 59:25
  job, I thought she was a nice little remix of what Cavill should be,
• 59:31
  what Cavill's Superman was to that world. So I made sense over there.
• 59:35
  I'm with Chris. I got to trust him. I need to see a trailer before I can judge
• 59:38
  it. But everyone knows I'm very weary about Superman Legacy.
• 59:41
  It's nothing new. You all know how I feel about it. So it's all wait and see.
• 59:46
  But uh yeah i just it does make sense
• 59:49
  that uh superman characters were in a superman movie so this i can't really
• 59:52
  make fun of this one too much but i'll uh i'll wait for condiment king to pop
• 59:55
  up and then i'll crack on that one that would be funny i'd love it but in that
• 1:00:02
  vein of cameos we things that might be happening characters might be showing up,
• 1:00:08
  ryan riddle's announced deadpool 3 has wrapped after the strike delay.
• 1:00:14
  He did a post, I believe, on both Instagram and Twitter. At least I saw it on
• 1:00:18
  Twitter, so that's where I saw it.
• 1:00:20
  He said, the suit hides the blood, also sweat, but today with Deadpool rapping,
• 1:00:23
  it's mostly tears. Tears.
• 1:00:27
  He went on to thank co-star Hugh Jackman and said, I got to make the movie with
• 1:00:31
  my closest pals, and that doesn't happen very often.
• 1:00:34
  Jackman then also said, what a ride. I loved every minute of making this movie.
• 1:00:38
  Well, not the training and diet, but the other 93.2%.
• 1:00:41
  To the best cast and crew, thank you. you are all
• 1:00:44
  aces he also showed a picture of him shaving again
• 1:00:47
  so this is one of
• 1:00:50
  the movies that i am really really looking forward to so i'm
• 1:00:54
  happy it's wrapped i'm happy it's coming what did you guys think about the well
• 1:00:59
  chris first i haven't talked to you about it what is your anticipation for this
• 1:01:02
  and you know what do you think it's going to be like can't cannot wait and if
• 1:01:07
  marvel this is something you know i really would like deadpool in the mcu just
• 1:01:11
  oh the comedy that just It could be awesome.
• 1:01:14
  This could be the thing. He could be really the one that carries that universe forward.
• 1:01:18
  I wouldn't even mind seeing after this, they did the graphic novel Deadpool
• 1:01:22
  Kills the Marvel Universe.
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  Deadpool Kills the MCU. That'd be a great way to reboot. I think that'd be a great reboot.
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  And it would make a ton of money out of the way because it's Deadpool going
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  out of his way. So it's Deadpool doing Deadpool things.
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  So I cannot wait for this. I hope we are going to get more Deadpool.
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  That post makes it sort of sounds like this might be it for Reynolds doing it,
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  but I don't know. But I'm excited.
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  This is probably outside of the Batman part two of the movie I'm most excited
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  to see the next couple of years.
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  Yeah. Yeah. I'm with Chris all the way on this. I just, I am so highly anticipating
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  this movie, not just for Jackman's return, but for Ryan Reynolds.
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  He loves Deadpool. He loves doing it.
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  The passion he has for this character is second to none.
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  I like the first one more than the second one. I think the second one's very
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  good. I just, I like the first one a little bit more.
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  Sure. but I think this might be exactly what the genre needs.
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  A little bit of levity, something that can make fun of itself.
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  The jokes in this, it's going to make fun of itself a lot. So just be prepared
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  to be, you know, some may say they went over to the top, they beat you over the head with a hammer.
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  But I think Deadpool is going to be the thing that kind of rejuvenates life into the genre.
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  And then you get into the Batman part too. Like Chris said, like,
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  yeah, these are my most highly anticipated movies of the genre right now.
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  And i think deadpool is going to save us superman legacy
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  is not anticipated it's more anticipated in the sense that please don't
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  be a train wreck let me just clarify that 100 100 i'm with
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  you yeah i agree with you guys those are my two most
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  anticipated right now in this genre and then with superman legacy yeah to me
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  it's kind of like i'm very interested because i want to see him do the movie
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  but i'm also very nervous because i know how much is riding on it so no disrespect
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  to joker or two, by the way. Yeah. Yes. Yeah.
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  Because I imagine it's going to be a very depressing movie.
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  The musical, that's enough. I mean, fully ado is that I can't wait for that either, but yes.
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  All right, gentlemen. Well, that's a wrap on this one. Wonderful.
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  Wonderful. Chris, as always, it's great to have you on the show.
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  Yeah. Yes, yes. Nice to always nice chat with you too.
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  I said it last year. I'll say it again. You guys do a fantastic job.
• 1:03:32
  Y'all do this the right way. Thank you. Just following Holzman's lead.
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  I'm well aware of Pete. I've seen you both in person.
• 1:03:43
  I'm well aware that he's the soul, the heart, and maybe he's the brain.
• 1:03:47
  I don't know. big man on campus he's the quarterback he's holding him on let's
• 1:03:51
  be honest whatever stop his presence his charisma is bigger than both of us,
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  well let everyone know where they can talk to you so tell them so i am on what
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  the hell are we calling the platform this week twitter x yeah it's elon land
• 1:04:09
  and of course burke i am k k r i s Burke, B-U-R-K-E.
• 1:04:13
  My first name is spelled weird. Blame my parents, not me.
• 1:04:16
  I'm also, I check in quite a bit on the Facebook, on the B-O-F, Batman on Film Group.
• 1:04:21
  Got to step up contributions there. Again, a little bit more of the football
• 1:04:24
  season's over and day job has finally settled down to where I can kind of get
• 1:04:28
  into the stuff I enjoyed a little more, a little bit.
• 1:04:31
  Working in news in this world right now, folks, is not easy, I can tell you that.
• 1:04:36
  But yeah, it's that. That's kind of where I'm at. Thank you guys for having me.
• 1:04:39
  Glad we got to do it on the championship show. instead of the Super Bowl,
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  so we had more games to talk about.
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  One more game but yeah definitely looking forward
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  looking forward to doing this again so thank you for having me thanks chris
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  all right pete you can follow me on social media
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  at pete illustrated you can follow this show the show you're listening right now
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• 1:05:02
  spidey coalition we have we'll have a new episode dropping there appear monthly
• 1:05:06
  on the batman book club with ryan lauer batman film.com batman
• 1:05:09
  from youtube check that stuff out man that's really
• 1:05:12
  it holds him on take us away yes yes yes and finally 33
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  on twitter you guys know where to find me over there i also
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  my my new york knicks show my new york knicks live
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  stream i do every wednesday night either before or
• 1:05:24
  after the game depending on if there's a game or not if there's no
• 1:05:27
  game it's usually around eight o'clock it's a live stream on facebook
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  live youtube all nicked up it's called but if you want to hit us up on twitter
• 1:05:33
  it's at all underscore nick underscore up there and that's where if you want
• 1:05:38
  to interact with me about basketball do that there because i have a lot to have
• 1:05:42
  a lot of discussions there oh i We just hired Doc Rivers, so I have opinions too.
• 1:05:48
  Yeah, that's true. That's true. So we'll see. Could work. Could work. Could work. Could work.
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  But yeah, guys, check us out there for all your Knicks chat,
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  especially if you're a Knicks fan or if you're just fans of the NBA. Come watch the show.
• 1:06:01
  We talk the NBA as well, so come check us out over there.
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  I came up with a song, actually. No. We're all nicked up. Oh, boy.
• 1:06:09
  Oh, nicked up. What you gonna do? who's one
• 1:06:12
  gonna talk basketball with you all nicked up what
• 1:06:15
  what all nicked up what what what do
• 1:06:19
  you think you think i just think i need a beat uh 311 might
• 1:06:22
  might come back at you for that sounds
• 1:06:25
  very similar to all mixed up but it's all nicked up i know i hear you it's all
• 1:06:32
  it's off key enough i think they'll be okay it's a good start it's i'm no american
• 1:06:39
  i don't it's It's in its infancy now, so we'll get there.
• 1:06:44
  I'll talk to my singing coach, Eric. We appreciate the attempt.
• 1:06:48
  We appreciate the attempt.
• 1:06:50
  All right. Thank you guys out there for listening again. As always,
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  we would not do this show if you did not support us, so thanks again.
• 1:06:56
  I just wanted to say that today.
• 1:06:58
  As we approach 150, this is episode 141, so as we approach 150,
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  yeah, we're getting there.
• 1:07:04
  I never thought we would be doing this many shows. I really thought Eric was
• 1:07:08
  going to quit like 30 episodes ago.
• 1:07:10
  So yeah but i'm still here we're still here and we hope we entertain you guys
• 1:07:14
  as always every week or every other week depending on our schedules but we try
• 1:07:19
  we try to make it every week to give you guys a little entertainment and escape
• 1:07:23
  from reality so for chris and pete i'm eric you are listening to shredder gotham
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  and we will see you next time booyah.