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I Am All In…Again: Purple Hair Don’t Care (Season 3 E4 “One's Got Class and the Other One Dyes”) · I Am All In with Scott Patterson

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  Speaker 1: I am all in again.
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  Speaker 2: I am all in again with Scott Patterson and iHeartRadio
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  Speaker 2: podcast Hey.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody, Scott Patterson, I am all in podcasts. What a
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  Speaker 1: lot of productions. iHeartRadio media. iHeart podcasts. We're gonna recap
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  Speaker 1: One's Got Class, the Other One Dies, episode four, Season three,
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  Speaker 1: and very special guest Matt Newton, who appeared in the
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  Speaker 1: episode prior to this one. If I've got that right.
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  Speaker 1: He's an actor, filmmaker, acting coach. Grew up in New Haven, Connecticut,
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  Speaker 1: and appeared in TV guest roles for shows like Kimore
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  Speaker 1: Girls Ugly Betty. Around twenty ten, he shifted toward coaching
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  Speaker 1: a found MN acting studio in New York City. As
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  Speaker 1: coached actors from major series like Jessica Jones and films
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  Speaker 1: like av A Duverna's when they what I can't see
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  Speaker 1: what it's doing when they see us and the Daverna's
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  Speaker 1: when they see us. Matt, Welcome Todays. Nice to have you,
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  Speaker 1: and we are going to get into an air date
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  Speaker 1: here of October fifteen, two thousand and two. Man, that's
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  Speaker 1: a long time ago.
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  Speaker 3: We have.
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  Speaker 1: We have a lot to talk about. I was an
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  Speaker 1: acting coach as well before I got killed, so we
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  Speaker 1: can compare four Gilmore Girls. Yeah, anyway, all right, here's
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  Speaker 1: here's the synopsis. Students bombard Laura I with questions about
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  Speaker 1: her teenage pregnancy at the school's career day, embarrassing the
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  Speaker 1: PTA moms, and Rory helps Lane dye her hair purple
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  Speaker 1: to assert her independence. Director Steve Robin, writer Dan Palladino.
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  Speaker 1: Before we get into it, Matt, what do you think
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  Speaker 1: of the episode? Overall?
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  Speaker 3: I liked him, and you know, I it's funny, like I,
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  Speaker 3: you know, the experience of being on the show, you know.
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  Speaker 4: Luckily, I think I didn't know anything about it.
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  Speaker 3: So I went in and had my first experience with
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  Speaker 3: Gilmergirls on the set of Gilmergirls. So now to come
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  Speaker 3: back and watch the episodes and see the style and
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  Speaker 3: the tone and storylines and what makes it so special
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  Speaker 3: is amazing. So so I, you know, I love anything
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  Speaker 3: that has sort of a higher level banter like this,
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  Speaker 3: like Aaron Sorkin kind of banter, Palladino banter. So so
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  Speaker 3: I love it. Yeah, I became a fan after filming it.
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  Speaker 1: Ye, yeah, it's it's it's it's on. I I hadn't
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  Speaker 1: watched the shows really at all. And then when I
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  Speaker 1: started doing the podcast almost five years ago, I had
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  Speaker 1: the same kind of reaction.
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  Speaker 4: Like like I didn't remember that.
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  Speaker 1: I don't remember it. I said, boy, this is really good,
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  Speaker 1: and exactly how the hell did I get this job? Anyway,
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  Speaker 1: So larela I gets a call from Dead and the
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  Speaker 1: PTA and agrees to talk to stars Tyler High School
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  Speaker 1: class for career Day about being a local business owner.
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  Speaker 1: They want Luke as well. Laurele I says she will
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  Speaker 1: convince him to come over. The banter matt between Luke
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  Speaker 1: and Laureles front and center in this episode, establishing how
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  Speaker 1: they fit perfectly together, at least verbally psychologically perhaps, And
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  Speaker 1: I guess, you know, running those lines with her and
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  Speaker 1: doing that kind of a witty, quick back and forth
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  Speaker 1: banter is really, you know, it's the soul of the show.
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  Speaker 1: It gives it the octane, it gives it the fuel.
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  Speaker 1: It's moving forward at a dizzying pace. And I think
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  Speaker 1: that's what thrills the audience is they really have to
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  Speaker 1: pay attention. They really can't look off, they can't look
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  Speaker 1: at their phone, they can't turn and answer a question.
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  Speaker 1: They're gonna miss you know, two lines and three jokes right,
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  Speaker 1: because it's so compact.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we had a sixteen hour day running this dinner
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  Speaker 3: scene around the dinner table and where the you know,
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  Speaker 3: we're all quizzing each other, and you know, it was
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  Speaker 3: it was all about the perfection of those lines. And
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  Speaker 3: something I'll never forget as an actor and something I
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  Speaker 3: heavily bring into coaching, which is this idea of memorizing
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  Speaker 3: it as if it was Shakespeare. I think, you know,
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  Speaker 3: we've learned as actors to get most shows aren't on
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  Speaker 3: that level of strict you know, punctuation. And that was
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  Speaker 3: my first experience with that since college, since I was
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  Speaker 3: doing Shakespeare, and I thought, Okay, this can be on
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  Speaker 3: the same level and can be a hyper speed like
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  Speaker 3: this and can still be real and you could put
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  Speaker 3: the thoughts in the lines instead of between the lines.
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  Speaker 3: And I really love that idea, and you know, to
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  Speaker 3: sort of spend the day doing it then to see
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  Speaker 3: that they even cut it even tighter, it's just pretty
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  Speaker 3: amazing and something that you know, it's very special about
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  Speaker 3: my experience on it now.
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  Speaker 1: I mean I've said it many time on this podcast
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  Speaker 1: before that it is very Shakespearean and that there's a
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  Speaker 1: rhythm and the music to it. There's an't even an
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  Speaker 1: iambic to it. Yeah, and it's you really just have
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  Speaker 1: to open your mouth, let the words fall out, and
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  Speaker 1: the thoughts, feelings, emotions, even the blocking will be dictated
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  Speaker 1: to you. It will arrive you just really need it.
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  Speaker 1: Really is the mechanical job of just memorizing the line
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  Speaker 1: so cold that you can't get them wrong.
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  Speaker 3: Which we've a lot of people have forgotten how to
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  Speaker 3: do right, you know, and this it's a and if
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  Speaker 3: that you weren't getting the line right, Amy and Dan
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  Speaker 3: would tell you, and we wouldn't. We wouldn't move on
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  Speaker 3: until we got it. I was always someone who wrote
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  Speaker 3: down my lines. That's how I memorized. I learned it
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  Speaker 3: in my high school drama teacher, and so I knew
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  Speaker 3: I had a system, you know, from back in the day,
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  Speaker 3: where I would be letter perfect on everything, even a
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  Speaker 3: soap opera set. You know where the words are, so
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  Speaker 3: you know, I had a system. But for for other people,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I can see how that would be tricky.
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  Speaker 4: Was it hard for you?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, did you have to sort of lock yourself
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  Speaker 3: down or was it again you just inhabited the language
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  Speaker 3: knew the character.
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  Speaker 4: It was written for you.
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  Speaker 1: I force fed, you know, in the in the years prior,
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  Speaker 1: I force fed myself as much Shakespeare as I could
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  Speaker 1: stand great, and I found very quickly that it was
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  Speaker 1: far easier to remember large speeches written by a master
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  Speaker 1: than it is short paragraphs written by somebody with far
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  Speaker 1: less talent. And I just there was there's this emotional
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  Speaker 1: logic to it, much like I find in this writing
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  Speaker 1: with Amy and Dan and their staff. And it was
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  Speaker 1: it was shocking to me initially. It was like, this
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  Speaker 1: can't be this easy.
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  Speaker 3: And you're, yeah, what you're saying is when it's written, well,
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  Speaker 3: it's really easy to memorize because it flows off the tongue.
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  Speaker 3: And when it's challenging, and I'm sure you know I
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  Speaker 3: both experienced that, it's sort of like, well, these lines
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  Speaker 3: don't really make sense, so I have to do it
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  Speaker 3: in a beat and everything, but the lines and the
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  Speaker 3: beats are built, you know, everything's built into the Palladino stuff.
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  Speaker 4: And I love that.
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  Speaker 3: And it's very few beats and when they are, their
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  Speaker 3: micro beats, and you know, again, I don't know any
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  Speaker 3: of this stuff. When I went into audition, I was
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  Speaker 3: just someone who kind of talked fast anyway, So I
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  Speaker 3: think it kind of made made a lot of sense.
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  Speaker 4: But now I realize it's a thing.
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  Speaker 3: It's such a thing because I've never experienced it again
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  Speaker 3: on a set on that level.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, nor have I not even close.
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  Speaker 4: I'm sure, and I'm sure you miss it too.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure it's like, oh, I want to say that
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  Speaker 3: kind of language again, desperate to get back to it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Or you know, do a Shakespeare play absolutely yeah, at
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  Speaker 1: l Chicago, New York, Miami, wherever, I don't care.
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  Speaker 3: I coached someone on Aaron Sorkin was adapting Camelot for Broadway,
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  Speaker 3: I believe. So people are coming in with, you know,
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  Speaker 3: eight pages of Sorkin adapted Camelot language, and it was
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  Speaker 3: a It was a very challenging coaching session because I
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  Speaker 3: knew it had to be you know, it had to
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  Speaker 3: be perfect.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I'm going to debut you Hamlet at my age,
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  Speaker 1: but I can't can't play the lead role. It'll kill me,
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  Speaker 1: pus or somebody here exactly. Anyway, Uh, Loralai in the
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  Speaker 1: class able to defend her choices even against a group
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  Speaker 1: of moms with bad haircuts and Jesus sweaters. She points
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  Speaker 1: out she doesn't want to gloss over oncomfortable topics with
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  Speaker 1: her kids. Do you agree with her parenting style?
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  Speaker 3: I agree with Lawrence's parenting style. I'm not glossing over. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I you know, I have two kids.
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  Speaker 4: I get it.
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  Speaker 3: I I yeah, of course, I'm so protective, you know,
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  Speaker 3: But but I also am like, you know, what are
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  Speaker 3: they what can we let them hear?
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  Speaker 4: And what are we protecting them from? I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I did's something I'm It's funny very recently also like
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  Speaker 3: dealing with that, like my kids play travel basketball and
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  Speaker 3: like just kind of going to do it and seeing
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  Speaker 3: different people with different parenting styles in that competitive world
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  Speaker 3: of sports makes me rethink how I am.
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  Speaker 4: But yeah, I do. I do agree with her style.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, mm hmm.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It's kind of like a game time call whether you're gonna,
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  Speaker 1: you know, include them in the decision or to Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I do. Every day with my son.
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  Speaker 4: How old your son?
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  Speaker 1: He's eleven, but he's you know, he's eleven going on
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  Speaker 1: forty five eight eight, You can handle most things. Ye,
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  Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, I know that, and then he'll explain
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  Speaker 1: the facts.
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  Speaker 3: Of life to me exactly.
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  Speaker 1: Was this storyline to showcase the juxtaposition of the different
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  Speaker 1: versions of suburban moms. I think we know the answer
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  Speaker 1: to that. You know, yeah, probably it shows how outside
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  Speaker 1: the group, right Lorelei is.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I live in Connecticut, you know, I
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  Speaker 3: grew up kind of in this world a little bit.
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  Speaker 3: And the different kinds of people you see, and the
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  Speaker 3: different kinds of moms, and you know that, of course
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  Speaker 3: that they hit it right in the head with that.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, of course.
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  Speaker 1: I was just in Connecticut for a weekend and I
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  Speaker 1: stayed at a very nice hotel and I was out
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  Speaker 1: in the posh suburbs, and it's.
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  Speaker 4: It's just beautiful. It's different.
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  Speaker 1: It's different. It's beautiful. But I recognize it because I'm
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  Speaker 1: a Northeast guy, so I get it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, where'd you grow up?
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  Speaker 1: I grew up in Philadelphia and southern New Jersey and
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  Speaker 1: in New York City, So I've been to all of
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  Speaker 1: these places. They're all they're all recognizable. They just have
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  Speaker 1: sort of their different sort of colloquialisms and traditions exactly
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  Speaker 1: a little bit different, but it's Northeast. Now we're gonna
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  Speaker 1: get to a subject, Matt that you're dying to get to.
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  Speaker 1: I'm dying to get to. When I woke up this morning,
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  Speaker 1: I was extremely excited to get to this topic. Lane's
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  Speaker 1: hair makeover to rebel against her mom. I mean, here
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  Speaker 1: we are. This is the moment in our careers where
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna discuss something that just I know so much about.
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  Speaker 1: All Right, I'm gonna not big sar guest. Lane's band
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  Speaker 1: has started rehearsing and she's learned four songs, but they
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  Speaker 1: can't play loud because of Lane's mom. They're complaining they
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  Speaker 1: need a real practice space. They're in uh Sophie's shop
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  Speaker 1: downtown News and Lane wants to talk about band practice
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  Speaker 1: in Hartford, but her mom has applications to fill out
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  Speaker 1: for religious colleges. Lane starts freaking out, wants to dye
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  Speaker 1: her hair to rebel against her mom, and they run
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  Speaker 1: it to Justice girlfriend at the beauty store where Rory
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  Speaker 1: and Lango to buy the hair dye. Uh So, Rory
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  Speaker 1: dies Lane's hair very purple. By the way, I very
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  Speaker 1: I have a very funny story about dyeing my hair
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  Speaker 1: as well, so, but I'm not going to share that today.
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  Speaker 4: For the show.
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  Speaker 3: For a different thing, No life just for Life.
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  Speaker 1: To play Rock Hudson for an audition to So.
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  Speaker 4: You died for the audition?
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  Speaker 3: I did well played.
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  Speaker 1: No no no I no. I dyed it for the
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  Speaker 1: network audition at the Flying Flying me out to LA
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  Speaker 1: to compete with the other guy, and I dyed my
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  Speaker 1: hair black and it turned blue?
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  Speaker 4: Did someone tell you to do it?
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  Speaker 1: Or do it? No? That genius that I hatched that
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  Speaker 1: bit of genius on my.
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  Speaker 4: So they hadn't seen you with the hair yet, and
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  Speaker 4: before you want.
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  Speaker 1: To know, they had in the initial audition redet right,
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  Speaker 1: it was like a brown night brownish and then all
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  Speaker 1: the time blue hair showed up. Right. Yeah, not not
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  Speaker 1: a move, not a good move. Very first audition by
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  Speaker 1: the way.
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  Speaker 3: Wow really yeah yeah yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Hit it out of the park on that one. Anyway.
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  Speaker 1: She hers is very purple, and she freaks out as
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  Speaker 1: we're returning to the beauty store to diet back to
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  Speaker 1: Black Roy's at the beauty store and she yells at Shane,
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  Speaker 1: that's Jess's girlfriend, the blonde miss miss Kipper. I believe
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  Speaker 1: her name is for her for her bad customer service,
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  Speaker 1: because she was on the phone with Jess and Rory
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  Speaker 1: got a little jealous so she seems to be out
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  Speaker 1: of character for Rory just to lose it on someone.
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  Speaker 1: So I guess her jealousy is taking over for her
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  Speaker 1: to act out and listen no more to fellas more
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  Speaker 1: qualified to talk about this teenage stuff going in here.
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  Speaker 1: So let's let's just dig into it.
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  Speaker 3: Is that? Is that what it's going to be like
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  Speaker 3: for my daughter? Like when she gets to be She's
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  Speaker 3: six right now, So in ten years, is she gonna
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  Speaker 3: be rebelling like this?
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  Speaker 1: I don't think.
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  Speaker 4: So, I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't know. I don't know. It's
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  Speaker 1: purple hair in your future. I do not know.
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  Speaker 3: I dyed my hair manic panic blonde in college. I
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  Speaker 3: wanted to look like Eminem. I caught it a Caesar
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  Speaker 3: cut and that was a vibe man. And I was
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  Speaker 3: also doing God's Spell at the time, so I had
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  Speaker 3: this hair thing going on, and then I was also
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  Speaker 3: playing the World of Jesus in Godspell at Faster College.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. Wow, you know, it was kind of it was
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  Speaker 1: kind of nice to see Lane's character highlighted. You know,
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  Speaker 1: we get to see more of her. Were there constant
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  Speaker 1: struggle against your mom and figuring out what she really wants.
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  Speaker 1: Why do you think Lane couldn't go through with the
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  Speaker 1: rebellious purple hair.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, because it's too some. It's like embarrassing, right,
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  Speaker 3: It's it's too much. It's it's like you're making a statement,
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  Speaker 3: but you're you're it's like overkill. So so I think
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  Speaker 3: Lane was just feeling like, maybe, you know, maybe I
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  Speaker 3: don't need to be so so rebellious, pull back a
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  Speaker 3: little bit.
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  Speaker 1: A little bit of respect, a little bit of fear.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, sure, I get it right.
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  Speaker 1: Right, right, Well, it was quite a thing, and it
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  Speaker 1: kept coming at you and waves, the lame hair hysterics
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  Speaker 1: was coming at you in wave after wave after wave,
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  Speaker 1: and we are the better for it. Luke and Jess.
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  Speaker 1: Jess is still Shane and has her in the closet
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  Speaker 1: when Laurel I came over to get Luke to dress
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  Speaker 1: up for his business daily speech at the school that
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  Speaker 1: he's accompanying her to. Jess sort of smirks at Luke
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  Speaker 1: and Laurel's antics and bickering, and Luke tries to have
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  Speaker 1: a talk with just about the way to treat women.
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  Speaker 1: He hates the way he treats Shane's but Jess defends
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  Speaker 1: himself because she treats him like trash too, and he
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  Speaker 1: doesn't really care for her. And this shows a side
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  Speaker 1: of Luke that I particularly like, you know, being fly,
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  Speaker 1: being responsible and saying, hey, this is not how you
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  Speaker 1: treat a girl. Okay, there are dues and don'ts, and
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  Speaker 1: there's so many don'ts here, and just fires back at him,
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  Speaker 1: saying the girl he cares about doesn't care about him.
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  Speaker 1: Rory he's speaking of, and then Luke, and then he
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  Speaker 1: called Then he calls Luke a golden retriever over the
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  Speaker 1: Laurel I, saying he's waiting around for her to notice
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  Speaker 1: him in that way. This is why there are so
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  Speaker 1: many red flags with Jess. There's so much aggression, there's
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  Speaker 1: so much bitterness, there's so much dysfunction, and I'm seeing
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  Speaker 1: it more and more and and you know, five and six,
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  Speaker 1: especially six, and I just watched him. We're gonna recap that,
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  Speaker 1: I think tomorrow. But man, I mean when I say
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  Speaker 1: these three guys are bombs, I mean it because you know,
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  Speaker 1: you know, people don't change that much. Yes, And if
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  Speaker 1: he's got that kind of sort of grifter bad boy
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  Speaker 1: in him at sixteen seventeen it's still gonna be there.
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  Speaker 3: It's gonna stick with it, but it's always gonna be
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  Speaker 3: a part of him that's gonna feel like that, right,
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  Speaker 3: like just that that power.
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  Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, that's funny.
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  Speaker 3: Like you see you see like kernels of it, right,
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  Speaker 3: you see you see it there, and you think about
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  Speaker 3: what he's going to be like later, and it's you know,
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  Speaker 3: it's how much do people change nature versus nurture all
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  Speaker 3: that stuff? You know?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think about this a loud like kids.
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  Speaker 1: Sure again, Well, it's it seems like everyone's pointing out
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  Speaker 1: Luke and Laureli's chemistry. Right, Emily did it to laurel I.
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  Speaker 1: Now Jess is saying something to Luke. Why do you
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  Speaker 1: think Luke can't admit to him himself that he has
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  Speaker 1: these deep feelings for Laurele I? And why is that
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  Speaker 1: such an interesting dynamic in this show.
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  Speaker 4: That he can't be open and up front with it, right.
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  Speaker 4: Why He's probably intimidated. He's probably scared of being hurt.
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: He's he doesn't want to be uncomfortable. Again, I totally
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: get it. I was I was probably the same way
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: around girls. I think he's just holding on a lot
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: of feelings and doesn't know how to express it is
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: where it will come out the wrong way.
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: And that's it. He's kind of harboring that, you know,
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: And we see that with him.
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: Fear of rejection. The more you want somebody more, your
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: fear of the rejection, so you just clean out. Yeah. Yeah,
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: well I never got anybody to first base, I'll tell you.
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: So Luke is trying to parentst and give advice when
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: it comes to women, and it appears and this is
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: a question, is he's just just too stubborn to listen
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: to anyone else. I mean, he really is the quintessential
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: no pseudo know it all, just has all the answers
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: for everything, like a narcissist.
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: And yeah, it doesn't want anyone piercing that veil. And yeah,
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: that's you know, we all know someone like that.
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: Right, Matt. That is the first time I've ever had
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: a guest come on and describe Jess using the narcissist work.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: That's very insightful. What are what are some of the
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: characteristics of of of his narcissist personality that jump out
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: to you.
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: I Mean, he's just it's it's him first, you know,
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: It's it's just the way he sort of responds to
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: influence around him and just deflex and defends and just
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: kind of doesn't give people the time they deserve. And
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: you know, it's it's the way you could describe many
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: different people, but that's you know, evident in the show
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: as well.
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: No accountability. Yeah, just will not take responsibility for anything.
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, poor kid. It's tough to see that in a teenager.
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: It's just for developed to develop that early. It's just
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: it's so tragic to say it. It's kind of why
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: you love them, you know, you just want to reach
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: out and help them because there you just do. You
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: really do feel the potential in him. And he's smart
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: kids smart, he's quick, and he's he's crying out for help.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: He really but but but the but the issue is
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: is he ever going to accept it? And the answer
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: has always come back now. I mean you try to,
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: you try to get somebody like that and to get
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: get them help and act like you're concerned and you're
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: truly concerned. They use that against you. Yeah, it's yeah,
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: it's it's tough, tough sledging.
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: Closing scene here Laane and Roy are walking and stars hollow,
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: but feel accomplished because they dyed her hair back to
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: black and have photo proof of it. Over well, they
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: of the purple and they consider it a victory. They
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: see shanea Jess, She calls her a freak and she
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: walks by. R calls her a freak. Laurela runs into
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: Lane Roy and Rory shows her the purple hair photo.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: Roy asks about her speech at school and she filters
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: on what happened. They walked to Alice Pancake World for
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: dinner arman Arm reflecting on her speech. The show ends
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: with Roy and Larelai just going along with their normal
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: lives with their woody banner, almost like reassuring that she
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: made the right choice when she was sixteen years old.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: What did you think of the ending?
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: Mat, It's great.
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: I mean, you know, the coming back to the bond
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: between them like that is fantastic.
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: It's what it's what we watch it for.
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: It's it's they're gonna be okay, that they can sold
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: her through any thing and you know they still have
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: each other. It's what makes them so beautiful. So I
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: loved it. I love rewatching it.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: M M.
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a simpler time, you know, So you
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: know it's it just be you know, you watch it
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: with such a nostalgia.
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: I mean, that's why people love it so much.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: Right, I don't think any other show had more drama,
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: more comedy, more complications amongst the characters, more distinctive voices,
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: and an incredibly safe environment where nothing really that bad
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: can happen. Yes, your terror of losing your loved one
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: or you know, losing a family connection, which is which
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: is real?
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, that never goes away, that fear.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: Right, all right, Matt, Now we're going to talk about
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: your talk about you. You were one of the kids
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: of the Harvard alum Springsteen family who Laurala and Rory
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: go visit while she's applying to Harvard. What was it
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: like filming that episode?
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: It was great, you know, I, Like I was saying earlier,
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: it was my first time on a set. I've done
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: a bunch of acting jobs, but this was my first
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: time on a set like that, of that level, where
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: every detail mattered and every shot mattered, and we did
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: many takes. There's most takes I've ever probably done of
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: coverage on any guest star situation, because there was a
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: lot of care in it. And I remember sitting around
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: that dining room table, just absolutely running that line the
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: scene over and over again. Were requising each other and
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: and I got to talk to Lauren and Alexis and
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: and it was it was like my first time meeting them,
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: and it was amazing. It was like a like a family.
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: And I became friends with the stand ins, and I
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: was there for a few days that week, and uh,
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: they were very long hours and but very satisfying, beautiful.
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: Thing people still come up to me for.
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: And as I know, you understand, and you know, it's
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: one little thing that became a big thing. And I
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: love that just because of that one time, and you know,
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: being on that show that one week like it, you know,
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: it's great. It's great that we were talking about it.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: It's amazing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's just amazing. Uh yeah,
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: this the banter so quick? How'd you get used to it?
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: You're already prepared for it? Right? Yeah?
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: I think I was, And you know I was.
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: I had my lines down wrote, and I was, you know,
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: anticipating rewrites and stuff, but that didn't really happen. You know,
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: it felt pretty locked. And I did, you know, same
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: thing I did in the audition and the callback and
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: on set many times on set, and you know, everyone
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: seemed kind of happy with the where it was going,
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: so I just made sure I did my job. I
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: mean those situations, you just feel like we have so
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: much to do in so many pages to get through
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: because they speak so fast that you.
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: Know it's a tall order.
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: So you get into that day with a mindset of like,
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: you know, I'm going to stay really focused and get
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: some rest and just be ready for the marathon.
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: And it was. It was a marathon.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: I tell you, if you can get through the closet
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: scene hamlet, you can do anything. You're an acting teacher. Now,
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: did you take anything you learn from the set of
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: Gilmore Girls into your teachings?
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah? Sure, I always do one. You know, I teach
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: four week classes.
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: In one of the weeks out of four, I sort
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: of do heightened language week, and it might be from masol,
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: or it might be from newsroom. And so the point
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: being the how do you sort of approach auditioning for
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: something like that? And now, because it's all on tape,
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: but when I coach people for Amy shows particular, it
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: says on the appointment sheet fast and perfect. So it
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: used to be you would hear that in the room,
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: and now they're telling you beforehand, when you tape this scene,
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: don't even think about not being fast and perfect. So
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: I take a lot of that into my classes, just
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: in terms of preparing them for readiness. And you know,
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: I hope they get to experience that kind of situation,
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: you know, where you get to say these beautiful words,
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: and you know a lot of actors don't get to
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: do that that often.
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: So you and I are lucky, you know.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: Very much. So I really never thought I had a
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: shot at this script was too good, and you know,
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: movie actors were migrating into film at that time. I
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: really started and I just thought, what, you know, I'll
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: just do another solid audition and move on.
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and then look at this. I mean, that's amazing.
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: I know, how many times did you have to go back?
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: One time?
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: I was the guest star in the pilot?
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: I was a guest the pilot. Guests are in the pilot.
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: You didn't even one audition?
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: Great, and then I threatened and bribed my way into
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: the cast. That's awesome.
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: That's awesome.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: I mean, you'd be crazy not to write and yeah,
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: of course that shows but uh, all right, what would
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: you say, is the best advice for anyone wanting to
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: get into this profession acting.
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: I think you have to treat every audition like it's
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: your first one in terms of readiness, and that you
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: have to treat every audition like it matters. You don't
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: know what that audition will lead to. It's not really
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: for that role, it's for many roles in many things
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: that that casting person does. And so you know, acts
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: like you're already on the set and you know you're
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: doing a rehearsal. Like that's the way I thought about auditions,
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: like we're already there, let's just play Easier said than done.
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: But that's the biggest advice I have for people.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: Great, great advice, great advice, and in real world terms,
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: it's it's true. I remember my first audition for a
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: huge feature casting director, and I was very nervous because
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: I figured, Hey, I'm probably not getting this job, but man,
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: if I can nail this and make an impression, she's
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: going to keep bringing me back in. She was. She
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: was like the goat, She's the go to casting director
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: for a massive director.
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: And I was just like, man, and you know that,
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: it's yeah right.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: It messes with you a little bit.
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, and.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: I've had about four auditions, so hopefully one day I
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: can break through. But you're you're one hundred percent right, Yeah,
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: you know you can. It will it will be beneficial
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: going forward. The better you're auditioning is. And it's really
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: you know, flipping the psychology in the room and not
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: being needy and just going in and taking command of
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: that room. And how you do that is your business.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: I have my technique. Other people have their techniques to
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: just take command and get their focus on you, you know,
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: because they're even if they're sitting there and they're looking
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: at you, their minds are somewhere else usually and you
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: got to do something different.
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: You've got got to surprise them, you do. You know,
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: you take like a half second longer and a pause
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: than they're used to hearing. You sort of shake them,
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: you know, and uh yeah, that's that can be a
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: really powerful thing.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's sure anyway, Matt so enjoyed it.
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, man, thank you, thanks for.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: Coming on the great insights. Good luck with your your
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: your career as an acting age. You are getting the
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: next generation of brilliant actors and actresses ready right unleashing
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: them on the world. We appreciate it. It's it's it's
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: a noble activity. I'll tell you.
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: It's thank you.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: Hard work, and it's caring work, and it's deep work.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: So uh yeah, good, good on you for that. Anyway,
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: thanks to appreciate the time and hope to see you again.
• 29:46
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