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  Speaker 1: Is the gold reform it.
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  Speaker 2: Tonight's an exclusive the cashed up candidate of the teals
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  Speaker 2: part of some homes the Court who isn't being quite
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  Speaker 2: straight with voters.
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  Speaker 3: Hi, I'm Ben Smith, I'm running as an independent.
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  Speaker 2: He also says this is not a Mormon that later,
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  Speaker 2: Plus how the coalition's Angus Taylor proved me wrong and
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  Speaker 2: wiped the floor last night in his debate with a
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  Speaker 2: Rattle Treasurer Jim Chalmers by calling out his lies, and
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  Speaker 2: an Australian judge calls out the way transgender medicos here
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  Speaker 2: deal with children thinking they might be transgender. The details
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  Speaker 2: are shocking. Plenty more tonight, including Barnaby Joyce, more humiliation
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  Speaker 2: for Najiny, Minister Chris Bone and Prince Harry and Court
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  Speaker 2: yet again complaining. But first, what a stunning, embarrassing, humiliating
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  Speaker 2: backflip from Donald Trump suspending his tariffs after just one day.
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  Speaker 2: I wonder the Chinese ambassador was gloating today. On Monday,
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  Speaker 2: Donald Trump's team denied the President would delay the devastating
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  Speaker 2: tarifts he announced just last week on all the imports,
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  Speaker 2: including from Australia, but overnight he suspended them. He did
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  Speaker 2: he did exactly what he said he wouldn't suspended all
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  Speaker 2: taris above ten percent for ninety days, apart from his
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  Speaker 2: tariffs on China. Now, there are a lot of Trump fanatics.
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  Speaker 2: You get cross with me and assist Trump can do
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  Speaker 2: no wrong. He's playing four dimensional chess that me immortals
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  Speaker 2: do not understand. I mean these people who yesterday praise
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  Speaker 2: Trump for his tariffs and today praise Trump for spanning
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  Speaker 2: the tariffs, who allegedly get even better deals for America.
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  Speaker 2: But there is no doubt he in fact realized this
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  Speaker 2: tariffs work causing the US massive damage. Dollars wiped off
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  Speaker 2: your stocks, and yesterday the final straw big investors selling
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  Speaker 2: out of the US bond market, raising the cost of
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  Speaker 2: borrowing too dangerous highs. And Trump admitted to be watching
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  Speaker 2: exactly that, and his move was related to the panic
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  Speaker 2: that he himself had caused.
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  Speaker 4: So I was watching the bond market. That bond market
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  Speaker 4: is very tricky. I was watching it. But if you
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  Speaker 4: look at it now, it's beautiful.
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  Speaker 2: The bond market right now is beautiful.
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  Speaker 4: But yeah, I saw last night where people were getting
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  Speaker 4: a little queen. So I thought that people were jumping.
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  Speaker 2: A little bit out of line.
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  Speaker 4: They were getting yippy, you know, they were getting a
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  Speaker 4: little bit yippy, a little bit afraid.
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  Speaker 2: How as you suggested. Four hours before he changed his mind,
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  Speaker 2: Trump posted on truth social a great time to buy,
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  Speaker 2: and sure enough America's markets went through the roof with
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  Speaker 2: the relief, the biggest recovery in two decades. In Australia,
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  Speaker 2: I was also lifted a lot four and a half percent,
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  Speaker 2: although they're still way down on the over the last
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  Speaker 2: three months. Now, Trump justified the suspension of tariff's above
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  Speaker 2: ten percent, which we're actually on anyway, but claiming more
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  Speaker 2: than seventy countries have begged him to make a deal
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  Speaker 2: with them and he needed time to negotiate all that.
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  Speaker 2: But again, the way he put it, the crudeness of
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  Speaker 2: his boast will make a lot of countries think twice
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  Speaker 2: about seeming that they're giving in to his bullying.
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  Speaker 4: Kissing my ass are they are dying to make a tipple.
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  Speaker 2: Now you can see right here, right today, how this
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  Speaker 2: sort of stuff is going to boomerang on Trump because
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  Speaker 2: Labor right now is falsely painting Oppositions leader Peter Dutton
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  Speaker 2: as a Trump fan with lies like this one.
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  Speaker 5: Peter Dutton has made clear he would cut a deal,
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  Speaker 5: no question.
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  Speaker 2: And the media is pushing this too. I mean, just well,
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  Speaker 2: have a listened to this smart act question that Dunton
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  Speaker 2: got today from Channel seven steem less.
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  Speaker 6: Than Donald Trump has said he's got world leaders wanting
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  Speaker 6: to go and kiss his backside in Washington. How do
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  Speaker 6: we know when you go that you'll actually be negotiating
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  Speaker 6: a better deal and not just kissing his backside.
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  Speaker 2: My job as Prime Minister will be to stand up
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  Speaker 2: for our country. I will stand up for our best interests.
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  Speaker 2: So do you think a Prime Minister Peter Dutton or
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  Speaker 2: any Western leader with self respect would even dare reward
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  Speaker 2: Trump with concessions and get a reputation back home as
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  Speaker 2: and ask kiss her now? It is true that Trump
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  Speaker 2: could now strike some better trade deals for the US,
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  Speaker 2: but huge damage has still being done to investors. You
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  Speaker 2: lost money for a start, and to any faith that
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  Speaker 2: investors or other countries will now have in dealing with
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  Speaker 2: Trump's US. That comes at a cost too. And then
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  Speaker 2: there's the friendships with allies that has damaged, friendships that
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  Speaker 2: have helped make the US powerful, the free world's leader.
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  Speaker 2: And this is why China is now jumping on this
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  Speaker 2: issue as part of its plan to replace the US
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  Speaker 2: as the world's top superpower. That's growing discuss and fear
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  Speaker 2: of many in the West with what Trump is doing
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  Speaker 2: is exploiting that China things great. We will now reach
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  Speaker 2: out to other countries and get them to back US
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  Speaker 2: and not the US. So you saw today China's ambassador
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  Speaker 2: to Australia writing in the non newspapers that Australia join
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  Speaker 2: hands with China and the rest of the world to
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  Speaker 2: deal Donald Trump's changes. Now, what China really wants is
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  Speaker 2: our help to get off the hook for a start.
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  Speaker 2: I mean Trump may have postponed high tariffs in other countries,
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  Speaker 2: but not China. Infected yesterday increased his tariffs on Chinese
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  Speaker 2: imports even more to one hundred and twenty five percent,
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  Speaker 2: to punish you for fighting back with its own tariff
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  Speaker 2: on US imports. Now, I want to point out something
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  Speaker 2: to that ambassador and to the many Australians who are
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  Speaker 2: now telling surveys that Trump is the greatest menace to
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  Speaker 2: the world. It is true he's carrying on like a
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  Speaker 2: bull in a China shop, or actually times a bit
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  Speaker 2: of a thug. But nothing he does comes close to
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  Speaker 2: China for brutality, menace, and threat. I mean China, the
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  Speaker 2: world's most powerful dictations in history, sent naval ships to
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  Speaker 2: intimidate us. It's imposed its own trade bands to punish
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  Speaker 2: us for defending freedom. Have we forgotten it's a police
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  Speaker 2: state with this Chinese ambassador would be thrown in jail
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  Speaker 2: if he tomorrow called for elections in China, I mean
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  Speaker 2: real elections, freedom of speech, off to the Gulag. But
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  Speaker 2: this is the worry. Donald Trump is dividing the West
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  Speaker 2: and he is giving China the chance to win new friends.
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  Speaker 2: And that is dangerous. Now two top Albaneze government ministers
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  Speaker 2: have just had their backsides hands of them, as Trump
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  Speaker 2: would say that they're being humiliated in two debates, one
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  Speaker 2: last night and the other today. As you might have
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  Speaker 2: seen on sky, it was incredible and here I have
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  Speaker 2: to apologize. I have to issue an apology to the
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  Speaker 2: coalition's shadow treasurer Angus Taylor. Last night I suggest Taylor
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  Speaker 2: would struggle against Treasure Jim Charmers in this debate. Instead
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  Speaker 2: he wiped the floor with him last night absolutely rattled Charmers.
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  Speaker 2: And today the Coalition stead O'Brien did the same, perhaps
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  Speaker 2: even more destroying Albanese's Energy and climate change minister Chris
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  Speaker 2: Bond global warm fanatic in their debate. So that's two
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  Speaker 2: of Albanese's top ministers exposed, and interestingly in exactly the
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  Speaker 2: same way. If only Australia, all Australia have been watching,
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  Speaker 2: they had these two ministers had labourslies around, write back
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  Speaker 2: down on their throats when they're finally confronted a man
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  Speaker 2: to man by liberals who are right on top of
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  Speaker 2: the details, and I'll show you. You take Chris Barton,
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  Speaker 2: he was stupid enough to repeat the obvious lie that
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  Speaker 2: the coalition seven promised nuclear reactors would cost six hundred
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  Speaker 2: billion dollars, which is a totally absurd figure the first moderator,
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  Speaker 2: Tom Connell, couldn't swallow. And that's just for a start.
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  Speaker 7: Pulling this back to that figure of six hundred that
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  Speaker 7: is an absolute maximum.
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  Speaker 6: Figure quoted by one logging.
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  Speaker 8: You could argue it's conservative, but that's because of the
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  Speaker 8: cost flow outs we've seen overseas.
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  Speaker 7: By cost blow outs from the worst projects.
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  Speaker 8: Well, I think it's a I think it's a very
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  Speaker 8: carefully calibrated real world cost example.
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  Speaker 5: You noticed that Chris Bowen could not answer the question.
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  Speaker 5: He can't explain the six hundred billion. He can't explain it.
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  Speaker 5: In his opening remarks and even just then he talked
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  Speaker 5: about the importance of listening to the CSI. Right, if
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  Speaker 5: you look at the capital cost of a nuclear program
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  Speaker 5: under the CSIRO, Chris Bone and the Labor Party, I'm
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  Speaker 5: multiplying that by a factor of five to get to
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  Speaker 5: six hundred billion, it is an utter lie. Under our
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  Speaker 5: plan it will be up to one hundred and twenty
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  Speaker 5: billion dollars. You know, you've got your political opponents on
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  Speaker 5: the ropes when the best argument they can come out
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  Speaker 5: with is a complete and utter lie.
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  Speaker 2: So every time in the rest of this campaign you
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  Speaker 2: hear Labor lying that the coalitions nuclear actives cost six
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  Speaker 2: hundred million dollars. No that Chris Bone couldn't back that
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  Speaker 2: up today, But O'Brien also whacked Bone for breaking his
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  Speaker 2: promise the cut power bills by two hundred and seventy
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  Speaker 2: five dollars with his crazy green schemes, and Sky's Chris
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  Speaker 2: Hulman couldn't even get Bone to admit their power prices
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  Speaker 2: and in fact gone not down but up.
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  Speaker 8: So I'm not exactly sure what your question is really
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  Speaker 8: in reality.
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  Speaker 1: It's a very very simple question.
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  Speaker 9: Have electacity prices risen on your w the exact opposite
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  Speaker 9: of what you pledged?
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  Speaker 10: Have that?
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  Speaker 8: We have never denied. We have never denied that energy
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  Speaker 8: prices are higher than we would like. That's why we've
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  Speaker 8: delivered three rounds of energy be relief.
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  Speaker 1: Relieve you wrote electricity prices have fallen.
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  Speaker 10: That's not true, is it?
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  Speaker 6: Well?
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  Speaker 8: The fact of the matter is, if you look at
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  Speaker 8: the recent data, Australia has had the lowest energy inflation
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  Speaker 8: in the world.
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  Speaker 10: You know you.
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  Speaker 8: Might deny that, and I know you deny several things.
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  Speaker 10: The reason for it? What is the reason for it?
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  Speaker 11: Mister you?
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  Speaker 8: When you ask you a question or your debating what's that?
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  Speaker 1: You are completely avoiding it as you always do.
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  Speaker 2: We get a blast.
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  Speaker 8: I know you're a man of strongomies on these matters,
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  Speaker 8: and I said, I've always had respect for you, but
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  Speaker 8: I have a fundamentally different view to the one that
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  Speaker 8: you have developed in recent years, which you express on Sky.
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  Speaker 2: That man is ricking our energy system on the basis
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  Speaker 2: of lies. You heard him there he couldn't answer. Then
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  Speaker 2: last night on Sky you had cocky Treasurer and Jim
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  Speaker 2: Chalmers come up against the coalitions Angus Taylor, who's never
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  Speaker 2: seemed more impressive, who again nailed him on Labour's lies
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  Speaker 2: like that Lae about the six hundred billion dollar nuclear
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  Speaker 2: reactors and secret liberal cuts the medicare, which is another
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  Speaker 2: complete lie.
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  Speaker 1: It can't find six hundred billion dollars to pay for
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  Speaker 1: those nuclear reactors without coming after medicare.
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  Speaker 2: And he trotted out this slave before he really got
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  Speaker 2: it back at him that this alban eazy government, the
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  Speaker 2: wonderful governor left our finances in great shape to deal
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  Speaker 2: with any hits that are coming from Donald Trump's tariff's.
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  Speaker 1: We go into this uncertainty around the world from a
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  Speaker 1: position of strength.
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  Speaker 7: Can I just start with some nonsense we've heard from
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  Speaker 7: Jim jendfp Perkapita has gone backwards for twenty one months
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  Speaker 7: in a row under your so called stewardship, Jim, and
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  Speaker 7: the result of that is our household standard of living,
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  Speaker 7: what our incomes combined in terms of goods and services,
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  Speaker 7: has collapsed in an unprecedented way seven point nine percent
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  Speaker 7: since she came into government. The buffers are gone. If
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  Speaker 7: you look at household budgets that they're deep into digging
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  Speaker 7: into their savings. We see that when the national accounts
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  Speaker 7: come out every three months, and when it comes to government,
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  Speaker 7: you're on your way to one point two three dollars
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  Speaker 7: of debt.
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  Speaker 2: I showed you all that so you will know how
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  Speaker 2: unimpressive key members of this government are when they're finally
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  Speaker 2: confronted by people who know their stuff. Join Me's the
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  Speaker 2: moderator of that debate. You just sawce going his business
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  Speaker 2: editor Ross Greenwood. Ross Greenwood, thank you so much for
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  Speaker 2: joining me. Look, I've often said Angus Taylor knows his stuff,
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  Speaker 2: but it doesn't seem confident when he's presenting it. Well,
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  Speaker 2: last night I saw a very different man, and I
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  Speaker 2: also saw a treasurer in some of his trademark cockiness
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  Speaker 2: knocked out of him. What did you get out of
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  Speaker 2: that debate?
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  Speaker 12: The one thing that really struck me is that for
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  Speaker 12: both of them, right now, you've got the unemployment rate
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  Speaker 12: forecast in our budget at four and a quarter percent.
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  Speaker 12: You've got deficits and debt going on for a decade
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  Speaker 12: into the future with no view of trying to balance
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  Speaker 12: the books. So if all of a sudden you had
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  Speaker 12: a downturn in the world economy, if you had a
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  Speaker 12: global recession, Australia is not well equipped to cope with it.
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  Speaker 12: The only inevitable thing that would have to happen for
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  Speaker 12: both of those treasurers, both of those men, is either
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  Speaker 12: to cut the budget hard, to cut services, to cut
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  Speaker 12: public servants, because that will be one way of dealing
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  Speaker 12: with it. The other way of dealing it is put
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  Speaker 12: it on the bank guard, in other words, gloss over
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  Speaker 12: it now but give future generations even lower lifestyles. And
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  Speaker 12: so one of the big issues that's come out of
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  Speaker 12: the post COVID period is when you've had basically seven
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  Speaker 12: of the last eight quarters, so twenty one out of
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  Speaker 12: the past twenty four quarters, Australians being in a per
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  Speaker 12: capita recessions, their lifestyle basically going backwards, their personal wealth
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  Speaker 12: going backwards at the fastest rate for years. Is a
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  Speaker 12: big question as to how that can happen at the
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  Speaker 12: same time that the government has got itself snookered and
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  Speaker 12: really doesn't have much defense against a future down to it.
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  Speaker 2: Look, I got that too. The cupboard is bare. The
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  Speaker 2: debate between Chris Bone and Ted O'Brien today, what do
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  Speaker 2: you make of that one.
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  Speaker 12: Well, here I really saw two people who engaged with
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  Speaker 12: their own particular philosophies and their personalities. But you've got
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  Speaker 12: a glimpse into the future with both and I thought
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  Speaker 12: that was really interesting how they're conflicting and contrasting. But
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  Speaker 12: you know, one thing on the Coalition side, with the
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  Speaker 12: nuclear policy that they have, even though I believe that
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  Speaker 12: nuclear should be in the mix in Australia, I'm firmly
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  Speaker 12: of that belief. But then on the other side, quite clearly,
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  Speaker 12: I do recognize that to roll up renewable energy is
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  Speaker 12: in the short term, so long as it can be
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  Speaker 12: hooked up to the grid, is relatively cheap. That's the
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  Speaker 12: important part about it, because it's the networking of costs.
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  Speaker 12: But then on the other problem I have with the
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  Speaker 12: Coalition policy is if they allow private enterprise to largely
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  Speaker 12: determine where those nuclear reactors would be built, I'll be
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  Speaker 12: much happier than having them in the hands of government,
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  Speaker 12: having them in the hands of taxpayers. That to me
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  Speaker 12: doesn't make as much sense. But then if really Antony
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  Speaker 12: Albinezi and Chris Bowen believe that nuclear is so unaffordable
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  Speaker 12: in Australia, they would immediately just lift the band and say, look,
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  Speaker 12: if anybody is stupid enough to build one of these
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  Speaker 12: things and bring all this energy in at these higher prices,
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  Speaker 12: knock yourself out, go for your life, lose your billions
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  Speaker 12: of dollars. We're not going to be there to support you.
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  Speaker 12: They don't do that, and part of the reason for
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  Speaker 12: that is philosophically, they know that with Green's votes, they
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  Speaker 12: will lose support if they do that, and so they're
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  Speaker 12: not even prepared to let the market work out which
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  Speaker 12: form of energy is actually cheaper and more reliable for Australians.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's because their ban is essentially religious, not rational.
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  Speaker 2: Donald Trump backing down on Tariffskesmans, this is all planned.
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  Speaker 2: This was part of the art of the deal. We're
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  Speaker 2: just too stupid to see it, was it. In fact,
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  Speaker 2: they back down in the face of disaster.
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  Speaker 12: Oh look, there's no doubt that was a part of
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  Speaker 12: the strategy behind this. They would have been spook by
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  Speaker 12: seeing financial markets melt down. They would have been spook
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  Speaker 12: by seeing the recessions. Now to be you know, to
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  Speaker 12: recognize they put the tariffs on and then took them
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  Speaker 12: off almost twenty four hours later. Except with China, so therefore,
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  Speaker 12: today our time, you saw China impose eighty four percent
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  Speaker 12: tariffs on the United States in retaliation for those tariffs
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  Speaker 12: from the United States on China of up to one
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  Speaker 12: hundred and twenty five percent. That's going to go back
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  Speaker 12: and forth, and that's where the fight is. So for
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  Speaker 12: places like say the best one an example I've got
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  Speaker 12: is Vietnam. Now, Vietnam has become a major supplier of
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  Speaker 12: steel in the world. It actually floods into Australia as well,
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  Speaker 12: imported steel, cheap imported steel. Now they were basically making
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  Speaker 12: this steel, cheaper steel with very modern factories and said
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  Speaker 12: it straight to the United States. So a tariff forty
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  Speaker 12: six percent on Vietnamese steel and all other goods being
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  Speaker 12: manufactured in an emerging nation. Now they're negotiating with the
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  Speaker 12: United States right now for their own separate, independent trade
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  Speaker 12: deal to try and avert the impact of the tariffs.
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  Speaker 2: But you saw the markets.
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  Speaker 12: Roll around and then certainly raw back to life with
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  Speaker 12: some of the biggest rises for the Nasdaq and the
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  Speaker 12: S and P five hundred, the broader share market index
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  Speaker 12: in America in more than twenty years. And that just
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  Speaker 12: tells you everything about the impact of these tariffs and
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  Speaker 12: for demand and the prospect of a global recession.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, and the Vietnam also makes a lot of American sneakers.
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  Speaker 2: And I just wondered whether the Americans really wanted those
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  Speaker 2: tariffs so that sneakers went out from what would it
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  Speaker 2: be about one hundred dollars Australian to maybe three hundred
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  Speaker 2: dollars astranders that were made in America. I cannot see
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  Speaker 2: that Trump would want that. That's probably even more important
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  Speaker 2: than this steel. Ross Green would thank you so much,
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  Speaker 2: indeed for your time. Always got the Chad Andrew. We'll
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  Speaker 2: come back to the election a bit later, but first
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: to a stunning decision in the family court. They should
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  Speaker 2: raise the alarm about how children are given puty blockers
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  Speaker 2: in this country. The judge stripped the mother of the
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  Speaker 2: custody of a son who she claim was actually a
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  Speaker 2: girl in a boy's body and should get puity blockers.
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  Speaker 2: The father disagreed, he wanted to let his child be
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  Speaker 2: a child, and the judge said, well, leading child gender
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  Speaker 2: medicine experts treating this child had misled his court. The
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  Speaker 2: nation's peak gender clinics, he said, also should be criticized
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  Speaker 2: he said, one of our top gender clinics seemed to
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  Speaker 2: affirm unreservedly any child thinking they were of the opposite gender,
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: and in this case, they didn't give this twelve year
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: old the formal gender dysphoria diagnosis until the court's proceedings started,
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: despite having treated this child for six years. The judge
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: said that with age this child made in fact, well
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: they might decide they're female, they might decide male. Wasn't
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: immutable and at this stage in the child's life, twelve
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: years old, all options should be left open without any
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: unacceptable risk of harm to the child. Joining me is
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: Andrew Amos, an academic pschiatrists, has co authored a paper
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: in the journal Australasian Pschiatry warning that there was too
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: much politics and not enough science in helping children change gender. Andrew,
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: thank you so much for your time. Again, Look how
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: important is this judgment.
• 19:35
  Speaker 9: Evening, Andrew? Well, look, the judgment itself is obviously crucial
• 19:38
  Speaker 9: for the health of this young boy and for the
• 19:41
  Speaker 9: father that fought to protect him from the dangerous practices
• 19:44
  Speaker 9: at one of Australia's leading child gender clinics. But in
• 19:47
  Speaker 9: my opinion, it might also turn out to be the
• 19:49
  Speaker 9: moment when Australia turned away from the harmful treatment called
• 19:52
  Speaker 9: gender affirming care. So basically, Justice Strom's judgment revealed that
• 19:57
  Speaker 9: Australia has all the same problems that led the Americans
• 20:00
  Speaker 9: in Europeans to ban puberty blockers and hormones for gender
• 20:03
  Speaker 9: confused kids. So clinicians, for example, ignored alternative diagnoses, excluded
• 20:09
  Speaker 9: the child's father from treatment, and failed to do the
• 20:12
  Speaker 9: sort of detailed assessment that's necessary to ensure patient safety,
• 20:16
  Speaker 9: and they put this kid at unacceptable risk.
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: Look, it's just disgusting when you hear these details. I mean,
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: can you imagine being a father and being excluded from
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: a decision to do terrible you know, with a long potential,
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: long term damage to your child, without you having a
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: say in it. I mean, it's just extraordinary. What does
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: it tell you about the way transgender clinics in Australia
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: are run.
• 20:44
  Speaker 9: Well, what's amazing about this judgment is how clinically it
• 20:47
  Speaker 9: describes what actually happens at Australia's gender clinics. So these
• 20:51
  Speaker 9: clinics have been criticized for years outsiders, including myself, but
• 20:56
  Speaker 9: they've successfully avoided scrutiny, scrutiny until now. The advantage of
• 21:01
  Speaker 9: a trial is the opportunity to cross examine clinicians under oath,
• 21:06
  Speaker 9: and the judgment clearly outlines how these clinicians were so
• 21:09
  Speaker 9: focused on gender that they ignored all other causes of
• 21:13
  Speaker 9: gender confusion, and they refused to offer any other treatment
• 21:16
  Speaker 9: than affirmation, which, in my opinion, traps confused kids into
• 21:20
  Speaker 9: a lifetime of unnecessary and harmful medical and surgical intervention.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: Well, Andrew, you've been warning about this for years, right
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: about too much politics, too much ideology, not enough just
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: you know, just treat the child as a child. What
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: needs to be done.
• 21:42
  Speaker 9: Well, Look, in my opinion, we really need to follow
• 21:44
  Speaker 9: the international research and ban gender affirmic care immediately. So
• 21:48
  Speaker 9: the reviews being done now in Queensland and nationally maybe
• 21:52
  Speaker 9: necessary politically, but they're medically redundant and it's kids in
• 21:56
  Speaker 9: their families that are paying the price. So I think
• 21:59
  Speaker 9: we have enough information already available. We can prevent the
• 22:03
  Speaker 9: harms being done to these vulnerable children and no one
• 22:08
  Speaker 9: will ever have to again read a judgment like this one,
• 22:11
  Speaker 9: which really made my blood boil, and I think justice
• 22:15
  Speaker 9: will be done.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: Well, it also needs to become a political issue. Honestly too,
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: the politicians are handing the money to these clinics, and
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: they should really step in. If we don't step in,
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: the kind of treatment that's been exposed here, if it's typical,
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: what kind of damage could be done to a vulnerable child.
• 22:40
  Speaker 10: Well, look, the.
• 22:40
  Speaker 9: Main danger, and I think it's directly described by Justice
• 22:44
  Speaker 9: Strum in the judgment, is that children's natural curiosity and
• 22:48
  Speaker 9: exploration is misinterpreted by the clinicians as a permanent and
• 22:53
  Speaker 9: unchangeable reality. Now, Justice Strum was very clear that he
• 22:56
  Speaker 9: did not buy that in this case, and he did
• 22:59
  Speaker 9: not buy that as a general possibility for kids. He said,
• 23:02
  Speaker 9: for example, helicited from the clinicians and experts in the
• 23:06
  Speaker 9: case that there is no evidence that there is a
• 23:09
  Speaker 9: permanent and unchangeable gender identity. This was simply an opinion
• 23:13
  Speaker 9: of those clinicians. So kids who get misinterpreted in this
• 23:18
  Speaker 9: way get pushed onto a lifelong treadmill of treatment, and
• 23:21
  Speaker 9: this can have terrible side effects, which can include infertility, osteoporesis,
• 23:26
  Speaker 9: sexual dysfunction, or even in the worst case's suicide. But
• 23:31
  Speaker 9: I also think it's important to note the damage done
• 23:33
  Speaker 9: to the father in this case, who had to fight
• 23:36
  Speaker 9: really his ex wife, the clinicians at the clinic, and
• 23:39
  Speaker 9: the health system just to protect his son. So, as
• 23:43
  Speaker 9: I said, I think justice probably was done in this case,
• 23:46
  Speaker 9: but we're certainly not always so fortunate.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: Well, I would say that as a hero father right there,
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: Andrew Amos, thank you so much, and also thank you
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: for trying for so long to do something to raise
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: awareness of this issue. Takes time, but at least and.
• 24:04
  Speaker 9: Thank you for your efforts in raising the awareness. As
• 24:07
  Speaker 9: I said, the main reason that these clinics have been
• 24:10
  Speaker 9: able to go along with this sort of treatment is
• 24:13
  Speaker 9: the lack of scrutiny. So the more people that know
• 24:16
  Speaker 9: about the things that are happening here, the more resistance
• 24:19
  Speaker 9: there is, and the more politicians I think will start
• 24:22
  Speaker 9: to respond to what's obviously a huge injustice.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: And Raemos thank you very much. After the break, Barnaby
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: Joyce puts in the boot another bad moment for Energy
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: Minister Chris Boone in today's The Vates his refusal to
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: admit that the very Documentcy is waving around this is
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: proof I tell you said that his own plan, not
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: the liberals plan, Labour's plan to power Australia on wind
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: and solar would cost US six hundred billion dollars.
• 24:57
  Speaker 5: Can you please tell the Australian people the total system
• 25:02
  Speaker 5: cost of your plan to get the national electricity market
• 25:07
  Speaker 5: to net zero by twenty to fifty in real terms.
• 25:10
  Speaker 8: You've mentioned that I referred to a whole heap of
• 25:12
  Speaker 8: documents that I have, and I make no apologies for
• 25:13
  Speaker 8: that for you question.
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: Honestly. Chris Bowen joining me is our regular Thursday guest
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: Barnaby Joyce, the Nationals Front benure and former Deputy Prime minister.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: But it'd be great to see you. Look. One thing
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: that Ted O'Brien, the Coalition's Ted O'Brien did in that
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: debate was refused to rule out pulling Australia out of
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: the Paris Agreement. Donald Trump's pulled out America already and
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: then walking away from our promise to cateurymissions by forty
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: three percent by twenty thirty if it's in the national interest.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: He said, you'd be glad about that, wouldn't you.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: Well, I have views that I shall not disclose on
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: a public on a public broadcast. What I can say
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: is this, you can't. What mister Bowen represents is eighty
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: two percent intimate of power. Stop calling them renewables, please,
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: eighty two percent INTI minute power by twenty thirty. Now,
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: now they show all these documents and I get that,
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: and obviously mister Bowen knows the documents but does want
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: to tell us about them. But the only document you
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: really need to understand is.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: Your power bill.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: Your power bill is going through the roof. Not any
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: major manufacturer in the world wants to move to Australia.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: This is a total cluster. And the fact that mister
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: Bowen stands behind it sort of, this resolute sort of
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: view despite all the evidence, is the reason why he
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: may lose his own seat. I mean, maybe that's the
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: only way this gentleman will have an epiphany when he
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: no longer has the job. The Australian people have worked
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: it out. They are over this intermitute swindle. They're over it.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: I'm here in Ipswich and they're over it. It doesn't matter
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: where you go to the top end of town, at
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: the bottom of the town, in the middle of it, down.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: They all hate it.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: But I'm mister Bonne, it isn't a different planet.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: And look, I thought Ted O'Brien put in a really
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: good performance. I thought, wow, that's really impressive. What a pity. Yeah, well,
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: it's just a point that care about.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: It went to something that in good retail, retail holding,
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: go to one question and ask them over and over again,
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: and as they say, as you guys know, as the
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: media knows, the third time they don't answer, it is
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: the time you know they're.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: Lying, correct, correct. But having praised this performance, I'm going
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: to say this one point I never hear the liberals
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: make when Labour says what Chris Bones said again today
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: about your nuclear plan, Oh it's no good because it's
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: going to take at least twelve years to build the
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: first reactor.
• 27:51
  Speaker 10: Here is the problems with their plan are many.
• 27:54
  Speaker 8: It's a bizarre approach, frankly, which argues that the answer
• 27:57
  Speaker 8: to needing more cheap energy now is to introduce the
• 28:02
  Speaker 8: most expensive form of energy in by their own admission,
• 28:05
  Speaker 8: twelve years time.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: Well, it's not the most expensive system costs absolutely not.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: That's another lie. But what you should point out is
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: that the Snowy Mountains hydro scheme that's become a symbol
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: of Australia a symbol of nation building we're so proud of.
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: It took more than twice as long to build twenty
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: five years from the start in nineteen forty nine, and
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: no one says that was a mistake. Oh, we shouldn't
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: do that because it's going to take twenty five years.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: That is called planning ahead, Barnaby, No, of course.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: I mean it's like it's a simple analogy that when
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: is the best time to plant a tree? Well, probably
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: thirty years ago, what's.
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: The next best time right now? What are you going
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: to say, Well.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: Unless the hill house is fully built right now, I'm
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: going to live.
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: In a tent.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: Well, that's insane to build a proper house, you know,
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: do the planning.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: Build a house.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: It's ridiculous to say that every other country's got it wrong.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: But that gentleman at the Nashville wherever he was, Chris
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: byd Today, he's smarter than the French. He's smarter than
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: the Chinese. He's smarter than the Americans, the Canadians, that Russians,
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: the Indians, the Pakistanis He's smarter than all of them.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: He's the smartest man in the world. And all the
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: other countries that are going down the nuclear path are
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: just doping, you know. No, Chris Bowen is doping and
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: his process is dopey, and it's hurting people. And when
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: our nation has China breathing down our neck, we need
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: to become as powerful as possible, as quickly as possible.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: He has signed us up to win mills and solar panels.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: It's unbelievable. It's unbelievable. And by the way, windmills are
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: solar panels largely built by China just to rub salt
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: in the wound. I mean, it's just quite extraordinary. Banaby Joyce,
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: thank you so much, indeed for your time. After the
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: break Heels candidate who denies as actually a Mormon. Some
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: say it was a past through denies denies, which did
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: surprise me. I live in whatso almost a marginal seat,
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: a liberal one south of Melbourne, and for me, this
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: election is looking even more bizarre, a snapshot of our
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: unreal times. The Greens candidate identifies as an Aboriginal man
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: obviously has mixed heritage, although it should at least be
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: grateful he is not one of the Green's painted hair candidates.
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: Is painting your hair a tribal thing? Do you think
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: or a safe way of being a rebel. Exactly exactly
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: like all the other rebels of your tribe. You know,
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: very individual in a very conforming way.
• 30:50
  Speaker 10: You're all individual. Yeah, you're all different.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: I'm not.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: A Green's meeting. And then there's the Teal candidate in
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: this see to run off the bat isn't quite telling
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: the full story in my opinion.
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: Hi, I'm Ben Smith.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: I'm running as an independent.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: In fact, Ben Smith is backed by the Teals political
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: grouping run by multimillionaire Simon Holmes a Court and is
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: listed as one of the candidates they support and they
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: fund because these candidates told the Climate two hundreds agenda. Now,
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: Ben Smith seems a nice enough guy, a lovely smile,
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: worked in the community. Even if his politics are the left,
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: you know, it's still nice. But he does seem curious
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: pick for a Teals party that seems to me to
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: appeal to the godless left, because he is a former
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: president and minister of a church, a breakaway church from
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: the Mormon one. Although he does deny being a Mormon
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: on his website, no it says Ben is not a
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: Mormon and has no connection to the Mormon church. That
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: claim is misinformation being spread by opponents. But is it
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: that simple?
• 32:15
  Speaker 13: Is it?
• 32:15
  Speaker 11: Men?
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: Woe for years for the Community of Christ before running
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: a community center.
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: My previous role before I came to this one was
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: the mission president of the Community of Christ in Australia,
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: a denomination that's been around for about one hundred and
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: fifty years, and I'd consider I'd probably describe it as
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: a traditional church with more progressive values and the.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: Community of Christ is, in fact a liberal breakaway from
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: the Mormons. Is not actually part of the Church of
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: the Latter day Saints, but it does say in its
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: website that we affirmed the Bible as a foundation of
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: scripture for the church. In addition, Community of Christ uses
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: the Book of Mormon as well as other Mormon writings.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: And the Book of Mormon, as you should know, was
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: supposedly found written on gold tablets by Joseph Smith on
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: a hill in New York State.
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: God travels with us even when we are standing still.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: Now, just where Ben Smith's money comes from? I sent
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: an email. I've got no answer, but by my reckoning,
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: it's enormous, and it's between a million and a million
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: and a half dollars. I mean, it's it's huge. You've
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: got massive billboards, the electric carpeted with his yellow signs,
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: massive advertising on Facebook, lots of ads in the paper.
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: It all adds up three officers in the electorate. Three
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: and you just say that seems just, you know, a
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: little bit of an odd candidate for the Teals, even
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: if Smith plays that down as well by campaigning in
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: yellow instead. Join me is the panel. Will Kingston, host
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: of far at Will a podcast from the Spectator, and
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: Politics and Culture and calor En Darusso commentary and president
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: of the Worst Australian Liberals. What an election Will? I mean,
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: there's been so much spin, so many untruths, especially from Labor.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: What is this telling you about the country that you've
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: left behind? A little bit sitting there in London.
• 34:13
  Speaker 13: It's interesting that you've honed in on individual identity there, Andrew,
• 34:17
  Speaker 13: and I think one of the reasons the individual identity
• 34:19
  Speaker 13: of the candidates is more noticeable is because the parties
• 34:23
  Speaker 13: have given up on their collective identity. Caroline may disagree
• 34:26
  Speaker 13: with me on this, but I think you have a
• 34:27
  Speaker 13: liberal party that has given up on classical liberalism. You
• 34:30
  Speaker 13: have a Labor party that has given up on labor.
• 34:32
  Speaker 13: In other words, the working class. Even the Greens, you know,
• 34:35
  Speaker 13: no longer really care about greenery in the sense that
• 34:37
  Speaker 13: they're not saving the trees in the same way that
• 34:39
  Speaker 13: Bob Brown once did. As a result of that, I
• 34:43
  Speaker 13: think you have two parts to the leaders of the
• 34:45
  Speaker 13: major parties that embody that lack of vision, and fundamentally,
• 34:49
  Speaker 13: we're going to reach a point in Australia of the
• 34:51
  Speaker 13: next three years where you're not going to have any
• 34:52
  Speaker 13: significant reform, just like we haven't had any significant reform
• 34:56
  Speaker 13: in the twenty years previously, and we're going to putter
• 34:58
  Speaker 13: along in this sense of placency.
• 35:00
  Speaker 5: Now.
• 35:00
  Speaker 13: I understand that realignment of major parties is a global
• 35:03
  Speaker 13: phenomena at the moment you look at the Republican Party,
• 35:06
  Speaker 13: but at least the Republican Party ditched one identity to
• 35:10
  Speaker 13: then take another. I think what the major parties Australia
• 35:13
  Speaker 13: have done is they ditch their old identities. They don't
• 35:16
  Speaker 13: have a new identity to really grasp on to, so
• 35:18
  Speaker 13: you have this unique party of complacency, which I don't
• 35:21
  Speaker 13: think is a particularly good thing for Austria. Australia, I
• 35:24
  Speaker 13: think it's why we have such an uninspiring election at
• 35:26
  Speaker 13: the moment.
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: Karen Russo them fighting words from Will what do you
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: make of that?
• 35:33
  Speaker 11: Very fighting words, and of course is entitled to his opinion,
• 35:36
  Speaker 11: and of course he knew even before I got asked
• 35:39
  Speaker 11: the question that I would disagree with that, and I,
• 35:43
  Speaker 11: like many, put my money where my mouth is when
• 35:46
  Speaker 11: it comes to my liberal values, and everyone knows those
• 35:50
  Speaker 11: very well for me. The point here that is very
• 35:53
  Speaker 11: interesting about candidates like Ben Smith, like the Independent movement,
• 35:58
  Speaker 11: is that they like to pretend that they're different to
• 36:01
  Speaker 11: the major parties and that there's all this transparency and
• 36:04
  Speaker 11: authenticity and all the pilava that we've had to listen
• 36:08
  Speaker 11: to over the course of the last four years. And
• 36:12
  Speaker 11: you know, it's funny that we have seen that not
• 36:15
  Speaker 11: necessarily to be the case. And we'll be talking about
• 36:18
  Speaker 11: the division of forest shortly, but you know, we've got
• 36:23
  Speaker 11: doctor Sue Chapman running as essentially a teal independent type
• 36:27
  Speaker 11: down in Forest and she's a Green, she's very very
• 36:31
  Speaker 11: green money from the Green's, former Greens member, all of
• 36:35
  Speaker 11: those sorts of things. So when you're out there and
• 36:38
  Speaker 11: you want to campaign on accountability and you want a
• 36:41
  Speaker 11: campaign on transparency, you want to make sure that you've
• 36:44
  Speaker 11: got all your ducks in a row on those sorts
• 36:46
  Speaker 11: of things. If that there is essentially what is the
• 36:51
  Speaker 11: substance of your platform. You don't want to be found wanting.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: No, I would agree with you.
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: There.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: Here's another thing, will identifying as Aboriginal. Why is exactly
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: why exactly is that a thing? A qualification is something
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: I'm a proud this and list. I mean people go
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: around saying, you know, I'm a proud Asian or a
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: proud Caucasian, I'm a proud white. Why is it that
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: actually a thing in politics?
• 37:20
  Speaker 13: Now, well, it's not a thing, or at least it
• 37:23
  Speaker 13: shouldn't be a thing, and it shouldn't be a thing
• 37:25
  Speaker 13: in Flinders Flinders. I just checked when fifty seven percent
• 37:28
  Speaker 13: no in the Voice referendum, they're very clearly said that
• 37:31
  Speaker 13: they are not interested in indigenous symbolism. But the thing is, Andrew,
• 37:37
  Speaker 13: is that it is so hard for the far left
• 37:40
  Speaker 13: to give up identity politics. It is being rejected around
• 37:43
  Speaker 13: the world. It's being rejected in the US, it was
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  Speaker 13: rejected in Australia comprehensively in the Voice referendum, but it
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  Speaker 13: is now so central to the Greens and the labor
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  Speaker 13: agenda that these people they can't they can't run on
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  Speaker 13: being the party of the working class like they once did,
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  Speaker 13: or the Greens can't run on being the party of
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  Speaker 13: environmentalism like they once did, and so they've got to
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  Speaker 13: pick these stupid identity politics type issues to try and
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  Speaker 13: to find themselves. And unfortunately mainstream people just don't care.
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  Speaker 2: This identity politics actually turns out to be quite tense
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  Speaker 2: making stuff. I won't go through my theory as the
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: why it tends to lead to anger and division and
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  Speaker 2: even threats of violence, but let me just say this.
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  Speaker 2: We've seen labor and liberal politicians chase out of Muslim
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  Speaker 2: prayer centers and now I read that Coalition Front Benure
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  Speaker 2: into nampujiper Price is needing police protection from Aboriginal radical
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: protesters when she visits Bunbury in Western Australia tomorrow. What
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  Speaker 2: on earth is that about, Caroline?
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  Speaker 11: This is really unfortunate. Actually, our candidate for Forrest ben
• 38:56
  Speaker 11: Small received an email from a Indigenous academic and custodian
• 39:00
  Speaker 11: of that local area. Essentially, she asked about what sort
• 39:04
  Speaker 11: of consultation Senator Price had had with the local indigenous
• 39:10
  Speaker 11: community and essentially trying to veto her visit claiming that
• 39:15
  Speaker 11: Senator Price's opposition to the Voice, you know, undermined the
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  Speaker 11: idea or the narrative of Indigenous sovereignty, and that it
• 39:23
  Speaker 11: propelled racism, and that it denied individual and lived experience.
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  Speaker 11: And it upsets me for a couple of reasons, Andrew.
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  Speaker 11: And Firstly, when you take all the you know, the
• 39:36
  Speaker 11: layers out of it, I have this real difficulty that
• 39:40
  Speaker 11: one Australian feels entitled to restrict the movements or the
• 39:45
  Speaker 11: right of movement of another Australian simply by virtue of
• 39:49
  Speaker 11: their view on a political issue, which ultimately that's what
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  Speaker 11: the Voice was. And and I understand that this academic
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  Speaker 11: might have been upset with Senator Price's position. Twenty percent
• 40:00
  Speaker 11: of Western Australians agreed with her position. And I think
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  Speaker 11: if you spoke to most Western Australians, and I think
• 40:05
  Speaker 11: pretty much all Western Australians, you know, except for a fringe,
• 40:09
  Speaker 11: I think you'd be really hard pressed to find people
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  Speaker 11: who think it's acceptable to restrict the movement of Australians
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  Speaker 11: based on whatever their political views are. And the second
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  Speaker 11: thing that I have a real problem with Andrew is
• 40:21
  Speaker 11: the idea that one camps or one party's lived experience
• 40:27
  Speaker 11: is more important than another's lived experience. And Senator Price
• 40:30
  Speaker 11: has her own lived experience as an indigenous woman. In fact,
• 40:33
  Speaker 11: she wrote a whole book about it. And if people
• 40:36
  Speaker 11: were to read that book, they would understand that she
• 40:40
  Speaker 11: has formed her own opinions based upon her own lived experience.
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  Speaker 11: And I think, you know, just because you may not
• 40:47
  Speaker 11: agree with someone's views, you don't get to pick and
• 40:50
  Speaker 11: choose which lived experience you find more politically expedient and
• 40:54
  Speaker 11: therefore acceptable.
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  Speaker 2: But this is such. It's really all the bells for
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  Speaker 2: me will, the intolerance, the sense of zero sum game.
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  Speaker 2: This is my land. You can't come on it. This
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  Speaker 2: whole toxic identity politics leads to exactly this kind of stuff,
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  Speaker 2: doesn't it.
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  Speaker 13: It does, Andrew, As you've hit on, this is part
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  Speaker 13: of a broader trend. It's part of a broader global trend,
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  Speaker 13: and it's a trend against classical liberalism. It is a
• 41:24
  Speaker 13: trend against fighting with our words, fighting for pat with
• 41:29
  Speaker 13: the power of ideas, and instead, because the left now
• 41:32
  Speaker 13: has this view that words are violence, then that in
• 41:36
  Speaker 13: turn can normalize real violence. And as a result of
• 41:40
  Speaker 13: that you have this awful situation where our political discourse
• 41:44
  Speaker 13: is becoming unfortunately more dangerous for people. So it is
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  Speaker 13: very sad and I think the answer is more speech.
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  Speaker 13: The answer is more debate. The answer is more ideas
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  Speaker 13: in the public discourse to try and combat this very
• 41:55
  Speaker 13: nasty and problematic view that has em from the left.
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: And we go along to this extent too. That's to say,
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: not just more speech, but it means fewer laws against
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: free speech. The number of restrictions now are absurd, as
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: I found out negotiating what I could say on this
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: show tonight. Carolyn Drusso, Will Kingston, thank you so much
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: both for your time coming out. Prince Harry is in
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: court yet again and with yet more complaints that he's
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: a poor, picked on little individual. Say it again. Immigration
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: sure changes the country. In Britain, lawyers from a firm
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: run by men of Middle Eastern background are representing the
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: Hamas terrorist group and they are taking the British government
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: to court to make it drop a ban on Hamas,
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: which as you know, started the war with ISRAELBI it's
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: typical barbarities slaughtering in this case, twelve hundred is Erradis
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: and kidnapping hundred and fifty one people.
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  Speaker 10: We are instructed by Hamas.
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  Speaker 4: We are today at the Home Office and we're going
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: to hand in an application under Section four of the
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: Terrorism Act to have them removed from the list of
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: prescribed organizations.
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  Speaker 2: The discussion even boasting about it joinally from London as
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: Patrick Christie's star presenter of gb News. I mean, Patrick,
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: I understand that any British lawyers would try a stunt
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: like this for a group like that and actually make
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: a little video promoting themselves doing it. What's going on here?
• 43:34
  Speaker 14: Well, I don't know how these people sleep at night
• 43:36
  Speaker 14: when they win various cases. If they manage to get
• 43:39
  Speaker 14: Hamas taken off the banned terror list, what do they do?
• 43:42
  Speaker 14: Do they take Hamas out for a slapper meal to celebrate?
• 43:45
  Speaker 10: Do they look?
• 43:46
  Speaker 14: We have British lawyers who are happy to represent a
• 43:49
  Speaker 14: Jahadi terrorist organization. This would also mean crucially that anyone
• 43:53
  Speaker 14: who supports them is no longer supporting a terrorist group
• 43:57
  Speaker 14: if their claim is successful. They are a bas law firm.
• 44:00
  Speaker 14: And I wondered how did Hamas know to contact them?
• 44:04
  Speaker 14: Is there a story there in itself? And I did
• 44:06
  Speaker 14: a little bit of digging. They've previously represented a list
• 44:09
  Speaker 14: of people who've traveled to fight for groups like al Qaeda,
• 44:13
  Speaker 14: ISIS and the Taliban, and they have had some success.
• 44:16
  Speaker 14: They have helped people that are security services have categorically
• 44:20
  Speaker 14: clustered as terrorists to return to Britain. They've also represented
• 44:24
  Speaker 14: an Albanian pedophile and helped him stay in Britain and
• 44:27
  Speaker 14: a Pakistani child rapist. Again, I'll just say it, I
• 44:31
  Speaker 14: don't really know how these people sleep at night. Is
• 44:34
  Speaker 14: their contempt for the British state and the British public
• 44:38
  Speaker 14: and the fact that we might dare to have a
• 44:39
  Speaker 14: border so great that they are willing to try to
• 44:43
  Speaker 14: have all of these people and all of these organizations,
• 44:46
  Speaker 14: certainly in the case of Hamas, at least.
• 44:49
  Speaker 10: Allowed to operate in Britain. I find it remarkable.
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: Remarkable is putting it mildly. Prince Henry is in court
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: again in Britain today. He flew over to join the
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: complaint again about the government not giving him free security.
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: What does this beef exactly? All right?
• 45:11
  Speaker 14: So he says that his life is at stake, in
• 45:14
  Speaker 14: the life of his family. He wants to be able
• 45:15
  Speaker 14: to essentially hire out our police force in order to
• 45:18
  Speaker 14: be able to bring his family back home, they, he says,
• 45:21
  Speaker 14: are not safe in Britain.
• 45:23
  Speaker 10: Slightly undermined Andrew.
• 45:24
  Speaker 14: By the fact that he managed to secretly fly back
• 45:26
  Speaker 14: to Britain, stay overnight, privately and completely safely in a
• 45:29
  Speaker 14: tend court, and live his life without any issues whatsoever.
• 45:32
  Speaker 10: Some people would also argue that.
• 45:34
  Speaker 14: His security risk is entirely of his own, making a
• 45:37
  Speaker 14: slacking off Britain b writing in his book about how
• 45:40
  Speaker 14: many Jahandies that he's killed, which prompted al Qaida to
• 45:43
  Speaker 14: put a fatoire on him. So you know, sometimes mistakes
• 45:46
  Speaker 14: have consequences, don't they. In fact, the only slight issue
• 45:49
  Speaker 14: that Harry's had in court was when a super fan
• 45:51
  Speaker 14: started shouting about how much she loved him and then he.
• 45:55
  Speaker 10: Had to lead.
• 45:56
  Speaker 14: The problem for the court now is that this labor
• 45:59
  Speaker 14: government decided to give an armed police escort to Taylor
• 46:03
  Speaker 14: Swift when she was doing a concert here. So it
• 46:06
  Speaker 14: does maybe make it look as though, well, if you're
• 46:08
  Speaker 14: going to do it for Taylor Swift, should you not
• 46:10
  Speaker 14: really do it for the son.
• 46:10
  Speaker 10: Of the king.
• 46:11
  Speaker 14: On that note, he has been criticized for overshadowing the
• 46:14
  Speaker 14: King and Queen in Rome on their state visit and
• 46:18
  Speaker 14: their twentieth wedding anniversary.
• 46:20
  Speaker 10: But I would say the public sympathies are not massively
• 46:22
  Speaker 10: with Harry on this one.
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: I am stunned that Taylor Swift can't afford to put
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: her hand in her own pocket to pay for her
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: own security when she is so so rich. Yorkshire Police,
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: I mean talking about police, this stuns me. I mean
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: the racism now is so fashionable. Racism has become fashionable.
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: Yorkshire Police have actually banned white people from applying to
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: become police until they've had gone through all the black
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: and Asian candidates their applications. How come this kind of
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: racism is legal in Britain.
• 46:58
  Speaker 14: This is straightforward old school racism and it's against white people.
• 47:02
  Speaker 14: I mean West Yorkshire Police, one of the largest police forces,
• 47:05
  Speaker 14: as you said, banned white people quotes for the sake
• 47:07
  Speaker 14: of diversity. They are rumored to We've spent about one
• 47:11
  Speaker 14: pounds on diversity, equality and inclusion training and staff, et cetera.
• 47:16
  Speaker 14: And there is a massive Muslim population in West Yorkshire
• 47:19
  Speaker 14: and they say they are underrepresented by the police force. Well,
• 47:22
  Speaker 14: there might be a story in itself there because there
• 47:24
  Speaker 14: are big issues with integration in West Yorkshire and some
• 47:27
  Speaker 14: people online are rather playfully wondering whether some members of
• 47:30
  Speaker 14: that local population are more keen on Charia law than
• 47:34
  Speaker 14: British law and order, and maybe that is part of
• 47:36
  Speaker 14: the problem, but they call it positive action. There's a
• 47:39
  Speaker 14: thing positive about banning people from applying for a job.
• 47:43
  Speaker 10: Based on their race.
• 47:44
  Speaker 14: And there are massive issues with crime, with sexual offenses,
• 47:47
  Speaker 14: with shoplifting. With all of this, you would have thought
• 47:50
  Speaker 14: that at this particular moment in British history you just
• 47:53
  Speaker 14: take the best people for.
• 47:54
  Speaker 10: The job, regardless of what they look like. This is
• 47:57
  Speaker 10: in my view of out and out racism.
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: Or are they suggesting that, I, say, a Pakistani ethnic
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: Pakistani policeman would apply the law in a different way.
• 48:10
  Speaker 10: Wow, well this is it.
• 48:11
  Speaker 14: Maybe they've got some more cultural sensitivities. It is another
• 48:14
  Speaker 14: area where it has been gripped by the grooming gang
• 48:16
  Speaker 14: issue as well. You know, would they be more inclined
• 48:18
  Speaker 14: to go into that community and talk to them, I
• 48:20
  Speaker 14: don't know, But the fact is that now you could
• 48:23
  Speaker 14: end up with someone who is bravely, bravely willing for
• 48:26
  Speaker 14: not a lot of money by the way, to go
• 48:28
  Speaker 14: and put their life on the line, to go and
• 48:30
  Speaker 14: do it, a life of public service, do some file jobs,
• 48:33
  Speaker 14: and they're going to be discarded purely because.
• 48:36
  Speaker 10: They look like you and me.
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: Honestly, Petra Christie's thank you so much for your time.
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: That's it from me. Coming up now is Sherry Markson,
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: good Night.