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S2E12 | Beyond Southeast Asia · Tales from Incredible Tales

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  Speaker 1: She basically goes, that poor woman in white in the
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  Speaker 1: tree is stuck on that. Can somebody please go up
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  Speaker 1: there and help her? And she's like asking all the
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  Speaker 1: staff and every one of the staff. I was like, no, no,
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  Speaker 1: she's fine. No, it's ok. And nobody wanted to tell her.
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  Speaker 2: My name is Art.
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  Speaker 1: My name is Ryan. My name is Wayne. My name
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  Speaker 1: is Kyle and this is Tales From Incredible Tales, a
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  Speaker 1: show where we look back at the popular media horror
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  Speaker 1: series joining us today once again is at host of
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  Speaker 1: a Global Tails across its 13 years.
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  Speaker 1: Hi,
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  Speaker 2: good
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  Speaker 1: to see
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  Speaker 2: you. Good to see all of you too. You look
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  Speaker 2: and you
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  Speaker 1: all right. You need to stop here
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  Speaker 1: for some reason. I thought he was looking at me.
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  Speaker 1: Are you
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  Speaker 2: with us? Each and every episode
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  Speaker 1: that
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  Speaker 1: makes me feel good. Plus you dressed up with the
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  Speaker 1: blazer again today. So you know,
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  Speaker 2: I have the blazer but we both have the same
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  Speaker 2: look today.
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  Speaker 1: I know. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I mean training, I mean, I haven't gotten the approval
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  Speaker 1: to wear the and yeah, I really miss my mel
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  Speaker 1: Gil blazer. Right. Now.
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  Speaker 1: So anyway, in every episode of Tales From Incredible Tales,
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  Speaker 1: we explore a different theme and how it ties back
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  Speaker 1: to the classic incredible Tas episodes. For this episode. We're
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  Speaker 1: looking at how Southeast Asian supernatural travels beyond our region.
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  Speaker 1: This episode's theme was inspired by the souvenir from season four.
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  Speaker 1: When Robert, a guy down on his luck gets a
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  Speaker 1: finger bone from his friend as a souvenir from his travels,
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  Speaker 1: he thinks nothing of it soon. His luck turns for
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  Speaker 1: the better. But then Robert discovers that accompanying the good
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  Speaker 1: luck are nightmares that come true
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  Speaker 1: is the finger bone. The cause of all the bad
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  Speaker 1: events happening. Well, it's a loss. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: You know what, I was
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  Speaker 1: expecting him taking the bone throwing it far away instead
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  Speaker 1: of keeping it in his like, OK, I've seen the
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  Speaker 1: episode already. I wrote the description down even as I'm writing,
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  Speaker 1: even as I'm reading the description, I'm like, why would
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  Speaker 1: you accept the finger bone as a gift? It's like
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  Speaker 1: in this part, he haven't decided to throw it away.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think he just kept it, but he was
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  Speaker 1: freaked out because the bone was placed right next to
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  Speaker 1: him and he was like, I did not put this year,
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  Speaker 1: but then this was not enough for him to throw
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  Speaker 1: it out.
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  Speaker 1: I don't, I don't, I think is the whole idea
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  Speaker 1: of cultural biases, right? Because it's not your culture. Therefore,
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  Speaker 1: you don't believe in their beliefs, therefore you're kind of
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  Speaker 1: immune to it. But that's true. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: II, I agree with Kyle. I think
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  Speaker 2: sometimes, like, you just don't know any better. So you
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  Speaker 2: just don't think it's going to affect you. Yeah, that's right. So, um,
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  Speaker 2: it's interesting seeing reenactment with, like, with entire be far, like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I'm almost like Westerners because all the stories
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  Speaker 2: we tell it's like, you know, it's like Asian based or,
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  Speaker 2: like amongst our like
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  Speaker 2: the countries in Southeast Asia. So it's, it's interesting to
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  Speaker 2: see how like, you know, the energies and the situations
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  Speaker 2: are they go across lines, all colors and barriers,
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  Speaker 1: which speaking of which because you travel
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  Speaker 1: lot from between America and Thailand. So with what we
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  Speaker 1: have seen how much of our Southeast Asian Ghost stories
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  Speaker 1: make it to somewhere as far off as the
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  Speaker 1: States
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  Speaker 2: they do, but they become remakes.
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  Speaker 1: Which one we,
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  Speaker 2: I find it really entertaining when they become remakes because
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  Speaker 2: the authenticity and the trueness of like the stories it
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  Speaker 2: gets tweaked into, it becomes very westernized. Like let's keep
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  Speaker 2: it to like the Asian version like the Ring, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the Ring or a lot of the shutter is remade
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  Speaker 2: and it just doesn't, it doesn't translate the
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  Speaker 2: same,
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  Speaker 1: I guess because did they bring down the scary scale,
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  Speaker 1: the horror
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  Speaker 1: scale down
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  Speaker 2: at the end of the day? It comes down to
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  Speaker 2: the fact that it's just elements and specific things that
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  Speaker 2: do not pertain to the western culture. Right? So then
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  Speaker 2: when it gets tweaked, then it's like it kind of
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  Speaker 2: just everything changes.
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  Speaker 2: So, going back to the question is, um, do I
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  Speaker 2: feel the stories make it there? Um Yes, I definitely
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  Speaker 2: do if there
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  Speaker 2: brought in their authentic form of my friends who love
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  Speaker 2: the original shutter, who love the original stories because it's
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  Speaker 2: something far off from what they know. But when it
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  Speaker 2: gets translated, I guess, like, it's ok but it's like
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  Speaker 2: it loses some of its authenticity.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I always believe that vampires are the westernized version
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  Speaker 1: of pot. Don't you think? So? I
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  Speaker 1: love that. You sit around because I, all the time
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  Speaker 1: I hear like the Southeast Asian version of vampires. So
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  Speaker 1: for you to say like, oh yeah, vampires, their version
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  Speaker 1: of our, I think so, like male to female and
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  Speaker 1: then the, I mean, it's black white and then now
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  Speaker 1: it's black white. I'll take your word from just not
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  Speaker 1: looking and it still has like, really spoiled the vampire
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  Speaker 1: for us.
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  Speaker 1: Sexy. They're like, oh, then become teenage romance, that kind
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  Speaker 1: of thing. It's cool to be a vampire. Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Is it to be the agree? Yeah. But whereas like,
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  Speaker 1: I think we are a bit more still real to
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  Speaker 1: the source material in the sense whereby is still a
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  Speaker 1: tragic tale of a woman losing her life while giving birth.
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  Speaker 1: And then, you know, that's a, yeah, like the man Yeah, exactly. Like,
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  Speaker 1: even though it's modernized but it doesn't really change the call. But, whereas, like,
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  Speaker 1: vampires in Hollywood, it has changed a lot because it
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  Speaker 1: came from, like, let the, in the story came from
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  Speaker 1: the then Dracula, you know, like all this, like, castle
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  Speaker 1: thing then now is, like, modernized for Hollywood.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's, it's much more layer, there's more intricacies
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  Speaker 2: with how we see spirits and energies because
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  Speaker 2: we do things to appease them. We do merits, we
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  Speaker 2: have a deeper understanding of the stories behind it. I
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  Speaker 2: think with like uh in, with Western understanding, it's more
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  Speaker 2: on the surface. So then that gets changed in terms
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  Speaker 2: of like, you know, how people perceive the energies and
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  Speaker 2: everything here. Um I do find that because they don't
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  Speaker 2: because they don't understand like Westerners might,
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  Speaker 2: I understand the intricacies for a lot of them. It
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  Speaker 2: is fascinating but it's how to connect it to them slowly.
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  Speaker 2: It's like kind of like food, you know, like what,
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  Speaker 2: what I've realized is when I was growing up in
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  Speaker 2: the US, that people's palette was quite bland
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  Speaker 2: and then now it's like not bland. So, you know,
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  Speaker 2: you got like uh cr I and like hamburgers and
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  Speaker 2: uh which wouldn't have been the case, like maybe 1020
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  Speaker 2: 20 years back. So it's, it's similar to what we're
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  Speaker 2: talking about. I think
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  Speaker 2: it just takes time for them to catch on to
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  Speaker 2: the intricacies. And I think it slowly is like, for example,
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  Speaker 2: the reenactment that we saw, I mean, that's an example of,
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  Speaker 2: I think experiencing something out of the norm of what
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  Speaker 2: a person a Westerner would experience and then coming to
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  Speaker 2: terms with it, then
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  Speaker 1: you will bring it back to his reverence and he'll
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  Speaker 1: be like, don't do that
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  Speaker 1: when you go to a foreign country, don't bring back bones.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, to us is like common sense, right? We
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  Speaker 1: grew with that. Our parents would never ever do that.
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  Speaker 1: But I guess they will be more different in the
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  Speaker 1: sense they didn't have that culture understanding. Like I'm pretty
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  Speaker 1: sure like an Asian person who never go to Africa
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  Speaker 1: is like, oh that's,
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  Speaker 1: that's like a bone thing. I'm gonna bring it back.
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  Speaker 1: We will be like, no, we get it, we get it.
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  Speaker 1: But where I think the Westerners, they will be more
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  Speaker 1: like like what you say surface level, then they're like,
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  Speaker 1: maybe I'll bring it back as a gift
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  Speaker 2: more in understanding things on the surface.
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  Speaker 1: There was this very controversial thing that, you know, a
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  Speaker 1: lot of the influencers, they
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  Speaker 1: especially the Western influences, they travel all the way to
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  Speaker 1: Bali and then they do like a whole bunch of
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  Speaker 1: photo shoots like like near like a tree that is
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  Speaker 1: an ancient tree that's supposedly like spiritual and they took
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  Speaker 1: nude photos there. Then people are unhappy because you are
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  Speaker 1: basically disturbing the spirits that are there and like the culture.
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  Speaker 1: So they were made to apologize and I think do
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  Speaker 1: some prayers over there. Yeah. So
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  Speaker 2: it's become quite common because of the influencer culture and
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  Speaker 2: the social media culture. So all these key traditional places,
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  Speaker 2: especially in Asia, you have a lot of influencers just
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  Speaker 2: like taking it one step further, you know, just to
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  Speaker 2: get garner attention. So like that incident and there's a
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  Speaker 2: lot of incidents like from Japan to Thailand to
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  Speaker 2: you know, everywhere. So, but what's really good is on
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  Speaker 2: the other side of social media, it's there's also a backlash,
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  Speaker 1: there's an accountability from it who understand better, right? Then
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  Speaker 1: that's why the other accountability where the spiritual accountability that
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  Speaker 1: goes come and on you as I don't do that.
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  Speaker 1: That's right. It doesn't matter how many hate comments you
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  Speaker 1: get on social media, nothing's gonna beat the ghost coming
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  Speaker 1: to you. Good luck, man. Yeah, good luck. You can't
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  Speaker 1: block that.
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  Speaker 1: I need to add on to that because like what
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  Speaker 1: you say car where you know the Western culture, they,
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  Speaker 1: they fantasize or they create a new character out of vampires.
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  Speaker 1: So hence the cultural aspect of respecting vampires
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  Speaker 1: is different than how we know about, let's say CP
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  Speaker 1: because in movies, they always say cut people will always
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  Speaker 1: appear if you don't do this. Is this the cultural
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  Speaker 1: norms being instilled into movies? But in western western as
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  Speaker 1: western movies, however, we don't hear much of that norm
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  Speaker 1: or cultural, do this and do that. Yeah, I noticed
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  Speaker 1: that as well. And like the movies that we have
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  Speaker 1: down here, even the horror comedies,
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  Speaker 1: like everything else would be a joke, but he will
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  Speaker 1: always be played straight. So there's no, there's no making
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  Speaker 1: fun of her. There's no, it's making fun of everybody
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  Speaker 1: else around her, but there's no disrespect. You can try.
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  Speaker 1: I am always respect. No. But like I'm curious, like,
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  Speaker 1: as a filmmaker, I respectfully, I think it will be
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  Speaker 1: quite interesting to see a Hollywood version of copy, like
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  Speaker 1: a portrayal of copy. I'm curious of how would they
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  Speaker 1: do it because we've always done it this way right?
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  Speaker 1: Then how would they do it? But then I'm not
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  Speaker 1: gonna try.
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  Speaker 1: I think curious is the right word. I wouldn't look
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  Speaker 1: forward to it. But I'll be very curious. Actually, I
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  Speaker 1: was wondering as well because you mentioned in last season
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  Speaker 1: as well that there is a community of fellow Buddhist
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  Speaker 1: people in California. And you've been to some temples on
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  Speaker 1: there when they talk about like mythology and folklore and
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  Speaker 1: stuff like that? Is it, does it still feel like
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  Speaker 1: Thailand or does it feel like there's a western lens
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  Speaker 1: on
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  Speaker 1: it?
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  Speaker 2: It depends on what community if it's like,
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  Speaker 2: I think this is across the line. Um For example,
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  Speaker 2: if you have the Thai community here who immigrated there,
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  Speaker 2: they're still going to think in a very Thai way.
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  Speaker 2: But if you have like the Children who are Thai American,
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  Speaker 2: they're going to be influenced by Western culture. So they're
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  Speaker 2: going to not be as connected unless their parents, like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, pass that down to them. And I think
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  Speaker 2: that's across the line with whether you're Singaporean, Malaysian, Indonesian Filipino. So,
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  Speaker 2: um and then you have the other side of it
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  Speaker 2: where it's like you're fully Western. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So um particular group of people that I see in
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  Speaker 2: the Buddhist community, they're like, they're very Thai, you know,
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  Speaker 2: they're still like the first generation and then passing it
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  Speaker 2: down to the Children. It's more of like the people
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  Speaker 2: who come in, who are foreign, who are learning, you know,
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  Speaker 2: they're getting bits and pieces of things,
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  Speaker 1: which brings me to the next question because um do
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  Speaker 1: you think ghost, our ghost, our Southeast Asian ghosts and
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  Speaker 1: creatures can actually travel to other countries? Like for example,
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  Speaker 1: in the States, do the people there currently believes that,
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  Speaker 1: you know, my neck is still existing there in California?
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  Speaker 1: So
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  Speaker 2: I feel once you're like in a different space and environment,
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  Speaker 2: it might not necessarily be the same entity that we
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  Speaker 2: term it here.
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  Speaker 2: Um There might be termed differently because when you're in
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  Speaker 2: different spaces, places, like, let's say, if you're in Australia,
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  Speaker 2: you have the Aboriginals, they have their particular terms to
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  Speaker 2: entities and spirits. If you're in the United States, the
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  Speaker 2: lands before what it is today was deeply rooted with
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  Speaker 2: American Indians.
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  Speaker 2: So they have terms for their spirits and their entities
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  Speaker 2: and if we were to like just place it on
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  Speaker 2: this table and this have all every indigenous tribes and
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  Speaker 2: people sit down and talk. It might be the same entity,
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  Speaker 2: but it might be the same entities and energies and
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  Speaker 2: spirits and ka, but they just have different names.
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  Speaker 1: That's
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  Speaker 2: true.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Is that how like the banana spirit, the CB
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  Speaker 1: and then they are like quite similar in that sense,
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  Speaker 1: different origin stories, but quite similar in terms of how
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  Speaker 1: they look, how they kill that kind of thing. Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Actually that's a very good point. Yeah, it's a good
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  Speaker 1: point because for me when I travel. So this is
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  Speaker 1: funny because when I'm in Southeast Asia
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  Speaker 1: at night, I always think of the Southeast Asian hunters
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  Speaker 1: coming up, you know, at night. But when I was
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  Speaker 1: in UK for a holiday, I wasn't thinking about all
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  Speaker 1: those Southeast Asian, I was thinking about pages. I was
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  Speaker 1: thinking about, you know, spirits that I cannot see. I've
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  Speaker 1: never heard of. So I've had hauntings when I was
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  Speaker 1: in UK, you mentioned the last year. So it's like,
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  Speaker 1: is it the same entity or is this totally different entity?
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  Speaker 1: Because I was, I mean, the differently. So that's a
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  Speaker 1: good point that you brought up.
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  Speaker 2: I
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  Speaker 2: think the methods of handling the entities are different and
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  Speaker 2: then when it's handled differently, then what becomes of the
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  Speaker 2: energy becomes different, I think with the poltergeist and the
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  Speaker 2: exorcism it exists here in Asia. But I think it's
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  Speaker 2: more tamed because of the different religions we have across
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  Speaker 2: the line.
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  Speaker 2: So our, our different religions have certain methods to tame
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  Speaker 2: the spirits there. It's like, it's, it's more like this,
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  Speaker 2: you have the, the priests and then, you know, the
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  Speaker 2: holy water and then, you know, it's like you,
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  Speaker 2: you have the caricature of what poltergeist or exorcism looks like.
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  Speaker 2: And that's what we see in movies and everything and,
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  Speaker 2: but we handle it very much differently here. Like we
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  Speaker 2: have bos we have doctor like spiritual doctors and everything
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  Speaker 2: that have these techniques and methods
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  Speaker 1: to, to actually add on to your point, right? Like
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  Speaker 1: basically your brain code switches for the spiritual world.
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  Speaker 1: Say that again, code switch for spiritual. So it's like,
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  Speaker 1: oh I'm in the UK switch no more, no more
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  Speaker 1: days than that is. All the guys go like demons.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But for me, it's
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  Speaker 1: a little bit different. So when I went to the
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  Speaker 1: went to Europe, I was like, no, no, your hunt
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  Speaker 1: to cannot be my
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  Speaker 1: can like claw out your genitals. What can you do?
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  Speaker 1: You move a chair,
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  Speaker 1: right? You move a check. That's it. That's for me.
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  Speaker 1: And then I also felt that they, they're very good
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  Speaker 1: at capitalizing horror. So I've seen like walks for like
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  Speaker 1: Hitler's horseman, that kind of thing. It's quite common. And
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  Speaker 1: then people are like, oh, yeah, this is part, there
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  Speaker 1: used to be a Hitler's ghost and I think they
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  Speaker 1: still roam around it but here's like €20. Then you
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  Speaker 1: go for the walk when people travel there and they
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  Speaker 1: bring the myths, the myths that they, that they bring,
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  Speaker 1: they get code switched in that sense to fit the environment.
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  Speaker 1: But I always wonder would the, the way to the priest,
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  Speaker 1: the pastor, the bo does it work interchangeably?
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  Speaker 1: So
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  Speaker 2: I think if it's like between western and eastern, it's
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  Speaker 2: like probably bigger hurdle. But I think if it's amongst
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  Speaker 2: our nearby countries, it's not as much like the story
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  Speaker 2: that I shared with you guys, how one of my
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  Speaker 2: producers brought entity back to Singapore from Thailand and then,
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  Speaker 2: and Amo told him to bring the spirit back to Phuket.
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  Speaker 2: So I mean, like if it's a cross because we
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  Speaker 2: have similar beliefs and similar methods and techniques. But I
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  Speaker 2: think it's, I think for western eastern, it's like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: um
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  Speaker 2: it's like a much bigger hurdle, I guess,
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  Speaker 1: I think to add on to that. I, I did
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  Speaker 1: ask like spiritual masters about that recently and then they
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  Speaker 1: say that it depends, but for certain religions, right? It
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  Speaker 1: doesn't matter what's your religion, you come to them for help,
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  Speaker 1: for exorcism, they will help and they say that the
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  Speaker 1: power is still the same because essentially you're being in,
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  Speaker 1: you believing in light. So light will always fight darkness.
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  Speaker 1: So it doesn't matter what
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  Speaker 1: your religion is, they are able to solve the issue.
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  Speaker 1: It just depends on how evil the entity is. So
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  Speaker 1: they say like you could be raised a certain religion
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  Speaker 1: and not the same religion as the spiritual master, but
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  Speaker 1: you can still go to him for help and he
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: will still help and the deity that or the God
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: that they believe in will help you. Yeah, because still
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: fighting evil.
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: That's a good point. It's like it's the source is
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: the same. So I'm gonna throw this little story and
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: flight that crashed.
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: I forgot where like Kathmandu or like I have to
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: look it up. But um
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: uh basically the next flight leaving it's the same airlines,
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: there were stewardess who were on that airline asking to
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: go back home. Yeah, the spirits of the um the crew,
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: the crew that had passed away. So some of them
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: had asked to catch
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: that flight,
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: another flight back home.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: That's really sad.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. But it's quite a common knowledge that sometimes
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: the commercial flights that we take, right? They do carry
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: this is like bodies, the repatriation flights. So it's underneath
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: the cargo space because they do carry cargo. So sometimes
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: this is, do we think that people are more understanding
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: of other cultures, supernatural beliefs now?
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: Oh, definitely. Yeah, because I think on the flip side
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: of the
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: social media is that everything's well connected now and then
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: um like what we mentioned about disrespecting um key places
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: and the backlash is very fast. So um that's like,
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: that's key to not having that repeat itself. I think
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: it's the same when it comes to disrespecting, like, you know,
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: the spiritual world as well and people are more worldly,
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: they travel a lot more now. So I think there's
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: uh there's more of an understanding.
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: I recently saw this video. All my friends sent me.
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: It is quite funny. It's a Tik Tok or basically
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: more in Singapore and he's just walking around at night
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: and he's like,
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: why my apartment outside? I got the French Penny smell. Wow.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: I love that smell. Wow. And then in the comments
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: you can see, right? People like Singaporeans are basically, do
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: we tell him
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: do that?
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: Good luck man.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: That actually reminds me of a story that a friend
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: told me and I won't mention the name of the place,
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: but it's outdoors and you can visit at night. Um
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: So it's an attraction in Singapore. I'm quite sure you
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: can guess which one it is. But and there was
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: this lady from, I think America who he was and
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: he was working at this place and he heard this
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: lady from America just going on like you've got to
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: help her, that poor woman stuck in a tree. You've
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: got to help her, get somebody, help her and she's
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: pointing to a tree and she's like,
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: she basically goes, that poor woman in white in the
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: tree is stuck on that. Can somebody please go up
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: there and help her? And she's like asking all the
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: staff and every one of the staff. I was like, no, no,
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: she's fine. No, it's ok. And nobody wanted to tell
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: her,
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: I was asked the lady to, for her to go
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: help instead.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: That's true. I'll get you a letter,
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: There's a letter for
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: you. I do imagine that would have been a little
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: bit more forgiving to, to that lady who's trying to
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: help her. Honestly, I don't think it's disrespectful. I think
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: she genuinely wants to. I think if she knew what
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: it was, she probably would keep quiet as well. But yeah,
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: I think, I think
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: it was our disrespect. I think she just was like,
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: oh no, there's a poor woman stuck in a tree. Yeah.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: It's like you just don't know. Right. It could be,
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: it could be us on the flip side that we
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: could be going to some western country and then we would,
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: I have, I don't know, like here some sound that,
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: what's that? But for the locals they are like, I
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: know you hear how you run this.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: True. I'm wondering like on the flip side of it, how,
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: how it is for the spirit world
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: I'm thinking,
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: why is that woman pointing to? Exactly. I live here. Stop,
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: stop telling her, get out.
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: It's like they are
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: like, really,
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: I wonder if they have, like, their own Google translate
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: translator, ghostly translator.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: You get a translator to translate it. Right. Yeah, that
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: would be fantastic. It's like, so I need to get
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: my friend Dracula. It's on the other side of the world.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: But I think eventually what's important is for us because
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: we love to travel, we travel all the time is to,
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: before we hit
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: over to that particular country is to understand their culture,
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: especially if it's supernatural culture. Because I mean, we want
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: to respect their culture as well. And likewise, for anyone
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: who's coming to our countries to respect our supernatural beliefs
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: as well. So that, you know, eventually both side wins. Yeah. Yeah.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm going to Japan soon so
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: give him a look. Yeah, I like, I mean, I,
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: I will be fine. I'm honestly, I don't want anything
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: to happen to me, but at the same time, I
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: kind of want something to happen so that I got
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: stories to tell. But I mean, Japan has been very
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: kind to me thus far. I have not gotten anything
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: like happened to me in Japan. So chill, the spirits
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: are pretty chill
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: can be fine. You will be OK. All right. So
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: this question is for everyone which Southeast Asian supernatural entity
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: do you think would be the most popular outside the region?
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: I will go first. OK. OK. I will say because
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: of all the filthy pirates. That's out there on the internet.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: I think people will love to.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: Wow. Right. Is the ghost with the big breasts? They will,
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: they will suffocate you to death. Right. That's how they
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: kill you. Right. They suffocate you to death.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: Like a Japanese.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: But Japan is very,
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: actually. Yes, it is. Southeast Asian. For sure. I didn't
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: expect that answer. I didn't expect the answer. Would you
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: remind me? She's such a, she's such an underrepresented entity
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: I like,
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: but like, you hardly hear people talk about it. That's a,
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: that's a very good one because my initial thought would
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: have been.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: But I realize that that's a local bias. That's a
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: regional bias because we all love her. But that doesn't
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: mean that she's going to translate well, in, say the
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: States or Australia or somewhere like that. But is my
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: answer because just visually, she's terrifying. Yeah, you've got the wings,
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: you've got the guts, you've got the head. Yeah.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: One or the Filipino version of man. Wow. Yeah. My
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: answer would be Toyo because Toyo is almost as similar
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: as a Harry Potter character that we all know. So,
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: I mean, even, I mean, it's a friendly character in
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: Harry Potter, but if only that character becomes evil and
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: it starts to steal from people's houses, I think it
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: would be quite an interesting movie
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: watch. Just imagine, like, you know, conjuring number, I don't know.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: And then there's that character appearing out of nowhere, hiding
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: in rooms and then, you know, going houses to houses
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: that would be interesting to catch. I would love to
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: see the cinematic at Warren try to stop a toy
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: running after during five to your mayhem in New York.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: Oh, yes. There was, there was a novel in Malaysia
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: called Toys R US Corporation started if I remember they
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: started Franchising toys within Malaysia. So you're not, you're probably
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: not wrong. It's probably got like the best chance of
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: having international appeal, profitable business.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: Um I would do a double collaboration, but one with
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: Kyle and one with you. So the one with Kyle is,
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: is interesting because it's just recently probably this past two weeks,
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: like my auntie was telling me more about uh
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: it has to do with the PP is this pa that,
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: that people pray to? And then like she was telling
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: me that it originates from a God and like two gods.
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: And um I don't remember the um the details of it,
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: but like that particular God collaborating with your
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: would be quite interesting. Um Are you looking it up
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: right now?
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: How do you spell it pal? Yeah.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: Well, he finds that I'll talk about our collab, collab
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: will be Toyos and Guman Tong. I think it would
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: be really cool. It would be really cool to have like,
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: you know, you have like the playful and then you
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: have the evil, you kind of like the more dark
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: you have the dark
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: version of the girl spirits and then the children's spirits
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: and then you have the light side of it.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: Oh my God.
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: It's like home alone.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: Oh
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: my God. It is home alone. But you done it.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: You do it in a body cop style. Yeah. Yeah.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: Just imagine. I mean, a girl walk in the Toyo
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: holding hands and after that thing is like
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: at the door not letting you in. So you like vision?
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: No, I visioned it as like more like you have
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: maybe one house, having Theman Tong and another house not
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: knowing that they have the toils. So it's kind of like,
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: you know,
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: wow.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: Rival houses from across the street. Ok.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: Let's write this
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: director
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: right
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: now. Right now there's a producer out there somewhere who's
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: watching this episode. Come on, let's go, come on, let's go.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: We have the, we have the, if we were doing
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: in the Hollywood version version can have like Kevin Hart
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: as
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: very hard voicing the toy. I think that will be
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: quite hilarious. I could imagine. Actually, I would say goodbye
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: to watch that. I feel.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: Did you find it,
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: Kyle? Yeah, I found it is a flic shape.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: The pet is basically a flic shaped amulet is for charisma.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: I have friends who have it also. It really is
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: a ph shape. I believe you. I just love that.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: I could see you going through all the different words
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: you could use it.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: Wait. So this collaboration would be if you are haunted by,
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: what's the, how to take? So if how to take
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: that comes to you, then you have to go to
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: the
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: for
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: help,
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: help. Oh no, the
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: kid will reverse the charm here.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: Wow,
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: that's a, that's a horror, romantic comedy. I heard one.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: All right. So we're almost done and you know what
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: that means, Carl, please share with us our morbid fact
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: of the day. So on the other side that we
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: are talking about, right,
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: there's a shrine on Pulau itself that is dedicated to
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: a German girl who died during world war two. And
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: there is a rumor that her goal supposedly still haunts
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: the island. A lot of documented cases of paranormal investigators
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: going even as, as recent as 2024.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: So I've been there myself. Actually, that place is sitting
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: on the like this kind of cliffside area of being
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: where you can overlook the sea. It's pretty creepy. So
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: I say that the urban legend is that she died
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: of very tragic causes and it was like they were
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: German family staying in in the 19 hundreds. I don't
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: know why they just stay there
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: and then she died and her rest spirit haunted the villages.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: And then the villages basically erected a shrine for her
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: to calm her spirit. Apparently she's like super, she's super active.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: She will give out like, you know, numbers to punters
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: are people who buy for these. So a lot of
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: people will be there and pray for good luck.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: But there's also a lot of cases of hauntings are
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: not necessarily by her, but perhaps like by other spirits
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: that's around the temple. Because when I went to the temple,
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: the temple is a relatively small one, but it has
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: a lot of other deities. But hers is the main thing.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't say she's a deity. She's more like
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: guardian spirit of the area. Then I think it used
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: to be a Barbie doll. And then I think they
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: made an actual duty, like carving for her. I would one,
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: the reason why I feel that it's very creepy is
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: because many years ago when I was still dating my wife,
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: then we went there for a picnic and then we
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: just walked around the area and then we chanced upon
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: that shrine and went in just to know for prayers.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: I just pray on it.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: And then for some reason. Right. She felt really sick, like,
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: for like, two weeks. Yeah. And like, we just couldn't
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: solve it. And then we found out there was shingles. Yeah.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: But the thing is that Western medicine couldn't solve it, really,
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: couldn't solve it. It's like they keep giving her like
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: medicine and then she couldn't get, well, it's like, I mean,
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: it wasn't like she wasn't like dying when she was just, like, sick. LA.
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: So it's just in pain. Now, then after that we
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: went to a shingle specialist, like a little bit like
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: Chinese medicine kind, but also with a little spiritual thing.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: So apparently like in Mandarin we call
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: so it's like catching the snake inside. So the shingle,
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: it looks like a she was snake, right? So then
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: the person was like,
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: you all cannot see. People who have come here cannot
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: see because you know, you might spread to you. And
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: she then specifically, I think the master was saying this
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: is a water snake.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: So have you been to somewhere near water before? Recently?
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, so yeah, you came from there.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: They were like,
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: so I'm very curious about the aspect like experts in
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: the comment section. Please let me know like if this
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: is spiritual or not because I'm not sure to this day,
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: I'm still, we are still puzzled. Like then after that,
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: she went for that thing, right? And then she recovered
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: within 23 days. I know there is a lot of
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: debate between in the medical community that this draw a thing, right?
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: It doesn't work. It's like kind of like, you know,
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: a bit of like spirit healing kind of thing, but
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: there's some medical backing to this to it. It's really weird.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: And then she said it was fine after that and
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: my wife is the she's a non believer she don't
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: get on, you can also stay alone in a very
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: creepy place. Should be fine. But a lot of times
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: when we stay in creepy places or we, like, go
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: to these kind of places. Right. She'll force it, like,
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: just like that. Wow. Yeah. So that was like, quite creepy. You,
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: have you been to that place?
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: P A win?
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: I, I'm not sure if I have, I might have,
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: but I've heard a lot of stories about then and
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: I met someone who lives in b, but I find
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: this story very interesting because it shows that like
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: spirits in the end, they there the spirits and no
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: matter like, you know what background you come come come from.
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: But I do feel um yeah, sometimes when you're in
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: certain places and you don't know, sometimes you take something
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: with you that's very unexplainable. Like what Kyle just shared
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: and thank you for sharing that, by the way. I mean,
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: that was um something personal. But um yeah, II I
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: would be keen to know if there's any advice out
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: there as to like, how, you know, what are people's
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: um
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: sort of um perception on that because like given, like
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: if your wife's a non-believer and, and it's interesting because
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: I think because she's a non-believer. So with nonbelievers, sometimes
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: they take the energy in a different way. So like,
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: um I think for your wife, the way she takes
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: in energy is affects her physically. Yeah, whereas for you,
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: which makes you to the perfect match. It's like your
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: outwards So you sense everything outwards and then she senses
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: everything physically inwards. That's so interesting.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: Have you guys heard about the German girls? Right. No, never.
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: First time you never, never heard of it. This is
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: my first time. You know about it. I know about it.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: I completely forgot that people ask her for 40 numbers,
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: very Singaporean. And I know that's the thing I was
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: about to say. It sounds like I'm making a joke
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: out of it. But we talk about how
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: spirits from elsewhere they adapt to the local culture. That's
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: a really good example of a western spirit adapting to
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: local culture. Agree. Agree. I mean, I don't know, I
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: wouldn't go there now now loud whenever I got it.
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: I was like, no, like I, even though I didn't
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: get the shingles but I experienced it through her. I
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: was like, what I Yeah. No, no, no. Yeah.
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: I would be interested to know how it might have
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: been because of both of you together. Yeah. Yeah, because I,
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: I've had that experience where I've experienced something with my
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: brother who is a non-believer, but it's, but we were
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: tied together and connected because after we went to a project,
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: it's like, oh, what's led to this is because of
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: you and you and him.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: you
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: are a conduit. Yeah, we are the Conduits. Oh my God.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: Actually a lot of her sickness right around like weird
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: and supposedly haunted places is because she was with me. Exactly.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: Sorry.
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: You're married to me. Sorry.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: Ok. So thank you again for joining us today. And
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  Speaker 1: thank you to all of you for tuning in to
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  Speaker 1: Tales From Incredible Tales. New episodes go out weekly on me,
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  Speaker 2: Podcast. My name is
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  Speaker 1: Art. My name is Wayne. My name is Kyle. My
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  Speaker 1: name is Ryan and we will see you next time
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  Speaker 1: Tales From Incredible Tales was hosted by Rohan Yako Wayne
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  Speaker 1: Ray and Carl Ong with special guest art directed and
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  Speaker 1: produced by Carl, written by Wayne re assistant director, Jin,
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  Speaker 1: director of photography. She Chua Gaffer, Jonathan Chan, art director
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  Speaker 1: Jolene Lim Sound by Audrey Lee hair and makeup by
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  Speaker 1: Bino Lim. Behind the scenes, footage shot by Bernard Lee.
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  Speaker 1: Production assistant Jasmine Ha. Studio support by Citrus lighting support
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  Speaker 1: by Abu Smokey Facts by PM Gear. Post-production by F
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  Speaker 1: motion graphics by Jolene Lim.
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  Speaker 1: Special thanks to Danny Cordy from media Corp Tales From
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  Speaker 1: Incredible Tales is a production of Hunt Two and Media Corp.
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