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James Morrell | The Christian Reeve Podcast #174 · The Christian Reeve Podcast

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  Hello and welcome to another episode of the Christian Reef
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  podcast. Today's guest is an actor, a
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  content creator from the UK. His name is James morale.
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  Welcome to the show hide. Oh, hello man, I'm good, man.
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  Thanks for having me on. How are you?
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  Yeah. Pleasure is pleasure, having you
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  on? It's kind of crazy.
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  It's funny, actually, because I feel like in a way, obviously,
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  we're both Aspire. Well, I don't know how far along
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  you are in your acting journey into that, but I am also an
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  aspiring actor. And whenever I'm looking at
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  other people's lives and how busy the ER and then I compared
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  it to mind. It's always interesting.
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  And in this particular week when I was trying to get this
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  interview, it kind of came last minute.
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  That's like, can I fit him in here?
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  I could I could like, I've got time.
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  Let's do it. Let's do it.
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  Let's do it. Yeah, yeah.
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  It's just like that. But yeah.
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  Actually speaking on speaking on like, how far on that in terms
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  of Maximum stuff, I, I chose to do, I thought I could, I thought
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  I'd fit this in, as well, like, in the meantime, I'm We pack it
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  up. I started rehearsals for dr.
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  Jekyll and mr. Hyde on Monday.
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  Okay. And so today, and tomorrow is
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  the last kind of two days I've got before rehearsals start
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  full-time and I thought I want to do something creative and fun
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  and talk about acting because I could see that you were an actor
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  as well and all around creative. I'm sexy guitars in the back
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  there. You've got a really sick pod,
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  cast, set up as well before I do it.
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  You're welcome. And I thought I do it because I
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  love podcast and stuff and don't really get to do it much.
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  So, It kind of surprises me actually, because you've got a
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  bit of a, pretty big following on On Tick-Tock, there's various
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  different types of content. You've been producing?
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  Yeah, I saw like, I was looking at your Instagram.
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  No. Then he's like, you got fans and
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  everything like it's getting there.
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  It's throwing this. Yeah, and obviously, I mean,
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  there is this crossover between those two things between acting
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  and content creation. Because I think I don't know if
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  you use in the same way, but I tend to use social media as a
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  way to try to create more awareness and maybe be visible.
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  Be In you know, because you never know who's watching who's
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  listening as I see one of the questions I wanted to ask you
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  like how how much is Tick-Tock actually helped you to either
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  get rolls or representation or maybe just be seen in general?
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  It hasn't helped in terms of acting Market.
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  My content creating about acting a completely separate, okay?
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  The only the only reason why they're coming together now is
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  because I'm a, I'm going to cater my content towards my
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  active in because I'm doing a job now.
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  Whereas the last two years, when I graduate, I got my agent two
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  years ago in 2020 way, before I even considered getting ticked
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  off because I used to, I used to talk bad on the app, a lot of
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  the time because I'm what I'd watch my siblings on it and I'd
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  be like, it's killing their brain cells are too much.
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  It's too much time spent on their phones and that stuff.
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  So I was like, I refuse to get it.
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  So I got my agent actually in in in drama school in 2020 in March
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  actually when my drama school had to close like every other
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  drama school because of covid. But luckily I had my main When I
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  got seen. So I got all my exposure and I
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  got all of my meetings and all of my opportunities for drama
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  school, actually and then come the back end of 2021.
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  I believe ya, August 20 21. So I moved back to London by
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  this point. I made a video on Tick-Tock and
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  that went viral and then as soon as I was in the algorithm, I
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  kept pumping out content. And so in terms of
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  opportunities, the only opportunities that it social and
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  picked up has brought is me working with Brands and stuff?
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  Which has been quite fun of actually I'm looking at coffee
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  machine right there because I'm working with Lavazza at the
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  moment. But, wow, when it comes to.
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  Yeah, that's that's, that's the fun part.
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  I've got like such a sick often, see it's got Alexa integrated
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  and everything that's freakin nuts.
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  I've made a couple videos for them.
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  I'm just waiting to hear back and all that kind of stuff.
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  But it's also acting opportunities.
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  I haven't had any hasn't opened doors for me in terms of acting
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  - because to be honest, I've kept it kind of I only told my
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  agent really like, a few months ago, it's just a worn them.
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  In case going until it's to guts did did, did start going a bit
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  mad? But, yeah, opportunity-wise
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  Tick-Tock and social media has brought opportunities to work
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  with brands that I like, obviously I, you know, I Kate it
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  a lot of my content before I left the coffee shop about, you
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  know, making coffee, Barista sketches, all this kind of
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  stuff. So, I don't have any problem
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  working. With the coffee company, there's
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  been a load of a load of people that have reached out to me,
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  that I didn't really kind of not agree with.
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  But like I wouldn't use a product.
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  So if I wouldn't use a product I wouldn't try and push it on my
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  followers, went for that and then the acting opportunities to
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  come from. So I got Jekyll and Hyde
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  audition for my agent. I went, I walked up to the
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  audition a week early, which was pointless, but it's good, it's
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  good, it's good. It's like I'm really yes.
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  That's probably what got me the role that in the mustache, to be
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  fair. But no, I've got my acting
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  stuff. It's actually my first proper.
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  I've had a paid acting job, but it was what I did, a short film
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  for the national film, National School of film, and television
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  National film, and television school, and FTS.
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  And I've done two of those. But the in terms of like big
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  kind of first acting jobs, this is my first one and it came from
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  my agent and my auditions and stuff.
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  So, let's timeline this out. So, basically, you're in Theater
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  school. Also drama school just before
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  2020. So how do you know?
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  I'm going to ask 26 36. Okay.
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  So how long have you actually been pursuing acting they're not
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  where, where does that start? And why did you actually decide
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  to get into acting or stop pursuing it?
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  I wanted to be an actor was a little boy.
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  I just watch those. I used to but I just used to
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  watch those two films and TV like I used to watch stuff for
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  my only granddaughter lot, my mom all the time and I just
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  earliest memory, is me watching a chip Caray So I believe it's
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  Jim Carrey, and a mix of Jim Carrey's films, and also Brave
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  heart, which is random. It's my favorite film.
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  I'm half Scottish. And so, there's a little bit of,
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  there's a little bit of like Comfort when it comes to watch
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  that film. And I watched it, I really young
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  age as well, which will be should not but I let you down.
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  Okay, it's a sickroom and I watched and I was a to just
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  always say, I want to do what that man on the Telus.
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  Do it. Like just freshly Jim Carrey and
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  stuff. So and then I never did it
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  because I was a young lad in school.
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  So, I was a little, you know, just some not something to the
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  wrong crowds as such. But the, the friends that I hang
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  around with some of my friends to this day, at the point where
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  we were in life weren't really interested in pursuing any kind
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  of anything really. So I just never did.
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  And then Secondary School came around.
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  I did, she probably did more acting in primary school.
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  Then I didn't second Squad in London s school because I was
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  too busy focused on trying to get girlfriends and hang around
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  my mate. Stuff.
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  I've got no gcses and then it was when I left school and I
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  realized I have nothing, I can't do nothing because I screwed up
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  school bad, you know, pretty badly and I didn't have any
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  grades. So then I took a year or year
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  and a half out and then up to a year and a half point, I decided
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  I want to be an actor. I've separated myself from, you
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  know, some people and stuff. So there's no really.
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  There's really no excuse and that's what I want to do more
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  than anything. So I started when I was 18, I
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  had an audition at college, so do Performing Arts, get like a
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  btech so I could have greatest you and drama school and I did
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  the audition. At the end of the audition.
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  I had a meeting with the two teachers Jason and Jason and
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  David, I'm really good friendship out and they were
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  like we don't have any you don't have any grades for us to let
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  you on the course but but like we can't we really want yet.
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  We're not going to give we're not going to put you on the
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  level 2 course because you're a bit older and your bit more
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  advanced. So Just squeeze you one and see
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  what we can do and I ended up getting on.
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  But then when I got on, I had to do my English and maths again on
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  top of doing my performing arts and stuff.
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  And so, I started really proper acting when I was when I, when I
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  17 just turning 18 and I'm 26 now, Damn what a day.
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  I just didn't thrilled by that. That's, that's amazing, man.
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  I mean it kind of just on the note of exams in general, like I
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  remember because I was simran, a dime, 29 some, a few years older
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  than you, but I do remember being at school and then laying
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  it on thick about like, or if you fail, your mass and your
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  English, you'll be screwed forever.
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  You'll never get anywhere in life.
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  Like, they, they really make you feel like there's quite
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  terrifying and then you discover that it's harder, don't get me
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  wrong. But at the same time, it's not
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  really the end of the world. Like Will always be
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  opportunities and you just lay one out there.
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  It's all about the people you meet and making the right
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  impression particularly in acting, you know, it's tough to
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  see what the acting industry. It's not what you know, it's
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  who, you know. And one thing I'm discovering
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  more and more as a try to get into Industries, like networking
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  and how you present yourself, and it kind of it's across
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  everywhere as well because obviously, we were speaking
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  earlier about how now you're taking a closer, look at
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  changing your content and so that it's More reflective of you
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  and what you're trying to do and I've been doing the same
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  recently. I've been like kind of delete no
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  old stuff and looking at, like, okay what does this say like
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  this is, okay, it's okay to be silly, but then does this give
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  the wrong impression of someone's looking and so on.
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  And it's like there's so many things you got, think about
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  this, this food. It's, but I can't lie to you,
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  right? One of the read.
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  One of the things that causes me the most stress is feeling like
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  I have to fit in a box to a certain degree.
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  Because in a sense of In a sense of like when creating content,
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  for example, you always have to be careful with with what you
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  put out online because of your digital footprint.
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  You know. I'll tell you a funny story.
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  For example, I work at the coffee shop.
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  Yeah, and I did take to upload to the coffee shop.
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  We start five two five to seven hundred people watching on a
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  live. Whilst I was making coffees and
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  messing around and I sing a lot of musical songs as well, and
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  I'd seen to one of our paint brushes in the paint brushes
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  that we use was too. Just get rid of coffee dust off
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  the side of the camp. I didn't use it for nothing
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  other than cleaning up. In fact, we never actually use
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  that exact coffee brush because it was a bit, it just wouldn't
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  just doesn't get in the right places.
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  Anyway, and you have, obviously we've got with anywhere between
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  five to seven hundred people watching.
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  You have a lot of trolls. You have the few, like, people
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  are just out there to like, kind of catch you out and try.
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  And, you know, there's always somebody scream reported for
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  example. So, somebody was screaming
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  calling me. I didn't realize know like they
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  made a comment about The brush or something or something.
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  And I just got sarcastic and I said, right?
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  Excuse this this is completely out of pocket, completely out of
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  character, right? But I'll made a joke.
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  I was at, right? Not obviously, I'm not going to
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  like clean the brush after I sing it.
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  So I'm going to put on my butt and then I'm going to make a
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  latte and stir it. And with the brush, give it to a
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  customer, right? Obviously, I'm joking, right?
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  I tried to say the crew disfigure and then about 20
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  minutes later, my boss comes in comes running in with his And
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  he's like, I just had this message come through because
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  yeah, they live down the road, like, was a very intimate, like
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  independent, coffee shop. And we like my bosses knew what
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  I did, and they were very supportive.
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  And they also understood about trolls and everything.
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  The only thing that they only problem they had was, they
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  didn't want to be receiving stupid messages from people
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  because they have a business to run.
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  And I just wanted some later know, like, I remember when you
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  were working there, like, I don't ever remember, you were
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  very careful to not include like branding stuff.
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  So, how did they find out exactly where you worked like
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  that? Was our I think maybe if you
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  scroll down onto my Barista sketch videos, maybe.
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  But the thing is, it's mirrored, right?
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  So you have to, you have to, you have to save the video and then
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  flip the video and camera roll to see the logo and the logo on
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  the door is white. So when this light coming in,
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  you can't even see it and I always excluded it but there's
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  been a few times where I mentioned it very slow heat.
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  I'm sure I mentioned it and I just think maybe that's just bit
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  me in the ass but he came running in any way.
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  Somebody's screen recorded me saying, I'm going to put a
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  tooth. Okay, bunch of hot buttons.
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  Do it in Stoke of a customer's coffee within give it to a
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  customer. My boss has soared up.
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  So I'm there's the biggest stress for me is when it comes
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  to my acting. I mean adults, right?
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  Grown adults, are smart enough to know to judge a person most
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  of the time, right? But with the thing with the
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  internet, it is ruthless. And there is always a stress.
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  I'm a. So I made a video the other day.
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  It's at one point, I think it's a 1.3 million views now, it's a
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  silly video and it's like a, like a Boyfriend/Girlfriend
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  thing. And I'm I'm basically saying
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  like it's like a sad fate at the end.
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  Like boyfriend says the girlfriend says I'm going for a
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  bath tonight, a boyfriend says, oh can I see some soapy titties?
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  And the gulf was like, no sorry, not tonight.
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  And then it cuts to the boyfriend character with really
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  sad face and I completely understand the the way it could
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  be taken in a sense that Somebody commented saying like
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  this is a representation of our society.
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  And I just think it's obviously obviously in real life, I don't
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  get mad at my girlfriend. If she doesn't, if she doesn't
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  like consent to anything whether or not about sexual or not, if I
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  say do you want to go for a walk and she says no I'm going to
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  respect for boundaries because she's a human being and stuff
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  but it's a silly five-second Tick-Tock and there's and that's
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  the problem. Like the the line is so fine and
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  so when it comes to content, And creating an acting.
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  I'm freaking terrified because I love making content because it's
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  silly and fun and it's an almost it's also a job opportunity and
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  also it's an opportunity to be creative which for me is
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  important but I don't know it. You just always have to be
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  careful and I suppose if you have good intentions, then you
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  have nothing to worry about what I find I have I have pretty good
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  intentions because I what I find important for me as my career
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  and being creative and also just Been having a good quality of
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  life. I don't have any bad intentions,
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  whereas I find where the real danger lies, especially when it
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  comes to content. Creation, is people that have
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  bad intentions, the try to mask it with good are always going to
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  be uncovered and you see that a lot of tick-tock?
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  So the only thing I guess I'll worry about all the time in the
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  pressure on my head is is trying to make content that is never
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  going to bite me in the ass when it comes to Mac dip because I
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  love hope. And my acting is my main fear
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  but I think generally Because I have exactly the same problems
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  and there was there was like there was actually an incident
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  where I'd release the video and I don't know to what extent if
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  this agent was legit or not, but they're an agent reached out to
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  me and it was a great opportunities.
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  Like the first time it's happened and I was really
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  excited and then like maybe an hour later, they're like, oh,
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  actually no. We've seen some video that
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  you've done and now with never want to work with you and again,
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  I'll what? Oh my God, like, What is this
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  video? And then when I saw what the
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  video was, and it wasn't anything too bad, but I can
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  understand why they would be upset with it.
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  And to be fairly they even said, like we're not going to share
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  this because, you know, we think you deserve a chance and you
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  know, but we're not prepared to work with you and that stuck
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  with me ever since then and now I'm same as you.
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  I'm like, really laser focused on what I create what kind of
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  message, it sends out, you know, even just like, basic little
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  things where you think like our this will be funny, this will
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  get people laughing and then but you don't think.
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  About all the ways that people might interpret it and it's Isis
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  hard to be able to know every single way that a potentially, a
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  person, might interpret that. And I think I think what will
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  benefit you and me more is Is holding our own and having
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  Integrity. Again, if you and the people
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  around you. So that agent, for example,
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  dependent, I don't know what the context of the video was.
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  I don't really want to speak on them, I completely understand
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  the line and why people wouldn't would want to work with
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  somebody. They don't understand people's
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  standards and boundaries that's completely up to them.
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  But for example, when it comes to my agent, I feel like I'm
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  very blessed in this sense because there are sensible
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  people and then there are there are people that are so terrified
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  again of everything and you want to work with a sensible people,
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  to people that know, you're a good person to people that know
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  your intentions, the people that know.
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  The difference between satire and yeah, and I guess just being
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  an asshole. So opportunity missed their
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  opportunity. Avoided it's difficult but I can
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  completely understand that the stress of literally post a
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  video. Like what me my girlfriend film?
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  A lot of content together. Right where she films me and
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  it's covid-19 to me on the street stuff and so ironic stuff
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  like it's You know, in my head. I'm thinking this is exactly
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  what these fucking ticked off because think about themselves
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  when they get approached on the street, something like that.
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  But and I have to think, I mean, to be fair, I've done
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  everything. I content online at my teeth.
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  I love that content sometimes. I think, /, think / think the
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  small content where it's like, 57 seconds long, and it's a
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  caption, and you have to think it's ridiculous that you have to
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  think, fuck me. This is, this is how it is, in
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  my head. This is how 97% of people are
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  going to perceive it, but there's always going to be a
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  small percentage of people that are going to see.
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  I like, can I assume you have bad intention site and it's just
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  so it's so overwhelming. When at the end of the day, all
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  you want to do is to make videos and also all you want to do is
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  make funny videos, not even videos to be controversial.
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  Whereas you've got people out there that based their entire
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  personality on that and make loads of money and they have
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  their entire brand on that. And it's like why I'm while we
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  sit here wasting our time beating ourselves up about
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  making a stupid video because we're worried about an agent or
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  a casting director or somebody won't local buzz and that's
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  another thing I'm learning as well.
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  The right people will want to work with you and the more you
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  touch, I try and cater. I'll speak to myself the more I
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  try and catered towards thinking.
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  That I'm going to please somebody that I've never even
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  met nor know exists, the less happy I am, whereas like now,
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  for example, with the Jekyll and Hyde thing, I'm like, well, I'm
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  working with the marketing team and we're going to be making
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  content on both channels mind, are they like you can do
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  whatever you want on your page? But we're on our pain, the
• 18:38
  diabetes patient, just launched The Tick-Tock they Want to
• 18:41
  obviously structure the content more and it be a little bit more
• 18:44
  planned out. And, you know, that kind of
• 18:47
  stuff. Whereas mine's a little bit more
• 18:48
  lot of muscle planned out Minds. Look more sporadic and chaotic,
• 18:51
  and all over the place. So, Dynamite all of the content
• 18:56
  I've made where I've ever thought it as lat.
• 18:59
  You know I've still landed in a situation where people real
• 19:03
  people, real people that are sensible and intelligent enough
• 19:07
  to see the intentions behind me, as a person of my creativity and
• 19:11
  content is good and therefore they want to work with me.
• 19:14
  And so, having integrity and not silencing yourself to a degree.
• 19:20
  Checking yourself. Holding yourself accountable and
• 19:22
  being respectful I guess the free gift.
• 19:24
  You to do but making a concert you want to make eventually will
• 19:30
  bring the right people around you in the right.
• 19:32
  So for me I have really bad imposter syndrome.
• 19:34
  I have no I have no idea why the vast want to work with me.
• 19:36
  I'm no, I did it. I did a video promoting the
• 19:38
  Charlie Chaplin documentary that came out a few months ago.
• 19:42
  No idea why that company film company wanted to work be, but
• 19:44
  when they reach that arm up, fuck me, like, shit, I've no
• 19:48
  idea why. Well style, be theater realized
• 19:50
  I made content because I don't think they realize I did it.
• 19:53
  Until I was car so I'm not sure I do.
• 19:57
  I think white I've got all like now I have real-life grown-up
• 20:01
  man. Responsibilities people actually
• 20:02
  want to work with me, my content isn't bad because I'm always
• 20:05
  thinking, my content is going to get me canceled my contents bad
• 20:08
  this shit all this bad stuff like - stuff?
• 20:11
  Well actually Not beating yourself up because of that
• 20:16
  small minority of like, people that get offended by everything
• 20:20
  is, it's actually a good thing and will work in your favor if
• 20:24
  you kind of hold your own. But obviously not go out of your
• 20:27
  way to be a dick but I don't know.
• 20:29
  I don't think I'm rambling a little bit.
• 20:30
  No, no I think you're onto something.
• 20:32
  And I think that what you said before about intention I think
• 20:35
  is the key with all of this in the day you know you're a good
• 20:39
  bloke I mean okay that I'm not an expert on you but you come
• 20:42
  across It is a good guy and I think that the reason I'll just
• 20:46
  speak on his posture syndrome a second as well.
• 20:48
  I will say, it's funny to me that the people that are always
• 20:52
  most talented and the nicest people always have imposter
• 20:55
  syndrome. That's why people love you
• 20:56
  because you're a funny guy, you're down to earth.
• 20:59
  You're you know you're going to go somewhere with it.
• 21:01
  Like you can you can tell we're certain people that they're
• 21:06
  going to be successful. There's like it's a combination
• 21:10
  of things. Part of it is the look part of
• 21:12
  it is The way they hold themselves, the way they think.
• 21:16
  I think in this industry that you're getting into as I said
• 21:19
  before you know it's all about being able to connect people
• 21:22
  being able to befriend people and make a good impression and
• 21:26
  you do that all the time and it's just a matter of time
• 21:29
  really you know it really is the thing, that's the thing when it
• 21:34
  comes to imposter syndrome it has no It has no.
• 21:40
  What's the right way that's rubbing.
• 21:41
  It has no end goal. Nor does it have a face name or
• 21:47
  chosen demographic? You know, you could have Brad
• 21:50
  Pitt on the right and you could have Joe the Plumber on the
• 21:55
  left. Brad Pitt could well, possibly
• 21:59
  be the most unhappy person, a lot of the time on set because
• 22:05
  you know, happy person in general, but a lot of time
• 22:07
  unhappy onset because he's too busy.
• 22:09
  He worried about whether or not the work he's producing, he's
• 22:12
  good. But he's Brad Pitt.
• 22:14
  And what you see with Brad Pitt, you think that's fucking Brad
• 22:16
  Pitt. Of course, he's this and that
• 22:18
  but you have no idea. What's going to said, where's
• 22:19
  Joe? The plumber is probably on the
• 22:20
  other end light goes home. He's happy.
• 22:23
  He wakes up. He's happy goes to the job.
• 22:25
  He's doing fixing the toilet, fixing the sink.
• 22:27
  He's happy because he's confident in what he's doing.
• 22:31
  Whereas you know on a the next day it could be the other way
• 22:34
  around. I had no like Target it's like
• 22:36
  coronavirus. It doesn't just it doesn't go
• 22:38
  away at 10 p.m. curfew or it doesn't fucking you know I'm not
• 22:44
  going to attack that person because they've got a mask on
• 22:46
  you know. I mean it's like it's really
• 22:48
  funny that you say that because it is so true.
• 22:50
  Sometimes the most Genuine people, I think because of
• 22:56
  imposter syndrome. And because of sometimes, you
• 23:00
  know, - ways of thinking people, the people that have those kind
• 23:03
  of traits are the most humble, because they are super
• 23:06
  self-aware. Of.
• 23:10
  How they feel when how crappy it is.
• 23:13
  They wouldn't want anybody else to feel about though is
• 23:16
  sometimes most well it is sometimes.
• 23:18
  I guess I don't want to do analyze because I don't know.
• 23:22
  Probably the people that you least expect it.
• 23:23
  Whenever I'm watching my favorite actors talk on
• 23:25
  interviews and stuff, I'll do it all the time.
• 23:28
  I'm trying to get a bit of clarity on my life and my own
• 23:30
  and how I work creatively. I don't know, fuck me like
• 23:34
  Andrew Garfield. For example, I have the same
• 23:36
  thought processes him sometimes, and I'm like, aw like who's the
• 23:41
  guy who plays hopper in stranger things?
• 23:43
  Was his name again. So yeah, so so him, right?
• 23:50
  For example, listening to his story when he was like being at,
• 23:53
  he was unemployed for a long period of time and stuff and you
• 23:55
  know having self-doubt and all this kind of stuff.
• 23:58
  I might Jesus Christ. It is everybody that you least
• 24:01
  expect it. To be and I think there's
• 24:04
  comfort in that too. There it is as an aspiring
• 24:09
  actor. Anyway, it's Comfort because
• 24:11
  when I watch, When I'm at vent, when I'm having a shit time
• 24:16
  unemployed getting rejected I've had about 60 auditions.
• 24:19
  It's graduating movies TV shows National Theater.
• 24:24
  I've had reject I've been rejected from every single one I
• 24:26
  like too impersonal. Ditions it's when we go through
• 24:31
  that period of rejection, there's nothing more
• 24:35
  demoralizing in dehumanizing, to be honest because you can't
• 24:38
  separate. It's hot as an actor, you can't
• 24:41
  separate yourself from the fact that you're just not that
• 24:45
  character. You're not right for the
• 24:46
  character. It's always it always hits
• 24:48
  personally. So when you cut, when it comes
• 24:52
  to imposter syndrome or stuff, when things start working out
• 24:53
  for you, you can't it's impossible to believe or accept.
• 24:57
  That's my experience, especially with social media feed on it.
• 24:59
  I'm making videos on Tick, Tock the Sometimes if not 85% of the
• 25:05
  time I'm just walking down the street or I'm in my room, right?
• 25:08
  Fuck with my camera out to film a video post.
• 25:10
  It don't even think twice about, you can ask my girlfriend.
• 25:12
  She when I stood up, when I used to do a lot of the snapshot, I
• 25:14
  content, this improvised in impressions of this guy.
• 25:19
  I'd be laying in bed like will be chilling or something, I'd
• 25:21
  shoot up and I'll be running around the house, getting a
• 25:23
  hoodie and a and a cup or like setting a bathroom up and then
• 25:27
  I'll just film a video and then it B all be done in about 11
• 25:29
  minutes and then I post it. And the next day it would have
• 25:32
  half million views. when that stuff's not happening, I'm
• 25:37
  sitting there, I'm thinking, there's no way this is real,
• 25:39
  there's no way this is real and it's nowhere or if I'm going to
• 25:41
  a social media event, I'm like What am I here for like, but,
• 25:45
  you know, it is. It's just so, it's so
• 25:49
  fascinating to take a step back and look at all in hindsight,
• 25:51
  and also from a, from a, from afar.
• 25:54
  And then look back at interviews of other actors that I love.
• 25:57
  And look up to and, and, and see how their experience is similar.
• 26:02
  And that kind of makes me feel less alone I guess.
• 26:05
  I hear you man. My hey for me, it's kind of
• 26:11
  Bittersweet but when this on this show, I've had a lot of
• 26:14
  people who I'm convinced, I'm going to be really, really
• 26:18
  successful. Be it actors musicians.
• 26:21
  Whatever the case, maybe you could, it's like I said before,
• 26:23
  you can just tell, I can just tell you, I think, within the
• 26:25
  next five years, you'll be within you'll be in something
• 26:28
  big and people will come back to.
• 26:31
  This moment will happen, man, it will happen either.
• 26:35
  I believe it's not just me saying it because you're here
• 26:37
  and I'm like I wanted to Curry favor like I just I believe it.
• 26:40
  I really do. I think you can see it in
• 26:42
  certain people and it's it comes down to different things.
• 26:45
  It's like I had the feeling that you're not going to give up and
• 26:48
  it's the same with me. Like I'm not going to give up
• 26:50
  because I'm just stubborn. But you know it's that kind of a
• 26:53
  man. I will say this for myself
• 26:59
  because I've always wanted to Let's go in 1604, has no hope.
• 27:06
  I need to join the Army, I went to Harrogate, which is where
• 27:08
  they did two years of army training.
• 27:09
  And also you do a bunch of like school work, as well as I can't
• 27:13
  remember what it was all about. But I went to Harrogate for an
• 27:14
  open day, me and my friends and my family as well, and I was
• 27:18
  like, I'm joining the Army. Then the only reason why I
• 27:20
  didn't do it at 16 was because I was scared of being alone and my
• 27:23
  friend couldn't join because he had to be had to medicate a
• 27:25
  medical issue. So can join.
• 27:26
  So I didn't go luckily, I've always had a I did Cadets when I
• 27:30
  was younger. I've always had a raw
• 27:32
  fascination with the outdoors, you know, your thoughts beggar?
• 27:34
  As religiously. I love going to the picture show
• 27:36
  hiking, Capital that stuff like I and there's something.
• 27:39
  Dramatic joined me to the Army. And as I got older I kind of
• 27:42
  developed a fascination with the Marines.
• 27:43
  I was like the Army's a little bit a little bit.
• 27:47
  It's not enough for what I want. So the Marines was the next day.
• 27:50
  Anyway, fast forward to going to college going to drama school,
• 27:55
  leaving drama school, boom, knock down here.
• 27:58
  And that's how some in a box room all day every day for eight
• 28:01
  weeks straight. After that, eight weeks, I've
• 28:04
  got a job in Each packet Factory because it was one of the places
• 28:07
  that was open and I needed a job because I wanted to save money
• 28:09
  to come back to London. So I mean, my make this at got a
• 28:11
  job at his Factory and every day I was coming home and I was
• 28:15
  getting more and more depressed because nobody was having
• 28:17
  auditions. I couldn't think about that.
• 28:19
  I was just thinking about myself and being about how I'm not
• 28:21
  getting anything to to auditions that.
• 28:24
  I had had I got rejected from and I was thinking this is shit,
• 28:28
  it's a grant. I left the drums for March, it's
• 28:31
  now December time. Well, this is before there's a
• 28:33
  time to be honest before, I Moved to London, maybe longest
• 28:37
  time. I've had fuck all.
• 28:38
  This is shit. This isn't going to happen for
• 28:40
  me. Hey my dude, I would have
• 28:42
  graduated in July and August is the month after July didn't,
• 28:45
  give myself a chance. So I was going to quit.
• 28:48
  I had a drafted email. So my agent written out that I'm
• 28:52
  leaving. And I'm joining the Marines
• 28:54
  because every day, I'd go home, I'd watch.
• 28:57
  A documentary on YouTube about Livingstone Academy which is
• 29:00
  when I do with a Marine training, right?
• 29:02
  And I had such a visceral, emotional reaction to that
• 29:05
  documentary. I could not stop watching it and
• 29:07
  it was so inspiring and watching all these Lads, you know, go on
• 29:16
  their own. No one had any idea who any one
• 29:18
  was. They were completely isolated
• 29:19
  alone. Most of them had no jobs.
• 29:21
  Most of them had drug addictions, alcohol problems,
• 29:24
  their mums, and dads have died. They were just Lone wolves that
• 29:27
  were screwed by Society in the system and so they thought the
• 29:32
  only option was Marines and then there was other people that all
• 29:35
  they wanted to do is join the Marines for example like myself
• 29:38
  was a mix of both. All right because I fucked up at
• 29:40
  school but anyway that that was way before the drama school so
• 29:44
  every day I was, I'm quitting. Fuck the industry.
• 29:46
  Fuck. Fuck not getting audition.
• 29:49
  Screw this. I'm not pleasing anybody.
• 29:51
  But and then luckily I didn't because, okay, two reasons.
• 29:55
  I've got Crohn's disease which obviously It's not I mean to say
• 29:59
  is in the Marines would have none of that.
• 30:01
  Secondly I moved back to London. Then luckily I've got my
• 30:04
  creative flow back and I didn't fucking quit Frank fuck because
• 30:08
  when it comes to quit the reason, what the only reason why
• 30:10
  I tell you this story is because I'll tell this to any actor Ice.
• 30:13
  I met a guy in Darby Town Center yesterday a young lad whole days
• 30:17
  and he was like a blessing, you're so sweet.
• 30:20
  I was on the phone to the one-on-one so I had a really bad
• 30:22
  toothache last few months and he waited for like five minutes for
• 30:26
  this phone calls. In and he told me that he was,
• 30:27
  it was a lovely stuff, really, really funny this and that and
• 30:30
  he was like, you inspiring because I want to be a comedian
• 30:33
  and I wanted to do, you know, kind of similar stuff and I just
• 30:36
  said I was like, just don't quit, don't quit, don't quit,
• 30:38
  don't quit, it's going to be shit.
• 30:39
  That quit, don't quit always do makes you happy because the only
• 30:43
  reason the only person you're ever going to do a disservice to
• 30:46
  if if you quit in the face of with a fuck you, attitude to the
• 30:49
  industry, the industry isn't going to turn.
• 30:52
  I don't care. If you're 29, 3959, there's
• 30:55
  always an age. There's a there's a character
• 30:58
  for any age all of the time Christopher Lee acted up until
• 31:00
  he's pretty fucking die aggressive.
• 31:03
  The only person you're doing a disservice to is yourself
• 31:05
  because the industry when you quit industry has no idea.
• 31:09
  You even breathe, oxygen, let alone let alone exist.
• 31:14
  Let alone want to be the next Brad Pitt.
• 31:15
  You know, the industry is it going to be like, They're gonna
• 31:18
  have an itch on the back of the neck.
• 31:19
  Like oh my God, I think of James morels, just quit in the face of
• 31:24
  with a big fuck you. Let's call him up and give him
• 31:25
  the new Spider-Man. The only person you ever going
• 31:27
  to let down is that little boy inside your heart, where, when
• 31:30
  you were a little boy, you said to yourself for me anyway.
• 31:32
  I said to myself at 67 years old, I want to be, I want to do
• 31:34
  them on and tell you is if I quit the only person I'm doing a
• 31:38
  disservice to his myself and that little boy because The
• 31:41
  industry is going to come back, right?
• 31:44
  Come back. We want to give you a TV show
• 31:45
  because it doesn't know you exist and that's not the
• 31:47
  industry's fault. It's such a topic can be such a
• 31:51
  horrible toxic place but at the same time it can be where all
• 31:55
  the magic happens. And when all the magic happens,
• 31:58
  you have to grab it and and ride that wave.
• 32:01
  As long as that Rave can fucking keep yourself up.
• 32:04
  Because when you quit, I'm sorry.
• 32:07
  But, like, I'll say this to anyone.
• 32:09
  I do say to everyone. Now, That's what because it's
• 32:11
  what I say to myself. If I could, if I wake up
• 32:13
  tomorrow and and have them - morning and think I'm quitting
• 32:17
  because I'm scared of this play, I can't do it all these
• 32:20
  intrusive thoughts and stuff your personal letting down as
• 32:23
  myself or the other day. And the only person you have
• 32:24
  already is just so, and so, Being like, give you advice
• 32:31
  because I'm sure you might you may or may not need it.
• 32:33
  But that's what I say to myself anyway, that you're only going
• 32:36
  to let yourself down. And I'll say this to everyone as
• 32:38
  well as wants to be creative in any in any case just don't do it
• 32:41
  just fucking keep going man. Keep going.
• 32:44
  So I got World passionate but I love him and I love it and I all
• 32:48
  the people they're going to see this again to love it too.
• 32:51
  I've said it before. But this is why I love doing
• 32:54
  this show because And I've been trying to think about like, how
• 32:58
  to Brand the show and recently, someone asked me the other day
• 33:01
  when I was working, the bar shift and they're like, so,
• 33:03
  what's the show about? And I said, well, I guess in a
• 33:06
  nutshell, it's inspiring people with inspiring stories and just
• 33:09
  inspirational topics and it's conversations like this, that
• 33:13
  are inspirational for a number of reasons.
• 33:16
  I mean, it's it's inspirational for me too.
• 33:18
  I mean, bro, I'm not. I'm not The Dashing chat but you
• 33:22
  are with the following that you have and I'm a bit older than
• 33:25
  you and it's it's a lot. Less likely for me, but hearing
• 33:28
  stuff like this does kind of listen, this is my going.
• 33:32
  It's good to hear. It's positive stuff that you
• 33:35
  need. I'll tell you one thing.
• 33:37
  I know I'm 26, and I have three years on you, but and I might
• 33:41
  have to enjoy, I might have whatever I have on social media.
• 33:45
  I'm telling you now, in my head. I'll talk to my girlfriend until
• 33:50
  the time because she's 23. She thinks we both were both
• 33:53
  certificate. We're too fucking old to do.
• 33:54
  Whatever it is that you want to do.
• 33:55
  Know. 30 is the new 20 and men don't Peak until they're in
• 33:59
  their 30s and 40s. I'm telling you now and look how
• 34:02
  bright. I always, I always go back to
• 34:04
  Bryan Cranston. I read his book, right?
• 34:05
  When it first came out because I went to go and watch him in a
• 34:10
  network, right? And I'm ready' but base the
• 34:11
  dudes career, he was always a working like that was always
• 34:14
  well respected in the industry but Breaking Bad came around
• 34:18
  when he was Late 40s. Early 50s.
• 34:21
  And again, his career peaked, then there's again.
• 34:26
  It doesn't matter. If you're 50, 60, your, your
• 34:29
  capabilities physically, might be a little less than what they
• 34:32
  are at 26 to 29 to 35, whatever. But your spirit and knowledge.
• 34:40
  We'll always be there. So again, the game of comparison
• 34:45
  is so dangerous and I do it all the time.
• 34:48
  The amount of men that I've had to block out of sheer
• 34:50
  insecurities on social media. Really.
• 34:53
  Not because of not, because of like, no, I haven't really
• 34:57
  blocked them. But I prayed I press not
• 34:58
  interested in a lot of years because I compared myself a lot
• 35:01
  of the time. And and that is toxic.
• 35:03
  And again, that's my way of, that's my way of blocking out.
• 35:08
  It's not about it's not about insecurity.
• 35:10
  Ortiz. It's about being sensible for my
• 35:13
  mental health, in a sense. So, if I see a young lad that's
• 35:19
  really handsome, that's really talented as doing really well in
• 35:23
  my heart, I feel really. I feel, I feel like Joseph
• 35:26
  Quinn, for example, that guy is so charismatic and so I look at
• 35:32
  him I think you're so fucking cool and you're so good as well.
• 35:35
  I mean to be faced a bad example because I always I always
• 35:37
  watched. I always watch the stuff he's
• 35:39
  in. And again, I have a lot of male
• 35:40
  people, but a lot of mail created an act.
• 35:45
  As I look up to and stuff anyone else in particular?
• 35:49
  So I look up to older gentleman, I look up to Hugh Jackman a lot
• 35:53
  in his journey and his personality a lot because if you
• 35:56
  if you look at him as a person and then you watch him as
• 35:59
  Marbury and he's like he's a difference.
• 36:02
  To be it. It's like the transformation is
• 36:04
  different. I do just want to quickly
• 36:05
  justify the block anything quickly because it does.
• 36:08
  It sounds a bit toxic. When I say, I'll get the know I
• 36:10
  go. You mean?
• 36:12
  I do the same thing to it's a kind of, maybe insecurity isn't
• 36:16
  the right word. But this is one thing I wanted
• 36:18
  to say to you, too. And raises a point, is this idea
• 36:20
  that like, And it sounds crazy. I don't know if I said this in
• 36:26
  the show before I may or may not have, but I have this current
• 36:29
  feeling where I feel like everyone around me is doing
• 36:33
  really well. And I remember doing a video
• 36:35
  about this, where it's like one of those like Bittersweet like
• 36:39
  you're clapping for the success of other people but inside
• 36:41
  you're dying and it's pain and and it's weird like doing this
• 36:45
  show, for example, all the people that have on this show, I
• 36:48
  like really successful or they're going somewhere.
• 36:51
  And I'm just looking at all these people in Ahmad and I'm
• 36:53
  like Huh, and then the feeling that I have at first, it was
• 36:58
  like all these people were better than me.
• 37:00
  I'm still happy for them, it's not better, but I'm happy for
• 37:02
  them. But the thing that goes through
• 37:04
  my head that I can't shake, is this idea of like, oh, these are
• 37:09
  people that are successful and like I'm not one of those people
• 37:13
  like this, you know, like it's not in the cards for me.
• 37:16
  I'm supposed to be a spectator as opposed to being on the stage
• 37:20
  and then because of what you were saying before about like
• 37:22
  hiding that like people. But you're envious of not
• 37:24
  jealous or envious, right? Yeah, Envy, I think.
• 37:29
  Yeah, I think and I think in today's, in today's kind of
• 37:34
  Social media kind of what a comparison and toxicity and
• 37:38
  stuff. I think jealousy and envy get
• 37:40
  muddled up and a slowly becoming the same thing.
• 37:42
  Whereas I can very much differentiate between envy and
• 37:45
  jealousy, and I think is Envy. So there are a lot of people
• 37:49
  that I try to avoid because At the point where I'm at, I don't
• 37:55
  know. It's we there's a lot of
• 37:56
  bitterness in the industry when I say, fuck my friend.
• 37:58
  For example comes up to me and says, I've just booked, I've
• 38:01
  just booked this gig. I'm doing a TV show for six
• 38:04
  months. the genuine happiness that I will fill for them is
• 38:11
  It's beyond any. I can't really explain it.
• 38:15
  And then, on the flipside of that, there's a part of me
• 38:17
  that's like, Dude, I'd kill to be doing that same thing, but
• 38:21
  I'm genuinely happy for you. And so, the people are not my
• 38:24
  friends. This is the best way to describe
• 38:25
  that. People are not my friends and
• 38:27
  the people that I don't know, but I see on social media all
• 38:29
  the time that live in my dreams, there's only a select few that I
• 38:35
  have to hide sometimes because I can't help, but compare, and
• 38:39
  it's only because of compare. I'm not I'm not Before them, I'm
• 38:42
  not angry at the world because I'm not doing it.
• 38:45
  I'm not bitter towards them sometimes.
• 38:48
  Social media is a very overwhelming place and I spend a
• 38:51
  lot of time on it and so I have to hide some things so I don't
• 38:55
  see it. So I don't get in the game of
• 38:57
  comparing again and so when it comes to comparing, I think
• 38:59
  going back to the original point.
• 39:01
  It's dangerous game. I don't I think it goes with age
• 39:05
  to be honest and experience. I think we all have to go
• 39:07
  through it. You know there's its like
• 39:10
  telling your kids do don't don't walk along that wall because you
• 39:14
  might slip and fall the kids going to do it anyway.
• 39:16
  And if it's different for that's when they learn.
• 39:18
  Like I'm always going to compare myself, doesn't matter how many
• 39:21
  times I tell people that You know, except for example, you
• 39:25
  you know you're saying that I'm 26 but free is only and whatever
• 39:28
  it is that I've got on social media and stuff.
• 39:31
  It doesn't matter how many times you say comparing is bad,
• 39:34
  because we all do it. But my tools and stuff for that
• 39:38
  is, I mean, maybe it's a little bit unhealthy to be fair but
• 39:42
  well, it's not really unhealthy or toxic.
• 39:43
  I don't know. I just sometimes I have to have
• 39:46
  to click not interested, so I don't really see it as much
• 39:49
  because I compared myself, I can permit.
• 39:51
  I compare myself to a lot of like younger guys.
• 39:53
  At my age that a really successful YouTubers because
• 39:56
  I've been making YouTube content since I was 12, but Vlogs
• 39:58
  videos, silly videos on his kid. I'm 26 now.
• 40:01
  And only now is my content that I've created is, starting to
• 40:04
  start a little bit of a following.
• 40:05
  That's, that's 14 years, no? Yeah. 14 years of, putting
• 40:09
  content online and nothing happening until I'm 26.
• 40:13
  And so when I watched people sometimes that are my age, so
• 40:17
  glad to specially I get envious and I think, you know what, this
• 40:23
  fucking normalize it. As long as you don't, as long as
• 40:26
  you don't hold any hatred towards you people because of
• 40:29
  what they're doing, and, as long as you don't hold any any
• 40:32
  vicious jealousy or malice or bad intentions towards if you do
• 40:35
  as long as you don't want to deck someone for being
• 40:37
  successful, that's fine. You can you can feel a little
• 40:40
  bit of envy you can kind of want that and you know what?
• 40:44
  It fucking drives me as well. I say to my government and I've
• 40:47
  met this girl that I've worked Cole, I have another girl.
• 40:50
  The four years I'm very much been in my own world doing that.
• 40:54
  Chase enacted. And and trying to be successful.
• 40:57
  I met this guy and I think my whole priorities change the
• 41:00
  right, I don't want to do this, just for myself.
• 41:02
  I want to share this experience. I'm in my twenties, I could do
• 41:05
  it alone and be really successful and rich in my 30s
• 41:09
  and then not really know people's true intentions like in
• 41:11
  terms of women or I can Be even more driven by this envy and
• 41:18
  stuff, was having a partner. And because they, we talk a lot
• 41:21
  about our future together, and houses and marriage and all that
• 41:24
  kind of stuff, because it's genuinely how we feel, but we
• 41:28
  can, if I can't do it just yet and so the fuel from that, and
• 41:33
  then the fuel from seeing young Lads that I have all of that
• 41:37
  capacity Carville that capability and opportunity,
• 41:40
  because of their success on social media, especially and
• 41:43
  also young actors activity, Charlemagne, Tom Holland in
• 41:46
  Suffolk, kind of my age range that I'm watching and I'm like
• 41:49
  franchise after franchise, you know, it kind of never ever
• 41:56
  makes me laying in bed thinking. I'm not going to do it, so I'm
• 41:59
  going to give up. It always drives me.
• 42:01
  So I guess that's kind of healthy.
• 42:04
  Not only, I agree. I think it is.
• 42:07
  I think it's it can be used as a tool to push yourself to an
• 42:11
  amine and look at those are just an aside that like, I don't
• 42:14
  know, I thought it's so weird. Like how much I have in common
• 42:16
  with you and how much I resonate with the things you're saying.
• 42:19
  Like it's actually starting to freak me out, but it's because I
• 42:24
  get it and it's refreshing to hear and I totally know what you
• 42:28
  mean when it comes to his acting.
• 42:30
  When I first tried to get into acting, I thought it was going
• 42:34
  to be, like, everyone is out for themselves.
• 42:35
  Everyone's like brutal and hates each other.
• 42:37
  But I mean, I haven't said I've seen a bit of that, but mostly,
• 42:41
  it's people being all cool. What you doing?
• 42:44
  What you up to did it? That, like, people being
• 42:45
  supportive, sometimes people will even for instance, suggest
• 42:49
  you for a role I've been at. Oh yeah.
• 42:52
  I know such and such to be perfect for this and stuff, you
• 42:54
  know. It's, yeah.
• 42:55
  And that's a real positive part of it, but yeah, you do
• 42:58
  something like I did an audition for something recently and I
• 43:03
  would say, like, 95% of the people, they're nice.
• 43:08
  Lovely. Wonderful people.
• 43:09
  Right. And then there's a few people
• 43:10
  there that, you know, maybe They've been acting a little
• 43:16
  bit. Maybe they got a bit of sweat.
• 43:17
  Yeah, they're too good to say hello to me.
• 43:20
  Let's put it that way and and I'm like, okay fine.
• 43:23
  Whatever I couldn't give two shits but it's interesting that
• 43:27
  mentality that people have when they they big-league you.
• 43:30
  So to speak, especially when they're not even successful yet,
• 43:34
  and it's like, oh well, you've got a wrong dodgy attitude.
• 43:37
  Going into it. Like, and it's been about come
• 43:40
  to bite you in the ass that actually.
• 43:42
  Yeah, that's really funny. You said I got a quick story,
• 43:44
  actually, one of my French drama.
• 43:45
  School did it. I won't name any shows or names
• 43:47
  or anything but worked on a show, which is coming out soon
• 43:52
  and on that show that the main guys in it, the stars, for
• 43:58
  example, who were the kind of the frontrunners of the main
• 44:03
  guys at the show, he was telling me stories about working on set
• 44:06
  because obviously, I'm like, dude, fucking tell me every
• 44:08
  single little detail down to the grain of sand, a used on the
• 44:11
  set. And he was telling me stories
• 44:14
  about how like the Man guys would like a couple of one of
• 44:16
  them would come in every morning and be super lovely and offer
• 44:18
  anyone like to do you fancy a tea coffee.
• 44:21
  Like I'll go make them for you. Oh, grandpa or whatever and the
• 44:24
  ones that had that shitty stinking attitude, or the ones
• 44:27
  of the select few small, small one on the ones that just
• 44:30
  graduated drama school, that had got this job that now, because
• 44:33
  they've got this job when they just finished drama school.
• 44:35
  That a big league now. And it's it's so interesting.
• 44:39
  You just say that because he was working on a show that's
• 44:41
  obviously very established. It's going to be a fucking huge
• 44:43
  thing. And the ones that the ones that
• 44:47
  would had heart. And so on were genuine, were the
• 44:50
  guys that were you would think a probably going to be the ones of
• 44:53
  a little bit of an ego because they are the names.
• 44:55
  They are the stars and they're working consistently in that on
• 44:58
  everything you ever see everywhere.
• 44:59
  Where is it was? The guys are just graduated
• 45:01
  drama school that got this job that have been like you know
• 45:04
  what, I'm fucking big now. And I think what's good for
• 45:08
  people like ours and it's this is the only way I can justify it
• 45:10
  to myself because if I don't I'll go crazy.
• 45:13
  The world and Industry keeps on humbling me because when I tell
• 45:17
  you, when I went to college, I was a cock.
• 45:20
  I was so egotistical because of what the guy said to me, in
• 45:23
  addition, the audition I will likely you don't have great.
• 45:25
  Don't want to put you on the lower courts because you're a
• 45:28
  bit more advanced than that. And I was like, yeah, I'm
• 45:30
  fucking good and had a bit of an ego and a little bit of a
• 45:32
  complex and because I was like, I thought eight Seventeen
• 45:36
  eighteen which is no fault of anyone because I'm 17 18.
• 45:39
  I thought I this is me the world has made about me.
• 45:43
  Me. This is my world.
• 45:45
  I'm going to fuck you live in it and I'm going to own it.
• 45:47
  I'm going to be the best famous most handsome Brad Pitt ever.
• 45:50
  And I've got to drop a college and I had that mentality
• 45:54
  majority through the whole thing.
• 45:55
  Never humbled me once and then left got rejected from drama
• 45:59
  school, boom, humbled and I was like oh shit and then took a
• 46:05
  couple years outward, couple she jobs, whatever, save it load
• 46:08
  their little bit of money and then will do it again.
• 46:11
  Boom, rejection waiting. This for our again dude.
• 46:15
  And then one day I called up our four times and I was like this
• 46:19
  is the second time you give me to wait and it's because it got
• 46:20
  rejected from Lambda in the first time around auditioning
• 46:23
  and then weightless for our never heard anything back for a
• 46:25
  couple years and then auditioned again.
• 46:27
  And I got the same thing again to projections Lambda Arts
• 46:29
  Lambda, where do I go? Lando coming buddy, a lot said
• 46:35
  an hour maybe yeah and I've got waiting this for our, a reject
• 46:40
  from the other two and so one day, I caught him at like four
• 46:42
  times and I ended up Ben Give me a place because it would not
• 46:44
  leave me alone. And so I've got to drama school
• 46:47
  and I was like I'm the fucking shit dude.
• 46:49
  I'm the best fucking actor in the world but get there.
• 46:51
  Sit in a class in the tip. Remember, TV film class, watched
• 46:55
  every single one of those actors in my class, get up and blow me
• 46:57
  away. And I was like Bro, IMA fraud.
• 47:00
  That's when my to support started cropping up.
• 47:02
  I'm like, fuck humbled again and then this is the most amazing
• 47:06
  thing that's ever happened to me, kept.
• 47:07
  Don't get into humble tip. I'm getting telling, no, you're
• 47:09
  not doing this. No, your shit.
• 47:11
  Your grades that reflect your ability, like never got a first
• 47:14
  in any performance until I did my main role in third year.
• 47:17
  Got our first in a lot of my nan, performance-related
• 47:21
  assessment of stuff, but never got a single first, any my
• 47:23
  performances? My, it literally had one meeting
• 47:26
  with one of my head of acting. She brought me into the office
• 47:28
  because I've got a fuck. It was after a fucking formers
• 47:30
  mine and I thought killed it and she's like, what the fuck was
• 47:33
  that your foot? There's a worst fucking thing
• 47:35
  I've ever seen. You do you're acting in a
• 47:37
  bubble, you wasn't fucking listed.
• 47:38
  It's a bit brutal. I'm telling you now, I needed
• 47:41
  it. I needed to get.
• 47:42
  Humbled, I needed to get, brought down to earth, and then
• 47:44
  boom. Leave drama school, two years of
• 47:46
  rejection. Humbled humbled.
• 47:49
  Humbled constantly getting told no.
• 47:52
  And again, it messed me up but in hindsight it was the best
• 47:58
  thing for Only because I went into this industry with the
• 48:01
  attitude of thinking, I'm going to get everything I want because
• 48:04
  I'm James and I'm sick, and I want it more than anything.
• 48:07
  So, therefore I'm deserved it. I mowed it and I'll get it and I
• 48:11
  haven't had it and I know I'm 26 and I'm young but I've been
• 48:14
  doing it since I Was Eighteen. That's eight years where I've
• 48:16
  had rejection. And I've been making content
• 48:19
  since I was 12, and I've had nothing, but I've done gaming
• 48:22
  content, vlogging, travel videos.
• 48:27
  What else? Fitness videos because I Trying
• 48:29
  to be a personal trainer for a year.
• 48:31
  I don't even fit. Nothing ever work for me.
• 48:33
  And I was constantly getting humbled and I think regardless
• 48:38
  if I'm 26 so you're 29 or whatever these rejections
• 48:43
  depending on how you look at it. We'll just go towards the
• 48:47
  journey, bro. And in my head I think I always
• 48:50
  think about what could what Cold Storage would I have to talk
• 48:53
  about on The Graham Norton. If I ever got on The Graham
• 48:56
  Norton, yes, but if it's like, I got everything I wanted to 18 to
• 49:01
  21. Yeah I'd be fucked.
• 49:03
  I'd have have nothing to talk about.
• 49:05
  I'd be, I'd be, I'd be as such a different person and I wouldn't
• 49:10
  have any self-awareness, maybe I would.
• 49:12
  I don't know because it's not the journey I've had, but I'm
• 49:15
  really grateful in a weird way for the journey that I've had
• 49:18
  and where I come from as well, I'm a little cancers that a boy
• 49:20
  to and but during that whole process, I was never grateful
• 49:25
  and I was never like I was never aware of the positive influence
• 49:29
  it would have On me as a man. Now, I'm 26, I want a thick
• 49:34
  mustache. I've got an acting job, you
• 49:36
  know? I'm a man.
• 49:37
  Now, I've got a hairy chest that I never fought you know?
• 49:40
  And I'm so grateful for getting rejected.
• 49:43
  Four for four since I was 20 because I went no since I was
• 49:47
  18. Now, I don't know when it was 19
• 49:48
  when I had my first audition at drama school.
• 49:50
  I mean, I was 19. You turning 20, I must have been
• 49:53
  or yeah, 18 turning 19, sorry. And I'm like since I've faced
• 49:58
  nothing but rejection until at the only exceptions are got was
• 50:00
  at drama school when I eventually got in and had the
• 50:03
  big threats and I mean, and up until this point now of getting
• 50:06
  this job, and I think it's It's just, yeah.
• 50:11
  Enhance our I want to tell everyone, that told me no, but I
• 50:15
  love him because he's helped me as a human being grow, not as an
• 50:18
  actor, but as human being, but otherwise, if I'd got given
• 50:21
  everything that I have been, I have been an absolute also.
• 50:23
  I think, but so arrogant. So, like, Yaya.
• 50:26
  So I'm James, you know, the guy that I play on those videos If
• 50:30
  you ever watch them, when I get emotional Street, that's that's
• 50:33
  who I'd probably be, you know? And I'm so grateful for it, and
• 50:37
  I think if I could scream that in the face of any young actor,
• 50:40
  That keeps getting told no to things don't give up and
• 50:45
  appreciate when they say no because you need to use it to
• 50:49
  your advantage, grow from it, reflect on it.
• 50:51
  And also maybe practice acting a little bit.
• 50:54
  When I'm joking, you don't need to do that because it doesn't
• 50:56
  come down to your ability, comes down to whether or not you're
• 50:58
  right or wrong for the role. Wow, there's a lion The greatest
• 51:10
  cause I'm always in my own world.
• 51:12
  You know. People around me and none of my
• 51:13
  friends at home are actors. My girlfriends, are not an
• 51:15
  actor, you know. It's, it's hard to get this
• 51:19
  passion out because otherwise I'll just be talking to the four
• 51:22
  walls. Do you feel like you have a
• 51:24
  quite a positive support network then look around you as everyone
• 51:27
  kind of happy that you're an actor?
• 51:29
  Yeah, yeah. Nobody.
• 51:31
  I've never like, I'm lucky with my family that like, if I chose
• 51:34
  to do whatever I want to do, You know, nobody would ever tell me
• 51:39
  not to unless it was a bad thing like and I've, you know, I've
• 51:42
  always had that support. I wouldn't be able to go to
• 51:43
  drama school. If it wasn't for my family,
• 51:45
  breaking their back, we had to fundraise loads, I had six weeks
• 51:49
  at the side six weeks to raise seven half thousand pounds.
• 51:52
  I had to be brutally honest, about my finances.
• 51:55
  We don't have any money where I come from back home, we're in
• 51:58
  the system, I'm a goblin class the state from the broker is 14.
• 52:03
  So, we owned our house back then, but then, Mom, took all of
• 52:06
  us. I'm not sitting in system sent,
• 52:09
  so I have no money, but I work two jobs with a at 3,000 pounds
• 52:12
  Savings in my, in my savings myself, I paid my side.
• 52:15
  That's so that brings it down to what for 4,500 to raise.
• 52:19
  I raised, we collectively raise 1,700 quid with doing.
• 52:24
  If we did a fundraising day, I did a sponsored leg waxing.
• 52:27
  I've got loads of gifts from all the independent businesses to
• 52:30
  sponsor it. I've got the independent
• 52:32
  businesses to sponsor gifts. That we can ruffle off and then
• 52:38
  I sold my car to. As I do nice Volkswagen, I sold
• 52:42
  a got a little Polo, which I fucking loved and I still
• 52:46
  missing this day, this back in 2017.
• 52:47
  So my car and then we took 2,000 quid on a credit card and paid
• 52:53
  that back every month like under quit every month.
• 52:55
  Lot for years. To pave my first year at drama
• 52:59
  school. So yes to answer your question
• 53:01
  here in the long run in the long way.
• 53:03
  I do have a really incredible support system and I've always
• 53:06
  been really I've always been supported in that sense because
• 53:10
  in second and third year, I got a scholarship when I was a drama
• 53:12
  school. So luckily I didn't have to pay
• 53:13
  for the second or third year. I was out of in fact I wouldn't
• 53:15
  have thought I wouldn't be able to pay in order to be kicked out
• 53:17
  and then I didn't plan Beyond first year I just planned get my
• 53:21
  first year money down. I did it all in six weeks.
• 53:23
  Me my family and I've got there and I wasn't right that sorted.
• 53:28
  Don't even think about second version and luckily, when second
• 53:30
  you came around, I got a phone call from someone in the office
• 53:32
  drama school. Nella come in.
• 53:34
  I was actually skateboarding home.
• 53:35
  They like turn around come in when in there.
• 53:37
  Will I would like to give you a lot to offer you a scholarship.
• 53:40
  It's a lovely. I didn't have to get enough to
• 53:43
  do it all over again. The second or third year, so
• 53:45
  yeah, I do rose. I my girlfriend's mad support to
• 53:48
  man like doesn't matter what content I make cringe you're not
• 53:52
  because she I think she's smart enough to know it's ironic.
• 53:54
  Most of the time she's happy to film stuff.
• 53:57
  Happy to come up with ideas for me, film.
• 53:59
  It support me in any way and that is invaluable my opinion
• 54:04
  behind every strong man behind every man, there is a strong
• 54:08
  woman and she's actually my backbone of not known each
• 54:11
  other. We've only known each other
• 54:11
  since January this year, but we'll know.
• 54:13
  First met me. Honestly, when we first met it
• 54:16
  was like we were best mates. We knew each other our whole
• 54:18
  life. Seriously, we clicked so well
• 54:20
  and since then she's been my like spine, that holds me up the
• 54:25
  center's, me, when my mind, Lose my mind because I have so much
• 54:29
  going on. It's like, well, I was on the
• 54:32
  phone with her yesterday like trying to figure out the
• 54:34
  self-employment stuff Iraq. Since my first job was not done
• 54:36
  it yet. You know, and I'm worried about
• 54:39
  tax. I'm worried about finances.
• 54:41
  I'm worried about a structure that I'm worried.
• 54:42
  I've got 15 emails in my that I haven't replied to with Contour
• 54:47
  pram, stuck in that. And I'm starting this job and
• 54:51
  I'm all I'm doing is sat in this room prepping my lines and do my
• 54:53
  coat stuff and it's just speak to her.
• 54:56
  Boom sent Has everything. Wow.
• 54:59
  And so yes I do. I'm very lucky in that sense I
• 55:02
  guess and then love to be a person I do.
• 55:05
  That's all that's awesome. That's really really awesome
• 55:08
  really happy for you man. Okay.
• 55:10
  Takes it takes it took a lot. Like I said I was alone for four
• 55:13
  years. It was in the same here.
• 55:14
  I think, I think I've been single since Oh God, before five
• 55:20
  years. Yeah I think in the right one,
• 55:24
  when you the right one will Will happen so unexpectedly.
• 55:29
  They will the amount the amount of clicks that will happen.
• 55:33
  How did you guys meet? But funny story was back in
• 55:37
  August. Last year, when my first ever
• 55:38
  video will take you went viral. I got stood up on a date.
• 55:40
  So I made a quick video saying, who is this guy up?
• 55:44
  What the fuck. So she organized it.
• 55:52
  Anyway, I got stood up from a go on hinge and then I made a video
• 55:55
  and I'm so there could be some people that watch Is it go?
• 55:57
  That's what what what that's what happened.
• 56:01
  That's what basically I supposed to happen when I made that video
• 56:03
  dollar. There's a lot of people like
• 56:04
  what the fuck happened? I think I saw some that video
• 56:06
  actually. I think I have a vague memory of
• 56:08
  this. Yeah.
• 56:09
  It's just that Southbank. Um, and then one of the comments
• 56:11
  was like, yeah, red flag. She wanted to meet you at South
• 56:13
  Bank and I was up for I had no idea.
• 56:15
  I just want to go but luckily, luckily I got stood up because
• 56:17
  account that video came up the coast for you page.
• 56:19
  Then she just followed me back then and then a few months
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  later, she messes she's a photographer.
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  She messaged me. And she was like, hey, I'd love
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  to see your photos based. Ali and we met, she came to my
• 56:30
  work where I was working and she walked in and she was, we said
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  about 1:00, we close our close it to a close after two.
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  It was the last one she wasn't there.
• 56:40
  So I guess that goes one coming in and then she walked in and I
• 56:43
  was sat down and I looked up and I was like holy, who the fuck is
• 56:46
  that? She's so hot and we didn't say
• 56:49
  anything to this, but I thought she was a customer and then
• 56:51
  she's looked at me with the baddest attitude like she was
• 56:53
  like, it's cold and I was like, wow.
• 56:56
  Love is all about status. I don't know what it was, but
• 56:59
  that attitude and like, her the way she just, I don't know.
• 57:04
  I was immediately like my whole brain switched.
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  It was like, it was like instant.
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  And then we went, I closed up attracted.
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  We went down for some pizza at 2:00 in Broadway and then
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  literally, the rest is history like well, the movie honestly.
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  Yeah, man. And then we took some pictures
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  week. We went and took some pictures
• 57:23
  as well. And there's literally, there's a
• 57:26
  series of four photos stand outside of st.
• 57:28
  Paul's Cathedral where I was thinking.
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  I remember the thought process of my head because every time I
• 57:33
  better go, what I was being, you know, in my head about I don't
• 57:37
  really, I'm not sure if I'm in the right place to have a
• 57:39
  girlfriend started and blah blah blah and I was thinking those
• 57:42
  same thoughts when I met her and we'll take these photos.
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  And literally, you can see the fort process where I had that.
• 57:47
  For I thought about it, I changed my mind and I've decided
• 57:53
  it's like, it's like sad face. Neutral face.
• 57:55
  Happy face in love face when I decided that I was, like, I'm
• 57:58
  doing that with this girl, there's no way I'm doing that.
• 58:01
  Lets go. And then after stood opposed one
• 58:02
  up and kissed her, and I was like, you know what, I really,
• 58:04
  really like you and I'm sorry. I've said some stupid stuff like
• 58:07
  I don't think I want to get girlfriend blockers.
• 58:10
  The fuck. How did I know she wanted a
• 58:11
  boyfriend for all? I knew she just wanted to take
• 58:13
  photos me, you know. So why am I arrogant enough to
• 58:15
  think that she even want? You know, when I was, I'm sorry
• 58:18
  I said a lot of stupid shit, but I really like, actually really
• 58:21
  like here and then boom, we've Has been my best mates and
• 58:25
  Inseparable since and I think I think it helps me a lot when it
• 58:31
  comes to create the stock as well because she's just really
• 58:35
  supportive. And yeah I think it's I think is
• 58:39
  really nice. That's awesome, man.
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  It gives me hope. I'm sure it will give a lot of
• 58:44
  other people. Hope.
• 58:45
  I mean I'm in this mindset right now where I kind of play a game
• 58:50
  with myself any girl that I'm into Like almost definitely has
• 58:57
  boyfriend. I don't how he is that what you
• 59:01
  think? Because I'm always wore, it's
• 59:04
  amazing. It's like a superpower is fine
• 59:07
  because I'm not trust me guys. I'm not bitter about it.
• 59:09
  Like it was a point where I was because, you know, we're human
• 59:13
  and we have feelings and a lot of like, sometimes there are
• 59:16
  times when I've spoken to people and it's just, you know, it
• 59:19
  can't work for whatever reason or they just live miles,
• 59:22
  thousands of miles away. But, When it's someone that's
• 59:24
  like actually around like and it would be doable sort of thing.
• 59:28
  It's always that. And I'm like huh?
• 59:32
  I wonder what an honor. Yeah, I remember one time there
• 59:34
  was a particular girl that I didn't even ask her out.
• 59:36
  I just I just slipped and I was just like, you have a boyfriend,
• 59:40
  don't you? She's like yeah.
• 59:43
  How'd you know? And I was just like by, I just
• 59:45
  know, I always know that my God, it's so loose.
• 59:52
  I got fish earrings. Sticks.
• 59:53
  If you're saying real, surely actual boyfriend?
• 59:56
  Yeah, no. It's not even like a sad thing
• 59:57
  is actually a lot is Bittersweet bit.
• 1:00:00
  Like, you know, when you're in a, you see that watch a movie
• 1:00:02
  and it's like someone who's kind of like well my life's work
• 1:00:06
  drink a beer but like, it's not kind of, it's not depressed,
• 1:00:09
  either. It's kind of like a Midway
• 1:00:11
  point, you know? Yeah.
• 1:00:13
  Because my God, yeah, I use like chasing my goals as a way of,
• 1:00:17
  like, you know, getting away instead of like sitting and
• 1:00:20
  drinking and feeling. Sorry for myself, I just work my
• 1:00:22
  ass off instead. And it doesn't exactly work, but
• 1:00:26
  it at least takes your mind off things.
• 1:00:28
  So, you know, it's literally it's better than sinking a point
• 1:00:32
  or yeah, you know, but going on, developing some kind of like,
• 1:00:36
  you know, addiction that is - you're out.
• 1:00:39
  There's, you know, there's worse things in life than being
• 1:00:41
  addicted to working. That's for sure.
• 1:00:43
  I think if you can channel that energy into your work, or into
• 1:00:47
  exercise or anything that's productive, and proactive, then
• 1:00:50
  you're not doing your body and mind of the service whereas The
• 1:00:53
  problems come when you use that bad stuff in life, to excuse
• 1:00:58
  your drug and alcohol abuse or sign.
• 1:01:00
  For example, at that will suffice really bad for you.
• 1:01:02
  So yeah, I think yeah, he is long in my head.
• 1:01:05
  I just think use everything as fuel, hmm.
• 1:01:08
  When it comes to work, you said so many things for out this show
• 1:01:12
  that just have got me thinking like it's just it's the
• 1:01:15
  Highlight Reel of inspirational quotes.
• 1:01:17
  I love it. So a couple of we are in Coca
• 1:01:21
  record going on. I've got a couple of quick fire
• 1:01:25
  questions for you totally unrelated to what we spoken
• 1:01:27
  about by our school, my guests, these questions.
• 1:01:30
  So, I'm just intrigued to get what you, what you have to say
• 1:01:34
  on these questions. What is happiness to you?
• 1:01:40
  Waking up and doing everything you want to do every single day.
• 1:01:44
  Exactly what you want to do. Waking up and doing it because
• 1:01:48
  if you don't and born in it, know what true happiness is
• 1:01:53
  having having for me, is having how do I, how do I word it in a
• 1:01:58
  very inspirational? Wait just having my girl by my
• 1:02:01
  side that is bad. Is this man?
• 1:02:04
  Sorry, not bad as man. That's my true happiness.
• 1:02:06
  They just said well how it feels right for you?
• 1:02:08
  May then have to worry about saying it inspirational way I
• 1:02:11
  always thought like no seriously that the best way to say things
• 1:02:14
  is always Just straight from the heart.
• 1:02:16
  It can't be any better than that.
• 1:02:17
  You know, true, true. True happiness for me.
• 1:02:21
  Anyway, is doing what I love every day and spending that time
• 1:02:26
  with my girlfriend as much as I possibly can.
• 1:02:28
  And that's that's when I feel true.
• 1:02:30
  Happiness, awesome. What's the best advice you've
• 1:02:34
  ever received? I think, maybe.
• 1:02:47
  Oh yeah, it's really simple. Actually, I worked with the
• 1:02:49
  works. With a guy called John link
• 1:02:50
  who's a legend of the industry. He's like a, he's an older guy.
• 1:02:54
  Now, I did 12 not with him at drama school and he came in and
• 1:02:57
  did a lot of acting technique. I've literally got a quote of
• 1:02:59
  his tattooed on my bicep and he's been the best advice I ever
• 1:03:03
  received. Was to keep on dancing.
• 1:03:06
  You can't really see it because probably flipped, but yeah, keep
• 1:03:09
  on dancing to backstory. That is, when you're going
• 1:03:13
  through the stuff that we talked about today, Action and misery
• 1:03:17
  and comparison and bitterness and jealousy was bad.
• 1:03:23
  Toxic things. When your associate it,
• 1:03:25
  sometimes with your journey in the industry, is you just have
• 1:03:28
  to remind yourself to keep on dancing.
• 1:03:31
  It's like, it's a metaphor for keep on.
• 1:03:32
  Keep on going, don't give up. I love it.
• 1:03:35
  I love it because it also implies the kind of, which I
• 1:03:38
  think is important. Yeah, it's like you own these
• 1:03:40
  days when you are feeling though or at your lowest, like,
• 1:03:43
  sometimes I'll have a day like that and I don't know, maybe a
• 1:03:46
  housemate will invite me out or go do something and you have fun
• 1:03:51
  or all you like for instance, what sometimes on a do my live
• 1:03:54
  streams, I'll do I'll be having a really crap time of it and I
• 1:03:57
  just feel like I'm just going to play some music today for, you
• 1:03:59
  know, for everyone or I'm just gonna chat and, you know, and
• 1:04:03
  through the course of that, those people make me feel better
• 1:04:05
  because we just, I'm there to entertain them to make them feel
• 1:04:08
  better, even though I'm feeling like really horrible inside.
• 1:04:11
  But like, I'm like it kind of weirdly makes me feel better by
• 1:04:14
  making them happy. And sometimes you hear those
• 1:04:16
  comments don't you like someone or say like oh hey I listen to
• 1:04:19
  your podcast and it got me for a hard time or I watch this video
• 1:04:22
  and it made me smile. And I'm just like, wow.
• 1:04:24
  Like I never thought about that. Like, here's me lost in my own
• 1:04:27
  mind thin. Crap about myself and then,
• 1:04:30
  yeah, it's really stuff that I'm doing is somehow making this
• 1:04:33
  person feel happy. Or I guess, my scrambled point
• 1:04:37
  is that they just try and look at the little things and make
• 1:04:42
  the most of them. And that, that make that sauce,
• 1:04:44
  your happiness, kind of thing. Remember remember that?
• 1:04:46
  And as you say, keep on dancing and it's all going.
• 1:04:49
  All right, yeah. What's the biggest life lesson
• 1:04:53
  you've learned so far? You're not owed anything.
• 1:05:01
  You're not owed anything regardless of how high you
• 1:05:06
  highly. You think of yourself.
• 1:05:08
  You are not put on this Earth in order to receive what you think
• 1:05:13
  you're owed. Hmm, sometimes people are lucky.
• 1:05:17
  Sometimes people are not lucky and If you Talent only gets you
• 1:05:26
  so far, right? If you have talent and raw
• 1:05:30
  fucking passion and drive, something will happen,
• 1:05:34
  regardless of how what that means, something will happen.
• 1:05:38
  I used to think, like, I was going back to point earlier,
• 1:05:40
  like, going to college. I'm like, yeah, I'm James there
• 1:05:43
  for my mom and dad broke up and I've had a shit time, therefore
• 1:05:46
  the universe owes me a film when I'm 26, that's not true.
• 1:05:51
  And that mentality is. Shammi Kapoor - so, my biggest
• 1:05:57
  life lesson is, is is is to realize as soon as possible that
• 1:06:02
  whatever Journey you're on, you're not owed anything
• 1:06:05
  regardless of how hard it's been for you.
• 1:06:07
  You own the bare minimum and that's fucking Being trip the
• 1:06:13
  same as the next man. You know, be have just that you
• 1:06:17
  do. The bare minimum where you know,
• 1:06:19
  you shouldn't have had to go for any kind of misery and hardship
• 1:06:22
  in a sense of like especially when it comes to Childhood.
• 1:06:25
  Hey I'm getting a bit convoluted here.
• 1:06:26
  So yeah you're not old anything work hard for what you want to
• 1:06:30
  achieve and don't give up. It's going to be hard.
• 1:06:36
  But yeah, you're not old enough him.
• 1:06:39
  Amazing stuff. Honestly, I don't think really,
• 1:06:42
  I really, really appreciate having.
• 1:06:44
  Had you on the show today? It's been met.
• 1:06:48
  That's why I need it. Yeah, probably to really fun
• 1:06:51
  talking about this shit because because it's helpful for me,
• 1:06:53
  too, because as much as I preach this shit, I'll talk, some, I
• 1:06:57
  can't get our bed, some days. Well, it's I have Crohn's
• 1:06:59
  disease to, which is a recent diagnosis for me.
• 1:07:02
  Got a good donors of a grand idea.
• 1:07:04
  I live on 25, 26 out of my life. I didn't know and how has it
• 1:07:07
  changed your life. Exactly.
• 1:07:10
  All is made my mess, affected me.
• 1:07:12
  Mentally more than anything has ever affected me before in my
• 1:07:14
  life because I didn't really understand it.
• 1:07:16
  Still don't really understand it.
• 1:07:17
  Have no idea what's really going on with it and I'm in a lot of
• 1:07:19
  pain all the time, but I think once I understand it more and I
• 1:07:24
  get on the right medication and I have the right treatment, it
• 1:07:27
  will be less of a worry in a strange me but dude, fuck me.
• 1:07:31
  I now the level of comparison has gone beyond my professional
• 1:07:35
  life and is now it's my personal life.
• 1:07:36
  Now you know I look at my friends, my girlfriend everybody
• 1:07:39
  that's around me, the can just drink whatever they want to
• 1:07:41
  drink, eat whatever they want to eat, go out and do whatever they
• 1:07:44
  want to do is shit. But again I've got just going to
• 1:07:49
  use it as fuel and if I can use my platform, It's kind of like
• 1:07:52
  be honest and talk about it then that's another positive that
• 1:07:55
  comes with it. But yeah it's not it's not been
• 1:07:59
  nice but it's not the end of the world know.
• 1:08:01
  It could be worse. Yes.
• 1:08:08
  Okay, final question, do you have any upcoming projects or
• 1:08:10
  some final thoughts? Do you like to show more
• 1:08:12
  lessons? Yes I'm doing.
• 1:08:14
  I'm playing inspector newcomen and the Strange Case of dr.
• 1:08:19
  Jekyll and mr. Hyde, a Dolby Theater from the
• 1:08:21
  September. The 30th of September to the
• 1:08:23
  22nd of October and then from the 26th of October 2012 for
• 1:08:29
  November, I am, we're doing the show in Horn Church, the Queen's
• 1:08:32
  theater. That's what some that's what's
• 1:08:35
  on the cards next and then Of that probably cover probably
• 1:08:41
  want to marry and elope with my girlfriend and disappearance of
• 1:08:45
  the Wilderness. Not even any final thoughts for
• 1:08:53
  listeners. Don't give up.
• 1:08:58
  And because you're only doing yourself a disservice and that
• 1:09:00
  little boy and little girl in your heart that wanted to do
• 1:09:03
  what they wanted to do. And I was kid.
• 1:09:05
  Just keep going, man, keep going, beautiful.
• 1:09:08
  Thank you so much for appearing on the show.
• 1:09:10
  James, you're always welcome on the show again.
• 1:09:12
  And yes, master, thank you met. Frank family has been an
• 1:09:16
  absolute pleasure and also, it's really nice to get the chat
• 1:09:18
  creatively and emerge, emotionally, and motivationally
• 1:09:21
  as well. And to all the listeners of the
• 1:09:24
  Christian re podcast. Thank you very much for
• 1:09:25
  listening and until next time. See you in the next one.