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New HPD Chief David Lazar on leadership, safety on our roads, and staffing · The One Oʻahu Podcast with Mayor Rick Blangiardi

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  Welcome to the One O'ahu podcast.
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  I'm your host, Brandi Higa, and today is Thursday, July 30th, 2026.
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  We're sitting down this week with one of the newest members to our City
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  and County of Honolulu Ohana.
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  In the Honolulu Police Department's newest chief of police, Chief David Lazar.
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  Chief, mahalo for making some time for me. Mahalo.
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  Thank you for having me.
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  Before we get into the really tough questions,
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  I want to get to know you, chief.
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  So tell us, where did you grow up?
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  Where did you go to school?
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  Where did your passion for a law enforcement begin all of that?
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  Yes, I I'm so.
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  I'm a fourth generation San Franciscan, born and raised.
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  Spend my whole life there and I my mom really inspired by my mom,
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  who was a 911 dispatcher and she one day said
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  I was an only child raised by the single, by a single mom.
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  And she said, there's some police officers taking kids
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  backpacking to you cemetery kind of as a mentorship program.
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  And she she signed me up for it.
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  And these officers became mentors to me.
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  They were the father that I never had in the household.
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  And it was really exciting for me.
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  I was a young child back then, maybe
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  11 or 12, and these officers
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  inspired me to to be good and to stay out of trouble.
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  And then I just wanted to be like them.
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  And I was led to policing and I was a a cadet, which is our version of explorer.
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  And I was A911 dispatcher like my mom
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  and then in 1991, I was hired by the San Francisco Police Department.
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  And so growing up in the department in San Francisco, tell us was the role
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  that you held right before this?
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  And how do you think that prepared you for the position you're in now?
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  The last three years in the San Francisco Police Department,
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  I was the assistant chief, which is the equivalent
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  of the deputy chief here in Honolulu, where I oversaw operations.
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  So I had about 80% of the department.
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  I was the number two in charge.
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  And that really prepared me for this moment.
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  But really, it wasn't just the last three years, it was the last 33.5 years.
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  And then if you think about my time before that, as a youth in the department and
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  going through all the programs that I now see that we have here in Honolulu,
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  my whole life has prepared me for this moment.
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  Everything that I've done, but especially in policing, having worked all over
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  the department in a similar size city as city and county, a city that's diverse,
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  maybe not surrounded four sides by water, but three sides by water.
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  And I really you know, the mayor talks about this as well.
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  When he talks with me.
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  My best years are ahead of me, not behind me.
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  And the the the heaviest lift
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  is, is happening now as I have entered this new position.
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  Yeah.
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  And you know, you spoke about this in a recent commission meeting.
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  You're already approaching those first 30 days.
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  But what do you think you've been able to accomplish?
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  What are you proud of in those first 30 days?
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  Well, we've been able to do a lot like in the first three weeks.
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  So, you know, a couple of things.
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  We moved around the assistant chiefs, we put them in the right positions.
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  In my opinion, to really be successful as an organization,
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  we I have as a matter of fact, I knew you were going to ask me
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  and I have this huge list really, you know, first starts off
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  with setting a culture that we are going to be a transparent culture.
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  We're going to be accountable to each other within the department
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  and to the public that I'm going to demonstrate leadership,
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  that we're going to make sure that we're doing things fair and equitable
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  within the department and really leading with integrity,
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  making sure that in all that we do, we're having honest dealings
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  and we're making sure that we're doing things the right way.
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  But the other couple of big things that have happened is,
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  you know, my listen, my listen and learn tours have been going very well.
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  Yesterday was my 16th visit and the beginning of my fourth week,
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  where I go all throughout the department speaking with officers,
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  sitting down with them.
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  SHOPO has been right there by my side.
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  As a matter of fact,
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  they they bring dinner in or they bring lunch and so we break bread
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  and then have those conversations about what the officers want to see in me
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  as chief or what the questions they have about the future of our department.
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  I have learned so much from our members.
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  I'm so grateful that I've been able to move forward on that.
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  And there's a whole other list of things as we move forward on technology.
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  As we talk about modernization.
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  I've had, pretty serious conversations about recruitment
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  and the hiring process and where are the bottlenecks and how can we move forward.
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  And so there's a whole list.
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  But my first 30 days, it hasn't even been 30 days.
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  And pretty much that first 30 list is done.
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  And I'm checking away some things in the 60 day column, in the 90 day column.
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  And, we're just getting started.
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  Yeah.
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  You mentioned showboat,
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  and we actually had Mayor Blangiardi on the podcast last week,
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  and he talked about a recent meeting he had with SHOPO.
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  Great reviews. And they love you.
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  You know, you mentioned that you break, but you meet with them often.
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  What's been the collaboration and the relationship, like with HGEA
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  with the civilian unions as well?
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  So today is a day I'm going to be reaching out to, to Randy,
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  the head of, that union,
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  because I want to have the same relationship that I have with ShOPo.
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  And some of the officers are looking at me sideways because they're saying,
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  we can't believe you're getting along so well with shoPo.
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  And my response is, is that good, healthy organizations,
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  the head of the departments get along well with the union.
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  When we I ask the question when we don't, who suffers while the officers do?
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  Because if we can't make forward progress and then who else suffers?
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  Well, it's the community because we're not as efficient as we can be.
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  We're not as good as we can be.
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  So I have really enjoyed my relationship with Joe Paul.
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  They are made up of great people who care about this department.
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  What we have in common is
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  we both care about our officers, and so we want each other to do well.
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  And this is truly the example of how it's supposed to be.
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  And, you know, I've said as time goes on, there may be times
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  where they may not agree or I may not agree,
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  but when you know each other and you have a relationship
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  and you've built trust, it's okay, because we could work it out.
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  We can compromise, we can come to some sort of agreement
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  in a very respectful way.
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  Yeah, but that's juggling a lot.
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  You know, not only do you have to be the chief,
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  so you're the, you know, subject matter expert in tactical training,
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  and you also kind of have to be like this kind of HR type of person.
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  And you have to get along with all the unions.
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  But what's been the hardest part of this position for you so far?
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  You know, you've actually stumped me because nothing's been difficult for me.
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  I've actually enjoyed every moment and I want to be here.
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  I want this job and I've said quite often that I don't have to have this job
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  and I don't need it, but I want it and I want it because I love policing
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  and I love officers and I love the community.
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  It's really where I feel lead and it's where my heart is
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  and there hasn't been any challenge.
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  I have to tell you that everyone has been so gracious,
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  they've been so welcoming, whether it's whether it's the executive staff,
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  the command staff, the officers on the road,
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  the professional staff, the community show Po, the mayor,
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  our commission, the elected officials, everyone has been so great to work with,
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  and I'm confident that it's going to be that way
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  in the months, in the years to come as we work together.
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  And for me, I just have to learn and listen.
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  I have to stay humble.
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  I don't know everything and I'm not the smartest in the room.
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  But when.
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  But I do know how to work with people, and I think that's the key to this position.
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  I think what a lot of folks saw in you that really could help us out
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  is what you've taken from San Francisco, because there's
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  a lot of similarities to major cities with similar issues.
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  San Francisco
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  historically, Florida with the top ten and the number of homeless individuals.
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  That situation has improved dramatically over the last couple of years.
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  But and especially the last, last year's point in time count.
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  But what do you think is working there, and how do you hope to replicate that
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  success here on Oahu?
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  What's
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  working there is that you have specially trained officers
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  who have a heart to help people, help the homeless.
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  Now, it doesn't mean we don't enforce the law
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  of course we hold people accountable.
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  But the key to success is when all the agencies that have a stake
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  in dealing with the homeless population are working well together.
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  One of the things I was able to do back in 2017 is develop the Healthy Streets
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  Operation Center, and that was really setting up
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  like an emergency command post, something you would do for a flood here on Oahu,
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  where all the stakeholders are in the room every day collaborating,
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  making decisions about where we need to be deployed, who
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  we need to help today, who we need to get into, into shelter
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  and that collaboration when we're not in silos works very well.
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  I am pleased to report that that here,
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  under our mayor's leadership, that same collaboration is taking place.
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  I have my we have our weekly meeting regarding the homeless.
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  We're coordinating, we're collaborating.
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  We have to keep at it. We can't let up.
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  We have to help people that need help on the streets.
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  We need to hold them accountable.
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  We need to make sure that we're safe as a community.
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  Yeah.
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  You know, another difficult issue here.
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  it's been a deadly couple weeks on our roadways.
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  Four traffic deaths so far just this month with kids set to go back to school
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  as early as next week. Really?
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  And it's easy to tell people, you know, please slow down, put your devices
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  down, don't text.
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  But it's really hard to influence behavior.
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  So what do we do here when it comes to influencing both drivers and pedestrians?
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  Really, this is a big part of what we do
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  as police officers and as for public safety.
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  So yes, it's there's been 25 fatalities year to date.
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  That's 25 way too many.
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  And we are around the 40s at this point.
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  Last year, way too much.
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  We need to get to zero that have the vision of Vision Zero.
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  We need to be thinking in terms of we're going to have zero fatalities
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  on our island and and push through pretty hard.
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  That is accomplished by what I call the three E's.
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  It's education, it's enforcement and it's engineering.
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  So first, with education, safer roads together, I believe
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  that it's been effective.
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  The people have seen us out there with the community and the signs and all that.
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  We have done a great job to educate the community,
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  social media through our public affairs office, in our schools.
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  When our officers are in schools, we will continue to push hard
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  to remind everyone to slow down and be safe.
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  When we do an analysis, it's mostly speeding.
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  That's what's causing this.
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  And you know you have driving under the influence of alcohol and drugs.
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  Some cases they were following too close.
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  That's also speeding.
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  In other cases it's jaywalking.
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  It's the pedestrian who's not patient who wants to just crossing the road.
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  If you look at Farrington, it's very dark.
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  I came through there the other night from nanakuli and it's pretty dark there.
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  So we have to continue to educate.
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  Enforcement needs to be very specific it's not pulling over someone with a tail
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  light out. It's what are the what are the five.
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  Let's focus on the five causes five violations
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  that are causing these collisions.
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  And let's focus in on enforcing those.
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  And let's be very strategic using data to say where is the high impact corridors?
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  Okay. We're going to enforce in those areas that'll bring it down.
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  And then the third item
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  engineering is working with the Department of Transportation.
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  Do do we need to add lighting.
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  Do we need to add signage.
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  You know when I see some of these crosswalks
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  you should be able to press a button and the crosswalk lights up
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  so that you can cross, especially in those areas that are dark.
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  That's what I noticed Saturday night, traveling through
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  some of the areas up on the west side.
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  Yeah, so we got to get we got to get good and we have to get better.
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  And we as a department have to be laser
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  focused on this issue and be very strategic.
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  Going back to San Francisco,
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  San Francisco saw some, concealed carry laws change a few years back.
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  And I'm not sure if that led to maybe more folks trying to get permits.
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  But with our gun laws changing here on all here in Hawaii,
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  how does that change the posture of the department, or does it?
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  Well, it first of all adds to our workload, and we have a lot going on.
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  And now we have to dedicate, technology.
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  We have to dedicate staffing to go through the permit process.
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  We have to follow the law.
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  We have to be in compliance
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  with what the what the what the courts have requested us to do.
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  And our community has to be safe.
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  And we are issuing gun permits.
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  Not a lot, but they're they're they're they're trickling in every day.
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  And I'm signing these, these documents as they come through.
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  And those that are carrying concealed weapons, they have to be very mindful
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  that it is a very rare circumstances, if any, when that gun
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  comes out of their holster and we as police officers have to be,
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  especially vigilant to that situation, because usually when we encounter people
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  that are armed, we're usually in the mindset that could be
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  someone that is up to no good, and we have to use all our tactics.
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  But society has definitely changed.
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  And I saw it from San Francisco, where
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  for the first 31 years I was in the department,
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  we issued one permit
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  to like a judge or tool, like a general of the army or something.
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  And then all of a sudden the floodgates opened up.
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  So we have to be mindful of that.
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  But we have to follow the law and do do what we're supposed to do.
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  And if the law said donation, we wouldn't issue them.
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  So that's really the situation that we're in.
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  Yeah.
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  You touched on this earlier about recruiting, but next week
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  you welcome some 37 new recruits to your department.
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  Where do we stand in terms
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  of needing more bodies here at HPD, or are we in pretty good shape?
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  We need to be way better shape.
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  We're in okay.
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  Shape, It's okay.
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  Well, I should say it's a little less than okay.
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  It's about a it's about a D plus C minus.
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  Why do you say that?
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  Because we have to make sure
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  that there are enough officers on the road to keep all their officers safe.
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  That is.
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  That's what keeps me up at night.
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  Our our people are our officers safe.
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  And we have to have enough staff.
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  And as I go around the department,
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  the continual theme is we don't have enough people investigating
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  crime or working on, working on the road or on patrol
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  or foot beats or whatever we're trying to do.
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  So before I give a lot of credit to our
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  HR department and our finance department before I got here,
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  the, the team was able
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  to put together 66 recruits that started a week ago.
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  That's the biggest class we've had in 12 years.
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  That's very exciting.
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  And of course, we have 37 that are graduating this Friday.
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  We are still a short in the in the four hundreds
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  so that the staffing is supposed to be 2177.
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  Nobody here can tell me where we got that number from.
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  Yeah, that's how many you need.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah. No one can tell me.
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  And some people say that that number has existed for a long time.
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  And I sit back and think, wow, that's before all those buildings
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  went up in district one, or that's before a couple A started growing.
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  And I think that number is probably around 2300 now.
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  I'm just guessing as well.
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  We haven't done the data analysis on that.
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  So we have to keep pushing and
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  we are going to do some exciting things to to make that happen.
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  We're going to go on a national search for recruits.
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  Of course we want local.
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  We're going to use technology for the, the process.
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  You know, I I'm, I'm really pushing us to say we should be able to hire in 90 days.
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  And I ask around, anybody here been hired in 90 days?
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  The answer's no.
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  So that's something different.
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  That would that's a goal that we can really push for.
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  And we we need to bring up our numbers.
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  And we have to do it fairly quickly.
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  As some of the very senior people around here tell me,
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  don't forget, chief, it's quality over quantity.
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  It's quality over quantity. We just don't want the numbers.
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  We want qualified people that can come in and do the job.
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  Yeah.
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  The other conversation I'm having with the Academy and others is
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  a 410 schedule, four days a week, ten hours a day
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  for even our recruits in the academy.
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  I think it's I think it's good because if you're going
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  to go to one department or another, well, we at least have the 410 here.
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  It's good for remediation Fridays to try to retain people,
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  and it's good because we're getting people used to shift work.
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  So I'm working on us changing the way we're thinking about some of this stuff.
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  Yeah.
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  And it's so interesting you keep saying, you know, and I met with this person,
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  I met with this person.
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  And, you know, we talked about the unions and you talked about this.
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  Listen and learn.
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  So, so you really go all around the island.
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  I know that, you know, as we record this, we're trying to work around.
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  Your schedule is pretty rigorous.
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  So how do you keep up?
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  I mean, you came into the room with a yogurt.
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  I know that your diet is you.
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  It sounds like you're pretty healthy, but what are you doing? What's the secret?
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  You work out every day or, the stamina must be insane.
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  I used to work out a lot, and now I have this job, so I have.
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  I have to I have to it's work life balance, but it's harmony.
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  Like, I have to
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  balance it out a little bit, you know, because I am married, right?
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  32 years.
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  I have a great marriage, so that's a priority.
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  And the job's a priority and house a priority.
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  But in the last few weeks, I essentially go home, I sleep,
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  I get up, I come back, and, I have a full schedule.
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  I meet with a lot of people.
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  I'm all over the island.
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  This is important as the new chief, especially for those that I have not met.
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  Met yet.
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  Yeah. Coming in from from another place.
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  It's important that I establish those relationships.
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  And so it's exciting.
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  Yeah. It's about a 12, 13 hour day.
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  This I'm on a 9 or 10 day run right now with no days off.
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  But I enjoy it.
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  And this is what I signed up for.
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  And my goodness.
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  All right, chief, while this podcast is about policy
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  issues and current events, it's also meant to help
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  get the public familiar with, the person that you are, the man you are.
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  And so I'm going to have
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  some I'm going to ask you right now
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  some would you rather questions, if that's all right.
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  Sounds great. I don't think I've ever answered any.
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  Would you rather question.
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  Is always a first.
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  So let's go.
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  All right.
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  Chief, if you could only eat one meal for an entire month, the same thing
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  every day, would you rather be stuck with ramen
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  or poke bowls?
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  I'll take ramen because it's very similar to pasta.
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  And I used to be a big pasta person.
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  Okay, I'll take ramen. Me too.
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  Actually, yeah. although poke is good, though.
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  Would you rather be stuck in your patrol vehicle
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  with a mongoose or a centipede
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  or the centipede?
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  I mean, why all mongooses?
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  Are they kind of wild if we're trapped in a car together?
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  Yeah. Why would I want to subject myself to that?
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  Good answer. I can put them in a little box.
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  I could go on with my day.
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  Good answer.
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  All right.
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  You sound like I had the wrong answer. I know I was.
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  Just try to see your why. Okay? Okay.
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  All right.
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  Would you rather make a commitment right now to finish the Honolulu
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  Marathon in December? No time limit or pass.
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  HPD recruit physical readiness assessment every month from now until December.
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  Oh, I'd like to finish the
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  HPD readiness assessment every month and then get ready for the marathon.
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  That would get me ready for the marathon.
• 19:25
  Yeah, that's true, but, you know, as police officers, we got to be prepared,
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  you know, and whether you have a day in the department or you're the chief,
• 19:33
  we got to stay. We got to stay ready. So.
• 19:35
  So yes, it sounds.
• 19:36
  That sounds exciting.
• 19:37
  You invited me to that, HPD recruitment readiness assessment.
• 19:41
  Yeah, well, maybe we'll have to film a video of you doing it.
• 19:44
  Oh, that'll be a sight to see. What is it?
• 19:45
  The 1.5 mile pushups, sit ups, 300 meter run in agility.
• 19:49
  I think you got this. Yeah, yeah.
• 19:51
  So when you do get your time back, chief,
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  what does what do workouts look like for you?
• 19:55
  Well, I want to focus in on some cardio.
• 19:58
  I was just looking about bringing my bike.
• 20:00
  My bicycle. I need to bring my bicycle over.
• 20:03
  So I like riding my my bike, I like running,
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  I like swimming, and I like doing a little bit of weightlifting.
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  So I just stay active.
• 20:12
  And I've been like that my whole life.
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  I just try to stay. Stay active. What do you.
• 20:16
  Thank you so much for your time. Is there anything that we missed?
• 20:21
  We covered a lot.
• 20:22
  And I just want to conclude by telling you how very grateful I am
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  to have been selected as the 13th chief of the Honolulu Police Department.
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  And one of the things
• 20:31
  I've been saying in the last week or so is I just want to do right by everyone and,
• 20:35
  want to work hard alongside the great men and women of this department.
• 20:41
  People on the continent have been asking me, well, how's HPD?
• 20:45
  And I say, HPD is a great department.
• 20:48
  And they say, well, why do you say that?
• 20:50
  And I say, because of the men and women that work here.
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  And people have a big heart and they're committed.
• 20:55
  They were born and raised here, their families here.
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  They want this island safe.
• 20:59
  And so I'm proud to work with them.
• 21:01
  And I'm and I'm thankful and I'm thankful to have the opportunity to,
• 21:06
  participate in your podcast and share a little bit of my thoughts.
• 21:08
  So so mahalo for that, chief.
• 21:10
  Thank you for your time. Yeah. Thank you.
• 21:12
  And next week we'll dive into those new ideas.
• 21:15
  Love them or hate them, the Hawaii driver's license and state IDs
• 21:18
  have a new look.
• 21:19
  We'll sit down with the director of the city's Department of Customer Services.
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  That's next week right here on the One Oahu Podcast.
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  Mahalo for listening. And until next time, Aloha.