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Talks to the incomparable Frazer Gregory about his choice of The Dominators (1/4) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  Welcome back to a hamster with a blunt penknife.
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  The Doctor Who commentary podcast Mr. Fraser Gregory.
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  Now, listen, I've got something I got to say to you before we
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  even start anything. Okay, I'll have taken your name
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  in vain on so many podcasts likely on so many tweets and
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  Facebook posts. I think people are starting to
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  think I do love you very much. So, this is just my child's to
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  say. At the beginning of what would
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  probably be the apotheosis of our commentary podcasts.
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  I absolutely love you. Welcome back to hamster or a
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  blunt penknife. Oh, well, I love you right back.
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  My friend, thank you again for having me back on.
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  It's so nice to talk to you again.
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  But now what did we start doing this thing?
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  Oliver, it was it was year ago. Wasn't it there?
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  Bring of last year and I think they've changed quite a lot for
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  use in silos, but you become a presence.
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  I wouldn't good. I don't even listen to it every
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  single person or podcasting with knows your name.
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  All right. There's a smile on their face.
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  I was talking to somebody last night who said you were the best
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  of Twitter. So don't even say to me, you
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  know, presents and a positive one at that.
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  Well, What I tried to do, you know, you it's so easy just to
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  go out there and be - and you know criticize and you know try
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  and get attention through being nasty about things but I just
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  find it a much nicer to be to get likes for like and stuff you
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  know to go out and say this is what I likes or let's talk about
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  that rather than you know this is what I don't like.
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  You know was a to be here. Do that said You get you don't
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  win through not liking something I said, great point, isn't it?
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  No, it's still nasty point. You don't win by by hitting on
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  chip, null or Jodie Whittaker or anything.
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  I got sore. Let's go out and in the words of
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  the lovely, Jeff, got or talk, the, who will of, and that's I
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  think I've taken from your example, you know, I started a
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  thread and I'd put, you know, all the Doctor Who stories into
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  that thing where you ask lots of questions, which you prefer this
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  one, or this one, this one or this one, and it gives you the
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  list, are you? Entire ranking of Doctor Who's
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  in reverse order and Marjorie, my last sort of hundred is crowd
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  for the Steven Moffat stories. You'd be surprised how many are
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  in my top 50 as well? You know, I thought it was
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  upside down that list but what I decided to do was actually just
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  every single story, even my least favorite, I will name the
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  things I like about. And it's been a bit of a stretch
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  with some of them are World lie. Yeah, I found something in every
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  single store. We even talk to the Widow and
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  the Wardrobe because that to me isn't that's crammed full of
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  lovely things to enjoy. Delicious, goodness.
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  Oh Frasier, can you hear that? Can you hear that noise?
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  What's that noise? It wasn't that it's our special
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  guest star for the episode. Oh, will you keep it down back
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  there, and he's coming. He's coming now.
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  I would like to introduce you to quickie the cork here is so
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  quick. I like honestly.
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  Okay, okay. So I quality of my little time
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  ago. All right.
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  Hey, he was, in fact, part of the story, we're going to talk
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  about today, but the doll students decided they did not
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  want him around anymore, this homicidal, you know, beatbox
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  guess where I picked him up. When did you pick them up and
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  the Portobello? Road, for a fiver?
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  Yeah, well, she did die. This way, I washed it this way.
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  All right. You must love that movie.
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  Surely. Oh, yes.
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  But not some broomsticks in a jar for the special effects were
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  surprisingly. Good Udall.
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  Sorry. For the first time this week.
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  It's held up really well, I think when we got Disney plus, I
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  found it. So I put it on for Luke and he
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  must have been hit or name at the time and he loved it.
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  He he's watched a quite a few times as well.
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  Yeah. It's safe to really stood up.
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  Anyway, quickie is been about my house.
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  Now I lost my cat a little while back so I neither It's all went
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  looking. It's been about the house, it
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  does a bit of vacuuming, you know, it keeps me company where
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  marks out and can you hear him right now?
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  Can you hear that? Bloody Racket and I thought,
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  what's he doing? Now that's very unpleasant,
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  isn't it is blast in the wall, he calls it art work.
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  Honestly they they're displaying one of his pieces in the Tate
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  modern. Right now, it's amazing or
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  listen. He's been on a lot of Adventures
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  between being on the planet of the Dulce.
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  Ins. Yep, let it cold, I don't kiss.
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  Yes. Thank you very much and I he is
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  going to inform us before and after the episodes, end of what
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  he's been up to, in the interim, I'll tell you what.
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  It's a law. He sounds like he's been around.
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  I don't know. He's a bit psychotic, I'm a bit
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  scared of it behind me there. Anyway.
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  But anyway, he's here, we're here we are.
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  Are you ready? I am born ready.
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  Ready for this story? We're talking about, I mean, I
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  introduced the cork we didn't even say.
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  It's the dominators, of course. Now look the dominators Fraser.
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  Okay. My relationship with the
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  dominators has changed considerably good since the old
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  times of Doc. Oh ho reviews where I think I
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  gave it a measly one out of ten. Was it a 1:1?
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  Don't know. And then UK 191 be praised yet
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  with me and Jack with that. Fabulous, duvet round your neck.
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  Oh yes. Dressed up like a double layer.
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  You think a bit quirky? We talk about this story.
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  Don't worry. Will you be quiet?
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  Honestly got make some drinks for us.
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  Go on. Yes, please quickly, what's
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  that? Oh, did you hear that?
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  What he just said, is this specimen broken?
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  It's froze. Our Gregory probably is yellow
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  honestly. Yeah, Beyond repair quickly.
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  Now. But so, so my relationship with
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  the dominators has changed because of you because well
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  because frankly, you're a force of nature with this story, all
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  right? And your extreme love of quarks,
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  quacks quacks, quacks quacks. You know what?
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  I'll let you have this one, okay?
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  Anything for them to whichever way you want to Cork walk.
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  I'm going with Quark because that's how it's changed.
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  All that social media often. People think you do love my
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  lover off as well. The amount you correct, his
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  pronunciation of everything. Oh, that's just funny, though.
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  Did you hear the way he said Lisa and Chang terracing?
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  Anyways, the dominators the dominators.
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  Tell me where did this love affair begin.
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  So back in the 90s, early 90s. When I was getting in the doctor
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  who have an You know, that the end of them call you were going
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  into the Wilderness years and still wanting to be a fan of
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  Doctor Who, you know, craving more to watch, you've got two
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  choices, you've got BBC repeats or you've got VHS at that point.
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  You've got our boots, but I didn't really get into those.
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  I got in a VHS. So, I remember the first Patrick
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  troughton story had to Sweden was the main rubber which was
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  repeated on the BBC and put the first Hope you adores.
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  Oh absolutely. Yes absolutely.
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  It was just you know it's a fantastic story that one just
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  the power of imagination and the power of what you can do with
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  that format of the show, when things go wrong, when all of a
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  sudden, you've got an episode that you need to fill in.
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  You've got no budget for no sets.
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  All you can do is have a tin of white paint and get some gold
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  robots out the cupboard. Vietnam, B.
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  And you've got a build an episode around that.
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  And let's look on. Why was that Fraser?
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  Well, it's because the episode before it was deemed to be over,
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  not have not enough material for the six parts.
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  It was allocated. I mean, I don't disagree with
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  that. You think you could not listen
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  to six? Someone could the man that was
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  coming through the ranks at the time, I've got no doubt would
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  have been able to Do this is 6 because his influence is, what?
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  Makes it feel the five? I feel that man is tempted.
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  X are well, I mean, he did it with Caesar death, didn't he?
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  He not that into shape. You did a bad job with the
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  walking's, you look at the war games, you know, he's got him
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  and Michael or are taking a six-part story, essentially, and
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  drag it in out a tent. But it's so well-plotted.
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  It's so just a master class in giving you a little It now and a
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  little bit late, and a little bit down the line.
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  So, I think if Terrance dicks had been in his pomp at the time
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  of making the story he could have, he could have made this
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  into six without breaking a sweat.
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  I really do and, but yes, he's just coming through the ranks
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  and there's some little scenes, which will come people never
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  episodes, which are sort of like ten sticks is very first
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  contributions to Doctor Who and it is just that Genius of the
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  man that we've talked about. I think in Ambassador as of
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  being able to pad. Store.
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  We bought do it so entertaining? Any, well, that you don't think
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  it's pad and you just think it's brilliant.
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  So, yes, all gone. But the other point, the the
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  first video chat support for Patrick troughton, was the
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  dominators. Someone watch that a couple of
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  times, in the, in the, in the 90s, I've got the main draw, but
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  obviously, about that as well and because I loved it, I got
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  the dominant as what the croutons as well.
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  So those were May sort of staple.
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  Troutman story's gone up until the started getting repeated on
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  UK gold. Wasn't that many because we
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  didn't have that many in The Archives of the time, but I
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  remember, you know, always enjoying it.
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  Loving it. Really good.
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  Entertaining story came on to Twitter, you know, 20 30 years
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  ago. Yeah.
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  And then there's what people think about the dominators.
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  No one likes it. Why is that awesome?
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  Especially doc? Oh ho yes.
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  But like I've Missed the point of I missed some Plumbing.
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  Let's go back and re-watch it on on the brick box and know.
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  It still stands up to Snuff signs up as a is a fantastic
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  episode, fantastic story. So I feel as if you read my
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  review now and then you specifically targeted me,
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  inveigled your way onto this podcast just about score changed
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  I'll do it. The end of this you know,
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  because you know what, I think I'd probably give it a seven or
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  an eight. Now absolutely had.
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  You know why, as well as I was watching earlier, I watch
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  episode 1 or 2 this morning. And we will talk about this man
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  a bit more but then often is got one of the great comedy turns in
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  it now and I ain't talking about Patrick troughton and Fraser
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  Hines. Oh no, I'm talking about that
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  fabulous. Scientist man in episode one who
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  takes everything in his stride. Oh good lord.
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  This is funnier that I thought we were alive.
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  It is I don't think my Maurice Perry.
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  Got the note that might be the problem.
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  I think he thinks he's directing a drama.
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  I think there's obviously this this troubled production.
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  There's its troubles behind the scenes with the As and scripted
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  that I was sure when at the time.
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  Yeah. You know there's obviously a, I
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  was propping up the bar. Yeah, yeah.
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  So and we ended it with a lock contention, didn't it?
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  Yeah, I mean ended under nerving Iseman and Henry Lincoln it
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  ended the relationship between those two in the BBC essentially
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  and ended the BBC's relationship with the clocks and the
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  potential marketing of fabulous creators like quickie here.
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  Icky here and only thought of some drinks.
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  Thank you very much quicker. That's very kind of you.
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  Hang on, head over there. What's that mean?
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  Oh, he's a skit. He says, as an older required,
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  what do me a favor? Yeah, train, your gun on Fraser
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  Gregory. And if he says anything that
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  does not marry what I think. Shoot him.
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  Lovely. Okay.
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  That's always oh, he's gonna run out of power, is only it very
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  possibly. Yeah, or we will log in this gag
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  to death. Okay, I think we should probably
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  go in. I thought I'm sure.
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  What is the man's name? That that song.
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  Is it bail on Babylon? Let's find out and and and his
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  glamorous assistant comes afterwards.
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  If there's a spin-off in the making the doctor goes to him.
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  Well, you know, we're from another planet from outer space
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  and he goes, oh, really! Well, I shall write that down in
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  my journal, get something that happens every day.
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  I was pissing myself at 4:00 in the morning.
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  I'll tell ya awesome. Did you hear how he said the
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  word robot No, except he talks like dr.
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  Zoidberg in Futurama and goes. Are you telling me?
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  There's some kind of robots. It's a very 1950s way of saying,
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  robot. Okay.
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  Well, look, we've intro'd, yep. I feel like we should watch.
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  That's what cookie gonna lie down.
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  All right, don't conserve your power.
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  All right, if you can't see him. Okay, in five.
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  Four, three, two, one, please. Yeah, it is absolutely
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  desperate, you know, to tell you about his adventures but he's
• 14:31
  got to wait till the end. He's going after we just need to
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  pass over his power for now, I'll tell you what, I phone
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  chargers. Don't work.
• 14:38
  After I put in every socket, but honestly, I put okey-dokey I got
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  a question for you straight away one because I got a feeling you
• 14:54
  prefer this to see the deaf. Absolutely, yeah, yeah.
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  Are you mad? What's not to love, you know,
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  straight in Aliens flying saucers and I'll tell you are.
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  One thing that did strike me was this was better executed than I
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  remember. It being, I do think there is a
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  very 1950s feel. But the see the deliberate.
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  Yeah. That I mean that's the beauty of
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  it. It's it's, it's the last hurrah
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  really of that. Type of story.
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  We'll have this one. We have the croutons and we have
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  space pirates in season 6 after that.
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  It's all what's that? What kind of looking back to
• 15:43
  science fiction of the Park? Yeah, that sort of that feel of,
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  you know like flying saucers and Little Green Men.
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  And cities made of steel and metal and whatnot.
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  After, after the season will go into season 7 which we both
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  adore, but it is very grounded and down-to-earth but it is
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  suddenly like in there now, isn't it?
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  Yes. As contemporary as it can
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  possibly be, but even when Pertwee goes into space, we
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  don't have the same sort of futuristic feel as this story
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  does. We don't have, you know, you go
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  to a colony in space and it's In the clip, it cursor Paladin is
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  Transylvania and space and Frontier and spirit is just look
• 16:29
  at my chrism, Transylvania and space.
• 16:31
  That is a fantastic way of describing cursor.
• 16:35
  Peloton this is why you're a you know, I think, you know your
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  Genius and then you're going to Hinchcliffe which again is all
• 16:42
  Gothic hmm. You know stylings you don't
• 16:45
  really get anything shiny in space.
• 16:47
  It again, until green Williams comes along but by that point it
• 16:49
  Is Star Wars a Yi and I there's ice.
• 16:54
  Shane, is it think there's possibly in the 80s?
• 16:57
  A couple of moments where they look back.
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  But I think time lash is a throwback to Old science
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  fiction. Yeah.
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  But yeah. You're right.
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  So this is the last stab of other.
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  What like be movie. Yeah, it's him.
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  I was talking to Tiffany other night about this in need
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  described as Flash Gordon. It really is Flash Gordon sort
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  of Buck Rogers, you know, what is it Lizzie?
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  It's the Saturday morning. You have to use in the cinema,
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  you know? They did those little shorts.
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  Yeah, I'm like, yeah. How will Babylon and can do get
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  out of this one in hoonah? Next week?
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  Another thrilling adventure of the dominators will they take on
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  the deadly quarks even down to the costumes as well?
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  Which everyone ridicules It is what it is.
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  It's, it's a costume, it's it's futuristic.
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  It's Spacey. I mean, I do look like they're
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  wearing curtains off the time and dresses.
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  Yeah. But hang on.
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  No. Wait.
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  Hang on. Who's to say in the future?
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  We're not going to wear those exactly, you know, exactly, it's
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  an alien planet, it's an alien culture.
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  That's what you need to convey on the screen and that's what
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  they're doing. So I can't believe I'm going to
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  be giving this so much positivity but I actually
• 18:18
  thought the band sell between this Bunch on Kelly's.
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  Amazing Adventure, was actually quite fun.
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  It is II. Don't believe him a students
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  because they all look about 30 and Carly looks about 50, even.
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  I think the actor is about though, because he's 50 in the
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  11th. Doctor 11th Hour.
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  Yes, he is. He's a, but this is the odd.
• 18:40
  It speaks to the Society of the Dawson's that, you know, these
• 18:44
  are things the cool kids, the rails.
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  Because well, it's eaten. Boys out there is out, isn't it?
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  Yeah, you know, it's colors. So, middle class.
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  It's still a bit shit. Yeah, actually, put the whole
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  societies like that, so you get a picture of this whole society.
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  As just being, you know, made of a bonus, Johnson, tape
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  characters, don't you fast terrified plan.
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  Exactly, Johnson's, exactly. Sort of planet with the boys
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  Johnson's, as planet of the Eaton's eaten kids call.
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  He's crushed, he's learned, please freezer.
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  Love that and they do the POV shot on the planet like Morris
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  Barry. Again, I will say there were
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  moments that I thought was surprisingly Dynamic the bit
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  where the quarks unseen at this point, stop blowing up the
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  spaceship and there's like, tracking shots across the Quarry
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  of things like that. No quite impressive but some of
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  his shooting is very theatrical. Yeah.
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  But this is Who a lot of it's very theatrical.
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  You know, is and it's, it's, you know, you're still in the studio
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  in a very small studio. So you haven't got, you know,
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  it's not really until like the next season.
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  When we get those big expansive sets, the way you can move
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  around and work your Wranglers and whatnot.
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  I think obviously some directors do do it better you know you
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  look good your work will credit seeds of death is is Michael
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  Ferguson common in and oh yeah work in a close-up work in a
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  work in the background always shooting through things here.
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  Yes. Also zooms he Silhouettes
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  things. I mean Ambassador left.
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  We talked about that does he has, he has things on different
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  levels or three sets of got steps of people can come down
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  and go up and then that was marvelous about is, you know,
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  subversion is Kelly things where he's going to, he's going to
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  calm these people out bit money, take him off to the, you know,
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  the island of death and not and try and you know, be able I
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  those ghost walks that you go on, you know, yet turned out to
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  be, no better, nothing about nothing.
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  And then obviously, the dominators have turned up with
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  the quarks and so it turns To a death-defying ride anyway.
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  He's great when he's on top of the game.
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  Yeah, everybody get down and they're running along like
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  really excited to see what that special effect when their faces
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  melt away. I know it's grizzly in it.
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  What is going on there? That's the special weapons
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  Quark. That's was click here by later.
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  You know. We'll see.
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  I've never, I mean, you know, I have had in Blast down a few
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  people since he's been here but you know, that's just the nmds
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  on Twitter or something out. He's got an algorithm so he can
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  find them and he goes off to their houses and melts their
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  faces wonderful. Oh, you know what?
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  I got the I've got the closed captions on at the moment, what
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  they call subtitles. Thank you, sir.
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  And he goes why I hate one of them's called White.
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  Yeah, well I was absolutely convinced today that this it was
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  the dominant again, Warhead, fire.
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  Sometimes I wonder sometimes on helps.
• 21:51
  It's these three characters. Are they go?
• 21:54
  There's that, I mean, that's something out of like threads or
• 21:59
  It's oh yeah. It's in a place where they're
• 22:03
  talking about radiation a lot. Yeah, it's sort of similar one
• 22:06
  of those radiator video or give me words out like, nuclear
• 22:10
  missile strike programs. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 22:14
  To show. Like the horror of what happens
• 22:16
  if we drop the bomb. Yeah.
• 22:18
  Oh my God, how we got this far in?
• 22:20
  So we haven't even talked about the to dominators because what I
• 22:23
  was going to say is that those three characters up Warhead and
• 22:27
  There's another one, another one, Dewar's unnamed for think
• 22:31
  it's Em. I'm a big one.
• 22:33
  Two three translates roughly as one, two and three in.
• 22:37
  Okay. Are you trying to tell me
• 22:39
  there's a bit more for behind this than what successful?
• 22:42
  Absolutely. Well, I don't, I want to talk a
• 22:44
  bit about the morality of this, as well, and the message,
• 22:48
  because I think there's more going on here than the B-movie
• 22:51
  Antics suggest. I'm just not sure.
• 22:54
  I like the message that is saying.
• 22:58
  Yeah, so the message I believe that he's been and Lincoln were
• 23:04
  intending was sort of attack on the hippie culture.
• 23:07
  Yeah, senior, where you hippies, you know, years of all well and
• 23:11
  good with your flower power in your piece of notebook.
• 23:15
  You know, when the big boys come in any way where you're going to
• 23:17
  be, you know, you're going to be stumped or stomped on a troubled
• 23:22
  on and this You're the man to sell and I don't forget those
• 23:27
  are real. Especially now, as a troughton
• 23:28
  story, we're being subversive. Yeah, and anarchic is the way to
• 23:33
  go. I mean, it's it's it does make
• 23:37
  the dolphins, really intestinal find an old, people are probably
• 23:41
  sitting at home going, what? But it makes their society
• 23:44
  really, really interesting for me that, you know, they are the
• 23:49
  Posh boys. The eaten crew.
• 23:51
  The planet is about as Johnson's.
• 23:54
  Which is a really good knowledge actually because they're
• 23:56
  useless. Essentially when this happened
• 23:59
  on the sequences in their City, when they're all sitting around,
• 24:02
  I want to talk about that because you know I've had a job
• 24:04
  where I've been in meetings like that where they just go around
• 24:06
  in circles and nothing ever gets done.
• 24:08
  You're having means about meetings, you know.
• 24:10
  Yeah, exactly. Exactly.
• 24:11
  But you know, it's it's not completely unrelatable or
• 24:15
  unbelievable. It's not like one of these high
• 24:19
  Concepts societies where you think that would never Evolve
• 24:24
  naturally serious things. You think you could get to a
• 24:28
  point where as a society you Embrace pacifism and indolence
• 24:32
  becomes the order of the day. Yeah, it's hubris.
• 24:36
  It's I sounds marvelous honestly sitting around on those lounges
• 24:39
  just chatting about stuff and not having to go to work.
• 24:42
  It would be in, that would be but that's what you know
• 24:45
  Lincoln. Here's what I see in his that's
• 24:47
  that's all very nice. But, you know, In the real
• 24:50
  world, there's nasty people in are going to come along and, you
• 24:53
  know, take things from you and bully you and you're not gonna
• 24:56
  be able to stand up for them if that's the way you go.
• 24:58
  But like I just don't think it lands very well.
• 25:01
  It's making the suggestion that they're just a nuisance, rather
• 25:04
  than like it like an effective Force for change.
• 25:09
  Yeah. Which they were cultured.
• 25:12
  It change. Its a six seasons due to that in
• 25:15
  inverted, commas, hippies. Exactly.
• 25:17
  I mean, where, where We're now in a society, which is a lot
• 25:20
  more for to thinking a lot more considerate of other people
• 25:23
  because of, you know, that progress that was made made back
• 25:28
  in the 60s and the 70s teii me to pull you away from this
• 25:31
  intelligent discussion to talk about something seizures.
• 25:34
  But absolutely love this. Ray gun in a minute.
• 25:37
  It's the same trick. They pull off in Tomb of the
• 25:39
  Cybermen, where the gun goes off.
• 25:41
  Yeah, and after walls on fire, yeah, I'm ready for it.
• 25:48
  Demolition Man. Oh wow.
• 25:52
  You know, when Wesley Snipes and Sylvester Stallone unfrozen in
• 25:57
  the go to the museum, he's like, Let's Get Some Guns.
• 26:00
  Well, where's doing a place? That there is guns.
• 26:01
  Now, it's in their lives easier. Yeah, show me the way guns and
• 26:05
  he's like, you know, she don't get to use the guns later on the
• 26:09
  Cork's, I can't remember. Yes.
• 26:10
  The do. What did I quickly?
• 26:11
  Didn't hear that. That good.
• 26:13
  So, he lost a lot of good friends that blow their heads
• 26:15
  off. In this story, you know?
• 26:17
  Still traumatized this bit in the Museum of the dressed people
• 26:22
  up as dummies. Are they supposed to be people
• 26:27
  or they're supposed to be dummies?
• 26:28
  I can never figure this out. The must be supposed to be
• 26:31
  dummies. I don't think the words actually
• 26:34
  go, as far as to say, right in this Society, there is the
• 26:38
  museum on it is cadavers. We have left cadavers in this
• 26:41
  house to show you the if I was an actor, okay?
• 26:45
  And I and the You know, they'd rather pay me to just sit here
• 26:50
  but but if you're a dummy, I think that's really effective
• 26:56
  when the camera swings around and they're all there in the
• 26:58
  anti-radiation suits. Yeah, absolutely.
• 27:02
  And there's your man Berlin but more.
• 27:05
  He's so wonderful. It's so amiable.
• 27:07
  That's what I like about and you know, like what is it about?
• 27:13
  Exposition for a second or a so, don't get excited.
• 27:16
  He's like can do you. Tell the doctor and Jamie and
• 27:20
  Zoe all about the, you know, the history of the island of death
• 27:24
  and why we don't come here anymore.
• 27:25
  And this time really well because she's struggling to get
• 27:28
  it all out and he's kind of chipping in and helping her in a
• 27:31
  really sweet way. And it's just a nice way of
• 27:33
  adding a bit of character. What could, what could just be
• 27:35
  like in time lash? Yeah, just be an exposition
• 27:38
  dump, you know, it would be, you will be, but did you really try
• 27:43
  to answer them what? Oh, my beautiful cocoa wet. oh
• 27:51
  yeah, so what he does is, so it's just so watchable is
• 27:59
  Annie's, I think, you know, For that, you know, not willing
• 28:06
  Partners well that the fact that it's the majority of the Patrick
• 28:09
  troughton stories that are missing from the archive is,
• 28:13
  it's such a shame because he's always doing something
• 28:15
  interesting to look at these such a visual actor.
• 28:19
  I said it a million times. You, you know, I am very
• 28:22
  grateful the animations. Oh yeah.
• 28:24
  You just don't get the Nuance in his facial performance.
• 28:27
  Yeah, it's based always doing something, isn't it?
• 28:30
  It's just liquid at times. And, you know, when you're done,
• 28:34
  Shocked faces or when he's got that grin on his face.
• 28:39
  You know, you'd like to see you. Just don't get that with with
• 28:42
  the animation forties that you're never going to.
• 28:44
  You're never gonna wake silver acting isn't the airtight lat, I
• 28:47
  love it. Yeah, it worries.
• 28:48
  I'm skipping for Rice into the story now and he's there and
• 28:51
  he's finding himself and looking very happy with himself from
• 28:54
  Jamie goes. Look okay.
• 28:56
  No, she's like, oh my what? Yes.
• 29:06
  That's a perfectly Splendid planets, you know, like normally
• 29:12
  we should be cautious this time. He's very relaxed.
• 29:15
  Yeah, well, this is, it says, you know, I've been here before
• 29:19
  I've done all that sort of mental projecting, because
• 29:24
  between the wheel and space and this story, The repeated, the
• 29:28
  evil of the Daleks. That's right.
• 29:30
  But they reference in the story. Yeah.
• 29:32
  Yeah. So at the end of the wheel and
• 29:33
  space, the doctor say, Well show you because do is hit on the
• 29:36
  target side. Well I'm sure your what how
• 29:37
  dangerous it is puts down on you know that leads into a pit with
• 29:41
  the evil of the Daleks. So when come out of this he's
• 29:44
  like, oh well, I'm really tired after doing all that mental.
• 29:46
  Projecting I am, I need a holiday?
• 29:48
  So with come to De Lucas because it's a lovely place.
• 29:51
  I've been to before blah blah blah, so he's not expecting any
• 29:54
  sort of danger and he was like, yeah well we'll take the another
• 29:57
  sort of the beaches and, you know, take the chair and the
• 29:59
  beach ball and whatnot. And it's really interesting
• 30:02
  because that's for me is a really strong.
• 30:04
  Wrong implication that the doctors actually steered the
• 30:06
  TARDIS. What for the first time?
• 30:10
  Yeah. But a doctors actually thought I
• 30:12
  want to go on holiday. So I'm going to go to the
• 30:13
  doctors because I know it's a lovely relaxing place.
• 30:16
  And he's actually steer the Tardis ever thought machine
• 30:20
  might be part of the TARDIS. So obviously it was too.
• 30:22
  If brain was in there doing all that, the Tardis was like, are
• 30:25
  we want to go somewhere restful? Let's go to don't kiss all that.
• 30:30
  You know what I said? Miserable-looking Quarry.
• 30:32
  Well it's you know it's beaches and it's sand Cliffs.
• 30:37
  We don't say nothing. I didn't hate it when tones,
• 30:40
  although I do think Barry new be set when we go to the city.
• 30:44
  It's suggesting like it is a painted.
• 30:46
  Yeah, Clough. And I'm gonna criticize that
• 30:49
  because we've had a lot of that in the 60s and a lot of it's
• 30:51
  very effective for what it's doing.
• 30:53
  But it's suggesting a very sort of majestic.
• 30:57
  It's a bit like the city of the mechanoids.
• 30:59
  Yo, yeah, we're layers and and monomials.
• 31:02
  And yeah, yeah, Glory 1950s. Very 1950s.
• 31:08
  Yeah, yeah, but that's back. When the future was, you know,
• 31:10
  they thought the future was going to be gleaming palaces and
• 31:13
  hover cars and yeah, foolishness, you know.
• 31:15
  Yeah, it was skip forward, two years and we're in Colony, in
• 31:19
  space. We're just down in the mud.
• 31:21
  You know. Yet what happened?
• 31:23
  Think we went into space, we landed on the moon and we
• 31:25
  realized actually this isn't going to be the case.
• 31:29
  You trying to suggest that in our imagination is better than
• 31:31
  reality. Unfortunately saw.
• 31:33
  Yes. What are you what I want to say?
• 31:36
  No. So at Canary Wharf recently and
• 31:39
  I was literally a monk's oldest skyscrapers.
• 31:41
  There, when I looked out, I felt as if I was in the planning of
• 31:44
  the dominators. It was like Space City every
• 31:46
  time. I looked out the window.
• 31:48
  Yeah, so I feel like on Earth we are, we are building it on
• 31:51
  racing. These, fantastic futuristic.
• 31:54
  Cityscapes I've done over going to see them in our space,
• 31:57
  though. No shame.
• 31:59
  I do not. But this is, this is why we have
• 32:02
  Doctor Who in the dominant us because we can then imagine Oh,
• 32:07
  and also as well, if this is a love letter to the 19 fit, I
• 32:13
  think that's something that's worth doing as well.
• 32:15
  You know, we'll do that. Now, what we do Nostalgia
• 32:17
  festivals, of doctor Doctor Who in the 60s, in the new series,
• 32:22
  you know? Absolutely.
• 32:25
  It's the sort of thing you can imagine Market is doing.
• 32:28
  I'll for sure. Yeah.
• 32:30
  Well think every episode he writes is a is allowed to Fester
• 32:33
  Doctor Who? Yeah.
• 32:34
  It's it's picking any other Pickin a concept, you know,
• 32:38
  giving you a lovely warm feeling about that, you know, be it,
• 32:43
  Victorian London, be it, Robin Hood, you know, all that sort of
• 32:50
  stuff. So this will be right in his
• 32:51
  wheelhouse is the be said, for more we go on their Mark rate as
• 32:54
  a wait, there's a book watch as types for Week. 1 kundu, can
• 32:57
  give us some it a little bit. FTS with shiny cities and little
• 33:02
  and chunky robots, you know, hit that would be right in his right
• 33:07
  in his wheelhouse, I think. So if the message of this is
• 33:11
  absolute anti hippie movement, I think where it gets a bit
• 33:17
  blurred is, then you should be showing the dose Ian's, surely
• 33:21
  as like the superior Force, but actually, they're just proved to
• 33:25
  be sort of bureaucrats it around nattering and are easily taken
• 33:30
  over. It's not the hippie, what the
• 33:32
  hell? No, they are.
• 33:33
  The hippies aren't they? All really hit me.
• 33:34
  So I think that's, that's the message is, you know, if you go
• 33:37
  down this route, if you want to be more peace and love and want
• 33:39
  you will end up with this Society full of young boys full
• 33:43
  of hubris where you know, you are Ultimately not going to be
• 33:49
  able to no matter how enlightened, you think because,
• 33:51
  you know, coming back over to Alan that.
• 33:54
  Oh, my favorite. Yeah.
• 33:57
  But you know, that scene where he's like, oh, I'll write that
• 33:59
  down in my notebook is still the same time.
• 34:02
  You kind of like you except in this very, very easily on any
• 34:06
  sense. What else could you be?
• 34:08
  There's no. Do you know what photos are
• 34:11
  going to try it in real life? Every time it's like shocking
• 34:13
  habits or someone tells me some gossip really a wash or at that
• 34:17
  round thing. Very much what's even better is
• 34:20
  when Carly comes in now, and he thinks he's been full, doesn't
• 34:25
  it? That is there just mates of
• 34:26
  colleagues that have come in with their back because our, oh,
• 34:30
  I see from outer space. Are you?
• 34:33
  He's very believe in or that point, you know, because because
• 34:36
  they logically, okay, I can't explain your how else you would
• 34:40
  be here to be in these strange clothes, and all the rest of it.
• 34:43
  Not know, not know about this island that everyone in the
• 34:46
  whole planet knows about We're teach it from a very early age
• 34:50
  not on us. All logic tells me, you must be
• 34:53
  telling the truth. Until I physically comes in his
• 34:54
  cigar. You have had his haven't yet
• 34:57
  trolley and then less is RAC. Lugging about rocks for the rest
• 35:04
  of the story and he does. He do it by the end?
• 35:06
  It does he get some? Yeah, I think episode for a
• 35:15
  quickie about that if he was the one I finished him off.
• 35:18
  Honestly, I explain it. I do, but dominate is thy right?
• 35:22
  And now don't get me wrong. I do think they're well
• 35:24
  performed, but they get a lot of sort of repetitive speeches, and
• 35:32
  I don't think they, like, is the idea then that this is the
• 35:34
  superior Force because they just natural as well.
• 35:39
  I mean, the do but, you know, the of coming to do a job, you
• 35:42
  know, they've detached from the main Fleet they've come to do a
• 35:45
  job, which is to, essentially, Really turn this planet into an
• 35:50
  s or garage a few Brands available, but that's the ignore
• 35:55
  their job. They have come, you know,
• 35:56
  they've got, they've got the quarks, the two of them.
• 35:58
  Right. It's going, you know, do you
• 36:01
  know, blow this planet opportunity into a radioactive
• 36:04
  Dumping Ground that we can just use to refuel the fleet as well
• 36:08
  as we pass through the sector and dominate other planets.
• 36:12
  So there's a lot of world-building that's got on
• 36:16
  there. There's a lot of Your suggestion
• 36:18
  behind that in your the Dominate, as our, this totally
• 36:23
  ruthless race, they will do exactly what the says on the
• 36:26
  tin. They're going to come to our
• 36:27
  planet and dominate it. Take what they want from it and
• 36:30
  then you know move on or while steering uses a slaves or
• 36:34
  whatever and so The risk that massive sort of like concept
• 36:42
  behind them. Which again is, is suggested
• 36:44
  really well cause it's never sort of like, infield, where is
• 36:47
  it at all? Don't say, you just have to kind
• 36:49
  of we get fed on TV. But Exposition it's all, it's
• 36:53
  all detail that sad. And, you know, classic who did a
• 36:55
  lot about, you had to sort of suggest the Epic on an intimate
• 37:00
  scale. Patrick troughton is looking a
• 37:02
  bit rough in that trial, he looks very thin, doesn't it?
• 37:04
  You see anyone wrong? I think it wasn't Patrick
• 37:06
  troughton would, but Look at that show they up the spaceship
• 37:10
  behind them. That was great.
• 37:12
  I thought that's a good perspective shot you know.
• 37:14
  Yeah, absolutely. It looks like and I really like
• 37:17
  this set you know I know we've got here very flat mountains in
• 37:20
  the background there yet but this to me feels like a fly is
• 37:25
  also from a 1950s B-movie. Yeah, we've Landing struts.
• 37:29
  It's a big circular thing. It's a sorcerer.
• 37:31
  You know, and it's got that sort of central column with the with
• 37:35
  the way, the go into the spaceship and I mean we can have
• 37:39
  an unlimited awful lot to say about Patrick troughton Fraser
• 37:42
  highs in episode 2. Oh God, yes.
• 37:44
  Where the comedy starts? Hissing and now.
• 37:47
  Well, there's there's the first shot of.
• 37:50
  Oh my God, the quarks, okay. I feel like we should save all
• 37:55
  our discussion for the design of the quarks and, and their
• 37:59
  effectiveness for episode 2, but this is accepted practice, isn't
• 38:05
  it? Suggests the Menace throughout?
• 38:08
  Episode 1. Yep.
• 38:09
  And then hit with a visual, The Monster at the ends.
• 38:13
  Is it an effective visual at the end?
• 38:16
  It is, it is it's really good because of your look.
• 38:19
  Again, we're talking about this is bit more dynamically directed
• 38:22
  than we thought in the past. If you look at that shot, it is
• 38:26
  the quarks appear on the mountain and some of the hill
• 38:30
  and toolbar Then appears in the middle of them in the camera
• 38:42
  Zooms in on the hello. Hello.
• 38:47
  I totally lost you there for a second.
• 38:48
  Oh. Say my, my, my internet is
• 38:51
  unstable happening for a long time, right?
• 38:55
  Any of what I was seeing was the way that shop is done.
• 38:58
  Is you've got the two quarks on this top of the hill, then are
• 39:04
  toolbar appears in the middle of them?
• 39:06
  You zoom in on the three of them and then you finish with the
• 39:08
  clothes. Sup of the quacks.
• 39:10
  That is a really effective reveal of, you know, this unseen
• 39:14
  Menace that has been, you know, obliterating people as McCall.
• 39:18
  You know, we've had that horrible sort of nuclear blast
• 39:22
  effect on on the female dulcian with, we've had the lemon peel,
• 39:27
  it squeezer. Being blown out.
• 39:30
  Blown to shit, though. I mean, literally Flyers cross
• 39:33
  that quarry. It does.
• 39:35
  It's, I mean, it's just a little shot of just superimposed.
• 39:39
  Was it actually iron? That is like a that is like a
• 39:42
  real explosion to me. Mmm, it does look a bit of
• 39:45
  shows, a bit of forced perspective in their book, you
• 39:47
  know. So would know, these are quite
• 39:49
  nasty bits of work and then we'll actually get to see them.
• 39:52
  And that's what you're going to be left with, until next week
• 39:54
  isn't, you're going to have that picture of that Quark left
• 39:59
  thing, and come back next week and see more of it.
• 40:02
  And if you'll forgive me quickiy, all right.
• 40:05
  I'll pluck yourself from the wall.
• 40:07
  I mean, look at him, honestly, that's her.
• 40:09
  That's an ingenious. You've never seen anything quite
• 40:11
  like that before. No, I don't bags with a crystal
• 40:14
  one is heads. Yeah yeah.
• 40:16
  Sorry with the little arms, its kind of take a classic 50 sort
• 40:20
  of design of a chunky robot, you know.
• 40:23
  It's not like sort of like table names like a dollar or dorms
• 40:28
  like a dollar, it is want your company.
• 40:31
  It's oxidized with, you know, but those sort of quirky looking
• 40:37
  robots. Okay.
• 40:40
  All right. They, they they sticking their
• 40:43
  heads, you know, their memorable up to it's a, it's a design
• 40:47
  that's lasted. I mean, we'll see them in this
• 40:49
  story. We see them at the end of the
• 40:50
  war games, but the probably endured more than any other sort
• 40:54
  of One-Shot monster that we've heard and the oh haseman.
• 40:58
  And Lincoln were not Daft. They led the fight for the
• 41:02
  quarks because they knew this was a marketable thing.
• 41:06
  Absolutely was. Yeah, I've been there.
• 41:09
  The similar fighting are over the fat, Daleks nobody want to
• 41:14
  do anyway. Now listen now I promised you,
• 41:17
  the quickie would, in fact inform you of some of his
• 41:19
  delightful Adventures around time and space.
• 41:22
  Yep, since you know, before we landed in the Portobello, Road.
• 41:25
  I mean, I don't know how we ended up with that strange fella
• 41:28
  on that market stall. There we go.
• 41:30
  That's another adventure. So by, what was that?
• 41:39
  Rice. Okay, so apparently right.
• 41:43
  He met this doctor again, right? Well, he was reprogrammed to
• 41:49
  become a space assassin and ended up in a old-fashioned car
• 41:55
  race with the second doctor. Have you heard about this?
• 41:59
  I think it rings a bell. To be honest I might have heard
• 42:01
  about this. Yeah, it's basically just going
• 42:03
  around and around on a track trying to shoot the buggery out
• 42:06
  of Patrick troughton's doctor. Like a very exciting Adventure.
• 42:10
  I must say what come back and come back in episode 2 and tell
• 42:13
  us some more. Yeah these do quickly I am not
• 42:16
  kidding. You he's been Here There and
• 42:18
  Everywhere invasions of Gallifrey you know, trials he's
• 42:22
  bit. He's done it all but you and I
• 42:25
  Mr. Fraser Gregory will be back for the comical antics of Fraser
• 42:31
  hires and Patrick troughton also to what a treat, what a treat.
• 42:36
  Well, should we go and watch it? Yeah, let's do it.
• 42:39
  Let's do it, boy.