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LeBron's Soccer Investment Pays Off, World Cup Ratings Soar, NFL Team Revenues Climb and Ohio State · Bottom Line on Sports

0:06
SPEAKER_00: What's up, everybody?
0:07
SPEAKER_00: Welcome to yet another episode of the bottom line on sports.
0:11
SPEAKER_00: He's Jeremy Pink.
0:12
SPEAKER_00: I'm Jean-Jacques Taylor, and this is our show about the intersection of sports and money.
0:17
SPEAKER_00: You know how we get down?
0:19
SPEAKER_00: Every show we start with a number.
0:21
SPEAKER_00: This week's number, 125 million.
0:25
SPEAKER_00: Tell me about it, Mr.
0:26
SPEAKER_00: Pink.
0:27
SPEAKER_01: Uh, that's the balance of your 401k, from what I understand.
0:32
SPEAKER_01: I would not be doing that if this was true.
0:34
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, actually, we would neither of us would be doing that.
0:35
SPEAKER_00: No, that's we might be doing it from the French Riviera.
0:39
SPEAKER_01: That is the value of LeBron James's stake in the Liverpool football club of the English Premier League, uh, estimated by Forbes as of today, based on a six and a half million dollar investment 15 years ago.
0:57
SPEAKER_00: Think about that, man.
0:58
SPEAKER_00: He bought 2% of Liverpool.
1:01
SPEAKER_00: Now, you lived in London for a long time.
1:03
SPEAKER_00: I did.
1:04
SPEAKER_00: You're more of a Chelsea person than a Chelsea guy.
1:07
SPEAKER_00: How far is Liverpool from London?
1:10
SPEAKER_01: Uh it's far enough that it's not.
1:12
SPEAKER_01: I mean, they're there, they're, you know, it's it's a totally separate for city.
1:16
SPEAKER_01: I don't know the exact uh uh mileage or kilometers, but but it's it's it's a very distinct market from London.
1:24
SPEAKER_00: All right.
1:25
SPEAKER_00: So Liverpool, I believe that's where the the Beatles are from.
1:28
SPEAKER_01: It is.
1:29
SPEAKER_01: Uh see then that is that's what do you call and what do you call a person from Liverpool?
1:34
SPEAKER_01: What's what's a term often used for a person from Liverpool?
1:37
SPEAKER_00: A Liverpool?
1:38
SPEAKER_01: A liver puddle?
1:39
SPEAKER_01: No, a lot of people you can call them a liver puddle, but they're called scousers.
1:42
SPEAKER_01: I don't know why, but they're called scousers.
1:44
SPEAKER_01: That was my next question.
1:45
SPEAKER_01: Scousers.
1:46
SPEAKER_00: I have no idea why, but they're called so he bought two percent of Liverpool, the Reds.
1:53
SPEAKER_00: Two and a half, two and a half percent.
1:55
SPEAKER_00: Two and a half percent.
1:56
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, two and a half percent, yeah, yeah.
1:58
SPEAKER_00: Which is not a big percentage.
2:00
SPEAKER_00: And yet it cost six million, six and a half million dollars, and now it's worth 124 million.
2:08
SPEAKER_00: And we talked last week when the Seahawks got bought.
2:11
SPEAKER_00: And we're just like, if you got money and you can do it, either buy a portion of a team or buy a team.
2:19
SPEAKER_00: You can't, you you I don't know that you can go wrong.
2:22
SPEAKER_01: I think I think that's right.
2:23
SPEAKER_01: And I think what what what I wasn't aware of is that when LeBron bought his stake in Liverpool, the value of Liverpool was far greater at the time than what LeBron paid for it.
2:39
SPEAKER_01: So, in other words, LeBron got a bargain, and I think he probably got a bargain on it because he's LeBron James, and having LeBron James own a stake of Liverpool probably added instant value to Liverpool.
2:50
SPEAKER_01: But what I did, because I have a lot of free time, is I calculated the annual return on that investment over the last 15 years.
3:00
SPEAKER_01: And I compared that, no, no, and I compared that to the annual return of the S P 500 with dividends reinvested.
3:08
SPEAKER_01: Wow.
3:09
SPEAKER_01: Okay, just come up with so LeBron's the in the annual return on LeBron's investment was 21.7 percent.
3:19
SPEAKER_01: Over in the last 15 years have been great in the stock market.
3:22
SPEAKER_00: 21.7 percent.
3:23
SPEAKER_00: Wow.
3:25
SPEAKER_01: It's an amazing investment.
3:26
SPEAKER_01: You would take any investment right now if someone said for the next 15 years you could get 20 22% return on it.
3:32
SPEAKER_01: You take it a few seconds.
3:34
SPEAKER_01: Now, the SP 500, which has had an incredible last 15 years, although there's a little wobble in the middle there, um, is including reinvesting dividends, at least according to my calculations, is up about 14% over that period.
3:48
SPEAKER_01: Wow.
3:49
SPEAKER_01: So that'll that'll tell you um that's amazing.
3:52
SPEAKER_01: It's it's 21%, 22%.
3:54
SPEAKER_01: But but the reason is is exactly what you said, which is that one of the best investments in the last 20 years, 30 years is in any sports team.
4:04
SPEAKER_01: Now, why do you figure that is?
4:06
SPEAKER_01: As a version, scarcity, scarcity of product.
4:11
SPEAKER_01: You know, there are there are only 32 NFL teams.
4:14
SPEAKER_01: There are only what are there, 20 Premier League teams, although they change, you know, a few change every year.
4:20
SPEAKER_01: Um, it's just uh it's just a scarcity.
4:23
SPEAKER_01: Number one, and number two, it's uh uh it's a vanity play.
4:27
SPEAKER_01: So a lot of people will overpay for that to say they own it.
4:30
SPEAKER_01: Number three is live sports is one of the only live sports are driving such a huge amount of linear television viewing or linear streaming viewing, and it's such a coveted product that sports rights fees have skyrocketed over the last 15 years, also.
4:49
SPEAKER_00: It seems like live sports is Lat Frontier, it's the last thing where you don't know what's gonna happen.
4:54
SPEAKER_00: You can go there, you can be surprised, you have a true emotional investment, whether you're there just as a fan, whether you're there as a gambler, whether you're there as somebody, it's your team, you know, whatever.
5:05
SPEAKER_00: And uh, I think as long as you fit in one of those categories, it just makes it people want it want that individual experience that they can uh take a memory for a lifetime.
5:14
SPEAKER_01: Well, it's it's you know what it's it's a it's a good version of reality TV.
5:19
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
5:19
SPEAKER_01: Essentially is what it is.
5:21
SPEAKER_01: And and I think that it's also one of the only, you know, live sports also aggregates a large audience at a given point in time, which is very difficult to do right now because of the whole fragmented nature of media in general.
5:37
SPEAKER_01: Live sports is one of the few things that aggregates a large audience in one time.
5:41
SPEAKER_00: You know, I just thought about something.
5:42
SPEAKER_00: It seems to me that maybe live sports has made so or social media, I'm not sure it's a symbiotic relationship, I think, between social media and live sports, because now the World Cup was always going to do what the World Cup did.
5:58
SPEAKER_00: But and we're gonna get to that in a second, but you got all these hundreds of millions of people watching it, but then you got all these hundreds of millions of people on social media chiming in at the same time, and it's like one collective uh I don't want to say if it's a bar, but it's like one can collective viewing audience, even though it's on TV, because you're everybody's communicating about the same thing that they're watching wherever they are in the world.
6:23
SPEAKER_01: Well, it's it's it's it's it's amplification and symbiosis at the same time.
6:28
SPEAKER_00: One oh man, those a couple duke master's degree.
6:31
SPEAKER_01: I know, I know, I know.
6:32
SPEAKER_01: I heard I heard it coming out of my mouth, and and uh you can you can practically hear people switching away from the podcast right now after I said that.
6:40
SPEAKER_01: But but putting that aside, it's you know, the the social media amplifies the game because I you know what what I what I will do, I'm not a huge user of Twitter, but what I do use Twitter for is to kind of look at what type of reaction uh an audience may have to you know to a sporting event.
7:01
SPEAKER_01: Or if I see something, I want to know if was I crazy, did I actually see it, or other people seeing it at the same time as me.
7:09
SPEAKER_01: So I use that.
7:10
SPEAKER_01: So I I'm a live sports viewer first, and I look at Twitter second.
7:14
SPEAKER_01: I think you have other, you know, other consumers are are the opposite way, but but they are symbiotic because they all they feed off of one another.
7:22
SPEAKER_01: And uh they each each platform amplifies another while the event's going on.
7:26
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think the uh it seems like the other thing is just that uh if you've got money and you're LeBron, so you have a spare six million floating around, just you know, the more money you have, the more money you can make because you're dealing with such big numbers.
7:41
SPEAKER_01: That's exactly right.
7:42
SPEAKER_01: And he's also essentially was able to invest at a discount.
7:47
SPEAKER_01: And that's that's you know, that's even you you have that opportunity when you're a LeBron James, who is I mean, we I know we want to get to our next topic.
7:55
SPEAKER_01: Where's he going?
7:58
SPEAKER_01: Miami?
7:59
SPEAKER_01: Cleveland?
8:00
SPEAKER_00: Okay, do you believe what happened today?
8:01
SPEAKER_00: And we're taping the show on Wednesday evening.
8:04
SPEAKER_00: Oh, the the Miami Heat put out the the oh, we accidentally we we accidentally we're preparing, which you should do.
8:12
SPEAKER_00: We accidentally put out our prepared I actually I actually think that's an honest mis.
8:17
SPEAKER_01: I think that's a that's a that's an honest mistake.
8:19
SPEAKER_01: I you know, you and I both worked at news, you worked at newspapers, you worked at real jobs in newspapers.
8:23
SPEAKER_01: I worked in newspapers for a short period of time, but you and I both know that newspapers prep obituaries uh all the time.
8:31
SPEAKER_01: So my guess is that the social media team has has prepped a they've got prepped everything.
8:37
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they for Cleveland, for Golden State, for well, they they did that.
8:42
SPEAKER_01: Miami did it, but yeah.
8:43
SPEAKER_00: I'll give you a quick all of this happened 25 years ago.
8:48
SPEAKER_00: Actually, it happened more than that because it happened in the late 90s.
8:52
SPEAKER_00: Um at one point when all of this stuff was really just starting, uh I had a I had a good source who worked for the website, the team's website.
9:04
SPEAKER_00: And so on something like this, I would always say, Hey Jeremy, check this out.
9:10
SPEAKER_00: When they call you to write your story, call me or or get in touch with me.
9:16
SPEAKER_02: Right.
9:17
SPEAKER_00: Because once they call you, it's moving.
9:20
SPEAKER_00: And then once it's moving, I can call my people and say, Hey, it's my understanding that A B and C is happening.
9:27
SPEAKER_00: And and because at that point I was a good reporter, they'll be like, did you figure this out already?
9:33
SPEAKER_00: And you can get the story, and I can I can move when you move.
9:37
SPEAKER_00: And so and so you know, those the those beat reporters, trust me, are are touching base with those uh social media teams if they got sources over there saying when you get the call to go, let me know so I can go.
9:52
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, makes perfect, it makes perfect sense.
9:54
SPEAKER_00: So I was a little insight into why I was a badass.
9:58
SPEAKER_01: Uh it makes perfect sense.
10:01
SPEAKER_01: I think it was an honest mistake.
10:02
SPEAKER_01: Do you think it was an honest mistake or not?
10:04
SPEAKER_00: Uh I'm so suspicious.
10:06
SPEAKER_00: Uh I believe, well, see, the question is not whether it's an honest mistake, the question is whether you believe that's where he's going.
10:12
SPEAKER_00: And they they they mistakenly put it out there too soon.
10:15
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I understand that.
10:16
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I I think that they were I think his social media team was prepping for this on the chance that it might happen, and it went out there accidentally.
10:23
SPEAKER_00: I think he is uh I was kind of leaning toward Miami of the three, because you're not gonna I don't think Cleveland is prepared to win.
10:33
SPEAKER_00: I don't think Golden State, even if he goes there, is equipped to beat Oklahoma City and San Antonio.
10:42
SPEAKER_00: And that believe that leaves Miami, which is equipped to compete.
10:46
SPEAKER_00: If I if if you're LeBron, you go if I go back to Miami, we're equipped to play with the best teams in the East.
10:53
SPEAKER_00: And the question is with Bam, with Giannis, with me, do we have enough guard play?
11:00
SPEAKER_00: Do we have enough outside shooting?
11:03
SPEAKER_00: And if not, do we have enough assets to acquire that during the season?
11:07
SPEAKER_00: And if so, but but uh what I'm saying is Miami gives you the best chance to make one more run at the final.
11:13
SPEAKER_01: So my so Miami, you think he's going to Miami?
11:15
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
11:16
SPEAKER_01: You if you had a pick, yeah.
11:17
SPEAKER_01: I I agree.
11:18
SPEAKER_01: I agree for a slightly slightly different reason, which is on South Beach.
11:23
SPEAKER_01: Well, you can he can play a lot of golf in Miami, and it's good weather year around, that's true.
11:28
SPEAKER_01: But I I think one of the to me, a major differen a major reason why Miami will be very attractive to him is because he'll have the ball in his hands the whole time.
11:40
SPEAKER_01: In these other places he won't.
11:42
SPEAKER_00: And you know, he um I thought you were gonna say no state income tax.
11:46
SPEAKER_00: Um that's true too.
11:48
SPEAKER_00: After he's been playing in in uh California for eight years.
11:52
SPEAKER_00: Um you know what that's a uh that's a good point.
11:55
SPEAKER_00: And uh he may have, and I don't know this, but because he played with BAM on the Olympic team, uh, because he's played with Giannis, he may have enough respect for them where he doesn't feel like he needs to be the epicenter of everything.
12:09
SPEAKER_00: And he can he can lay back, let them do the heavy lifting, and then save himself so that in winning time he can then go, I can go be LeBron for the for the fourth quarter, the last five minutes, because I haven't had to do all this heavy lifting during the game.
12:24
SPEAKER_01: I think that's fair.
12:24
SPEAKER_01: I think that's totally fair.
12:26
SPEAKER_01: Anyway, bottom line on LeBron's investment in Liverpool for you.
12:31
SPEAKER_00: It's fantastic, and I wish I had an extra six million to spare.
12:36
SPEAKER_01: Bottom line for me is you get a chance to invest in a professional sports team, particularly at a discount.
12:42
SPEAKER_01: Do it.
12:43
SPEAKER_00: Uh now before we move into the World Cup, um Liverpool is four hours north of London.
12:52
SPEAKER_00: Uh, and they call them Scousers because of a uh a hardy meat and potato stew that was a staple for sailors and working class in the 19th century.
13:05
SPEAKER_00: So there.
13:07
SPEAKER_00: So they named them after a soup.
13:10
SPEAKER_01: Now you know.
13:11
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they yeah, it's it's not quite Paul Harvey, yeah, but hey, yeah, uh, that's the best I could do for you.
13:16
SPEAKER_00: Uh, World Cup.
13:19
SPEAKER_00: Um, first off, uh Spain wins 1-0.
13:23
SPEAKER_00: It was a weird game to me.
13:25
SPEAKER_00: It was a game the way I hoped it didn't play out the way it did.
13:28
SPEAKER_00: I needed Spain to score early so that they so that Argentina would press, as opposed because you saw how the game changed once they went up one-nothing.
13:38
SPEAKER_01: It was it was it was watchable after it was up up after they were up one-nothing.
13:42
SPEAKER_00: Uh, but dude, before that, it was like, oh my god, this was uh if if the matches were like that in the opening round, this world uh this world cup would not have had the ratings that it did.
13:54
SPEAKER_00: No, matter of fact, it's the exact opposite.
13:56
SPEAKER_00: There were more goals scored in this world cup than any of the things.
13:59
SPEAKER_00: Precisely.
14:00
SPEAKER_00: Um what did I say?
14:02
SPEAKER_00: I said, oh, this is what I said on Twitter the other day about Spain.
14:05
SPEAKER_00: I said they play a very effective defensive style, it's kind of like watching Mayweather fight.
14:10
SPEAKER_01: That's a good, that's a very good analogy.
14:13
SPEAKER_01: That's a very good analogy.
14:14
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I can't fault them because it's very good, it's very technical, it's it's brilliant the way they play, but geez.
14:22
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's brutal.
14:24
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
14:24
SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's like damn near watching uh Italy play.
14:28
SPEAKER_01: Right.
14:28
SPEAKER_01: It's it's it can be, but I mean they they they control the midfield like I've never seen before.
14:37
SPEAKER_01: That's what I'm saying.
14:37
SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's not their fault that they're better than everybody else.
14:39
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they're they're so much better.
14:41
SPEAKER_01: I mean, my takeaway from that was watching the final four teams, they are so much better than the United States is right now that it's it's well it's hard to believe.
14:53
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
14:54
SPEAKER_00: Well, now I said all that, but I should also say that had Pickford not played, that's um their goalie.
15:03
SPEAKER_00: Um no, they got Martinez.
15:06
SPEAKER_00: I'm thinking about the other game.
15:07
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
15:07
SPEAKER_00: Um, you're thinking about uh I was thinking about the the England game where I go, well, geez, if Pickford hadn't played great, they'd have lost eight to nothing.
15:14
SPEAKER_00: Um but uh no in this game uh they didn't even get they didn't get tested.
15:19
SPEAKER_00: Uh I meant the flip side, which is if Martinez did not play great, then Spain might have beat him five-nothing.
15:25
SPEAKER_00: I think that's I wouldn't be saying it was such a boring game because they'd have put up five on them.
15:30
SPEAKER_00: Right, right.
15:31
SPEAKER_00: So maybe I should just set up.
15:32
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think that's fair.
15:33
SPEAKER_01: But I what we're we're talking about the World Cup for bottom line on sports today because uh the ratings were outrageously high.
15:43
SPEAKER_01: They were 30, 38 million.
15:46
SPEAKER_01: The the the final was 38 million on Fox, the English language, and another 22 million or so on Telemundo, the Spanish language.
15:55
SPEAKER_01: So 60 million people tuned in to watch this thing.
15:58
SPEAKER_01: What do you think about that?
15:59
SPEAKER_01: Is that sustainable?
16:03
SPEAKER_00: You know what?
16:04
SPEAKER_00: I don't uh okay, no, it's not sustainable.
16:07
SPEAKER_00: Because here's why.
16:08
SPEAKER_00: When it's in Europe in four years, you're not gonna have those kind of American numbers because unless you're hardcore, you're not gonna be staying up to the city.
16:17
SPEAKER_01: I totally agree.
16:18
SPEAKER_00: I think most of it's gonna be what, about a six-hour time difference?
16:22
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, five to six hours.
16:23
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's it's it and you know, I wrote down like I that's my number one thing that I wrote down here is that I think the impact of having it in a North American time zone is so important that and it it appears that as long as you have a U.S.
16:41
SPEAKER_01: team that has a couple of stars that play, or it has a couple people, you know, they win a couple of games, people will watch, you know, the first few rounds.
16:50
SPEAKER_01: Um and as long as there are big stars playing in general, the Mbappes, the Hollands of the world, people will watch.
16:58
SPEAKER_01: But the time zone impact, I think, will have you know, I think the time zone impact will probably the only the only uh the time zone impact can cut both ways because if it's a five or six hour time difference, that means a lot of the games that the US plays, and maybe they'll put a lot of the higher profile games in prime time in in the East Coast.
17:20
SPEAKER_01: Uh but the soccer audience is much bigger in Europe.
17:25
SPEAKER_01: And and so I I think that maybe for the U.S.
17:28
SPEAKER_01: games they'll do that, but for other games, I don't think they will.
17:31
SPEAKER_01: And they even they even did that here, where the games were three o'clock in the afternoon to be in prime time in in Europe.
17:36
SPEAKER_01: So I I can't imagine that it won't be in prime time in Europe again, but I could be wrong.
17:40
SPEAKER_00: Now here's another question.
17:41
SPEAKER_00: Will the tickets be as outrageously expensive in Europe as they were here?
17:47
SPEAKER_01: Yes, because that's a function, that's a function of FIFA, not of the United States.
17:53
SPEAKER_01: Now, do I think you'll have the same amount of tourism to the United States that you will to uh what is it, Spain, Portugal, Morocco, I think are the three three co-hosts?
18:03
SPEAKER_01: Probably not.
18:05
SPEAKER_00: Now, does that mean it'd be easier to get tickets?
18:08
SPEAKER_01: I think the I no, I think that uh uh FIFA's gonna constrain supply in a similar way that it did now.
18:15
SPEAKER_01: So I think that uh they're gonna be the ones controlling supply and they're gonna be controlling prices because they were so uh it was so effective this time.
18:23
SPEAKER_01: So I don't think that's gonna change much at all.
18:26
SPEAKER_00: Uh well no.
18:27
SPEAKER_00: I think the uh the other thing that helped the tournament in general, and we've talked about it several times, is the stars all showed up.
18:34
SPEAKER_00: They did.
18:34
SPEAKER_00: So um, you know, I I'm not anticipating Messi playing in the next one.
18:40
SPEAKER_00: Um and so, but in Bapio being his prime, uh well, Harry Kane, he's 32, I think.
18:45
SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
18:46
SPEAKER_01: Well Lamin Yamal is from Spain.
18:49
SPEAKER_01: He's gonna be he's gonna be the face of the World Cup in 23.
18:53
SPEAKER_00: Also he's a little longer than 23 years old.
18:56
SPEAKER_01: That other that other midfielder, I think he's a is he a midfielder or I can't remember, he's a midfielder or center back.
19:01
SPEAKER_01: That other 19-year-old that they have on that team, actually, what was his name?
19:04
SPEAKER_01: Pussardi.
19:05
SPEAKER_01: I can't remember his name.
19:06
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he was actually named there there's an award for the young player of the tournament.
19:12
SPEAKER_01: And it was him.
19:13
SPEAKER_01: It was him, it wasn't La Miña Maw.
19:15
SPEAKER_01: But they have two incredible superstars who will be in their soccer prime while the World Cup is being played in Spain.
19:23
SPEAKER_01: So I think that the they will be in, especially La Miño Ma will be an enormous star by then.
19:29
SPEAKER_00: Oh and and they're playing in his home country, so yeah.
19:31
SPEAKER_00: Exactly, exactly.
19:33
SPEAKER_00: You know, but you got uh Hurling, Harling will still be playing, I think.
19:36
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, 27-28, I think.
19:40
SPEAKER_00: And then there'll be there'll be some new stars that we haven't heard about that that emerge.
19:44
SPEAKER_00: But here's the thing: as long as the stars show up that the way they showed up in this tournament, and maybe they will, because you alluded to it before, they're expanding the tournament so you'll get lesser teams in, and they will have a chance to do their thing.
19:57
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they'll be able to score.
19:59
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
20:00
SPEAKER_01: Um you know what the U.S.
20:02
SPEAKER_01: needs, and I'm not the first person to say this, the U.S.
20:05
SPEAKER_01: needs their own version of Erling Holland because the US the U.S.
20:09
SPEAKER_01: is not a developed enough soccer country to be competitive against, they're not even competitive against Belgium and the Netherlands.
20:18
SPEAKER_01: You know, they're not even competitive against the second-tier uh European teams.
20:22
SPEAKER_00: They're on the outside of the top teams.
20:24
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, exactly.
20:25
SPEAKER_01: They're they're probably at the bottom of the second tier of European teams or at the top of the third tier of the European teams in terms of quality.
20:33
SPEAKER_01: But if they can get their own version of Erling Holland in there, or their own version, like a big you know, superstar in there that's an American soccer player.
20:42
SPEAKER_00: You mean just a big, a physically imposing dude.
20:44
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you need or you need somebody in there who's like, you know, who's really good.
20:48
SPEAKER_01: Kind of like uh, you know, there aren't that many great French basketball players, but Viktor Wembenyama is is a great player.
20:55
SPEAKER_01: You know, there aren't any there aren't great Norwegian soccer players except for uh Erling Holland.
21:00
SPEAKER_00: If you can No, that's a great point.
21:02
SPEAKER_00: Like he is the one.
21:03
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, if you find you know, Polisic clearly isn't that guy.
21:09
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and the the more you read and hear about him, he doesn't want to be that guy.
21:13
SPEAKER_01: Or he's not that guy.
21:14
SPEAKER_01: I had read that, I had read something very similar.
21:17
SPEAKER_00: And you gotta want the smoke when it's coming, and you gotta embrace it, and you gotta be like, yo, here I am, da-da-da-da-da.
21:26
SPEAKER_00: And it's oh to me, it's okay if if that's not you.
21:30
SPEAKER_00: Now, people put it on you because you're the most talented player, but I've seen other other other teams uh in my years of coverage sports where the most talented players like, yeah, I don't want, I don't, I don't want to be there.
21:42
SPEAKER_00: Of course.
21:43
SPEAKER_00: Can I be number two?
21:45
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but but but I think but I think the the star has to be somebody like, you know, kind of like Laminamal, who kind of looks the part, you know, is is is somebody like Mbappe who is just you know incredibly.
22:00
SPEAKER_01: Talented, somebody like Holland, who just is just this odd player who touches the ball three times a game and scores twice.
22:07
SPEAKER_01: You know?
22:08
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
22:08
SPEAKER_01: If you can find some sort of American equivalent, and I don't think you'll find an Mbappe or a Yamal.
22:14
SPEAKER_01: I think the likelihood of finding a Holland is greater for an American star than.
22:18
SPEAKER_00: Now here's what's interesting.
22:21
SPEAKER_00: That's interesting.
22:22
SPEAKER_00: That's a good question.
22:23
SPEAKER_00: Is it easier to find a Yameen, a Harland, or an Mbappe?
22:31
SPEAKER_00: If you were looking for one.
22:32
SPEAKER_01: If you look without question, Holland to me.
22:35
SPEAKER_00: See, I would almost say, I see where you're going.
22:38
SPEAKER_00: I would almost say Mbappe only because so much of his game is built on if he must run like 4-2.
22:47
SPEAKER_00: You know, he's he just he's oh yeah.
22:49
SPEAKER_00: His acceleration and his speed is so much better than everybody else's that he hits that gear and he is like gone.
22:57
SPEAKER_01: Did did you know that I saw Mbappe and Messi play together when they were at PSG?
23:04
SPEAKER_00: You know, they were only there for like two years.
23:08
SPEAKER_01: I was there.
23:08
SPEAKER_01: I was there.
23:09
SPEAKER_00: Neymar was on that team too.
23:10
SPEAKER_01: Neymar, I saw Neymar too.
23:11
SPEAKER_01: I used to play with PSG on FIFA.
23:15
SPEAKER_00: Wow, that was uh where'd you see him at?
23:17
SPEAKER_00: In in England or in France?
23:18
SPEAKER_01: No, in in in uh in Paris at Park Parc du Bronze.
23:22
SPEAKER_00: Oh, you went to the you went to their stadium and watched the play?
23:24
SPEAKER_01: Of course, of course.
23:25
SPEAKER_01: We were uh in in my overprivileged life, we were in uh I was with the kids and we were there for uh their spring break.
23:33
SPEAKER_01: We went to Paris for for the spring break, and they uh wanted to see uh a soccer match, and there was uh PSG was playing, and we got to see it.
23:44
SPEAKER_01: It was fantastic.
23:45
SPEAKER_01: I bet it was.
23:46
SPEAKER_01: I bet it was.
23:47
SPEAKER_00: Now who do they play?
23:48
SPEAKER_01: I have no idea who they played, but it they were because because you know the the French league, like the Premier League, and like the Bundesliga and the Spanish League has like two good teams, and everybody else isn't that good, right?
24:01
SPEAKER_01: So so you got to see, you know, I I don't even remember it didn't it didn't matter who they played, what mattered is that you were there.
24:07
SPEAKER_00: Um, because I once uh Man You played Manchester.
24:14
SPEAKER_00: Oh I never I never did that while I was when I went to Old Trafford when the uh fantastic um the Cowboys were playing Jacksonville in London, and Brad Sham, who's been the voice of the Cowboys forever, and he knows I'm a big soccer fan.
24:30
SPEAKER_00: He said, I don't know how this happened, but ended up with an extra ticket to the game if you want to go.
24:36
SPEAKER_00: And I said, Do I want to go?
24:39
SPEAKER_00: Bro, tell me tell me when to meet you in the lobby.
24:44
SPEAKER_00: And so we took the train up to uh Manchester, watched the game, and uh, you know, came back.
24:51
SPEAKER_01: No no fist fights, nothing, nothing like that.
24:53
SPEAKER_00: No, but uh we we asked them to help us teach the songs of uh on the way up on the train because they started singing, right?
25:02
SPEAKER_00: And we're like, okay, what are y'all singing?
25:04
SPEAKER_00: And we'll you know, we will we'd like, and uh the only thing that was interesting to me, no fist-a cuffs, but I really saw like the Crystal Palace fans were right here and they had security all around whatever whatever little part of the stadium they were in, uh trying to um you know make sure nothing nothing happened.
25:22
SPEAKER_00: And then uh my only other game I watched uh we went cross town and watched Fulham play uh somebody at their state.
25:31
SPEAKER_00: So yeah, Fulham's a good uh Fulham's that's when they were uh division, that's before they got moved up.
25:39
SPEAKER_01: Oh, okay.
25:40
SPEAKER_01: So full well, Fulham kind of goes in and out.
25:42
SPEAKER_00: So this is one one of those years they were out.
25:45
SPEAKER_00: So they were when I was back in the second division.
25:48
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, when I was there, they were owned by the owner of Herod's, the big department store in London.
25:54
SPEAKER_01: And I don't know if they still are.
25:55
SPEAKER_01: Uh I I think he sold them a while ago.
25:58
SPEAKER_01: But uh, but yeah, no, I used to live not too far from Chelsea and used to uh go to some of their matches.
26:03
SPEAKER_00: So I know that's a lot of psychotype for y'all, but it's just uh bottom line for me, man.
26:09
SPEAKER_00: The World Cup is going to do big numbers in four years from now, but it won't be quite as big as they did in the U.S.
26:18
SPEAKER_01: Uh yeah.
26:18
SPEAKER_01: Bottom line for me, tend to agree with that.
26:20
SPEAKER_01: I think they're gonna do good numbers.
26:22
SPEAKER_01: Uh I think they'll do great numbers if the U.S.
26:25
SPEAKER_01: can find a star in four years.
26:27
SPEAKER_01: Uh, and if you have a number of games on in prime time, but I don't think it will do what it did this time.
26:34
SPEAKER_00: No, I don't think so.
26:36
SPEAKER_00: Um, let's uh let's move on to the National Football League.
26:40
SPEAKER_00: Um, each of their teams grossed$450 million this year.
26:48
SPEAKER_01: That's a minimum for the 2025 season.
26:51
SPEAKER_01: So so the it's amazing.
26:52
SPEAKER_01: I'm looking, that's that's crazy.
26:55
SPEAKER_01: The NFL in total that means it was$14 billion in total revenue they reported this week.
27:02
SPEAKER_01: And so each team gets$450 million.
27:04
SPEAKER_01: That's insane.
27:05
SPEAKER_00: I was gonna say that's at a minimum because the Dallas Cowboys got more than that because they got their own marketing deals and all their own sponsorship deals.
27:12
SPEAKER_01: So how much how much money did they get in 10 years ago?
27:18
SPEAKER_01: Do you know that?
27:21
SPEAKER_00: Uh each team, I'm gonna say each team probably got uh 28 million, 280 million, close, 244.
27:31
SPEAKER_00: See, yeah, I I do it uh in my head.
27:35
SPEAKER_00: I try to remember in general where the salary cap is because the salary cap is that's that's a percentage of gross revenues.
27:42
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
27:42
SPEAKER_00: And that's why you can always say, well, we can pay pink this because the cap is going up every year.
27:48
SPEAKER_00: And so what seems like a huge, and you can tell really how the NFL is just printing money because five years ago, 10 years ago, hey man, we don't want to cut Taylor because he's gonna count 17 million against the cap.
28:04
SPEAKER_00: Oh my god, that's such a big amount of dead money.
28:07
SPEAKER_00: We used to do story after story after story on dead money, which is money you're paying players no longer on your team.
28:15
SPEAKER_00: And now the cap is so big that we don't even do dead dead money stories anymore because they go, we'll just trade pink, we'll absorb that 85 million dollars, 45 this year, 40 next year, and keep it moving.
28:29
SPEAKER_01: It's the Russell Wilson, right?
28:31
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's exactly, or if we think we're gonna suck this year, we'll just take it all this year.
28:36
SPEAKER_01: Right.
28:37
SPEAKER_00: Um, and so so that's my way of saying teams can always do what they want to.
28:44
SPEAKER_00: They're not capped, they're not strapped by the salary cap.
28:47
SPEAKER_00: That's just what they tell the public.
28:48
SPEAKER_00: They can literally do whatever they choose to do financially, um, with with no real ramifications.
28:55
SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's it's no different than than any of us.
28:58
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you'd like to have a little more money on your credit card balance if you if you've spent a lot over Christmas or something, or you had to buy a washer, but it's not the end of the world that you got this balance that you got.
29:10
SPEAKER_01: The the amazing thing about the$450 million that each team is getting$450 million, but the amazing thing about that number, and this is according to a Sportico article, is that, and I'm gonna read directly from it, is that the team payout from the media and other league deals is more than the combined total of respective league league payouts for NBA, NHL, and MLB teams.
29:36
SPEAKER_01: Combined, yeah, that'll just show you how big and how much the NFL dominates.
29:44
SPEAKER_00: Let me ask you this.
29:45
SPEAKER_00: It seems to me, the vibe I get, I don't have the statistical evidence to prove it, but it just seems like the NFL is just zoomed off from the uh from these other leagues in the last 20, 25 years.
30:00
SPEAKER_00: And why do you think that is?
30:01
SPEAKER_00: Because it seems like uh the sports popularity is just is just you know, it used to be baseball was America's pastime, and then when Jordan was here, there's a big basketball thing.
30:14
SPEAKER_00: Uh hockey's always been a uh little brother, but now football is King Kong and there's nobody close.
30:21
SPEAKER_01: That's that's a hundred percent right.
30:23
SPEAKER_01: And I think it's there's a couple of reasons.
30:25
SPEAKER_01: Football is a game that is great, and it's better to watch football on television than in person, in many ways.
30:32
SPEAKER_02: Um, yeah.
30:34
SPEAKER_01: Whereas I think hockey's the opposite.
30:35
SPEAKER_01: Hockey's much better to watch in person than in than on television.
30:40
SPEAKER_01: And I I I kind of think the same thing about basketball.
30:42
SPEAKER_01: I think basketball is better to watch in person than than uh basketball's somewhere in the middle.
30:47
SPEAKER_01: But what's happened because it's such such a quintet quintessentially television sport, yeah, um and the the vast majority of the revenue that the NFL derives comes from their media deals.
31:02
SPEAKER_00: Right.
31:02
SPEAKER_01: And the fact that live sports is the biggest thing in TV right now, in fact, the only thing left in TV now, which maybe with you know my old world of live television news, but but it essentially dwarfs it.
31:14
SPEAKER_01: All those factors together have made the NFL just a just a just a juggernaut.
31:19
SPEAKER_01: And that's why the NFL is looking to renegotiate its media deals.
31:24
SPEAKER_01: So they renegotiate their media deals, that 450 number is going way up.
31:28
SPEAKER_00: Oh, they're definitely going to renegotiate them because then the uh, you know, and they have to renegotiate them.
31:34
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I'm sure they got an opt-in, but even if they didn't, they'll just be like, if you don't renegotiate this deal when it's time to open up in however many years, we will hurt you so badly, you'll wish you had.
31:48
SPEAKER_01: You know what I'm saying?
31:49
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I uh you're 100% right.
31:50
SPEAKER_01: And also, it isn't a coincidence that the NFL announced or or made made it made it known, somebody made it known, that Roger Goodell is going to be signing a new contract.
32:02
SPEAKER_00: Because they want nowhere.
32:04
SPEAKER_01: So they want Goodell to renegotiate these media rights.
32:07
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and I think yeah, yeah, absolutely.
32:10
SPEAKER_01: And so once he does that, that'll probably be the last media rights contract that he negotiates for them.
32:16
SPEAKER_00: And you know, this will always be interesting because, as you said, you know, the Netflix and the Amazons, all these other people are getting involved where football is not their main thing.
32:25
SPEAKER_00: And at some point will the NFL be so exposed that, you know, when you get away from the networks that need you to the people that don't need you, um, you know, do will there just be an exposure for them that they don't consider that comes back to bite them down the road?
32:43
SPEAKER_01: Don't know.
32:44
SPEAKER_01: I also I also think there is there's another issue here, which is that there's uh a lot of emphasis and a lot of pressure on the NFL to remain on the networks because they're public airwaves and to be ostensibly free.
33:00
SPEAKER_01: I think there's gonna be a lot of pressure on the networks to make sure that the ABC, NBC Fox, whom CBS, they all have a chunk or they all have a piece of the NFL, which is gonna mean that streamers are probably not gonna get the prime selection of games.
33:19
SPEAKER_01: They don't right now.
33:20
SPEAKER_01: They're certainly not gonna get the prime selection of games, but they're also probably gonna have to pony up a little bit more for games if they want them, because they won't be able to compete on the broader packages.
33:30
unknown: Right.
33:30
SPEAKER_00: Now do you think that that means that uh how does that work where they go, there has to be a minimum number of games on the networks?
33:37
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think there's gonna be because there's a whole bunch, you know, the the the broadcasting act and the fact that you know the the networks are on public airwaves, all of that, there's gonna be a lot of pressure, political pressure and other pressure for the NFL to remain, you know, free that make sure the games remain mostly free.
33:59
SPEAKER_01: That's why you're not gonna see, although I think you'll see this the Super Bowl is ABC and ESPN this year, I believe.
34:07
SPEAKER_01: Right, correct.
34:07
SPEAKER_01: Um or is it or is it ESPN only?
34:10
SPEAKER_01: Is it ABC?
34:11
SPEAKER_01: Is it ESPN?
34:12
SPEAKER_01: So is ABC doesn't have it?
34:14
SPEAKER_00: No, it's ESPN.
34:15
SPEAKER_01: All right, so that's a big deal, if that's the case, because that's on a paid platform.
34:20
SPEAKER_00: Although, because of that, they'll probably show it on ABC.
34:23
SPEAKER_01: I'm guessing it'll be on A.
34:24
SPEAKER_01: I I should have looked that up.
34:25
SPEAKER_01: I hadn't really thought about it, but you know, um, but I think that's a big deal.
34:30
SPEAKER_01: Uh and the fact that there were some playoff games that went on, I know there's a playoff game each of the last two years on Peacock, for example.
34:37
SPEAKER_01: Uh, that's again a paid, a paid platform.
34:39
SPEAKER_02: Right.
34:40
SPEAKER_01: Um, but but even the Amazon games on Thursday nights, those go on in the local markets over the Seattle, you know, one of the Seattle local ABC, NBC, CBS affiliates, I don't recall who, will get that game, will run that game even though it's on Amazon Prime.
34:58
SPEAKER_02: Right.
34:58
SPEAKER_01: You know, so there's there's pressure and an impetus to remain on the public airwaves.
35:03
SPEAKER_01: Um, but I don't think that's gonna slow down the amount of money that they get because Fox or CBS without NFL, I don't know what else I have.
35:14
SPEAKER_01: Name, name, name three primetime shows on Fox.
35:18
SPEAKER_01: Name one primetime show on Fox.
35:21
SPEAKER_00: Uh, here's the reality, man.
35:22
SPEAKER_00: I haven't watched network TV literally in forever.
35:26
SPEAKER_00: Except for sports.
35:27
SPEAKER_00: Except for except for sports.
35:29
unknown: Literally.
35:30
SPEAKER_01: And that's my point.
35:31
SPEAKER_01: That's that's the whole point.
35:32
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean, I literally can't name you anything that comes on network TV, because I literally don't watch.
35:38
SPEAKER_00: I'm either watching uh you know Netflix or Hulu or Apple TV or something.
35:45
SPEAKER_00: I'm not watching network TV at all.
35:48
SPEAKER_01: So network network TV has essentially become, and I I'm stealing this line from uh a Wall Street analyst, but but some of these networks have become distributors of NFL football.
35:57
SPEAKER_01: That's really what they are right now.
36:00
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
36:01
SPEAKER_00: That's what gets all their ratings and all their numbers.
36:04
unknown: Okay.
36:05
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
36:05
SPEAKER_00: Now, bottom line for me, man, is uh the NFL is King Kong.
36:10
SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
36:11
SPEAKER_00: I we we talked a little bit how they distance themselves, man, but they're I don't see I think they're just gonna run away and continue to stomp the rest of the leagues.
36:19
SPEAKER_00: I don't know how I don't know what would ever slow them down.
36:22
SPEAKER_01: But bottom, there's a number of things that could slow them down, which I which are, but I don't think we should get into that now, but including like injuries, including long-term effects of of the game.
36:34
SPEAKER_00: Uh okay, that was in the back of my head.
36:37
SPEAKER_00: I was thinking something much more tragic.
36:39
SPEAKER_01: Oh overexposure.
36:41
SPEAKER_01: What were you thinking?
36:42
SPEAKER_00: No, like, you know, because all these people there's no coincidence that all these people are getting ALS, all these football players are getting ALS.
36:50
SPEAKER_00: The Chris Johnson story is hard to and that number's only going to get bigger and larger in the next 10 years.
36:57
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
36:58
SPEAKER_00: And so that, you know, and then then it says, how long before people.
37:03
SPEAKER_00: The thing is, how long is that, or what does that take for people for the trickle-down effect to be, oh, my kid can't play football, you know, and I don't know how long that takes.
37:14
SPEAKER_00: And in some places like Texas, where I grew up, you know, I don't know, they'll be the last ones to the party.
37:20
SPEAKER_01: It's it's there, there's an old sort of cliche that that change happens slowly, yeah, and then all at once.
37:27
SPEAKER_01: Right.
37:27
SPEAKER_01: You know, and so I think what that'll happen in football where it's gonna happen slowly, where people are gonna start to say, huh, this this is a violent game, and a lot of people are getting hurt.
37:36
SPEAKER_01: And they're not just getting hurt for the short term, they're getting hurt for the long term.
37:39
unknown: Right.
37:40
SPEAKER_01: And then one day that change is gonna be, everybody's gonna think that.
37:44
SPEAKER_01: Now, I think we're years and years away from that.
37:46
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
37:47
SPEAKER_01: But uh, but the bottom line for me is that one of the biggest sports stories of the next 12 months, aside from the uh labor, potential labor strife with uh Major League Baseball, one of the biggest sports stories in the next 12 months is gonna be the staggering amount of money that the NFL negotiates to renegotiates its next media deals.
38:13
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I can get down with that.
38:14
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38:20
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38:22
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38:25
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38:26
SPEAKER_00: Um Ohio State is getting a patch sooner or later.
38:32
SPEAKER_00: Uh I think it's closer to sooner than later.
38:35
SPEAKER_00: Patch on their jersey.
38:37
SPEAKER_00: I don't care because we're in the NIL period now.
38:40
SPEAKER_00: Um NFL teams have, I mean, NBA teams have patches on their jerseys.
38:46
SPEAKER_00: NASCAR's been doing it for years, golfers have been doing it for years.
38:50
SPEAKER_00: Um it's it's the way it's another revenue stream.
38:53
SPEAKER_00: It's going to happen.
38:54
SPEAKER_00: So I'm not I'm past the uh tradition, they shouldn't do it.
38:59
SPEAKER_00: Hey man, running backs cost two million dollars these days.
39:04
SPEAKER_01: Except if you're from Tennessee, then you cost a lot more.
39:07
SPEAKER_01: But but uh but the sponsorship patch uh is inevitable.
39:13
SPEAKER_01: And I'm also not a traditionalist or or a purist.
39:17
SPEAKER_01: It's because college football is essentially a professional sport right now, so of course you can get it.
39:23
SPEAKER_01: Um and I didn't know what raccouten was until uh the Golden State Warriors started wearing a racket patch on their on their jerseys.
39:31
SPEAKER_01: I still don't understand what it does, but I just I've heard of it because of the patch.
39:35
SPEAKER_01: And I think it's pretty I think it's pretty effective.
39:37
SPEAKER_01: And you know, you you're right.
39:38
SPEAKER_01: You look at look at tennis, look at golf, you look at NASCAR as the one that's most in your face.
39:47
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
39:48
SPEAKER_01: Bowling?
39:48
SPEAKER_01: It's it's bowling.
39:50
SPEAKER_01: Is that true?
39:51
SPEAKER_00: Bowling that Yeah, man, they got patches all over their little bowling shirts.
39:55
SPEAKER_01: You know, I saw this Australian guy who was bowling with two hands.
40:00
SPEAKER_01: And again, I I don't know.
40:02
SPEAKER_01: I didn't like that, but that's that's neither here nor there.
40:05
SPEAKER_01: Uh but uh yeah, but I think it's inevitable, and I think it's the beginning.
40:09
SPEAKER_01: And I think Ohio State, it's not confirmed yet, though, although somebody I I think you sent me a post of somebody on on Twitter who posted an image of an Ohio State player wearing a jersey that appeared to show a patch from Chase Bank.
40:23
SPEAKER_00: Right.
40:24
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and who knows?
40:26
SPEAKER_00: Chase Chase just and uh uh just put a patch on a Mavericks jersey like a week ago or two weeks ago.
40:35
SPEAKER_01: Oh, that's that's interesting.
40:37
SPEAKER_01: Um so So what what brand if you could pick a brand that you would like to see on an Ohio State jersey and a brand that you wouldn't like to see on Ohio State jersey?
40:50
SPEAKER_01: Is there any brand that you would say, man, that would be that would be a great brand to have, or another brand saying, I I can't have that?
40:56
SPEAKER_00: You know, OnlyFans should be one of my answers.
41:00
SPEAKER_00: I'm not sure which one.
41:02
SPEAKER_00: Um if if uh I would put Apple on on my jersey.
41:09
SPEAKER_00: Oh, that would be a good brand.
41:11
SPEAKER_00: I mean, that would be the best one.
41:15
SPEAKER_00: And uh what I wouldn't put is some kind of uh uh I couldn't be an athletic team and have you know like a like hostess Twinkies, you know, or uh uh or some kind of dessert, some kind of sugary uh drink.
41:31
SPEAKER_00: Oh, that makes sense.
41:32
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
41:32
SPEAKER_00: As an athletic team striving to achieve greatness, I wouldn't want that on my jersey.
41:38
SPEAKER_00: That's my serious answer.
41:39
SPEAKER_00: Only fans is my non-serious answer.
41:41
SPEAKER_01: But but that's a good the the the sugar thing is that's a good answer.
41:44
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but but but like any any college team, if if hostess twinkies uh came out and said we'll uh we'll pay uh you know 20 million a year to wear that patch, you're gonna have a lot of people.
41:59
SPEAKER_01: You have a little twinky on your shoulder.
42:00
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
42:01
SPEAKER_00: Now see, I do believe this.
42:04
SPEAKER_00: I think at some point, some point, I don't know what the point is, some point you have to take a stand.
42:11
SPEAKER_00: Because if Twinkies or Ding Dongs is gonna pay you 20 million, well somebody else is paying you 18.
42:19
SPEAKER_00: And at some point you have to say, you know what?
42:21
SPEAKER_00: 18 is enough.
42:23
SPEAKER_00: I I don't want these Twinkies on my jersey.
42:26
SPEAKER_00: You know what I'm saying?
42:27
SPEAKER_00: Like, for example, if you talk about Ohio State, they lost out apparently on a big big time recruit running back today, the best running back in the nation.
42:36
SPEAKER_00: And apparently, reportedly, Tennessee paid him$2 million a year and allowed him to wear the number zero, which I guess is his deal.
42:45
SPEAKER_00: Well, of course, Ohio State just started this tradition about the block, oh blah, blah, blah.
42:50
SPEAKER_00: You can't want a running back enough to go, you know what, we're gonna suspend tradition for a couple years.
42:56
SPEAKER_00: Why at some point you you gotta take a stand on something?
43:00
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he he was going to Tennessee anyway.
43:02
SPEAKER_01: I think that was an excuse for Ohio State to not get him, but that's neither here nor there.
43:06
SPEAKER_01: Uh most importantly, this is a question you know, I probably should have asked you uh a long time ago.
43:12
SPEAKER_01: When's the last time you ate a Twinkie?
43:15
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
43:18
SPEAKER_00: It's probably been 30, 40, 50 years.
43:21
SPEAKER_01: Really?
43:23
SPEAKER_00: But it's funny you say that because Twinkies were my mother's favorite bad bad dessert.
43:32
SPEAKER_00: I never got into those.
43:34
SPEAKER_00: And so uh no.
43:38
SPEAKER_00: For while I liked uh little Debbie's like Nick Saban.
43:41
SPEAKER_01: Right.
43:42
SPEAKER_01: Has has AJ ever eaten a Twinkie?
43:45
SPEAKER_00: Oh no.
43:46
SPEAKER_00: Now you gotta remember, as a fat kid, I tried to keep all that away from him.
43:50
SPEAKER_02: Oh, right, right, right.
43:51
SPEAKER_00: I was a fat kid, so I didn't want my son to be a fat kid, so I I was a food star.
43:58
SPEAKER_00: It was at times it was a bit unrealistic.
44:00
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
44:02
SPEAKER_00: But no, he was uh I'm trying to figure out if he was a junk food guy.
44:08
SPEAKER_00: Like my grandson eats a lot.
44:11
SPEAKER_00: He's a little bitty dude.
44:13
SPEAKER_00: Got great metabolism.
44:15
SPEAKER_00: But he doesn't like he's not really a junk food guy.
44:18
SPEAKER_00: Now he likes, and I'm saying like sweets and cookies, and he likes pizza and nachos and that kind of junk food.
44:24
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
44:25
SPEAKER_00: But uh my son, he was more of a real food junkie, wasn't necessarily a sweets guy.
44:33
SPEAKER_01: That's good.
44:34
SPEAKER_01: I I don't know if I honestly don't know if my kids have ever eaten Twinkies.
44:39
SPEAKER_01: I don't have any idea.
44:40
SPEAKER_00: Did you have, but see, here's the deal.
44:42
SPEAKER_00: In a lot of cases, did you have that kind of stuff around the house?
44:45
SPEAKER_01: We did not.
44:46
SPEAKER_00: No.
44:46
SPEAKER_00: What kind of junk food, Mr.
44:48
SPEAKER_00: Mr.
44:48
SPEAKER_00: Golden Kiwi?
44:49
SPEAKER_00: What kind of junk food do you have?
44:50
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I love golden kiwis.
44:51
SPEAKER_01: I eat golden kiwis every day.
44:53
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's my favorite food.
44:54
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
44:54
SPEAKER_00: Every time I go to Costco and see a golden kiwi, I think.
44:57
SPEAKER_01: Have you tried one yet or not?
44:58
SPEAKER_00: No, because they're ugly.
45:01
SPEAKER_00: I like my fruit to be attractive.
45:03
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, okay.
45:04
SPEAKER_00: What can I say?
45:05
SPEAKER_01: You know, we could take that line out of context very easily, but uh yeah.
45:12
SPEAKER_01: No, we had like my wife uh uh likes to like cook and bake and stuff.
45:17
SPEAKER_01: So whatever she would cook or bake, you know, Charlie.
45:21
SPEAKER_00: So she had homemade treats around us.
45:22
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but it was all like healthy, you know.
45:24
SPEAKER_01: Um everything was like very healthy in our in our house, and somehow I still managed to be fat, so I don't know what now.
45:31
SPEAKER_00: My wife is the opposite.
45:34
SPEAKER_00: She buys these big things of MMs, but she eats them four at a time.
45:40
SPEAKER_01: I I could never do that.
45:42
SPEAKER_00: I I I I was like, what are you doing?
45:45
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'll go over there and then literally there'll be five in MMs on a on a napkin.
45:50
SPEAKER_01: Do you know what my wife did this week?
45:53
SPEAKER_01: She she likes these uh frozen yogurt bars called Yasso, Y-A-S-S-O.
46:00
SPEAKER_01: I don't know if you ever had them.
46:01
SPEAKER_01: There's these frozen yogurt, like they're there's a little like you know, they look like the old good humor things or the haggadas.
46:07
SPEAKER_01: And and they're like 150, 200, you know, 100 to 150 calories each.
46:13
SPEAKER_01: She ate half of one and put it back and like ate another half of it.
46:20
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I couldn't.
46:21
SPEAKER_01: I can never do that, man.
46:22
SPEAKER_01: I can never I I I could eat, I would eat the entire box.
46:24
SPEAKER_01: That's why I don't keep, I just don't keep anything in the house.
46:27
SPEAKER_00: See, I'm like you, I don't keep it in the house.
46:29
SPEAKER_00: And if I want something, I uh I'll buy the individual package, eat it, and I've been known to throw it away.
46:38
SPEAKER_00: Like, okay, that's that's it, that's all I can have.
46:41
SPEAKER_01: So yeah, no, I I I I know people I know people like that.
46:44
SPEAKER_00: But I'm better off if I just don't have it.
46:46
SPEAKER_01: Right.
46:47
SPEAKER_01: Back to the Ohio State patch in the uniform.
46:50
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I forgot about it.
46:51
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
46:51
SPEAKER_01: I look, I I think I think they're gonna get Kroger as the patch, you know, which is the the grocery store.
46:58
SPEAKER_01: Because they're they're they're a big sponsor, but the best patch that they could have had to me.
47:03
SPEAKER_01: You're you spent what five or six years in Columbus in total?
47:07
SPEAKER_00: Skyline Chili Patch.
47:09
SPEAKER_01: Skyline Skyline Chili Cincinnati.
47:11
SPEAKER_01: No, do you remember a grocery store in Columbus called Big Bear?
47:17
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
47:18
SPEAKER_01: That would be the single best patch they could prop possibly have.
47:21
SPEAKER_01: But Big Bear doesn't exist anymore, unfortunately.
47:24
SPEAKER_00: I was gonna say I lived in Victorian Village.
47:26
SPEAKER_00: There was Big Bear right on the corner of the city.
47:27
SPEAKER_00: Oh, I know exactly.
47:28
SPEAKER_01: I know exactly that big bear.
47:30
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
47:31
SPEAKER_01: Oh, you live you live right near Wendy, right?
47:33
SPEAKER_01: Because Wendy was in Victoria Village.
47:35
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
47:35
SPEAKER_01: One of our one of our mutual friends, yeah.
47:38
SPEAKER_01: So um, yeah.
47:40
SPEAKER_01: Oh.
47:41
SPEAKER_00: Bottom line for me, man.
47:42
SPEAKER_00: More money, more money, more money.
47:44
SPEAKER_00: Get all the patches you need, fellas.
47:46
SPEAKER_00: We got a big roster to to pay for.
47:48
SPEAKER_01: But bottom line for me, I just wish they would bring Big Bear back.
47:53
SPEAKER_01: I miss Big Bear.
47:56
SPEAKER_00: But they used to have a food line in in Texas, too.
47:59
SPEAKER_01: It's yeah, you know, but food line, the food line is one thing.
48:03
SPEAKER_01: Big Bear is so much better.
48:05
SPEAKER_00: Such a better I need to, I'm gonna I gotta look it up now.
48:08
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