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Two-timing nurse poisons hubby after sex-trysts behind bars with convicted killer? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Authorities found Joshua Murray dead
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  Speaker 1: in a house fire on December eleventh. Their home on
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  Speaker 1: Jamas Street in Iberia is still standing. Miller County Sheriff
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  Speaker 1: Louie Gregory tells me the fire was contained to the
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  Speaker 1: master bedroom. That's where Joshua was found dead, his body
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  Speaker 1: in the bed, both heavily damaged by fire. You heard it,
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  Speaker 1: Joshua Murray found dead in his bed, not from a
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  Speaker 1: heart attack, not from a stroke, but apparently from a
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  Speaker 1: house fire. But it is all as it seems. I'm
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  Speaker 1: Nancy Grace, this is crime Stories. Thank you for being
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  Speaker 1: with us. To John Limley, crime online dot com. Investigative reporter,
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  Speaker 1: something stinks here with me to make sense of it.
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  Speaker 1: Renowned medical examiner, author of American Narcan and you can
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  Speaker 1: find that on Amazon. Doctor William Moroney, Jessice Scott Morgan,
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  Speaker 1: forensics expert, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author of Blood
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  Speaker 1: Beneath My Feet on Amazon. Judge lawyer anchor Ashley Wilcott.
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  Speaker 1: You can find her at Ashley Wilcot dot com. Back
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  Speaker 1: to John Limley with Crime Online dot com. John, Let's
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  Speaker 1: start at the beginning. What happened? Well, Nancy, you mentioned
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  Speaker 1: that something stinks with this story, and it begins with
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  Speaker 1: the smell of smoke at this fatal house fire in Iberia, Missouri.
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  Speaker 1: This is right on the edge of the Ozarks. It
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  Speaker 1: happened at a residence on Janice Drive just after one
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  Speaker 1: am on Tuesday, December eleventh. When first responders from the
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  Speaker 1: Iberia Rural Fire Protection District arrived on the scene, there
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  Speaker 1: was already heavy smoke coming from the house. Firefighters entered
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  Speaker 1: the building, and, as they always do during a blaze,
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  Speaker 1: they conducted a search to see if anyone is still inside.
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  Speaker 1: It's not long before they did find someone, but it
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  Speaker 1: was way too late to save him. The body belonged
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  Speaker 1: to a man later identified as Joshua Murray too. Doctor
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  Speaker 1: William Maroney joining us. He is around medical examiner and
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  Speaker 1: author of American Narkent. Doctor Maroney, how many victims? How
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  Speaker 1: many deceased people have you diagnosed? Have you studied? Have
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  Speaker 1: you examined that died after a fire? Probably less than
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  Speaker 1: a hundred, but they're all very after a fire. In autopsy,
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  Speaker 1: they all look the same. There's carbon particles, in the
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  Speaker 1: no schools and in the esophagus and the lungs, And
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  Speaker 1: it's very different than somebody who's had twenty or thirty
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  Speaker 1: years of smoking. And the man you just triggered a memory.
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  Speaker 1: The other night, I was asleep, doctor Moroney, and I
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  Speaker 1: woke up thinking about singed naire's. I just found out
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  Speaker 1: in nair as a word beside a hair removal, it's
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  Speaker 1: the hair in your nose. And what this was was
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  Speaker 1: a guy that totally murdered his wife. He set a
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  Speaker 1: house fire with accelerant and burned down his mansion. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: when the cops and the EMTs pulled up, he was
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  Speaker 1: across the street, fully dressed. Has happened in the middle
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  Speaker 1: of the nine His wife had on a ninety He's
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  Speaker 1: fully dressed, belt, wallet, everything, lounging romanesque in the front store,
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  Speaker 1: neighbor's yard, and they go what happened? And he gives
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  Speaker 1: a whole story, and then he goes, oh, yeah, my
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  Speaker 1: wife's in there. I mean, right then, I knew he
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  Speaker 1: killed her all right, right then when he did that.
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  Speaker 1: But long story short, some of the evidence included singed
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  Speaker 1: nasal hairs because he let it with accelerant and when
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  Speaker 1: it blew up, it sings the hair in his nose,
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  Speaker 1: and he tried to explain that as a backfire with
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  Speaker 1: the grill. But nothing else was singed, his arms, his clothes,
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  Speaker 1: his hands, nothing except his nasal hairs. So I woke
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  Speaker 1: up in the middle of the night thinking about that guy.
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  Speaker 1: Sorry for the diversion, doctor William Moroney. Back back to you. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I've had singed nasal hairs myself when I was a fireman,
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  Speaker 1: and the smell sits with you. But it smells like
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  Speaker 1: burning bodies in a house too. It's a very sensual thing,
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  Speaker 1: burning hair, burning skin. You have it all together, and
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  Speaker 1: when you go to auta see it still smells the same.
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  Speaker 1: But before people, if people die before the fire in
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  Speaker 1: the auchop, you don't okay, wait wait wait wait wait wait, sorry,
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  Speaker 1: sorry guys, doctor Moroney. After I tried that case, my car, me,
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  Speaker 1: my trial clothes, everything smelled because I would carry the
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  Speaker 1: evidence with me everywhere I went so no one would
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  Speaker 1: tamper with it. I kept it with me. Everything about
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  Speaker 1: me smelled, my hair, and it wasn't just like, oh
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  Speaker 1: that smells like somebody burning leaves. It's a funky, dank,
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  Speaker 1: burning smell. I can't really describe it. You'd have to
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  Speaker 1: smell it because I can't really think of anything to
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  Speaker 1: compare it to. But when you're saying that smell, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I know what you mean. Plastic and barbecue and dirt. Dirt, Yeah, yeah, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: go ahead. So when people die because of the fire,
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  Speaker 1: it's there. The fire injures the body. There's many different
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  Speaker 1: things that we see. We can see singed eyebrows, we
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  Speaker 1: can see burnt skin or hair on the arms, exposed
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  Speaker 1: outside of clothes, shirts, but inside you know that they
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  Speaker 1: were alive in the fire because they've taken in carbonized
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  Speaker 1: charcoal particles. Because there's singed parts of the esophagus. And
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  Speaker 1: that's how you know somebody was alive in a fire
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  Speaker 1: and they died because of the gas and the superheated
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  Speaker 1: air and the damage done to the body. If a
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  Speaker 1: body is found in a fire and an autopsy that's missing,
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  Speaker 1: that body was dead before the fire was started. So
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  Speaker 1: if you don't find that in his lungs, he did
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  Speaker 1: not dive smoke inhalation, that's exactly right. Okay, you know,
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  Speaker 1: Wilcot judge and lawyer. You can find her at su
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  Speaker 1: Wilcott dot com. You know, you see cases all the time.
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  Speaker 1: Have you ever seen a case where something was off
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  Speaker 1: and you couldn't really put your finger on it. You
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  Speaker 1: didn't know what it was, but something was just wrong
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  Speaker 1: and it turned out that it was absolutely I see
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  Speaker 1: that a lot as a judge, because these cases come
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  Speaker 1: before us. Some people have versions of what happened and
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  Speaker 1: in your gut, and I always say trust your gut.
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  Speaker 1: And it's like, that doesn't sound right, you know, to
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  Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan, you're the forensics expert, you know, and
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  Speaker 1: author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon. There I
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  Speaker 1: did at Joe Scott. Joe Scott, let me talk to
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  Speaker 1: you a second about crime scenes. You know, there's just
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  Speaker 1: nothing like walking onto a fresh crime scene. Well, hopefully
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  Speaker 1: that nobody's contaminated and messed up. But when you walk
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  Speaker 1: onto a crime scene, it's like you're reading the best
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  Speaker 1: book you've ever read, you're watching the best movie you've
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  Speaker 1: ever watched. You're taking everything in. There's a heightened sense,
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  Speaker 1: or at least with me, there is, because everything matters.
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  Speaker 1: The light switch, the footprints, the way that the carpet
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  Speaker 1: is rubbed one way or the other. Are the curtains,
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  Speaker 1: the blinds, is the bed made? Is this is that
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  Speaker 1: there is a stove on? Is there food in the scene?
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  Speaker 1: I mean everything matters, every little detail. Does it smell
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  Speaker 1: like coffee? Does it smell like food from last night?
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  Speaker 1: Does it smell like booze? Does it smell like um drugs?
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  Speaker 1: Does it smell like a fire? Does it smell like accelerant?
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  Speaker 1: Tell me what you would be looking for in an
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  Speaker 1: arson scene, a fire like the one where Joshua Murray
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  Speaker 1: was found dead in his bed, because unless he was
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  Speaker 1: a smoker, why would he be dead in his bed?
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  Speaker 1: And you can tell by the degree of burn where
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  Speaker 1: the fire started. For instance, is his bedroom more destroyed
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  Speaker 1: than the rest of the house, Like as you get
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  Speaker 1: to the living room, it's everything intact except smoke damage,
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  Speaker 1: but his room is totally burned out. That's how you
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  Speaker 1: tell where a fire starts. You go to the worst point,
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  Speaker 1: the point of the worst damage in a fire. But
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  Speaker 1: tell me what you'd be looking for. Why would this
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  Speaker 1: have started in his room? Yeah, that's the big question
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  Speaker 1: with all of these, there are a mystery and fireedesks
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  Speaker 1: in particular, arson cases are particularly difficult. You know how
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  Speaker 1: much I hate it when somebody does that. I go,
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  Speaker 1: tell me what you're looking for, and you go, that's
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  Speaker 1: the question. I know, that's the question. I want you
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  Speaker 1: to give me the answer. Here's the answer. What we're
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  Speaker 1: going to be looking for, our investigators going to be
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  Speaker 1: looking for. You've already you've already kind of firted out
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  Speaker 1: the fact that it was in the bedroom. Specifically, we're
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  Speaker 1: going to go to the area that has the most
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  Speaker 1: damage within the bedroom. That's going to be the point
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  Speaker 1: of origin. Many times, let's say, for instance, that it
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  Speaker 1: started in a particular corner and someone used an agent
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  Speaker 1: like an accelerant, gasoline, this sort of thing. There's going
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  Speaker 1: to be a point where that the highest concentration of
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  Speaker 1: damage will will occur, and it will be the most charred,
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  Speaker 1: it'll be the most blackened, and sometimes sometimes it'll even
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  Speaker 1: burn burn through the wall into the exterior wall. So
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  Speaker 1: that's one of the things that we're going to be
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  Speaker 1: looking for. Their home on Jamas Street in Iberia is
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  Speaker 1: still standing. Miller County Sheriff Louis Gregory tells me the
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  Speaker 1: fire was contained to the master bedroom. That's where Joshua
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  Speaker 1: was found dead. His body and the bed both heavily
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  Speaker 1: damaged by fire. The State Fire Marshal's office determined it
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  Speaker 1: was arson. The Fire Marshal's Office head of Canine that
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  Speaker 1: they've done an area sniff of the exact location where
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  Speaker 1: they believe the fire started and it indicated there was
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  Speaker 1: an accelerants used. That's right. The State Fire Marshal's office
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  Speaker 1: there in Iberia and the Miller County Sheriff's department determined
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  Speaker 1: an accelerant was used start the fire in the master bedroom.
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  Speaker 1: Joshua Joshua Murray was found in the room on the bed,
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  Speaker 1: but an autopsy determined so he did not die of
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  Speaker 1: smoke inhalation. Let's talk about Joshua Murray for just one moment.
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  Speaker 1: We know that he was not a smoker. What type
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  Speaker 1: of accelerant could be used to you, doctor Moroney? Could
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  Speaker 1: it be, for instance, alcohol, Could it be rubbing alcohol.
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  Speaker 1: Could it be acetone which is found in fingernail polish remover.
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  Speaker 1: Could it be shoe polish which has acetone in it?
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  Speaker 1: What are the common things you find in a home
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  Speaker 1: that would start a fire. The most important thing, the
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  Speaker 1: easiest to access thing you could buy that would work,
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  Speaker 1: is an alcohol of a high enough concentration and thinks
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  Speaker 1: like shoe pola should work, but it's it's thick, it's sticky,
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  Speaker 1: it's messy, and you never know if if it would spread. Well,
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  Speaker 1: you want something that's gonna catch a lot of different
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  Speaker 1: fabric that you can throw on the walls, that you
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  Speaker 1: can throw on the bed sheets, that you can throw
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  Speaker 1: on the carpet, because a body really needs to burn
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  Speaker 1: at eight hundred to one thousand degrees for four or
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  Speaker 1: five hours before it's indistinguishable. We really have a lot
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  Speaker 1: of people to try to burn bodies that destroy evidence
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  Speaker 1: and they don't know jack about how long it takes
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  Speaker 1: to cook at lower temperatures. It takes days. Your crematorium
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  Speaker 1: runs sixteen hundred and that fuel is liquid propane, it's
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  Speaker 1: gas jet fired in a container design. Once you have
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  Speaker 1: a house that's designed to not burn, that's the thing
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  Speaker 1: is we build things today to not burn and be
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  Speaker 1: flame returned. The other easier thing would be lighter fluid
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  Speaker 1: from the gas grill or gasoline. But the problem with
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  Speaker 1: gasoline is you would have to ask yourself what the
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  Speaker 1: hell is that doing in the bedroom? Can I sail? Well?
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  Speaker 1: I think you did. But here's an important clue to me,
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  Speaker 1: Remember how I was talking about And I'm gonna say
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  Speaker 1: this to Joseph Scott, Morgan forensics expert, Joe Scott, this
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  Speaker 1: is something that really struck me. When cops go into
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  Speaker 1: the home, they find a McDonald's sandwich on the kitchen
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  Speaker 1: counter in the home, and they find a McDonald's food
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  Speaker 1: bag in the trash. Now, I know that may not
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  Speaker 1: seem like anything important, but the family did not go
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  Speaker 1: out to McDonald's the night before or that morning. That
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  Speaker 1: did not happen. So is that doing on the kitchen
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  Speaker 1: counter and in the trash can now that kind of clue.
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  Speaker 1: Some people may not even notice it, But to me,
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  Speaker 1: that's significant. Joe Scott, Yeah, it can be because anything
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  Speaker 1: that runs outside the norm of what normally happens is
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  Speaker 1: going to be an indicator that there's something has happened
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  Speaker 1: within that within that environment that has changed, something that
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  Speaker 1: somebody has gone outside the realm of their their standard
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  Speaker 1: behavior relative to their family life and the life within
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  Speaker 1: that home. Well, to John Limley, what did we find out?
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  Speaker 1: And you know, I've been waiting to say this, loving
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  Speaker 1: it about McDonald's. Amy actually took her eleven year old
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  Speaker 1: son and their two dogs to the McDonald's drive through
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  Speaker 1: in o Sage Beach. Wait a minute, Wait a minute,
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  Speaker 1: What time did the wife, Amy Murray, take the children,
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  Speaker 1: take the son and the dogs to McDonald's. What time
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  Speaker 1: was that McDonald's video shows eleven forty eight pm when
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  Speaker 1: they're in the drive through, And what time did the
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  Speaker 1: fire start? That we can estimate they think just within
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  Speaker 1: minutes of one o'clock one am, one am. The fire
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  Speaker 1: happens and she's out at McDonald's around midnight. I want
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  Speaker 1: to circle back to doctor William Moroney and Joe Scott
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  Speaker 1: Morgan regarding timing, how you can time when a fire
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  Speaker 1: started and room for error on either side, but on
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  Speaker 1: a common sense level. To Ashley Wilcott, judge and lawyer
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  Speaker 1: anchor at Ashley Wilcot dot com. Ashley, when I was trying,
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  Speaker 1: I started trying more and more Arson cases because I
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  Speaker 1: became fascinated with trying to prove them. They're very difficult
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  Speaker 1: to prove, and I'll tell you why. Number One, you
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  Speaker 1: have to convince a jury that a crime actually happened,
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  Speaker 1: that this was no accident. I mean it can be
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  Speaker 1: said it was electrical, it was a cigarette, it was this.
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  Speaker 1: It was that it was the Christmas tree. There's a
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  Speaker 1: million reasons you can say a fire start that our innocent,
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  Speaker 1: although deadly reasons for home fire. But I started thinking
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  Speaker 1: through all the you know, the scientific evidence in that
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  Speaker 1: particular Artson case where the man killed his wife, and
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  Speaker 1: I thought, you know, after I looked through the home,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't see any of his suits or dress shirts.
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  Speaker 1: My investigator, Ernest, and I started close to the home
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  Speaker 1: and it was a mansion, and we started moving out,
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  Speaker 1: and we went to every dry cleaner, every dry cleaner,
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  Speaker 1: and finally we were getting out to about the three
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  Speaker 1: to four mile mark, we hit paid dirt because this guy,
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  Speaker 1: a very wealthy businessman in Atlanta, had taken every single
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  Speaker 1: dress shirt and suit to the cleaners two days before
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  Speaker 1: the fire broke out, every dress shirt, every suit he had.
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  Speaker 1: Also then I realized what else is missing from the home.
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  Speaker 1: We did a search one on his office, his warehouse
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  Speaker 1: and found trash bags full of belongings of family, photos
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  Speaker 1: of his side of the family, not his wife's, all
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  Speaker 1: hidden in his warehouse. We were there told two to
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  Speaker 1: three o'clock in the morning, sifting through what we were finding.
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  Speaker 1: We also found a device where he had been recording
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  Speaker 1: his wife, a piano teacher, with her new boyfriend. And
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  Speaker 1: I don't blame her for having a boyfriend for Pete's sake.
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  Speaker 1: But long story short, it's amazing what common sense evidence
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  Speaker 1: you find. And in this case, what's sticking out to me,
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  Speaker 1: Ashley is the dog. The two dogs went that late
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  Speaker 1: at night to McDonald's. She got the two dogs and
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  Speaker 1: her son out of the house and went to McDonald's
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  Speaker 1: and whoops of fire starts. So, Nancy, that's what I
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  Speaker 1: love about our justice system is not only for forensics,
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  Speaker 1: not only autopsy findings, but the common sense in the investigation.
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  Speaker 1: Because I completely agree with you, it is odd, especially
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  Speaker 1: at that hour you have kids. All of us who
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  Speaker 1: have kids know at eleven o'clock we don't typically run
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  Speaker 1: to McDonald's and get everything loaded into the car, especially
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  Speaker 1: the dogs. That one is a huge red flag for
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  Speaker 1: me as to what was she doing getting everything that's
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  Speaker 1: important except apparently maybe the husband out of the house. Well,
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  Speaker 1: this may shed some light on it. Two months after
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  Speaker 1: a man's body was found in a burned house in Iberia,
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  Speaker 1: his wife is now charged in his death. Investigators say
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  Speaker 1: Amy Murray's husband was poisoned. The medical examiner determined that
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  Speaker 1: Joshua Murray was already dead before that fire even started.
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  Speaker 1: Amy Murray is charged with first degree murder and armed
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  Speaker 1: criminal action. Now she's in the Miller County Adult Detention Center.
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  Speaker 1: Tonight Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. The Booton County Medical
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  Speaker 1: Examiner's Office determined Joshua didn't die in the fire. He
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  Speaker 1: likely died of poisoning from ethel and glycol often used
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  Speaker 1: as Anna Frieze. Investigators learned Amy was a nurse at
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  Speaker 1: Jefferson City Correctional Center and had a romantic relationship with
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  Speaker 1: an inmate. That inmate is behind bars for a second
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  Speaker 1: degree murder, and investigators found recorded conversations between Amy and
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  Speaker 1: that inmate through the prisons recording system where she talked
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  Speaker 1: about not wanting to be around Joshua and wanting a divorce.
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  Speaker 1: She later was heard saying that she could be with
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  Speaker 1: this inmate now that Joshua was gone. Okay, you are
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  Speaker 1: hearing our friends at k RCGTV Megan Sanchez, WHOA what
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  Speaker 1: a term of events? Straight out to doctor William Maroney,
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  Speaker 1: let me before I get to the gailhouse. Love affair
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  Speaker 1: his wife Joshua Murray's wife Amy had fallen in love
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: and apparently was having sex with I'll have to clear
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: that up with John Limley. An inmate named Eugene Claypool
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: behind bars for murder and just for context, he stabbed
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: a seventy one year old man dead who had won
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: the lottery about one point six million dollars. He stabbed
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: him dead. This is who she falls in love with,
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: like there aren't other men. That's what I always say,
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: doctor Moroney. I know that you're not a love counselor,
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: but I always say, with all the men walking around
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: their like buses, and new one comes by every fifteen minutes,
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: why do you have to pick a married one? And
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: in this case, why do you have to pick an
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: inmate behind bars for life on the murder of a
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: seventy one year old man. But that is a whole
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: nother can of worms, Maroney, let me talk to you
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: about ethyl glycol. Ethylene glycol is the most common type
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: of ana freeze used in vehicles, and it's also used
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: in formulation in some other household cleaners or or um
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: automotive products. The toxicity of ethylene glycol is such that
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: in approximately a tenth of a can of cocacola, the
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: size of the mechanic cocacola. A tenth of that pure
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: ethylene glycol will put you into a toxic frenzy. The
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: two organs that are damaged the most are the brain
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: and the kidney, and you will go into kidney failure.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: And the method of toxicity is it's a very small molecule.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: It's a teening kind it's like like the same size
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: as alcohol, very small. When it gets inside of you.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: The damage it creates is it creates crystal that do
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: not dissolve, and they are razors sharp. They cut and
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: damage functional tissue in the kidneys, and you can no
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: longer process toxins fluids. You go into a strong, fulminant
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: storm like kidney failure. And in the brain they make
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: you just make you dizzy. You can't walk, you lose
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: memory on things, you talk much like you're drunk. Because
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: it's the same size molecule. And the most interesting thing
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: to try to rid the body of ethylene glycol. One
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: of the antidotes is alcohol. If you can use alcohol
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: to suspend ethylene glycol and slowly metabolize it and take
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: it out of the system, The fact that it works
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: like that is because the two molecules are so similar.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: Alcohol toxicity and ethylene glycol toxicity are very similar, except
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: alcohol toxicity takes hours and days and years, and ethylene
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: glycol is almost Let me ask you a question, yes,
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: isn't it true that poisoned by antiphrase or ethyl glycol
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: is extremely extremely painful when you die of that? The
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: answer is it extremely painful because lethylene glycol creates razor
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: sharp crystals in the body, and it's like being stabbed
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: by a thousand nine. You know, it just pays me.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: It's one thing and bad enough to fall in love
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: with an inmate on murder of all the people in
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: the world, to kill your husband, but to kill him
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: in such a horrible manner. It's really painful. People scream
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: when they have been poisoned in this manner. They vomit.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: It's horrible stomach pains as these crystals are attaching to
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: your organs. To John Limley, what can you tell me
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: about this guy that she allegedly fell in love with?
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: It sounds like an eighth grade romance. Yeah, as you
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: might imagine, Eugene Claypool was not living in the Jefferson
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: City Correctional Facility because of a parking ticket. He, as
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: we've noted, had been behind bars for killing a disabled
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: seventy two year old man in two thousand. That victim,
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: Donald Hardwick, had made some big headlines for winning a
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: one point seven million dollar lottery prize in nineteen ninety eight.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: On Christmas Day two thousand, Claypool and another man broke
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: into this man's house in search of cash that they
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: believed he had their stored in the house. After Hardwick,
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: who incidentally relied on a walker to get around, woke
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: up and found the men in his home, the other
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: man restrained him while Claypool stabbed him to death. And
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: this is the truly horrific part. They left a Bible
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: on the victim's chest, and when his wife, Edna, got
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: up on Christmas morning, she noticed a broken kitchen window.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: She went to tell her husband, who slept in a
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: separate room, but that's when she found him dead. Oh,
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: Dear Lord in heaven. To Joseph Scott Morgan, forensics expert
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: author of Blood Beneath My Feet, talk about evidence to
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: find him stabbed dead with a bible on his chest,
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: and this is the guy she picks to fall in
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: love with. Yeah, you know what they say, the grass
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: is always greener over the septic tank. In this particular case,
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I don't I don't know what she's thinking. Uh.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: And you know she has this intimate relationship with him
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: in a correctional facility, Nancy, where she is a nurse.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait,
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan, you're so prim and proper an intimate relation.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: You mean they were doing it behind bars in the
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: gael and what Nancy? I mean, you know, keeping classy,
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: keeping classy amy. Yeah, no kids, Wait, hold on, hold on,
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: John Leley, is that right? How in the world is
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: a gail nurse getting to have sex with an inmate?
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: How does that happen? Good question, and it's I'm not
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: talking about eighth grade health class. I'm talking about strategically,
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: where do you go and not get caught? And it's
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: very interesting that Joe Scott use the term intimate because
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: that's the exact word that police used in the case
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: that they were having a long time intimate relationship. And
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: it's so interesting that they chose to do a lot
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: of their communicating back and forth when they weren't being
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: intimate using the Department of Corrections phone system, which is recorded. Idiots,
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: idiots to door. William Moroney, medical examiner, author of American Narcan,
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: which is awesome. How steepid can they be? Everybody knows
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: cause from cis are recorded. She's a nurse, for Pete's sake,
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: at the jail. All you gotta say is they do
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: it anywhere they can. They do it in closets, they
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: do it in showers, and when women are turned on
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: by people like this, it's almost inevitably his tattoos. That's
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: what did it? What do you think of that? Okay,
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to comment on that. To Joseph Scott Morgan.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: The question I asked Maroney and he chose to go
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: off in the direction of closet, showers and tattoos, is
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: that all inmate calls are recorded, and Limley is telling
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: us that they had this long phone relationship a long
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: time before they made physical contact. Yeah. Everything everything that
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: you do in these environments. I've investigated death sent them
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: on work cases that have immerged out of correctional facilities.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: Everything that happens within the walls is in fact recorded.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: And it's interesting that she's a healthcare professional in this environment, Nancy,
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: because she gets specific access to him relative to she could,
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: you know, treat him if you will, in a treatment area,
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: or she could ask for him to be a signed
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: to her specific area as like a worker. So they have,
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: let's just say, into intimate contact with these individuals. Two,
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: doctor William Maroney, Doctor Moroney, when you perform an autopsy
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: and you believe the guy has died in a house fire,
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: what leads you to check for crystals on their body organs?
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: Here's what's an important part of that. All autopsies are
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: accompanied with a toxicology panel. Those toxic panels are gonna
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: show you chemicals and drugs, just like ethylene glycol. But
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: as you it's maybe this is a little gross, But
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: you slice the kidney, and you slice the brain, and
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: you examine it on the table, and you'll see that
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: it's hemorrhaging. The kidneys hemorrhaging. You won't see as much
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: with the brain, and you'll ask yourself, why does this
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: hide all macerated and what does it look like meat
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: balls on the inside. Okay, yeah, you were right, that
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: was gross. Thank you. I can keep that in my
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: mental imagery all day. In addition to the wife having
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: sex with the inmate in those shower at the jail,
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: and the tattoos, thank you, Dotor Maroney so much now
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: and meatballs, yes, thank you, John Limley Crime online dot
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: Com investigative reporter. Okay, bring me forward so I can
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: get out of the shower stall and the tattoos and
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: the meatballs that the dark world Maroney has dragged me into. Limley,
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: what happens now? So how did they put this together? Well, interestingly,
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: those conversations we were talking about revealed a lot of
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: information about what they were hoping for in the future,
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: and that was marriage. This is Amy Murray and you
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: Jane marriage. They were he's behind bars for life on murder, right,
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: and they were even talking about getting an attorney for
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: Claypool so he could be released from prison early. Then
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: after Josh Murray is dead, Amy started talking very quickly
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: about getting married since her husband of some fifteen years
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: was now and these are her words, out of the picture. Okay,
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: Now there's a sentimental woman right now. Right there, He's
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: out of the picture. What was learned from all of
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: their hours and hours of phone calls in the jail,
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: John Limley, they were essentially plotting to get the husband
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: out of the way so that they could spend the
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: rest of their lives together. You know, to you, Jessica Morgan,
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: Frenzie's expert, how hard is it to retrieve those conversations? Oh,
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: I don't think that it would be difficult at all, Nancy.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: If the police had this individual under suspicion, he's you know,
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: he's already subject to control by the state erectional facility,
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: and the fact that she is an employee of this place,
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: she kind of you don't surrender your rights, but there's
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: a certain level of expectation you have and certain understanding
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: you have that you're not going to have privacy. And
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: the fact that she engaged in this behavior is amazing
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: to me because they can get such easy access to this.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: Back to you, John Lemley, Crime Online dot Com investigative reporter,
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: How did the whole thing unfold? So it all starts
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: with the medical examiner. When the medical examiner examines the
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: body of Joshua Murray, she finds out that he did
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: not die from smoke inhalation. Who's not burned alive? He
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: didn't die from his stroke or a heart attack. They
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: find ethel glycol crystals attached to his body parts, his kidneys,
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: and they know immediately that it was anti freeze poisoning.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: Then what happens well, as they link that with the
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: fire and her cell phone records, which very clearly give
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: a picture of her path that night, they can see
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: that well, as we pointed out, she's getting the eleven
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: year old and the two dogs out of the house,
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: which is very odd, very odd to be going to
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: McDonald's on a school night, near close to midnight, going
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: to that McDonald's, and then she returns just in time
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: to find the house full of smoke, the bedroom on fire.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: She says to police that she could not get inside
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: the residence because the smoke was too heavy. And also,
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: as we pointed out earlier, those McDonald's video cameras show
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: her at the McDonald's and the timing is just a
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: little too perfect to be purely coincidental. You know, doctor
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: William Moroney, you have been a witnesses so many cases.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: When they show that McDonald's video of her, the two dogs,
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: the eleven year old son going through the drive in,
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: I would want to say that as a garar over
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: and over and over because at that moment she knew
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: her husband was dying. At that moment, he's dying and
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: it's painful and it's toxic, and trying to cover it up.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: It's just not well thought out. Fire does not cleanse
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: and destroy the forensic evidence. By when his body went
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: to autopsy. In the first ten minutes of dissection, the
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: medical examiner knew that body did not die in a
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: fire based on gross examination, and later on we take
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: slices of every organ and send them off for microscopic analysis.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: There's toxicology done. Somebody knew that the sus homicide to
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: do the death certificate too. Joseph Scott Morgan forensics expert,
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon. Joe Scott,
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: what I find it very peculiar is that they McDonald's
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: bag was in the trash. That tells me before she
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: called police, she went in and actually throughout the McDonald's
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: bag because you remember Shelle cops she couldn't go in
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: because it was so smoky. Yeah. Yeah, that that is curious,
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: isn't it. And to doctor Moroney's point, this guy, if
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: he's not already did, is languishing in there. And one
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: of the things that I really wonder is is you
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: know how long down the road had this? How long
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: had she been applying this and freese to him? Was
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: it a slow build up? Was it? Did she dose
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: him like with this incredible amount? Because keep in mind,
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: you know, and freeze is sweet to the taste. That
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: that's why you know, there's like seven or eight states
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: that have required that that you that an ingredient to
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: go into it to make it taste better, so that
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: dogs and cats stay away from it, so that there's
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: an indication of what you're taking on this woman. This
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: picture she's painting here, just through their physical evidence really
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: shows that she has a total disregard for this guy
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: and that she's lying to the authorities. Eleven year old
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: boy now left without a dad. Mommy is in jail
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: and Murray charged with first degree murder in the death
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: of her husband, Joshua Murray, age thirty seven. This Missouri
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: prison nurse accused of poisoning and killing her husband with
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: anti freeze to marry her inmate lover, who was serving
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: time for murdering a seventy two year old lottery winner.
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: You know, it proves fact is stranger than fiction. We
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: wait as justice unfolds Nancy Grace crime story, signing off
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: goodbye friend,