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Steve Price | 21 June · Steve Price

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Speaker 1: Live. This is Steve Price.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to Friday Night's Steve Price with you.
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Speaker 2: And what a week it's been with the climate debate
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Speaker 2: reaching a new low even for a nation obsessed with
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Speaker 2: tearing itself apart over how to keep the Lights on?
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Speaker 2: Coming up on the show tonight, frightening youth crime statistics
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Speaker 2: in Melbourne that see a fifty two percent year on
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Speaker 2: year increase among ten and eleven year olds committing major offenses.
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Speaker 2: What's driving this horror show? We'll try and find out
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Speaker 2: for you, Campbell Newman, our Friday Night regular on the
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Speaker 2: Small Target, Opposition leader in Queensland, David Chris A Fooley
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Speaker 2: and his fence sitting.
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Speaker 1: Can you believe it? Around nuclear energy?
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Speaker 2: And what a week to be Australia's most talented cartoonist,
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Speaker 2: The Great Mart Knight takes us through the week in cartoons. First,
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Speaker 2: So tonight the juvenile anti nuclear scare mongering, using the
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Speaker 2: Simpsons cartoons to frighten people into thinking a nuclear reactor
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Speaker 2: in their community will produce three eyed fish and coals.
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Speaker 2: Not from the Greens, mind you, but from senior labor
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Speaker 2: figures on massive salaries. They should know better. Victorian Premier
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Speaker 2: to Center. Allen, whose only full time job outside politics
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Speaker 2: was as a checkout chicken a Cole supermarket, thought it
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Speaker 2: funny to portray three eyed fish floating around in Gippsland.
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Speaker 2: That was a way to enter the debate, she thought.
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Speaker 2: Sistant Treasurer Minister Andrew Lee jumped into the discussion, suggesting
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Speaker 2: that blinky Bill might end up three eyed as well.
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Speaker 2: Now wonder the nation's finances are in such a shambles,
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Speaker 2: I said on Kredlin yesterday. Whatever happened to the notion
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Speaker 2: that you could actually have a sensible, grown up, mature
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Speaker 2: discussion about something as vital to our future and our
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Speaker 2: children's future as where we get reliable baseload power to
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Speaker 2: come from to keep industry turning and the lights on. Now,
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Speaker 2: aside from reliable water, I don't know what could be
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Speaker 2: more important, but no mainland Australia is run by federal
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Speaker 2: and state labor politicians. Now after Peter Dutton dared to
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Speaker 2: suggest that alongside gas, hydro, solar and wind, it might
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Speaker 2: be a good idea to have a look at the
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Speaker 2: use of our vast reserves of uranium, which we currently
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Speaker 2: export around the world to feed nuclear power plants that
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Speaker 2: in the future would number seven. Well you would have
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Speaker 2: thought Dutton was suggesting we start manufacturing nuclear weapons, not
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Speaker 2: building power plants. And when you get a reaction like
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Speaker 2: we got from the state premiers, senior federal ministers and
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Speaker 2: leading business figures, you know you've hit a nerve. And
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Speaker 2: I think he has hit a nerve Peter Dutton. They
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Speaker 2: are not really worried about the safety aspects of nuclear
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Speaker 2: They know lived experience overseas proves that these things are safe. No,
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Speaker 2: what's got them all in a frenzy is the notion
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Speaker 2: that someone might slow the rush to renewables and like
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Speaker 2: wind turbines and solar farms that they're going to use
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Speaker 2: to carpet region and rule Australia because as you see overseas,
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Speaker 2: investors and rich Australian corporates have seen renewable investment grants
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Speaker 2: from the government and the rush to get these things
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Speaker 2: built as one big, massive cash cow. Always follow the money.
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Speaker 2: The Prime Minister, of course, has staked his political future
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Speaker 2: on Australia being the greenest of green countries and keeps
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Speaker 2: trotting out a line about global renewables and being a
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Speaker 2: superpower whatever. That really means, of course, digging up rare
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Speaker 2: earth minerals and filling up ships and we send it
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Speaker 2: all off to China. That's what we do. He bobbed
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Speaker 2: up on the AVC this morning and he was asked
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Speaker 2: about the gaggle of labor figures scaring people with Homer
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Speaker 2: Simpson nuclear catastrophe memes. His response, we should all lighten up.
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Speaker 3: Have you got the one with me, Michael with three
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Speaker 3: eyes on the Prime Minister that's been put up by
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Speaker 3: the cheer squad for the coalition on this nuclear fantasy.
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Speaker 1: You can put that up as well.
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Speaker 2: A light Michael, Well, that was on the ABC, of course,
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Speaker 2: and no hard questions to the PM. Interestingly, he referenced
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Speaker 2: the Voice and the No campaign, which I guess still
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Speaker 2: sticks in his craw that sixty percent of his fellow
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Speaker 2: Australians dared to vote No, and I suspect deep down
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Speaker 2: he's thinking, well, what if this nuclear debate goes the
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Speaker 2: way of the Voice referendum. Now, thankfully, as we get
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Speaker 2: to day three of this nuclear discussion, some people who
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Speaker 2: actually know what they're talking about stuck their heads up.
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Speaker 2: The former Anstowe boss both by the name of Dr
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Speaker 2: Ardie Patterson labeled stunts like showering reactors on Bondi Beach
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Speaker 2: and pictures them all round famous places around Australia. He
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Speaker 2: called that a scare campaign. He praised Australia for its
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Speaker 2: nuclear medicine advances and the UCUS nuclear submarine deal. Engineer
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Speaker 2: Robert Parker, founder of Nuclear for a Climate Australia, said
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Speaker 2: the position they are taking with deformed animals and and
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Speaker 2: some other graphic designs like bears bears no relation to
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Speaker 2: the way civilian nuclear power systems work, and he added
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Speaker 2: no member of the public has been exposed to radiation
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Speaker 2: from nuclear power plants. Now this debate is now set
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Speaker 2: to last for months right up to the next election.
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Speaker 2: And just keep an eye on Parliament and Camber next
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Speaker 2: week where the three eyed monster cliches will be flying
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Speaker 2: thick and fast. Those wedded to the dismantling of Australia's
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Speaker 2: current energy network with sun and wind, well they've got
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Speaker 2: too much to lose. And just a late update on
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Speaker 2: the hysterical nonsense coming from Federal Labor. Tom Connolly spoke
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Speaker 2: to the Assistant Minister Patrick Gorman, who went to the
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Speaker 2: WA town of Collie today. The proposed site of one
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Speaker 2: of the reactors, and with a straight face he said
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Speaker 2: this about tourism and nuclear energy.
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Speaker 4: Leaders in the purism industry here, they've seen pre COVID
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Speaker 4: level increased insurism because they've been doing the hard work
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Speaker 4: of building up their tourism economy and they're already concerned
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Speaker 4: that if Collie is seeming to be a nuclear town
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Speaker 4: rather than a wonderful tourist town. That it is, but
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Speaker 4: that's not going to give them the opportunities.
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Speaker 2: The Seriously, it's going to destroy tourism in a beautiful
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Speaker 2: part of Wa. These people have absolutely lost their minds,
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Speaker 2: all right. As I just said, the scare campaign as
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Speaker 2: well well, and truly up and running against nuclear. Really, really,
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Speaker 2: it's going to get worse. I imagine joining me now
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Speaker 2: someone who's long advocated for nuclear he's currently in Gladstone
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Speaker 2: pushing the case. Founder of Nuclear for Australia, William Shackle. William,
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Speaker 2: thanks for your time. You're a smart young bloke. Did
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Speaker 2: you what do you make of these senior politicians on
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Speaker 2: big fat salaries running around scaring people by playing Simpson cartoons.
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Speaker 5: I think it's disgusting. It undermines trusts in nuclear science.
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Speaker 5: And it prevents Australia from having a mature debate about
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Speaker 5: the future of nuclear power in our country at a
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Speaker 5: time when we're having an energy and climate crisis. The
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Speaker 5: ultimate litmus test as to whether politicians are serious about
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Speaker 5: lowering emissions, serious about lowering the risks of blackouts, and
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Speaker 5: serious about lowering the power bill increases that so many
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Speaker 5: Australians are suffering at the moment is whether or not
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Speaker 5: they support lifting the nuclear power bends. But at the
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Speaker 5: moment they're not even able to have a sensible discussion.
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Speaker 5: They're sent they're posting pictures parroting the Simpsons, they're three
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Speaker 5: to izo fish, all of this sort of graphics. And
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Speaker 5: for the Prime Minister to say it's a joke, it's not.
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Speaker 5: I was at Lucas Heights and so on Wednesday where
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Speaker 5: the Australia, you know, thirty klometers away from the Sydney
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Speaker 5: CBD's got our only nuclear reactor, research reactor and that
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Speaker 5: produces life saving nuclear medicines. If you're one of the
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Speaker 5: people in ansto right now and you're seeing your Prime
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Speaker 5: minister saying that it's just a joke that people are trying.
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Speaker 5: When people fearmonger and post three eyed pictures of three
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Speaker 5: eyed fish and stuff. What does that say to those
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Speaker 5: people in ansto those nuclear experts. So I think it's discussing,
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Speaker 5: and I think if politicians actually care about these issues,
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Speaker 5: that they would seize it immediately.
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Speaker 2: William, you're a young Australian. I get a sense by
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Speaker 2: the way that there's a real demographic difference here, and
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Speaker 2: I suspect that many people under thirty down to your
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Speaker 2: age actually are much more open to this idea of
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Speaker 2: nuclear energy because they've read about and taken the time
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Speaker 2: to find out that this is actually going to help
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Speaker 2: in the global battle against climate change and global warming.
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Speaker 5: One percent nuclear power is one of the only guaranteed
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Speaker 5: pathways in order to decarbonize. One hundred percent renewables is
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Speaker 5: not proven, not any country. No country has been able
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Speaker 5: to decarbonize its whole economy. Based on Australia's risky current plan,
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Speaker 5: we need to have nuclear power an option in order
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Speaker 5: to de carbonize. If we don't have the choice, like
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Speaker 5: let's be honest, we probably won't get to net zero
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Speaker 5: and we won't be able to decarbonize. So that's why
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Speaker 5: young people support it and indeed, Australians more broadly support it.
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Speaker 5: Sixty percent of Australians according to recent polls, including a
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Speaker 5: majority of voters for the Liberals and Labor, support nuclear power.
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Speaker 5: So it's up to politicians to realize that I have
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Speaker 5: to be honest like this fear campaign this time it
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Speaker 5: is not going to work. People are waking up to
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Speaker 5: the facts. We're sharing facts and information through our campaign
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Speaker 5: Nuclear for Australia. We've got a team of the nation's
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Speaker 5: leading nuclear experts helping share information. We were at a
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Speaker 5: potential nuclear site today at Calid That's why I'm in
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Speaker 5: Gladston this evening, and we were sharing facts. We did
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Speaker 5: a live stream there where we answered people's questions. So
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Speaker 5: politicians need to really quickly realize if they care about facts,
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Speaker 5: and if they are so serious about, you know, not
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Speaker 5: propagating disinformation, then they need to wake up to the
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Speaker 5: fact that Australians expect better of them and expect a
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Speaker 5: fact based debate when it comes to you nuclear power.
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Speaker 2: William, We've dealt with the issue of nuclear safety. What
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Speaker 2: about the major criticism that the government seems to be using,
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Speaker 2: and that is cost and the amount of time it
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Speaker 2: will take let's deal with cost. What about this line
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Speaker 2: that we keep getting thrown around that nuclear is the
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Speaker 2: most expensive alternative power source to what we're using currently.
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Speaker 5: Well, I think there's been a lot of experts who
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Speaker 5: have pointed out there are many flawed assumptions in the
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Speaker 5: gen Cost Report, including the fact that they incorrectly assume
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Speaker 5: that a nuclear power plant would have a thirty year
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Speaker 5: economic lifetime, when in reality, when you look at the
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Speaker 5: global evidence, these nuclear power stations are going to last
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Speaker 5: from sixty to eighty years or even over a century.
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Speaker 5: So that's the first thing, because when you are having
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Speaker 5: these nuclear power plans running during that time, you would
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Speaker 5: have to be building out renewables every twenty to thirty years,
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Speaker 5: so you're paying for that each and every time. And
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Speaker 5: I think you just have to look globally. If nuclear
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Speaker 5: doesn't stack up, why are there fifty countries around the
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Speaker 5: world looking to nuclear power for the first time. They
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Speaker 5: know it works, they know it lowers electricity bills, and
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Speaker 5: that's demonstrated all around the world. Even at COP twenty eight,
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Speaker 5: twenty five countries committed to tripling global nuclear energy capacity.
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Speaker 5: If the Prime Minister was correct, the nuclear power did
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Speaker 5: not stack up economically. Then, what is he going to
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Speaker 5: say to all of those nations? What is he going
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Speaker 5: to say to Emmanua Macron, who are Cop twenty eight
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Speaker 5: called on him to lift the ban on nuclear power
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Speaker 5: and have nuclear power in Australia? How can he answer
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Speaker 5: for those questions when everything that he says contradicts the
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Speaker 5: work of nuclear experts and contradicts the global evidence.
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Speaker 2: We're in for a long haul with this debate, and
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Speaker 2: you're doing a great job prosecuting the case. William Sheckl,
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Speaker 2: as usual on a Friday night, thank you very much
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Speaker 2: for your time.
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Speaker 6: Now.
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Speaker 2: I want to stick with energy for a moment, and
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Speaker 2: while I welcome the nuclear debate, I think we still
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Speaker 2: need to focus on what we do right now to
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Speaker 2: keep the.
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Speaker 1: Lights on now.
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Speaker 2: The Energy Market Operator has warned this week that we
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Speaker 2: potentially face a dire situation on the East Coast this
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Speaker 2: winter when it comes to the supply of gas.
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Speaker 1: Now.
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Speaker 2: This is particularly the case in Victoria, a state where
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Speaker 2: incredibly the Minister of Energy wants to ban all has
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Speaker 2: banned all new gas connections to private property, order businesses. Look,
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Speaker 2: we've got the perfect storm here, cold weather gas supply interruptions,
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Speaker 2: low contribution from renewables, because there's no wind and there's
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Speaker 2: not much sun, which we could see blackats as soon
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Speaker 2: as this winter, and we're not far off the middle
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Speaker 2: of winter. Now for more on this, how bad could
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Speaker 2: it get? Energy and gas market expert Saul Kavonic joins me, Saul,
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Speaker 2: how much of a worry is this?
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Speaker 6: So the gas.
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Speaker 2: Sorry, go ahead, We didn't have your second year right.
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Speaker 6: Then, the gas market train wreck, which is long being
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Speaker 6: visible on the horizon, is now right in front of us.
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Speaker 6: So gas prices are more than triple power prices are
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Speaker 6: following storage is depleting at an absolutely rapid rate. So
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Speaker 6: we now kind of one and planned outage away from
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Speaker 6: a full blown energy crisis, and we're only in June.
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Speaker 6: The west of winter still awaits us. This is all
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Speaker 6: set in motion by Labour's gas price policy laid in
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Speaker 6: twenty twenty two, and now we've got no easy levers
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Speaker 6: left to try and keep the lights on, keep us
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Speaker 6: warm in winter and save manufacturing jobs. The gas industry
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Speaker 6: is scrambling just eke out any additional amount of gas
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Speaker 6: they can. For example, overnight we've seen bass straight blending
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Speaker 6: extra LPGESUS emergency measure into the gas stream just to
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Speaker 6: try an incaecrease production a couple of percent, and it's
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Speaker 6: only going to get worse in the years ahead. So
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Speaker 6: you might remember back in twenty twenty two we were
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Speaker 6: on the brink of a market collapse, posing the need
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Speaker 6: for energy racage, rationing and shortages. Today's market is very
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Speaker 6: much like the twenty twenty two crisis, except this time
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Speaker 6: Chris Bowen can't blame the Ukraine War or the collapse
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Speaker 6: of a retailer for the high prices and risk of shortages.
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Speaker 2: So we saw midweek in Melbourne, the coldest day this
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Speaker 2: year so far. Temperatures didn't get into double figures until
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Speaker 2: very late in the day. There was no wind and
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Speaker 2: it was overcast so there was very little sun at
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Speaker 2: that point in time. Around eleven in the morning, eighty
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Speaker 2: percent of Victoria's electricity was being generated by a combination.
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Speaker 1: Of coal and gas.
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Speaker 2: There's no hydro in Victoria really, and so it just
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Speaker 2: shows you the importance while the renewables catch up that
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Speaker 2: we still we have to have gas as a major
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Speaker 2: contributor to keep the lights going and the heater is
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Speaker 2: and the hot water flowing.
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Speaker 5: Well.
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Speaker 6: Gas is essential because it's the only thing that can
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Speaker 6: bridge the gap when we've got an increasingly unreliable grid
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Speaker 6: because of the pace of renewables penetration. At the same
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Speaker 6: time we have an aging call fleet where due to
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Speaker 6: a bunch of policy settings and ESG factors, we're not
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Speaker 6: seeing sufficient investments and so gas is what's needed to
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Speaker 6: basically be there when the rest of the market isn't.
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Speaker 6: Just keep in mind this isn't just about the power sector.
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Speaker 6: It's about Australia's manufacturing. Tens of thousands of jobs are
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Speaker 6: depending on this, and it's about keeping us warm in winter,
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Speaker 6: the heating in our homes and the cooking in our homes.
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Speaker 6: And what you get to the point here is when
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Speaker 6: a shortage happens, we now have to like the next
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Speaker 6: step here this gets worse, is the government's going to
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Speaker 6: have to look to ration us. So we're entering the
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Speaker 6: socialist world of rationing and they have to make really
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Speaker 6: tough choices between do we keep people warm, do we
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Speaker 6: keep lights on? Do we keep jobs going the political rallies,
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Speaker 6: you probably see a lot of manufacturing getting hit first
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Speaker 6: that has much longer term consequences for jobs in the economy.
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Speaker 6: But what we've seen right is even the government itself,
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Speaker 6: with its future gas strategy announced a number of weeks ago,
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Speaker 6: has belatedly recognized this problem. The issue is action speak
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Speaker 6: louder than words, and all of the terrible gas policy
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Speaker 6: that Labor has put in places that became elected, which
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Speaker 6: has caused the shortages we see today, they've done nothing
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Speaker 6: to actually fix any of those policies. They've done nothing
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Speaker 6: to actually implement this strategy. In fact, they're doing deals
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Speaker 6: with the Greens to completely undermine their own gas strategy
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Speaker 6: in order to pass other legislation. And so we need
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Speaker 6: to really be listening to the alarm bells that are
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Speaker 6: ringing now so that the small crisis today doesn't end
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Speaker 6: up becoming a much bigger crisis in a couple of
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Speaker 6: years time.
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Speaker 2: Gas rationing would be political suicide for the Albanezi government.
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Speaker 2: They would lose an election by so much it's not
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Speaker 2: even they wouldn't be thinking about it. Just before you go,
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Speaker 2: what would be what's the one thing they need to
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Speaker 2: do right now?
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Speaker 6: The truth is, right now we need quite a bit
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Speaker 6: of luck. Hopefully that luck will come in. We need
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Speaker 6: to get through really the next week until Wanford's back
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Speaker 6: up and running. What we really need to see from
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Speaker 6: a policy setting is not more interventions, but less The
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Speaker 6: government's actually unwind some of the damaging policies that's done.
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Speaker 6: You could pretty much take all of their gas policies
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Speaker 6: of the last eighteen months and undo them, and prices
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Speaker 6: would end up lower and our energy security would be improved.
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Speaker 6: That's actually the biggest thing that they can do to
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Speaker 6: fix this. Continuous medaling is probably only going to make
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Speaker 6: it worse.
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Speaker 2: You're not filling me with great confidence there, Saul, but
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Speaker 2: I appreciate you joining us tonight. Saul Kavonik there, Thank
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Speaker 2: you very much for your time. Now coming up after
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Speaker 2: the break, Campbell Newman, our Friday night regular from Queensland
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Speaker 2: or join us. He's going to try if he can
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Speaker 2: to make sense of David Chris of Foley's aversion to
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Speaker 2: nuclear power, plus what can be done to stop violent
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Speaker 2: youth crime. The rate of ten year old crime in
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Speaker 2: Victoria has reached terrifying levels.
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Speaker 1: That's all to come next.
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Speaker 2: Welcome back to Steve Price with you the brilliant Mark
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Speaker 2: Knight with the cartoons of the week still to join
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Speaker 2: us coming up shortly now. Plenty to get through Let's
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Speaker 2: go straight to my normal Friday night regular, former Queensland
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Speaker 2: Premier and of course a very famous little mayor of
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Speaker 2: Brisbane Campbell Newman. Campbell, I was talked to you during
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Speaker 2: the week on Credlin. We spoke about Opposition leader David
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Speaker 2: Chris of Fully's opposition to nuclear power. Since then, the
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Speaker 2: pressure mounting from his federal counterparts to join the party.
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Speaker 2: You've got LMPMP Colin Boyce Pully no punches here what
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Speaker 2: he had to say. Here's what he had to say.
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Speaker 7: I think you'll find Hill backpedal on that. He had
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Speaker 7: to backpedal on the Great Artisan Basin issue. We had
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Speaker 7: to backpedal on the treaty issue, he had to backpedal
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Speaker 7: on the voice issue. Ultimately he will backpedal on the
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Speaker 7: nuclear issue as well because they simply do not have
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Speaker 7: an energy plan.
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Speaker 2: It seems that mister Chrisph Foley might be representing Australia
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Speaker 2: in backflips this year.
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Speaker 1: Campbell, Well, it is an Olympic hear mate.
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Speaker 8: And I think Colin Boyce, a Federal member for Flynn
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Speaker 8: and former state member for callide As, called it in
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Speaker 8: his normal fairly blunt terms.
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Speaker 1: A farmer a boiler maker. I'm just.
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Speaker 8: With some trade qualifications. I mean, this is a guy
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Speaker 8: who I greatly respect. He calls a spade a spade,
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Speaker 8: he really does. And the point is here that he's
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Speaker 8: particularly making which is so accurate and it's really critical.
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Speaker 8: If Chris ah Fooley supports zero emissions, then that's about
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Speaker 8: renewables and it requires storage. But he's not supporting the
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Speaker 8: labor parties significant and I've got to say they are significant.
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Speaker 8: Whether they pull them off or not remains to be seen,
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Speaker 8: but they're significant pumped hydro storages. But Christoph Fawley won't
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Speaker 8: support that, so he if he doesn't support nuclear. What
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Speaker 8: Boyce is saying quite accurately is he does not have
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Speaker 8: a viable, credible the energy supply or electricity supply plan
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Speaker 8: for Queenslanders.
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Speaker 1: That's wrong.
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Speaker 8: So really again we need him to really think again
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Speaker 8: and what he should be doing we talked about this
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Speaker 8: the other night, is that he just simply had to
20:24
Speaker 8: say if Peter Dunton gets elected on the basis of
20:27
Speaker 8: this quite courageous and brave policy, then of course I'm
20:30
Speaker 8: going to back him, and you know Voyces right as well.
20:35
Speaker 8: I don't think Chris A Fooley and the state ALMP
20:38
Speaker 8: team understand the level of support that's actually out that
20:41
Speaker 8: out there in Queensland for nuclear.
20:45
Speaker 2: Well, Queensland's an energy powerhouse. I mean, Queensland prides itself
20:50
Speaker 2: on the fact that it's up to Queensland to pump
20:54
Speaker 2: juice down south, to keep the states down there that
20:57
Speaker 2: are so scared everything as we go and do it.
21:00
Speaker 2: Queensland's got all the resources.
21:01
Speaker 8: Well, well, look we've been doing that this week and
21:07
Speaker 8: the last week in the colder weather, energy has been
21:10
Speaker 8: flowing south, supporting the national grid from the coal fired
21:15
Speaker 8: power plants in Queensland. Similarly, and just alluding to your
21:18
Speaker 8: previous interview, gas has been going south from the gas
21:22
Speaker 8: fields of Queensland to support homes and industry in New
21:26
Speaker 8: South Wales and Victoria. And what's critically important there is
21:31
Speaker 8: we've had state administrations in Victoria New South Wales who
21:34
Speaker 8: haven't wanted to go after their own gas. So these
21:39
Speaker 8: things all some these things always come home to roost eventually.
21:43
Speaker 1: Mate.
21:45
Speaker 2: You and I have been around a reasonably long time.
21:48
Speaker 2: Did you ever think in your life, Campbell Newman, that
21:51
Speaker 2: you would see the level of anti Semitism that we're
21:53
Speaker 2: seeing in Australia at the moment I went down the
21:56
Speaker 2: street from where I stayed when I'm in Melbourne. Yes,
22:00
Speaker 2: and the whole street, on every power pole and surface
22:05
Speaker 2: where these anti Jewish stickers which had the Star of David,
22:10
Speaker 2: the Israeli flag and a red line through it talk
22:13
Speaker 2: of killing babies. Today, when I walk down that street,
22:17
Speaker 2: someone had gone to the bother of actually making one
22:20
Speaker 2: of these stickers into a hard perspex piece of board
22:24
Speaker 2: and screwed it into an old wooden power pole. I mean,
22:27
Speaker 2: I never thought I'd see this ever in my life.
22:32
Speaker 8: No, it's just very very un Australian. And we saw
22:35
Speaker 8: scenes of the MP's office being targeted. Now we've seen
22:43
Speaker 8: Trades Hall in Melbourne targeted in a very systematic way.
22:47
Speaker 8: I just wish the authorities around the country, but particularly
22:52
Speaker 8: in Victoria, I would take a hard line on this.
22:55
Speaker 8: We hear that in Victoria the police are just saying, oh,
22:58
Speaker 8: we local detectives will handle it. No, I totally disagree
23:02
Speaker 8: with that. This needs to be treated as not just
23:04
Speaker 8: some active random vandalism. It needs to be treated as
23:09
Speaker 8: a systematic campaign of intimidation and harassment against the Jewish community.
23:16
Speaker 1: If it's treated like that.
23:17
Speaker 8: And if we put the resources in and go after
23:19
Speaker 8: these people, expose them and let them know their vandalism
23:23
Speaker 8: isn't going to just be treated with a slap on
23:26
Speaker 8: the wrist, but say thirty to ninety days in the slammer,
23:30
Speaker 8: that would actually draw a line in the sand and
23:33
Speaker 8: perhaps get things under control.
23:36
Speaker 2: Well, I've been saying now for weeks that we need
23:39
Speaker 2: to get the afp AZO and the police commissioners of
23:44
Speaker 2: the states that are having a big problem with this
23:47
Speaker 2: to get their heads together and work out what they're
23:49
Speaker 2: going to do about it. I described the attack on
23:51
Speaker 2: Josh Burn's office where they used hammers to smash the windows.
23:56
Speaker 2: One of the blokes was armed with a fire extinguisher
23:58
Speaker 2: full of red paint that he squirted through the window
24:01
Speaker 2: into the office. Then they set fire to two telstrap
24:04
Speaker 2: pits out the front. There's people living in the apartments upstairs.
24:08
Speaker 2: I described it as a terrorist attack. How could it
24:10
Speaker 2: not be. That's a federal politician's office attacked by people
24:14
Speaker 2: at three in the morning with hammers and set trying
24:17
Speaker 2: to set fight to That's a terrorist attack.
24:21
Speaker 8: Look, it is not just vandalism or willful damage sort
24:26
Speaker 8: of stuff. It is an act of political terrorism and
24:30
Speaker 8: deliberate intimidation. That's what's going on here and that's the
24:34
Speaker 8: way it does need to be treated. With you one
24:36
Speaker 8: hundred percent, Steve.
24:39
Speaker 2: Cameron Newman, it was good catch up on a Friday night.
24:41
Speaker 2: I'll see you next Friday.
24:44
Speaker 4: See then.
24:47
Speaker 2: I'm going to talk crime later in the program with
24:49
Speaker 2: Mark Murray, crime editor of the Daily Telegraph. I want
24:53
Speaker 2: to start today by talking about some numbers that were
24:56
Speaker 2: released in Victoria yesterday in regard to young criminal effort.
25:00
Speaker 2: If these numbers don't shock you, I don't think anyone will.
25:04
Speaker 2: Any numbers will some kids as young as ten years old.
25:08
Speaker 2: The number of ten year olds involved in crime in
25:10
Speaker 2: Victoria has sawed to its highest level since twenty ten,
25:15
Speaker 2: so some fourteen years ago with children aged between ten
25:18
Speaker 2: and eleven years old, have a listen to this recording
25:22
Speaker 2: a fifty three percent spike in offenses committed year on year.
25:27
Speaker 2: That's extraordinary. Now, this all at the same time as
25:30
Speaker 2: the government in Victoria is going ahead with a plan
25:33
Speaker 2: and I think it's crazy to raise the age of
25:35
Speaker 2: criminal responsibility for up to twelve from ten where it
25:39
Speaker 2: is now, and then ultimately up to fourteen by twenty
25:42
Speaker 2: twenty seven, the only state to do that.
25:44
Speaker 1: For more on this and what can be.
25:46
Speaker 2: Done, I'm joined by child and adolescent psychologists. Clear row clear, welcome,
25:51
Speaker 2: Thanks for your time. Do those statistics surprise you.
25:57
Speaker 9: Well, yes, the age is me I mean, this is
26:01
Speaker 9: a ten year old, This is a baby. This is
26:04
Speaker 9: a very young child who is running the streets rampant,
26:08
Speaker 9: breaking into cars and joining youth gangs. For anyone that
26:12
Speaker 9: has a ten year old at home, yeah, and looked,
26:15
Speaker 9: they would know just how absurd and shocking that sounds.
26:20
Speaker 1: And what is the solution?
26:22
Speaker 9: I mean, I think in terms of youth crime, we
26:25
Speaker 9: have to look at it at a multi faceted approach.
26:28
Speaker 9: I think as a child psychologist, I certainly you couldn't
26:31
Speaker 9: ignore by starting with the home environment. We know that
26:35
Speaker 9: many offenders come from homes where they experience.
26:37
Speaker 1: A neglect, abuse. There's certainly no supervision there. And I
26:41
Speaker 1: had to say.
26:42
Speaker 9: That a ten year old who's running around at nighttime
26:44
Speaker 9: involved in youth crime is also not attending school the
26:47
Speaker 9: next day, So they disengaged from school and that increases
26:52
Speaker 9: is likelihood for crime. They most likely have some type
26:56
Speaker 9: of exposure at home to violence which normals as aggressive behavior.
27:02
Speaker 9: And on top of that, there's always economic factors when
27:05
Speaker 9: increases in crime occur. We know that because the UK
27:08
Speaker 9: crime rate for youth is going through the roof, and
27:11
Speaker 9: you know, so so economically, parents understress, perhaps with drug
27:17
Speaker 9: and alcohol substance abuse problems, lack a supervision for their kids,
27:20
Speaker 9: and then economic hardship. It just doesn't look good for
27:24
Speaker 9: you know, young people who don't have role models there
27:27
Speaker 9: for them.
27:30
Speaker 2: You had an example to die Herald Sun reporting a
27:32
Speaker 2: young offender who's committed something like six hundred and eighty
27:34
Speaker 2: eight crimes keeps getting released on bail. I mentioned there
27:38
Speaker 2: that the Victorian government intends to increase the age of
27:42
Speaker 2: the ability of someone to be considered a criminal from
27:45
Speaker 2: ten up to twelve.
27:46
Speaker 1: Is that helping?
27:47
Speaker 2: Is that really going to help or is that just
27:49
Speaker 2: meaning that the government of Victoria says, well, we don't
27:52
Speaker 2: want to lock up repeat offenders in that age bracket,
27:56
Speaker 2: so let's just say that they didn't really know what
27:58
Speaker 2: they were doing was wrong.
28:01
Speaker 9: Well, I don't think they're locking them up anyway at
28:03
Speaker 9: the moment, not ten to eleven twelve year olds.
28:06
Speaker 1: I agree.
28:07
Speaker 9: I don't think it will do anything. It may make
28:10
Speaker 9: the statistics of criminals lower for the government. That might
28:13
Speaker 9: be good look for them, because they're not criminals anymore,
28:16
Speaker 9: if you know, they're.
28:17
Speaker 1: Not culpable for it.
28:18
Speaker 9: So I don't think it will actually help on the
28:21
Speaker 9: ground level of addressing or tackling any problem. Whether they
28:25
Speaker 9: do that or not, I find quite relevant really to
28:29
Speaker 9: the discussion. I do find that once we get start
28:32
Speaker 9: getting into older teenage years, you know, fourteen, fifteen, sixteen
28:37
Speaker 9: year olds, then we do have these repeat offenders where
28:42
Speaker 9: they get off on warnings and we're not using the
28:44
Speaker 9: law to the full extent as it is in any way.
28:46
Speaker 9: And of course you know, these young people know that
28:50
Speaker 9: they know how many times they've all gotten away with it.
28:52
Speaker 9: So in terms of basic one oh one human behavior
28:55
Speaker 9: as a psychologist, there's no you know, punishment there or
29:00
Speaker 9: reinforcement there to help them stop doing that. So yeah, look,
29:04
Speaker 9: I don't think Steves are raising that criminal age is
29:08
Speaker 9: going to actually address the problem, which, as I said,
29:10
Speaker 9: is you know, engagement at school, role models at home,
29:13
Speaker 9: probably substance and alcohol youth domestic violence, intervention and community
29:19
Speaker 9: supports for these people.
29:22
Speaker 2: And clear the elephant in the room. We've been talking
29:24
Speaker 2: about it a lot in the nation for the last year.
29:27
Speaker 2: It would seem a big conversation today social media. As
29:31
Speaker 2: a psychologist, as a person who deals with young people
29:34
Speaker 2: who are struggling, how much of an impact is social
29:38
Speaker 2: media having on the behavior, particularly of younger teenagers.
29:43
Speaker 9: Oh, it's just instrumental to their whole lives. And we
29:47
Speaker 9: know that, you know, in talking about youth crime, and
29:50
Speaker 9: there's enough take on people posting crimes online, and people
29:54
Speaker 9: say to me, well, you know, do you think that
29:55
Speaker 9: that's exacerbated crime rates?
29:57
Speaker 1: Look, I don't know.
29:58
Speaker 9: I think social media has exacerbated rates of young people
30:02
Speaker 9: or adults, anyone doing stupid things. A reinforcer there, there's
30:07
Speaker 9: a social reinforcer of acceptance, of lack of praise and
30:14
Speaker 9: comments and so forth for posting really dumb stuff. So
30:18
Speaker 9: I think that all feeds into it, absolutely, And I'm
30:21
Speaker 9: one of the big advocates for absolutely banning social media
30:24
Speaker 9: for any child under the age of sixteen.
30:26
Speaker 2: Well, so, Claire Row, thank you very much. Thanks well,
30:33
Speaker 2: good luck with banning social media. I say, but good luck,
30:36
Speaker 2: let's try and do it after the break. Just how
30:38
Speaker 2: concern should Sydney residents be Now we're told that bullets
30:42
Speaker 2: have been stolen from the Wakely church right and they're
30:45
Speaker 2: now in the hands of hardened criminals. Plus, we'll take
30:48
Speaker 2: a look at the lighter side of the news. The fantastic,
30:51
Speaker 2: brilliant Mark Knight, he comes in with the cartoons of
30:54
Speaker 2: the week.
30:58
Speaker 1: Now, welcome back.
31:00
Speaker 2: Call of course, the scenes outside the front of that
31:02
Speaker 2: Christ the Good Shepherd Church in Wakely after the bishop
31:05
Speaker 2: there was allegedly stabbed. There was a mob that turned
31:09
Speaker 2: up and it was really dangerous. Please have made a
31:11
Speaker 2: number of rests in relation to those rights, and that'll
31:15
Speaker 2: go through the courts. But what's ensured since perhaps is
31:18
Speaker 2: even more concerning. We've now learned, thanks to Mark Murray
31:22
Speaker 2: at the Daily Telegraph, the police equipment was actually stolen
31:26
Speaker 2: during that rite, most alarmingly rounds of live ammunition. Now
31:30
Speaker 2: Mark Murray is a regular with us. On a Friday,
31:32
Speaker 2: he broke this story. He's the crime editor at the
31:35
Speaker 2: Telly and joins us. Mark, great to see you again.
31:39
Speaker 2: How concern should the public be that there are now
31:42
Speaker 2: dozens that have rounds at large out there in the community.
31:46
Speaker 10: Well, that's always a concern when you have dangerous weapons
31:49
Speaker 10: or ammunition that are going to be falling into the
31:51
Speaker 10: hands of criminals.
31:53
Speaker 1: This will probably go.
31:54
Speaker 10: To underworld hardened underworld figures, and most likely the targets
31:58
Speaker 10: will be the criminals. But as we've just seen throughout
32:03
Speaker 10: the last two three years, there are innocent people being
32:06
Speaker 10: hurt or even killed during these gang wars where they're
32:09
Speaker 10: using these illegal weapons and ammunition. So there's a threat
32:12
Speaker 10: to the public and it is. It's concerning that they
32:15
Speaker 10: have over thirty live ammunition that can go into glocks,
32:21
Speaker 10: semi automatic hand pistols which are lethal. There really are
32:26
Speaker 10: efficient killing weapons. That's why the police have them.
32:32
Speaker 2: So obviously we've got court charges pending. But let's go
32:35
Speaker 2: back to that night and how it escalated so quickly,
32:38
Speaker 2: and we recall those scenes out the front of that church.
32:42
Speaker 2: It got very nasty, very fast, and the police became
32:47
Speaker 2: the targets. Have we ever worked out really why?
32:51
Speaker 10: I will let you know that community, the Assyrian community
32:54
Speaker 10: is wonderful community, very heavily in that Fairfield area, but
32:58
Speaker 10: there are some very very hard criminals in there. There
33:00
Speaker 10: are some vicious street gangs called the Last Hour. There
33:05
Speaker 10: are other gangs there. Now this happens a lot of
33:08
Speaker 10: times with protests whenever we see they're opportunistic. These criminals
33:12
Speaker 10: saw this as a chance to join in a mob
33:15
Speaker 10: and attack police and police vehicles. There were over I
33:18
Speaker 10: think there was nearly one hundred police vehicles vandalized. About
33:21
Speaker 10: ninety had to be towed. So you know, there were
33:24
Speaker 10: some people there who were quite righteously very upset about
33:28
Speaker 10: what happened to their religious leader. But there are also
33:31
Speaker 10: a lot in the community who were just serious police haters.
33:34
Speaker 10: Now I've seen this has happened in some of these
33:37
Speaker 10: pro Palestine riot protests as well. Some of the troublemakers
33:42
Speaker 10: in there are literally just criminals who just like to
33:46
Speaker 10: create trouble and use these protests or these actions almost
33:50
Speaker 10: as a vehicle for their hatred of police and authority.
33:56
Speaker 2: Well that's a great point because we've seen this week
33:58
Speaker 2: with one of those electric officers attacked in secuta in Melbourne.
34:02
Speaker 2: There was a bloke armed with a fire extinguisher mark
34:05
Speaker 2: that was filled with red paint and after they smashed
34:09
Speaker 2: the windows with a hammer, they sprayed the scene through
34:12
Speaker 2: the window to cover the interior part of the office
34:14
Speaker 2: in red paint. Now, a normal someone supporting Palestine, someone
34:18
Speaker 2: who feels strongly about what's going on in the Middle East.
34:21
Speaker 2: They're hardly likely and I wouldn't know how to do it,
34:24
Speaker 2: and I presume you wouldn't either, to fill up a
34:26
Speaker 2: fire extinguisher with red paint. You've got to have learnt
34:29
Speaker 2: that somewhere, don't you, and that sort of behaviors learned
34:32
Speaker 2: behavior that's right.
34:33
Speaker 10: As I said, there are these people, criminals or just
34:35
Speaker 10: people with a mentality of hatred, who, as I said,
34:39
Speaker 10: use these protests or these conflicts so they can go
34:43
Speaker 10: and they don't care. They've got no ideology, sympathy. It's
34:47
Speaker 10: just an outlet for them to be angry or just
34:50
Speaker 10: to be violent. And that's what we saw happen at Wakeley.
34:53
Speaker 10: I know that for a fact, As I said that,
34:56
Speaker 10: you know the fact that this ammunition was stolen. They
35:00
Speaker 10: weren't people there just protesting against what had happened to
35:04
Speaker 10: allegedly to their religious leader being stacked. They were there
35:08
Speaker 10: to make mayhem for no other reason than because they could,
35:12
Speaker 10: and they had the cover of other people. You know,
35:15
Speaker 10: that mob mentality of the cowardness to go in there
35:17
Speaker 10: with a gang of people surrounding them. Not to be
35:20
Speaker 10: able to stand up on their own two feet and
35:22
Speaker 10: have a protest.
35:26
Speaker 2: You broke that story today, please don't want to comment
35:29
Speaker 2: on it. I presume they're embarrassed by the fact that
35:31
Speaker 2: someone could Well, how did anyone physically get hold of
35:36
Speaker 2: unused ammunition?
35:37
Speaker 1: I mean, how would they do that?
35:39
Speaker 10: So with that part of our counter terrorism and anti
35:43
Speaker 10: terrorism training, a lot of the New South Wales police
35:47
Speaker 10: have what it's called a go bag. These are for
35:51
Speaker 10: to combat armed defenders, which we've seen happen throughout the world.
35:55
Speaker 10: So they actually have in some of the patrol cars
35:58
Speaker 10: they have a kit which as two rounds, two magazines
36:02
Speaker 10: of live ammunition, a medical kit and globe glow sticks.
36:09
Speaker 10: That's so that if they have to try and chase somebody,
36:12
Speaker 10: after they've emptied their weapon, they can reload. So it
36:15
Speaker 10: was all brought about so that's how it was left
36:17
Speaker 10: in a car. Obviously these guys have gone out there
36:20
Speaker 10: to try and control them of and maybe save someone
36:22
Speaker 10: from being hurt. An opportunistic crims gone in there and
36:25
Speaker 10: grab grabbed the bag. Also some bulletproof vests. But I
36:28
Speaker 10: believe we're found in a drone later. But that's how
36:31
Speaker 10: come that ammunition was in those vehicles. It's only you know,
36:35
Speaker 10: there's a few cars that actually have them, but they're
36:38
Speaker 10: there to try and counter the armed defender, you know,
36:41
Speaker 10: the roam in person that police have to chase.
36:46
Speaker 2: The reason I love having you on a Friday night
36:48
Speaker 2: is I can delve back into your memory. And when
36:50
Speaker 2: I read that story today, I thought to myself about
36:53
Speaker 2: stolen weapons? Am I right to remember that? At one
36:56
Speaker 2: stage somebody got hold of some military rock launchers and
37:01
Speaker 2: there was a huge search for these things. Were they
37:04
Speaker 2: ever found?
37:06
Speaker 1: You have got a good break.
37:07
Speaker 10: Only one. They were up to twelve stolen by a
37:10
Speaker 10: former ornament's sergeant in the Defense Force. He one of
37:17
Speaker 10: them had turned up with a very hardened prim There
37:20
Speaker 10: was a war going on between two crime families here
37:23
Speaker 10: and one of the rocket launches turned up. There's only
37:26
Speaker 10: one being recovered now. I can tell you now. On
37:29
Speaker 10: a regular basis, I get contacted New South Wales Police
37:32
Speaker 10: get contacted, the Crime Commission get contacted and probably the
37:35
Speaker 10: Federal police saying I know where the rocket launches are.
37:39
Speaker 10: If you let my brother or father out, I'll tell
37:42
Speaker 10: you where they are. It's constant and the counter Terrorism
37:47
Speaker 10: guys go down. I think they have their annual barbecue
37:49
Speaker 10: in the National Park and have a bit of a dig.
37:52
Speaker 1: Because that's where they're rumored to be.
37:53
Speaker 10: But yeah, correct, there's still ten or eleven outstanding.
37:57
Speaker 2: I knew you'd know, Mark Murray, thanks a lot, talked
38:00
Speaker 2: to you soon, Thanks a lot to me.
38:05
Speaker 1: Well it's been a here.
38:06
Speaker 2: I love Marke Murray. It's been a big week of news.
38:08
Speaker 2: I mean when you have a big week of news,
38:11
Speaker 2: journalists get very excited. But the people who really get
38:13
Speaker 2: excited are cartoonists. Australia's favorite cartoonist, Mark Knight, joins us
38:18
Speaker 2: in the studio. I mean we're having made about nuclear energy.
38:22
Speaker 2: You must have gone here belt.
38:24
Speaker 1: It's a cartoon as picnic. Oh, it is a cartoon.
38:27
Speaker 2: Start with renewables and nuclear What did you draw about that?
38:30
Speaker 2: Let's have a look at the renewables cartoon this week?
38:33
Speaker 11: What were well, you know, we've got these big wind
38:36
Speaker 11: turbines everywhere.
38:37
Speaker 1: These big three.
38:38
Speaker 2: Had elbow up top.
38:39
Speaker 11: Yeah, our elbows riding and of course they're very impressive, these.
38:43
Speaker 1: Sort of big three for labor horizon. Have you ever
38:47
Speaker 1: if you drive.
38:47
Speaker 11: To Sydney you'll see them down on the Hume Highway
38:50
Speaker 11: at Golden there's a big yeah, and I just get
38:52
Speaker 11: hypnotized by them as I drive along. But the other
38:55
Speaker 11: three bladed fan that's come along, as we all know,
38:58
Speaker 11: is the symbol for clear power. I thought it was
39:02
Speaker 11: a great contrast between the two.
39:04
Speaker 2: We'll get to Peter Dutton in a moment, because he's
39:06
Speaker 2: got the head of a nuclear power plant about him.
39:10
Speaker 2: I didn't notice that those weeks I've driven that panda's
39:13
Speaker 2: got into your life. The Chinese premieer was here. He
39:16
Speaker 2: was in Adelaide, where those two don't seem to be
39:18
Speaker 2: able to procreate, and he promised we might.
39:21
Speaker 1: Get some more. Let's look at.
39:22
Speaker 2: This now, Penny Wog shaking hands with the premiere. What
39:27
Speaker 2: are the pandas on about?
39:28
Speaker 11: Well, the pandas is a wang wang and FUNI have failed.
39:33
Speaker 11: I guess the People's Republic are. They're being sent back
39:35
Speaker 11: to China.
39:36
Speaker 1: Now. I don't think those people, I don't think they
39:40
Speaker 1: want to go, So.
39:40
Speaker 11: In the cartoon, I have them seeking political asylum in
39:43
Speaker 11: Australia because you know, if they get sent back to China,
39:46
Speaker 11: they'll probably be working in an Apple iPhone factory or something.
39:49
Speaker 2: You don't draw Penny very often, but that's a remarkable
39:52
Speaker 2: lightness of the foreigner. She's good to draw gray hair.
39:55
Speaker 11: Yeah, I love drawing her and every Actually, I I
40:01
Speaker 11: wasn't going to put her in this cartoon, but I
40:03
Speaker 11: do like drawing you so much.
40:04
Speaker 1: As she got in, there was just going to be panders.
40:06
Speaker 2: Actually, but nuclear got another run around and I mentioned
40:09
Speaker 2: that Peter Dutton he could almost be one of those
40:12
Speaker 2: towers where the theme comes out of the nuclear plant.
40:16
Speaker 2: How did you draw Peter Dutton in the nuclear well?
40:18
Speaker 11: I think I look at that, he looks like the reactor,
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Speaker 11: the reactor building his head, and I guess in the
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Speaker 11: political analogy, his head is the reactor building. This is
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Speaker 11: where the idea is coming from. So you just mention
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Speaker 11: your nuclear power and it just generates white hot heat
40:37
Speaker 11: in the Australian political lands.
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Speaker 2: I know. And then you've got all of these dopey
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Speaker 2: labor politicians who are putting out memes. I don't really
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Speaker 2: understand what a meme is, but it's.
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Speaker 11: A simple graphic image that I guess conveys it like
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Speaker 11: a political cart an image.
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Speaker 2: Cinta Allen Drew had a fish with three eyes. Yes
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Speaker 2: are you going to get into the three eye area.
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Speaker 11: I am tomorrow. Tomorrow tomorrow's Carton Well. I think if
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Speaker 11: we've got three our fish coming out of cooling ponds
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Speaker 11: in the Trade Valley and where we've got all these
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Speaker 11: wind turbines, we're obviously going to have the headless wedge
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Speaker 11: day legal wandering around. So it's a little bit of
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Speaker 11: a preview tomorrow, a little bit of a previous day.
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Speaker 11: One of our favorites, Johnny Secord for ce if me
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Speaker 11: EU is going to get his members a twenty one
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Speaker 11: percent pay rise over the next five years. I think
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Speaker 11: cashed up boganste and that's Gil mcgoch and he used
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Speaker 11: to run the AFL. It's just fortuitous for Gil his
41:34
Speaker 11: first day in the saddle at tabcour looking for new
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Speaker 11: revenue streams. They see, if you emmy, you get a
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Speaker 11: huge pay rise. So there's going to be all these
41:42
Speaker 11: builders looking to get on the punt.
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Speaker 2: Well when that happened, I thought you would have gone
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Speaker 2: down the Ford Ranger route because Setka came out and said, yes,
41:49
Speaker 2: we've got a big pay rise. That means all the
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Speaker 2: apprentices will be able to by Ford Rangers.
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Speaker 11: I did hear, and that was my initial sketches of
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Speaker 11: the ranger. But then I heard Gil got the job,
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Speaker 11: so I was bang, great, cos girls will be on
42:01
Speaker 11: the punt.
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Speaker 2: Great cartoon, RBA, no more interest rates. Now, don't tell
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Speaker 2: me you've wieled the rack out again, have you? I have,
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Speaker 2: you've got the rack out? I have a look here.
42:09
Speaker 2: This is the poor old mortgage holder and the new
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Speaker 2: governor of the Reserve Bank, Michelle Bullock.
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Speaker 1: Yes, Michelle, what's she doing there?
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Speaker 11: Well, she's just telling us all to relax and kick
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Speaker 11: back because she's not going to ratchet it up anymore.
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Speaker 2: This is tipped by a lot of economists that we
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Speaker 2: will get a rise later. Yes, what happens to the
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Speaker 2: bloke on the rack when we get a rise?
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Speaker 1: You lose an arm? Well, I think you just snap
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Speaker 1: in two. There'll be one end here and one end here.
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Speaker 11: I remember drawing a cartoon last year with the previous
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Speaker 11: Reserve Bank governor and he said the secret with interest
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Speaker 11: rates is knowing when to stop raising them.
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Speaker 1: And the cartoon.
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Speaker 11: Was the person actually snapped into on the racks.
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Speaker 1: How's McCollum looking tomorrow.
42:54
Speaker 11: It's a good We're looking at two years of Jacinta Allan.
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Speaker 1: And what sort of labor becoming and two years to go.
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Speaker 1: So it's a fun ride.
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Speaker 2: Fantastic, You're a brilliant man. Thank you for coming in
43:07
Speaker 2: on a Friday night, Mark Night. Everybody, make sure you
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Speaker 2: get the Herald's under see his cartoon. After the break,
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Speaker 2: we've got mounting pressure on the social media giants to
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Speaker 2: crack down on harmful content. I'll get to talk to
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Speaker 2: my panel about that. Plus how much should throwing a
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Speaker 2: sick Mark will have fun with this throwing a cigarette
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Speaker 2: but out of your car window costume.
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Speaker 1: You will be shocked by the answer.
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Speaker 2: After the break, Welcome back Steve Price with you on
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Speaker 2: this Friday night. Danika de Giorgio with Primetime coming up
43:35
Speaker 2: after us plenty to get through with our panel tonight.
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Speaker 2: Joining me is the executive director of GT Communications, the
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Speaker 2: delightful Gemma Tornini and the founder of the Small Business
43:45
Speaker 2: Women Australia, the equally delightful Amanda Rose. Gemma, Amanda, great
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Speaker 2: to see you. Can we start with social media? There
43:53
Speaker 2: was a fairly high powered gathering, not fairly high powered,
43:57
Speaker 2: very high power gathering in Canberra today asking to raise
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Speaker 2: the age limit of people using social media. Heads are
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Speaker 2: the three big companies were their nine to seven and
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Speaker 2: of course News Limited. They were at the inquiry. Here's
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Speaker 2: a little of what they had to say.
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Speaker 11: Are you saying, mister Sneezebe, that you would oppose a
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Speaker 11: sixteen year old age limit for social media.
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Speaker 10: I'm not saying I would oppose it.
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Speaker 5: It is one of the potential ways of protecting those
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Speaker 5: younger audiences.
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Speaker 8: In the younger population A masters are very clear on
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Speaker 8: the fact that the age limit should be raised.
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Speaker 2: In d Peter Dutton said something Amanda that he'll do
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Speaker 2: within the first hundred days of being elected. Is it possible,
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Speaker 2: can we do it? Or has the horse, the social
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Speaker 2: media horse bolted?
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Speaker 1: Well.
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Speaker 12: Social media has been around for twenty years and let's
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Speaker 12: face it has never been good for children. What's interesting, yes,
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Speaker 12: And what's interesting is that all of a sudden and
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Speaker 12: the government is caring for children. At the same time
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Speaker 12: they need to have a digital ID put through and
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Speaker 12: the reality is that using this as a way to
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Speaker 12: get children to have a digital identity, because then they
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Speaker 12: have to prove their age to be able to use
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Speaker 12: the social media. If parents truly genuinely don't want their
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Speaker 12: children on social media, they have to put their foot
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Speaker 12: down and say no, and then people will say yes.
45:24
Speaker 12: But that's unrealistic. So we want to sign them up
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Speaker 12: to this identity so we can prove their age and
45:29
Speaker 12: whether they use social media. But let's face it, anytime
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Speaker 12: the government says they care, it's a red flag.
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Speaker 2: Jemma, you and I have been around long enough when
45:39
Speaker 2: the words ID are particularly triggering. Remember the old id
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Speaker 2: ID card debate that we had all those years back.
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Speaker 2: Is this possibly potentially a way for the government to
45:51
Speaker 2: sneakily start attacking free speech rather than looking after our children.
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Speaker 13: Look, I wouldn't put it past them, but I'm probably
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Speaker 13: a little bit less worried about dystopia than Amanda is
46:01
Speaker 13: at this point in time. Although I do agree that
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Speaker 13: it's about parenting, and so many of my friends.
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Speaker 1: Have said, oh, it's hard.
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Speaker 13: Well, look, life is hard and parenting is hard. It's
46:08
Speaker 13: not a chihuahua. You have a child to invest in it.
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Speaker 13: And I have at least two sets of friends who
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Speaker 13: are parents whose children are now fully functional adults at
46:19
Speaker 13: university who simply decided to parent their children and said
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Speaker 13: no to social media for their children.
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Speaker 2: How did they do it?
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Speaker 13: Bloody hard work and consistent can't speak consistency on a
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Speaker 13: over a period of time when their children were in
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Speaker 13: high school, like it's just called parenting. But I would
46:38
Speaker 13: say the bigger red flag for me is the whole
46:42
Speaker 13: role of the E Safety Commissioner and how completely subjective
46:47
Speaker 13: that seems to be playing out. I mean, they're talking
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Speaker 13: about banning this, that and the rest, and you know
46:52
Speaker 13: how many pornbots I get sent in today, Steve, more
46:54
Speaker 13: than I would say on this show because it's a
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Speaker 13: family show and we're going to keep it clean. But
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Speaker 13: it seems to be so completely out of whack and
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Speaker 13: so very very disconnected from reality. But I think sixteen
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Speaker 13: is a really good age. I don't think you require
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Speaker 13: a digital ID to enforce that law. I think there
47:13
Speaker 13: are other ways to do it. You have to have
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Speaker 13: a parental consent, that kind of thing. But all in all,
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Speaker 13: social media is no friend of tender young hearts and minds.
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Speaker 2: I love the term out of whack because this issue
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Speaker 2: is certainly one that was out of whack. A blow
47:30
Speaker 2: in Victoria. He was driving along in the northern suburbs
47:33
Speaker 2: and he was a smoker, and he decided the best
47:35
Speaker 2: place for his lit cigarette butt was out the window
47:39
Speaker 2: wasn't summer.
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Speaker 1: Thank god.
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Speaker 2: He's been fined not ten fifteen to twenty thirty dollars,
47:46
Speaker 2: he's been fined one one hundred and twenty dollars. Not
47:49
Speaker 2: for speeding, not for drunk driving, but throwing that butt
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Speaker 2: out the window. The delicious part about this, Amanda, is
47:56
Speaker 2: the police didn't actually catch this bloke, but someone rang
47:59
Speaker 2: up the EPA, the Environment Protection Authority hotline, dobbed him in,
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Speaker 2: gave them his number plate, and he was fined over
48:08
Speaker 2: one thousand dollars fair or too much.
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Speaker 12: Look, if only we could find people twelve hundred dollars
48:14
Speaker 12: for being so self righteous, because you know, one day
48:18
Speaker 12: it might actually happen to them in a different situation
48:20
Speaker 12: where someone's dubbed on them. Literally, we're going to turn
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Speaker 12: into a ridiculous communist country if all we're doing is
48:27
Speaker 12: encouraging people to dB on others for doing the wrong thing,
48:30
Speaker 12: because that's where we're headed, right. And also, maybe it's
48:33
Speaker 12: time to bring back ashtrays in the car so that
48:35
Speaker 12: won't happen.
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Speaker 2: Ah, I've got an astrom my car. I don't think
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Speaker 2: it's ever been used. Now, before we go, Jemma, the
48:42
Speaker 2: AFL had their Hall of Fame dinner the other night
48:45
Speaker 2: and they remembered all of the past players who passed
48:48
Speaker 2: on during the year. They said that Hawthorne Premiership player
48:51
Speaker 2: Michael Porter. He was in their memoriam segment. Problem is
48:55
Speaker 2: Michael's alive and well at seventy nine years of age.
48:58
Speaker 2: He was watching it and thought, what they're trying to
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Speaker 2: kill me off. I do have a confession to make.
49:03
Speaker 2: I was on live radio one day and I've got
49:05
Speaker 2: a message in my ear that the Queen Mother had
49:08
Speaker 2: passed away. Sadly for me, the Queen Mother was still
49:12
Speaker 2: alive and well and not dead at all, which was
49:15
Speaker 2: one big mistake.
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Speaker 13: Well in your case, and for those of us who've
49:19
Speaker 13: been inside the sausage factory, I can honestly say that's
49:22
Speaker 13: your producer's fault because they're the one speaking into your ear.
49:25
Speaker 13: So there is a little bit of no, but it's
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Speaker 13: the truth.
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Speaker 1: It's the truth.
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Speaker 13: If you're live on air and your producer is feeding
49:31
Speaker 13: you information, you have to be able to trust that information.
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Speaker 13: But I mean, look, rumors of his death are greatly exaggerated,
49:37
Speaker 13: right the poor bloke. Although I will saactly I never
49:41
Speaker 13: I was named after mine.
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Speaker 2: I never lived it down, Gemma, that's the problem.
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Speaker 1: I never lived it down.
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Speaker 2: It'll be in my CV for the rest of my life, Jemma, Amanda.
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Speaker 2: Great to have you with us on a Friday night.
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Speaker 2: Janika de Georgio coming up next