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#689: The Empire of Lies | Charles Goyette · Macroaggressions

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Sometimes the universe just speaks to you, you know what I mean?
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New York Times best-selling author
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Charles Goyette
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Well, this one's going to be a treat I can already tell we're warmed up in the pre-show Charles Goyette
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How have our paths not craft crossed sooner? It's a it's a it's great to have you here
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It's good to be on your show and I'm great and thank you for having me on and I'm not in the least bit surprised to know
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That we have people in common like
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Like we've discovered so of course of course we would right of course
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I get I must come I must tell you how the universe is so funny
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I get an email from you you and I are
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corresponding about having you come on the show and
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I'm going I'm digging into your background and I'm going I
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How I miss this guy this there's no there's no way and then I'm scheduled to go on
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With Ernie Hancock following morning
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For a brief conversation three hours as you as you do with Ernie
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And you can't shut him up. It's just can't
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No, not even if you tried bother to try
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We start in and he goes off on tangent and mentions your name and I go whoa whoa whoa wait
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Hang on a second here. I'm just emailing with him like
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Like yesterday afternoon and what you guys are friends. Yeah, we're friends. We used to do radio together
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You gotta ask him about that, you know, he goes on. Yeah, holy shit. I had no idea
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So then we start to un but we go on a 15-minute tangent about you. Oh, no
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Oh, no, it was all
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But we unpack and I just I had
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no idea
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How deep into this you were and boy, this is a real treat
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Well, it's fun for me to and it falls into the category and I even mentioned this in my email back to you
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That it's kind of like a synchronicity, you know, and whenever the universe lines things up like that
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I think okay, there's more to this than meets the eye
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Not I don't know if that's presumptuous to say that but I'll I always give it the benefit of doubt
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There must be more to this than meets the eye. They're sure yeah that exactly
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There's a lot of things that I'll be dismissive of but I've learned over time that when the universe taps you on
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The shoulder with some of these things you it's time to pay attention
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When did you start paying attention in life to all of this?
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You were always on on on this you had questions or did this develop later in life for you sort of I was all I was certainly always
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interested in in freedom and interested in the human movement toward freedom even from the young age
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I
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Don't know when I really I don't know. Oh, I'll tell you one key moment
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I don't know whether this is the one I was in the armed forces and I anchored the news
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I'm one of the armed forces television networks and this dates me
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But I don't mind because I lived there. I saw it in
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1971 President Nixon went on TV on Sunday night to announce his socialist sounding new economic policy
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It sounded very Stalinistic. I think that's where he got the name new economic policy
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But that's when they severed the last tie of the American dollar to gold and I was
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so I'm in the newsroom watching this announcement come down from the satellite and
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And I understood at the time that I didn't understand what he was doing
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I knew there was more to it than met the eye and I knew there was more to it than what he was saying
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And of course now we all we all know what was to what more there was to it and Nixon declared on TV that night
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He declared oh
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And I don't know the terms Charlie forgive me
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But it was like oh the gnomes of Zurich have declared war and international speculators have declared war on the US dollar
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And we have to put a stop to it and we have to and so the United States which our founders had put on a golden silver
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Standard from the very beginning the United States abandoned the gold standard that night on TV
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Nixon
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Characteristically was more worried about the impact of preempting bonanza the popular Sunday night Western television show
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Then on the impact of his program on the nation and his aides I'll talk always so worried about preempting bonanza making people mad
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But anyway, that's so so basically what I didn't understand except in sort of a hazy way at the time was
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the United States had since the end of World War two particularly had had promised
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The nations of the world that they could use the US dollar reliably and if for any reason you didn't trust the US dollar
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You could always redeem your dollars in gold the gold was always there
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You just bring your dollars here will give you gold show you that we're honest people were honest brokers
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And so on and so forth and so the whole world went to the dollar reserve standard
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Which is so much in the public discussion today, right since it's breaking down
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but the whole world went on the dollar reserve standard at the time and
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What I came to realize is I grew a little more mature and investigated was you know
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There it wasn't international speculators or the gnomes of Zurich attacking the United States for some reason
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It's the United States was like any bad check kiter
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We were we were writing checks on account that didn't have sufficient funds
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So we were issuing all these dollars to people telling them that they could be redeemed in gold
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But that we didn't have enough gold to cover them all so it was all our fault
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And it was no international speculators, and it was no gnomes of Zurich and stuff
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But Nixon said oh, this is it. This is a temporary program until the crisis is over
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So what has a longer life Charlie than a government temporary program, you know exactly so yeah
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I'd say it may persist the only thing that lasts longer would be a temporary storage unit, you know
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In my world so yeah, and that's that's it's funny because the the money
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The money kind of wakes people up, you know the fake money at least it did did with me
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So how
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When how long did it take because I was you know, I was too young then but how long did it take before?
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What Nixon announced with that with that move and where things started to feel noticeably different
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Was it instantaneous was there a bit of a a couple year lag in it like when did you notice that it wasn't the way?
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It was instantaneous. It was a disaster
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There were like like at any time that the government interferes in wages
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Which are price all prices are signals about the availability of supply and demand and people have to adjust
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Assuming the price contains information. Oh, I have to find alternatives. Oh, I need other supplies
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Oh, I'll have to cut back here. Oh, I can you know
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I need to build inventory for the future if the prices arise they can think prices contain signals about how to act appropriately
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And that's absolutely indispensable to businesses and stuff
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immediately
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Things got really bad in the United States. One of the things that they fixed the prices of of course was food
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You know, it's always, you know, it's always
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You know, oh, it's always energy first and then food suffers later as in the current environment
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You know the food thing's gonna get out of control in the next few months, but but immediately things like the freeze on the freeze on
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Prices of meat meant that if you went to the grocery store, there were nice low prices and all the counters
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But the counters were empty, you know, there was just no supply and housewives housewives started complaining about it
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You know trying at the time you can't say housewives today. You have to say, you know
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Homemakers or families, you know can't make that but at the time it was all about all the the network
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So all the housewives are coming out of the grocery stores and they're really mad things don't work
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And they're asking for the government to do something. Well, hold the phone
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The government already did do something they froze prices
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So you had you had ranchers that were killing their livestock because they couldn't afford to feed it
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And they were drowning chickens because they couldn't afford to feed them
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of course there were shortages throughout the economy and it manifested everywhere and
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The the real I would call it the real deception behind the whole thing is Nixon knew that this would happen
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But he was only interested in getting reelected in 1972
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So prices were running up like crazy because of the fed's policy because of printing money because of deficit spending
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All the symptoms we have today price it so he said well the answer is it to stop the deficit spending
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I've got to buy an election coming up the answer is to freeze prices and wages and so he instituted this program
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And it was a calamity from the very beginning and he got out of it as quickly as he could some of the programs
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I think we're gone within a year and some but by then the election was over but all this stuff is so cynical
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I mean you can find White House tapes of Nixon talking to the chairman of the Federal Reserve Arthur Burns at the time
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And they're talking about you know manipulating federal Federal Reserve policy monetary policy interest rate policy and
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You know Nixon says oh, we got a goose this economy now
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You know elections getting closed the chairman of the Fed says to him. Yeah, yeah
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We'll have to you know, I'll get busy on rates, you know cutting rates make things look good
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You know, I mean it's all just such a contrived
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Conspiracy against the welfare of the people and it's so evident so anyway, I guess that's a long answer
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But that's kind of what started me going but what started you going?
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What started me going was
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Well, I already had big questions about 9-eleven
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It did two years afterwards with the Iraq war where they were trying to sell that using Saddam Hussein, you know
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You suppose huh?
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And I just I thought that this is fishy, but what really kind of cracked my head open was
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So
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Sort of similar to you was the the money component to this
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I read John Perkins book Confessions of an economic man in
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2007
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It and I and it was it wasn't just the book it was the it was where I was in my life at the time
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I was in Vegas in real estate and it was booming and
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I'm reading this book about how he loaned how as a hitman
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they would loan money to
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Countries and and you know and then the countries would fall behind in the payments and then they'd extract, you know something out of them is some
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Bullshit deal that the country didn't want you know
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You know would relinquish its sovereignty and let the IMF or the you know the deep-state control its policies and stuff
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Get us out. Yeah, I'm watching that. I'm reading this book. I'm going. Oh my god. Hang on a second like
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Where I was in Las Vegas working for a new home builder
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We had our own land in-house lender and we would send these people that come in they'd want to buy a house
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They'd fill out the two-page document
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I fax it over to the lender and then they'd start talking and that'd be fine
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But you know, I take a look at their finances and some people had no business buying a house
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But they were getting qualified right and so in their mind
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It's like I guess I can afford it. You're gonna you're gonna give me the money, right?
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I can afford it that in and I had a bad feeling about this
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I thought some of these people are just barely squeaking by and they're in some adjustable
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Rate mortgage that's gonna balloon at some point. It's gonna be bad, right?
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And I was it but it I hadn't connected that it was
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Happening on a much bigger scale, you know, that was when the IMF and World Bank got introduced to me
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And I thought whoa, okay, and then when everything crashed
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The real estate market in Vegas, but the economy in 2008 all that I
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Realized that I I really didn't know anything about money. I mean I thought I did I I've been spending money or making money or doing all this stuff
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But I but I really didn't understand it at all and and I felt like a sucker playing three-card money
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And I'm just like that one and it's like nope wrong again, you know, and I just okay
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I need to understand how it all works and then and for me I went and got into
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Creature from Jekyll Island and the Federal Reserve and trying to understand the money side of it
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And once that light bulb went off then it all made a little bit more sense to me
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That was well
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We took similar paths in because that was it was a big part of mine, you know, you might enjoy reliving some of your Las Vegas
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experiences with Doug French who was a I think he was a
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Mortgage guy in Vegas at the time, but he came the president of the Beesus Institute and he's written, you know
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Over the years. I don't know half a dozen articles that I've noticed anyway about what it was like living through it in Las Vegas
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I'm sure you enjoy that a lot. Yeah, we talk it was it was it was everything the movie or the book the big short wrote about
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It was like watching a documentary even down to the scene where they're in the strip club and the strippers talking about doing all that
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I had a similar experience and a guy came in with his real estate agent air quotes and she's
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Dancer he had met the night before and and when we were getting that she was talking to him about maybe buying this house and then
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At the end I said how you know how we doing on the mortgage and she goes oh, I'm gonna do his loan as well
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I was like of course you are of course you yeah, of course you are well
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That's that's interesting pathway to it
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I think the thing that finally put me over the top and made me go out on a national scale as I was a talk show host
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In Phoenix and I was you know talking about a lot of local issues
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National issues of course and elections of course and all those things of course
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But you know things like taxpayer funded stadiums that you know would add
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$300 million to the net worth of the this the football team owner at the expense of the taxpayers and stuff
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I mean all of this corrupt crony stuff was going on and I spent a lot of time trying to explore those myths
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It's trying to stop those things and had some success doing it
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But then finally the same thing that you know had you open your eyes wide was was the Iraq war and it was so
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Transparent it was so unbelievable and yet there was this kind of a mania
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You know of the American people, you know Charlie the
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The on the editorial page of the Arizona Republic, which was the big newspaper at the time like the Desert Sun or whatever you had in the
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Vegas
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One of the editorial writers now these editorial writers, you know are supposed to make the fine intellectual distinctions, of course
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You know and he called me on there now. I can't remember it's been so long
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Go he said well Charles Goyette is he either said I'm a terrorist lover or a Saddam Hussein lover
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Because of my opposition the war and that was kind of the level of the debate, you know
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And if you oppose the war, you know, it was like, you know, you opposed America's troops
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Well, I wanted to save America's troops from the horror
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We see on TV every night that they suffered, you know in years over there not to mention the damage that it's done to
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To our economy and the American reputation overseas. So that kind of that kind of you know brought me out of my local
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Local closet and that's when I started writing books about it
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And you know doing doing national stuff about the war. It wasn't easy. I bet yeah during that time
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I remember that time that was a very difficult time to be against the war
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It was, you know, we got to get them there before they get us here again, you know
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And it was it was the Dixie chicks are getting shut down and I got Dixie chick. That's exactly right. Dixie chick
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Of course, they even stay even said that they were talking about me in Phoenix's. Oh, they're just Dixie chick Charles
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Yeah, but in in retrospect now looking back on it. That's a badge of honor. I mean you were clearly over the target
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Yeah, it doesn't do you much good afterwards. I mean I lost a great career, you know
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Because of it. I wrote an article for the American conservative called how to lose your job and talk radio because it was inevitable
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You know, I'm sandwiched between the biggest war mongers on the planet
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I had Rush Limbaugh as my lead in and Sean Hannity as my lead out, you know
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I'm sandwiched in between these 24 seven war mongering on this radio station
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Oh, it was even worse than that because the station that I worked for was a clear channel and clear channel was a Texas corporation
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The vice chairman of clear channel is the guy that made George W. Bush a millionaire by buying his baseball team
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They were a Texas corporation that been in bed with the bush family for long before I showed up on their flagship station talking against Bush's war and stuff
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So I mean, you know, it gave me a lot of visibility to talk about, you know
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How to lose your job and talk radio and it was it was kind of fun
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But you know, and I don't mind it now and over the years. I've heard from a lot of people about to
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You know, I thought you were crazy at the time
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But I get it now. But you know what is to put a positive spin on it with with my new book
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I've been doing a lot of radio shows and streamers and and talks and stuff and
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I have something to compare it to
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Because compared to the reception I got talking about the Iraq war and the folly of the Iraq war
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The reception I'm getting now even from the most die-hard
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Trumpsters the most die-hard
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MAGA people
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The radio shows that have never said an unkind or critical word about the administration in any respect, you know, I go on there now
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and
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Maybe they're not exactly warm
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They're skeptical, but they're really interested
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And so my reception on this round since I have 25 years ago or something to compare it to 22 years ago to compare it to
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It's it's a lot better now the American people
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I think are much more willing to hear the story about the back story about Iran and they were about the back story about Iraq
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So I guess there's some progress. We'll go good. It only took 20 years a trillion dollars a bunch of dead people
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What how did your path cross with
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Ron paul
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How'd that work out? Oh, this goes way back
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So I I guess I undersold myself when I said, you know, I started getting interested in the stuff with the Iraq war
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But in the 1980s, I think it was 1984
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I put on a series of conferences
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In newport beach california and in scott still arizona
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About all of this economic stuff and uh for speakers. I had ron paul was a headliner
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He was just a congressman from texas that barely anybody knew I had murray rothbard
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I had the unique experience of seeing
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In the lobby of the one in scott still seeing, you know, I'm standing here talking to ron
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It's just before we get going and stuff, you know, everybody's gathering in the auditorium and stuff
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And I'm talking to ron and finally murray arrives
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He's been, you know picked up the airport and he arrives and to watch and stand there and watches as ron goes
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Hello murray
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And murray rothbard goes hi ron, you know, I don't think a lot of people have had that experience
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But anyway, it was it was a great experience. So uh, so I can't I had an idea what was going on
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You know in the economy and by 84 and that's where I first crossed paths with uh with ron paul
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So and then urney had played a role in this speaking of the devil
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In uh, I I was doing because I was a talk show host
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You know, I get invited on these uh panels on the on the news talk networks and stuff all the time to
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You know fight about you know, somebody come up with a wedge issue
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And now you had to be this guy argues against this guy and the moderators in between and it's like
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You know point counterpoint or whatever it was and I was was on one of the networks
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I was on all the networks many times but one of them I was on
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And I just gotten the whisper that ron paul is at least talking about running for president
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I thought I'm gonna do what I can on national tv to push him over
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So we're talking about something on the show completely different
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And I'm watching the clock, you know, I knew when they would have to break in the segment
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I'm watching the clock and I thinking
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You know, I haven't had an opportunity to get my two cents worth in about ron paul
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It's completely off topic and I look and we got like 40 seconds left
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And so I just jumped in and I said the only person who understands any of this stuff
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The only hope we have is a country of getting this country back on the right track getting our financial problems
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Out of under control and so is ron paul
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We can only hope that ron paul actually does run for president
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They kind of looked at me like who are you talking about, you know, so but anyway, uh, that was I I don't know
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I guess I might have somehow it ended up uh
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I might have had a video a dvd of it or something
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But I took it to urney who was my producer at the time or had been before that
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I took it to urney and he replicated it and put it on youtube and circulated all over the country
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So we got some mileage out of that out of that event and ron
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You know agreed to run and had two successful runs and last time I was on the show talking about my current book a few months ago
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You know, he said, yeah
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Charles and you and one of the two of the other guys had the bright idea that I should run for president
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Yeah, I guess so
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Well, your book comes out the at least the title of your book empire of lies comes out of
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A very famous ron paul quote truth is treason in the empire of lies. What a
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What a poignant sentence
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How how has that uh, how was that one statement sort of stuck with you over the years?
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It stuck with me so well when I first heard that I thought that explains a lot that is so succinct
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It you know it it uh, the empire of lies is a great phrase. So here's here's what I did
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Uh, when I heard that I went and I grabbed the domain names
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The empire of lies and empire of lies dot com. I grabbed them both
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I didn't have any particular purpose for them
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But I grabbed them said one of these days. I'm going to do something with that
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And so I ended up writing the current book and I had these domain names
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And you know, I I probably made a mistake because I didn't realize other people caught the magic of that name too
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So if you go on amazon, they're probably I don't know three or four books called empire of lies
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You know, there's a detective story and there's another there's a war story and stuff
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You know, so people liked the term it had a hook to it and stuff
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But I had the domain names and so I was that well
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I'm just going to go ahead and call this book the empire lies either even though other people have gotten on it
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So, uh, yeah, but it made it made it like a lot of things that ron paul has said over the years. It made a big impression on me
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Yeah, you know, I'm not a voter. I've only voted twice
27:30
For um crazy ross perot in 92. It was the first time I could vote
27:35
And and charlie wait a minute. Hold the phone right there
27:39
Do you know where I met our mutual friend, uh, ernaz tancock?
27:43
Was it at a crazy ross perot? Yes
27:46
He was he was doing something he was the arizona coordinator or something for ross perot
27:52
And so I had him on the show once and he came on and he talked about all ross perot is ross perot that and
27:58
You know and of course I I wasn't a ross perot guy but better him than you know
28:03
The other people that were typically running and he was certainly right about the giant sucking sound of jobs and stuff like that
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and
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But anyway, so I'm sorry to interrupt you, but I thought you'd like to know that that's there
28:14
There's another connection there. I'm not surprised. I mean that that was that was you know, I'm at that point
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I was 20
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and didn't know
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Much of anything
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But I did know that I didn't like the other guys. I didn't like george hw bush. I didn't like bill clinton
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They were obviously oh my god, but in in ross perot
28:35
Was the it was the first time I felt like a politician was talking was speaking to me
28:41
In in english and wasn't talking to me in euphemisms or or or doing the thing like this or you know
28:48
I went with his thumb and and all of that. He he felt I mean as real as a guy could be
28:55
He he just he felt like a kind of like a cartoon character
28:58
You know like what you would be if you were like a really rich crazy guy from texas like that's sort of envisioned a ross
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Perot type of guy. What happens if that guy?
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Comes in and fixes the eye of the government
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I just like the idea of somebody from the outside who wasn't really part of that whole thing
29:14
coming in
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And fixing it and that appealed to me
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That's why I liked I liked his candor about stuff that nobody ever talked about, you know
29:23
The giant sucking sound is an example
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I mean he he knew where you know federal the federal deficit in us debt was headed
29:31
You know and the circuitous path that it might take and he wanted to do something about it and stuff
29:35
So it was kind of a breath of fresh air and and you know anybody that's I guess could be
29:42
Considered a bomb thrower into the cronyism of the republicans and democrats in this day and age is probably
29:48
Doing us all the service, you know to blow him up and expose him expose him where you can and so he did a good job of that
29:55
So I wish I wish he had been a little more experienced
29:58
I think in politics because people would ask him well, how are you going to fix this, you know
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Like he was talking specifically about the budget issues and the spending and so on how are you going to fix this?
30:07
You know well laring we're going to get the best minds together
30:10
We're going to get all the best minds in one room
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We're going to sit down in the one room with all the best minds
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And so, you know, I wanted something substantive about out of him, you know, I don't want you know
30:19
We've been plagued with the best minds all our lives. I was thinking about this the other day the uh, you know when when the
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the CIA
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Started getting antsy
30:28
About americans not buying the john f kennedy magic bullet lone gunman
30:33
Story and they started cultivating the term and I know you know this about conspiracy theories and stuff like that
30:39
The statements they put out one of the statements was you know was basically was trust the war and commission
30:45
These are the best minds of our time gathered together in one and I thought yeah, that's how it works
30:49
You know a bunch of gray government men investigating gray government or dark government deeds
30:55
Coming up with a foreordained conclusion because it's the best minds of our time
30:59
So I always hated that best minds of our time. It's always the same old, you know state actors deep state actors that
31:05
Get named as the best minds when in fact our living experiences. There's some of the worst minds of our time
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absolutely
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Well, dr. Paul's always been very anti-war and here we are in the brink of world war three or maybe even in it
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Uh
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What's your take on this? Where are you seeing things?
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Headed with this. Uh, I mean look, we're not you and I are not physically located in the middle east
31:31
I don't know that that's even gonna matter. This seems like it's more of an energy war than anything and that's going to be felt
31:37
globally
31:37
How are you feeling about this the direction things are headed? Yeah, charlie. I feel I feel I feel I feel it's very dark
31:46
Very dark and um
31:48
You know as I recount in the book and during the cuban missile crisis in 1962 the american people
31:54
The government was candid about about the threat, you know, we've discovered these encampments this emplacements of missiles
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You know, we're gonna have a embargo and we're gonna do this and we're gonna do that and uh to end it and um
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Kennedy was having political troubles at the time a lot of pundits said, you know, that he would have a hard time getting reelected
32:13
in uh 64
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But the truth is the american people loved the way he handled that and ended
32:19
That crisis because it came down even to the level of school kids in the schoolyard
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You know that we were facing an existential threat that there was a real threat
32:28
And to this day, you know, the pundits and the historians say the closest the world has ever come to a nuclear cataclysm and so on
32:35
But so the american people knew it then we have no idea how close we have come in the current uh mess for example in ukraine
32:42
and the new york times
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Typical of the new york times they never tell you the story when it matters when it's ongoing
32:51
It's only afterwards they sometimes do a retrospective or something but they did a story about uh
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I'm trying to think it was about uh, I think it was about a year ago
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About uh, they called it the partnership and just how close we came to a nuclear
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confrontation with the soviets. We were using american intelligence
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Guiding ukrainian forces inside russia to attack russians on russian soil. This was a red line
33:16
For the russians and uh, the american people didn't know it
33:20
Basically, it was all concealed. You know, you can hardly believe that biden knew it
33:25
Trump wouldn't have known it. Nobody really knew it, but it was really dark and it was really dangerous
33:30
You know, the europeans are on such a deadly march to war. They are so intent on war
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It reminds me of you know when the archduke got shot in uh, you know the triggered world war one. It's like
33:44
Historians are still at pains to understand how all these forces came together and it only took one trigger event
33:49
For all the other kindling that was already dry and ready to be sparked, you know to ignite into in this configuration
33:57
And um, it's kind of the same thing now. The europeans are determined in in my view to have a have a war with russia
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Russia came out yesterday or the day before
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Saying, you know, if you if if anybody attacks us at kalina grad, you know, that is a nuclear trigger for us
34:15
That is another red line that you will have crossed and stuff
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But they you know, there are people fomenting war and urging war and talking about war at every turn without any conception of
34:26
Just how bad it is. So I think I think it's very serious. You can read the seriousness of it
34:33
In trumps, you know talk, you know, a whole civilization will be wiped out tonight
34:38
You know, it will be very hell raining down on you like you've never experienced before
34:43
Well, we could either wipe you off the face of the earth, you know, or you could do it my way
34:47
I mean this this isn't this isn't the normal kind of
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You know conversation you would have in an existential crisis you would hope
34:57
You know, not everybody trying to be the toughest guy and beat his chest the hardest about how tough they are and what they can do and stuff
35:04
You know, you want some sort of conciliation
35:07
And things but anyway, I think it's I think it's very grim and I think the biggest risk in my view
35:13
Is that there are a lot of forces at work that intend to merge these two wars would very much like to
35:19
So you have the war you have the war with aran that is basically
35:23
You know the united states and israel versus aran, but aran is
35:29
essential to to china in terms of energy supplies
35:32
It's borders russia and central to russia's needs at the same time you have
35:38
You know a proxy war the united states at war with russia in ukraine
35:42
You have the europeans mad for expansion of of that war the idea that
35:48
Any of the any of the russians red lines about expansion of nato up to their border could be legitimate
35:54
You know, they scoff at them. They laugh them off
35:57
So and then you get you know zolensky who wants he wants
36:02
Ukraine to be an adjunct of israel
36:05
You've got all of these forces coming to work and you know when and urney will remember this
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There was a time I guess 20 years ago. I don't remember if he and I were working together
36:14
But there was a you know, I know nothing about forest fires and fighting forest fires
36:19
But I remember there were one summer in the in the mountains above phoenix in the in the pine areas
36:24
There were two forest fires going on at once one over here and one over there
36:28
And I kept watching these you know these fire fighter guys in the forest service folks were saying
36:32
Well, we're putting all our resources here because if these two fires join up
36:37
Then it really becomes one hell of a problem
36:40
And you're thinking well one plus one equals two. Well, it doesn't one plus one doesn't always equal two
36:45
And they were terrible and and it turned out they were right because despite their best efforts
36:50
Those two fires did join up and it was a nightmare
36:54
So i'm looking at this thing, you know, there there's every possibility
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There's every prospect that these two forces these two fire fires will join up
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And then you really do have world war three
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No question about it. You have all the players lined up. You've got
37:11
You know, pakistan talks at one time about you know, if israel attacks
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Iran with nuclear weapons that pakistan is going to jump in
37:20
You've got russia supposedly has warned netanyahu not to do that
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You've got uh, I mean all of these forces are coming together and it's like a tangled spaghetti plate of interest
37:32
And you can't trust
37:34
That our leadership has any idea how to unwind this stuff
37:38
But they just keep feeding it and feeding it and feeding it. So i'm i'm very very worried about where they're taking us
37:47
You've seen what's been going on recently in france in the last 24 hours 48 hours
37:52
And this all feels very manufactured, of course. It's it's it's made to happen
37:57
It's it's not an accident that this that's very collergy plan ish
38:02
To to destabilize these forces is that you see
38:06
You see that as maybe a future
38:09
For us in the united states
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It whipped up into into some actual, you know fires on the streets cars burning things like that
38:16
Yeah, well, we've we've seen so much of it already and we're I think we're a lot closer
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Uh, I I think it's fair to say this is I hope it's not just drawn on the the years of my lifetime
38:28
But the country is very very polarized and everybody's a little hotheaded now
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And uh, people are willing to take to the streets, you know the uh
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One thing that happens in a in a collapse of an empire like ours is there are fewer resources to go around
38:44
So some of the volatility some of the intensity of the political divide
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Is driven by the fact that there's not enough to sustain all these people at the public expense the way it has been
38:54
You know the ngos that kept antifas going and all these other leftist programs and stuff
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They're getting their juice cut off, you know, so all those programs so they're getting a little desperate
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They don't have the money now so they you know, here's here's the problem as I see it
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And this has been a lifetime phenomena for me
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generations of these people the people that uh
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You know took to the streets for uh
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Occupy wall street for example at the time we were talking about you know when the mortgage meltdown happened and stuff
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I kind of sympathized with them when they stood out there and they watched these bankers all get bailed out
39:29
And americans were losing their homes by the millions. That's not an exaggeration by the millions
39:35
So the american people could lose their homes the bankers were all getting bailed out
39:38
So occupy wall street turned out in the streets of manhattan with signs
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Pointed up at the guys on the top floor saying jump jump
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I mean, you know and so and so and you you you could certainly understand why they felt that way
39:53
But we've got a whole generation of people or more than a generation in my view that have been taught to believe
39:59
Well, we use the word entitlements. They have been taught to believe that they are entitled so they're entitled to housing
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They're entitled to food. They're entitled to education. They're entitled to medical care. Everything is an entitlement
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so
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Put aside the question of you know, well who pays for it?
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If you're entitled to medicare that means that somebody has to be conscripted
40:23
Have to has to be enslaved or by one means or another you can call it something else
40:27
But somebody else has to provide it
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So if a hundred million people are entitled to something you got 200 million other people that have to provide it
40:35
Has to come from somewhere. It doesn't just you know
40:38
Materialize out of the incredible bread machine
40:41
So
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But they've been taught that it's a property right
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They have been taught that uh, you know, they're right to an education
40:47
They're right to a home. They're right to food. They're right to medical care is a property right and
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I don't know about you. I kind of suspect I do know about you
40:55
But when somebody tries to steal my property, you know, I'm really really angry about it
41:00
It doesn't go down well and I start getting
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Really protective of my property
41:05
Well, they think they have been taught with little pushback from the society that all these things are their property
41:12
So now we're entering a time of severe economic stress. It's just getting started and so all of these entitlements
41:20
It's the government's word not not mine when they created things like medicare
41:25
The name of the law was entitlements the word entitlement was in there three or four times
41:30
These means things that people are entitled to
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So when their entitlements start getting threatened, they start getting militant about it and they start pushing back
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So the resources have to come from somewhere and the people that they expect are
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Have to be
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Servants to provide for their entitlements start pushing back and so this this is what you know
41:50
This is what we're feeding there's a the pie is shrinking and so the claims to the pie are becoming more and more strident
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and
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it's all it's all
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So foreseeable and at the time you were starting to wonder about this stuff in uh palm springs and in los vegas
42:07
You know that was the time to stop it
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And everybody everybody says well, what do we do now? What do we do? What do we do now?
42:14
Here's what you do now. It's sunday morning. You have a hangover. Don't drink on saturday night
42:18
You know, that's what that's how you solve it if you think there's gonna be a magic cure all you got to go back in time
42:25
So there's no magic cure and uh, it's it's getting very desperate and as the resources become more and more strained
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It becomes more and more desperate
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Yeah, that's uh
42:37
That's a that's a real problem because we've been a bit spoiled here. We we have a magic
42:43
supply chain that just
42:44
Food gets delivered shows up in the grocery store every day
42:48
Yeah, like magic and at some point
42:51
Well, covid we saw
42:54
toilet paper
42:54
It can go away. You never know it can just vanish and you go oh god toilet paper, right? Well, there's
43:00
Alternatives to that right you could it's not the
43:03
The one thing that you can't live without but it it did wake a lot of people up to the fragility of our system, right?
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of our
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interdependence on
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The supply chain but also other countries that provide the sorts of things that are through our supply chain that we need
43:21
Why are we picking a fight with china when they control 90 plus percent of our pharmaceuticals and make
43:27
Like they want to have us have america come off their psych meds all at once
43:32
They just turn the little knob off and no more medicine flows our way. This feels like it's a
43:38
A prescription for for a catastrophe. Is it not? Well, that's how I know that you and I are you know political blood brothers
43:47
Because I there's nothing more important than these supply chains and as you said they're fragile
43:52
They're very delicate and you got a blunder bus in the white house
43:55
It doesn't know what he's doing and I you know
43:57
I'm trying to think of a good example in the tariffs and the only one I followed in the first administration was was
44:04
Soybeans, I don't know why I picked it, but I thought well, I'll just track, you know, soybeans because you know
44:09
China has a lot of pork people like to eat pork in China
44:12
They need feed so they buy soybeans for people in the united states like places
44:16
I guess, Oregon and washington a lot of soybeans to go over there
44:19
But when you stop it when the government says no, you can't do it anymore
44:21
What's china gonna do? They're not good. You don't think they're gonna feed their pork
44:25
You don't think they're gonna feed the farm animals anymore. They're gonna let the people go hungry
44:29
So they have to go out and find alternative supplies
44:33
And so they start they start buying
44:37
Soybeans from others and people in south america are going
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Yeah, we can grow soybeans here and they start building roads
44:45
and ports to transport them and
44:48
Clearing land and planting soybeans and then some point down the road the stable genius in the white house is well
44:55
I'm gonna you know the farmers are complaining. Oh, here's what they did when the farmers first started complaining
45:00
They started giving them more taxpayer money
45:02
In other words instead of letting them just earn their way with the product that they raised and sold and were accustomed to
45:08
Selling and made the world a more interdependent and peaceful place
45:11
Oh, well, we'll tax the rest of the american people to give it to these aggrieved people because they are aggrieved
45:15
And they're losing market share. So of course that cost the american people more but in the meantime
45:20
The soybean farmers of america were losing market share in a places like i guess brazil and stuff and now they had ports
45:26
They had roads so they could they could undersell the united states their labor costs were
45:30
Were lower and stuff so china started developing other supply lines
45:34
So finally when the tariffs came off the market share that american farmers had has never been restored to my knowledge
45:41
You know this because it is as you described it's these these supply lines are very fragile and yet
45:48
This the the president was like a guy suffering from shaken baby syndrome you the tariffs were on they were off
45:54
They're 50 percent. They're 100 percent. They're tomorrow. They're on they're gonna be off next week
45:58
I mean it was insane. You could you couldn't keep up with it
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And they were all very costly and very very damaged damaging to all these delicate
46:08
Supply chains and now
46:10
You know, it's all being magnified. It's not just tariffs, but it's kinetic warfare too, right?
46:15
So so, you know besides you know besides the threat of uh, you know taxes
46:20
Which is what tariffs are additional taxes making things more costly for americans and so on
46:25
Besides that you've got uh, you know oil at a hundred dollars a barrel and you've got you know, uh
46:32
Fertilizer and helium and all kinds of all kinds of other goods that come out of the the middle east
46:37
That are no longer dependable. And so I've been saying from the start of this war, you know
46:42
First you'll see it in fuel
46:44
You'll see it in fuel first and then you'll see it at the grocery store in the form of food prices
46:48
And it's gonna get wicked ugly
46:51
And I don't mind being on record about this because when the war broke out at the end of uh, march
46:56
I've been saying you'll see you'll see it in energy first
46:59
But you wait as the year progresses you're gonna really really start seeing it in food
47:04
We're in for a hell of a ride in food now starting now. I mean
47:10
This isn't it's not academic stuff, you know
47:12
The people turn on the evening news and they see david murray say oh diesel's way up and stuff
47:17
Well, yeah, it's way up and those farmers use diesel equipment to harvest that food and it's
47:23
Everything you buy it safe way is transported there by diesel and stuff
47:26
And so it's an additional cost to the american people and it's been imposed on it's been imposed on the american people without their consent
47:34
Without the rule of law without the declaration of a war
47:38
and uh
47:39
So, you know, I guess we're gonna we're gonna suffer the consequences of that
47:43
I think the food thing's gonna get get really bad over the next between now and the end of the year
47:48
It's gonna start being really painful
47:51
Who's gonna get hurt first by that is that going to be the south asia
47:56
Countries the africa countries that are in proximity that that really get a lot of their
48:02
Nitrogen urea fertilizers out of the persian gulf and no longer can get are they are they gonna be the ones that feel it first
48:09
Or are we gonna feel it because we are
48:12
We're not in how do you think this plays out?
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Yeah, I don't know exactly but it it's clear that you know the poorer you are the more you're gonna feel it
48:19
Sooner so I think you know third world countries are gonna
48:23
Really feel it and they're gonna complain bitterly about it
48:26
They're gonna be turned against the first world meaning us not all the first world
48:29
But the guys that did this to them they're gonna turn against us
48:32
I mean the united states government seems to delight in nothing more than making enemies for the american people
48:37
This is gonna make a lot of enemies so they're gonna feel it
48:39
But the the american people it's just you know, they have no idea
48:44
In my view what exactly is coming, you know household budgets are strained already
48:49
Um
48:50
You know, I'm told by somebody very very prominent family in america and my friends
48:56
My friends grandkids now are just out of college and he's telling me they have a name that would open any door in world
49:03
And he tells me that his grandkids fresh out of college. They're triplets. They're all very smart
49:09
He said they're having a hard time finding jobs. It says is very tough out there. Well, of course who's expanding
49:15
You know borrowing costs are going up market shares are declining and stuff. I mean, I just
49:20
These are the the first signs in
49:24
um, I don't know the you know scott
49:28
I am what does he say? I am the market. No, he says I am the house. Oh, yes scott
49:33
I am the house basant, you know is doing crazy stuff
49:38
With uh, well here here's just here. Just one example of pardon me for going on so long about this
49:42
Push my button
49:46
So three or four weeks ago
49:48
You know
49:49
The united states you would think that you wouldn't think that this would be the case the united states the most
49:54
Prosperous country in the history of mankind over the years over the century or so
49:58
Uh, is also the biggest debtor in the world
50:02
The government's the biggest debtor in the world
50:03
So we have to borrow a lot of money to keep this ponzi scheme going
50:07
So we are dependent on the kindness of foreign strangers
50:10
We have to borrow money from foreigners in foreign countries
50:14
To sustain our spending our deficit spending and our wars and our welfare state
50:19
We have to borrow money from foreigners and for a long time. They were all in it
50:24
You know china china was a huge
50:26
Creditor of the united states russia was an important credit to the united states russia's out of the game now
50:31
You know since we froze their assets, you know, they don't want any part of you know that risk
50:35
Yeah, but china
50:37
I it wasn't too many years ago that china owned, you know, when when
50:42
The government needs to borrow money they sell bonds or or notes and foreigners buy those and it says this pays this much interest
50:49
And it's redeemable in 10 years or 20 years or whatever the term of the the note or the bond is
50:55
At full face value and so on so they they lend us money by buying us treasury instruments
51:00
So china was our major creditor. They owned about 1.2 or 1.3
51:07
trillion dollars of us debt instruments
51:10
well
51:11
They've cut that in half
51:13
At a time we're borrowing more we need more than we ever have in history. They've cut their lending to us in half
51:18
So now the major creditor of the united states is japan
51:22
Japan holds like 1.1 1.2 trillion dollars of us debt insurance. Okay. Think about this
51:29
A couple of weeks ago, I mean washington's terrified the treasury is terrified
51:33
That japan may do something at the time that we have maximum borrowing needs
51:37
They're afraid that japan may dump those bonds
51:41
Driving interest rates higher making it harder for us to borrow having to pay more money to borrow and stuff
51:46
All the stuff that's actually going on interest rates going up
51:49
So they're desperate to keep them in the game as a creditor of the united states
51:54
so bastant starts playing these uh
51:57
kind of kind of treasury department games of
52:02
repo agreements and stuff to you know lend them money overnight so that they won't have to sell their bonds because they're having a
52:07
yen crisis of their own and
52:10
Maybe we can help them get through it without selling any bonds. We don't want them to sell their bonds
52:13
So, okay, that's on the one hand
52:16
We're doing everything we can under the table to keep them in the game and keep buying our bonds
52:20
We don't want them to sell our bonds. We've got an interest rate crisis already
52:23
It's about to get worse if they sell them if they dump them it's gonna get much worse
52:27
So we keep them in and then with the same breath
52:31
He announces this program and I don't remember what he calls it
52:34
It's the god's gonna come kill you all program or something that anybody that looks cross-eyed at Iran
52:41
Anybody that buys anything from Iran
52:44
Anybody that's friendly to Iran or buys oil from them, you know, we're gonna impose
52:49
We're gonna impose these strict terms on them. They won't be able to you know
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Use American banks or the Swift international payment system, you know, there'll be pariahs in the economic world
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We're clamping down on them hard now. I'm thinking they want to they need to borrow more than ever
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They need all the borrowers they can so they try to keep Japan in the game
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But on the other hand they say the United States dollar is not a neutral reliable
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unit of global exchange
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If you do not follow our political whims, we will ruin you. We will destroy or freeze or
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Sanction your u.s dollars. So of course that makes more countries beat feet. They know the exposure
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They know the risk they have it's so I mean, this is just schizophrenia. It's just absolute schizophrenia
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We've got to keep these people in the game
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We've got to drive these people out of the game if they don't do what we want
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And nobody wants to do what we want. Nobody else wants a war but us in Israel
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So here we are. Anyway, that's that's the times we live in
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Who's in charge of this?
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You know what I mean like
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You know, we've made the joke that trump is like in the backseat of the car with the little kid steering wheel, you know
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And everybody's saying yeah, sure pretend like you you're you're
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You're turning us to the right or to the left or whatever you need to tell yourself
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But somebody is driving this this
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Clown car off a cliff and it's obvious for us. We see it right
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We we rightly see the the very uh real issues here
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What's what's it gonna take is it gonna take people out in the streets in america actually getting people angry?
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I mean, I don't know that I don't know that people will organically do that unless their television or or cell phone tells them to
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But I mean is there
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How does this end in america does it end with people does it does america look the way france looks?
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I
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Guess it's a possibility who who's driving the thing? I mean we use the cover term the deep state
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You know because there are interests. I think the deep state's a great term for it
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You know in the olden days people have used other terms like the invisible government the shadow government
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Uh, so on and so forth, but the deep state is has a kind of ominous sound which describes it
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I think accurately and it shows that how deep it is, you know, people think that the deep state is confined to, you know, like
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Brennan and clapper and these guys and the intelligence the head of the intelligence agencies that go light of congress under
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Under oath and get away with it. Yeah, they're part of the deep state and fbi
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Leaders part of the deep state. It's all the deep state, but it works its way all the way down the bureaucracy
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It's not just the guys at the top
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you had
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You had venman. I think his name was arthur or somebody venman in the first trump administration
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He was a lieutenant colonel in the army. He's ukrainian. He has a twin brother. He was they're both ukrainian speakers
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I don't know if they're naturalized americans, but they're both both army officers
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He was on the national security staff at the white house his portfolio
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Of course, his primary interest was ukraine keeping the war going in ukraine getting the united states involved in ukraine
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So this is in the first. He's the guy
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that uh
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Effectively blew the whistle that started the first trump impeachment and what was his complaint against trump? It was
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trump is not following
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The interagency consensus
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And i'm thinking
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I have a copy of the constitution right here in my desk drawer. I've been through this since I was in seventh grade
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There is no provision for an interagency. I don't know what that means. What are the rules it abides by?
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Who gets to be on the interagency? Do they have meetings who pays for them?
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What uh, what what is their sphere of influence? What do they get to decide who the hell is the interagency?
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And how do they form a consensus as a majority is they have to be a super majority?
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When do they meet and how is this done?
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But that was the complaint trump is not following the interagency consensus
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So this is all the way down the food chain. This isn't brennan and clapper and the guys at the top
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It's not you know guys that run the state department and stuff
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It's all the way down the level of lieutenant colonel because he answers to higher forces who answer to higher forces
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Who answer to higher forces?
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They all want to get promoted in his case
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His it's that he wasn't just getting promoted by the deep state superiors
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His interest was in you know fomenting the the war in ukraine and getting the american taxpayers to pay for it
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So, I mean we're we're controlled. There's a death grip
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Uh on the neck of the american people by the deep state and it sounds ridiculous
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To say that we're subjected to it when we have a constitution and we have a rule book
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But they act with impunity and without regard to our rule book and uh
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You know trump's only been in trouble when he's defied the interagency consensus
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But when he does what the interagency wants like strikes ran
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Then they back off on him
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So how this how this ends? I don't know. I mean the long-term end has to be massive decentralization of america, right?
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Decentralization of government authority
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You know back to local control the important decisions should be made
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You know right now the important decisions are made in washington who you're gonna war with who you're gonna attack
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If your kids are gonna be drafted where they're gonna be sent, you know, how much tax you pay
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All of those decisions were supposed to be localized
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I mean the basic unit of government in the united states and the founders version
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Was the county, you know, I mean, you know, you had county attorneys, you know murder tried by counties
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You know voting was run by counties and stuff, you know
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So there's gonna have to be massive decentralization and disempowering of these things in education and fiscal policy
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in
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in
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elections in
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in
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Everything in our lives and you know, it might be painful to get there
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But I I think that's that's the only hope now is a decentralization of government. So that means to disempower washington, all right
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Would you describe yourself as being optimistic? I mean, I know we sort of have to be
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Realistic where is that line between realistic and optimistic?
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Oh boy, you really put a spotlight on me now. Thanks a lot
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No, I look nobody nobody that I talked to about these things
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Thinks that I'm
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Optimistic about what we're facing today and it's my cross to bear. I don't you know, it's to me
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I'm saying look, I don't you know, I'm not by nature. I have a good life. I have a great family
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You know, I'm happy in life. I love my wife
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You know, you know all those things I'm optimistic about all of those things
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But you know, you're looking at your national government. It's like I've seen down
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I've seen down the road
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You're racing down the road at 80 miles an hour and I've been around the curve there
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And I've seen that there's the bridge out there and I'm just coming down
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I'm go hey slow down tap the brakes do something slow down the bridge is out right around
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You don't see yet, but it's right around the corner
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The world has been through this sort of thing racing to a bridge that's out many many times
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Same syndrome here are the signs. The bridge is out. It got washed out, you know
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So if that's a proxy for being pessimistic, I guess I guess it is
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You know, I'm not by nature a pessimist, but I'm I'm certainly a realist. I'm economic realist, you know
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The whole funny money game is coming to an end
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You know, who who came up with the idea that we could print our way to prosperity
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You know make up money and print our way to prosperity. I mean
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It's all just it's all basically insane. You know, I lived with this all my growing up life. You had I saw barack obama
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On david letterman show years ago. I think he was running for reelection at the time
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And he goes on david letterman show and david letterman's giving him softballs because you know letterman's that kind of guy
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And he's giving him softballs. He goes, so how much is the national debt?
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And you saw the terror in obama's eyes because he didn't know
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And you know, it's the one metric that everybody should be able to understand
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You know, if you have to raise the debt ceiling people understand there's something wrong everybody
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At least the president should know what the national debt is. I know how much it is and i'm not the president
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He didn't know and he kind of froze for a second
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So letterman tried to help him. He goes well, is it
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Five trillion or is it and so, you know, obama's a pretty quick guy
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So he had to pivot because he didn't know what it was and he said well
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The thing you have to know about the national debt is that we owe it to ourselves
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And i'm thinking, you know, you know, are you playing us for idiots, you know
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Does my left pocket owe it to my right pocket? No somebody somebody loaned the money to the government
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They expect to get paid back. You're gonna make me pay it. What do you mean? We owe it to ourselves if we owe it to ourselves
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Let's clear the books
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Declare the debts all paid and no, but everybody will be happy because it's just money we owed ourselves
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You know, but i've lived with this stuff all the time, you know, you can spend your way to prosperity deficit spending
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That's the canesian rule of the day, you know, we can we can spend our way to prosperity
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John Maynard Keynes was the economist that has set the
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Economic table for americans since the 1930s, you know, it's all deficit spending and the idea was
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You know, if we're running a if we're in a recession people aren't spending
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Well, they're not spending because they need to reliquify themselves re fortify themselves
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Need to get pay off bad debts balance investments and so on
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But if the people aren't spending well, the government will step in and spend money
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We don't have and that'll be like a flywheel that balances everything and stuff, you know
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It was a crock. It was a crock of you know, what I mean even then they said and then in good times
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We'll you know balance the books again, you know, we'll generate a surplus. We'll pay off the debt
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Well, they never did that part of it, you know, it was always just you know, so but anyway, you'll like this
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I wrote in one of my books. I wrote
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about Keynes
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Who said here here's what you could do if you wanted to reestablish prosperity in the country. It's just like
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You could go out in the countryside
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And bury a bunch of like bills like dollar bills or notes or something in bottles
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And bury it all throughout the countryside all this money and all these bottles and bury them in the earth
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someplace
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And then you tell people that all this money is buried out there and be be a burst of economic activity
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And people be driving there and staying in hotels there and buying dinners at the restaurants and buying
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Shovels and Levi's to work and dig up the bottles and stuff like that
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And so I put that as an example of Keynesian madness in my book and my editor
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Said that has to be a parody. That's not true. That's not what he really thought. Yeah, it it's true. That was really
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Really what he thought never mind that the money that they buried in those bottles came from someplace else
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It was going to be used for something productive instead of some game of you know
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Dig up the bottles with the money that we buried, you know duplicative work and stuff and you know people spending
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You know good resources and uh, you know good money to chase
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Money that's buried in bottles that wasn't buried in bottles last week
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You know, but anyway that my editor said, oh, that's got it. Yeah, I said no hair
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I'll me give you give you the citation. You read it for yourself. She couldn't believe it
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She couldn't believe it
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But the american people have bought this story all of this time
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You know, well that game's coming to an end
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You know that we could spend our way to prosperity that we owe it to ourselves that they can print money
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And it will somehow make us wealthier all that has the jigs is up. It's all over with
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Where is the best place for people to buy your book empire of lies to support your work to get into
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More of what you've been talking about for the last. Oh, I don't know 300 years here on the radio
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The only place you can get it now is amazon.com and it's uh the empire of lies
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it's uh
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The empire of lies fragments from the memory hole
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And it's a it's a really important book because you know, it talks about the lies
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It's not a history book exactly, but it talks about the you know, the syndromes that they use when they want to
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You know sell you a phony war or sell you, you know an economic fraudulent pro
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And this is how they do it and this and here's how you'll know when they're doing it again and stuff
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So the idea is you know to help people be alert so they won't get
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You know fleeced again or stampeded into another phony war
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and uh
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You know, it's it's important. It's an important pain attention
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Yeah, I hope so it's it's a it's a crucial time for people to be paying attention to what's going on out there
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This is not a time to have their head your head in the sand for you or your family
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That's charles go yet everybody. Uh go support his work go buy his book
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Go check out his his work for over the last
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Decades and if you want to support my work or check it out you can go to macro aggressions.io
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You can go to activist post.com. Thanks everybody. We'll talk to you again soon charlie. Thank you