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Speaker 1: What's up everybody. Welcome in to another edition of Foul Territory.
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Speaker 1: I'm Kyle Glazer Pinch Hitting today as your host, joined
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Speaker 1: as always by the great Aj Prasinski and Eric Kratz. Guys,
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Speaker 1: it's exciting times, got the GM meetings going, It's award seasons,
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Speaker 1: SILD votes are announced tonight. It's a good time.
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Speaker 2: It is. It is a good time. It's a weird
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Speaker 2: time for baseball fans because there's no games going on
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Speaker 2: really other than I guess the Winter leagues. But as
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Speaker 2: far as awards and free agencies is ready to kick
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Speaker 2: off and GM meetings where gms will have interviews and
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Speaker 2: say nothing. We'd like to really spend money, but we're
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Speaker 2: not going to spend money. We want affordable guys, but
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Speaker 2: we're willing to go out and sign. It's always nothing.
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Speaker 2: So I'm just waiting for a GM to say something
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Speaker 2: at one time, like Brian Cashman had it happened a
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Speaker 2: couple of years ago. But when will the GM say something.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we did see yesterday Jed Hoyer at the Cubs
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Speaker 1: talk about, hey, they are going to prioritize pitching. We
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Speaker 1: saw Aj Pearler, I thought interestingly mentioned that they are
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Speaker 1: interested in bringing back Luisa riz at first base just
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Speaker 1: given their power needs, finishing twenty eighth in Homers last year.
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Speaker 1: So I do always feel like they sometimes tip their
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Speaker 1: hand a little bit, but you're right, for the most part,
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Speaker 1: this is not a time when we see the full
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Speaker 1: plan on display. I mean, Eric, you've you've you've seen
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Speaker 1: all the gms speak after all the different teams you've
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Speaker 1: played for over the years. You know that as well
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Speaker 1: as anyone.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, they speak like mice on TV, but they rule
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Speaker 3: like lions behind the scenes. Nobody's ever, Nobody ever sent
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Speaker 3: me down and was like, well, you know, it's really
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Speaker 3: just uh, we'll see where the path goes. No, they're like, sorry,
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Speaker 3: you didn't hit good enough, so we're gonna go and
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Speaker 3: get somebody that does better.
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Speaker 1: Yes, indeed, Well again, we have the SYNG Awards going
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Speaker 1: to be announced tonight, MVP Awards announced tomorrow. A lot
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Speaker 1: of good stuff. And with that, it's time to charge
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Speaker 1: them mount all right, guys, So signing awards will be
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Speaker 1: announced tonight. We have Paul Skeans in the National League
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Speaker 1: and Trek Scoogle in the American League considered pretty much
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Speaker 1: the runaway winners. Age. I want to start with you,
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Speaker 1: the question is not whether Skins and Scooba will win,
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Speaker 1: it's whether or not they will be unanimous. Do you
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Speaker 1: think either of them deserve to be unanimous this year?
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Speaker 3: Uh?
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Speaker 2: Jeez, I think Skimes, Skimes, you know what. I think
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Speaker 2: they gotta both have a chance. I think I think
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Speaker 2: Scooble is gonna get it again. I think I don't know,
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Speaker 2: Crochet and Hunter Brown didn't do enough, especially towards the end.
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Speaker 2: And if you include Sanchez might steal a vote from
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Speaker 2: so I think Scooble will be unanimous. I don't think
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Speaker 2: Schemes will just because I think Sanchez or Yama modor
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Speaker 2: are gonna steal a vote fromwhere. Now here's the better thing.
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Speaker 2: If they included the postseason, I know not all these
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Speaker 2: as in the postseason. You have to make a case
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Speaker 2: for Yamamoto and what he did in the postseason for
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Speaker 2: the Dodgers. So in Christopher Sanchez pitch great. Now, it's
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Speaker 2: not Skeen's fault, they didn't make it, but I think
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Speaker 2: Sanchez or Yamamoto will sneeze steal a vote, and I
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Speaker 2: think School is going to be unanimous.
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Speaker 1: Eric, what about you? Where do you stand? Once again?
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Speaker 1: The NLSA Young finalists Christopher Sanchez with the Phillies, Paul
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Speaker 1: Skeins with the Pirates, Yoshinoba Yamamoto with the Dodgers. Over
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Speaker 1: in the American League, Garrett Crochet with the Red Sox,
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Speaker 1: Hunter Brown with the Astros, and Trek Skouoball. Do you
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Speaker 1: think Scooball or Skeens deserve to be unanimous?
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Speaker 3: I think they do deserve to be unanimous. But I'm
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Speaker 3: going to go the opposite of what aj just said.
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Speaker 3: I think I think in the American League, I think
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Speaker 3: Crochet is probably the only one that gets a chance
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Speaker 3: to maybe take a take a first place vote away
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Speaker 3: from Schooble. I think I think Skeens did exactly what
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Speaker 3: Like his numbers, he had I think one blip on
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Speaker 3: the radar the whole season, but he was he was
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Speaker 3: essentially beginning to end favorite to win the cy Young
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Speaker 3: and he did it like rarely do you see that.
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Speaker 3: Normally it's like, Okay, this dude's coming in. Scooble probably
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Speaker 3: coming in to be that favorite. Again, I think Crochet
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Speaker 3: gave him a run for his money. He ultimately will
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Speaker 3: not will not beat him, but I think I think school.
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Speaker 3: I think Scooble loses one first place vote to Crochet.
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Speaker 1: Diving into the NL race here a little bit Paul
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Speaker 1: Skeen's look. This was an incredible year one nine seven
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Speaker 1: ERA that was more than half a run lower than
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Speaker 1: his closest competition in the National League. Again, pick your
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Speaker 1: favorite statistic whip strikeouts fip ERA plus its skins by
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Speaker 1: a mile. What's interesting about this is he went ten
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Speaker 1: to ten, and we know we're in an age where
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Speaker 1: wins are not considered the big factor in SIL voting
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Speaker 1: that they wore one long time ago. Nonetheless, it is
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Speaker 1: interesting the concept of a pitchure with a five hundred
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Speaker 1: record winning the SAI Young Award, when as recently twenty
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Speaker 1: years ago it would have been unthinkable. And again, it
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Speaker 1: wasn't his fault. His offense only provided him with eleven
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Speaker 1: runs in those ten losses, So I mean, his case
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Speaker 1: really speaks for itself. But nonetheless it is kind of
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Speaker 1: a historical anomaly.
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Speaker 2: You think though really because didn't Felix when Felix won
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Speaker 2: the one year. There's been some guys that have done this,
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Speaker 2: so I don't know that it's that big of anomenaly anymore.
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Speaker 2: Because of the advanced metrics. Now, I think that this
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Speaker 2: has just become wins. This is the whole wins don't matter,
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Speaker 2: which I kind of disagree with because win shouldn't matter
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Speaker 2: because at the end of the day, you get paid
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Speaker 2: on wins and losses. This is a team.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so Felix was at least a little bit over
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Speaker 1: five hundred. He was thirteen and twelve, so one game over.
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Speaker 2: But you're right.
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Speaker 1: I mean we've seen wins sort of be de emphasized,
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Speaker 1: and you mentioned it's something that you don't necessarily agree with. Eric,
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Speaker 1: where are you on that?
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Speaker 3: I mean, wins, wins are important. Starting pitchers need to win.
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Speaker 3: But the reality is, like even in Felix's case, I
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Speaker 3: think he had two hundred and fifty innings or two
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Speaker 3: hundred and forty some innings that year, Like he gave
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Speaker 3: you everything like some of these guys, and it's not
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Speaker 3: pole schemes or it's not post skiings fault at all.
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Speaker 3: He's getting taken out. They are one hundred percent load
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Speaker 3: managing him for whatever reason. I guess the Pirates have
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Speaker 3: the answers more than anybody, or maybe it's just the
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Speaker 3: whole game, But guys don't pitch long enough to get wins.
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Speaker 3: Sometimes you have to pitch into the seventh inning before
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Speaker 3: your team scores. Sometimes you have to be able to
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Speaker 3: pitch into the sixth th inning. I mean, I think
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Speaker 3: Schemes did a good job of pitching as deep as
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Speaker 3: he was allowed to pitch, but they just they don't
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Speaker 3: let guys get wins. And that's why wins for pitchers
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Speaker 3: aren't as important a guy that pitch deep into games.
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Speaker 3: This year, Max Freed also got hurt deeper into games,
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Speaker 3: so I think there's there's some argument on both sides.
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Speaker 3: But if you're starting pitcher, we have Max serger on
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Speaker 3: here right now, he wants to win in every game,
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Speaker 3: and I think it's just a change in mindset. And
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Speaker 3: I don't think it's a change in the player's mindset.
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Speaker 3: It's a change in the front office mindset or the
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Speaker 3: coaching staff's mindset.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely mentioned Felix Hernandez. Of course, Jacob de Grom was
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Speaker 1: another guy who won two sign awards while finishing barely
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Speaker 1: over five hundred. He went ten to nine and eleven
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Speaker 1: and eight. His two seasons he won sign awards. A
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Speaker 1: Joe you mentioned something early thought was interesting that Yoshinova
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Speaker 1: Yamamoto if this vote took place after the World Say,
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Speaker 1: if these votes took place with postseason performance in consideration,
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Speaker 1: would you start to lean Yamamoto more or would it
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Speaker 1: still be Schemes for you?
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Speaker 2: Uh, Yamamoto has to be under consideration because he was
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Speaker 2: the best pitcher in the postseason, I mean especially after
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Speaker 2: his epic Game seven performance. After pitching Game six and winning,
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Speaker 2: he won three of the four World Series games for
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Speaker 2: the Dodgers, So I think he would have to be
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Speaker 2: involved in it. But it's a regular season award.
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Speaker 3: I get it.
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Speaker 2: That's why Yamamoto won the World Series MVP. But in
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Speaker 2: the other thing is you can't include postseason because not
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Speaker 2: all these guys are in the postseasons. You can't criticize
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Speaker 2: Schemes because his team stinks and they also spend the
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Speaker 2: money and score any runs. So I think, yeah, if
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Speaker 2: postseason was involved, I think Yamamoto would be right there
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Speaker 2: with Schemes.
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Speaker 3: I think Yamamoto was no I think it's funny because
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Speaker 3: they he's probably gonna end up third, and probably a
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Speaker 3: distant third. I would assume, you know, I think Christopher
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Speaker 3: Sanchez put together freaking amazing year. But the fact that
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Speaker 3: Yamamoto would be in consideration to dethrone schemes shows you
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Speaker 3: the fact that starting pitcher, starting pitchers matter.
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Speaker 2: I get it.
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Speaker 3: Last year Dodgers won because of their bullpen. But this
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Speaker 3: year they won because of starting pitching. I wonder if
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Speaker 3: it'll be reflected in this free agent, this free agency,
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Speaker 1: So you have Sanchez potentially finishing second, Yamamoto third. But
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Speaker 1: you're right what Yoshinoba Yamamoto did. Even during the regular season,
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Speaker 1: he was the only Dodger starter to make every Star
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Speaker 1: this year. We know this rotation was ailing. He was
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Speaker 1: the one constant for them moving over into the American League.
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Speaker 1: We talked about Trek Scoogle had yet another amazing season.
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Speaker 1: He will be the Cion Award winner in the AL
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Speaker 1: for the second year in a row. You know, Garrett
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Speaker 1: Crochet and Hunter Brown are interesting to me because both
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Speaker 1: of these guys, as they were coming up as prospects,
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Speaker 1: a lot of evaluators consider them future relievers. I can't
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Speaker 1: tell you how many times over my tenure at Baseball
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Speaker 1: America I heard these two guys are probably going to
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Speaker 1: be relievers, and Crouschet did start as a reliever before
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Speaker 1: moving into the rotation with the White Sox. What do
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Speaker 1: you think this shows you about, you know, guys and
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Speaker 1: their ability to continue to EVOLVEU. I think sometimes we
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Speaker 1: see guys as almost finished products when they get to
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Speaker 1: the majors, when nothing could be further from the truth.
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Speaker 2: And I think it shows the teams don't always know
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Speaker 2: what they're doing, that evaluators aren't always right, and I
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Speaker 2: think it shows you that you have to give guys
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Speaker 2: chances to grow. I mean, Chris Sale came up as
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Speaker 2: a reliever. He was a closer. I remember I was there.
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Speaker 2: He was our closer for a little while, right because
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Speaker 2: everyone's like, oh, he's going to get hurt. He's never
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Speaker 2: going to be able to pitch two hundred innings, he's
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Speaker 2: never going to be able to do this, and now
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Speaker 2: he's on a Cooperstown track. So I think you have
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Speaker 2: to let guys develop and figure it out. Crochet got hurt,
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Speaker 2: so that cost him some time. But I think in
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Speaker 2: his mind he always wanted to be a starter. He
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Speaker 2: was a starter coming out of college and he always
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Speaker 2: thought he'd be a starter down the road, and the
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Speaker 2: White Sox didn't allow him to do that until the
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Speaker 2: one year and he proved he could do it. Now
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Speaker 2: he didn't get to pitch a lot, but the Red
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Speaker 2: Sox were like, you know what, you're our guy. Now
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Speaker 2: you're are one. Go out there and do it. And
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Speaker 2: for Hunter Brown, Hunter Brown made some adjustments from where
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Speaker 2: he was a couple of years ago. He quit trying
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Speaker 2: to be Justin Verlander. He became Hunter Brown. He's really good.
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Speaker 2: I think these guys.
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Speaker 3: I think these guys have the opportunity to start, they
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Speaker 3: really get put on the play to the player. We
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Speaker 3: had a discussion about a week and a half ago
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Speaker 3: about Mason Miller. To me, if Mason Miller says I
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Speaker 3: want to be a starter, he's learned to pitch in
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Speaker 3: the big leagues, he's learned to see how his body recovers,
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Speaker 3: you gotta want to try. You gotta want to try
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Speaker 3: because if what's the worst second happen. I remember when
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Speaker 3: garyk Corchet said he wanted to be a starter, and
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Speaker 3: the White Sox were like, well, we don't care about
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Speaker 3: anything else, so we're just going to let him do
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Speaker 3: it. It's on him. But the question was, Dude, this guy
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Speaker 3: missed two of the last three seasons because of injuries,
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Speaker 3: and now all of a sudden, he's going to be
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Speaker 3: a starter. He's probably going to blow out even more,
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Speaker 3: and he's shown that this guy is a monster like
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Speaker 3: his frame says, Hey, you know what, I can deal
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Speaker 3: with throwing one hundred miles an hour for seven innings
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Speaker 3: and then I get my five days to recover and
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Speaker 3: it's worked out perfectly to me. I think it should
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Speaker 3: be the opposite. When you get called up, it should
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Speaker 3: be he's a starter until he proves he's not a starter.
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Speaker 3: Then you go to the bullpen, and then you say, okay,
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Speaker 3: are you able to build back up the stuff you've learned?
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Speaker 1: Not?
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Speaker 3: Well, he's he's a bullpen guy. Like, how can you
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Speaker 3: tell somebody's a bullpen guy because he doesn't have a
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Speaker 3: second pitch when he's twenty two years old. I think
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Speaker 3: evaluators make that assumption too quickly in guy's careers.
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Speaker 1: Sometimes it's time now for shake it up guys. We
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Speaker 1: talked about the Twins a little with Ken Rosenthal. Dan
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Speaker 1: Hayes with The Athletic reported that he wants to build
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Speaker 1: on what the Twins already have in place, but if
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Speaker 1: the Twins continue to tear things down Byron Buxton might
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Speaker 1: be open to waving his no trade clause. And this
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Speaker 1: comes after Buxton said from the All Star Game really
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Speaker 1: through the end of the regular season, as the Twins
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Speaker 1: were tearing it all down, he told anyone who would
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Speaker 1: listen that he was a Twins player for life and
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Speaker 1: would not be willing to wave his no trade clause.
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Speaker 1: Now might seem like things have changed. Eric, I'm going
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Speaker 1: to start with you, just what do you make of
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Speaker 1: this and kind of the change in tone.
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Speaker 3: Potentially obviously you know we're the last to find out,
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Speaker 3: but the fact that he came out at the All
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Speaker 3: Star Game and said this, and then the half of
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Speaker 3: his team got traded, almost half of his team got traded.
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Speaker 3: It's either one they went to him before that, and
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Speaker 3: so when the question was asked of him, he was like, yeah,
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Speaker 3: I'm ready. I'm ready for this. Somebody asked me this
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Speaker 3: if I'm gonna get traded, and he says no, because
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Speaker 3: the team's already asked and I don't want to be traded.
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Speaker 3: Or he had no idea that all these dudes were
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Speaker 3: getting traded and that the team was hemorrhaging cash and
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Speaker 3: they needed to trade all these dudes, and so maybe
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Speaker 3: he's rethinking it.
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Speaker 2: But I know there's a lot of.
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Speaker 3: Teams that would be like, hmm, potential MVP, speedy center
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Speaker 3: field on a nice, easy, team friendly contract.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll trade for that guy.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. I think it'd be really interesting to see if
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Speaker 1: the Twins do decide to trade Pablo Lopez and Joe
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Speaker 1: Ryan this all season, just because it feels like that
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Speaker 1: would be the straw that breaks the camel's back. They
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Speaker 1: traded ten guys off their big league roster at the
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Speaker 1: trade doutline. You understand for Byron Bucks and looking around
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Speaker 1: and saying, hey, who's around me? Now? He does have
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Speaker 1: three years and forty five million dollars remaining on his
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Speaker 1: current deal, and once again, he does have no trade
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Speaker 1: protection through next season. He can block trades to five
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Speaker 1: clubs in twenty seven, twenty eight, AJ, what for you
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Speaker 1: would be the line in which he say, yeah, screw it,
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Speaker 1: I'm waving my no trade clause.
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Speaker 2: It would have already happened. It would have done the
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Speaker 2: Griffin Jack. I would have gone Griffin Jack style like
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Speaker 2: he did. Remember, they started trading dudes and he goes
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Speaker 2: in there and goes, can you guys throw me in
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Speaker 2: there too, please? Yeah, it was cool when he came
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Speaker 2: out and said this, And I get he's comfortable there,
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Speaker 2: but they're not on a winning path right now anytime
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Speaker 2: in the near future. So yeah, it's great. He wants
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Speaker 2: to stay there his entire career. And yes, they brought
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Speaker 2: him up, and yes they signed up this deal. What'd
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Speaker 2: you say it was three years, forty five million tu Yes,
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Speaker 2: three forty five. I mean that's easy, easy, easy, tradable
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Speaker 2: for the numbers this guy can put up when he's healthy.
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Speaker 2: So I don't. I don't he'll here. Here's the thing. Also,
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Speaker 2: the owners can go to Bryan Bucks and say, listen,
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Speaker 2: we really appreciate you and all, but like we want
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Speaker 2: to trade you. Can you help us out here? Maybe
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Speaker 2: he will, maybe he won't, but I know he you know,
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Speaker 2: he loved he. Tory Hunter was a guy that you know,
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Speaker 2: started at the Twins, ended with the Twins. Bucks and
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Speaker 2: him are super tight. The Troy Hawkins is back there,
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Speaker 2: another guy that he was tight with. So do I
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Speaker 2: think he'll stay there? No? Do I think he might
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Speaker 2: still want to stay there for his legacy yes, but
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Speaker 2: if I was in a situation he gone, I'm sorry,
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Speaker 2: I'm gone, I'm moving. I'm trying to find a place
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Speaker 2: i can go win a ring.
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Speaker 3: And this is this is Kyle. This is also somebody
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Speaker 3: that's not just chasing rings like AJ was loyal. AJ's
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Speaker 3: come on here and said how different times he signed
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Speaker 3: back for less to stay in Chicago. So this is
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Speaker 3: somebody who understands legacy with a team, understands success with
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Speaker 3: the team, understands taking less. And it comes to a
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Speaker 3: point like it comes to a head at some point.
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Speaker 3: Byron Buxon has constantly been told or heard in the
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Speaker 3: media it can't stay healthy, can't stay healthy. Now he
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Speaker 3: stays healthy for a couple of seasons, and this team
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Speaker 3: then like kind of backpedals. They collapsed last year. This
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Speaker 3: season they just never got it going, never really, you know,
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Speaker 3: they had a couple of hot stretches, but they were
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Speaker 3: just poor. And then ownership says, I'm out, Like you
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Speaker 3: can change your tone, It's okay, you can change your mind.
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Speaker 1: From the perspective of other teams and the appeal of
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Speaker 1: acquiring a Byron Buckston. You guys mentioned health, and it's
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Speaker 1: interesting him staying healthy the last two years. It's all relative.
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Speaker 1: So last season, Byron Buckston played one hundred and twenty
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Speaker 1: six games. In twenty twenty four he played one hundred
17:40
Speaker 1: and two, So he's missed forty to sixty games each
17:43
Speaker 1: last two years. That's still the most games he had
17:46
Speaker 1: played since twenty seventeen. So we know that when you
17:50
Speaker 1: acquire Byron Buxton, you're looking at a tremendously talented player
17:53
Speaker 1: who can impact the game in all sorts of ways
17:55
Speaker 1: at the plate, on the bays, pass on defense. But
17:58
Speaker 1: you also know realist you're hoping for one hundred to
18:03
Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty games. From your guys' perspective, how
18:06
Speaker 1: aggressive should teams be and potentially pursuing him given this
18:10
Speaker 1: latest news.
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Speaker 2: I think teams will go for it. I think teams
18:14
Speaker 2: will be all over it. I don't think that there's
18:15
Speaker 2: any any doubt about it. I think if he can
18:17
Speaker 2: get one hundred and twenty games out of him, and
18:19
Speaker 2: he hits you thirty to forty homers and plays good
18:22
Speaker 2: center field when he's out there, and steals his bases
18:25
Speaker 2: for fifteen million, huh, teams will fall over themselves for this, right.
18:30
Speaker 2: I mean, I still go back to Mike Trout, and
18:33
Speaker 2: we all love Mike Trout, and we think Mike Trout
18:35
Speaker 2: is one of the best players of all time. But
18:37
Speaker 2: Mike Trout hasn't been to the playoffs in forever. He's
18:40
Speaker 2: never won a playoff game, and he's kind of just
18:42
Speaker 2: become faded to the wayside because he's his whole career
18:46
Speaker 2: basically has been wasted in Anaheim. I don't want to
18:48
Speaker 2: see that happen to Byron bucks and I want to
18:50
Speaker 2: see him get an opportunity to win a ring.
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Speaker 3: Right, Well, here's your comp for you, then, Kyle, when
18:56
Speaker 3: you ask about like would they go after him? Tyler
18:59
Speaker 3: O'Neal got three years, forty nine million last offseason. If
19:03
Speaker 3: you can get Byron Buxton, who maybe you know, they
19:06
Speaker 3: both have some injury issues. Byron Buckston's injury issues aren't
19:09
Speaker 3: quite the same as Tyler o'neils, but the talent is
19:14
Speaker 3: through the roof. I mean, Tyler o'neils had some cool
19:17
Speaker 3: stretches in his career where he's hit some dingers and
19:19
Speaker 3: he's played some center field. But if you can get
19:22
Speaker 3: Byron Buxton for five million less four million less than
19:25
Speaker 3: what the Orioles had to pay Tyler O'Neil in free agency. Yes,
19:29
Speaker 3: this would be a massive haul for whatever team is
19:32
Speaker 3: looking for a center fielder.
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Speaker 1: For the record, I completely agree, and I'll be curious
19:38
Speaker 1: to see also if the teams that pursue him want
19:40
Speaker 1: to keep him in center or to keep him healthy,
19:43
Speaker 1: potentially move him to a corner guys moving on to
19:45
Speaker 1: another team. That was a big disappointment where the bottom
19:49
Speaker 1: completely fell out. In twenty twenty five, the Atlanta Braves
19:52
Speaker 1: Alexanthopolis has come out and said they need to add
19:54
Speaker 1: quote unquote a lot of relievers, but they're going to
19:58
Speaker 1: prioritize shortstop and a starting pitcher. We saw shortstop was
20:01
Speaker 1: a mess for them last year. They started with Nick Allen,
20:03
Speaker 1: then they acquired hass On Kim. They couldn't really find
20:06
Speaker 1: a long term solution there. His quote was, we're gonna
20:08
Speaker 1: focus on those spots. We'll see where those lead us,
20:12
Speaker 1: what the acquisition costs are and all that. Then will
20:14
Speaker 1: turn our attention to the bullpen. In terms of the
20:17
Speaker 1: Braves approach this offseason, starters, shortstop, relief pitching. That the
20:21
Speaker 1: order you think they should go and AJ, I'll start
20:23
Speaker 1: with you.
20:24
Speaker 2: Yeah, you need well, first of all, you need a shortstop. Okay,
20:27
Speaker 2: you can't play, you can't. Every good team has a
20:29
Speaker 2: really good shortstop. So I mean the Dodgers, rookie bets,
20:32
Speaker 2: the Blue Jays, even though Bobashak got hurt, they still
20:34
Speaker 2: had Andre sim Innes at least defensively that was pretty
20:37
Speaker 2: solid and got some huge hits for him. So you
20:38
Speaker 2: need a good shortstop. That should be priority number one.
20:41
Speaker 2: They have say, oh, they have Strider, they have Schollenbach,
20:43
Speaker 2: they have some mis Sharver. All these guys are gonna
20:45
Speaker 2: come back at some point, hopefully this year for him,
20:48
Speaker 2: and pitch better than they did last year. I think
20:51
Speaker 2: their starters are in a good spot. To me, they
20:52
Speaker 2: need relievers and they priority number one has got to
20:56
Speaker 2: be shortstop. And then you find some relievers and then
20:58
Speaker 2: hope that some of these other guys and you use
21:00
Speaker 2: a Sean Murphy if you have to to trade to
21:03
Speaker 2: make some moves to get some certain people. But to me,
21:05
Speaker 2: shortstop's one, relief two and starters are three. It's hard
21:09
Speaker 2: to find a short stop to replace Dansby Swonson. Dancy
21:12
Speaker 2: Swanson won a Gold Glove. He won a World Series
21:15
Speaker 2: in twenty one then he was an All Star in
21:17
Speaker 2: twenty two, won a Gold Glove, was an MVY I
21:20
Speaker 2: think top fifteen in an MVP, so it's hard to
21:23
Speaker 2: replace that. But they have done a poor job of
21:25
Speaker 2: it since twenty two when Dansby left because Orlando Garcia
21:30
Speaker 2: gave them the defense and that year he made the
21:33
Speaker 2: All Star team, Like it was like, wow, we got
21:35
Speaker 2: this guy for you know, they paid him nothing, and
21:39
Speaker 2: now it's been tough. I would expect they're going to
21:43
Speaker 2: be hard in on the Bobashek because he plays shortstop
21:47
Speaker 2: in the big leagues. But I agree with AJ, like
21:50
Speaker 2: if they're saying they're gonna go after starters, and Alex
21:52
Speaker 2: Anthopos is probably one of the more upfront, open, honest
21:56
Speaker 2: gms that we see out there that doesn't have as
21:58
Speaker 2: much GM speak as everybody else, maybe they're gonna go
22:01
Speaker 2: like a like a Dodger's from last year, in the
22:04
Speaker 2: sense that the Dodgers had nine or ten I forget
22:08
Speaker 2: legit starters, knowing what happened to the Braves is past
22:12
Speaker 2: year where six of their premium primary starters spent significant
22:18
Speaker 2: time on IL. Maybe they go out and they say, okay,
22:21
Speaker 2: we're gonna sign three starting pitchers because of the fact
22:24
Speaker 2: that we can option some of our young pitchers down
22:27
Speaker 2: and just have a just have a massive haul of
22:30
Speaker 2: starting pitchers. But I doubt they're gonna do that because
22:33
Speaker 2: they don't have quite they don't have the money that
22:36
Speaker 2: that the Dodgers do to spend on one spot. So
22:39
Speaker 2: I think they're gonna go after those relievers and they're
22:41
Speaker 2: just gonna bring in tons of relievers and see what happens.
22:44
Speaker 3: The Red Sox did it. The Red Sox brought in
22:47
Speaker 3: a ton of relievers in spring training and their bullpen
22:51
Speaker 3: was I think they had the best bullpen era in baseball.
22:54
Speaker 3: If not, it was the best bullpenny ra in the
22:56
Speaker 3: second half. So there's different ways to do this, yes,
23:00
Speaker 3: but shortstop is the key.
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Speaker 1: So guys, some interesting news about the upcoming LA twenty
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Speaker 1: twenty eight Olympics. Shoho Tani potentially looking at coming up
23:11
Speaker 1: before the opening ceremony, and overall Major League Baseball is
23:15
Speaker 1: looking at potentially scheduling some adjustments for players to participate
23:19
Speaker 1: in the Olympics. Eric, you were part of the twenty
23:22
Speaker 1: twenty Olympic qualifying team. Ultimately, those Olympics got pushed back,
23:26
Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on active major leaguers getting a
23:29
Speaker 1: chance to actually participate in the Olympics.
23:31
Speaker 3: Do it? Do it? I'm a huge Olympic fan. Major
23:35
Speaker 3: League Baseball said, you know what, we're going to own
23:37
Speaker 3: the WBC. It's cash for us. They kind of said
23:43
Speaker 3: to the Olympics, which I get it. You know, you
23:44
Speaker 3: build a business, you're not going to be like, hey,
23:47
Speaker 3: everyone else can do the other business. I'm not saying
23:49
Speaker 3: it has to be a one or the other. It
23:53
Speaker 3: can be a and or it can be both. So
23:57
Speaker 3: I think I think the Olympics is every four years
24:01
Speaker 3: for summer, every four years for winter, and it's something
24:04
Speaker 3: that it doesn't really matter what sport is on. I
24:07
Speaker 3: have it. I'm glued to the TV. I love watching
24:10
Speaker 3: all Olympics stuff. So for baseball to be in it,
24:12
Speaker 3: to me, I think it's a travesty that it's not
24:16
Speaker 3: the best players in the world. Because Japan they have
24:20
Speaker 3: all their best players that Team Samurai. They practice together
24:24
Speaker 3: in the offseason. They are ready to go, and I
24:28
Speaker 3: think that's what you're looking for for all the teams.
24:31
Speaker 3: So I want to see the best big layers. It's
24:33
Speaker 3: an opportunity to see everybody rather than you know, maybe
24:37
Speaker 3: just an All Star game during that period.
24:40
Speaker 1: Yeah, aj, this would require.
24:41
Speaker 2: A jumping to schedule. Yes, chuck of the schedule. But
24:45
Speaker 2: also what is MLBO on the krut said the WBC
24:50
Speaker 2: If they let major leaguers go play in the Olympics,
24:53
Speaker 2: will that take away from the WBC something that's going
24:58
Speaker 2: to have to be negotiated, right, But absolutely you throw
25:01
Speaker 2: on your USA thing and you go, hey, we're gonna
25:04
Speaker 2: We're gonna go try and win a gold medal. I'm
25:07
Speaker 2: in and we need to figure out a way to
25:08
Speaker 2: make this happen because we saw what happened with hockey
25:11
Speaker 2: and the four Nations thing for the All Star break.
25:15
Speaker 2: You got to take a chunk out of the season
25:17
Speaker 2: and let the big leaguers go play to help, as
25:19
Speaker 2: MLB says all the time, grow the game. What better
25:23
Speaker 2: way to grow the game than having it in the Olympics,
25:25
Speaker 2: explain with your best players in the world.
25:28
Speaker 1: So we talk about the pressure of New York and
25:30
Speaker 1: it extends beyond the players. It extends well into the
25:33
Speaker 1: front office. We saw that the Yankees have reportedly fired
25:37
Speaker 1: longtime international sky and director Donnie Rowland. Three major league
25:40
Speaker 1: sources confirmed to The Athletic that was done this offseason.
25:44
Speaker 1: There were some initial hits on the international market you
25:46
Speaker 1: look at Gary Sanchez, Luis Savarina, etc. But in recent history,
25:51
Speaker 1: the Yankees have had a lot of big dollar misses
25:53
Speaker 1: in international signings. Eric, I'll start with you, because you
25:55
Speaker 1: know this franchise so so so well, just what do
25:58
Speaker 1: you make the news that Donnie Roland has been fired
26:00
Speaker 1: and ultimately the Yankees are holding a major front office
26:03
Speaker 1: leader accountable for their signing failures. I think it's tough.
26:06
Speaker 3: I don't think we know I don't think we know
26:08
Speaker 3: enough about international signing and what it takes for these guys.
26:13
Speaker 3: But the fact that they've had success, and that's what
26:16
Speaker 3: scouts really kind of hang their hats on. Oh well
26:19
Speaker 3: he drafted this person. Oh he helped facilitate the signing
26:22
Speaker 3: for this person. It is a it's a cavalcade of
26:27
Speaker 3: people that are helping with these signings. So for him
26:30
Speaker 3: to take this, you know what, there might be trying
26:33
Speaker 3: to go in a different direction. Sixty two years old,
26:35
Speaker 3: he's had a great career, probably would like to continue,
26:39
Speaker 3: but you know what, it's a team effort. So maybe
26:42
Speaker 3: he's taking the brun of this as the face of
26:46
Speaker 3: the scouting Department International Scouting Department. But you know, is
26:50
Speaker 3: it on him technically, No, just like when somebody does
26:53
Speaker 3: pan out, when you do sign at Gary Sanchez for
26:56
Speaker 3: however many million they signed him, like, it's not all success.
27:02
Speaker 1: For that person either.
27:03
Speaker 2: Who signed that guy? Yeah, Donny Rowland, it lose your job.
27:12
Speaker 2: That's what happens if you don't I mean, if I'm
27:14
Speaker 2: a player and I don't hit, guess what I get released.
27:18
Speaker 2: It sucks, But it happens at every job. You don't perform,
27:20
Speaker 2: you get fired. Yeah.
27:23
Speaker 1: And what's tough with Donnie Rowland too? You talk about that.
27:26
Speaker 1: It's all a lot of what have you done for
27:27
Speaker 1: me lately? Because you go back. He is the Angel
27:29
Speaker 1: skying director for a number of years. He was responsible
27:32
Speaker 1: for drafting John Lackie and a lot of guys who
27:33
Speaker 1: helped the Angels become a World Series championship team and
27:36
Speaker 1: have that run through the two thousands. Again, he's been
27:39
Speaker 1: in the game for twenty three years. He spent last
27:41
Speaker 1: fifteen years with the Yankees. I suld say the last
27:44
Speaker 1: twenty three years overall in the Yankees organization last fifteen
27:47
Speaker 1: as their international director. So there's been a lot of successes,
27:50
Speaker 1: but again it's very much what have you done for
27:52
Speaker 1: me lately? Kind of game.
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Speaker 3: More, young bet mgm odds for the season that Crochet
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Speaker 3: winning it, would you have believed him aj Because Garret
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Speaker 2: Hundred because he has no shadow winning. Uh No, but
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Speaker 2: I also do. He's in the league with Trek Scouble
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Speaker 2: and I knew that he was gonna have a hard time,
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Speaker 2: So no, I mean he listened. It. It's when you
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29:43
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29:50
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Speaker 2: have a historic year to jump him again. Kind of
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Speaker 2: like what we're gonna talk about with the MVP But
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Speaker 2: to me, Garret Crochet had an unbelievable year. He just
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Speaker 2: had it in the wrong league, in the wrong year
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Speaker 2: with Trek's Schoobel. Trek Scooble misses a start here or there,
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Speaker 2: doesn't pitch grade all the time. Grek Crouchet is an
30:08
Speaker 2: easy choice. But this year derek'school just better.
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Speaker 3: It sucks.
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Speaker 1: Yeah again, I mean we've talked about this. When Trek
30:16
Speaker 1: Scooball has an era you know by you know, two
30:20
Speaker 1: point two one, no one else is within you know,
30:22
Speaker 1: twenty points of him. It just is what it is.
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Speaker 1: But it did a point that you know, Garrett Crochet,
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Speaker 1: all the questions we had coming into the year, can
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Speaker 1: So I do think it's a testament to him that
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Speaker 1: is likely going to be the runner up.
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Speaker 3: Yep.
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Speaker 2: You know what that gets you, Kyle, Nothing?
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Speaker 3: Nothing, Actually, it might get him some bonuses if he
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Speaker 3: stopped three inside young there might be a little little
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Speaker 2: Yeah. But at the end of the day, I mean,
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Speaker 2: They're awesome, I mean they're awesome. I mean you don't
31:08
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31:11
Speaker 2: mean you just it's one of those like, eh, do
31:15
Speaker 2: I ever wear a second place ring?
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Speaker 3: Like? No, I don't know.
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Speaker 1: I've always wonder about that. How decked out are the
31:22
Speaker 1: Pennant rings versus the World Series rings? Like, what's the
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Speaker 1: comparison here?
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Speaker 3: They're nice?
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Speaker 1: Gambler Manager of the Year was announced yesterday, Pat Murphy
32:04
Speaker 1: winning NL Manager the Year, Steven Vote winning American League
32:08
Speaker 1: Manager of the Year. Pat Murphy became just he the
32:11
Speaker 1: first Brewers manager to ever win the award, which is
32:14
Speaker 1: kind of amazing when you consider some of the managers
32:16
Speaker 1: they've had. He's only the second manager in NL history
32:19
Speaker 1: to win it back to back years, joining a great
32:21
Speaker 1: like Bobby Cox. Eric, I want to start with you.
32:23
Speaker 1: Pat Murphy's had a really interesting career path. Famous college
32:26
Speaker 1: coach Notre Dame at Arizona State, leaves kind of ignominiously
32:31
Speaker 1: ends up having to work his way back up the
32:32
Speaker 1: minor league ladder from the lowest levels of the Padters system,
32:35
Speaker 1: gets a bench coach job, an internship, interim job with
32:37
Speaker 1: the Padres, and here he is back to back Manager
32:40
Speaker 1: of the Year, something only Bobby Cox has ever done
32:42
Speaker 1: the National League.
32:43
Speaker 3: He'll tell you, and he said it on the show.
32:47
Speaker 3: All those steps got him to this point. Had he
32:51
Speaker 3: gone Tony Batello straight from college to the big leagues,
32:57
Speaker 3: he would have sucked, because he said, the person he
33:01
Speaker 3: was as a college coach, he was going through things
33:03
Speaker 3: in his life and decisions that he would make with
33:06
Speaker 3: players and like. But what never changed about Murph is
33:10
Speaker 3: his relationships. It's how he approaches them now. And I
33:14
Speaker 3: think it goes to show, like you win Manager of
33:18
Speaker 3: the Year his words, not mine. It's a team that
33:22
Speaker 3: was not expected to do anything and exceeded those expectations.
33:27
Speaker 3: I think that's what happens when you put somebody in
33:29
Speaker 3: charge that gets the most out of players, because people
33:32
Speaker 3: don't just players don't just become MVPs. They don't just
33:36
Speaker 3: become like these amazing players like the players were already there.
33:40
Speaker 3: How do you get the most out of them? How
33:42
Speaker 3: do you get you know, a rookie of the Year
33:43
Speaker 3: candidate in Durbin, How do you get the most out
33:46
Speaker 3: of Joey Ortiz who didn't have the best of seasons,
33:50
Speaker 3: but you know what, they slotted him in at a
33:53
Speaker 3: premier position in shortstop. How do you get the most
33:56
Speaker 3: out of Bryce terrang In, you know later in the
33:59
Speaker 3: sea and when he had just a ridiculous I think
34:02
Speaker 3: it was August. It's by that constant relationship, constantly building
34:08
Speaker 3: these guys up, being honest with them and everything throughout
34:11
Speaker 3: throughout the season.
34:12
Speaker 1: And Pat does that all right. AJ. So we talked
34:15
Speaker 1: about the Nationally Manager of the Year award, Manager of
34:17
Speaker 1: the Year award winner and Pat Murphy steven vote fellow
34:20
Speaker 1: catcher one American League Manager of the Year. It's what
34:23
Speaker 1: were your thoughts on the job vote did and and
34:25
Speaker 1: if he deserves to be the winner. I know you
34:27
Speaker 1: and Ken had a little bit of back and forth
34:28
Speaker 1: on this regarding John Schneider.
34:32
Speaker 2: Listen, I'm happy for Voter. I love Voter, I love
34:34
Speaker 2: going in talking to him. I think it's awesome. His
34:35
Speaker 2: first two year, he win, he wins manager of the Year,
34:38
Speaker 2: got as team to the postseason.
34:41
Speaker 3: Yeah.
34:41
Speaker 2: I just thought that the voters will be a little
34:44
Speaker 2: bit tired of Stephen Vote, but they weren't. And you
34:46
Speaker 2: know what, good for him, Steven Vote. I don't know,
34:48
Speaker 2: you don't even think they give you. They even give
34:49
Speaker 2: you a trophy for manager of the Year, don't. I
34:51
Speaker 2: don't know if you get bonuses. But I think this
34:54
Speaker 2: is an awesome accomplishment to put on it. And you
34:56
Speaker 2: know what, Murphy and Voter a lot alike in the
34:58
Speaker 2: fact that they kind of do what they're their own way,
35:00
Speaker 2: and they have their own style, and they're very personable,
35:02
Speaker 2: and they have a relationship with all twenty six guys
35:05
Speaker 2: on their team and then all the front office and everybody.
35:07
Speaker 2: So I think this is kind of a they're mirror
35:11
Speaker 2: a little bit. Now. Now Murf tries to be a
35:12
Speaker 2: little more funny than what Voter does. Voter is just
35:15
Speaker 2: himself and you know Murph when if you've ever had
35:18
Speaker 2: a meeting with Murph he talks. You can barely hear him.
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Speaker 1: He talks like this.
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Speaker 2: You're like, Murph, what can you speak up a little bit?
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Speaker 2: And whereas voters a little bit more serious. But I
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Speaker 2: think they have very similar personalities that they get to
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Speaker 2: know everybody, they figure out what they can work with
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Speaker 2: on them and they run with it.
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Speaker 1: Certainly do. By the way, they do get a plaque
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Speaker 1: from the BBWA, from manager up here, so they do
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Speaker 1: get something.
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Speaker 2: Okay, nice, I just plaque is cool banda.
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Speaker 1: Blacks that kind of as a member of the BBWA. Look,
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Speaker 1: we got to show the love, right the players, the managers, everyone,
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Speaker 1: everyone gets something. When you win something, it's a huge accomplishment.
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Speaker 1: Got to get something out of it.
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Speaker 3: Everybody gets a trophy, Kyle, No, just the winners. Oh yeah,
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Speaker 3: just my winners. John Schneider got nothing.
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Speaker 1: He does get an American League Championship ring, which you
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Speaker 1: guys have talked about. You don't love.
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Speaker 2: They're nice, They're nice, They're really nice. I don't.
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Speaker 3: It's just you'll always know who beat you and if
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Speaker 3: you ever come into it, if you're wearing your American
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Speaker 3: League Championship ring and somebody has a World Series ring
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Speaker 3: on in the same room. You gotta take it off
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Speaker 3: like they're they're ring hierarchy like you can't be you can't.
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Speaker 1: All right, Eric, the question everyone wants to know, what
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Speaker 1: how are you wearing today?
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Speaker 3: What's my TCU had? Of course, I mean since I'm
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Speaker 3: getting the oh wait, another Texas, of course we got
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Speaker 3: to skip on.
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Speaker 2: Why not?
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Speaker 3: You got to have your Rangers hat? And I'm expecting
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Speaker 3: a turnaround because if Skip can do what he did
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Speaker 3: in Florida, he's got a little bit better, more of
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Speaker 3: a talented roster.
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Speaker 2: In Texas, he does.
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Speaker 1: He does the big question I've always wondered, Eric, that's
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Speaker 1: part of our crats Hot segment. How many hats do
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Speaker 1: you actually own?
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Speaker 3: I know it's more than one hundred, and I know
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Speaker 3: it's more than one hundred and fifty two. I think
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Speaker 3: it was because I want one hundred and fifty two
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Speaker 3: straight without wearing the same hat again. And now New
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Speaker 3: Era has been very kind and they've sent me a
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Speaker 3: couple extra. My buddy over here to my left, he's
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Speaker 3: been very kind and sent me one from London, The
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Speaker 3: All Star game, so you got to You gotta have
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Speaker 3: your hook ups, so one day I'll count them all
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Speaker 4: On