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Red and Blue: Jarom Jordan on the Holy War Saturday at RES, Heavyweight matchup for first time in rivalry (?) LJ Martin playing (?) + mor... · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 4: I welcome, reluctantly, our next guest in, BYU insider, friend
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  Speaker 4: of the program, although this week we don't think he's
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  Speaker 4: a friend, enemy of the program, Jerem Jordan.
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  Speaker 3: Kind enough to join us ahead of the Holy War. Jerem,
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  Speaker 3: how are you?
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  Speaker 2: We have arrived at the biggest BYU tough football. it
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  Speaker 2: was great to see you at the mammoth game the
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  Speaker 2: other night.
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  Speaker 3: Speaker 0 7th, it was wonderful catching up. But if
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  Speaker 3: I saw you this week, Jerem, I would not be
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  Speaker 3: so friendly.
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  Speaker 2: Speaker 4 7th, I'm not according to Morgan's Cali. I, I,
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  Speaker 2: I love that Morgan like set the tone. These two,
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  Speaker 2: you know, Kalani and Morgan are great. You know, Kyle's
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  Speaker 2: kind of refusal to acknowledge the alma mater and even
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  Speaker 2: say anything nice about BYU is was, you know, irritating.
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  Speaker 2: And so it's nice for Morgan to just be like, dude,
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  Speaker 2: I didn't think bear could pass. I was completely wrong.
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  Speaker 2: You know, he's just, it's like normal human conversation. It's nice.
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  Speaker 2: The relatability, the respect it's, it's fresh. It's nice. You know,
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  Speaker 2: and I respect Kyle Whittingham. I didn't like how he
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  Speaker 2: handled talking about the rivalry, but here we are. And,
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  Speaker 2: and it's, awesome that these two teams are in the
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  Speaker 2: top 10. Like how great is this beehives? The beehive
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  Speaker 2: ball is a been great this year. So it's the
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  Speaker 2: most important BYU, Utah game of all time, man. And
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  Speaker 2: we'll see tonight on the called football playoff rankings reveal
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  Speaker 2: exactly where they are, but they should both be inside
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  Speaker 2: the top 10 easily.
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  Speaker 4: Speaker 0 7, So was, was last year's holy war
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  Speaker 4: game to date the biggest holy war game? Because I mean,
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  Speaker 4: Both teams were in the midst of awesome seasons. There
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  Speaker 4: was a trip to the conference championship game, potentially on
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  Speaker 4: the line in that game. And you know, it was,
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  Speaker 4: it was huge and it was a tight game and
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  Speaker 4: it was, it played out. And I don't remember who won.
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  Speaker 4: I don't, I don't think anyone remembers who won that game,
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  Speaker 4: but how convenient.
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  Speaker 3: But, but it was last year's game.
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  Speaker 4: The biggest to date. I mean, obviously this year's is now,
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  Speaker 4: but it was last year's. Was that also true about
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  Speaker 4: last year's game?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I feel like Oh eight was, those were
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  Speaker 2: two teams in the top 16 and that there were,
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  Speaker 2: you know, that was big. You could argue last year because, Hey,
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  Speaker 2: you know, modern contacts, power for football, all that, you know,
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  Speaker 2: it was, it was 15 versus 23 last year. In
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  Speaker 2: the end, they both finished in the top 15 to
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  Speaker 2: your point, which had never happened by the way, you
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  Speaker 2: and you tied never both finished inside the top 15
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  Speaker 2: in the same year. And now we've never had a
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  Speaker 2: BYU tie game where they were both top 10. BYU
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  Speaker 2: hadn't played a weird top 10. They were also top
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  Speaker 2: 10 game with anybody until last year at Texas tech
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  Speaker 2: and then Notre Dame this year and now Utah. So
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  Speaker 2: three in the last two years, the elevation of not
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  Speaker 2: only BYU's quality of opponent, but also BYU as a
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  Speaker 2: program has been significant. And so, yeah, it's just, the
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  Speaker 2: stakes keep getting higher and BYU certainly wants a win here.
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  Speaker 2: It would, it would get them into the playoffs in
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  Speaker 2: the end for sure. But also the Notre Dame win
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  Speaker 2: is a massive piece that BYU can hold. So I'm
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  Speaker 2: interested to see kind of what happens because the stakes
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  Speaker 2: are so high. Utah does not need to beat BYU
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  Speaker 2: to get into the playoffs. BYU needs it a little more,
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  Speaker 2: but that Notre Dame win is massive. And frankly, Notre
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  Speaker 2: Dame Miami is huge for BYU too this weekend. So
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  Speaker 2: November 7th is a day of reckoning for a lot
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  Speaker 2: of teams and BYU could definitely benefit from certain results.
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  Speaker 2: even if you're a loses to Utah, like there'll be
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  Speaker 2: a dog, there'll be ranked lower. They're not supposed to
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  Speaker 2: win dot, dot, dot. But as we've seen in this
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  Speaker 2: game over time, there've been some crazy finishes for both sides.
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  Speaker 2: We'll see how it happens.
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  Speaker 3: Speaker 2, I'm actually curious.
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  Speaker 4: You think that, that BYU, that the BYU needs this
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  Speaker 4: game more than Utah does.
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  Speaker 2: Speaker 3, Yeah, because, because of the one loss, like
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  Speaker 2: if you hadn't lost the UCF, you know, it'd be
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  Speaker 2: kind of similar as stakes. Although the, the Notre Dame
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  Speaker 2: win is massive. Utah loses and they went out there
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  Speaker 2: 11 to one, they go to the big total title game.
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  Speaker 2: And let's say, you know, they won that automatically they're
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  Speaker 2: in there probably a top four team. If you'd actually
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  Speaker 2: want it, I'd actually rather be all you be. If
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  Speaker 2: they like, if they, if things worked out really well,
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  Speaker 2: let's say BYU when Saturday goes big total title game,
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  Speaker 2: they win. I'd rather be a five seed than a four,
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  Speaker 2: just a home playoff game would be sweet. Like that
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  Speaker 2: would just be awesome. Yes. In the long-term getting the
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  Speaker 2: buy is great and blah, blah, blah. But yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: just think, you know, Utah's looking pretty good with the
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  Speaker 2: undefeated record. There's been so much chaos. They just look
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  Speaker 2: even better with that donut there with no loss.
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  Speaker 4: So, so how concerned should BYU fans be with the
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  Speaker 4: way the team has been playing? Obviously the loss to UCF,
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  Speaker 4: not what they wanted. And then it was a win
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  Speaker 4: against Arizona state, but probably not up to the standard
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  Speaker 4: that Kalani is setting for his program, even in a win.
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  Speaker 4: Is that something that, you know, matters when we head
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  Speaker 4: into the holy war?
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  Speaker 2: Speaker 3 I mean, how you're playing is certainly the
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  Speaker 2: biggest indicator of how you will play. But I look
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  Speaker 2: back at the Notre Dame game, Sean, and I go, well,
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  Speaker 2: the prior two weeks, TCU be in the rain. BYU
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  Speaker 2: didn't look that good. They survived in Fort worth, Iowa state,
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  Speaker 2: BYU put up 500 plus yards of offense, but didn't
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  Speaker 2: execute in the red zone. They won by 14. There
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  Speaker 2: was no indication that BYU was going to play well
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  Speaker 2: and beat Notre Dame going in. And then BYU did.
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  Speaker 2: the last two weeks, you lose to UCF. They they're
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  Speaker 2: up 17, three against Arizona state, but kind of let us,
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  Speaker 2: you get back in it. They, they hold on. They
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  Speaker 2: have to go for it on a fourth and one
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  Speaker 2: of their own 14. They do. They moved the ball,
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  Speaker 2: big drive to seal it. You know, is there any
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  Speaker 2: indication that BYU is going to play great against Utah?
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  Speaker 2: Not necessarily, but they did against Notre Dame. So I'm
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  Speaker 2: wondering if maybe BYU is like, they'll just get up
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  Speaker 2: for the game. Like they did for Notre Dame. I
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  Speaker 2: don't know. Is that a guess that I hope I'm
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  Speaker 2: not sure, but without a run game, the last couple
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  Speaker 2: of weeks, BYU probably needs to be a pass first
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  Speaker 2: team and LJ Martin, you know, they're, they're evaluating him,
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  Speaker 2: trying to figure out if he can go, they were
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  Speaker 2: targeting kind of this week is a hopeful week for
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  Speaker 2: him to return. If you have LJ Martin and he's effective,
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  Speaker 2: obviously that helps a ton, but I don't know that
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  Speaker 2: he can just come back suddenly and be the guy
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  Speaker 2: he was like, certainly that's a hope for BYU fans.
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  Speaker 2: Cause LJ is one of the best backs in the country.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, Utah does a tremendous job of stopping the run.
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  Speaker 2: And yes, some of their past defense numbers are not great,
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  Speaker 2: but frankly, I think that's because they've had leads and
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  Speaker 2: other teams have just been able to pass against some
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  Speaker 2: of the backups. So yeah, it's, it's a big ask
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  Speaker 2: and it's tough to go on the road and, and,
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  Speaker 2: and win this week, but certainly BYU's performance against Notre
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  Speaker 2: Dame does not rule out the possibility. They could absolutely
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  Speaker 2: show up and win.
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  Speaker 3: What is your gut telling you about LJ's availability?
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  Speaker 2: From, from the rhetoric from Kalani, see talk a Saturday
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  Speaker 2: after the game. And then Aaron Roderick, you know, yesterday
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  Speaker 2: on coordinator's corner, it's not sounding very good. I thought
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  Speaker 2: it would be a little more hopeful or positive. And
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if that's gamesmanship, you know, I'm not
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  Speaker 2: going to put it past anyone to sort of be
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  Speaker 2: coy about it. It's just part of the deal, but it's,
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  Speaker 2: it sounds like, he's maybe not as far ahead as
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  Speaker 2: they want. And you know, hopefully he is. And hopefully
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  Speaker 2: this week he has a great week and he gets
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  Speaker 2: healed up. But when Kalani says, yeah, we're hoping for
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  Speaker 2: the miracle, I go, whoa, we'll use the M word here. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It's just different. And BYU, it was kind of struggled
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  Speaker 2: to figure some stuff out in the run game. I
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  Speaker 2: think they just probably need to be a pass first
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  Speaker 2: team and figure it out with short and intermediate passes
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  Speaker 2: and stretch the field with legend. So I I'm not
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  Speaker 2: feeling great, frankly, about LJ Martin returning. The good news
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  Speaker 2: is Preston Rex was available last week. They did not
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  Speaker 2: play him in that game. I think they were saving
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  Speaker 2: him for the Utah game. And so that's good news. He,
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  Speaker 2: he provides some dynamic offense when you run an option,
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  Speaker 2: you know, and he can get outside the tackles, but
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  Speaker 2: you're kind of traditional big back LJ Martin. You can't
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  Speaker 2: replace that guy. No team can.
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  Speaker 3: Speaker 1 0.
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  Speaker 4: War utah byu 10 a.m abc on saturday the we
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  Speaker 4: already talked a little bit about the kickoff time last
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  Speaker 4: week and now that the reality of it is here
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  Speaker 4: and given the context of the games that both of
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  Speaker 4: these teams came off and You're in the routine this week,
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  Speaker 4: and it's a little break from routine on actual game day.
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  Speaker 4: Is there any meat on the bone with the kickoff
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  Speaker 4: time as it pertains to the actual players? I know
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  Speaker 4: there's some doubt that Rice Echo Stadium will be as
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  Speaker 4: bumping and live.
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  Speaker 3: I don't have that doubt. Some people feel that way.
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  Speaker 3: But will it affect the players?
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  Speaker 2: I don't think so. You know, will they have a
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  Speaker 2: perhaps more sluggish start because it's early. It's just not
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  Speaker 2: a time that these two teams play typically. Was there
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  Speaker 2: a Utah game at 9 00 AM on the West
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  Speaker 2: coast at some point, I'm trying to remember the PAC
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  Speaker 2: 12 days. There might've been like one of those or something,
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  Speaker 2: but yeah, it's just a weird time. Right? Yeah. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: we could have some slow starts and whatnot, but I
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  Speaker 2: just think these are two very good football teams. These
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  Speaker 2: are two teams that deserve to be in a playoff.
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  Speaker 2: that are competing for national championship are competing for a
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  Speaker 2: big total title. There's a lot of quality there. We'll
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  Speaker 2: look back and both these teams will be littered with
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  Speaker 2: NFL guys. I think this is just an awesome matchup
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  Speaker 2: between two very good programs. There've been years where one
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  Speaker 2: team's a heavy favorite and the other is not. And
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  Speaker 2: one team's supposed to win and the other is not whatever.
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  Speaker 2: This is a heavyweight And it's, it's going to be awesome.
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  Speaker 2: Can't wait to see the final number for the ranking reveal,
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  Speaker 2: but I just think it's a fun matchup. Utah's playing great,
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  Speaker 2: feeling super confident. BYU, you know, can they play like
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  Speaker 2: they did against Notre Dame is the question. And then
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  Speaker 2: if they do, certainly this will be a really good game.
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  Speaker 2: The Cougars have some really nice elements to what they're doing,
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  Speaker 2: but they've had some flaws kind of revealed the last
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  Speaker 2: couple of weeks post Notre Dame that they need to
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  Speaker 2: clean up. Tackling on defense has been an issue. You know,
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  Speaker 2: the lack of a run game, a force BYU to
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  Speaker 2: be somewhat one dimensional, but I don't doubt that BYU
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  Speaker 2: trying to figure out just, just like they did. It's
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  Speaker 2: just crazy. That win was so significant, not only for
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  Speaker 2: BYU's resume, but for what they feel like they can do.
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  Speaker 2: They know that they could, they could beat a team
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  Speaker 2: like Notre Dame. That means you can beat anybody. And
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  Speaker 2: certainly at Utah is a big challenge, but one that,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I think BYU is up for, and it's
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  Speaker 2: going to be fun to watch.
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  Speaker 4: Where is BYU's greatest positional advantage here when it actually
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  Speaker 4: plays out, right? You know, each team has its strengths,
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  Speaker 4: its weaknesses, When you look at whether it's a running
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  Speaker 4: back room with LJ Martin or not, it's the linebackers,
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  Speaker 4: it's whoever, where do you look at it and say, okay,
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  Speaker 4: BYU is better here than Utah is?
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  Speaker 2: I think there are a few spots where you can
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  Speaker 2: make that argument. I don't know that there's a clear,
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  Speaker 2: like lean in, in a lot of areas. I think
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  Speaker 2: it's like evenly matched in a lot of different ways.
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  Speaker 2: I like BYU secondary with Utah's receivers and tight ends.
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  Speaker 2: Those they've been more explosive, more dynamic, you know, like
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  Speaker 2: with Hunter Andrews entering the fray last couple of weeks
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  Speaker 2: to tie down. dude in the mix here. And, and
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  Speaker 2: that run game, you just have to respect the place
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  Speaker 2: on Parker and obviously Devin Dan period on one 50
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  Speaker 2: against Houston. You have to sort of account for that
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  Speaker 2: in what way and what does that mean in the
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  Speaker 2: past defense? But I think you've already shown that they
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  Speaker 2: can defend really well. I thought they did a great job.
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  Speaker 2: You didn't say it's used stud two guys last week.
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  Speaker 2: They had five catches for 40 something yards. Those are
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  Speaker 2: two NFL guys. And so, yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm interested
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  Speaker 2: that matchup, you know, BYU front seven has been pretty
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  Speaker 2: good this year, but they've had some tackling issues. You gotta,
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  Speaker 2: you gotta tackle way. Sean Parker is a big dude.
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  Speaker 2: Devin Nampier, you know, does a great job in the
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  Speaker 2: run game. And then Devin's made some good decisions. BYU
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  Speaker 2: probably needs Devin to throw a pick or two for
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  Speaker 2: BYU to have some success or turnovers have been a
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  Speaker 2: huge thing, obviously in the history of this rivalry, as
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  Speaker 2: we know. And BYU, if they are pass first, are
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  Speaker 2: they more vulnerable to an interception? The answer is yes.
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  Speaker 2: In the three-win streak for BYU, they haven't turned it
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  Speaker 2: over at all, Sean, at all, zero. And even when
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  Speaker 2: BYU won the margin once or twice in the nine-game
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  Speaker 2: losing streak, they didn't win. And so I think turnovers
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  Speaker 2: are a big deal. BYU is going to have to
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  Speaker 2: create some. They've only created, you know, one or two
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  Speaker 2: of the last four games. And so that'll be a
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  Speaker 2: big evening opportunity for BYU here.
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  Speaker 4: The context of this game being so massive and being
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  Speaker 4: a top 10 matchup has brought the recruiting picture into
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  Speaker 4: the forefront, at least for Utah's recruiting weekend. I imagine
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  Speaker 4: BYU is taking advantage of it as well, although that's
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  Speaker 4: harder to do when you're not on your home field. And,
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  Speaker 4: you know, I was talking a little bit about it yesterday.
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  Speaker 4: Recruiting is not my area of expertise, but all of
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  Speaker 4: us have seen the talent funnel trend toward the winner
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  Speaker 4: of this rivalry. And three in a row in several
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  Speaker 4: years now in favor of BYU has reflected itself with
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  Speaker 4: the in-state kids especially. When you look at the state
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  Speaker 4: of both programs, where they're at, it feels like it
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  Speaker 4: adds even more importance to this one. But I wanted
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  Speaker 4: your thoughts on that because we're all prisoners of the moment.
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  Speaker 4: And when you're 18 or 19 years old, I think
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  Speaker 4: that's even more true. How big is this, do you think,
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  Speaker 4: from a recruiting standpoint?
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  Speaker 2: Speaker 3 0 I think it always matters. I think
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  Speaker 2: there are some fence sitters that may be swayed by
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  Speaker 2: this game. I also think there are other guys who
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  Speaker 2: are like, no, no, no. I, I just fit better
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  Speaker 2: with Utah or I just fit better with BYU. But yeah,
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  Speaker 2: like last year, the pool of twins were committed to Utah.
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  Speaker 2: And after the BYU Utah game, they were in the
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  Speaker 2: BYU locker room and they hadn't committed to BYU. So
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: it was like, there's all kinds of drama that, you know,
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  Speaker 2: goes into that, you know, after a game, then visiting
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  Speaker 2: the stadium and being there and yeah, you know, some,
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  Speaker 2: some people were kind leaning this way that I'm not sure.
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  Speaker 2: Like the results is like, okay, now I'm with you.
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: Cause you looked better tonight, but it's a big deal.
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: And yeah, there are several recruits that these two teams
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: battle for. And that's a, that's part of the rivalry too.
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: As you mentioned, it's not just the game. It's the fandom.
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: It's the it's everything. It's it's whose game day was better.
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: It's like all the stuff goes into the rivalry, which
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: is fun.
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: Speaker 0 1, which, which was it?
• 16:19
  Speaker 4: You that's paying the big 12 referees to get one
• 16:23
  Speaker 4: one call, not a judgment call, but one administrative call
• 16:26
  Speaker 4: to go BYU's way and then have the statement come
• 16:29
  Speaker 4: out the next day.
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: But the results are still there. It's three weeks in
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: a row, Jerram.
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: And did you see Wellner put out a, put out
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: a tweet saying, Hey, they're, they're talking about reevaluating everything.
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: I would hope so. Yeah. There have been way too
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: many issues, you know, whether it goes BYU's way or not,
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: like I, we got to just make the right call.
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: Like when BYU scores a touchdown on a play where
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: it seemed like they had blown the play dead and
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: then it somehow like, what are we doing? It's there,
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: there are some issues. They got to clean that up.
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: And the funny thing is, you know, you have all this,
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: you know, transparency, you can hear and see everything. And
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: every week, Mike Ferrer and Terry McCauley, we're getting them
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: weighing in going, no, that was wrong. That's not the rule.
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: We should not be this familiar with certain rules. Like
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: we just shouldn't. That's why they're the experts. And now
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: we're all becoming experts. It's a little too much.
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: Speaker 3 I thought this was fake. Um, there's, there's
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: somebody selling, uh, BYU God's team t-shirts.
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: Are those actually going to be popular?
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: Is this like somebody who's, who's, who's like, uh, like
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: subversively trolling the BYU fan base?
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: Speaker 0 5th. That feels fake. Yeah. I was unaware
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: of that. That seems weird. I, I do. I do
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: chuckle when it's like, you know, the Lord's universe, I go,
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: isn't that the only Hawaii? Let's be honest. Like, like,
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: like that's the spot, right? Like that's paradise. No, I,
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: I love, you know, being here and the religious element
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: and all about it. But yeah, that's, that's a weird t-shirt.
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: Speaker 2 5th. Speaker 0 6th.
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: Another thing going back to what, what Morgan Scali said
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: during the press conference and the way that he and
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: Kalani are going to handle this thing. It's It's one thing.
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: I mean, the must put out their reminder. Hey, don't,
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: don't do anything from a chanting perspective. That's going to
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: get a penalty or it's going to get a fine
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: or anything like that. It's never happened at a Utah
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: BYU game anyway, for obvious reasons. But, but the way
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: that they are trying to cool this thing off, is
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: it going to be well received by both fan bases?
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: Because I think that, I think all of us kind
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: of like that. This is the purge, right? We get one,
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: one day of the year where it's just like, you
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: know what? It's not love thy neighbor today. I'm going to,
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: If so good.
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: I don't know if everyone is like on board with
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: softening this thing.
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: Well, like to a point, there's like sports hate and
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: then there's real hate, right? Like sports hate is fine.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: Like let's compete. Let's get after it. There's a certain
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: way to do that that can be, you know, competitive
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: without crossing the line. Like we shouldn't have people jumping
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: down to fight cheerleaders. We shouldn't have people throwing a
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: lot of bottles at cheerleaders. Like there's just certain things
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: that cross the line. We all know where that line is,
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: I think. And hopefully the, you know, extremists don't ruin
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: it for the rest of us, but yeah. let's have
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: some fun on one day and get after it and
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: root hard for your team. That that's the thing that
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: I don't enjoy as much as like, I don't need
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: to hate sports, hate someone or something else. Why don't
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: I just love my team in the way that that
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: looks like for me? I don't know. Let's, but let's
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: just have some fun. I, the game itself is the clash.
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: Like it's, it's the Royal in the, in the Crimson.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: It's just, it's beautiful. I love it. And yeah, let's,
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: Let's let's follow the example of these two head coaches
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: that are like, yeah, on this day, we're going to
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: compete and get after, and then we'll hug it out after,
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: you know, you and I will do the same. You
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: know what I mean? That it'll be, we'll, we'll be
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: representative of that. Hopefully in the press box.
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: Speaker 0 1, what would you like? What would you
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: like poured on you by the Utah fans? Because every
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: time people come to rice, it's something's getting poured on them.
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: I would like, you know what I would like poured
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: on points in the end zone. That's what I would
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: like to point on to be. BYU has not beaten
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: Utah by double figures since 1996, when BYU ran for
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: 300 plus yards and Brian McKenzie and Ronnie Jenkins, you know,
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: Steve's artesian went seven for 12. We already won 37, 17. I,
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: this feels like another one score game. It very well
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: could be 20 of the 30 have been last 30,
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: which is just insane. It is the tightest closest, most
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: dramatic rivalry in college football over time. And I think
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: that plays into why it's so awesome. You just, it
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: typically comes down to the wire for one of these,
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: you know, one team winning and it's fun that way.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: You just, yeah, it's awesome. And it's my favorite sporting
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: event year. Like love the jazz, love the mammoth, love
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: college football, college basketball. This it's, it's the best BYU
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: versus you tell me, Speaker 0.
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: 5,0 Is there a Utah player that the BYU fan base,
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: or maybe it's a couple that the Utah BYU fan
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: base can identify as like, oh, that he is my
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: least favorite youth in history. I think both fan bases
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: have their favorites on the other side. and that we're,
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: I'm asking this cause we have Austin Colley coming on
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: the show today. And I think he holds that, that
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: dubious distinction for a lot of Utah fans.
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: They're like, Oh, that guy.
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: And you know, max hall and whatever else, but like,
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: is there the equivalent of that for BYU fans?
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: Speaker 4, it looks a good question. It's probably personal
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: to everybody. You know, when, when Tyler Hunt Huntley said
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: dates That made me laugh more like at the time
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: I was mad, but now it makes me laugh. And
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: I was telling my son about that this week. Cause
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: he was, he likes the Ravens a little bit. And
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: I was like, Hey, Tyler, how many of their quarterback,
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: you know, where he played, right? And he goes, BYU.
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: I go, no, you talk. But yeah, they sell people.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: Isn't this funny? Yeah. There've been fun moments. One of
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: my favorites was actually Chris fool, Matthew model follow. Just
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: cause I had memorized his name as a kid and
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: love saying that it just rolls off the tongue so much.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: My favorite is probably Ryan. That's my favorite Utah player.
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: Both times. Yeah. Oh, nice. Okay.
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: Real nice. Real nice. All right.
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: Give me a prediction. How does it actually play out?
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: If BYU can be, you know, and here's the thing
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: I say, Hey, they need to win the turnover margin.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: You guys actually lost the turnover margin in five of
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: the eight games this year and four in a row.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: And they didn't win it against Notre Dame and they won.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: So it's not like they have to win the turnover margin,
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: but I feel much more confident. BYU does certainly, but yeah, something,
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: something tied again. It really feels like it's another kind
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: of 24, 21 ish kind of game. And of course
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: I'm taking the Cougs man, but I do think it's
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: going to be a battle. I think Utah's right now
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: is playing like the better team, but that has not
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: always indicated who wins this game. And if BYU can
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: muster a Notre Dame like performance again, certainly it could
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: be very interesting.
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: Well, I will see you on Saturday and early on Saturday,
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: I will be rude and hostile post game on Saturday.
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: I'll be nice. All right.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: That's fair. Let's compete, baby.
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: Appreciate your time as always. Jerem.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: Thanks.
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: Apparently James has another drop. What did you do this time?
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: No, no, no. I, I just fit better with Utah
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: rooting for Utah. I'm fine with that.
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: I love it.
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: I love it.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: Oh, I got quit.
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: Oh, James likes doing that to you.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: I know. Well, this week of all weeks, I expect it,
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: you know? Let's go.
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: You're the man.
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: Appreciate your time. Thank you.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: Party on.
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