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Oregon 41, Ohio State 28: 3 Things We Learned From A Total Collapse · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Buckeyes tomorrow morning for Sunday, November 8th. I'm
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  Speaker 1: your host, Tom Orr. The Northwestern game in six days,
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  Speaker 1: And I mean, we are contractually obligated to talk about
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  Speaker 1: Ohio State's 41-28 loss to the Oregon Ducks, a game
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  Speaker 1: in which they had a 14-0 lead and then gave
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  Speaker 1: up 38 unanswered points. It has been a minute since
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  Speaker 1: they've managed to pull that off. Joined by Tony Gerderman
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  Speaker 1: of BuckeyeInsiders.com. Tony, I have three things that are sort
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  Speaker 1: of three takeaways for Matt. This is, we did like,
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  Speaker 1: Two hours and 40 minutes of postgame show. There is
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  Speaker 1: a lot that we're not going to cover on this one.
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  Speaker 1: But there's three things. I want to talk one thing
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  Speaker 1: about offense, one thing about defense, one thing about special teams.
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  Speaker 1: Because the failure, she was comprehensive on Saturday night in Horseshoe.
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  Speaker 1: On offense, Jeremiah Smith, eight targets. They threw the ball
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  Speaker 1: 50 times.
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  Speaker 2: Only eight of them went to Jeremiah Smith. I'm sure
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  Speaker 2: some of them.
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  Speaker 1: He was, you know, there were plays where he was
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  Speaker 1: off the field and maybe he was asking out, maybe.
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  Speaker 2: We don't know.
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  Speaker 1: There were plays where he was, I'm sure, covered by
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  Speaker 1: multiple people and there was a better option. But I just,
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  Speaker 1: when the offense is struggling and they're not running the ball,
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  Speaker 1: it feels like you just kind of have to push
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  Speaker 1: that button sometimes.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. They finished with nine targets. Devin McCoon had 13.
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  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 3: And there were, there's a long stretch of the second
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  Speaker 3: quarter where I don't, I don't think Jeremiah was, he
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  Speaker 3: was not even targeted at the second quarter. Yeah. Now
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  Speaker 3: Oregon had the ball for much of that second quarter.
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  Speaker 2: How did that second quarter go for Ohio state?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. But from, I think like the, the three minutes,
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  Speaker 3: the three minutes remaining mark in the first quarter to
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  Speaker 3: about the three minutes remaining mark in the third quarter,
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  Speaker 3: no targets for Jeremiah Smith. And I mean, he's still
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  Speaker 3: on your team. So, You might want to just go
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  Speaker 3: at him. And I'm not talking about behind the line
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  Speaker 3: of scrimmage stuff that has not worked the last few weeks.
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  Speaker 3: This is a situation where Oregon wasn't overly concerned with, like, well,
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  Speaker 3: we've got to put two guys on him or whatever.
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  Speaker 3: It's just there were times Luke Fahey is never looking
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  Speaker 3: his way. It was almost like he was third in
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  Speaker 3: the progression. He should be first or second. and rarely second,
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  Speaker 3: I guess, when you're struggling to move the ball. You
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  Speaker 3: need to move him up in the progression and get
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  Speaker 3: him the ball or attempt to get him the ball,
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  Speaker 3: throw it up to him, whatever, because you need something
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  Speaker 3: that works, and your best chance of doing something that
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  Speaker 3: works down the field is number four.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it just feels like this is a different variation
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  Speaker 1: of the conversation we've had a bunch over the course
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  Speaker 1: of the season where you're in these crucial moments, you're
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  Speaker 1: in the.
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  Speaker 2: Goal line, and it's like, well... You've got to put
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  Speaker 2: four tight ends out there. Why? Because. Blocking surfaces, sure.
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  Speaker 1: And it's just right now they have to kind of
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  Speaker 1: do it with duct tape and bailing wire to a
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  Speaker 1: certain degree. Like you can't just, plan A is out
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  Speaker 1: the window at this point. So now it's like, okay,
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  Speaker 1: what does Ryan Day say? Job one is win the game.
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  Speaker 1: The most important thing is win the game. Well, getting
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  Speaker 1: the ball in your hands of your best player as
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  Speaker 1: often as humanly possible feels like a way to do that.
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  Speaker 1: that was not the option that they opted for on
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  Speaker 1: Saturday night.
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  Speaker 3: And it's seven for one 33. It's like, well, what
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  Speaker 3: about 10 for one 70?
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  Speaker 2: Right. Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and it was, and a huge amount of that,
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  Speaker 1: there was a touchdown at the end of the game
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  Speaker 1: after the game was long out of reach.
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  Speaker 2: And then he also had.
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  Speaker 1: A 57 yarder, a 57 yarder after the game was
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  Speaker 1: long out of reach, like explore that studio space in
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  Speaker 1: the second quarter when it's still a game rather than
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  Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter when it's not the defense from
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  Speaker 1: Matt Patricia, like, You're going up against an offensive coordinator
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  Speaker 1: who got fired at Wyoming last year. He just took
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  Speaker 1: the job a couple weeks ago because Oregon's offense was
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  Speaker 1: so inept that they fired their coordinator mid-season. You're a
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  Speaker 1: former NFL head coach. You're a former NFL defensive coordinator.
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  Speaker 1: And you just, I mean, he just ate.
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  Speaker 2: Your lunch where.
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  Speaker 1: you're sitting back, it was kind of rush, you know,
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  Speaker 1: rush three, rush four, dropping a.
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  Speaker 2: Lot of guys and getting sort of picked apart.
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  Speaker 1: And then whenever there was pressure, it felt like that
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  Speaker 1: was when Oregon's running a screen. It just felt like
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  Speaker 1: Oregon's offense was just one step ahead all night long.
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  Speaker 1: And the lack of pressure on a consistent basis was
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  Speaker 1: weird to me.
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  Speaker 2: But it just, it's like, how do you lose rock, paper,
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  Speaker 2: scissors 85% of the time?
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  Speaker 3: We know how it's been done in the past by
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  Speaker 3: some programs or a program. Yes. But this one, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: Ohio State was one step behind or Oregon was one
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  Speaker 3: step ahead for most of this game. And they knew
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  Speaker 3: when Patricia would do stuff like I don't maybe Patricia,
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  Speaker 3: like his tendencies, he's just following them and not changing them.
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  Speaker 3: That's one of the things they do during the bye
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  Speaker 3: week is we've got to change up our tendencies. And
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  Speaker 3: tendencies are there for a reason because it's what you're
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  Speaker 3: good at. It's like, I don't know if that math
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  Speaker 3: works for this. And I thought Oregon did a fantastic
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  Speaker 3: job of knowing where all of the zones were and
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  Speaker 3: all of Ohio State's play calls. So Dylan Arroyo, as
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  Speaker 3: long as he had time, He knew he would have
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  Speaker 3: somewhere that was open to move the ball.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Ryan Day is a big fan of the middle
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  Speaker 1: eight and the last four minutes of the first half,
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  Speaker 1: first four minutes of the second half. I cannot remember
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  Speaker 1: a team in an Ohio State game ever losing middle
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  Speaker 1: eight 21-0. Oof. From the three-minute mark of the second quarter,
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  Speaker 1: Oregon went nine plays, 70 yards, touchdown, eight plays, 59 yards, touchdown.
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  Speaker 1: And then after half, five plays, 75-yard touchdown. Then they
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  Speaker 1: got a short field, missed a field goal. Six plays,
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  Speaker 1: 42 yards, touchdown. And at that point, the game's more
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  Speaker 1: or less over. Like, that's about as bad a stretch
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  Speaker 1: as we've seen the Ohio State defense have in a
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  Speaker 1: long time. And there are lots of things you can
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  Speaker 1: point to.
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  Speaker 2: They've had injuries.
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  Speaker 1: They've had, you know, they've shuffled personnel in and out.
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  Speaker 2: And Oregon's offense is a good offense.
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  Speaker 1: We rewatched Oregon's offense against Northwestern and went, yeah, this
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  Speaker 1: is a good team.
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  Speaker 2: This is a team that's better than its record. All true. Man,
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  Speaker 2: it's been a long time since Ohio State's defense has
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  Speaker 2: looked that bad.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and everything. You know, they were stopping the run
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  Speaker 3: until they did.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And they repped off a long one. But the third
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  Speaker 3: down defense was atrocious because it had to be because
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  Speaker 3: Orville was so successful. So it must have been bad, right?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: You're not successful four or five times against third long because, man,
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  Speaker 3: that was some great third down defense that we were
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  Speaker 3: able to get over. There were times watching, it's like
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  Speaker 3: he's actively trying to give up these first downs or
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  Speaker 3: create these zones, and that's not the case. It's just
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  Speaker 3: how it appeared at times. based on what they were
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  Speaker 3: doing defensively. And then any time, like they do every
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  Speaker 3: time where it's like, okay, this is a situation where
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  Speaker 3: Matt Patricia would blitz. Let's go screen.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And it's like there's one defender trying to take on
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  Speaker 3: three offensive linemen on all of these screens. One defender
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  Speaker 3: if he's lucky.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. So that was, you know, they struggled on
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  Speaker 1: third down. They did get Oregon to fourth down.
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  Speaker 2: And then... Sometimes Oregon punted. Sometimes Oregon lined up.
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  Speaker 1: As if to punt. The book is out on Dan Lanning.
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  Speaker 1: He's going to be aggressive on fourth down. He's going
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  Speaker 1: to run fake punts. He's going to run fake field goals.
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  Speaker 1: He's going to do it in positions on the field where.
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  Speaker 2: It's completely nuts to do it. This is a thing.
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  Speaker 2: He has lost them games by doing this. But Ohio
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  Speaker 2: State's up 14-3.
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  Speaker 1: Oregon's lining up for a punt on fourth and nine
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  Speaker 1: in their own territory. It's like, well, you'd be crazy
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  Speaker 1: to run a fake punt here, and Tony, you're not
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  Speaker 1: going to believe it, but the guy who's known for
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  Speaker 1: doing crazy stuff did a crazy thing, and Ohio State
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  Speaker 1: seemed totally unprepared.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and it was a great fake punt because I
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  Speaker 3: don't know that I've ever seen a jump pass running
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  Speaker 3: to the line of scrimmage jump pass on a fake
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  Speaker 3: punt from the up man, which is what this was,
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  Speaker 3: from one defensive end to another, and you saw like...
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  Speaker 3: They clearly saw the fake punt as it was snapped
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  Speaker 3: to the up man. Then they went after him, which
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  Speaker 3: was exactly what the plan was for that jump pass.
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  Speaker 3: And then you make a nice throw and catch and run.
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  Speaker 3: But even up in the press box, we're talking about
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  Speaker 3: on Oregon's first punt, they were doing some weird stuff.
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  Speaker 3: And it's like they're setting something up. Like this is
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  Speaker 3: building off of something else. And then they changed some
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  Speaker 3: things up for the next one. And you saw... this
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  Speaker 3: happened and nobody is surprised by it. Like nobody's like,
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  Speaker 3: I can't believe it. It's just like, yeah, this is, yep.
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  Speaker 3: That's about right. That's when this should happen.
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  Speaker 1: The only time I texted our group chat that I
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  Speaker 1: was shocked about anything was when Dan Lanning kicked the
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  Speaker 1: field goal instead of going for it on fourth and two.
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  Speaker 1: It was like, that is way out of character for him.
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  Speaker 1: And that was the first field goal of the night.
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  Speaker 3: It's almost like he's lulling them to sleep that way
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  Speaker 3: as well.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Like, I'm total normal Dan.
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  Speaker 2: I am old and boring now.
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  Speaker 3: And then, boom, there goes the jump pass from the
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  Speaker 3: defensive end. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So now?
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  Speaker 1: What a fascinating week we're heading into. Once again, I
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  Speaker 1: feel like we've said this three weeks in a row
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  Speaker 1: now where Ohio State, you've got a true freshman quarterback. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Going into USC, it's like, boy, what are they going
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  Speaker 1: to look like in this game? And okay, well, they
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  Speaker 1: look bad there, but okay, how are they going to
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  Speaker 1: rebound from this? And they jump onto a 14-0 lead
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  Speaker 1: and then give up 38 unanswered.
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  Speaker 2: And boy, what a night of football that was in Columbus, Ohio.
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  Speaker 3: First quarter was cool.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Crowd was great in the first quarter. But now, okay,
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  Speaker 1: now you've got Northwestern coming in. And boy, Northwestern's going
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  Speaker 1: to pose a whole different challenge. I'm really interested to
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  Speaker 1: see what Chip Kelly has drawn up for this one
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  Speaker 1: for his old friend Ryan Day and how Matt Patricia
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  Speaker 1: will choose.
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  Speaker 2: To defend it.
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  Speaker 1: Because I'm going to guess a lot of the schemes
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  Speaker 1: that Chip Kelly is pulling out of the 1944 Iowa
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  Speaker 1: pre-flight playbook are not things that Matt Patricia has run
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  Speaker 1: across before.
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  Speaker 3: Well, and that's the other thing here is how much
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  Speaker 3: Jay Timmons is going to be featured out there. Do
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  Speaker 3: they do a thing where they know the defense is
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  Speaker 3: better with Jay Timmons out there? Do they keep a
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  Speaker 3: couple of tight ends? Northwestern would like to spread you out,
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  Speaker 3: but it's like, you know what? Let's just get big
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  Speaker 3: and see if we can run and do stuff.
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  Speaker 1: You said that, and I thought, are you suggesting they're
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  Speaker 1: going to play tight ends on defense?
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  Speaker 2: And then I thought... I could see it. I could
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  Speaker 2: see it.
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  Speaker 3: Don't even say that.
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  Speaker 2: We will.
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