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Gordie Chiesa on the NBA Playoffs, Utah Jazz in the draft lottery, Fans being priced out of in person sports experience (?) + more · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 1: He's out.
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  Speaker 2: Let's get the latest on the Utah Jazz with former
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  Speaker 2: Jazz assistant coach Gordy Chiasa. He's forgotten more about the
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  Speaker 2: NBA than any of us will ever know.
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  Speaker 1: Let's not get crazy.
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  Speaker 2: Come for the hoops talk, stay for his list of
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  Speaker 2: the day My list today. Here's oc with basketball savon
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  Speaker 2: Gordy Chiasa on the Sean O'Connell Show.
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  Speaker 3: Let's get into it with our guy, Gordy chias A,
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  Speaker 3: resident kuru and experts of all things NBA basketball.
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  Speaker 1: Gordy, welcome to the show. How are you, Joan? I'm
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  Speaker 1: doing well? Thank you? All right?
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  Speaker 3: You heard me asking the question in a rhetorical manner.
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  Speaker 3: Now that you're actually here, Gordy Chiasa, the living legend,
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  Speaker 3: at least locally, what's the last time you had to
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  Speaker 3: buy a sports ticket?
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  Speaker 1: It's been a while. I'm blessed as it should be
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  Speaker 1: as it's been a while.
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  Speaker 4: No, I'm blessed and I'm grateful truly. Again, we work
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  Speaker 4: in industry at different brotherhood and sisterhood, and it's all
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  Speaker 4: part of it. That's why I feel bad for the fans,
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  Speaker 4: you know where they pay unbeliev of prices and the
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  Speaker 4: players showing don't play hard, or they're injured, or they're
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  Speaker 4: sitting out. I feel awful. I mean that sincerely. That
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  Speaker 4: I'm a fan at heart, and that's what makes it
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  Speaker 4: so troublesome about the quote this tanking you mentioned for
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  Speaker 4: about the World Soccer Championships this summer in July around
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  Speaker 4: the country, And obviously I'm a native of New York
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  Speaker 4: and New Jersey. Itight and the Meadowlands is a huge
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  Speaker 4: part of this right now. And I can tell many
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  Speaker 4: people in there that are soccer fans that are outraged
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  Speaker 4: about the prices and just the logistics of getting from
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  Speaker 4: midtown Manhattan going through the Lincoln Tunnel or to Joe
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  Speaker 4: Washington Bridge or the Holland Tunnel to go to the
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  Speaker 4: Meadlands to play. It's not really fans friendly as far
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  Speaker 4: as the travel of it.
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  Speaker 3: And I know, I know the people far smarter than
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  Speaker 3: me are figuring out like the economic formulas for thresholds
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  Speaker 3: on prices, and hey, we can keep we can keep
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  Speaker 3: increasing that season ticket package five percent every year until
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  Speaker 3: a certain point and then that person's going to cancel,
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  Speaker 3: but we know somebody else is gonna pick it up.
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  Speaker 3: I would have thought, Gordy, because I'm a resident chief
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  Speaker 3: skate here, I would have thought, I mean, years and
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  Speaker 3: years ago, we had jumped the shark. We had gotten
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  Speaker 3: to a point where people were just like, I'm not
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  Speaker 3: paying that to watch football, especially now that at.
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  Speaker 1: Home on television.
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  Speaker 3: The experience is so great, but the demand does not
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  Speaker 3: seem to diminish, even as the prices, I mean, we're
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  Speaker 3: compared to what it was in the nineties when I
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  Speaker 3: was a kid and we were going to games. It's
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  Speaker 3: not twice as expensive to go to games now, it's
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  Speaker 3: ten times more expensive than it was then, and it
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  Speaker 3: feels like it's not sustainable if it keeps going that way.
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  Speaker 1: Yet it is. It's exactly that. It is sustainable.
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  Speaker 4: How why because enough people around to have high wealth.
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  Speaker 4: But the problem is, Sean, is the the younger people.
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  Speaker 4: That's where every the the NBA and the NFL, Major
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  Speaker 4: League baseball, soccer, they're trying to hockey. They're trying to
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  Speaker 4: attract the younger people because that's the next generation of
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  Speaker 4: ticket buying. That's why they watch games now on streaming
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  Speaker 4: because it's much cheaper than going to the game. So
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  Speaker 4: they have to figure out how to get them to
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  Speaker 4: go to it. Showing the NFL is the perfect scenario.
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  Speaker 4: Though there's only x amount of home games, and so
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  Speaker 4: every home game shown in the NFL, it is happening.
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  Speaker 4: It's values whether you're tailgating or whether you're going with
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  Speaker 4: generational family. You know where your great your grandfather goes,
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  Speaker 4: you go, your your son goes, your daughter goes, your
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  Speaker 4: next door nator goes with you. There's nothing like it.
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  Speaker 4: So the NFL apps that's why it rules. Plus the
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  Speaker 4: games aretageous.
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  Speaker 1: Two.
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  Speaker 3: All right, let's get into these NBA playoffs as we're
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  Speaker 3: seeing them play out. I think when you first walked
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  Speaker 3: in and started, you know, plugging things in with James,
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  Speaker 3: I was talking about the New York Knicks. They they're
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  Speaker 3: up to to ozh now in the series against Philadelphia,
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  Speaker 3: Philadelphia without Joel Embiid last night, they only went three
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  Speaker 3: guys deep in the bench, did Philadelphia. So not a
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  Speaker 3: lot of not a lot of depth or at least
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  Speaker 3: not a lot of trust in the depth.
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  Speaker 1: With this series against New York.
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  Speaker 3: But it feels like Gordie, the Knicks are on a
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  Speaker 3: roll right now and that Philadelphia's they got to figure
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  Speaker 3: something out.
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  Speaker 5: If they're gonna put up any level of resistance, Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: very much. But with that said, though, that was a
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  Speaker 5: hard four game. Do you realize that the game was
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  Speaker 5: a one o eight one oh two victory. There were
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  Speaker 5: twenty five lead changes during the game. That was the
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  Speaker 5: most in the NBA in eleven years. Sin Yeah, since
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  Speaker 5: the Sprosen Clippers. So it was a winnable game. The
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  Speaker 5: problem was in the fourth quarter. I called a frozen thunder,
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  Speaker 5: a frozen chili. Shooting by the seventy six is they
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  Speaker 5: go four for nineteen from the field, one for ten
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  Speaker 5: from threes, the only score twelve points in the fourth quarter,
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  Speaker 5: Knicks only scored nineteen points. So that game was a
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  Speaker 5: back and forth battle scourmage and the Knicks were able
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  Speaker 5: to hold him off. I'm well concerned right now about
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  Speaker 5: og and and Obie, who pulled up blame during the
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  Speaker 5: end of the game.
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  Speaker 4: Right now, he's been spectacular for the Knicks. So we'll
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  Speaker 4: see right now if he's gonna play in game three
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  Speaker 4: shown in the City of Brotherly Love. We know about
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  Speaker 4: that one in Philadelphia on Friday night. So it was
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  Speaker 4: a hard fourth game. The Knicks were able to hang
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  Speaker 4: in there, led by Jellen brunts in that fourth quarter,
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  Speaker 4: he made some great baskets for them. Calls any towns
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  Speaker 4: who's in foul trouble the whole game only played twenty
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  Speaker 4: seven minutes, but he was productive twenty points, ten boards,
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  Speaker 4: and seven assists, and that they're able to knock out
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  Speaker 4: all right. For the sixth point of view, no Joel
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  Speaker 4: embiid multiple injuries right ankle sprain and a right hip soreness.
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  Speaker 4: Where in game one he played twenty five minutes and
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  Speaker 4: he was a factor. In Game two, it did not play.
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  Speaker 4: The question is always, right now, will he play tomorrow
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  Speaker 4: night in Philadelphia? No one knows right now. Right now,
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  Speaker 4: they're listening him as far as probable. We'll see, Sean.
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  Speaker 4: Now it turns around for the seventy six is if
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  Speaker 4: they can win with more bench production of being productive
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  Speaker 4: and can terse maxing those guys and Paul George shoot
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  Speaker 4: better in the fourth quarter to knock the Knicks out.
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  Speaker 4: Mainstinks telling me, Sean, they're gonna do it? You think so, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I do, yeah, two to one we should. I'm gonna
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  Speaker 4: say it be two to one and then then reset
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  Speaker 4: from there. Knicks are playing good, though they're absolutely Jalen
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  Speaker 4: Brunson is is really a star player, especially seeing playoff games.
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  Speaker 4: Here's the question, philosophically and situationally, can you, as a
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  Speaker 4: basketball player score through physicality? That's what it comes down to.
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  Speaker 4: If you're a finesse shooter regular season, that's well commendable.
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  Speaker 4: But in the playoff games, the game is always gritty
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  Speaker 4: and people are in your body the whole game. So again,
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  Speaker 4: can I score as a player against velocity and physicality?
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  Speaker 4: And most guys can't, some players can. I just describe
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  Speaker 4: Gellen Brunson and Stefan Castle of the Spurs also both
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  Speaker 4: of them.
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  Speaker 1: We'll get to the Spurs here in just a second.
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  Speaker 3: For the Knicks, this game brought brought you back down
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  Speaker 3: to earth a little bit after three in a row
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  Speaker 3: where they were just demolishing first the Hawks and then
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  Speaker 3: the seventy six ers.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, the dynamic.
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  Speaker 3: Of a more realistic win like this one, and as
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  Speaker 3: you said, a more hard fought win like this one,
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  Speaker 3: how does it change, you know, your conversation in the
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  Speaker 3: locker room, the film study, the practices, the shoot arounds,
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  Speaker 3: et cetera. When it's like, all right, we're back in
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  Speaker 3: a series with someone who's gonna fight us out.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, very much.
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  Speaker 4: What happens is that both teams have a sort of
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  Speaker 4: rallying cry where the nick nexus saying, okay, with two
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  Speaker 4: to oh, and now it's going to get hard. At
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  Speaker 4: each game, We've got to be more efficient offensively and
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  Speaker 4: be more tenacious defensive defensively to be able to knock
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  Speaker 4: out the seventy six. From the seventy six point of view,
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  Speaker 4: it's it's just very similar, but they have the more
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  Speaker 4: efficient and get more bench play, and so both coaches
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  Speaker 4: staffs are trying to angle the mental part of it
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  Speaker 4: of what they need to do to win. And also
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  Speaker 4: the NBA playoffs is the first and fourth quarter league.
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  Speaker 4: Is that if you jump out early in the game,
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  Speaker 4: that that sets the tempo of how you want to
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  Speaker 4: play and in the fourth quarter when the opposition has
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  Speaker 4: that usually a rally in the fourth quarter. Can you
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  Speaker 4: can you keep yourself with about it, value the ball
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  Speaker 4: and the possession and be able to score again mentioned
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  Speaker 4: again through physicality, Can I do that to hold off?
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  Speaker 4: Also another factor is that in the fourth quarter of
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  Speaker 4: a playoff game, it's a make and misleads from the
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  Speaker 4: foul line, and that's absolutely critical of making foul shots
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  Speaker 4: in the last five minutes of a playoff game where
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  Speaker 4: you don't want to go zero for the possession where
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  Speaker 4: you got to the foul line and you go zero
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  Speaker 4: for two and that possession now is wasted. So there's
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  Speaker 4: so much of the mental and physical part. And by
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  Speaker 4: the way, the partners during the game.
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  Speaker 3: Seventy from the stripe for Philadelphia last night, to drive
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  Speaker 3: that point home.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, oh yeptionally good enough. No, that's right, not good enough. No,
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  Speaker 4: it's not good enough. And that's why that's why it's
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  Speaker 4: so important to be Remember they call it free throws
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  Speaker 4: because it's a free shot from fifteen feet. There's a
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  Speaker 4: thing called pressure, and it's nothing like playoff pressure where
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  Speaker 4: you've got to be able to shoot forward not backwards.
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  Speaker 4: Show and you never see a guy play, even in
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  Speaker 4: a pickup game. Is that the guy misses a shot
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  Speaker 4: and he runs down the court and starts using his
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  Speaker 4: hand like this, he's waving at the shot that was
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  Speaker 4: missed about twenty five seconds later.
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  Speaker 3: Is that you shown it's not me, Gordy, because first
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  Speaker 3: of all, my release is more of just kind of
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  Speaker 3: like a shot put situation, you know.
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  Speaker 4: Versus all I flick the wrist, yeah, and so I
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  Speaker 4: and I laugh, and I laugh, and I'm sad, saddened
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  Speaker 4: by you when I see somebody run down the court
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  Speaker 4: after miss they open three and it practices form down
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  Speaker 4: the thing down the court, which tells us that he's
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  Speaker 4: playing backwards not forward.
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  Speaker 3: All right, We're gonna stay on clock here, which I
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  Speaker 3: never do. We're gonna take a break, We're gonna come back.
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna tell you what the hot lunch is today.
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  Speaker 3: And more importantly, Gordy and I are gonna get into
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  Speaker 3: Game two of the Minnesota San Antonio series, a major
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  Speaker 3: reversal of what happened in Game one. Gordioll tell us
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  Speaker 3: how the San Antonio Spurs bounce back the way that
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  Speaker 3: they did. That's next on the Sean O'Connell Show, ESPN
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  Speaker 3: The hot lunch topic I want to get to here, Gordy,
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  Speaker 3: is the San Antonio Spurs bouncing back after losing a
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  Speaker 3: close game one Anthony Edwards fought into the lineup for
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  Speaker 3: the Minnesota Timberwolves helps carry that team to victory. San
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  Speaker 3: Antonio looks a little out of sorts offensively, And I
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  Speaker 3: was saying it earlier.
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  Speaker 1: If Victor Webber Yama goes off.
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  Speaker 3: For forty points and beats you that way, you're probably
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  Speaker 3: still not liking it in Minnesota. But be you're like,
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  Speaker 3: all right, well, they got a guy that we just
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  Speaker 3: can't handle. That's not what happened in this game. It
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  Speaker 3: was a team effort for the Spurs. Seven guys in
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  Speaker 3: double digits, all up and down, getting the job done
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  Speaker 3: against Minnesota.
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  Speaker 1: How did it happen? It happened now.
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  Speaker 4: Defensively, that was the first thing is that the activity
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  Speaker 4: level of the Spurs to start the game and throughout
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  Speaker 4: the battle was absolutely phenomenal. Meaning this the Spurs have
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  Speaker 4: thirteen steals and nine block shots. So we call that
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  Speaker 4: to the equals twenty two. So the twenty two chances
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  Speaker 4: where they had defensively they won the possession. As far
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  Speaker 4: as the turnover possession, the Wolves only had nine. So
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  Speaker 4: it shows you that how twenty two to nine that
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  Speaker 4: was differential, and that shows you the activity level of
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  Speaker 4: what they did as far as mentally and physically. Add
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  Speaker 4: to that, the Tea Wolves had I called ice col
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  Speaker 4: Igloo shooting where they shot of the game forty percent
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  Speaker 4: from three point range thirty percent and showing here's the
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  Speaker 4: kicker about everything about three throws. They shot from the
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  Speaker 4: foul line. NBA players as a unit fifty two percent
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  Speaker 4: from the foul line, six team for thirty one. So
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  Speaker 4: you have no chance of remotely winning a road game
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  Speaker 4: because you're not shooting straight and defensively, the opposition is
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  Speaker 4: getting after you and you're not responding. Rudy Gobert, who
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  Speaker 4: we all really enjoy watching him play, he had a
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  Speaker 4: very marginal game against victor Wen Beyonmber and against the
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  Speaker 4: whole team. He only gets five points, ten rebounds and
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  Speaker 4: no blocks, and he's the kicker about it. Also to
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  Speaker 4: answer to it, the three throw line, he goes three
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  Speaker 4: for nine, So victor Wen Beyonmber the young superstar player
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  Speaker 4: at age twenty two, nineteen points, fifteen rebounds and two blocks,
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  Speaker 4: and he just part of the group. He wasn't special
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  Speaker 4: as far as his standards, but he really helped his
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  Speaker 4: team as far as neutralizing Rudy Gobert and everybody in
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  Speaker 4: the lane. See with Victor wen Beyonmber, is not the
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  Speaker 4: question how many blocks he gets, it's how many white
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  Speaker 4: he authors as far as not getting in there sure
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  Speaker 4: and people quick shoot, so with a team effort, Sewan,
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  Speaker 4: The answer this as far as the quickness plays is
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  Speaker 4: that the the Spurs outscored the two Wolves twenty seven
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  Speaker 4: to five and fast break points. So let's say the
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  Speaker 4: Spurs are ready to roll and the two Wolves, well,
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  Speaker 4: we're living on their first game victory.
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  Speaker 3: So when when you have a defensive specialist like Rudy
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  Speaker 3: Gobert who doesn't have a great defensive game, what's the conversation, like,
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  Speaker 3: what's the coaching like after that? Because his role is
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  Speaker 3: very clearly defined in a way that like a Victor win,
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  Speaker 3: Binyama's is not. Because Victor Weinbinyama can have like he
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  Speaker 3: did the other night, he could have an eleven point
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  Speaker 3: offensive performance but give you a dozen blocks and you're like,
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  Speaker 3: all right, well it wasn't perfect that it was in
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  Speaker 3: a loss, but you contributed to what we were doing here.
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  Speaker 3: When Rudy Gobert has a game like that, what do
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  Speaker 3: you tell him?
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  Speaker 1: What do you say to him? Well, we see him
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  Speaker 1: right now.
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  Speaker 4: A lot of it's positioning where he has to be
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  Speaker 4: much more alert to gain position and get the angle
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  Speaker 4: to be able to defend, whether it's a switch the
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  Speaker 4: defense or with ricktor m beyonda as far as playing
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  Speaker 4: close out. But part of the reason why the Tea
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  Speaker 4: Wolves are so behind was Julius Schrandell and Jade McDaniels,
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  Speaker 4: who've been really been playing well the whole postseason, and
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  Speaker 4: in particular Game one, those guys were not there and
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  Speaker 4: also there to naj Reid. Michael Conley was overwhelmed as
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  Speaker 4: far as physicality by the Spurs, as far as far
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  Speaker 4: as coming out and off the dribble. He couldn't ball contain.
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  Speaker 4: It was the whole effort by everybody. So this, if
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  Speaker 4: you're the Tea Wolves, you've got to go back and
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  Speaker 4: get early position, defensively, build a wall and as always,
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  Speaker 4: how can I be physical with still sound technique, that's
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  Speaker 4: any sports sean. How can we be physical and still
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  Speaker 4: be able to keep within ourselves our technique base And
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  Speaker 4: that's what it comes down to. And last night the
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  Speaker 4: Tea Wolves, they fell apart both defensively, usually speaking, when
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  Speaker 4: you play a good defense shown in any game, the
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  Speaker 4: ball finds you offensively. When you don't play good defense, ever,
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  Speaker 4: hardly ever finds you at all and less than as
• 17:09
  Speaker 4: a class example.
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: So for Minnesota, even though last night was I mean
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: it was a blowout, you don't ever want to get
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: blown out. You certainly don't want to get blown out
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: in playoff basketball, but you do come away from San
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: Antonio with a split, which is a win of sorts, right,
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: I mean, the home court advantage is not as much
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: of a factor anymore. So how do you compartmentalize? Is
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: it game by game? Is it the first two games,
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: let's try to split these. Now let's go defend home
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: court for the next two How is that handled?
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: See, the mental part is so much part of reason
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: why teams win, So how do you handle it? Is
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: that you've got to have the mentality And jazz basketball
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: and yesteryear we used to always talk about where the underdogs.
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: We are the underdogs, even if you have two zero
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: in that playoff series. Is that we're the underdogs and
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: keep hitting it home. As far as the players where
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: you talk about it is that which means that when
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: you're underdog mentality, you've got to both individually and collectively
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: be ready to play from the start of the jump ball.
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: And that's how you handle it. And last night that
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: the Tea Wolves didn't now flip the switch now, so
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: now tomorrow night in the Twin Cities, it's gonna be
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: the mentality. If I'm coaching the Tea Wolves, I'm saying
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: that we're the underdogs in this game, that we can't
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: take it for granted.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: Where in other.
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: Words, often in playoff games with the home team, you
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: think the home fans are gonna generate enough intensity for you,
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: And the answer is it's not their job. Their job
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: the for fans shown right now is go buy six
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: hot dogs and four beers. That's their job. Their job
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: isn't to help you play defense. And I say this
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: all the time, is that also when the foul line,
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: when you go to the foul line, is that the
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: fans want you to uh want you to miss you're
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: the visiting team, you go to foul line. The fans
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: are screaming in the second half of the game to
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: miss both both free throws so they get free free chicken.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: Sean.
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: I used to tell the guys all the time, forget
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: about getting free chicken. It's their job for the fans
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: to buy free chickens. Your job is to make both
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: foul shots. So Sean, never let somebody let you have
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: free chicken on you. Rudy go beat word three three
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: for nine.
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: Don't don't let a fan base get a free chicken
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: sandwich off you.
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: Sean, I'm exaggerating, I'm kidding you, but I'm not. No,
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: I'm truly I'm not get your own freaking chicken.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: I told the Brian Russell all the time, and I'm
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: making light of it. Yeah, years later I get it.
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: But I said Brian Russell all the time, things like that.
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: See the mental part. As far as get guys ready
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: to play. Brian Russe is guarding Michael Jordan, you know,
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: the greatest player of all time. Get him ready to
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: play mentally, but not over talking and so showing those
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: catch words you use.
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: Gordy, who did you do who did you do the
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: best job of getting the most out of it and
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: getting into the right frame of mind mentally, right, Because
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: I'm sure there's guys that you coached that you didn't
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: have to do much. They were just there, they were ready, right,
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: And I'm sure there were guys that were absolute head cases.
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: But maybe maybe the Gordy chias isms weren't what they needed.
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: Maybe somebody else was better at Who was Gordy the
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: whisperer for Which player or players did you have the
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: best rapport with in that way?
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: Andrea Carolinko, Yeah, Carolinko, he's so hyper. The way he
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: played is that I try to calm down offensively, So,
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: Carol Linko, you think he running and jumped both vertical
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: and horizontally when the best players on an ear in
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: the NBA as far as up in the air and
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: wh moving his feet. Matt Harpring innately aggressive? Sure, innately,
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: Howard Eisley innately not aggressive. You had to coach him up.
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: You get him ready to play mentally to be aggressive
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: in playoff games.
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: Those guys took your your coaching well or even better
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: than most people did.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: I like to think that. Yeah, And they call him alone.
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: He's such a force of nature. Is that you when
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: you talk to call just be normal because he's going
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: to be ready to roll from the beginning. And then
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: John stocked in guys like that, Jeff Horner Sack. Those
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: guys are ready on their own. It didn't matter what
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: anybody said to them. They had enough experience and also
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: enough of talent and willpower. But Sean, it's the other
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: guys that he's like coaching Tom Brady. I imagine all right,
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: where he's ready to play himself. You might validate what
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: he's saying to you. As the coach, you validate what
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: he's saying to you, But you have to get the
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: other guys to be with Tom Brady type people, John
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: Stockton type people, Lebron James type people. How they play
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: the game, to be ready, to be alert, to catch
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: the ball, to play in rhythm and in sync with
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: the star players. It's a skill shown seeing playoff basketball
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: phenomena happens as a player and as an organization. You
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: either get exposure or you get exposed.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: How about in the NFL, well, same thing right absolutely.
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: Greg Popovich reportedly joined the film session for the San
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: Antonio Spurs between Games one and two, And of course
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: you don't have a recording of that. You don't know
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: if Greg Popovich sat there silently or if he was
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: active and you know, rewinding and had the laser pointer
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: and was doing that. But it is such a unique
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: situation there in San Antonio, and his status in NBA
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: coaching circles and obviously with the Spurs is so unique.
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: And it just what do you hear about and what
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: do you think about? You know, something like that, like
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: a Greg Popovich dropping in and imparting his knowledge on
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: these young guys street cred.
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: He's got it. Absolutely, He's still involved as far as
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: decision making. He's the team president. Let's remind everybody. Great
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: coach the San Antoni Spurs for twenty nine seasons. Jerry
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: Sloane coached the Jazz for twenty three, so Greg Pavitch
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: the longest ever as far as coaching tenure. He won
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: one thousand, four twenty two games. He coached Victor wen
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: beyond but in the beginning of his career before he
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: resigned in season all right, Great Popvich won five championships
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: to Spurs in a fifteen year window from nineteen ninety nine.
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: In twenty fourteen. So he has street cred in that
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: film session. And whether he said only five sentences or
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: we said five paragraphs, it's irrelevant, is that when he
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: said to the players about things, what's happening during the game,
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: you might think about this idea about playing defense or
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: going to the offensive glass. The players are absolutely listening
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: because they want to win. In great Popovich, he understands
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: this about playoff basketball. So I have no problem with it.
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: I encourage it.
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: All right, that's the hot lunch brought to you by
• 24:33
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• 24:38
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• 24:39
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• 24:42
  Speaker 3: topped with the mushroom sauce, red potatoes and green beans
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: on the side. Tell them extra green beans for Gordy
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: Chia's sake. Gordy gets to hang out. We got him
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: for another half hour, so and look, we got to
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: get to it. This is the last time we're going
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: to have Gordy on before the upcoming NBA Draft lottery.
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: We know what the Utah Jazz chances look like, we
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: know what the hope is. But we'll drill down on
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: some of that with Gordy plenty left to talk about.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: He's got his list as well.
• 25:10
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• 25:12
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• 25:20
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• 25:23
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• 25:27
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• 25:32
  Speaker 3: All right, we're gonna talk a little NBA Draft lottery
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: with Gordy. But the concurrent with the timing of the
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: draft lottery is also something that does not get the
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: same sort of recognition, the same sort of television time
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: as its counterpart in the NFL circles. But the NBA,
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: the NBA Scouting Combine is obviously a valuable place for
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: player personnel, for teams, for general managers, for coaches to
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: get a sense of how they want to use the
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: draft capital that they get sorted out with the draft lottery.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: So we'll get to all of it.
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: I want to start with the combine though, Gordy, because
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: you know, it is not quite the television event that
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: the NFL is one.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: Is is it less important or just less recognized?
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: You're less recognized, But it's absolutely critical and this year,
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: like unlike the NFL is always in Indianapolis. It's always
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: in Chicago for the NBA, and just simply they invite
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: seventy three players to go there and you have to
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: be there to be algebra the draft. But the only
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: exception being that some personal matter got for bid as
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: far as a death in the family or other tragic things,
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: that's the only exception. So all the guys are going
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: to be drafted, they have to be there and take
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: the physical and that's what makes it so different than
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: yesteryear where some of the guys wouldn't even go there,
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: and that the NBA said enough is enough, so quickly
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: about it. Here's some of the things that they're gonna
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: they're gonna called the measurements where they're gonna test for
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: body fat, weight, hand length, handwidth in inches, height with
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: no shoes, standing, reach, wingspan, and then with that on
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: the court, they'll be vertical jumping both standstill meaning what
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: no step and maximum vertical jump, the shuttle run which
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: means side wits, the quick burst as far as four
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: we agility test, and then the pro lane drill. Then
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: add to that will be multitude of shooting drills. So
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: besides the so it gives an indicator of the metrics
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: from a coaching standpoint, because you coach during the season,
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: you never see these guys play ever live because you're
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: coaching your own team. The scouts and personnel people they
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: see these guys play all the time. So the coaches
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: are the first time they see someone actually be called
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: kick the tires.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: Now, that's all part of it.
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: In the morning sessions, at the night sections, they actually
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: played the game. Some of the top players do not
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: play in the games. They don't, but most of the
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: guys do because hey, I think I'm better than the
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: guy that's going to be the eighth pick of the draft.
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: I'm projected right now at number thirty seven. I'm better
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: in this jump right now, and they want to play
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: in the game to go against them, and it's really
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: eye opening.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: I'm all for it.
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: I've been to it literally for decades, and it tells
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: the story also showing the less part about that interviewing.
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: So a lot of times for the top players, they
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: will go to the team's suite in the hotel, and
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: neither ownership and high management will talk to the player
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: as far as interviewing them, and so it's rather intense
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: and it gives everybody a chance to equal footing.
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: The the agility drills, the physical drills. You got bench press,
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: you've got the three quarter court sprint. Bench Press one
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: is hilarious for me because I know it's to determine
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: upper body strength. Upper body strength is at less of
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: a premium obviously in the NBA as it is in
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: like a contact sport and the numbers.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: In the NFL, guys go and they train specifically for
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: the combine. Right, they've got their football season, They put
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: the football, the bowl game's over, and then they get
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: some coach, they get some personal trainer and they say,
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: all right, now, all I'm gonna do for the next
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: several weeks is increase my bench press, my vertical jump,
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: my broad jump, my short shuttle, my forty yard dash.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: Do NBA prospects do this?
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: No, No, it's a different mentality. You might it's not
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: the same, uh, because they played the game. In other words,
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: they're going to prove themselves as far as some of
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: the really shooting drills, yeah, because that's more it's more
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: skill orientated. But you are you are as far as uh.
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: But also a lot of these kids their season just ended.
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: Literally less than a month ago with some of the
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: top players, meaning in March madness. Sure, and so it's
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: a different mentality.
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: So, by the way, the bench press numbers for NBA
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: players are hilariously bad. Oh yeah, absolutely, And for football
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: players sometimes it's just like, oh my gosh, this guy fifty.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: Reps on of two twenty five.
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: In the NBA they do one to eighty five, right,
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: But yes, it's just it. It's there's debatable if the
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: bench press should even be part of the NFL scouting combine.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: What value does it really have at the NBA One.
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: Very little value. So here's the point about that. When
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: Kevin Durant when he was coming out in the draft,
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: he couldn't bench one eighty five.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: That's crazy, right, And so people.
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: Saying this guy can't even bench one eighty five and
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: used to pick a high draft and Rick Bond said,
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: his coach said at Texas at that time, said guess what, Fellas,
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: I'm positive he can play. Yeah, And he was right.
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: So he's the classic example of Kevin Durant. If you
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: went by only the metrics and the measurement that he
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: was weak physically and that probably he'd be less a
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: player that is absolutely delusional, because Kevin Durant became one
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: of the greatest players of all time, generational talent, and
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: he's heading to the Hall of Fame. In at first ballot.
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: He's gonn finished probably in the top seven scores of
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: all time.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: Gordy Chez is our guest here for another few minutes.
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: So as teams are attending this NBA scouting combine, they're
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: trying to get a sense of who these players are.
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: And we've got a deep draft. Right at the top.
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: We've talked about the players that are being considered for
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: that number one overall pick, kind of one through three,
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: and then there's maybe a slight gap, but then some
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: pretty robust levels of talent from four through eight and
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: even beyond in some people's opinions. But of course we
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: don't know who's picking where until after Sunday, the NBA
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: Draft Lottery taking place on Mother's Day, of course, because
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: that's what.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: Your moms want you doing.
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: Your moms want you staring at your phone and trying
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: to figure out where your your favorite team is picking
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: in the upcoming NBA Draft. What is the I mean,
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: each person has their own mindset, but what is right
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: now the franchise cultural mindset for the Utah Jazz with
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: this draft lottery approaching.
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: Poise under pressure right now where everybody knows that it's
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: based to sewan on the man upstairs, the Holy Grail
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: that he's in the determined about those lottery of balls.
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: As far as what happens, the Jazz ad for some
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: good breaks. Hopefully they really are because they haven't got
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: it in a long time.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: So let's hope that.
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: Did you imagine the Jazz showing for some active of
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: goodness by the Lord, is that they pick number one,
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: meaning AJ and then the world changes dramatically. But with
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: that said, though, there's also other players. Here's the first
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: four guys. You can debate these guys, uh, agent number
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: one by far, I mean that so far, by fall
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: yeah ok, yeah, by fall yeah, very good. That guy
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: I mean de Bancer. He he can score the ball,
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: he can create his own shot, he knows how to play,
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: he tries to play defense, and just generally speaking, he
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: plays hard all the time. Also, by the way, he
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: has knockout talent.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, that helps help.
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: So at the top of the draft, talent does prevail
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: now it here's the great debate Darren Peterson knockdown shoot, unbelievable,
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: got talent, miss eleven games this year, Sewan with uh
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: lake injuries cramps. So, Sean, it sounds so simple. Let's
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: go old school. When you and I have a lake
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: cramp based on training, we do two things. Either drink
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: out of a jaw pickle juice, have more bananas.
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: Eat a banana, have some pickle juice. Right, some electrolytes
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: that can help.
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: You absolutely yeah, So just keep it simple. So that's
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: the problem with Darren Peterson, miss eleven games. Cambusia, tremendous
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: all around player.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: I love his game.
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: He's NBA ready, he can rebound, shoot threes, he passed
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: the ball, knows how to play. Caleb Wilson sean knock
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: out talent. Yikes, this guy can fly. He reminds you
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: so much defensively of Carolinko. Defensively, no worries vertically and horizontally,
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: and he plays like Sean. Kevin Garnett. That's who you
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: play like at age nineteen. Now you got hurted. He
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: broke his wrist back on February fifth, so he didn't
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: play in the ACC tournament. And then then and then
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: his team Got Knocked Out.
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: Show, you get a Kevin Garnett type player, I know,
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: not a clone of Kevin Garnett. You could get a
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: Kevin Garnet type player. I'm going I'm going with that
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: at two, if I've got the opportunity.
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: That's the great debate, Sean, Sean, That's that's where I'm
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: going at That's a debate.
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: Well, because with Darren Peterson, we talked about him all
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: year long, right, Yes, kind of a confusing and and
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: by the way, I have to state because there's always,
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: for me, there's always this assumption that, like what you
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: have been is what you're going to be. So if
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: you're unavailable a bunch in your college career, that might
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: also be the case in your NBA career. That's not
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: necessarily guaranteed. You could get lucky, you could be healthier, right.
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: Steph Curry famously was very unhealthy early in his career
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: and then figured it out later on, And obviously that
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: was to a great benefit for the Golden State Warriors.
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: Looking at Darren Peterson specifically, and we were I was
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: drawing an analogy with what Joelle Embiid is right now, right,
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: nobody debates the ceiling of Darren Peters and everyone's just like,
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: oh my gosh, this kid could.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: Be a world beater.
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: And everyone knows that's true of Joel embi Joel Embiid
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: has played in forty seven or he's missed forty seven
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: percent of his career games.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: He's missing playoff games right now.
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: And if you're holding on to a pick at one,
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: at two, at four, at seven, wherever it is, would
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: you rather have a guy that you project to be
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: maybe a one or two time All Star, but you
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: know he's going to be there, or at least you
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: think you know he's always going to be there, he's
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: always available, Or are you taking the swing and potentially
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: the miss on somebody who's available half of the time.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: It seems like in these sports, our favorite sports.
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: The front office is always chasing that elite talent and
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: willing to take on the risk of, you know what,
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: he might have injury problems. He might be a guy
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: that misses half of his career games, which means I'm
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: wasting half of his contract money and all this like
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: salary cap games that I have to play because of that.
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: I'm just accepting it. I'm putting Gordy Chiasa in charge.
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: Do you want Joel Embiid or do you want Deddy
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: Avdya was the guy that James brought up yesterday like
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: he's gonna be there and maybe he's a borderline all
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: star type player. He's not Joel Embiid, but he's a
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: lot more consistent.
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: Which one?
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: Do you want the guy more consistent?
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: All right?
• 37:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah, because it's a team sport and you can build
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: around him even though talent avails. The guys you mentioned
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: and other guys in this trip, they have talent also,
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: not a question of that the other guy is a
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: talent voided. It's not true, but some players have even
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: more talent. But if you're not dressed up to play
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: in the game, you negate your talent level. And that's
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: why it's so important as far as being what reliable again,
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: I think keep thinking about Yester yea John Stockton and
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: call him alone on Those guys answered the bell always
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: the time, all the time, even when they were hurt.
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: Remember a Calme aloge I told a story about call
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: is that member. So many games didn't play in his
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: career because you're fighting suspended. So it's the most amazing thing.
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: Stockton played in nineteen years seventeen times. He played all
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: eighty two games. Yeah, it's it's unheard of. Well, that's
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: mckel bridges right now of Nicoboxas. Yeah, you have to reckon.
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: He's played right now siven hundred and thirty eight straight games.
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: The kel Bridges of the nicobocas good for you.
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: Especially because it's so at such an outlier in today's
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: ear of NBA basketball. There's a lot of guys who
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: are voluntarily not playing in games. There are plenty of
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: guys who are out of an abundance of caution with
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: injuries not playing games. For Bridges to be I mean,
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: what's the math on that six hundred and eighty something.
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: I mean, that's you're approaching ten seasons of basketball without
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: missing a game.
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: It's pretty awesome, very absolutely, very much. Sean.
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: Let's keep it simple here. You're an athlete, don't you
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: want to play always? I mean, I'm simplifying this narrative.
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, It's one thing that when you're like in team sports,
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: I ended up being at very very very best at
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: the higher levels of a small, small role player, right.
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: And one of the things that was always frustrating to
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: see was guys who you knew were a lot more
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: talented than you, who you knew were bigger, stronger, faster
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: than you, who wouldn't stay healthy, couldn't stay healthy, whatever.
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: Just like man, that talent is wasted on someone who
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: is not making every possible sacrifice to be on the field,
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: to be on the floor. And that's something that in
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: the NBA it feels like, And maybe the pendulum is
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: swinging back a little bit with some of the rules
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: put in place by the league office, but it has
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: felt in more recent years that the culture of the NBA,
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: correct me if I'm wrong. Back in the nineties, John
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: and Carl were great examples of it, but everyone was
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: trying to be that way. Everyone was trying to be
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: that durable and trying to play through everything. In more
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: recent years, the culture of the NBA is protect your money,
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: protect your body, protect protect your longevity, And there was
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: very little attention paid to the team dynamic of that.
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: Is that fair to say?
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: Very much? Well said? The team dynamic is called what chemistry? Sure,
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: I can't explain chemistry until you don't have it in
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: the locker room, and it's absolutely critical in a team sport.
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: So again, it HiT's a crush of Philosophically, we see
• 40:36
  Speaker 4: all the time, how can a player who has had
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: tremendous talent, how can I showcase my own individual talent
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: within the team game. And when I do that, I
• 40:48
  Speaker 4: uplift my teammates and they play better because of my
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: special skills. And more importantly, how I perceive my teammates,
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: my teammates, all my all mats, And that's I want
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: to bring the best out of them because they need
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: some help and I'm gonna I'm gonna assist them to
• 41:07
  Speaker 4: be the best they can. I just ascribed to the
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: ultimate Lebron James. He's the He's the present tense Magic
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: Johnson and Yesteryear, Larry Bird Yesteryear. So Magic is the
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: guy right now that can do it. Nikolai Jokic also
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: is that discussion. We bring the best out of his players.
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: But he needs more, needs more as far as actually
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: more talent. So but Lebron is the guy. Lebron has
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: made Austin Reeves into what a very good player. Do
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: you have a list today, Gordon, yes, my list. Today
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: we talked about the lottery, about players being picked high.
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: The world's gonna change. This list today, Sean. These guys
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: like you and I often are never invited to the party, Sean.
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: So we never got invited to the party.
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: You and I are like d listers, Yeah, very much,
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: especially to myself. All right, So these guys were never
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: invited to the draft party. Undrafted players performing and contributing
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: a valuable role on this year's playoff teams. So I
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: listed fifteen guys that have played in the playoffs in
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: twenty twenty six that were never invited to the draft party.
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: Then I'm gonna list a few guys later on as
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: far as in jazz basketball at number fifteen contribute to
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: the team. Jamal Kine from the Magic, number fourteen from
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: the Cavaliers, Kean Ellis number thirteen from the thunder Kendrick
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: Williams number twelve from the Suns, former jazz man Royce
• 42:40
  Speaker 4: O'Neill from the eleven, number eleven from the Pistons, Dannis
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: Jenkins from the Spurs who scored fourteen points last night.
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: Undrafted Julian Champenny number nine from the Celtics, Sam Hauser
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: number eight, Jose Alvarado from Knickerbockers, number seven from the Pistons,
• 43:01
  Speaker 4: Duncan Robinson never drafted number six, Luke Cornette from the Spurs,
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: never drafted number five from the Cavaliers, Max Schrutz never drafted.
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: Number four, one of the best players in the NBA
• 43:15
  Speaker 4: as far as off the bench from the Thunder. Alex
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: Crusoe never drafted from the Thunder, never drafted number three,
• 43:23
  Speaker 4: Lou Dort number two from the Timberwolves, Nas reed and
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: number one from the from the Lakers Austin Reeves. So
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: think about these teams showing the Thunder have two guys
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: that that once starts, once impactful, never drafted to the party. Quickly,
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: what about Jazz basketball. His five guys are listed all
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: the Jazz fans that were undrafted. Number one Joe Ingles.
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: Joe Jingling. Joe got a little run from the Timberwolves
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: last night.
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: He got that right. He scored seven points. He made
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: he made the three point shots I called the see
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: what a swag?
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: Number two Wesley Matthews Jazz never drafted, Number three, Rajah
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: Bell never drafted, number four, Carl sur Royal never drafted,
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: and David Benwall number five. So all these guys in
• 44:16
  Speaker 4: Jazz basketball played contributions and the other guys you mentioned
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: for it, and then presently most of the guys in
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: the top fifteen in playoff type teams this year all
• 44:26
  Speaker 4: of most of them are alumni of.
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: The G League, of the G League. Well, that's proof
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: of concept.
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: Then the G League is serving the function that it
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: was designed to serve.
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: Also, the coaches Nick Nurse, Chilian alumni from the thunder
• 44:46
  Speaker 4: Mark Donnell alumni, and Chris Finch from the Tee Wolves
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: coach in the G League. So sean three to eight
• 44:53
  Speaker 4: teams in the final eight in the NBA, their coaches
• 44:55
  Speaker 4: were in the G League.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: That's pretty cool. The G League.
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: It's interesting because it I don't watch it, I don't
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: pay attention to who's winning it, but it is producing
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: more of a finished product for the NBA. You just
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: I mean from a coaching and player standpoint, So I
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: assume that means that the investment is worth it.
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: Absolutely sewan very much worth it, especially big guys. Big guys,
• 45:24
  Speaker 4: they need a game experience. You know, doing shooting drills
• 45:28
  Speaker 4: and big man drills and face up drills is commendable
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: and that's important, but you got to get you have
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: to play in competition, get banged around, get thrown to
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: the ground by someone smaller than you. How do you
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: respond to it? And he's all parts of the maturation
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: of it, and so Sewan, So tonight Austin Reeves undrafted
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: is a shooting slump. Just say tonight he goes for
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: thirty one w as he bounces back as far as shooting,
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: Are you kidding me?
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: He played in the G League? Yeah.
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: Remember I didn't mention it at all because he played
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: this year. Freddie van Fleet in the G League, remember
• 46:03
  Speaker 4: the whole the benchmark.
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: We've loved him since Wichita State.
• 46:07
  Speaker 4: Absolutely, and so there's so many guys. Ben Wallace is
• 46:13
  Speaker 4: the only guy in the NBA Hall of Fame that
• 46:17
  Speaker 4: was undrafted. He's in Hall of Fame undrafted Ben Wallace.
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: I wonder who else could get there.
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: The NFL has got several Hall of Famers that were
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: undrafted guys member some names.
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: Who would that be? Kurt Warner?
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: Okay, Kurt Warner undrafted, Warren Moon undrafted, James Harrison undrafted.
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: I like guys.
• 46:38
  Speaker 4: Absolutely, they were not invited Sean to the party. Very
• 46:42
  Speaker 4: similar to you and I.
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: Max Crosby is one of the top defensive players in
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: the league right now. Undrafted guy, I mean, there's in
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: the NFL. It feels like the NFL misses a lot.
• 46:53
  Speaker 4: Jean. In fact, is Max Crosby still with the Raiders?
• 46:56
  Speaker 4: Did that go for now?
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: Okay, the trade with the ras was negated by a
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: weird physical situation, So yeah, he's with the He's with
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: the Raiders still.
• 47:06
  Speaker 4: So show's luding to right now, when you get traded
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: with the NFL the NBA, you've got it past the
• 47:11
  Speaker 4: new team's physical Yeah, and that that gets very interesting, Sean.
• 47:15
  Speaker 4: Where you guy plays for a certain team, he's playing
• 47:19
  Speaker 4: the new team hate something wrong with him.
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: It seems to be that the consensus opinion was that
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: the Ravens kind of had buyer's remorse after executing the trade,
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: and uh, there was no There was no new findings
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: in the physical.
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: It was all information that had been disclosed.
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: The progress on his recovery, according to the Raiders and
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: Max Crosby, was exactly accurate. And then the Ravens set
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: out on never mind, so strange. You don't see it.
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: You don't see a trade of that magneture that magnitude
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: abs It's not negated very often, but this one was strange.
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: Mass of the Jets Sewan. Well, if there's.
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: An example of anything strange happening in the NFL, the
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: Jets are always a good example of it. Gordy of
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: the Man, thanks for stopping in again this week.
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: Appreciate you sing peace out, get your own freaking chicken.
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: That's Gordy Chaz, the absolute best in the business.