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OPPOSITION TERRITORY: New England Patriots · The Philadelphia Sports Table | Philly Sports News & Views

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  Hey, everybody, it's Jeff. We wanted to let you know that we
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  recorded this Opposition Territory podcast on Monday, July thirty first, twenty twenty three.
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  By the time you hear this, things may have changed, but we
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  hope you enjoy the show. All right, folks, welcome to this installment
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  of Opposition Territory here at the Philadelphia Sports Table podcast show, the longest running
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  weekly Philly sports podcast show in the world. That's right over ten years strong.
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  We got a great opposition territory discussion coming your way this week. Cannot
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  wait to get into this specific team because of what's on their team right now,
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  how this team may develop and specifically how they may look within their particular
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  division. And I'm talking about the New England Patriots. It's gonna be interesting
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  to see how things manifest themselves with this Patriots team over this twenty twenty three
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  two twenty four season in the AFC East, a prolific division in the game
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  of professional football. So we got a great discussion, a great guest coming
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  your way. Let's get to it, and it is great to have on
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  the show for the very first time, coming to us from Musketfire dot Com.
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  You know we love our fansided sites here at the PSD podcast show,
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  she writes words over there, lots of words, fantastic words about this new
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  England Patriots team. She has none other than Sarah Marshall. How are you
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  doing, Sarah. I'm good. I'm excited to talk about the Patriots with
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  you today, even though you know this this game is a little bit scary,
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  but I am excited. I gotta tell you though, Like it is
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  an exciting time just in general. I think for all football fans, we've
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  got college football right around the corner of the NFL season is going to be
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  starting as well. Training camp. We're in the thick of that rate now,
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  and I think it's just that time of the year where we know falls
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  around the corner. There's a lot of good stuff happening, and like,
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  I just I just can't believe football is like right around the corner here.
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  That's how I always feel every year when football ends, I'm like, oh,
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  the next you know, months are going to take forever. The off
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  season is so long, and then it sneaks up on you and you're like,
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  wait, where did this come from? But why are we here already?
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  Exactly, folks, you can catch Sarah on the Twitter dot com at
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  s marsh xo. I believe that is your Twitter handle there, And she's
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  also doing some great stuff on YouTube as well. If you are into professional
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  wrestling, I know she's been doing a lot of that recently. She has
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  some new England Patriots content up there as well. Where can they find you
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  on the YouTube dot com there, Sarah, um, you can just search
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  my name Sarah Marshall and it should pop up. Awesome. Sounds good.
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  All right, well, let's get into this new England Patriots team, things
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  that have happened during the offseason, what we can expect possibly from them this
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  coming twenty twenty four season. Let's start off by doing a little reflection here
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  as well, because like last year Patriots, they missed the playoffs for the
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  second time in three years. And you know what, while training camp won't
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  let us know how they're going to end up finishing the division, which we're
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  gonna be getting into during the end of our discussion, I'm wondering what the
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  true pulse of the Patriots fan base currently is at the moment after last season,
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  as you're moving forward, what does this fan base really want to logically
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  see from this team first and foremost this coming season. And why well,
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  if you're active on the Twitter machine, you probably know that Boston fans are
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  all over the place. Okay, so this the answer to this question.
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  It really depends on who you ask and who you talk to. So obviously,
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  you know, when it comes to social media, the majority of people
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  are going to be in an age bracket that grew up in the Tom Brady
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  era, so they have incredible high standards for the Patriots, which isn't horrible,
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  but it also can be you know, make this time period that the
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  Patriots are going through absolutely miserable for them. So, um, you know,
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  there are people that want to get rid of Mac Jones already and they
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  don't understand how he's not the second coming of Tom Brady and why don't we
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  have our own Patrick Mahomes, you know. So there's that section. I
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  don't trees, I know, but apparently you think they do. I guess,
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  I don't know. So if you talk to a fan like me that
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  tries to just be optimistic and enjoy the ride, you know, it's obviously
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  not fun to watch them blues or watch the team struggle. But I feel
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  like it's the process, you know, teams go through this. We were
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  so blessed to have twenty years of success that you know, franchises don't even
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  have the luxury of being able to have tens, you know, it's crazy.
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  So with the additions of like Bill O'Brien Adrian Clem, I'm really excited
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  about them coming into coach the offense and I'm just hoping that the offense looks
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  more cohesive, yeah, and more put together, just to be a competitive
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  football team. Again. I don't know if they're going to have, you
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  know, a playoff run. I'm just hoping for a better team, a
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  more competitive team. A winning record would be great. At this point,
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  I just want to see that they're moving forward, you know what. You're
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  talking about his development here, Sarah, and I think it's interesting. It's
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  kind of a good segue talking about specifically the offense and we look, we
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  all know it's an offensive based, in offensive dominated league, and that weapons
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  are just so incredibly important for offenses to be able to move the ball down
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  the field. I know it sounds simplistic, but that is the name of
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  the game in the NFL these days, and for the New England Patriots.
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  They brought in Juju Smith, Schuster, DeVante Parker. He's a decent player
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  from a wide receiver standpoint. But one of the biggest questions I think for
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  me, and I would think for some within Patriots Nation as well, is
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  whether or not Mac Jones actually has enough weapons to generate consistent offensive momentum game
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  after game this season. So I wanted to kind of get your thoughts first
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  and foremost on that the offensive weapons on this team for Mac Jones, of
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  course he needs to develop, but in terms of specifically these offensive weapons,
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  are you happy with them? And I don't know, is it going to
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  be some growing pains? Do you think in terms of Mac Jones and these
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  weapons getting on the same page. What are your thoughts? Yeah, so
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  it's kind of like a conflicted feeling, I think, And you know,
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  like I was just referencing Boston fans, they all want a number one guy,
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  and of course that makes life so much easier for the team. But
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  throughout Patriots history, there weren't many years, even during the Tom Brady era,
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  that they had a very clear cut wide receiver one. You know,
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  there weren't There wasn't consistent consecutive years really that that Brady had a Randy Moss
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  for a lengthy period of time. So you know, we're not in that
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  era anymore, of a quarterback making a former lacrosse player look like the best
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  receiver on the team. So I'm hoping that it's going to get better.
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  And really I was hoping, you know, looking back at even some other
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  young quarterbacks, mentioning Jalen Hurts, Josh Allen Tua. You know, they
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  didn't look phenomenal in their first two seasons. They weren't bad by any means,
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  but once they got in the league wide receiver one in their third season,
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  they started to just like catapult forward. They just started to break out
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  and became great quarterbacks. And so I was really hoping for that same thing
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  for Mac and it's just not happening right there. Yeah. Yeah, So
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  you know, I'm excited about Mike Asiki because he's going to be coming in
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  as more of a receiver than a tight end, hoping that we get to
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  see Born revert back to the production that we saw from him in twenty twenty
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  one. And Hunter Henry and then of course, you know I even wrote
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  here I would like to see them trade for a wide receiver before the trade
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  deadline, and I was really hoping for Judy, but unfortunately we just saw
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  news about Tim Patrick possibly having an injury. So I'm like, Okay,
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  Judy's off the table, yep ye, But yeah, I would like to
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  see him get somebody. Ideally if in a great, you know scenario,
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  I would love to see that he had somebody, but you know, he's
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  got to have to deal with who he has now. I'm definitely a Mike
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  Kissicki fan. You can see this here. We're on Zoos Sarah and Iron
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  Zoom here. You can see this this Penn State poster rate here. And
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  I've always been a Mike Kisicki fan. I think that with what Bill O'Brien
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  is going to be able to implement in terms of his offensive schemes, we
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  are probably going to see Mike Kissicki and the other tight ends really involved in
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  terms of the scheme. Game by game. We know Bill O'Brien it loves
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  to employ the tight end position, you know, not just from a blocking
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  standpoint, but really catching that ball, trying to get yards down the field
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  as well. And I do want to get into Bill O'Brien as well,
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  but in terms of the development also of what we are expecting to see from
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  mac Jones this year as well, like what is he going to need to
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  do this season for the team to have some success. I mean, last
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  year was a second season. It's no lie he struggled, and it's certainly
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  could be argued that those struggles came down to injuries, came down to coaching
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  coaches that are no longer on this team. Now he does have a new
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  offensive coordinator and Bill O'Brien, as I mentioned, all indications that mac Jones
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  is healthy here. So I'm wondering with Patriots fans, the fan base in
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  general, what does a developing third season look like for mac Jones at this
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  point? Sarah, So, the good thing is comparing the attitude of the
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  team and Max specifically from even just a year ago, even in the spring,
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  massively different. Like night and day. Last year, it was very
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  you could tell they were not on board with the Matt Patricia experiment, which
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  I don't blame them, right right, nobody really was except Rebellichick apparently,
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  And so everyone is embracing the Bill O'Brien experience right now, and so that's
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  good. So we're already going in with like a much more positive attitude.
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  Mac is feeling better, it seems, than he did a year ago,
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  and so I think that the big thing is you want to see him be
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  more comfortable with what he's doing, and whether that's just on game day and
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  practice whatever, you just want to see that he has that confidence that he
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  had as a rookie, because that was something that people were even coming at
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  him for being like why is he so confident? Like he's a little cocky.
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  I'm like, I love it, Like that's what you want. So,
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  you know, his confidence was really stripped from him last year, and
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  so I would like to see that come back. And I think, you
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  know, there's no questions regarding his work ethic or his dedication to improving and
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  learning. Those are things that he's constantly praised for by his teammates and his
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  coaches. So I'm just hoping that they can really come together him, him
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  and Bill O'Brien and just create something just better than what we saw last year.
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  I know that that seems easy and there's not a whole lot of room
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  to get worse, right, right, But yeah, yeah, I can
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  remember certain aspects of this Patriots team watching them last year talking you talk,
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  you brought up you know, Matt Patricia, I mean Patricia and Jones,
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  you know, would they would lead It looked like a punchless offense that you
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  know, had to put together just painstakingly long drives to you know, find
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  the end zone and if there was, there could be no margin for air.
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  Basically, so hypothetically speaking, go back to a few games last year,
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  Mac Jones missed a reid or took a sack, or if the team
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  committed a pre snap penalty or had a run play blow up in the backfield,
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  it would just completely derail the drive. How Mac Jones, whether it's
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  through enhanced coaching with Bill O'Brien, is able to not a lot, not
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  not get to that point where one mistake is going to completely derail a drive,
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  Where is going to be able to get back to the drawing board and
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  say, okay, one mistake is not going to absolutely kill us. I
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  think that's going to be absolutely huge for this team. Yeah, and I
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  think some people don't realize that Patricia wasn't only sort of the unofficial official offensive
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  coordinator, he was also the offensive line coach. So the offense was a
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  complete mess and it was a lot of it was at the hands of Matt
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  Patricia, so all you know, the offensive line was a huge liability last
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  year. I mean, I think that Isaiah Wynn had the most penalties out
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  of any offensive lineman in the league. Trent Brown was right behind him.
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  So you know, if you don't have protection or stability from your offensive line,
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  a quarterback is not going to do well. So couple that with the
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  issues between the relationship of Patricia and Jones there it was just a recipe for
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  a mess. Like yeah, there was just no he was doomed to fail
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  from the beginning. So the Bill O'Brien thing is was a huge, huge
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  move and ag and Clem too. It's really cool to see him back because
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  he is a Patriot, was a former Patriot, so he's already familiar and
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  so that's really exciting to see how that's all going to come together. It's
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  very interesting to note too, if mac Jones does rebound in Bill O'Brien's offense,
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  Folks, New England has the means to bolster his supporting cast next year.
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  They're gonna have over one hundred million dollars in available cap space next offseason,
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  so let's keep that in the back of our minds as we're moving forward
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  here. But moving on, I want to talk really about the defensive side
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  of things with you, Sarah, because you know, losing Devin mccorty absolutely
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  hurts the Patriots. I mean, I've heard some back and forth on this.
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  Nobody's going to convince me that it doesn't hurt this team. It stings
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  for the fan base and especially for a locker room that really relied on his
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  leadership. And I do wonder if there's somebody on this team who can replace
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  Devin mccorty from a pure leadership standpoint, not necessarily what he was able to
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  do on the field, but that leadership is going to be sorely missed this
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  coming season. What are your thoughts and do you have any ideas about who
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  that player could possibly be moving forward? Who's gonna step up? Do you
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  think? So? I have three? Oh, all right, let's get
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  him do it. Yes. So we are fortunate that we didn't lose Matthew
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  Slater the same year that we lost Devin mccordy, so we still have that
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  one. You know, classic Patriot Way type of guy. They're a huge
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  locker room leader. Like, if you ever watch any of the videos of
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  the Patriots after they win a game, he is leading everything in the locker
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  room. So I'm glad that he's there, and he could kind of maybe
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  like mentor a groom the next guy to take over. So my three,
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  I would say, or Matthew Judeon. He said recently that he would love
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  to retire a Patriot, and so you know, he's already taken on the
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  leadership role. He's talked about mentoring even young linebackers, so he's already developing
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  into the type of guy, the type of leader that the Patriots love,
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  so I could see him being one. I also have Kyle Dugger, so
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  he's playing on a CA shots here, but oh my gosh, I'm a
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  huge Kyle Dugger fan. And he's already become a captain of the defense.
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  I believe it was last year he was the only one that had the headset
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  in his helmet, So that is a huge sign because it was only his
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  third year and he's already already at that level. And I would say Juan
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  Bentley, So three defensive guys. He's already making an impression. He started
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  off training camp by having like a team huddle where he gave an impassioned speech
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  and it apparently resonated with his teammates because they were all talking about it when
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  they spoke to the media. So I definitely think it's going to continue being
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  a defensive guy. But I think that, yeah, they're they're fortunate that
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  they have a few options there and people that are really that would would have
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  been guys that could have led even during the Brady era with mccordy, So
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  I think that it's going to be an easier transition, even though it is
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  a huge loss. There are some good options there, thankfully. Yeah,
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  there have been there have been so many leaders over the past few years that
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  have left this Patriots team. I mean, what you know, us on
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  the outside world of Patriots Nation, we think what we will of Tom Brady,
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  but he was the leader of the team. I mean, he was
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  one of the greatest to have ever played the game of football. He was
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  that leader for sure. Now Devin mccordy as well. You know, some
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  other gentlemen have left as well in free agency. But to see who actually
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  does step up and take that role, it's going to be absolutely fascinating to
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  watch that for sure, And how that relates to this team playing within the
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  AFC East in that particular divisional structure, because we know the AFC East as
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  is stacked. The conference itself is absolutely stacked as well. Again, it's
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  going to be fascinating to watch this division. Of course, there's the Buffalo
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  Bills. They have certainly been a prolific team over the past few years.
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  Aaron Rodgers now with what looks like to be a developing Jets team, I'm
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  sure Patriots Nation is getting tired of hearing about how Aaron Rodgers is now.
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  Oh he's in the AFC East, Let's watch out for Patriots fans are tired
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  of that at this point, at least on paper, the Jets do seem
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  like they are developing in Miami. They're certainly looking to compete as well.
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  So, Sarah, I'm wondering, like, how how logically competitive do you
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  think that the Patriots are going to be in this AFC East division this coming
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  season? So I want to look back at last season really quick. Yeah.
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  Absolutely. Obviously, when you see a losing record, you kind of
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  just blow off the team. You you don't look at it. I'm one
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  of those people that is like a record is everything, obviously, because if
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  you have a losing record, you're you're not gonna go to the playoffs probably,
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  But if you have a killer record, you know you're a super Bowl
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  favorite. But I really think that you need to look into those wins and
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  losses and see why they want or why they lost, because that can tell
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  you a lot more about how a team is performing than their record can.
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  And with the Patriots, it's easy to be like, Okay, they had
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  a losing record, they played terribly, but they were actually a little bit
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  more competitive than what their record tells you. So of course they were struggling,
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  but there was a handful of game games were they lost by silly mistakes
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  at the end of a game, like I don't want to get into it,
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  but the Raiders game, as heartbreaking as that was, you know,
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  that was the last second, the most miserable thing that ever could have put
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  like my worst nightmare come to light. Right, Yes, But then there
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  was also Romandre Stevenson fumbled on the Cincinnati five yard line with fifty five seconds
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  left in the game. So that was a game they could have won,
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  and they were just closer to winning games than a lot of people realize.
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  I think so coming into this season, obviously, the AFC East is a
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  lot more difficult than it has been for quite some time when the Patriots just
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  dominated it. But even though that's happening, the Patriots are a better team
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  than they were last year too. Obviously, they didn't add a guy like
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  Aaron Rodgers or you know, somebody at that caliber, so they're going to
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  be overlooked. But the good thing is, even though the Patriots have kind
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  of fallen down in the division, they haven't really been dominated by any of
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  the AFC East teams, with the exception of that Bills. Yeah, playoff
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  game another one that I don't want to get into right because that was that's
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  a rough one too. It still hurts, yes, um, but you
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  know so, like, of course I'm concerned about that, but I think
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  they've handled themselves pretty well. So as far as the AFC East goes.
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  I'm not one of those people that think, you know, the sky is
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  falling that Aaron Rodgers and the Jets are going to come stomping through to the
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  super Bowl. I don't say that, um, but the AFC, Yeah,
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  it's it's going to be interesting. I It's it's crazy to see the
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  shift because for a couple of years it was the NFC. Now we're back
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  to the AFC. So for the division, do I think they're gonna win?
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  No, But I also don't think that they're going to be last,
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  which a lot of people are already saying that they're going to be fourth.
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  I don't. I don't see that happening any given Sunday, folks. Anything
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  can happen in this league. Injuries can derail team season. You never know
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  what can happen. It's going to be interesting to watch for sure. And
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  again, folks, we are talking to Sarah Marshall from Musketfire dot com over
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  at Fansided. You can follow her on the Twitter dot com at s marsh
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  exo. She is a great great follow and check her out on her YouTube
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  channel as well. Just search out Sarah Marshall on YouTube. So we're gonna
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  get into a segment that we have been enjoying doing recently here on our Opposition
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  Territory pod, the Standout and Stepped on segment. So first and foremost,
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  we're gonna we're gonna start with the standouts here. So if you can,
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  Sarah, please give me two players that you think are going to be a
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  standout this coming season on the Patriots roster. Who are those two individuals and
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  why? So I think the easiest one to pick, you know, I
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  think anyone would say this where Mondre Stevenson. There you go. Yeah,
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  big fan of Vermondre, and this is possibly going to be other than his
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  you know, last season was a breakout season, but now it's all on
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  him this year. We'd lost Damien Harris in free agency, James Robinson came
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  in and spent a day or two, got a beer in Boston, and
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  then was shipped out, So it's all on Ramondre now. So I think
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  that we're going to see him break out. I think, you know,
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  he was the first running back since le Garrett Blunt I think in twenty eighteen
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  to have hit a thousand yards on the ground last year, so I think
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  we're just going to see more of that. He got heavily involved into the
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  passing game last season as well, so I think we're gonna see that more
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  too, because Jones has a comfort level with him as well. And on
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  the defensive side, I'm a big fan of Jabrill Peppers. I was so
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  excited when they signed him in free agency, and I think he's kind of
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  an under the radar type of guy. And if you look at a stats
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  room last year, you're not going to be blown away. You're not going
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  to be impressed necessarily. But he's a hard hitter, he's been great on
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  special teams. He had a few like great moments last year, and Belichick
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  has already raved about him coming into this season, like and he's not the
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  type of coach that does that often. So if he's raving about you and
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  talk about how great you are and how great your off season to spend,
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  then all right, you got to expect something magical to happen, because Belichick
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  is not one to do that. He didn't even do it with Tom Brady,
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  right, Yeah, so I think that he's going to be a sneaky
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  good guy on the defense this year. Okay, all right, now,
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  if you can give me two players you think are gonna get stepped on throughout
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  the course of the coming season, who are those players? And why this
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  is more difficult because I am an optimist st at heart Curry football. Yeah,
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  so I try not to see the negative. But if I had to
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  choose, the easiest one on the defense is going to be Miles Bryant,
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  and I hate to do it because people pile on him a lot and I
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  feel bad for the guy. But the quarterbacks are stepping up. We got
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  Christen Gonzales in the draft. We have Jonathan Jones playing on the outside again,
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  Marcus Jones, Jack Jones, we have all the Joneses ye in the
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  backfield. So I think that Miles Bryant is going to kind of fall to
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  the side. And of course he did have some big slip ups last year
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  that were detrimental to the defense doing bad things, So I think that is
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  going to be a problem. And if I have to choose on offense,
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  it pains me to say, but I am a little bit concerned with Trent
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  Brown. He was one of the biggest issues on the offensive line last year,
• 23:17
  along with Isaiah Wynn, who is now a dolphin, And there was
• 23:21
  some sort of weirdness going on with Trent Brown. To start mini camp,
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  he didn't show up. It was said that because his flight was canceled with
• 23:27
  any never showed up. So I have no idea what's going on with him.
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  He apparently looks great, but we need him to be like fully focused
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  and checked into what the Patriots are doing and if that isn't the case,
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  and I think we might have a season that looks very similar to how we
• 23:45
  performed last year, which we can't have that happen because we need the protection
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  on Mac Jones absolutely, absolutely again, folks. Sarah Marshall from Musketfire dot
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  Com. Sarah, it was great talking to you for the first time here
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  talking about this new England Patriots team, what's going to happen the AFC East
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  Division, just as well as his team overall. I would love to have
• 24:04
  you on the show again. Come back and join us down the road,
• 24:07
  my friend. Thank you so much for having me. I'd love to to
• 24:08
  come back. There was great talking to Sarah for the first time. Really
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  enjoyed the conversation. And I think that general vibe is that, you know,
• 24:18
  where Mac Jones goes from an offensive perspective in terms of his development,
• 24:22
  is where this Patriots offense certainly is going to go. I know it may
• 24:26
  sound like common sense, but yes, he's got to get the ball to
• 24:29
  the weapons that they do have down the field. You know, I'm not
• 24:33
  sure that three yard outs or five yard outs are really going to be cutting
• 24:36
  it in terms of trying to sustain long drives. As I mentioned during our
• 24:41
  discussion, we saw last year one little hiccup on a drive and it would
• 24:45
  completely derail everything. Mac Jones needs to develop more from a mental standpoint in
• 24:51
  order to get his team into a good offensive position throughout this coming season.
• 24:55
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• 25:26
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• 25:30
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• 25:32
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• 25:37
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