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Spoiled Saturdays: Fear Street · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and Malcomy stuff. I
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Speaker 1: never told you protection of I High Radio and it's
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Speaker 1: time for another edition of a Spoiled Saturday's. Today we
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Speaker 1: are going to be talking about the Fear Street trilogy,
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Speaker 1: which is on Netflix. So if you don't want to
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Speaker 1: be spoiled, then I suggest that you go and watch
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Speaker 1: them and come back. I I had the pleasure of
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Speaker 1: rewatching them yesterday for work. So it's funny to be
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Speaker 1: because when these movies came out, people kept telling me
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Speaker 1: you have to watch them, you have to watch them,
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Speaker 1: you love them, and I was like, yeah, yeah, I'll
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Speaker 1: get to them eventually, and when I did, I did
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Speaker 1: love them. And then I sort of like spread it
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Speaker 1: to other people hole and I kept telling my friends like,
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Speaker 1: if you start, if you watch the first one, we're
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Speaker 1: gonna be up all night because you're gonna watch the
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Speaker 1: second one, and then you're gonna wanna watch the third one.
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Speaker 1: And they also, no, no no, no, I'll be get watching
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Speaker 1: the first one. And then three AM rolls around and
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Speaker 1: they're like, oh, that's watching. How did you discover them?
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Speaker 1: What was your first experience? Like, so, yeah, when I
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Speaker 1: first watched it, I didn't know what I was getting into.
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Speaker 1: I loved the Fear Street series that was originally released
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Speaker 1: in the nineties, I believe by R. L Stein, completely different. Obviously,
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Speaker 1: this is a whole different take, so I don't quite remember.
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Speaker 1: I do remember the sisters in the book, and I
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Speaker 1: remember the traveling back and forth. If you remember the
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Speaker 1: Fear Street any of our el Stein's books like that,
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Speaker 1: first and foremost, it was very sexual. For a teenager
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Speaker 1: reading these books, they were really sexual, and I was like,
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Speaker 1: holy crap, yes, as a repressed team, give me this.
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Speaker 1: So I feel like they held to that one pretty closely.
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Speaker 1: Outside of that um, I was excited to see that
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Speaker 1: I was radiant are or at least mature because for me,
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Speaker 1: obviously again this was a teen series. But you really
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Speaker 1: can't get to the essence of the book without all
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Speaker 1: of that violence, because you do read the violence in
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Speaker 1: the book and you're like, what is happening and you're
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Speaker 1: gripped by it. So love, Love, love the book. Really
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Speaker 1: excited that they took this point and made it different,
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Speaker 1: but they still had the Fear Street Fear sisters. I
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Speaker 1: think there's only one in this one, but in the
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Speaker 1: original is the fear f I E R and talking
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Speaker 1: about how that went on the good the name good
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Speaker 1: also happens. I don't think in the book, and this
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Speaker 1: is how long haspen there was anything about Sunnyville or
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Speaker 1: Shady Side, So that's new to me. Maybe tell me
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Speaker 1: if I'm wrong. I feel like it was a whole
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Speaker 1: like back of forth with the family, but not necessarily
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Speaker 1: with like community. But I could be wrong. It could
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Speaker 1: be just something I slipped from my mind. But yeah,
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Speaker 1: watching the series delighted, love to take it, had love
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Speaker 1: the flashbags, love all that. Yeah, they're really really fun.
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Speaker 1: I grew up reading goose Bumps. I will tell you
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Speaker 1: that used to scare me so badly that I really
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Speaker 1: don't remember them. Like my mind was like, nope, one
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Speaker 1: alien dude, he was a bug. My. The one that
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Speaker 1: really terrified me was the one where the kid got
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Speaker 1: trapped in the mirror. He got trapped in the mirror
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Speaker 1: world and there was because you know, I doppelgangers freaked
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Speaker 1: me out, so like the doppelganger was living his life
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Speaker 1: and he could only see from the mirror. Oh, listeners,
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Speaker 1: if you have a favorite goose Bumps, please know just
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Speaker 1: remember the teacher that turns into a bug alien. That's
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Speaker 1: the one I remember. Goose Bumps was not up my ally,
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Speaker 1: but yeah, I just remember that one buggle. Look what's
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Speaker 1: the hell? Yeah, we had we had all of them,
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Speaker 1: and we had like a little bookshelf and it just
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Speaker 1: had all the goose bumps and I would stay up
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Speaker 1: and I wouldn't be able to sleep because they scared
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Speaker 1: me so badly. Uh well, speaking of before we get
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Speaker 1: into this. As always, as has made clear in recent episodes,
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Speaker 1: if we ever recommend a movie, please do your own
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Speaker 1: research first, really get mad. These are can't be slasher movies, um,
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Speaker 1: and they can't get pretty graphic. UM. So just be
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Speaker 1: aware before you gone this journey, if you haven't gone
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Speaker 1: on it already. UM. So we're going to run through
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Speaker 1: the plot first and then we're gonna break down some
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Speaker 1: of the themes as we usually do so. The Fear
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Speaker 1: Street Trilogy is an American horror series based on the
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Speaker 1: or Elstein books, directed by Lee Janiak, who also co
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Speaker 1: wrote the scripts. Um. They were released in July and
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Speaker 1: at We're pretty positively received. The movie star Keiana Madaria
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Speaker 1: as Dina, Olivia Scott Welch as Sam Benjamin Flores Junior
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Speaker 1: as Josh, Julia Redwall as Kate fred Hestinger, Simon Ashley
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Speaker 1: Zuckerman Asn't It Good? And yes, I put that last
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Speaker 1: name in there for a reason, Danielle Britt Gibson as
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Speaker 1: Martin Gillian Jacobs, I believe that's how she pronounces it.
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Speaker 1: And Sadie Sink as see Ziggie Berman, and Maya Hawk
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Speaker 1: as Heather. And that's just a few, because this is
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Speaker 1: three movies spanning across multiple decades and centuries. So yes, um,
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Speaker 1: they follow a group of teenagers in the cursed town
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Speaker 1: of Shady Side, and this is a curse that has
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Speaker 1: existed for hundreds of years. The films trace the curse
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Speaker 1: backwards as the group searches for the source of it,
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Speaker 1: with the third act of the third movie bringing the
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Speaker 1: viewer back to modern day to confront the curse. So
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Speaker 1: that's why when I was telling my friends, like, once
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Speaker 1: we start, you're not gonna want to stop because you start,
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Speaker 1: And then the first one ends with like, but if
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Speaker 1: we go back, maybe we'll learn more. And then if
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Speaker 1: we go back and maybe we'll learn more. It's kind
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Speaker 1: of like a mystery, like like, oh, I gotta get
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Speaker 1: to the bottom of what's going on here. So let's
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Speaker 1: start with part one, which takes place in and let
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Speaker 1: me just say, oh, the nineties, the nineties, the music,
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Speaker 1: the technology. It makes me every time I watch it,
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Speaker 1: I'm like, oh yeah, these songs I remember, Oh yeah, this,
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Speaker 1: these technologies, I remember. Oh, the old Internet message boards,
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Speaker 1: all of that stuff. So the first one opens with
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Speaker 1: a teenager murdered by her friend Ryan in Shady Side Mall,
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Speaker 1: which is this is filmed in Georgia, and it's the
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Speaker 1: same place they film ship Stranger things. So if you
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Speaker 1: saw that, mom, we're like, huh, it looks familiar. It's
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Speaker 1: because it was filmed in the same place. I have
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Speaker 1: been there. You have been there, the very cheap movie matinees. Yes,
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Speaker 1: several others are killed before the murderer is shot and
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Speaker 1: killed himself by Sheriff Nick Good. And then these kinds
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Speaker 1: of treats this whole thing like shady ciders suck. They
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Speaker 1: deserve it as has happened before. Um It's shady Side
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Speaker 1: is called murder Capital of the US. UM. They are
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Speaker 1: often negatively compared to the neighboring town Sunny Veil, which
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Speaker 1: is just doing so well. Thanks for asking and is
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Speaker 1: often referred to as one of the safest and wealthiest
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Speaker 1: places to live in the country. The local legend is
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Speaker 1: that a witch executed in sixteen sixty six named Sarah
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Speaker 1: here and yes that's f i e Er, is to
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Speaker 1: blame for the curse on Shady Side and the resulting
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Speaker 1: murders that have happened there. Teenager Dina does not believe
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Speaker 1: in the legend and just sort of thinks Shady Side sucks,
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Speaker 1: like it's just a bad place to be. She recently
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Speaker 1: broke up with her girlfriend Sam, who is now dating
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Speaker 1: a boy from Sunny Vale. Her brother Josh, meanwhile, not
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Speaker 1: only believes the legend but spends a lot of time
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Speaker 1: online researching it. Dina's friends Simon and Kate are trying
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Speaker 1: to raise enough money to get out of Shady Side
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Speaker 1: by selling drugs. Yeah, and then a fight breaks out
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Speaker 1: between Shady Ciders and Sunny Veilers out of visual for
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Speaker 1: the victims of the murder. Obviously, this happens a lot.
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Speaker 1: Sam's boyfriend Peter telgates a bus a full of Shady
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Speaker 1: Ciders and Dina, angry as Sam for the breakup at
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Speaker 1: the fact that she is a Sunny Vealer now prepared
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Speaker 1: to throw a cooler out the back of the bus
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Speaker 1: at the car, but gets a nosebleed and stops uh
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Speaker 1: And though the cooler still falls out and hits the car,
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Speaker 1: our car crashes and Sam sees a vision of Sarah
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Speaker 1: Fear before she's hospitalized. After seeing a handful of creepy
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Speaker 1: figures that night, Dina and the gang start to suspect
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Speaker 1: that they're being stalked by sunny valors, Peter specifically because
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Speaker 1: he's a dick. They go to confront him at the hospital,
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Speaker 1: but one of the stalkers kills Peter oh No and
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Speaker 1: several others at the hospital, and it is gruesome. They
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Speaker 1: managed to unmask him. It turns out it's Ryan the
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Speaker 1: Dead Ryan Uh. Samondna try to tell the police what's
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Speaker 1: going on, but with no success, and Simon is attacked
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Speaker 1: by Ruby Lane, who went on a murdering spree in
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Speaker 1: the Shady Side in nineteen sixtive. Also Dead, Also Dead. Yes,
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Speaker 1: this is when you have one of my favorite scenes
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Speaker 1: in the movie where it's like the kind of research
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Speaker 1: montage and Josh is like ruby Lane six, like he's
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Speaker 1: done all these articles. I love those scenes in Horror movies.
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Speaker 1: The crew realizes that Sam's car crash disturbed Sarah Fear's
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Speaker 1: bones and that Sam, bleeding on them, somehow resurrected several
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Speaker 1: of Shady Side's previous killers. Um. They tried to put
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Speaker 1: her spirit to rest by giving her by giving her
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Speaker 1: a proper burial, but the Camp night Wing killer, who's
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Speaker 1: killer from ninety eight in Shady Side, attacks him before
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Speaker 1: they can't succeed. They also realized that these killers are
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Speaker 1: only after Sam and that her blood attracts them, so
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Speaker 1: they try to trick the killers and burn them using
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Speaker 1: Sam's blood, but burning them doesn't stop them to kind
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Speaker 1: of just resurrect. Despite Dina's protest, the group, including Sam,
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Speaker 1: decides that Sam has to be sacrificed, but they changed
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Speaker 1: their minds when they learned that see Burman, the Camp
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Speaker 1: Nightwing survivor, died and was resuscitated, so they then try
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Speaker 1: to contact see Burman but are unable to reach her,
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Speaker 1: so they come up with a plan to use drugs
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Speaker 1: to temporarily kill Sam and then bring her back to life. Josh, Simon,
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Speaker 1: and Kate try to keep the killers at bay, but
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Speaker 1: Simon and Kate are killed in the process, with Sam's permission,
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Speaker 1: Dina drowned Sam, causing the killers to vanish, and then
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Speaker 1: revives her and then the police of course, pinning the
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Speaker 1: blame on the Simon and Kate since they sold drugs
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Speaker 1: those bad kids. The Surviving Crew pushes back on that story.
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Speaker 1: Sam and Dina make up and come out publicly as
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Speaker 1: a couple, which was a big part of why they
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Speaker 1: broke up. Uh, seems like everything is going to be
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Speaker 1: just fine until Dina gets a call from see Burman
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Speaker 1: telling her there's no escape from the witch. Sam, now possessed,
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Speaker 1: attacks Na until Dina manages to subdue her and tie
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Speaker 1: her up with the phone court I believe, right, yeah,
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Speaker 1: with you know our old landline phones that we used
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Speaker 1: in the nineties. Um. But so yeah, this is how
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Speaker 1: the first part is. So you're like, oh my god,
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Speaker 1: watch this second one that brings us to part two,
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Speaker 1: which is Fear Street nineteen eight. And this this one
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Speaker 1: focuses on the massacre at Camp night Wing in Dina
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Speaker 1: and Josh with a restrained Sam, find See Burman and
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Speaker 1: asked her to tell them what happened there, and she
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Speaker 1: reluctantly agrees. And it's sort of the rest of the
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Speaker 1: Most of the rest of the film cuts to flashback
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Speaker 1: of the story. So, after being accused of stealing by
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Speaker 1: Sunny Veilors at Camp Nightwing, Shady Cider and outcast Ziggy
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Speaker 1: Berman is accused of witchcraft. The Sunny Veilors hanger up
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Speaker 1: at a tree and burn her arm before some camp counselors,
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Speaker 1: one of them Nick Good, intervened. Meanwhile, her sister Cindy,
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Speaker 1: who was determined that if she is close to perfect
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Speaker 1: as she can get, she can escape shady size reputation,
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Speaker 1: and Cindy's boyfriend Tommy by Nurse Lane. What um Ruby
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Speaker 1: Lane's mother one of these only allies. Very kind, kind
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Speaker 1: of odd, as they put it. The police take Nurse
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Speaker 1: Lane into custody and a sunny bailer's blame the curse
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Speaker 1: of believing that the witch possessed. Nurse Lane and her
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Speaker 1: daughter Cindy and Tommy check out the infirmary and run
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Speaker 1: into a former friend of Cindy's named Alice and her
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Speaker 1: boyfriend Arnie. Uh. I believe it is Alice the one
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Speaker 1: have you ever seen? Dr Sleep? I have? Is that
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Speaker 1: her in there? I can't remember, but I will tell you.
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Speaker 1: When I was watching it yesterday I was like, Oh,
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Speaker 1: I've seen her and something before I took her anyway,
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Speaker 1: keep going, which would put her in two big horror
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Speaker 1: franchises with big author names. That's interesting. Um. They find
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Speaker 1: a map to Sarah Fear's house and Nurse Lane's diary
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Speaker 1: where she claims that Sarah Fear made a deal with
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Speaker 1: the Devil for eternal life by cutting off her hand
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Speaker 1: on Satan's stone. Uh. They investigate the house and discover
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Speaker 1: empty graves dug by Nurse Lane and a witchest mark.
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Speaker 1: Under the house, Alice and Cindy find a wall engraved
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Speaker 1: or the names of all the past Shady Side killers
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Speaker 1: and Tommy's name, and then it possessed. Tommy kills Arnie
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Speaker 1: and attempts to Cindy and Alice, but they are able
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Speaker 1: to lose him. In the caves under the house, they
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Speaker 1: find a pile of organs that seemed to be alive.
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Speaker 1: It is really grows and grotesque, and after Alice touches them,
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Speaker 1: she sees visions of past killers and victims. Alice harsel
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Speaker 1: legan and she and Cindy makeup and worked together to
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Speaker 1: find a potential exit under the camp's outhouse. Yes, and
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Speaker 1: as all of this is going on a Ziggy and
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Speaker 1: Nick play a prank on the Sunny Vailers, who accused
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Speaker 1: Diggy of witchcraft in the beginning, and the two grow
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Speaker 1: closer and eventually kiss. Tommy kills several campers and a counselor,
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Speaker 1: and Ziggy and another counselor trying to rescue Cindy and
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Speaker 1: Alice from the outhouse, but Tommy kills the counselor and
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Speaker 1: forces Ziggy to flee. Her and Nick hide from Tommy,
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Speaker 1: but they are discovered and Tommy injures Nick. Zicky is
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Speaker 1: attacked by Tommy, but Cindy arrives and kills him. And
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Speaker 1: this is after Alice was like could you ever kill him?
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Speaker 1: And Cindy was like, no, never um. Alice tells the
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Speaker 1: group she found the witch's hands buried near Satan's Stone.
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Speaker 1: They decide to reunite the witch's hand and her body
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Speaker 1: and the hopes that it will end the curse. Ziggy
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Speaker 1: gets some blood on the hand and has a vision
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Speaker 1: of Sarah Fere which resurrects all of the Shady Side Killers. Tommy,
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Speaker 1: now reanimated, kills Alice before Cindy decapitates him. The killers
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Speaker 1: chase Ziggy and Cindy to the tree where Sarah Fear
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Speaker 1: was hanged, digging around the tree in search of her body. However,
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Speaker 1: all they find is a rock that says the Witch
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Speaker 1: Forever lives. Cindy sacrifices herself after realizing the killers are
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Speaker 1: only after Ziggy, but they are both killed, causing the
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Speaker 1: killers to disappear. But Nick arrives and uses CPR to
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Speaker 1: revive Ziggy or her real name, Christine Berman. When she
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Speaker 1: finishes the story, the teenagers tell her they found the
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Speaker 1: body and could end the curse by reuniting the witch
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Speaker 1: with her hand. They go to the mall, which was
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Speaker 1: built on where Camp night Wing used to be, and
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Speaker 1: dug up the hand from the under from the under
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Speaker 1: the still standing tree, which seems kind of odd. They
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Speaker 1: go back to the body and reunited with the hand,
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Speaker 1: causing Dina's knows to bleed and for her to have
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Speaker 1: a vision from sixteen sixty six where she is now
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Speaker 1: Sarah Fear. Yep, and that's where Part two ins. So
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Speaker 1: you're like, oh, well, I guess I gotta continue. Yes,
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Speaker 1: So this brings us to part three, which is uh
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Speaker 1: sixteen sixty six slash two, but it is set primarily
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Speaker 1: in sixteen sixty six. The interesting thing about this is
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Speaker 1: the actors are kind of reprising their roles as these
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Speaker 1: characters from sixteen sixty six, Like, it's not actually Dina
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Speaker 1: and Sarah Fear, but the actress who plays Dina play
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Speaker 1: Sarah Fear from her perspective. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Um. Sarah
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Speaker 1: lives with her brother and father and Union, the land
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Speaker 1: that would later be split into Shady Side and Sunny Vale.
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Speaker 1: Sarah and her friends Hannah, which is the same actress
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Speaker 1: who plays Sam and Lizzie, meet up with a reclusive
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Speaker 1: widow in order to get berries for an upcoming party.
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Speaker 1: It's very heavily implied that those berries are psychedelic in
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Speaker 1: some nature, and Sarah finds a book of black magic.
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Speaker 1: Later at the party, a man named Caleb harasses Sarah
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Speaker 1: and Hannah, and they leave thinking they are alone, and
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Speaker 1: they have an intimate moment together, but they are witnessed
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Speaker 1: by Matt Thomas. The following day, the preacher, who is
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Speaker 1: Hannah's father, begins to exhibit strange behavior, and the town
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Speaker 1: supplies of food and water are poisoned. Everyone's on edge,
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Speaker 1: and Sarah wonders to her friend Solomon good if all
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Speaker 1: the bad things happening in the town are her fault.
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Speaker 1: So the pastor murders twelve children, which is gruesome by
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Speaker 1: the way, including Sarah's brother, and attacks Sarah before Solomon
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Speaker 1: kills him. The town has a meeting and concludes witchcraft
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Speaker 1: must to blame, and Caleb claims Sarah and Hannah as
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Speaker 1: the witches behind the whole thing. No bitterness there uh.
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Speaker 1: Sarah manages to escape, but the townspeople capture Hannah and
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Speaker 1: plan to execute her in the morning. Um Sarah sneaks
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Speaker 1: in to see Hannah and the two firm their love
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Speaker 1: for each other. To save Hannah, Sarah goes to Widows
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Speaker 1: to the widow's house to retrieve the Book of black Magic.
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Speaker 1: She says she's willing to make this deal with it,
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Speaker 1: but devil but discovers the widow murdered and the book gone.
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Speaker 1: She has the Solomon's house and hides because the towns
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Speaker 1: people show up looking for her. There, she finds a
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Speaker 1: tunnel under the house that leads to evidence of a
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Speaker 1: ritual and the widows book. Dum dumb uh. Solomon confesses
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Speaker 1: he stole the book to perform a ritual allowing for
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Speaker 1: the pastor to be possessed in exchange for wealth and power,
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Speaker 1: which he offers to share with Sarah so nice uh.
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Speaker 1: She refuses and he attacks her and she loses her
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Speaker 1: hand in the fight. Solomon in the towns people capture
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Speaker 1: her in a desperate attempt to save Hannah because he
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Speaker 1: Solomon has now said, blamed her and excusing her for
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Speaker 1: the being a witch. Sarah declares that she is the witch.
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Speaker 1: Um Hannah is spared, and before she dies, Sarah swears
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Speaker 1: vengeance on Solomon. Hannah and the others returned later to
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Speaker 1: properly bury her body away from the tree. Away from
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Speaker 1: the tree, and then we come back to Diana tells
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Speaker 1: the others that the Goods are the ones behind the
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Speaker 1: Shady Side Curse, the firstborn of every generation, continuing the
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Speaker 1: rituals started by Solomon, which is also why Sunny felt prospers.
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Speaker 1: Dina and Josh are discovered by Nick Good, but get away.
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Speaker 1: They along with Ziggy, decided that they have to kill
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Speaker 1: Nick in the curse. They lowered Nick to the mall,
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Speaker 1: battle it out with the Shady Side Killers and tricked
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Speaker 1: them into acking Nick about marking him with Dina's blood.
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Speaker 1: Lots of blood He manages to escape into the tunnels,
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Speaker 1: but Dina and still possesses Siam, pursue him. Sam attacks
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Speaker 1: Dina but snaps enough out of the possession for Dina
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Speaker 1: to get away. She confronts Nick and they fight. Nick
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Speaker 1: almost kills Dina, but she forces him to touch the
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Speaker 1: beating organs, causing him to see the visions of the
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Speaker 1: victims of the killers, allowing for Dina to kill him,
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Speaker 1: finally breaking the curse. Dina and Sam reunite, Ziggy and
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Speaker 1: durs Lane reunite. Josh makes his online friend in person.
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Speaker 1: Very cute. The Good Family is exposed. Happy ending or
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Speaker 1: is it? There's a post credit scenes show someone taking
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Speaker 1: but which is book from the Tunnels, which I still
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Speaker 1: confused why they left it down there? Yeah? How are
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Speaker 1: going on? I guess they did. Dissy Dubbs apparently rl
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Speaker 1: Stein really liked this rendition. He did say that though
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Speaker 1: is nothing like his book, it held to the spirit
21:09
Speaker 1: of his stories and he really liked the adaptation. That
21:12
Speaker 1: makes me happy. I feel like that's one of the
21:14
Speaker 1: I know we've been talking about this recently because we've
21:16
Speaker 1: gotten to hear some of your passions of books and adaptions.
21:21
Speaker 1: I feel like, if it sticks to the spirit of it.
21:23
Speaker 1: I'm not generally one of those people that's like put
21:26
Speaker 1: in the book, but if you kind of deviate from
21:28
Speaker 1: the spirit our characters drastically, that's when I'm like, but
21:32
Speaker 1: wait a minute, right, So he was talking about at
21:35
Speaker 1: least they kept the characters and they understood the curses
21:38
Speaker 1: of that what's happening. So he appreciated it. He appreciated
21:42
Speaker 1: the storytelling and the flips, So you know, that's great.
21:45
Speaker 1: Apparently he's still writing. Did you know that? I did
21:47
Speaker 1: not know that it's Goose Bump series. He's still doing them.
21:52
Speaker 1: I should check it out. I'm legitimately a little nervous,
21:58
Speaker 1: and I think, Um, for anyone who isn't who hasn't
22:03
Speaker 1: seen these, hasn't read them, Uh, they're kind of tricky
22:08
Speaker 1: to explain. So I hope we did a decent job.
22:11
Speaker 1: But there's just a lot going on. It makes sense
22:14
Speaker 1: we're watching them, I promise, But like, if you like
22:16
Speaker 1: campy series with little twists and turns, um, and if
22:20
Speaker 1: you've already listened to it, you've gotten spoiled completely. So sorry, um,
22:25
Speaker 1: but that's on you. We told you. But it is.
22:31
Speaker 1: It's fun it's a fun little and for me who
22:33
Speaker 1: hates glory movies slasher films, I actually enjoyed it. Of
22:38
Speaker 1: course the second time around with more enjoyable because I
22:40
Speaker 1: knew what it was to come, so I would slose
22:42
Speaker 1: my eyes or like ignore the scene where it's completely deadly,
22:46
Speaker 1: but it's so over the top that it didn't m
22:50
Speaker 1: It was silly almost. Yeah. I think one of the
22:53
Speaker 1: things that struck me about these movies a cool things
23:00
Speaker 1: which we're going to talk about in the themes in
23:02
Speaker 1: the second, But I don't know, I knew what was
23:06
Speaker 1: going to happen because I feel like I read I
23:09
Speaker 1: was looking up you know, best horror movies whatever, and
23:12
Speaker 1: everybody spoiled me on like the bread maker scene and
23:15
Speaker 1: the bread slicer scene. If you've seen it, you know
23:18
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about. But it was just so sad
23:21
Speaker 1: because I liked everybody, like they did a good job
23:24
Speaker 1: of making everybody very sympathetic, um almost everybody, and that
23:31
Speaker 1: you well, even Nick until the end, like he seems
23:35
Speaker 1: like a cool guy ish yeah yeah, which I think
23:39
Speaker 1: that's the hallmark of a really good movie, is that
23:42
Speaker 1: it I was legitimately bummed, like bomb just sound so tripe,
23:46
Speaker 1: but I was. I was like, oh, and then just
23:50
Speaker 1: hearing the narrative around Shady Side and Shady Ciders, was like, oh, well,
23:55
Speaker 1: they bought it. They were selling drugs. It was at
23:57
Speaker 1: their fault. Um was very upsetting, and I think that
24:02
Speaker 1: that's it's a mark again that they did a good
24:05
Speaker 1: job of making you care about these characters. One of
24:09
Speaker 1: the biggest choice for me was they did they did
24:12
Speaker 1: an excellent little trickery in the second one where you
24:16
Speaker 1: think see Berman is Cindy the whole time because Gillian
24:21
Speaker 1: Jacob's hair is brown when you see her, and Cindy's
24:24
Speaker 1: hair is brown, and Sadie Sink as Ziggie Berman, her
24:28
Speaker 1: hair is red, and so that was one of the
24:30
Speaker 1: biggest Like, but yeah, let's let's get into some of
24:38
Speaker 1: the themes. I think one of the big ones it
24:41
Speaker 1: makes me sad that this is still something that I'm like,
24:43
Speaker 1: oh wow. But the fact that they centered the relationship
24:47
Speaker 1: between Dina and Sam, which is a gay relationship, so
24:51
Speaker 1: much surprised to me. And I think one of the
24:56
Speaker 1: scenes that sticks out to me the most is when
25:00
Speaker 1: and I think it's in the second one, when Dina
25:02
Speaker 1: is talking to Ziggy and says like, but I love
25:08
Speaker 1: her like just simply It's like I love her like
25:11
Speaker 1: I can't just abandon her. I love her right, And
25:14
Speaker 1: it was pretty I thought it was pretty well done.
25:17
Speaker 1: And to see it play out as the centerpiece of
25:20
Speaker 1: this along with you know, you're supporting very very supportive
25:25
Speaker 1: friendships and stuff, it was nice. And to see it
25:29
Speaker 1: go all the way back to sixteen sixty six sort
25:34
Speaker 1: of love story through the ages, love story to the ages. Yes.
25:39
Speaker 1: So one of the reasons, as we mentioned that Dina
25:43
Speaker 1: and Sam broke up, was that Sam was closeted, like
25:49
Speaker 1: she wasn't open about her sexuality in the beginning of
25:53
Speaker 1: part one, uh, and she kind of comes out publicly
25:56
Speaker 1: at the end of part one. So to see their
26:02
Speaker 1: their their relationship and the struggles of that um and
26:07
Speaker 1: all these things that they're dealing with, I don't know,
26:11
Speaker 1: I just found it pretty pretty refreshing. It didn't feel
26:16
Speaker 1: like they were baiting you or anything. It just felt like, oh,
26:21
Speaker 1: these characters are in love, and it felt very they're
26:24
Speaker 1: just in a relationship and they're fighting in exactly. Of course,
26:29
Speaker 1: they do kind of do the twist of like you
26:31
Speaker 1: think that they're mad about them being with the boy,
26:33
Speaker 1: and that they're like at the very beginning they do
26:36
Speaker 1: kind of try to do that to throw you off,
26:38
Speaker 1: but it doesn't feel like this is not from a
26:41
Speaker 1: male gaze, no, And like if you go back to
26:46
Speaker 1: the sixteen sixty six, but even in the present day,
26:49
Speaker 1: because they I think they were very clever and the
26:51
Speaker 1: actors they cast and who, like who did Simon play
26:56
Speaker 1: in nineteen and sixteen sixty six, that you have these
27:02
Speaker 1: scenes of Hannah and Sarah slash Dina and Sam kind
27:08
Speaker 1: of pissing off these men, men who were getting angry
27:11
Speaker 1: at being rejected that they're not of interest to these women,
27:15
Speaker 1: and that sort of being the whole thing are part
27:19
Speaker 1: of the whole thing that led to them being accused
27:22
Speaker 1: of witchcraft was just these men were mad that they
27:25
Speaker 1: got rejected. And then there was the whole scene of
27:32
Speaker 1: when they were checking it was women primarily checking women
27:36
Speaker 1: for marks in sixteen sixty six, it was just like
27:39
Speaker 1: so humiliating, like they were taking off their clothes and
27:41
Speaker 1: looking for marks on them. Um, these ways of asserting
27:44
Speaker 1: dominance of power, of humiliating these women when they felt
27:51
Speaker 1: so angry that they had been rejected by these women. Um,
27:58
Speaker 1: and then on top of that, we talked about this
28:01
Speaker 1: before too, just the like men trying to keep power
28:05
Speaker 1: was throughout and all of this with the Good Family.
28:10
Speaker 1: But also yeah, certainly in in sixteen sixty six where
28:14
Speaker 1: they anybody who's messing with the patriarchy and how that
28:19
Speaker 1: is assumed it must be is a witch or an
28:23
Speaker 1: outsider or something bad, and therefore we can blame everything
28:27
Speaker 1: on them, and we can kill them, we can hang them,
28:31
Speaker 1: and things will be better. I think I appreciate that
28:34
Speaker 1: a depiction of witchcraft in meaning like, hey, it wasn't
28:38
Speaker 1: these women, and they just use witchcraft as a way
28:41
Speaker 1: of like getting rid of problematic what they see as
28:45
Speaker 1: a women with who don't abide by normal standards. And
28:51
Speaker 1: so I thought that was interesting too, and I like
28:53
Speaker 1: that they twisted it like that. Yeah, I thought that
28:57
Speaker 1: was a really good tape because we've talked about that before.
28:59
Speaker 1: We talked about that in The Bitch, where at the
29:01
Speaker 1: end she becomes a witch because that's the only opportunity
29:06
Speaker 1: an available left to her, like that's the only thing,
29:09
Speaker 1: And it was similar in this, like Sarah was so
29:11
Speaker 1: desperate to say Hannah that she was willing to, you know,
29:15
Speaker 1: make this pact and and engage in dark magic, black magic,
29:19
Speaker 1: but that was like the last path left to her
29:22
Speaker 1: after they'd been accused and no one would believe them
29:26
Speaker 1: that it wasn't them. And then and the very end
29:29
Speaker 1: before she's hanged, when she she's like, oh, yeah, I'm
29:32
Speaker 1: the witch. I'm the witch. She did that to save
29:35
Speaker 1: the person she loved, so they kind of pushed her
29:38
Speaker 1: into this path. Meanwhile, it's a man the whole time
29:41
Speaker 1: doing that actual witchcraft. Yeah, and uh, then you see
29:48
Speaker 1: the town blaming this wish, blaming Sarah Fear for everything
29:54
Speaker 1: bad that's ever happened to them. So it was nice
29:57
Speaker 1: to see, like the discovery of O it wasn't her.
30:00
Speaker 1: You're right, she was trying to protect everyone by letting
30:04
Speaker 1: aybody know what was happening, which does a plot to
30:06
Speaker 1: us that happens a lot. Yeah, that's true, that's true,
30:12
Speaker 1: and just sort of the like biases we have or
30:15
Speaker 1: you know, you kind of the reason Nick Good's name
30:19
Speaker 1: I said his name is because his whole name is
30:21
Speaker 1: because they have the whole like good is evil thing
30:23
Speaker 1: at the end and then Fear Yeah, yeah, exactly, and
30:27
Speaker 1: her name is fear and just sort of those things
30:31
Speaker 1: where we go in believing, oh she was a woman,
30:33
Speaker 1: she was at which it must have been her, or
30:36
Speaker 1: you know, he's an upstanding citizen, his name is good.
30:40
Speaker 1: Can't be him, can't be him? So to see you
30:43
Speaker 1: that flip is pretty rewarding. And then, as we've talked
31:00
Speaker 1: about before, there's also the theme of persecution throughout of
31:05
Speaker 1: Witches of Queerness, any outsiders, because shadysiders are basically seen
31:10
Speaker 1: as outsiders. M that's how the town is painted and
31:16
Speaker 1: and the way people talk about them is very like,
31:19
Speaker 1: very expendable. They brought it on themselves. Um, they can't
31:23
Speaker 1: just conform and so it's their fault whatever is happening
31:26
Speaker 1: to them. That's why the witch is coming for them.
31:29
Speaker 1: There's a lot of stuff around trauma in these Yes,
31:36
Speaker 1: uh there's religious trauma. I think I picked up on
31:40
Speaker 1: last time I was watching it. We have upcoming episodes
31:48
Speaker 1: on this listener, so it is quite a doozy. But
31:52
Speaker 1: just this in sixteen sixty six where they everybody felt
31:58
Speaker 1: like they couldn't be themselves and if they were truth
32:01
Speaker 1: of themselves, you'd be persecuted. And then it was this
32:05
Speaker 1: thing that you felt like you had to punish yourself
32:07
Speaker 1: for like, if I just punish myself or if I
32:11
Speaker 1: feel guilty enough, maybe I won't be queer anymore, maybe
32:15
Speaker 1: I won't sind in heavy quotes anymore. Based on this
32:19
Speaker 1: religion that they were all steeped in, that they all
32:22
Speaker 1: believed in, there is certainly the whole dismissing women and youth.
32:28
Speaker 1: I would say, I don't think we talked about that
32:30
Speaker 1: enough either. That It's very like, oh, you young people.
32:36
Speaker 1: I love how they made this nurse Lane, who was
32:39
Speaker 1: probably younger than me or my age, looks so decrepit
32:42
Speaker 1: from jump from right. Yeah. Um. But there's a scene
32:52
Speaker 1: in in part one where Sam and Dina go to
32:56
Speaker 1: the police, and obviously Nick Good would when you know
33:00
Speaker 1: how the ending goes, he had an alterior motive. But
33:03
Speaker 1: they were very dismissive. It was quite kind of an
33:06
Speaker 1: unbelievable story. But still they were very very dismissive. And
33:11
Speaker 1: one of the cops says to them, go find your boyfriends.
33:14
Speaker 1: Tell them you need to relax. Yeah yeah, I was like,
33:19
Speaker 1: I'm ready to punch this dude. Now tell them you
33:23
Speaker 1: need to relax. Gross gross, scratch gross. And then I
33:30
Speaker 1: think there's a lot to unpack with the whole shady
33:31
Speaker 1: side versus sunny veil thing. Yeah, because there's a lot
33:36
Speaker 1: of interesting discussion I think we could have around privilege
33:41
Speaker 1: and legacy and this sort of idea of like the
33:45
Speaker 1: narrative and you can't escape things that follow you. Things
33:48
Speaker 1: follow you. So there's just so much of this feeling
33:52
Speaker 1: from people on shady side like oh, it's gonna hang
33:54
Speaker 1: onto me forever. I'm never going to be able to
33:57
Speaker 1: escape this. And that's also the new heard if they're
34:00
Speaker 1: getting fed, is like you can't get out of shady side.
34:04
Speaker 1: So you have like Kyton Simon selling drugs to saved
34:07
Speaker 1: get out. You have Dina who sort of accepted this
34:10
Speaker 1: like doom of of shady side. You have Sam who
34:14
Speaker 1: quote got out and is now you know, an outsider
34:18
Speaker 1: to them. Just all of these instances where we see
34:22
Speaker 1: people feeling like they're trapped in this situation and then
34:29
Speaker 1: like you got um Cindy, who it's implied heavily changed
34:34
Speaker 1: her personality, like she won't swear, she got a polo,
34:39
Speaker 1: she tries to be perfect, she dates this perfect boyfriend
34:42
Speaker 1: that is also heavily applied that she didn't really like
34:45
Speaker 1: at all, and she did all of that because it's
34:49
Speaker 1: like she wanted to escape shady side. But the it's
34:54
Speaker 1: it feels like the message then is you can do
34:56
Speaker 1: everything right, but the systems in place betray you and
34:59
Speaker 1: blame And it's true, like you have the authorities, the
35:05
Speaker 1: authority in the town who's essentially sacrificing you so they
35:10
Speaker 1: can be rich and wealthy and happy, and you're getting
35:15
Speaker 1: blamed for it even if you do everything right right.
35:19
Speaker 1: I did find it interesting that, of course good whoever
35:23
Speaker 1: they are going after has a connection to someone that
35:26
Speaker 1: they care about, so you're like, obviously they're gonna kill them.
35:28
Speaker 1: What's wrong with you? Yeah? Like he does the first
35:33
Speaker 1: one does the pastor whose daughter is in a relationship.
35:37
Speaker 1: Maybe that was out of jealousy. Let's be honest, but
35:39
Speaker 1: maybe that was out of jealousy. Actually several of these
35:40
Speaker 1: could be out of jealousy, to be fair. But like
35:43
Speaker 1: he does the father of the daughter that your your crush.
35:48
Speaker 1: I guess the best way to say it, uh is
35:51
Speaker 1: linked to or But he getsn't know that. He just
35:53
Speaker 1: thinks the best friends. So I'm like, why would you
35:56
Speaker 1: do this? Why would you obviously he's going to be
35:58
Speaker 1: in that proximity, so she might get killed. What the hell? Man? Yeah,
36:03
Speaker 1: I think that's a good point though, that a lot
36:05
Speaker 1: of them were either and both not thought through or
36:11
Speaker 1: it was out of Chelsea, because I think Solomon did
36:13
Speaker 1: have a thing for Sarah, and I think he when
36:17
Speaker 1: she kind of spurned his deal of oh, i'll share
36:20
Speaker 1: it with you, that's when he said, oh, she's the witch,
36:23
Speaker 1: even though he also was scared because she cut out him.
36:26
Speaker 1: But like, um, and then no one would believe her
36:30
Speaker 1: who's already been accused of being the witch. It's true,
36:33
Speaker 1: it's true. I think a lot of it does have
36:35
Speaker 1: to do with with jealousy. Um, that was a recurring
36:43
Speaker 1: theme of dudes being real mad when women didn't do
36:48
Speaker 1: what they wanted them to do. All right, But yeah,
36:53
Speaker 1: that's certainly certainly something I picked up on as well.
36:57
Speaker 1: And yeah, I do I did want to include we
37:01
Speaker 1: we talked about this earlier already, but I did want
37:03
Speaker 1: to include the line like when Sarah says, you know,
37:08
Speaker 1: they think they're guilty, so we are they want to
37:10
Speaker 1: which I'll give them a witch, And that's that same
37:12
Speaker 1: idea of we're forcing there's only one way to move
37:20
Speaker 1: forward for these women they've been persecuted, is like you
37:24
Speaker 1: were making in this In this case, they made the
37:28
Speaker 1: witch that they wanted. They made the scapegoat that they wanted,
37:31
Speaker 1: which is tell me if I'm wrong. Most of the
37:34
Speaker 1: movies that I've saying that are supposed to be historically
37:36
Speaker 1: based where the witches are not witches, but they're being blamed. Essentially,
37:40
Speaker 1: they're just going to be tortured until they admit their witches.
37:42
Speaker 1: So if they say they're not and deny it, they're
37:45
Speaker 1: going to be tortured until they say yes, and then
37:47
Speaker 1: they'll be put out of their misery essentially in a
37:49
Speaker 1: horrible death. So it's kind of like what did you
37:52
Speaker 1: want from the Yeah? I mean, and that's one of
37:56
Speaker 1: those things about those like Salem with trials where you
38:01
Speaker 1: know they throw you in the water. If you float,
38:04
Speaker 1: you're a witch, If you drown, you're not a witch.
38:06
Speaker 1: But then you're dead. You're dead. So what's better man? Exactly? Uh?
38:13
Speaker 1: And then another thing I wanted to touch on in
38:15
Speaker 1: these is I did think they showcase a lot of
38:19
Speaker 1: really supportive friendships that were refreshing. I love in part
38:24
Speaker 1: one when they all decide to stand up and to
38:29
Speaker 1: stand with Sam, even though she had recently broken up
38:32
Speaker 1: with Dina. They were kind of mad at her, but
38:37
Speaker 1: they in the end, especially after she agreed to sacrifice herself,
38:41
Speaker 1: UM like, no, we're going to fight with you. I
38:45
Speaker 1: just thought that was so nice. I'm so sad that
38:47
Speaker 1: they die in UM, but it was just nice to
38:52
Speaker 1: see that they all came together and we're like, no
38:55
Speaker 1: one of us is in trouble. We're all going to
38:57
Speaker 1: fight together to come from the plan. And then they
39:01
Speaker 1: die horrible death and the brother gets to hook up
39:05
Speaker 1: with a hot girl, which I was like, that was unnecessary,
39:08
Speaker 1: but okay whatever, but then she dies and then they
39:11
Speaker 1: forget her. Yeah. Well that I couldn't figure out because
39:15
Speaker 1: first I was like, so Simon and Kater together and
39:17
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, it's so Kate and Josh. But
39:19
Speaker 1: then I was like, this is Josh much younger than her.
39:22
Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on. I don't know how
39:25
Speaker 1: much younger. I think they're still teens. Both of them
39:27
Speaker 1: are in teens, so it's not like it's still weird
39:30
Speaker 1: because when you think of high school, and I was like,
39:31
Speaker 1: I would never as a as a junior, would never
39:34
Speaker 1: did a freshman or so, you know what I mean,
39:35
Speaker 1: unless it was a girl, a younger girl with an
39:38
Speaker 1: older boy. That was okay. It's such a weird complex, weird,
39:42
Speaker 1: it's something to unpack in the future episode. That's the
39:45
Speaker 1: whole thing. There were there were some threads of betrayal,
39:51
Speaker 1: especially if you are talking about men betraying women in
39:56
Speaker 1: their lives. Of like Nick Good, I guess, sort of
40:00
Speaker 1: being okay that everybody Ziggy cared about died, but you know,
40:05
Speaker 1: I was still wanting to be in her life, or
40:09
Speaker 1: Solomon Good with a similar thing. I do like that
40:13
Speaker 1: there's that threat of multiple generations of women helping each other.
40:16
Speaker 1: So even though Ziggy is really hesitant at first, in
40:20
Speaker 1: the end she ends up like really leaning in and
40:22
Speaker 1: really being there, I'm gonna I'm gonna fight this guy.
40:27
Speaker 1: Um and you know, in remembrance of her sister and
40:31
Speaker 1: who she lost and of Alice, and well, do I
40:34
Speaker 1: think she's also mad because she got tricked? Yeah? Oh yeah,
40:38
Speaker 1: like he killed people, he did, and she opened up
40:44
Speaker 1: to him, Yes, oh absolutely, But so it was nice
40:47
Speaker 1: to see like uh and and honestly, like even Sarah
40:51
Speaker 1: fear kind of reaching out over the all this time
40:55
Speaker 1: of like I'm still I'm going to get this guy.
40:57
Speaker 1: I'm going to get this guys, like I'm gonna show
41:00
Speaker 1: everyone everyone, But they just didn't get the messages convoluted.
41:05
Speaker 1: It was convoluted. It's very similar to The Grudge in
41:08
Speaker 1: that way. Well, yes, well, Jue, maybe not the Grudge,
41:12
Speaker 1: but I think you want is the one where she's
41:15
Speaker 1: actually trying to warn them that the bad dudes she
41:18
Speaker 1: still takes. She takes the one girl in the bed,
41:20
Speaker 1: it was her. Well in the Grudge, it's her, it's
41:26
Speaker 1: her too, it's her face that you see in the covers.
41:29
Speaker 1: I don't remember. I just know she's like the warning
41:31
Speaker 1: before the guy comes to kill you. But everybody thought
41:34
Speaker 1: she was the warning. Everybody thought she was the actual person.
41:37
Speaker 1: So maybe we have to go back and look at
41:39
Speaker 1: this because if I remember correctly, in the Asian the
41:42
Speaker 1: Japanese version, when she loosened the covers as her as well,
41:46
Speaker 1: and then she gets sucked in. So unless they don't
41:48
Speaker 1: show that and they just imply it, but that would
41:51
Speaker 1: be the same implication in the original American Grudge with
41:55
Speaker 1: Sarah Let's show Gatherer. Yes, it's like Jessica Parker like
42:00
Speaker 1: does not. I feel like there's several of the like,
42:09
Speaker 1: oh my god, we tried to tell you. I mean,
42:11
Speaker 1: there's episodes like in Supernatural where they have that where
42:15
Speaker 1: are the sisters shining of Warren about the other sister.
42:18
Speaker 1: They think it's hard because she's the one that's coming
42:20
Speaker 1: out before they burned her body. The same thing with
42:22
Speaker 1: the mother trying to keep the the meta episode where
42:28
Speaker 1: there's a Supernatural conference and it turns out that the
42:32
Speaker 1: mother was trying to keep the children at bay and
42:34
Speaker 1: she killed them because he killed the look they had
42:37
Speaker 1: killed her son, and you don't know that until after
42:39
Speaker 1: the fact. Yeah. Yeah, I mean that's a it's a
42:43
Speaker 1: pretty common theme, and they think a lot of it
42:45
Speaker 1: does rely on, as we said earlier, that sort of
42:49
Speaker 1: knee jerk. Oh she's the witch, so it's her like,
42:53
Speaker 1: we don't get the benefit of the doubt, We don't
42:56
Speaker 1: question any further, we don't investigate any further. Um. So
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Speaker 1: it was nice to see in this that they were like,
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Speaker 1: wait a minute, we should look into this a bit more.
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Speaker 1: She didn't main to She just ended up touching her
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Speaker 1: exactly exactly. And then I did. I did like the
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Speaker 1: sisterhood between Ziggy and Cindy because they were very different
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Speaker 1: people and their relationship was complex, but I liked that
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Speaker 1: in the end Cindy was like, it's I am here
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Speaker 1: for you. You are the person that I want to be,
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Speaker 1: I want to be with and um and then seeing
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Speaker 1: them reconciled. And I also liked seeing Cindy and Alice reconcile,
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Speaker 1: even though unfortunately Alice died soon after, but I like
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Speaker 1: to see the recondcile. There's so many things, of course,
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Speaker 1: the ins and outs of high school and being perfect
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Speaker 1: that was a whole different conversation in itself, and losing
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Speaker 1: yourself because you're trying you really think you're situation is
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Speaker 1: the problem, which I think a lot of people think
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Speaker 1: that in general it could be true, then they forget
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Speaker 1: who they're leaving behind. As well. I thought they did
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Speaker 1: a pretty great job of portraying the difficulties of that
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Speaker 1: age and the growing pains of that age and how
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Speaker 1: that can impact your relationships with your friends, are your
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Speaker 1: siblings are or what have you? Um. I also like
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Speaker 1: your take on the fact that Zi, the person who
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Speaker 1: plays that character, plays that same character in Stranger Things. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: When I was actually Stranger Things, I was like, is
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Speaker 1: she gonna do literally the same? Oh, she died but
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Speaker 1: was resurrected, and so now it's okay, Oh wow, she is.
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Speaker 1: She's not dead yet, She's not resurrected quite yet. Spoilers
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Speaker 1: Stranger Things. Oh dear uh. And I just had to
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Speaker 1: throw out there somebody who grew up with economic code.
44:59
Speaker 1: I did a p shit the economic code mention. What
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Speaker 1: is this down down left, right, left right? Oh, the
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Speaker 1: code they're saying at the end. So like if you
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Speaker 1: start like Hill three, for instance, and you just put
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Speaker 1: that in the menu, you win the game automatically. Economic Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I love it. I love the mention of it. I
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Speaker 1: loved my nineties nostalgia. It was very fun. You should. Yeah,
45:30
Speaker 1: So if this is your thing, can't be slasher fun
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Speaker 1: horror movies. But they are horror movies and they do
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Speaker 1: get can Cory, We just have a quote unquote happy ending. Yes.
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Speaker 1: Also apparently, by the way, as we were talking about
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Speaker 1: rl Stein, he said that that that was a smart
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Speaker 1: way to go, because that's the only way he can
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Speaker 1: end his books or the fans rebel. So there you go.
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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I believe it. I believe it. Uh yeah,
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Speaker 1: then we recommend it. And and for anybody out there
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Speaker 1: who has any suggestions on what we should do for
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Speaker 1: future Spoiled Saturday's other horror movies, we should watch. Any
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Speaker 1: thoughts about these that we didn't touch on, or the
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Speaker 1: books remind me of the books because I've missed those books.
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Speaker 1: I think I need to go behind them, yes, or
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Speaker 1: your favorite goose Bumps books, all of these things. Um
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