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What is Keyforge in 2024 · Archons Corner

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  Yeah, very well, sir, let's bring the depression very well. There's
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  no depression. This is this is good. Happen New Year? When you
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  sign up for ABRD, did you guys want me to do the intro?
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  Or you just too just want to yell at each other. We're an old
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  Let's let's go with the Let's go with twenty twenty four. Let's yell at
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  each other twenty twenty four. I love you man, New Year, same
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  key forage. What's going on? Everybody? I am the one, the
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  only w oh okay. I e joined here by a condensed cast of misfits.
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  We have the ewakyist of ewok's ewokd you. Hello keyboards, community,
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  Happy New Year. It is so glad to be here. I miss all
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  of you family. Hopefully you had a wonderful Christmas holiday season and your New
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  Year's is off to a great start New Year. The least wakiest be I
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  don't know, mm, you're just shipping on my intro? What's the deal?
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  Like? What's but we have? He is the most wakiest. I
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  just want to know what the least was the probably also the least walkyist,
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  right, he's he's all but we have this new year, same choke show.
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  We got the choke show, jas Car. That was God, guys
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  and our resident pH D doctor sheep. Yeah, but we have news.
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  We told you we'd have. We'd come back and there'd be some news.
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  There's a little bit of news, just a touch. It came before Christmas
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  too, this twell one did. Hey, hey, one is better than
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  none. So we got news on December twenty second, right before we all
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  took our yearly sabbatical to clear our minds, spend time with our families,
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  and inevitably power bomb one through a table. Uh march to I'm sorry update
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  this year? Who do you think the same person? I pick every year?
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  Drazz cor his mother in law? Damn straight? But December wait wait,
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  wait wait is this why we couldn't record last night? Because she was
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  in the hospital because you chose to bat was my wife's grandmother. She got
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  a pacemaker. Well I'm glad that she is. All Okay, yes,
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  we are a little lates, But you're not going ahead and body signing grandma,
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  are you? No? No, she's far too tiny for me to
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  body slam her. So tiny people, you can't body slam. The physics
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  is all off. It just doesn't work. So is that why never walk?
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  I mean me and you walk are probably very similar heights. So I
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  mean we can we can sell tickets to next year's KFC to watch Wookie power
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  bomb. You walk through a table, nice, nice self, spring So
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  it's so generous of you, I'll spring for the table a table of his
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  shreddered decks, right, just shredder decks. You know how at gen Con
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  for the other card games they make like a big giant castle with all the
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  cards about Cardiva. What is it? We could do the same, but
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  we can use old keyfge decks in order to make a table. Which then,
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  so you just want to any power bomb to the floor. That sounds
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  more painful, well, but it's it would be good for charity. So
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  oh okay, if as long as it's for charity, I'm will be power
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  bomb through floor. We did, we'd have to go ahead. And don't
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  really want to explain to your wife while your back's broken, but you know,
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  oh it's already broken. For charity? Why not? She knows if
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  he goes anywhere with me, he's likely to come back injured. I've only
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  ever broke two bones, and both times it has been with sheepm weird.
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  It seems to seems to be a trend. I don't know. Is it
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  three times it's a trend? Is that what it is? We have a
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  good time together, it's all fine, we do. But on December twenty
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  second, twenty twenty three, you're hungry for the twenty twenty fourth or twenty
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  twenty four organized playpack. I guess that's what we're calling it. You are
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  jump you are jumping into this. I'm right head first, man, I
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  am excited. Okay, I am excited for in story, chronologically this did
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  happen first, So it did happen first, right, Well, I'm just
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  moving notes because we have some sweet show notes that just we're gonna put that.
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  You know, I didn't even look at those this week. But you
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  when you want to know where? It says you want to know when you
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  want to know where? And we we're well aware that sounds like bad grammar
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  in some way somehow. I'm not sure. We will have additional info on
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  the entirety of our twenty twenty four season coming soon, but for now,
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  we will like to give you a quick update on store championships. We said
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  at key Ford celebration. The twenty twenty four organized play season will begin with
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  these foundational events, and that's still the plan. March to Victory. Ghost
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  Galaxy is happy announce the twenty twenty four Store Championships will be held during the
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  entire month of March. They will be limited to brick and mortar retailers who
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  must sign up using the play Style application see below for more on that.
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  Retailers will once once they have completed the sign up, be able to pick
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  any dates between March first, twenty twenty four and March thirty first, twenty
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  twenty four in which to run their event. Then it gives us some stuff
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  for retailers sign up, so she she am I able to get play styles
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  from anywhere yet play Style Okay, so I mean, yay, we're gonna
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  get start championships. Boo are we? I mean according to this article?
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  The answer is yes. I mean, what's different now than three months ago?
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  They wrote an article Okay, what's different now versus the op thing we
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  were told at the end of twenty two The different this one don't have a
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  sweet video of how KeyForge decks are made and a little phone that is to
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  reject twin decks. I'm sorry, I can never let that go. That
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  literally, like there's a Galaxy S eight that's controlling whether there are multiple of
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  one deck or or not. I mean it's probably like ctp's old phone,
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  Like it's probably good he's upgrade. That's a good deal, you know,
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  as well as everybody else. That is the cheapest way to get high quality
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  webcams is just stil cell phones. It is true, like you have more
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  you have a better quality phone in your pocket than better quality camera. Better
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  quality phone, better quality camera in your pocket that can record up to much.
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  I mean mine can do up to four K, which is why and
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  like why vision and all kinds of stuff. It can do all sorts of
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  fun stuff. Or you can go be a dumb dumb like me and also
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  pay for a Canon M fifty which is going to run you about six to
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  seven hundred dollars. But then you can put the fancy creeper lens on it
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  and man on whatever it is you'd like to do. Neighbors well on a
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  different goals whatever vision dimples. I just I just want ahead and logged into
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  my place style because it was fun to be able to check, hey,
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  where is this hat and I think I might have been, you know,
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  causing the whole system to crash because it just popped up twenty twenty three KFC
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  arc on World Championship Finals archived and it has E Walk Junior versus TBD,
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  and it gives me a choice. Can I should I drop off? Now?
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  Yeah, I think it is. You should totally press drop. Just
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  see what happens. Oh my god, the chaos. I mean that the
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  stats do show it says rank first s O s zero point seventy five wins
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  one, losses one. But it kind of did bring a little joy to
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  me to open up and see this. So so mine says KFC. Now
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  nightfall sealed, that's mine says yeah, which is only funny. And that
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  I played in another play style event after that? Is it just play style
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  that time? They still they still, I don't know. I'm looking on
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  my computer. There's a dispute tab on the left. Oh my gosh,
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  there is. Yeah, I don't have a dispute my disputes Well that's because
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  they know you never have one. I mean, they are right, like,
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  we're really good, but it says archive this is really interesting. Okay,
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  we're good. I'm going to report. Okay, well that was okay,
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  but I can't my my argument still stands in that, yes, there
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  is an article, but there is absolutely nothing different. Oh yeah, well
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  the only change have passed. Okay, okay, drrect is different. Six
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  weeks past were four. Yes, but by the twenty second they did go
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  ahead and tell us we know exactly when you should be able to sign up.
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  March first to March thirty first is when our March to Victory Championship held
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  thing. Told us what month they were going to be in two and guess
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  what they didn't happen. That's sure, they're supposed to happen in February.
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  If I believe in twenty twenty two, gig I can want twenty three.
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  They told us twenty twenty two, Josh, I can only fight for you
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  so long, man, Like you're giving me something here, but he's not
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  even here today. I understand that guy. All right, Hey, hey,
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  well we hey, God forbide the guy you are. You are climbing
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  the ranks, back up the ranks. You are ever back to the number
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  like five. I mean, you're right, like generally we are much more
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  likely to actually have an event. But what I'm saying, is there are
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  no actual deliverance yet. No, no, there are no there are no
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  deliver it's but there are things like retailer sign ups. Okay, they'll be
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  available after delivered. Retailer is able to sign up. Now what wait wait
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  wait what what about the contents that have been spoiled? Can we all?
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  Right? So no, because that's not what they what they have really,
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  someone made a website and it happens to be GG. We're like, oh,
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  this is a favorite website, all kinds of stuff that gets tested on
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  websites and put stuff that never goes live? Yeah, do you think GG
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  is doing that? Though? All right, put the put the rut.
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  I don't know. Do you have the u r L? I don't.
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  I didn't save the u r L. And I'm i am done living on
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  non delivered, non factual things, right Like, I can have all the
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  rumors and all the backroom talk I want, but until there is something that
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  we red card red carp Yeah, you read card cheap the all of us
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  because we don't know where this link is. Okay, I agree the show
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  likes that stuff, but me personally, I'm I'm kind of done. I
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  can understand it. Has been. Now what we're on is this this It's
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  been a full year of living on hopes and prayers and it's wait, you're
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  just a year man, you're really prayers again. We don't pray for key
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  Forge this. This is a whole nother thing that we can get into.
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  Well, okay, so somebody prays for key for do you want Is there
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  a better analogy you'd like me to use. We're living off of just hope.
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  Okay, great, We're living off of goodwill and the understanding like this
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  is a statement from a company saying that this will be coming, but right
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  now we're in this limbo period waiting to make sure that there's a delivery.
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  Like how this statement some reason gets more validity than all the previous statements.
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  I do. Yes, it has been a year to two years that we
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  have been living on hope, right, Like we've we're hoping they're going to
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  do something. We hope they're going to do this. There, we hope
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  they're going to do that. And the one thing, the only thing they
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  have delivered on thus far is Vault Tours. Pretty good twenty twenty three Vault
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  Tour season. Yes, as far as number of all right, here we
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  go. I found a screenshot screen shot the Forge twenty twenty four store Championship
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  kit retailer application required put it in the chat. Didn't it have like the
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  the the priest kit that was in there too? Yeah? I had a
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  picture about it was going to be at least that's all I wanted. I
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  know Wookie will go ahead and not upload this, so please please there this
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  is what do you mean all of our stuff gets uploaded. It's just not
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  in a time No no, no, no, no no no no.
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  When when when we talk about link, when we talk about linking things,
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  this isn't a link. This is a picture. Where would you like me
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  to put a picture in an audio podcast? Run up your picture? Hole
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  this jpeg? Zero zero a lot what zero zero zero there? So you
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  start a whole pictures work like you got you got. Each pixel is a
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  line of Harry cos that you got to shut out and like this one's gonna
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  have a lot. This is gonna have a lot of pixels, sir,
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  take a while. You have to do ahead when you go ahead and actually
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  upload your podcast and then you link you know, pictures and things do we
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  talking about? Don't link? Pick where what Internet do you live on You
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  don't link pictures. The more picture you link picture some discords you just said,
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  shoutouts a lot of okay, you are are all right. Here we
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  go. So here's what it says. Each Store Championship kit contains Colon one
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  kit explainer insert. Okay, so there's there's a piece of paper that tells
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  us what the heck these things are. This is the Store Championship all right,
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  one twenty twenty four premium metal key set. There you go, and
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  will I will if that is, if that is real, I will be
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  gunning for that. Yeah, I mean that's pretty cool. Like it.
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  I'll let you have one. Thank you, Joe. You can have overspent
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  on a deck that underperformed, so somebody's got to win them. No,
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  I won most of my keys off of other decks, thank you. I
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  mean, I will say spoiler. But in article too, there was someone
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  who had his name with the deck there. We're not talking about him.
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  We'll get there. Yes, all right. Two Tal deck books which I
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  just recycled. Happy about No no no, no no no, but I
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  like I like the Teal deck books a different color because it's they're dead.
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  You're never going to see another one again. I wonder if you say second
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  place, I have one third second place, guys, some of them second
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  place for first second place? Nice four battle tested grim Reminder decks, and
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  battle tested is in quotes. So what do you guys think that is?
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  It's just probably another treatment. I mean, I I would like to do
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  like my joke of their just my shreddered decks. They're just giving them back
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  to you. Battle Tested doesn't mean battle passed. So these are the decks
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  that failed them away as prizes. They're battle tested. My god, I
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  know it's tested to be I don't want them. I agree with you Wiki
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  that it's a treatment, But I do like the idea when I'm picturing some
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  of the bad cutting material that they're just really poorly cut decks that have been
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  like maybe we got them back. Maybe they're twin twin decks and we're just
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  gonna I would like I would like a card of them that's like Jeremy breathed
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  on this deck, and you could you have to collect them all. This
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  one's yeah, Josh, this is when Josh had COVID. He breathed on
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  this deck. This is a horrible idea. How am I this cast I
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  do like him coming back objecting we are not one hundred percent sure, but
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  we appreciate your presence. So I don't know if it's like it's gonna be
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  a treatment. Yeah, it's a treatment. It's gonna have little axes on
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  it or something like so far. Yeah, I was picturing I was picturing
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  kind of like a red treatment, kind of like it's rocks of like red
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  gray brown that's on the other side showing. Yeah, like kind of like
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  that this was hard fought. Maybe it's because maybe it's because I know sheep.
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  I just finished. I just finished the books. That's what I was
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  gonna talk about, is I am presently there is no death in key Forge
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  because all the dudes just get resurrected. Well you do get resurrected, yes,
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  well that's only by an ARCon during a vault battle. So if you
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  have to die, But these are people that's true and so powerful death.
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  I'm just saying that's why the planet keeps expanding, because like, we got
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  all these people somewhere. Can we just tell somebody? Mm hmmm. So
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  I I am rereading the Keep it Zeconium, So that's where I am.
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  And yeah, did you realize they're not logos yet they Okay, how are
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  they not? By the way, for anyone, I guess whatever, uh
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  are you saying spoilers about three year old books? I mean, let's be
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  honest on the internet, like you have to be like, hey, remember
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  Robotcops spoiler alert for those of who haven't watched it was this like spoiler and
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  Star Wars faders his dad, Yeah, pretty much spoilers by the way,
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  to watch Star Wars. If you're a sentient being that is full of technology
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  and you're able to input into others, how is that not logos? Well?
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  One, the one dude is a dis demon. They verily, very
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  clearly explained that. And who knows floating a floating part Wait, I'm floating.
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  Yeah, it's just a condensed live fart or something. Oh my goodness.
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  All right, but anyways, there's also when you get to it,
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  they talk about not being part of a house. They're they're investigators. Anyway,
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  sixteen Haunted indicator cards. The rents fast enough. Yeah, we forgot
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  to print them on the thirty seventh card, so here you go. Yeah.
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  No, no, I like this, especially if the news like it's
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  something that is going to help mark the deck that will be like part of
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  you know, I like this? Yeah, no, this is uh,
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  you know, like we've talked about a show a bunch like this is just
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  an obvious easy thing to do. So yeah, why not make an official
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  version? That seems good? Maybe it'll even be cool. What do you
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  guys? Be sharp and we can give ourselves paper cuts with it? No,
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  no metal, metal paper cuts are no fun. What do you guys
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  think about this? Do you think it's going to be metal? No,
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  it's probably gonna be a I think they're going to use to be cardboard.
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  You're right, yeah, cardboard, Yeah, like card stock that they could
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  just rip right off the their printers. They can go ahead and put a
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  sheet on and then maybe they should put a chain track around the backside,
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  just for the stop it sitting down in sheep. What do you what do
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  you guys think about the question mark here right over those premium metal keys,
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  So you don't know as a store that is not just in this that Okay,
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  so your guests is not done yet? Okay, what do you mean?
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  Guess that's what it is. They're not done yet maybe, but if
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  you look at both the twenty twenty and twenty eighteen, Like all that need
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  to be changed was the date? What else? That's so fun? They're
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  not f FG, let them make their own unique stuff. Yeah, quick,
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  quick copying pasting. Did they say, wait, wait, cheap,
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  cheap, you can't have the old place? How are you going ahead and
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  saying they can't copy and paste? But that's what they've done with taking their
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  gg's old They that. Yeah, that's literally just push. But we have
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  a box of this ship. We gotta get rid of it. Hold on,
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  hold on, Judge, I would like to continue to put evidence in
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  number two. When we see our articles from the last o P season,
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  we literally have seen copy and paste from some of the articles where locations were
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  from the previous event, and listen to some of our episodes are pretty much
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  copy and paste. So these things they have to I mean they just there.
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  You go, Well, we actually re recorded for some reason. What
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  No, we never have re recorded anything from what you're talking about. Wrong.
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  Wow, Yeah, that was called enhancing the stupidity of the episode.
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  Hmmm. I had fun with it, all right, So that's that's Yeah.
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  You're gonna get sixteen haunted indicators. They're green in stock in ready to
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  ship. I did figure out the math when I added up what I thought
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  all this stuff was worth. It's about a hard Bucks. Like if you
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  were to put retail prices on everything this. You know, someone ranked thirty
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  dollars for the deck books, they're fifteen dollars apiece. Yeah, thirteen dollars.
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  I was going to say there should be twenty nine ninety nine apiece.
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  No, those are books not Oh yeah, listen, inflations on the rise,
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  man, like I don't know whatever. All right, let's get into
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  the second Organized play article. This came out on January third, twenty twenty
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  three. I don't think anybody's hit it on the head yet, not quite
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  yet. I got to talk about what happened to between in between what he
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  ran an event? Man, Oh, yeah, that's right, you did.
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  You ran a soapbox event. I don't remember what. Sure, well,
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  I ran a local ass event and uh so between yeah, yep,
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  between Christmas and New Year's we did a anti Sealed survival event and so we
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  did three sets. So jumped to the store and we have we had there
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  every set, although we apparently we ran out of Kota like the week before,
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  so we're actually out of Cota. So we didn't have Coda and uh
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  hmm, so but we had every railar set and uh so I was advertising
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  and trying to get people to come, and we got seventeen players, super
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  excited about seventeen in person folks. And we we start, you know,
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  I'm I'm you know, shepherding people through the through the line, cash register,
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  chatting people up whatever, and he uh somebody grabs, hey, how
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  you doing line? Yeah, you're throwing welcome to my ass event. So
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  and so then the I'm gonna use mass mutation, right the last deck out
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  of the mass mutation box. Okay, hey, grab the you know,
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  grab the next masputation box. Well there's just the shell of a box,
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  like there's no decks in it underneath. Like you open it, it's like
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  wait, this is an empty box. It's like wait, do we have
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  any more? And then suddenly there's a panic because we're out of a mass
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  putation. Uh and so I'm Black Carl. That's the guy who was certain
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  we have more mass mutation. He's like, uh he's like, I got
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  more of that one. He points it a away and uh more, what
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  is it that the tied one? I was like okay, but no more
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  all right. So yeah, so people are like, oh, so so
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  you know, we have woe. So people are getting grabbing woe and the
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  world to collide. So people grabbing that, and people are like, you
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  know, and and you know, Carl's still selling his AOA at discount nine
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  dollars pop. And so people are like, I guess I'll they're looking at
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  the d T and they're like and so they're buying a away and so people
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  are they're picking away over over GT and so everybody files in like I'm I'm
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  like the last one. And so I'm like, Carl, you really you
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  know, you don't have any more this that the other He's like, wow,
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  I got all these over here, and he opens up the box.
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  He's like, yeah, well I have is a tide one. He holds
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  up two boxes of m M like, Carl, that's that's not dark tidings.
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  That's that's my pasmutation. He looks at it or that's so he looks
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  at it. He's like, oh oh whoops, and he puts him out
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  and saw. I'm like hmmm. So I go into the other room.
• 27:11
  I'm like, so, guys, I know you just bought your decks,
• 27:15
  but and I didn't do this to sell more decks, but there's still people
• 27:21
  look at me and they looked out at their sealed away and they stand up
• 27:25
  and they get back in line them. So Carl made out n nice scam.
• 27:36
  Uh so yeah, so so actually we we almost ran out of World's
• 27:41
  Collide. There was uh only one deck left because he didn't have any more
• 27:45
  Worlds Collide and uh so so yes, so everything for for folks there,
• 27:53
  we've got to go dress curly move away since twenty n you Loka Car,
• 28:00
  So uh yeah, it was a great event. We uh had a lot
• 28:04
  of fun and people seem to be enjoying just playing all sorts of different stuff.
• 28:10
  Right, So that the anti if you recall from our previous episode where
• 28:14
  we talked about the ass format, so that time we did an alliance.
• 28:18
  This was not an alliance. It was just you had to pick pick your
• 28:22
  deck. It was just sealed. So when you win with a deck,
• 28:27
  that deck's out and so if you if you win, you have to pick
• 28:33
  one of your remaining decks. If you lose, you can keep using using
• 28:37
  your decks, and fourth round, if you're still undefeated, you can pick
• 28:41
  from any of your decks is what we did now. We I was like,
• 28:45
  oh, what do we do if we go to five rounds? But
• 28:48
  we there was a clear winner after four rounds. Uh, so we did
• 28:53
  not have to worry about what happened at the end of in the fifth round.
• 28:59
  It was a time, had a lot of fun and thanks all for
• 29:03
  coming out and playing. We had the local folks and then we had folks
• 29:06
  come in from Jersey. We had folks come in from Maryland, so it
• 29:10
  was it was a good time. It was a good time. Wow,
• 29:15
  that's nice to have a local scene. Luck at you last week because yay
• 29:21
  were sick lame, Yeah, I both mm hmm. Some of us were
• 29:26
  out of the country, right, No you weren't never mind, I lie
• 29:30
  that was read before. Yeah. Yeah, we didn't know because he didn't
• 29:36
  respond to anything. Yeah. Getting back in work was uh was fun.
• 29:41
  But we're live all as well. Back into work. I'm gonna tell you
• 29:47
  your event Dres sounded like it was a blast. It's a bummer that we
• 29:51
  weren't there, but I'm glad one you helped to sport the local store with
• 29:55
  a few you know, additional deck sales. But seventeen is a really respectable
• 29:59
  number to have. So yeah, seventeen times four, I guess fours,
• 30:03
  So yeah, it's quite a bit. But beyond that, we got more
• 30:10
  organized play news. I don't know who wrote this article that it's saying news?
• 30:17
  What would what do you want to call it? Then, sheep,
• 30:19
  we got a recap of twenty three. Okay, we got a recap of
• 30:22
  twenty three better like we basically did this article ourselves. Yep, last last
• 30:32
  week or last last week, last week, you know what I mean.
• 30:38
  Facts don't matter. Oh yeah, no they don't. But they did give
• 30:44
  you a kind of an overview of the twenty twenty three season. Some people
• 30:51
  that got a shout, uh was this just the Winter World champion? Just
• 30:55
  you're gonna have to start from the top man, Yeah, you are right.
• 30:59
  Planning for the twenty twenty four Key Forarde Organized Play season has been underway
• 31:03
  since we've concluded keyfordge celebration last November, and we are excited. We are
• 31:10
  as excited as you are to start new journeys in both casual and competitive KeyForge.
• 31:15
  As we gather the last few piece of November to forge that key,
• 31:19
  let's take a moment to reflect on twenty twenty three key forde o P season.
• 31:25
  Now, according to Sheep, there's no evidence of anything, but according
• 31:29
  to believing in the words that are here, there shall be both casual and
• 31:33
  competitive forging, meaning we should have organized replay to twenty twenty two announcements.
• 31:41
  Organized play in twenty twenty three was a build up year in many respects.
• 31:48
  We focused our efforts on reviving high level competitive events for a game that had
• 31:52
  not had that type of publisher support, publisher level support for almost three years.
• 31:59
  These were big, splashy, joyous events for those of you who have
• 32:04
  stuck with the game for so long. In that regard, we consider the
• 32:07
  season of success. Archives heard the call and we are extremely pleased to see
• 32:13
  you. That's true. Key Insights Ancient Battlegrounds. I don't know why they
• 32:22
  named it that. Three major types of competitive car called nhent battlegrounds Wikie.
• 32:28
  I am aware of that, but I don't know what does that have to
• 32:30
  do with this question. What does that got to do with this blurb?
• 32:34
  I don't know. Well, they like to try to use key forge cart
• 32:37
  to do it, and you're going ahead and having your fighting it out in
• 32:42
  three Sometimes it's just you know, you don't. You don't got to do
• 32:45
  that. Just three major types of competitive events were held in twenty twenty three,
• 32:50
  Vault Tours National Championships and World Championships. This year also saw a second
• 32:55
  iteration of our flagship event, Key Forge Bration. There are seven Vault Tours
• 33:01
  events around the world, with five in the United States, one in Italy,
• 33:06
  and one in China. These events welcome to combine seven hundred and ninety
• 33:09
  two players, each competing for prizes and invitations to exclusive to the exclusive twenty
• 33:15
  twenty three key Fords World Championships. Seven hundred and twenty That seems like a
• 33:21
  high number, does it not? That's what that's over one hundred average?
• 33:28
  So what is it? This but that says uned is unique? No,
• 33:32
  no, it doesn't. Mine I know it does not say any I thought
• 33:36
  I went to five? Is that true? Five events? I went to
• 33:40
  five of those events? I would five times. Yeah. I would be
• 33:44
  curious how many are unique versus total? What the total number is a little
• 33:50
  bit more? You know, it's it's higher. And if we say on
• 33:52
  average, I would I would feel most people went to about four, No,
• 34:00
  two people, So you're one hundred and whatever in the the two foreign
• 34:07
  ones like they went to. So let's say three, So that would be
• 34:12
  two hundred and sixty four unique people. I'm telling you at five hundred at
• 34:17
  MAC. Yeah, I think that there is a core group that you know,
• 34:23
  saw multiple different vts, But I don't think that that number is again,
• 34:28
  we went This says twelve different countries held national championships with approximately five hundred
• 34:34
  participants. They crowned twenty three national championships. The window of opportunity to sign
• 34:39
  up for these and run these was smaller than we would have liked. Yet
• 34:44
  we're extremely thankful for the international partners who rose to the occasion. We're also
• 34:49
  pleased with the turnout for these events, the World Championship game, right,
• 34:57
  given given that time frame, it's it wasn't so them saying that they're happy
• 35:05
  with that is meaningful to One of the things I've pertained is like, are
• 35:08
  these numbers good enough? Don't? In this article it says they're pleased.
• 35:15
  Pleased means good enough? Well, I mean we'll get to that. Keep
• 35:23
  going, keep should I should I write that? I was all right,
• 35:29
  right, you sort of can't can't you can't write be like and you guys
• 35:34
  kind of sucked this year. I mean, this isn't a this isn't a
• 35:37
  key Forge player review seession like your performance review if you so, if you're
• 35:45
  about to release one half the number of events this year, it's when the
• 35:51
  language was you know, attendance wasn't where we were hoping it would be,
• 35:53
  or something to that. I think you can put that either they go no,
• 36:00
  they don't need to, so I'm I'm gonna be honest, I'm less
• 36:04
  cheap on this. In my opinion, if they were not pleased, they
• 36:07
  simply would have left the last line out. They could have stopped right after
• 36:09
  that. Yet we are extremely thankful for the international partners who rose to the
• 36:13
  occasion. Done period, end of story. But because they added in the
• 36:16
  additional sentence. Again, we're gonna look into this further, which we probably
• 36:21
  don't need to, and there's you know, some theory crafting here, but
• 36:24
  we're also pleased with the turnout for these events. That sentence was not necessary,
• 36:29
  and so by putting it in is a huge boost for us. In
• 36:35
  I'm gonna tell you or is it just I'm not gonna call it, I'm
• 36:40
  gonna tell you. That is better. That is better than going ahead and
• 36:45
  not having it there. I think that is That's that line is important to
• 36:49
  me. It shows a positive at that the company sees it as positive that
• 36:54
  they were successful. We don't have a lot of insight into what they are
• 37:00
  claiming is successful or not, so them coming out and actually saying we're pleased
• 37:06
  that is a positive statement. The World Championship comprised of two prestigious invite only
• 37:13
  events at Keyfoorde Celebration twenty twenty three, each featuring thirty two players sixty four
• 37:17
  total from around the world. Many international players travel to compete, which truly
• 37:22
  made the event a global competition, which thus crown the first two champions of
• 37:27
  KeyForge ever Donuts Dad Us with the powerful key Production Alliance and Dorian eleven Italy
• 37:34
  with his ARCon It's add Italian name here. Yeah, finally your song,
• 37:42
  Yeah song. Finally We're announced. We announced the plans for making the Big
• 37:47
  key Forge Party Keyfordge Celebration, an annual event where you will be able to
• 37:52
  come and celebrate the game you love with the people you enjoy for as long
• 37:57
  as we make KeyForge, you know, as long as we make key Forde
• 38:04
  Celebration will form the capstone for every season in the future, and we'll always
• 38:08
  host the key Forge World Championship. And we kind of figured that when we
• 38:13
  have I thought they said that two years ago that it's always going to be
• 38:15
  kepptforcing it. They're reinforcing it. I mean, we have people who've already
• 38:21
  qualified for next year, So let's talk about lines that didn't really needed to
• 38:25
  need to be added in there. For as long as we make key Forge,
• 38:35
  are you not? How are you going to keep meeting? If it's
• 38:38
  not making key Forge, then it's going to be a fan run event,
• 38:42
  which well would then not kind of be a thing that we already would assume,
• 38:46
  like if they're not, I mean, isn't that kind of an assumption,
• 38:49
  Like if they're not making key Forge anymore, Look, they're not going
• 38:52
  to try running it. They're trying to find words to reassure the complainers on
• 38:58
  this podcast that they plan on doing it for a real long time. Yeah,
• 39:02
  he did the exact opposite by adding that verbiage, and they're completely I
• 39:07
  don't know, that's nitpicky. I feel like I feel like we're crappy.
• 39:13
  We're crappy English professors being like find the meaning of this book, which clearly
• 39:16
  has no actual meaning, but it's an assignment. Is that what you put
• 39:27
  on your Lord of the Flies? That this book has no beating and you
• 39:30
  got you're just like now. Books certainly have meaning, but reading into every
• 39:37
  sentence the way they want you to in your stupid English Lit classes is such
• 39:40
  a joke. This is how I okay, it does take away some some
• 39:45
  of the fun of just reading. So interesting listing of how the World Championships
• 39:52
  do they just list Alliance because Alliance is alphabetically first. Is it because it
• 39:58
  finished and they ran that first? It's because this is the hill they are
• 40:02
  going to die on. Well, we see, we see that. Yeah,
• 40:07
  so somebody's gonna die on it, all right. Uh. The two
• 40:12
  primary alliance format the two primary competitive formats and twenty twenty three were Alliance and
• 40:16
  Our Con. They were side tournaments, or there were side tournaments at many
• 40:22
  events that also featured Sealed Alliance as a more casual format. Key Ford Celebration
• 40:29
  twenty twenty three saw the Sealed Alliance briefly rise to the level of a major
• 40:34
  competitive tournament by using the format for the Last Chance Qualifier LCQ. Sealed Alliance
• 40:42
  received nearly universal praise, with many enjoying the way it mitigates some of the
• 40:46
  traditional variants of single deck sealed events. This format saw quite a lot of
• 40:52
  attendance and success across the season wherever it was offered. We noted that that
• 40:58
  bothers me. We noted the players who participated in the LCQ found it particularly
• 41:02
  enjoyable to have high stakes sealed as a new format targeted at new and returning
• 41:08
  players. We have been pleased with the performance of the Alliance format over the
• 41:13
  course of the season. While well ar con see this is where like when
• 41:17
  you say we're pleased, they're happy with ten people. So yeah, So
• 41:23
  before we're talking about the boarding and I was like, ah, I'm fine
• 41:30
  with that, But then when I got to this part, I was like,
• 41:32
  I don't even remember as a format targeted were all right? While Our
• 41:37
  Kinds began and ended as the preferred format of while Arkan began and ended as
• 41:43
  the preferred format of many, Alliance was present at every major tournament throughout the
• 41:47
  year. It was well attended at the Florence of Okay, the Florence Vault
• 41:52
  Tour, and Keyford Celebration. Once the final keys at key Ford celebration were
• 41:58
  forged. Many approached us to express their love and appreciation of the Alliance format.
• 42:04
  Lies Lies, Lies, Lies. How many times? How many times
• 42:10
  did the three players approach? Okay? So number one, they are pleased
• 42:20
  with the performance of Alliance. See, and this is where like we want
• 42:24
  to talk about like we're nitpicking at the top if they were pleased with it.
• 42:29
  So what you're telling me is you are pleased with the thirteen people that
• 42:32
  came to play Alliance at most of the events. Yes, really easily pleased
• 42:37
  people like the there is this human that I saw that in non US countries
• 42:46
  Alliance is doing better than it does here, and they haven't had enough sense
• 42:51
  there to be real meaningful. So maybe it's just not a US thing.
• 42:57
  Could be that it's is stanky. I know it's that. Well, and
• 43:01
  here's and here's the other sort began and ended as the preferred format of many.
• 43:07
  Alliance as president of the major turn it was well to where was the
• 43:12
  part where they were like, oh, people liked sealed Alliance. There was
• 43:15
  no other options, so there, well, I see at least though sealed
• 43:22
  alliances and paragraph two, you're talking paragraph three for just Alliance. What we
• 43:25
  want to be able to look at for Alliance as a whole. There was
• 43:30
  a big debate. Well, I won't even say big debate because to be
• 43:32
  honest, the discord has been pretty quiet over this holiday season stead because there's
• 43:38
  nothing happening. I can't disagree with you, but I'm going to tell you
• 43:43
  as someone who was out of country who actually had some time to be able
• 43:45
  to read and was looking around, I kept coming back going up, there's
• 43:49
  nothing new, and then he clicked on Lorana. I'm just dead. Lor
• 43:54
  Kana is nowhere near from Dun, sir, but continue. I'm not here
• 43:59
  for that, and you're key forward to be able to talk about this.
• 44:00
  But but for me, it was a little bit sad to see kind of
• 44:04
  waiting just for information. The little bit of information that did pop this week
• 44:08
  was in regards to internationally, we have seen more support for Alliance, and
• 44:15
  I can see that from even teammates who are more willing to practice and for
• 44:20
  the attendance at the Florence Fall Tour. I personally took a little objection to
• 44:23
  key Ford's celebration. This, in my opinion, was not we're linking it,
• 44:30
  We're being able to show you're basically offering money to be able to play,
• 44:35
  and you had a last chance qualify. Talking about the world that you're
• 44:38
  talking about the the open like more as a honest thing of count of people
• 44:45
  who because that's where you really had a choice for This is where I'm talking
• 44:51
  about it, Dan, is that after you had your initial people who had
• 44:53
  gone ahead and qualified, the people who didn't qualify had a choice. And
• 45:00
  so you saw that in the Open Alliance tournament that we can go. Yeah,
• 45:07
  and look, I don't know that number off the top of my head.
• 45:10
  I know that there were some that were there. I do think that
• 45:14
  it offers you have a number of people who are strong advocates for Alliance.
• 45:21
  It is definitely not for the majority. And I think that some people on
• 45:24
  the forums took Alliance Open had twenty two banging numbers. M how many were
• 45:35
  ark on sixty five? Sixty five? Right, And that's when you already
• 45:38
  have sixty four players playing in a different event and some of them weren't necessarily
• 45:44
  in the format they really wanted. Maybe that's just a couple of people really.
• 45:50
  Yeah, So like, look, I'm not sitting here saying like you
• 45:55
  need to kill it or whatever regulars. Kill it folks who were disappointed percentage
• 46:01
  wise, if the if A format gets twenty five percent of the crowd,
• 46:07
  that's actually not really that bad. Kill it dead fire. But I I
• 46:14
  don't know, I like they can't be happy with with those numbers. Like
• 46:17
  I like, I got to imagine really what they're thinking. I mean,
• 46:23
  like there's their new great idea, didn't didn't really do what it said bringing
• 46:29
  new players, and wasn't a huge hit with the majority. Was with some,
• 46:34
  but not with the majority of the existing h existing players. Now they're
• 46:39
  I think they're still thinking, hey, we you know, we're still we
• 46:44
  still have the same strategy. We haven't given it a chance to work maybe
• 46:49
  or something like that, because like we haven't done local events yet. So
• 46:53
  I'm thinking what they're saying here is they're saying, Yep, we we're basically
• 47:00
  everything wasn't as high as maybe we're hoping, so we're just gonna say everything
• 47:05
  was good and we're just gonna keep They might be adding sealed that is what
• 47:13
  there's a they're considering it based on what I'm seeing here, Yeah, but
• 47:16
  it's going to be sealed a lions and I just yeah, that's fine.
• 47:22
  I'm still longing for the days of buy three pick one. Why I am
• 47:27
  too, But that difference is it's not it's not the hill. I want
• 47:32
  still choose to buy three pick one, Yes, and then I can also
• 47:37
  choose to slam my foot in the door. You could choose to let me
• 47:44
  slam your foot in the door. I could, I could do one.
• 47:51
  Yeah. I think that there were multiple podcasts and other key forge outlets that
• 47:58
  have gone ahead and talked in regards in addition to us, that basically the
• 48:02
  event when you're offering a new set sealed alliance is just a horrible way to
• 48:07
  be able to do that. You don't know enough of the card base.
• 48:10
  So I think that has already been spoken quite extensively. I think that actually
• 48:15
  offers our largest ability to be able to see just sealed with standard three deck
• 48:21
  pick one for the future. I think there seems to be still some confusion.
• 48:25
  Do that do three deck well, you could do any of those.
• 48:32
  I'm also seeing. I can't disagree with you. I think there also seems
• 48:38
  to be some confusion between local OP and then a more of our vault to
• 48:44
  our large event OP for our local No. I don't want to have three
• 48:47
  deck choose one, only have one style of op. You can say local
• 48:54
  you want, but we don't actually have local op. But what is talked
• 48:59
  about out on the top, And again we don't have any follow through yet.
• 49:04
  But I do believe that Josh is working on I do believe GG is
• 49:07
  working on it. And I see this that there will be both a local
• 49:10
  OPE and I think a larger packaging game phone no no. It specifically says
• 49:16
  in both casual and competitive forging. And so in a competitive format, three
• 49:22
  deck Choose one or our sealed Alliance are those are survivable things? For me?
• 49:29
  I still think three deck Choose one is a better choice. But I
• 49:31
  again, that is not a hill I care to die on. But in
• 49:35
  my local for local stores, I don't want to be walking in having to
• 49:37
  pay three There's it's a it's a limiting factor monetarily for Nobody says that this
• 49:44
  is this is multur high level stuff. Nobody says you have to walk into
• 49:47
  your store by three decks pick one. But but Wookie, that's the problem
• 49:52
  is for some reason, that's what has been told to GG, and that's
• 49:55
  what they're feeling is it's that's what keeps coming out. I don't know how,
• 50:00
  I don't know who is telling them. I understand, but I want
• 50:04
  to be very very very clear for our local to choose. I'm literally being
• 50:10
  able to choose, being able to choose one. You know, here's one.
• 50:14
  Sealed deck is great if you really want to push it. Here's two,
• 50:17
  and you can make your sealed alliance or go ahead and pick one from
• 50:22
  those two. Those are achievable in the monetary source for a quick three hours
• 50:27
  for a weekly night. You want to go to a vault tour or a
• 50:30
  larger event, You're a lot of people are traveling. You're hoping together the
• 50:35
  larger area of the surrounding area around that vault tour area, and you're hoping
• 50:40
  that it's going to be a week long event. When you have that three
• 50:45
  deck what the week law? The week end is really what we're talking.
• 50:50
  But in that manner you're going ahead and three decks. Being able to choose
• 50:54
  one is a more appropriate stance for that larger event. All right, let's
• 51:00
  continue. The one casual event they did run was three Deck Alliance last year,
• 51:07
  which was our pre release. What was great is me and Sheep went
• 51:13
  to one and we went are we doing Alliance there as a pick one,
• 51:15
  and a guy looked at us and go, what's Alliance fantastic? Anyways,
• 51:21
  we're particularly enjoyed seeing the creativity or before we go there. I think I
• 51:27
  still have another objection with this idea that for Alliance, that it goes ahead
• 51:35
  and is easier for new players. And I don't know why why do we
• 51:38
  cover and we were not covering no, but we have covered this multiple times.
• 51:46
  I guess why are we doing it again? Why? Because it needs
• 51:50
  to be dated that when we have an event, it is not new player
• 51:55
  friendly to be able to go ahead and say, hey, you don't know
• 51:59
  the the card pool, go ahead and instead of choosing one and playing it
• 52:05
  minutes ago, like we know, Like I don't think anybody doesn't know that,
• 52:12
  but they are stuck on New players want choice, an Alliance gives choice.
• 52:17
  They don't care about difficult this This game is one of the worst games
• 52:22
  for entry level difficulty. The rules are whack a mole rules. You cannot
• 52:29
  read the rule book and come to the conclusions that you get when you ask
• 52:34
  rules questions like you just you can't do it because the rules don't make any
• 52:37
  damn sense like it's you gotta infer from this card that they did make a
• 52:43
  ruling about that. That's how it's gonna work over here. But then it
• 52:45
  doesn't really work over there. Like this game is about as on new Prayer
• 52:52
  friendly for competitive level play as it gets now casual, and it doesn't matter
• 52:58
  if you get a few rules wrong. This is right. This game is
• 53:00
  all games are fine, Like if you're not really worried about the getting the
• 53:04
  rules right, and you're right, Like adding alliance and having to read and
• 53:07
  understand cards adds nothing to being able to pick up and play this game.
• 53:14
  But there there's like new player thing they're talking about, our new players that
• 53:19
  are going to come to Vault Tours who want choice. I don't think these
• 53:22
  people are real either, but I think that's what they're trying to talk about.
• 53:25
  Not I don't know how to play card games. I'm going to show
• 53:30
  up at my locals. That's a totally different group of people that they are
• 53:34
  not designing events for. So can we have a little questionnaire as we come
• 53:37
  in with your as you're signing into play style, is this your first Vault
• 53:44
  Tour event that you've attended, Because right now I don't see the data to
• 53:49
  be able to back this up, and it seems to keep coming back from
• 53:51
  Gigi, so maybe there's data that they good entry point right now. That's
• 53:57
  the problem is we keep talking about how Vaulteurs need to be because there is
• 54:00
  no other entry point to this game. So that's that's the problem is there
• 54:06
  is not another entry point. And the only thing that you can do with
• 54:08
  this game if you're interested in it, if there isn't a informal local group
• 54:14
  or a formal local group that doesn't actually have press support, is go to
• 54:17
  a major top end tournament. It's your only choice is to enter this game.
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  It's like going to a chess tournament. Be like you can only sit
• 54:25
  with grand masters. There's no separation by skillets. There's is all one bucket
• 54:30
  enjoy like. That's that's how key Forge is right now. It's like,
• 54:37
  just dive right into the deepest end there is. Let's see if it's a
• 54:42
  fun. And the answer to that is no, it's not. Come on
• 54:49
  those of well, no, it's not getting your it's not fun getting your
• 54:52
  ass kicked time and time again. Sorry. Yeah, yeah, being being
• 54:55
  only being able to swim in the deepest end of a pool when when you're
• 55:00
  not ready for it is not a great experience. For I was gone for
• 55:04
  a little while and the game has changed, and getting kicked in the crotch
• 55:09
  time over time is not you know, it's not really particularly let me say,
• 55:14
  kicking you in the crotch is an enjoyable experience. I'm sure it is.
• 55:17
  Yeah, sure it is. Some of us don't enjoy it, but
• 55:22
  we're particularly enjoyed seeing the creativity of keyboard players develop as they explored the format
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  that produced their decks. The season saw several types of Alliance emerge. Alliances
• 55:34
  emerge as arc types, such as in Furnace Control, Dark Ember Value Tempo,
• 55:40
  Mars key sheets, and Legionary Trainer tempo. The format saw some of
• 55:45
  these deck types with win more than others. We're looking at you, key
• 55:50
  abduction, but it's not one note. Players were able to find the variety
• 55:55
  and creativity that we believe is the cornerstone of Alliance, except they're not.
• 56:01
  The set that seemed to support and emerge. Core strategies of Alliance rose to
• 56:07
  be some of the most played sets all season. Winds of Exchange, Mass
• 56:10
  Mutation, and Age of Ascension all had equal top showings despite winds of exchange,
• 56:16
  very consistent showing up as a large portion of most fields. Call the
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  Arkans saw the fewest Shocker Alliance top spots among sets represented sets. Choices were
• 56:28
  a very interesting aspect for us to explore. We're getting into that. Let
• 56:34
  me just finish this please, Unique which key four channel is a semi constructed
• 56:37
  environment led to very interesting choices and an arctype meta game has developed that Keyford
• 56:43
  hasn't really had before. We think this format is a great blend of elements
• 56:49
  that pure constructed games have to offer, with heavy dose of keyboards unique magic.
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  Yes, Call the ARCon got the most kicked through the pants or the
• 57:00
  d T and also one one of the bigger Alliance ball topers. Yeah,
• 57:07
  so tick it to the pants all you want, DTET DT were set.
• 57:14
  I think Vault Masters doesn't show up in this at all. Yeah, there's
• 57:17
  like three decks of vault Masters though, But so you know, d T
• 57:22
  were set, DT were set. Agreed? Okay, ken have you get
• 57:28
  did you guys click on any of the decks that they provided as links?
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  Now? Yeah? Okay, so in furnace control, because this is the
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  that's the first one that ever won. That's Jason's shows up this it's showing
• 57:44
  in Furnace control. There's two in Furnace and Jason and in Furnace and Control
• 57:49
  deck, but it's really in furnace tempo deck. Well, it's the fact
• 57:53
  that he can't name the decks to their actual thing. Oh well, no
• 58:01
  draw archype correct. This is very This is very much an MM PIP heavy.
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  That's what we saw. And I guess that's it is, maybe because
• 58:12
  more on the inside that deck regardless of how he tried to name it and
• 58:17
  how it actually played, the fact that he you know, they didn't hit
• 58:21
  that, right, I think, okay, oh dark, but that is
• 58:24
  the first tour winning deck, right, so it's building okay. And the
• 58:30
  second one is yeah, so that's dark amber value tempo and again you're seeing
• 58:40
  hit that. Yeah, well yeah, it's it's pip. But that one
• 58:45
  was playing the way all MM decks are tempo things with pips, right,
• 58:50
  And it's just the Jason's was and furnished and controls where Gorlamis was more tempo
• 58:59
  through extra draw and amber control. Funny the mars Ky cheat one which makes
• 59:04
  you think you're gonna see a Martian Generosity deck was actually Z's battle pleat Shenanigans,
• 59:12
  and then that Legionary. So if you look Legionary Trainer Tempo, those
• 59:16
  are three separate decks. Mm hmm. That's not just one deck, which
• 59:22
  is why when you scroll over it, each of them will highlight for Legionary
• 59:25
  Trainer and Tempo. But there are three different Legionary Trainer Tempo decks that they
• 59:31
  put out because that is a pretty serious deck. The second one, right
• 59:35
  or no Legionary, that's mine, and then I actually don't know who the
• 59:38
  other to belong to, but those are I think those are all event winning
• 59:46
  decks, right or event winning decks. So here, when we look at
• 59:54
  this alliance, anyone can just grab three decks throw together there and you're gonna
• 1:00:00
  go ahead and be successful. You're making it. Absolutely got it. Okay,
• 1:00:05
  let's move on. As long as the Legiondary Trainers or key Abduction multiple
• 1:00:13
  battle fleets, I disagree with that. I do think it said call the
• 1:00:19
  yeah call. The Arkhans saw the fewest Alliance top spots, and again we
• 1:00:22
  had talk extensively about this because they were absolutely hammered by the restricted list,
• 1:00:28
  absolutely hammered, and so that is no shocker. I am still under the
• 1:00:31
  belief of get rid of the restricted list. Yeah, no, find out
• 1:00:36
  what your problem children are before you make a problem child list. I date
• 1:00:43
  it. How do you know what your problem child children are going to be?
• 1:00:49
  Like, how do you know any of those things are going to pop
• 1:00:51
  up at all and be successful before you actually let people play with it.
• 1:00:58
  There's an innate problem in that we have pods that keep cards together. My
• 1:01:05
  common cards will show up more regularly. So if I'm going to go ahead
• 1:01:07
  and restrict a common card, it may go ahead and just take out individual
• 1:01:13
  pods that I don't need that comment, right, But you can't. You
• 1:01:15
  can't say that like this, you're just arguing the exact same thing Z or
• 1:01:20
  that that what he's arguing for is that the restricted list just ruins them and
• 1:01:23
  there shouldn't be restrict stuff you can do. Like you can't say like,
• 1:01:28
  oh, this card's definitely going to be an issue for me, and then
• 1:01:32
  but like you never actually know knew if it was going to become a problem,
• 1:01:37
  right, like Magic and all these cards don't. They don't ban cards
• 1:01:42
  before they know, Like nobody knew Oco was going to be a problem until
• 1:01:45
  they're like, oh shit, this card is causing a problem, and even
• 1:01:49
  that it took a month to make a decision on it. Yeah, and
• 1:01:52
  what became very evident last year if they're going to follow suit is that they
• 1:01:57
  want to have their restricted list for the whole season and then run with it.
• 1:02:00
  Which makes sense because if you buy a pod or you're investing in it,
• 1:02:04
  it's really frustrating and if all of a sudden it changes. We also,
• 1:02:07
  in keyboards are a much smaller community, and so we lack the data
• 1:02:10
  to be able to show this large amount of you lack the data to show
• 1:02:15
  any of the cards that were on the restrictive list. Bookies. Bookies argument
• 1:02:20
  of like not artificially create a restricted list, like just let it go rampant
• 1:02:25
  for a bit. Yeah, we're very much playing Wizard of Oz. We're
• 1:02:30
  the Wizard, and I'm not saying that like a list shouldn't at some point
• 1:02:34
  in time maybe be constructed. But like you, basically, yeah, let
• 1:02:40
  cards, let them be a problem, and then you can say, all
• 1:02:44
  right, guys, this became a problem. We got to do something about
• 1:02:47
  it, because like all these decks that they're like focusing on and they're kind
• 1:02:54
  of like, oh, these are the decks, and I'm guessing those are
• 1:02:58
  the decks they're also looking at that are like, oh, these might be
• 1:03:00
  an issue coming down the line. There are answers for these decks, but
• 1:03:06
  you baned all the cards that are the answers. Well, I definitely a
• 1:03:09
  lot of older players can't play their CODA because they'd be playing their Control of
• 1:03:15
  the Weeks and time Traveler decks. Those are their good cards and they were
• 1:03:17
  all banned. So it did definitely prevent people from bringing out there. Well,
• 1:03:22
  but just having time travelers and Control the Week doesn't make a deck good.
• 1:03:28
  I got lots of decks with Control the Week not they most of them
• 1:03:30
  suck. I think there's potentially an interesting thought on if there was no banned
• 1:03:37
  list, but it was clear that if anything becomes too successful, it might
• 1:03:42
  become banned. That does an interesting thing to what people would buy and try,
• 1:03:47
  and it might actually reduce people trying to build the absolute most broken thing
• 1:03:53
  by all ridiculous stuff by nature, going to build the most broken stuff they
• 1:03:59
  can to try to win. And I think, and again I think,
• 1:04:00
  fine douce and control the pricing a little bit, because you know it has
• 1:04:06
  a better chance of getting taken away. You know what controls pricing that ascension.
• 1:04:13
  However, hundred percent would ar Con format. Players showed their love for
• 1:04:19
  ar Con format this year, making up nearly two thirds of all attendance at
• 1:04:24
  nearly every event. This was to be expected as a preferred format of established
• 1:04:29
  players, a direct continuation of the format known previously as ar Con solo.
• 1:04:33
  Why is it that it just believed that it's preferred by established players versus new
• 1:04:39
  players. Yes, I mean that's because this is the narrative we're trying to
• 1:04:44
  write. Because facts only matter to the people writing or saying. I've told
• 1:04:48
  you that many times on the show. Facts don't matter. I'm telling the
• 1:04:51
  story like history if there's some truth. Because new players preferred sealed, so
• 1:05:03
  continue. Like the Alliance format, Arcan saw plenty of wins of exchange and
• 1:05:09
  mass mutation. Age of ascension was present. They gotta d it was there.
• 1:05:15
  It did a thing, I mean, more than some other stuff.
• 1:05:18
  It's true, but nowhere near as many were seen at tables as an Alliance
• 1:05:24
  worlds collide and call the Arcans seemed to take half take half the top tables
• 1:05:29
  as the dominant sets, several decks ascended to greatness throughout the season. I
• 1:05:38
  feel like it should I feel like it should be like Pee Wee's playoffs,
• 1:05:41
  like two Wee's playoffs, like The Day is Ascension, Every goes crazy.
• 1:05:49
  Uh. They took multiple wins for a single person, qualified multiple people to
• 1:05:54
  the World Championships, and came just shy of those by making multiple top fours
• 1:05:59
  or debates. These decks and their accolades include your song first placed. Because
• 1:06:09
  I feel we're already past this point, and it's really frustrating when we look
• 1:06:13
  when we correlate data, it says worlds Gliding, Call of Art guns seem
• 1:06:16
  to take half of the top tables, but we keep repeating certain decks.
• 1:06:21
  I think that the more important data point that needs to be looked at and
• 1:06:26
  addressed is how many unique decks are showing up, how many decks per each
• 1:06:31
  of the sets that are unique. I think it's also interesting to see how
• 1:06:35
  many unique pilots are going with those Nobody cares about pilots. Pilots only make
• 1:06:42
  up thirty percent of the issue. Seventy is the deck. You can continue
• 1:06:46
  to You can continue to bang this thing about pilots. Pilots don't matter.
• 1:06:54
  A pilot whatever, second place on top eight at US Championship qualified for twenty
• 1:07:00
  twenty four Championship. Pilot doesn't matter. But that's the exact opposite argument that
• 1:07:06
  Oz provides is that if you look who ran, yes, because you had
• 1:07:12
  different running it, well, right, you had different pilots, meaning the
• 1:07:16
  deck runs it fucking self. It's so good it can it literally take anyone
• 1:07:23
  to a top eight except for dr that never mind. Then, so the
• 1:07:30
  deck is so good it can even take Dras Corps to a top That's a
• 1:07:33
  better joke there, you go, Wow, what about what about all the
• 1:07:41
  individuals who made it to worlds with multiple different decks that were there and multi
• 1:07:48
  they have multiple good decks high teams as, So it just comes down to
• 1:07:55
  they have multiple decks. So it's it's all. So you're one hundred percent
• 1:07:59
  on that this is based on the deck and has seventy thirty zero seventy seventy
• 1:08:04
  thirty. I have said from day one it is a seventy I originally was
• 1:08:09
  eighty twenty. I gave you guys ten percent on RNG. So now it's
• 1:08:13
  seventy thirty I've conceded the ten percent to RNG because sometimes she is a cruel
• 1:08:19
  mistress. I mean, draw better, is that's right, strategy, that's
• 1:08:27
  right? So I mean just saying like it is about the decks, like
• 1:08:31
  you continue to see this same gear song. You guys know it Ooz,
• 1:08:38
  you guys know it, Jacques, you guys know it. Fraud. I
• 1:08:42
  don't think anybody else. Although the nova is make is winning all that with
• 1:08:46
  John, we have someone here on the cast. How did Jacques work for
• 1:08:51
  you? She that's because he can only play combo. But but but you're
• 1:08:59
  going ahead and saying it's the I don't understand. So you have one deck
• 1:09:03
  that proves your point, and I have three sitting in front of me.
• 1:09:09
  Let's say otherwise I can try many, many, many, many, many
• 1:09:14
  different decks that can go ahead and improve differently. But okay, there are
• 1:09:18
  many different decks. Nobody's arguing that, But there are a collection of decks
• 1:09:26
  that are very consistently thinking. Now, I don't even know what the hell
• 1:09:30
  we are arguing about here, So I don't even know what you two guys
• 1:09:35
  are even trying. What point you guys are trying to be trying to tell
• 1:09:40
  me. This is the classic key Forge argument, and it's all about the
• 1:09:44
  player. It's about the trainer, not the pokemon. But it can be
• 1:09:48
  great, but it's not on the player. But it's also not a seventy
• 1:09:54
  thirty split. It is what would you say? What? What? What?
• 1:09:59
  Why do we care? That has nothing to do with what we're even
• 1:10:01
  trying to talk about right now. We can't get into the sutley that you're
• 1:10:06
  just pulling out from gut, which I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that,
• 1:10:11
  because I'm all for gut numbers, but like they're not going to reach
• 1:10:15
  us anywhere in what we're trying to accomplish tonight. All right, So we
• 1:10:18
  were trying to accomplish last paragraphs so that we had just read. Several decks
• 1:10:23
  ascended to greatness throughout the season, and so that's what you want to focus
• 1:10:29
  on. They took multiple wins for a single person, qualified multiple people to
• 1:10:32
  the World Championships, or came just shy of those by making multiple top fours
• 1:10:38
  or top eights. These decks and their accolades include now as we go through
• 1:10:44
  gear Song, the Ooze that Trains Jacques, and Ping Fraud. How do
• 1:10:49
  you feel about fraud. I'm gonna say, the only reason I think this
• 1:10:53
  list even exists is because gosh, it's because Josh was being like, I
• 1:10:59
  know, Sheep, you sucked, so at least I can drop your deck
• 1:11:01
  name in or the four or these are the four decks that are one hundred
• 1:11:06
  percent getting to send it a no longer legal advultage. This I thought of
• 1:11:13
  recap you want, so let's just pretend the game grows over time. You
• 1:11:16
  want a season recap where it's like, here's some of the big name decks
• 1:11:20
  right like, You're like, no, this is this is what you want
• 1:11:24
  to do. I thought this was written by Josh, and I thought I'd
• 1:11:28
  written by Josh. Yeah, and so to be able, I see it
• 1:11:31
  the same as usual, but that this is the accolade shouting out to each
• 1:11:35
  of those individuals. They're still sucking up. Both of you have suffered more
• 1:11:41
  than others. I love it, they're still sucking up to you. Arkt
• 1:11:44
  is a format which shows the classic keyfard is all or shows what classic keyboard
• 1:11:47
  is all about. Unique decks doing unique things, and showing up to earn
• 1:11:53
  a gaggle of accolades. The decks themselves were the decks themselves, whereas character
• 1:12:00
  in a story of the season making their own narratives for one event to the
• 1:12:03
  next. We had a great time watching the continued success of players and decks.
• 1:12:13
  Great special shout out is deserved for one player, one very special player,
• 1:12:17
  special to our hearts. This one gives out to you, girl.
• 1:12:20
  This goes out to you who made the effort to attend all US of All
• 1:12:29
  Tour and the US National Championships. Big Z, the prolific players known well
• 1:12:38
  by the larger community key Forge community, was able to reach the top four
• 1:12:43
  of all but one of these events, often using his signature deck pink jacket.
• 1:12:50
  Yep, that's all gonna say, because the rest of that's horrible.
• 1:12:54
  He was dedicated to Arkan early in the season, but shifted to him my
• 1:12:58
  God, I didn't read, but then shifted to Alliance after the Vault Tour
• 1:13:02
  in Seattle. He won Vault to her Las Vegas in the Alliance format and
• 1:13:06
  then participated in the twenty twenty three Alliance World Championships despite also qualifying for Arcan.
• 1:13:13
  Congratulations on a great performance all season, big Z. More Alliance propaganda.
• 1:13:19
  Yeah so so, I wonder if they are trying to They're trying to
• 1:13:23
  spin his story into that, which what the real spin of that story is.
• 1:13:29
  I'm sick of playing at the top tables with my team and knocking them
• 1:13:32
  out, and at going into worlds. It's more of my team is playing
• 1:13:38
  in ARCon than Alliance, so spread spread the field. I had quite a
• 1:13:45
  bit to do with that, and not oh, Alliance is this great format.
• 1:13:50
  He had fun playing Alliance, so yeah, nothing wrong. It is
• 1:13:55
  still key for I dido fun. Yes, I enjoined Alliance for that same
• 1:13:59
  purpose. I didn't want to knock out a teammate. Why well, building
• 1:14:04
  building bust of stuff is also fun, Like it is fun, But I
• 1:14:10
  did not build it. I literally grabbed a deck from Devin playing Hobo and
• 1:14:15
  that's what I played. And then although it was through a convoluted set of
• 1:14:19
  situations, you did play another one of Devon's decks at World. How about
• 1:14:25
  that? True? Weird players play with style Players also saw the interaction of
• 1:14:33
  play style developed by Ghost galaxies sister company through the key Forge competitive space during
• 1:14:40
  the twenty twenty three season. It was used primarily by Ghost Galaxies, but
• 1:14:44
  several international partners were given access to run their own key Forge event as part
• 1:14:47
  of the closed beta testing of play styles. During the season, playstyle went
• 1:14:53
  through many internatives. I don't have my glasses on, don't cheez me,
• 1:14:59
  I don't know my class on changes throughout the season. I'm getting sure,
• 1:15:02
  old man, bring out your by focus. I am getting old. I
• 1:15:05
  actually need glasses now to read things. It's quite embarrassing. Yeah. Changes
• 1:15:13
  through the season, including the introduction of our flagship tournament SAW tournament format playstyle
• 1:15:17
  two L When you are one sometimes your one l O. Gost Galaxies is
• 1:15:25
  pleased to have helped improve this exciting software a new tournament format. We believe
• 1:15:30
  the playstyles is well on its way to becoming a robust offering will use extensively
• 1:15:36
  in the future. Yes, did hurt Call of the Archons preparadex box your
• 1:15:43
  tokens and put your new set of slee er Put on your new set of
• 1:15:46
  sleeves. Because news on the twenty twenty for Organized Play season is coming soon.
• 1:15:55
  There was a lot of there was a lot to be happy about twenty
• 1:15:58
  twenty, but we are committed cheap They're committed to delivering even a greater number
• 1:16:08
  of experiences in twenty twenty four. That means there's going to be more events
• 1:16:12
  boys and more more tournaments, more so plankickets. That means if they produce,
• 1:16:19
  if they produce one, they have produced one hundred percent more play kits
• 1:16:23
  than they did last year. Yeah, but large. There was the pre
• 1:16:28
  release. Oh did they have a kit? Yeah, you know, it
• 1:16:31
  came in a box. It was a chain tracker from twenty twenty. It
• 1:16:36
  said some things on it. I probably, But guess what after There's going
• 1:16:42
  to be more kits, There's going to be more support and just plane sounds
• 1:16:46
  more like a bra than some you know, for some of us, for
• 1:16:51
  some of us people, for some of us people, we do need we're
• 1:16:57
  talking. I would just support. I would like Keyborde underwear and just playing
• 1:17:01
  more more. Do we need to make keyboardge underwear now? Yeah? Would
• 1:17:08
  not like it when the fuzzy grewing comes out? Yeah, what houses the
• 1:17:13
  undies? Yeah? I mean you should collect them all right, like yep,
• 1:17:16
  unfathomable, which gives them all the ideas like unfathomable underwear, just playing
• 1:17:25
  more keyboardge. We hope you join us creeper forging ahead in this world.
• 1:17:30
  We all know and love Arcans as always see you in the crucible. One
• 1:17:39
  thing to note, so for twenty twenty three top finishing alliance decks, every
• 1:17:45
  set almost every set is represented except for DT. There was no DT deck
• 1:17:55
  at all for Arcan alliances. Yeah, and there's also there's also that one
• 1:18:01
  what was that one set that they came out with, Oh man, they
• 1:18:04
  didn't release a ton of it. What was it called the gun vault Master
• 1:18:11
  that's right, that deck that everybody wants, that deck that one person wants
• 1:18:14
  banned, not even an alliance, and then finishing in the arkon d T
• 1:18:20
  d T had too doll. I guess they had some Nationals finish huh,
• 1:18:25
  yeah, that was from the nationals. Yeah. So and then actively not
• 1:18:30
  there maybe one vault Master's deck. I don't know. They the slice of
• 1:18:34
  the pie is so small they couldn't fit a number in it. Yeah.
• 1:18:40
  Yeah, but in the open, wasn't one of the decks that was in
• 1:18:46
  the open that was finishing high. Wasn't that the vault Master deck? I
• 1:18:49
  think that was the one that what's his name went up against? Yeah,
• 1:18:55
  so it took seconds and then you see top finishing decks are define his top
• 1:18:58
  four for tournaments greater than eight and top two for tournaments lesson eight. So
• 1:19:01
  I believe that's where the vault Master king probably more than likely. Yeah,
• 1:19:10
  that is all we know about OP and twenty twenty four thus far. We
• 1:19:15
  have gotten a promise that there will be a World Championship, and we have
• 1:19:17
  gotten a promise that there will be more tournaments, more kids, more support,
• 1:19:20
  and more QUI forge, Okay, I got, I got a question
• 1:19:24
  for you guys, you can, okay, what's going on? So twenty
• 1:19:29
  twenty three top finishing decks, there are ninety four decks representative that circle,
• 1:19:35
  yep, which you'd assume this means top eight. Oh maybe there are a
• 1:19:40
  couple that are only top fours that they collected data. There are also a
• 1:19:45
  few. Yeah, because there's I mean, is on is Oo's on there
• 1:19:47
  three times? Who knows? I guess yes, just I thought it was
• 1:19:55
  a valid question. But yeah, I don't know. But that was something
• 1:19:59
  that Jara was asking about, was is is this unique? Is this like
• 1:20:04
  there were seventeen unique World to Glide daks or there's seventeen decks total. But
• 1:20:08
  I wonder if the Grand Championships were only counted top four instead of top eight,
• 1:20:17
  not a clue you mean nationals, Yes, same thing. Well,
• 1:20:24
  but even there it says there was ton eleven twelve of those, that'd be
• 1:20:28
  twelve at four. Yeah, it says top four for tournaments greater than eight,
• 1:20:30
  so that's forty and then there was seven at eight fifty six and forty
• 1:20:38
  eight is one hundred and four, so that doesn't really add out either.
• 1:20:42
  I don't know. I don't know how you come up with ninety four decks
• 1:20:45
  on this list. Well, they probably didn't double count oohs for example,
• 1:20:49
  right, so you might be able to if you figured out, you might
• 1:20:51
  be able to figureut how many repeats there are. Maybe I don't. I
• 1:21:00
  don't think, all right, well here's what we should do. Certain,
• 1:21:04
  but I don't actually, at least in the US Vault Tours, there were
• 1:21:08
  not one, two, three, four. There were not nine other AOA
• 1:21:16
  decks or nine other cod of decks that I know of, so those would
• 1:21:19
  all had to come out of country, which I guess is quite possible.
• 1:21:24
  Yeah, Yeah, I don't know. It's just I wonder how this data
• 1:21:28
  was collected because there are only ninety four decks in that selection, and there
• 1:21:30
  are significantly less. Right, what's in this other selection in Alliance. How
• 1:21:36
  many are in there? Twenty three? Well, eighteen eight and nineteen.
• 1:21:44
  That's only eighty decks. Now, there were two regionals or whatever you want
• 1:21:49
  to call them that we know didn't really run Alliance or didn't get counted,
• 1:21:54
  but ninety but International Love Alliance an Alliance like even even some of the decks
• 1:22:00
  that finished, well they were switching some pods around in so you can't call
• 1:22:03
  them the same deck. Mm hmmm. So yeah, I have no idea
• 1:22:11
  what these lists of decks actually represent because their numbers don't they're not driving.
• 1:22:17
  They don't drive to like tournament countouts that I that are naturally occurring to me.
• 1:22:27
  Yep, sure, well here's what I think. We're still on track
• 1:22:33
  for them to announce this on my prediction date. What was your prediction January
• 1:22:42
  on our cast on January Josh, uh, Jeremy, whoever's whoever's going to
• 1:22:50
  be announcing this. You still have a little bit of time to contact us
• 1:22:54
  to get on the eighteenth for this, then release it to the public.
• 1:22:57
  You can listen to it live here or you can you know, I listen
• 1:23:00
  to it after the fact recorded. Uh, So, reach out to us
• 1:23:02
  because that's when you guys need to do your ope big op announcement. Get
• 1:23:11
  to it. Mm hmm hmm. So in thirteen days, Yeah, that's
• 1:23:17
  right. I do love the fact that place Styles has moved all of their
• 1:23:25
  damage tokens from key Forge to just lor Kana. That's quite funny. Wait,
• 1:23:30
  what so they took you? You've seen the place Styles damage and all
• 1:23:34
  their stuff that for key Forge when they made the tokens. Wait, play
• 1:23:40
  style, I'm sorry, Luxury play style. I should probably say that Luxury
• 1:23:44
  play style. Yeah, oh, because they Yeah, they made him purple.
• 1:23:45
  I did see that. Humorous Yeah, I actually stopped by their booth
• 1:23:50
  at pack some plug aspect key Forge. They said they didn't bring any.
• 1:23:55
  Now, now, you guys say my deck showed up on a list and
• 1:23:58
  keep threatened to take it away from me, which ye, thanks guys.
• 1:24:01
  The only person the only person who's threatening to take it away from you is
• 1:24:06
  me. Okay, what are you gonna do about taking away Alliance dex Because
• 1:24:12
  there was one Alliance pod that showed up in many and one multiple. But
• 1:24:18
  that's the best format ever and nothing's wrong with it, So why would you
• 1:24:23
  suggest that credit just ShredIt shred it I you know, to be honest with
• 1:24:32
  you, I think it was probably what about a month ago we talked about
• 1:24:38
  that Alliance now and I haven't thought about it much since then, Like as
• 1:24:42
  far as like how would you handle I thought about it quite a bit.
• 1:24:46
  Well, it sounds like we can talk about it again next week. Now
• 1:24:50
  it's like chance to defend Alliance for a second, which is I don't actually
• 1:24:58
  see any reason at this point. Now, now that I've suffered through a
• 1:25:03
  season with Alliance, I don't see much value in removing it. I know
• 1:25:11
  some of the disappoint well, there are a small and it is small.
• 1:25:16
  There are a small other people who wouldn't come out at all if Alliance wasn't
• 1:25:20
  a choice right now. Those people also don't mean anything to me because I'm
• 1:25:26
  off playing real key Forde while they're playing I don't know, glue together,
• 1:25:30
  key Forde, whatever you want to call it, yode. Ultimately, the
• 1:25:34
  overall success of the game, both of us are meaningful. All of us
• 1:25:39
  are meaningful, right, so there's no problem and I don't The other argument
• 1:25:45
  I've seen, which I think is funk, is that Alliance is why we
• 1:25:49
  don't have Sealed. But I think clearly from the language CTP had put out
• 1:25:58
  previous is I don't think even if we didn't have Alliance, I don't think
• 1:26:01
  sealed would have been a primary tournament format because he had vocally said that he
• 1:26:10
  did not think that was good, right, he did not like sealed as
• 1:26:14
  a primary vault level competitive thing. And you know, hopefully for this article
• 1:26:20
  and the same as like he can take feedback hopefully and he people consistently hearing
• 1:26:27
  that, hey, we want to play sealed and we want to win.
• 1:26:29
  Cool shit when we play sealed means we can have it. Now, does
• 1:26:33
  it have to be at the cost of Alliance? Because if if they so,
• 1:26:41
  just playing quick bullshit numbers with you guys here, we have one hundred
• 1:26:45
  players, right, and a current hundred player event is approximately two thirds arc
• 1:26:51
  on one third Alliance, right, Like that's their approximate numbers, give or
• 1:26:56
  take a little bit. I guess which used to me. I think it's
• 1:27:00
  more, you know, seventy five twenty five. Because my question too is
• 1:27:03
  like how many people went like crap, I might have a better opportunity in
• 1:27:09
  Alliance. Well whatever, I'm just gonna meander over here, like if if
• 1:27:13
  Alliance wasn't offered. Do you know what I mean? Like, because it
• 1:27:16
  just it seems like an odd number because how many people are like, oh,
• 1:27:18
  there's seventeen players over there. All I gotta do is like win three
• 1:27:23
  games and I can make topic. It just doesn't have to do with my
• 1:27:26
  argument. Okay, so we don't need there is some division. I don't
• 1:27:30
  care what it actually is. This is where our bullshit numbers come in.
• 1:27:33
  Right, So if the like and I'm saying like from their numbers, we
• 1:27:38
  say it's sixty six thirty three right now, right, whether whether that's actually
• 1:27:43
  accurate or not. Now, if the two events were ARCon and sealed,
• 1:27:46
  I think your player percentage would be like sixty forty in flavor of sealed.
• 1:27:54
  Potentially, if you had to pick between the two, I think you'd be
• 1:27:58
  somewhere sixty forty, maybe even more like seventy thirty. But I think the
• 1:28:01
  favor goes to see it. Anybody disagree with that? Nope? I agree,
• 1:28:06
  Okay, I agree with you. My question is why are we splitting
• 1:28:11
  we're doing this with our Now, no, you're you're on to No,
• 1:28:15
  not my point I'm making right now, I know, but that's what still
• 1:28:18
  drives me crazy. We're too small. But you also only have so many
• 1:28:24
  hours on a weekend to do things, so you can't run everything one after
• 1:28:27
  another. That's just not that's how that's how I put. That's not super
• 1:28:31
  realistic. I mean, yes, I know, I've been to the three
• 1:28:34
  day Jam events with you. I enjoy them as well. Uh, it
• 1:28:38
  is murder, especially it's murder on a company who is running an event on
• 1:28:44
  four staff members. You can't run that event on four staff members. And
• 1:28:49
  that's what they are running their events on. That's why it doesn't work under
• 1:28:54
  gg sinks because they're trying to do it with no staff. Anyways, even
• 1:29:00
  so, what's the next choice is they put Alliance, ARCon and Sealed,
• 1:29:03
  And I think if you had all three as a choice, say they're running
• 1:29:09
  concurrently, and we're percentages, not numbers, although numbers are a thing.
• 1:29:14
  Like if all three of them there, I think you're like five percent Alliance,
• 1:29:20
  right, like five percent of Alliance players five people, or five percent
• 1:29:26
  pick Alliance five people, pick Alliance over Sealed and ARCon and those two stay
• 1:29:30
  where they are, so it'd be like five seventy and twenty five or something.
• 1:29:36
  And then it's a trash because now your ARCon and your Alliance events are
• 1:29:41
  too small to run, which is why Alliance did knock out Sealed because there's
• 1:29:48
  a fanaticism about Alliance at the top, and they realized they could do the
• 1:29:55
  math of all of them together, and so they said, well, I
• 1:29:59
  we believe then this thing is the future. But so sacrifice. The thing
• 1:30:03
  that's my match showing is you can't really run Sealed alongside the other formats.
• 1:30:11
  No, we can't. We're way too split already. We don't have We're
• 1:30:15
  not split. We're too small. There's just not there is not enough.
• 1:30:18
  There's not enough players and the staff that are there. It's just too small
• 1:30:23
  of a group to be able to support it properly. But it's a combination.
• 1:30:28
  It's a combination. So like, I don't I mean, like I
• 1:30:30
  don't see a reason to take especially if they're going to and if they have
• 1:30:34
  that where there's like a tier of events or something that primarily focuses on Sealed,
• 1:30:42
  which you know we think is gonna be store level stuff. But whatever
• 1:30:45
  that primarily focuses on Sealed with cool prizes, then if Sealed isn't going to
• 1:30:51
  become one of the primary cash, saying there's cash again next year, which
• 1:30:56
  we also don't know. Like, I don't see any reason to get rid
• 1:31:00
  of Alliance. I don't think it. I don't think it is actually detracting
• 1:31:09
  that much from the overall event by those twenty or thirty players not playing in
• 1:31:15
  the primary. But I really do believe Alliance is the reason we don't have
• 1:31:19
  Sealed. I don't think that is true at all. I don't think there
• 1:31:25
  was going to be Sealed at those level events because Christian Peterson does not support
• 1:31:30
  Sealed as the primary tournament. Well guess what. You have a vocal community
• 1:31:34
  that says sealed is important to us. Well, it might change this.
• 1:31:38
  But sometimes you're just wrong. Yes, what I'm saying. You have to
• 1:31:42
  swallow your words. You gotta take us a lot about that. I know
• 1:31:45
  tons about it, and when I'm wrong, I say I'm wrong. Right.
• 1:31:48
  Sometimes sometimes you got to take You've got to take your advice from Triple
• 1:31:51
  H from WWE. I know Sheep loves it, and that's why I'm gonna
• 1:31:55
  say it. But sometimes you got to take your bite of the ship sandwich
• 1:31:58
  and move forward. My Triple A tire guys never said that to me,
• 1:32:02
  my question, my question really comes what data has to be seen or heard
• 1:32:10
  or presented to gig because at this point, I think all the pick kiss,
• 1:32:15
  I think all individuals here like what what's the goal? Well, you
• 1:32:23
  keep saying, like what what are we going to present to them to do
• 1:32:26
  what to get Sealed back? I guess that for me, yes, that
• 1:32:30
  it is a matter of I just don't keeping that. I don't think.
• 1:32:35
  I don't know, as a Vault Tour level event, I don't you know,
• 1:32:41
  I'm I'm not. I think Sealed is very important. I think Sealed
• 1:32:46
  is one of the best ways to play Key Forge. I wouldn't be heartbroken
• 1:32:50
  if Seal didn't have the same maximum prize as the other formats. Yeah,
• 1:33:00
  you can do it as as boxes. I'm totally in support of Sealed,
• 1:33:05
  right, totally agree with everybody it's critical, but I don't. But I
• 1:33:10
  also don't have a problem with the fact that it is, you know,
• 1:33:15
  like Sealed only requires you to spend enough money to play the game that day,
• 1:33:23
  right, Like our content Alliance sort of have that keep buying more,
• 1:33:32
  but Sealed or yours the addiction. Right, There are people who play at
• 1:33:45
  cash level stuff right that they don't, and even even a lot of people
• 1:33:51
  actually are playing at top level key Ford, several of us are not actually
• 1:33:55
  opening that much anymore because we know it's not a good way to get a
• 1:33:59
  good deck, at least in the old system, like Woe. Change that
• 1:34:02
  around, and a lot more opening from people who were pretty tight on their
• 1:34:06
  opening pret woe open back up, but not all of them. But seal
• 1:34:12
  doesn't require that, Like you don't have to, especially with something like TCL
• 1:34:17
  still existing where you can just click the sealed button and you can play.
• 1:34:21
  You can get all the training and knowledge you need to be good at that
• 1:34:25
  without ever spending any more money than a show costs to show up at the
• 1:34:28
  event. I get. There's and truth to a lot of those people,
• 1:34:32
  like if you're only interested in playing this game in a sealed format, having
• 1:34:38
  to own the deck afterward is kind of a crappy detriment if you're only interested
• 1:34:44
  in playing sealed again, Like if I only want to ever play the sealed
• 1:34:46
  again in my life, owning the physical deck kind of a detriment to the
• 1:34:51
  whole situation, Like I don't know, I got like my Scrooge McDuck pool
• 1:34:55
  of decks over here and I just jump in and swim around. It's like
• 1:34:59
  pretty offen some I mean, yeah, that's it's why ARCon and Alliance are
• 1:35:04
  supposed to be a thing, so you have a reason to own the deck
• 1:35:06
  afterwards, that's not everybody's life and truth, I would say, But again,
• 1:35:13
  like you proved why my idea two years ago was a shit idea.
• 1:35:18
  You proved it right, because like this is your fault. It is my
• 1:35:24
  fault, like, but it proved it right, Like it was it was
• 1:35:28
  just an idea and everyone went nah, and I went nah, you know,
• 1:35:32
  and it was kind of this back and forth, but in the end,
• 1:35:34
  like it proved it, Like putting together bad decks doesn't make a deck
• 1:35:43
  good, like shit plus shit still equals shit, right, so you know
• 1:35:49
  I kind of thought that, like yeah, right, you know, just
• 1:35:55
  it's it does like it still doesn't work, Like good decks are good are
• 1:36:00
  good decks, and they're good decks for a reason, Like you might be
• 1:36:02
  able to find something that's a little bit better, but that's probably still part
• 1:36:04
  of what's already a good deck. So like you're kind of just in the
• 1:36:10
  same boat and the only people I feel like ghost Galaxy is hurting with the
• 1:36:16
  Alliance idea is themselves because because now walking it back is hard and I just
• 1:36:25
  don't I just don't understand why they why we can't just say Alliance, we
• 1:36:28
  tried it, it didn't work, Let's move on. It's not what the
• 1:36:30
  majority any wants or needs. A five or is my gas of actual players
• 1:36:36
  who would then be done? I would like to know Alliance, I'm all,
• 1:36:41
  I'm out. I would like to see the amounts of individuals that are
• 1:36:45
  hurt from not attending large events where it would be sealed in Arcan because realistically,
• 1:36:50
  time is what you said earlier was a major restriction. Why are we
• 1:36:54
  going ahead and choosing between Alliance and Arkan? It just it doesn't make sense
• 1:36:58
  to me. Well, again, totally different topic for a totally different day.
• 1:37:04
  But like I fully feel that Alliance is the reason we don't have sealed,
• 1:37:08
  But I don't think at this point you're getting rid of Alliance ever,
• 1:37:13
  Like it's just not happening, Like this is this is their baby, this
• 1:37:15
  is their grand idea. If we don't, they're gonna, they're gonna,
• 1:37:20
  they're gonna continue with it until until this runs out. If we don't get
• 1:37:27
  meaningful sealed in twenty four and they push alliance as hard as they did in
• 1:37:32
  twenty three. I will agree that the reason that we are not getting sealed
• 1:37:39
  now, but I don't actually think that was the reason we didn't have sealed
• 1:37:41
  last year. No, I would agree with you that that the primary reason
• 1:37:45
  that we didn't have sealed I was probably product we didn't pushing their idea.
• 1:37:51
  The combination is is definitely there. Right, they're coupled, right, they
• 1:37:56
  couple that he had this belief right, and he's had this thought that sealed
• 1:38:03
  high level play for some reason was bad for stores. And I didn't hear
• 1:38:10
  that argument, or did not. Oh yeah, he said something like that
• 1:38:13
  on one of the casts. I don't remember if it was because stores hate
• 1:38:17
  selling product, well, no, but because they stores want you to buy
• 1:38:21
  the product there and then bring it to the vault. He said something like
• 1:38:25
  that, Okay, a vault exclusive set, you know that you can only
• 1:38:31
  buy the ball. That makes no sense whatsoever either, because okay, so
• 1:38:35
  I buy it at my store and then I bring it to a vault.
• 1:38:39
  That's interesting. It was that makes no sense. No store gives two squirts
• 1:38:45
  about what neck I'm bringing to a vault. All they know is did you
• 1:38:49
  spend money here today? Yes? Fantastic, just always. I have a
• 1:38:55
  real easy way of putting this. There's an open invitation CTP. Come on,
• 1:39:00
  you have open in invitation to come on. We will go ahead,
• 1:39:03
  and your reason why alliance is so great? I would love to be able
• 1:39:09
  to hear this. I mean, yeah, we should. I mean,
• 1:39:12
  I mean, he is a human person. We'll have to be a little
• 1:39:15
  nicer. But if he get comes right, No, no, no,
• 1:39:19
  I enjoy the I enjoy the glaring looks. I get a key forge.
• 1:39:25
  Uh. I almost called it live keyboards celebration. I enjoy those glaring looks.
• 1:39:30
  But we've gone on far enough. I want to finish mocking dras course
• 1:39:34
  point that I'm saying. If the thing was is stores don't like people buying
• 1:39:41
  decks at seal Oh yeah, it's ridiculous. It's ridiculous. Go ahead,
• 1:39:44
  because they then created their tournament format for this year, which requires you to
• 1:39:50
  buy three decks every time, even though you don't even have to play in
• 1:39:54
  a sealed event, you're guaranteed you buy three decks. Plus then there's exclusive
• 1:39:59
  you cand only by their decks instead of a bunch of events being where like
• 1:40:03
  you didn't have to buy a deck at all if you didn't want to.
• 1:40:05
  Instead, they changed it to you must buy decks directly from us to play
• 1:40:11
  at top level tournaments. Yep. So like what you're saying, I can
• 1:40:15
  see some store saying that, but then their actions are completely counter to that
• 1:40:25
  or something he said it, which is which is why when telephone happens and
• 1:40:30
  things get distorted, we've heard many different things. I open it up,
• 1:40:33
  our guns corner, talk to us, We'll bring you on. I'd love
• 1:40:36
  to be able to hear us say actionable things. That's all I care about
• 1:40:39
  these days. Or I far more concerned about that than all all these things.
• 1:40:44
  They're actionable. It's whether the actions was executed. No, that that's
• 1:40:50
  what I mean. Like it's fallowed through and you can actually do something with
• 1:40:54
  it. Like I can say I'm gonna make foil token cards, but it
• 1:40:59
  actually determines whether I actually do it or not. Right, Thanks gays,
• 1:41:08
  Thanks for all your votes of confidence. Thanks you all for listening to us.
• 1:41:11
  What is this? Which format would you like to focus on? Official
• 1:41:15
  play? Oh NKFL poll. That's kind of interesting. So this is leans
• 1:41:23
  a little more international, right, because then it's a split straight down the
• 1:41:28
  middle of Sealed and Alliance our Alliance. I'm sorry our, that's what I
• 1:41:32
  want to say. Sorry. Yeah, first place ARCon and Sealed tiede.
• 1:41:36
  Look what's at the bottom yep, Third place is other so heckx sad,
• 1:41:42
  adaptive whatever. Yeah, this, I don't understand this obsession and I think
• 1:41:45
  Unfathomable said it. Why not reversal, try it, adaptive or something like
• 1:41:50
  that. I don't number one. All three of those are terrible ideas for
• 1:41:58
  top level play, like reversal, try it and adapt Like tryad and adaptive
• 1:42:03
  are just absolute dog shit to play. These are topics for another day,
• 1:42:10
  all right, we don't know. Yeah, what we don't know about this
• 1:42:14
  hoop on your guys' ideas another day. What we don't know about the survey
• 1:42:17
  is because because it's Discord, we don't know how many unique individuals we're voting
• 1:42:23
  on that and only allowed to vote once on Discord. As far as well,
• 1:42:27
  we can actually voted for our car. Yeah, you can see where
• 1:42:31
  you voted on each of those, so you can vote for each number once.
• 1:42:35
  He did not vote for Sealed lines. Actually wait, Sealed Alliance actually
• 1:42:40
  have the third most voids, but it's still because it's still sealed. Give
• 1:42:45
  given the opportunity of like, do would I rather have sealed Alliance or no
• 1:42:49
  sealed at all? Of course I'll take your dogship format and play it as
• 1:42:56
  opposed to not having any sealed Just saying, I just I long for the
• 1:43:02
  days of buy three, pick one. That's all. That's all. I
• 1:43:06
  want that back. Please bring it back. We appreciate that key for it
• 1:43:12
  is still here. We appreciate that we had big events last season. I
• 1:43:15
  look forward to the follow through on what was talking about here today. Mm
• 1:43:19
  hmm. All right, with that being said, we'll see y'all next time.
• 1:43:28
  Happy forging everyone, May the forge be with you. I'm getting naked.
• 1:43:34
  Thank you talking like a time on bringing down the nice con. We'll
• 1:43:47
  get your friends off of this class. Last come mine chain locking the strain walls