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Will You Just Stand Still? Part 2 (S4 E22 "Raincoats and Recipes”) · I Am All In with Scott Patterson

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Speaker 1: I am all in. Oh, I am all in with
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Speaker 1: Scott Patterson, an iHeartRadio podcast All Right Everybody, Part two
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Speaker 1: of the season finale Raincoats and Recipes. We got into
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Speaker 1: a bit of a discussion amongst ourselves and we decided
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Speaker 1: we're going to need a part two to just unpack
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Speaker 1: all this. Anyway, Amy, pick up where you left off.
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Speaker 1: You were you were, Oh, here's the thing. I think
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Speaker 1: that I understand what you're saying. Like, I like Rory
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Speaker 1: and Dean too, and I think Jared pattack he's a
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Speaker 1: total babe, and I'm like, kiss, I love it, right,
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Speaker 1: But it's the heartache coming that could be so avoided
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Speaker 1: for Rory if she wasn't making dumb decisions. And Dean
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Speaker 1: it's like she's she's it's very bad. What has happened
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Speaker 1: between Lorelae and Rory that is not good, which we'll
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Speaker 1: talk about, but also the importance of the final scene
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Speaker 1: that is in there for a reason that Rory goes
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Speaker 1: out of the house. She's upset, she's in this thing
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Speaker 1: with her mom, and she calls Dean her boyfriend and
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Speaker 1: quote not at all because Lindsay answers, and then she
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Speaker 1: has that moment that realization of Oh, like, I don't
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Speaker 1: want to say it. How about she screwed up? How
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Speaker 1: about an alternate version of that final scene and let
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Speaker 1: me just put this on your plate and see if
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Speaker 1: you want to take a couple of bites of this. Okay, okay,
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Speaker 1: all right, because I'm going to serve it up hot
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Speaker 1: for you. All right, no silver ware? Are you just
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Speaker 1: gonna have to face eat it? But here we go.
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Speaker 1: What if Flora I didn't come down on her with
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Speaker 1: that lecture and just said to her, I like, where
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Speaker 1: we're going. We'll talk about this in the morning, knowing
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Speaker 1: that anything she said was going to affect her daughter adversely,
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Speaker 1: So why not just say and I'm just spitballing here, guys,
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Speaker 1: I don't know if it's right or wrong. But what
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Speaker 1: about just letting it lay there for the for the night,
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Speaker 1: so that so that Rory could sort it out in
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Speaker 1: her I think, on her own, and then in the morning, like,
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Speaker 1: be a little more gentle about it instead of being like,
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Speaker 1: you know, what do you mean? She is horrified at
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Speaker 1: what her I understand she's horrified, But why are you
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Speaker 1: dumping on your daughter right in the moment and making
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Speaker 1: her feel that big so bad. There is one only
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Speaker 1: one reason why I kind of agree with Scott, and
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Speaker 1: that's because it was her first time. Yeah, so, like
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Speaker 1: it is a very vulnerable like thing and moment. And
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Speaker 1: you know a lot of you know, people in high
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Speaker 1: school or whatever college look like, oh, I wonder what
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Speaker 1: my first time is going to be like or whatever.
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Speaker 1: And Rory painted it out like rainbows and butterflies in
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Speaker 1: her heads, in her head, like she said, I had
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Speaker 1: you know, my first time was with somebody that loves me.
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Speaker 1: Why don't you know? Like so she so she felt
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Speaker 1: like this was like, no, it's it's so, it's so
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Speaker 1: bad thing bad. Think about it, like, it's so bout
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Speaker 1: a year old lady in a bad marriage hooks up
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Speaker 1: with another dude in a bad marriage. Right, that's bad.
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Speaker 1: That's bad. You're eighteen years old and you just slept
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Speaker 1: with someone for your very first time who is married.
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Speaker 1: It's so bad. Yeah, I argue it. It's real, real,
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Speaker 1: real bad, and it is very bad. But but with
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Speaker 1: that being said, like it is such a pivotal sensitive
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Speaker 1: moment for Rory on what just happened. And I although
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Speaker 1: I agree with Loralai and everything she said and how
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Speaker 1: hard she is coming down on her. There is something
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Speaker 1: about there is something about it being Rory's first time
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Speaker 1: that like she wasn't sensitive enough. Oh I don't. I
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Speaker 1: don't know. Here's the thing. I understand where everyone is
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Speaker 1: coming from. And I agree with you, Danielle, because it
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Speaker 1: is like if this was like, let's say her and
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Speaker 1: Dean had slept together before, when they were together, this
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Speaker 1: would be a completely different conversation because they were going
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Speaker 1: back to it. I think because it was her first time,
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Speaker 1: I think Loralai was mad at the situation but didn't
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Speaker 1: take four seconds a second to think about how Rory
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Speaker 1: was feeling. Because for Rory, like you said, it was
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Speaker 1: all rainbows and magic and it was amazing, and then
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Speaker 1: reality said in that she called Dean good mom. If
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Speaker 1: you go, oh okay, let's talk about this, you know
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Speaker 1: about what we witnessed. Is she being a good mom
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Speaker 1: by doing that? I think there's there's no right and
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Speaker 1: no wrong answer. I think everyone's going to handle it differently.
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Speaker 1: Though there was one thing Scott said that what if
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Speaker 1: Laura I never came and had that conver Like, what
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Speaker 1: if Laura I just wasn't there. I think Rory's smart
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Speaker 1: enough where all of that would come to a realization
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Speaker 1: because when she calls Dean, Lindsey picks up. So I
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Speaker 1: think even if Laura she called Dean to prove her
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Speaker 1: mom wrong, essentially she needed him, like you need a boyfriend.
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Speaker 1: And then she's like, oh, my boyfriend's married. Yeah, guys,
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Speaker 1: And she and Rory actually said to Laurel, I I
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Speaker 1: hate you. We have we heard that before. Before she
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Speaker 1: walked out to the door. She says, I hate you, mom.
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Speaker 1: I think she says, I hate you for ruining this
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Speaker 1: for me. Well, I hate She used the word hate.
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Speaker 1: Here's my thing. It's pretty severe. How are we arguing
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Speaker 1: that this is anything but terrible? And no, it's so
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Speaker 1: terribul because two people are living truthfully and expressing their
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Speaker 1: truth and loving each other. So let me ask you this,
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Speaker 1: Scott and society. Do you care about rules or about
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Speaker 1: in the way? What do you care about Rory? Of
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Speaker 1: course I care about Rory, So then why would you
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Speaker 1: ever care about all of these people? No, Rory, do
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Speaker 1: you care about Rory? Yeah? Then why would we ever
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Speaker 1: think this is a good idea in any way? Because
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Speaker 1: Rory will be hurt by this. Now I'm not saying
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Speaker 1: I don't know. Six months down the road, Dean does
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Speaker 1: get divorced. He ends up with Rory. Okay, the pain
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Speaker 1: of this. The one thing that like adults should say
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Speaker 1: to kids is never do this. Don't do this. Listen,
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Speaker 1: wait a minute, don't do this because it's never good.
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Speaker 1: It's always bad, and and not only like look, counselor,
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Speaker 1: if you if you'll approach the bench, counselor Okay, um,
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Speaker 1: I hear you. But here's here are two words that
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Speaker 1: I think for me sum it up. No matter what
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Speaker 1: type of a life you're living, no matter who guides you,
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Speaker 1: no matter what you believe in, we know what's right,
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Speaker 1: we know what's wrong. Okay on the moral morality scale. Sure, Okay,
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Speaker 1: here's here's what I have to say. Life happens. Yes,
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Speaker 1: I agree with that, Okay, and it's it does. It
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Speaker 1: happens to everyone, and we don't always behave in in
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Speaker 1: in a spectacular fashion. So then the question becomes, how
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Speaker 1: do we handle that? What's the best way to handle that?
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Speaker 1: Now we're taking this incident out of outside of the
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Speaker 1: show and putting it into everybody's real life, and that
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Speaker 1: I don't know if anybody wants us to do this
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Speaker 1: is like analysis, paralysis to analysis. But I don't feel
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Speaker 1: like these guys did anything wrong. I don't think. So
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Speaker 1: here's okay, So let's say that that's what life is
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Speaker 1: about out what they're in the argument. This is one
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Speaker 1: of those times, my mat can you see text doctor
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Speaker 1: Goldscher and see if you can do a special up
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Speaker 1: episode with us. Not today, we don't have to do
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Speaker 1: it today, but this week or next week. Because here's
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Speaker 1: the thing, Yeah, Scott, Danielle Tara say we don't care
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Speaker 1: about Lindsay. Just pretend like we don't even know Lindsay, right,
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Speaker 1: So like I'm a believer that like, well we don't
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Speaker 1: because we were not allowed to care about her, for
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Speaker 1: Rory knows they're married. So say, but nobody cares about Lindsay.
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Speaker 1: But this is my point, this is my point. We
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Speaker 1: don't have to care about Lindsay even though, like a
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Speaker 1: good person goes you know, I'm not gonna like hurt Lindsay.
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Speaker 1: But Rory should know. This is what a person man,
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Speaker 1: woman whoever should know. I am setting myself up for
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Speaker 1: pain and in our lives, like we need to know
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Speaker 1: when to not do that. Don't know how in the
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Speaker 1: moment unless you have a lot of experience. It takes
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Speaker 1: a lot of experience. Correct, I get it. They're teenagers.
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Speaker 1: They're never going to do it right. Move would have
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Speaker 1: been You want to know what a baller move would
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Speaker 1: have been? The Rory that we knew years ago, because
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Speaker 1: what's happening is Rory is like devolving. Is that a word? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I mean I don't know if it's a word, but
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Speaker 1: Rory the Rory I knew would have done. And the
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Speaker 1: baller move is fine. Say they're in that the Dragonfly
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Speaker 1: and they kissed. Then she says, you know what, Dean,
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Speaker 1: clearly we have feelings for each other. You need to
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Speaker 1: go get your straight and call me when it's sorted out.
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Speaker 1: And I answer, baller move. But that's the move. That's
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Speaker 1: a person who not only loves Dean but loves herself.
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Speaker 1: One hundred amen, Amy, Amen to that. Yeah. Absolutely. The
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Speaker 1: one thing I will say, we do have to realize
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Speaker 1: is we're dealing with somebody who is un unbelievably immature.
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Speaker 1: And you hear that just so she took both of
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Speaker 1: them totally. But with the topic of Rory right now,
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Speaker 1: because she goes on to be like he was my
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Speaker 1: boyfriend first, like sister, Yeah, well if that is not
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Speaker 1: an argument, Like, what are you trying to say with that?
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Speaker 1: Let's right, let's face it. They're both coming they're both
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Speaker 1: coming out of they're both coming from dysfunction one degree
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Speaker 1: or another. Yeah, he's coming out of his, she's coming
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Speaker 1: out of hers, and they're coming together and they're being dysfunctional.
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Speaker 1: But it's really nice to watch. But what we're analyzing
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Speaker 1: right now is like the behavior and it's just like
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Speaker 1: they're all acting like you're selfish. True, their brains haven't
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Speaker 1: stopped forming yet. They've got another dumb mistakes. When I
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Speaker 1: was that age too, I made plenty of dumb mistakes
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Speaker 1: when I was at age. That's the age where your
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Speaker 1: heart gets broken, where you get where you get, you know,
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Speaker 1: beat up a little bit, and then you'll learn. But
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Speaker 1: here's there's still in a learning phase. So Loralai says
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Speaker 1: what she says, right, because we're kind of analyzing a
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Speaker 1: bunch of things. Rory's making mistakes and did Loralai handle
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Speaker 1: it right? And it's like, here's why I think Laurela
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Speaker 1: handled it right. I don't think Rory's going to make
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Speaker 1: this same mistake again. She'll make plenty of more, but like,
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Speaker 1: is she gonna go sleep with a married dude again? Probably?
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Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think you can ever make
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Speaker 1: that same mistake your first time being with your ex
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Speaker 1: who's married, Like that'll never happen again. I think. I
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Speaker 1: think what has happened here is we did not see
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Speaker 1: a scene between Laurel and Rory. We did not in
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Speaker 1: that moment when she was scolding her daughter. I thought
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Speaker 1: we were seeing a scene between Emily and Laurel. I
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Speaker 1: think she morphed into Emily, and and that was a
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Speaker 1: young because because let me finish, let me finish. Laurel
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Speaker 1: has heard that same conversation from Emily from the time
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Speaker 1: she was sixteen, and she's just repeating it, and she's
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Speaker 1: passing that abuse down to her daughter. Agree. I disagree
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Speaker 1: so much because Emily treats Lorelai irrationally and badly for
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Speaker 1: things that Lorela didn't even do. Rory made a terrible
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Speaker 1: mistake here, and Lorelai is not sugarcoating it, She is
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Speaker 1: not condoning it. She is expressing it in and she
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Speaker 1: doesn't raise her voice. She expresses it in a very
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Speaker 1: eloquent Maybe we pull it up and we read through
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Speaker 1: what Lorelai says, because she expresses it so well to say,
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Speaker 1: to point out to her kid, who's who's like lost.
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Speaker 1: I I'm not disputing what she said, Okay, I'm saying that.
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Speaker 1: I don't. I'm questioning the timing and the intensity of it. Okay,
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Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying. I think I think there's a
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Speaker 1: world where where she can say the same thing the
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Speaker 1: next day in a gentler way, in a more loving way. Jackie,
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Speaker 1: will you pull up the train script so we can
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Speaker 1: see it. I don't know. I think she needed. Look,
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Speaker 1: I understand what you're saying, and I fully respect it.
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Speaker 1: I think you make it. Rory's not some screw up.
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Speaker 1: She's not running. She's at Yale and she's doing well
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Speaker 1: and everything's going well. How do you talk to your
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Speaker 1: daughter that way? That is not She's not a screw up.
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Speaker 1: She's a girl who is obviously very s she's screwing up. Okay,
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Speaker 1: so let her screw up. Let her screw up, and
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Speaker 1: let her, let her sleep on it, and let her
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Speaker 1: come to her own conclusion. She already she already did,
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Speaker 1: like she already made that decision herself. She already did
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Speaker 1: screw but let her but let her okay, So let
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Speaker 1: the screw up ferment a little bit overnight and maybe
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Speaker 1: she wakes up and has an awakening it. But allow
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Speaker 1: her that that space, allow her to come up with
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Speaker 1: her own conclusion and go to her mother and say,
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Speaker 1: you know what, Mom, I really screwed up. So you're
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Speaker 1: the dad right in this group because we're kind of
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Speaker 1: winging it. So your kid screws up. Now, I know
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Speaker 1: he's younger. I don't know what what kids screw up.
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Speaker 1: Let's say he lies, right, he cheated on a test
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Speaker 1: or something. Yeah, I did something bad to stay on
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Speaker 1: the cheating. Do you address it that? So let's say
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Speaker 1: he cheats on a test, right, and the school calls
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Speaker 1: me Nick, doesn't shade, he doesn't, he doesn't need I know,
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Speaker 1: give me, give just allow me the makeup story. I'll
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Speaker 1: tell you. I'll tell your kid right away, or do
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Speaker 1: you go okay, sleep on it and we're going to
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Speaker 1: talk tomorrow about No, you do it right. I do
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Speaker 1: it right away, but I do it very gently. I
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Speaker 1: do it very so that's my because you have to
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Speaker 1: know not was she not gentle enough? I think I
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Speaker 1: think she was not. That's why I think there's she
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Speaker 1: is her her she is, that's Emily coming out in her,
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Speaker 1: ripping into her. And I thought that that was a
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Speaker 1: little bit brutal. Look, I don't I don't disagree that
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Speaker 1: it was brutal. I think Lorelei was as brutal as
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Speaker 1: a mom could be, but I think it was necessary. Yeah, okay,
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Speaker 1: so let's look at what so what she says, So
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Speaker 1: this is the part. So Rory thinks the drama is
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Speaker 1: that she didn't tell Loralai she was going to sleep
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Speaker 1: with Dean, right, So she says like, I'm sorry didn't
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Speaker 1: tell you about it first. I didn't know this was
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Speaker 1: going to happen. And it's like, is she delusional with that?
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Speaker 1: Like has Rory lost her mind? That that's what Laurel
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Speaker 1: is going to be upset about? And I think Loralis calm.
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Speaker 1: She says, but he's married. She says, you don't understand, Well,
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Speaker 1: is he still married? And then she says yes, and
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Speaker 1: she says, well, then I understand, and she says it's
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Speaker 1: not working between them. They're not happy, and Lorelis says, oh, Rory,
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Speaker 1: like like she's aren't broken for her daughter. I don't
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Speaker 1: know that she was being harsh. She's just like and
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Speaker 1: then she even gives her another one, like he told
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Speaker 1: you he's leaving her. HeLa was like helping her walk
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Speaker 1: through it? Yeah, like did you realize what? Because because
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Speaker 1: Rory's in this fantasy right now and Lorila is trying
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Speaker 1: to bring her just back to reality a little bit
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Speaker 1: of Like okay, he said this, but like did he?
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Speaker 1: I think? And look, this is really interesting, Laura Leges. You,
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Speaker 1: of all people, the girl who thinks everything through the listmaker,
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Speaker 1: you didn't bother to discuss those things before jumping into
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Speaker 1: bed with a married guy, like she's I think she's
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Speaker 1: showing Rory this is not what she wants to be either.
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Speaker 1: And what about this part, Scott, Like, what about this
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Speaker 1: part where she says he told you he's moving out,
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Speaker 1: that they're getting divot? Okay, listen, Like I said before,
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Speaker 1: I am not disputing the Lurlize right to say these
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Speaker 1: words to her daughter. I'm not disputing this. All I'm
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Speaker 1: saying is and I was asking you to speculate, and
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Speaker 1: we have very successfully. I think is there another time
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Speaker 1: and another intensity in order to have this conversation with
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Speaker 1: Rory like in a real world sense. I mean if
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Speaker 1: you if your daughter did this, or if my son
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Speaker 1: did this, you know, what's the reaction. I mean, the
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Speaker 1: reaction is as important as the incident, right, in terms
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Speaker 1: of how it impacts the child, and how the child's
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Speaker 1: going to process it, and how the child's going to
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Speaker 1: resolve it. Like, wouldn't you rather have your child resolve
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Speaker 1: it within themselves in their own time? Why wouldn't you
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Speaker 1: trust your if you've done such a great job raising
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Speaker 1: your child. Yeah, so all she's reacting to, Yes, I
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Speaker 1: think she's angry at herself. I think she's angry at herself, like,
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Speaker 1: this is my deficiency as a parent, and this is
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Speaker 1: my guilt as being a single mother that doesn't trust
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Speaker 1: you enough. Now, I'm not going to trust you enough
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Speaker 1: to resolve this within yourself because you made this horrible decision.
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Speaker 1: Everybody makes horrible decisions. But who are we as parents,
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Speaker 1: or as a mother, or or as a sister or brother,
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Speaker 1: whoever you know, to come down on somebody that hard immediately? Right?
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Speaker 1: I don't agree with that. I think there's another world
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Speaker 1: where you where you respect your child or you respect
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Speaker 1: your friend to oh this dawns on me the next
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Speaker 1: day or the next two days and you just sort
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Speaker 1: of sit by and you watch, and they come you
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Speaker 1: and say, you know what, I think I screwed up
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Speaker 1: really bad here, And you go, why do you think
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Speaker 1: you're screwed up? Yep, Okay, I them come to the
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Speaker 1: realization there's more power there. So I don't I like
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Speaker 1: what you're saying. And I think there is there is
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Speaker 1: some truth or or correctness what I don't know what
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Speaker 1: the word is to the idea of Lorala saying to Rory,
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Speaker 1: you need to really think about what you've just done.
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Speaker 1: You need to really think about it, and then leaving
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Speaker 1: it and off she goes. So that I agree that
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Speaker 1: there is some right potential there that Rory comes to
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Speaker 1: it herself. But I also the two things can be true,
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Speaker 1: and that I think Loralai handled it in a way
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Speaker 1: that I actually was like, I don't know if impressed
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Speaker 1: is the right word, but I think Laura handled You
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Speaker 1: were just impressed with this may you were just impressed
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Speaker 1: with the scene and how it made pressed with Okay,
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Speaker 1: And that's your soul's parenting or abusing your daughter. Is
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Speaker 1: there a world where you can see that she's abusing
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Speaker 1: her daughter when her daughter is in an emotional state,
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Speaker 1: a completely a vulnerable state, and she's bashing her child
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Speaker 1: to the point where her child goes outside and breaks down.
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Speaker 1: Think she doesn't break down her mom is right though, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: she didn't break down because of the arguments of her
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Speaker 1: mother's right. It's not about her mother at this point.
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Speaker 1: It's about what that child's going through and allowing her
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Speaker 1: to process that all on her own and come to
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Speaker 1: her own realization. Look, I like where you're going with that.
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Speaker 1: I think in a perfect world it would have been
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Speaker 1: better for Rory to realize she made this mistake on
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Speaker 1: her own. But I think that Danielle and Tara are
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Speaker 1: correct and that they're saying She storms off like you
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Speaker 1: don't know what you're talking about, Mom, I hate that
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Speaker 1: you're ruining this for me. And then when she calls
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Speaker 1: and Lindsay answers, in a moment, she realizes what she's
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Speaker 1: done and that Morlay is right. Jackie, can you pull
21:09
Speaker 1: up the script again? We went through it like way
21:11
Speaker 1: too fast. There's some really important things in there. And Scott,
21:14
Speaker 1: I think that you're coming to this from a place
21:16
Speaker 1: of such a being such an incredible parent, right, Like
21:20
Speaker 1: we've all talked about it like your most important, yeah,
21:24
Speaker 1: mission on this planet is to be a dad, right,
21:28
Speaker 1: And so I think it's why you're feeling so much
21:33
Speaker 1: pain for Rory, right because I think that you're you
21:36
Speaker 1: feel what your child feels, right like you're this incredible
21:39
Speaker 1: dad like for people listening, like Scott is the kind
21:42
Speaker 1: of parent that like you can't we can't even describe
21:45
Speaker 1: it in words like he is so it's his biggest life,
21:50
Speaker 1: Like I believe you would do anything, you die for
21:53
Speaker 1: your kid, right, Like dare I say it all in?
21:56
Speaker 1: All in, I think any parent is. But I just
22:00
Speaker 1: don't think it's I think that this kind of thing
22:03
Speaker 1: gets passed down. Now, Rory's going to do this to
22:06
Speaker 1: her kid. Emily did it to her, she did, Laureli
22:10
Speaker 1: is doing it to Rory. Rory's going to do it
22:12
Speaker 1: to her kid. And I don't think it's okay, breaks
22:15
Speaker 1: an erotic chain. Let the child deal with it, Daniel,
22:19
Speaker 1: take your headphones off. Scott. I like what you're saying
22:23
Speaker 1: because I think this is such a pivotal moment in
22:27
Speaker 1: Rory's life. Now. I can't explain if it why, but
22:32
Speaker 1: we all know in the movies that Rory has not
22:35
Speaker 1: achieved what we sort of thought she would, right, And
22:38
Speaker 1: I'm wondering if this isn't one of the pivotal moments
22:43
Speaker 1: that took her sideways, especially you know how we're talking
22:46
Speaker 1: about that she's devolving. Like, I agree with you on
22:49
Speaker 1: that now, I don't want to I'm not blaming Laureli there.
22:52
Speaker 1: I'm blaming maybe Rory's bad decision making whatever. So we
22:57
Speaker 1: will debate that as time goes on. Scott, I think
23:05
Speaker 1: one of the things, and forgive me for saying it,
23:08
Speaker 1: is that because you are such you're such a I
23:12
Speaker 1: don't know what the word is for the type of
23:14
Speaker 1: parent you are, but like you're such a good parent, right,
23:17
Speaker 1: But I think it might be clouding your judgment here
23:20
Speaker 1: with I do think Lorelai handled it really well because
23:24
Speaker 1: she's saying, I scroll down a little bit. Whoever can
23:28
Speaker 1: control this thing? I think it's so important when she says,
23:32
Speaker 1: here we go, she wants to take Rory's side. She
23:36
Speaker 1: wants Rory to stay to her. Yes, he's getting divorced,
23:40
Speaker 1: he's moving out, he has a lower and they've divided
23:43
Speaker 1: up the Monster Truck tickets. But Rory says so she
23:47
Speaker 1: asks her that because I think if Rory would have said, yes,
23:50
Speaker 1: he told me they're getting divorced. You know, they're working
23:53
Speaker 1: it all out as we speak, Lorela might have been like,
23:56
Speaker 1: all right, but what she says, we didn't get around
23:59
Speaker 1: to discussing everything, you know what. And then the ring
24:02
Speaker 1: thing is such a gut punch. She's like, is he
24:06
Speaker 1: wearing his ring? He took the ring off when they slept.
24:10
Speaker 1: You know what? This is? This is a classic case
24:12
Speaker 1: so bad. This is a classic case of of of
24:16
Speaker 1: a mother being jealous of their own daughter. No, okay,
24:20
Speaker 1: let me let me because jealous because she got she
24:23
Speaker 1: got into Yale, and she's finding deep love and she's
24:29
Speaker 1: asserting her independence all at the same time in the house.
24:33
Speaker 1: So she perceived that to be disrespectful to her. No,
24:36
Speaker 1: And I think that's lorealized dysfunction. I have a I
24:40
Speaker 1: have a note on that, because I mean, as we've
24:42
Speaker 1: seen the last four seasons, there's always parallels between Lorlai
24:46
Speaker 1: and Rory. I don't think she's jealous Lorla. I don't
24:49
Speaker 1: think he's jealous of Rory. What I think is understanding
24:55
Speaker 1: and and Rory makes this point by you know you
24:58
Speaker 1: did this with dad and she Mary when Sherry was pregnant,
25:01
Speaker 1: which was out burn. But Lorala did this right, So
25:05
Speaker 1: like we do have to understand this did happen to
25:07
Speaker 1: Lorala and it crushed her. It literally physically crushed her
25:12
Speaker 1: because she doesn't want that for her daughter. You know
25:15
Speaker 1: what I mean saying Lola didn't know her, but she
25:21
Speaker 1: need but or not she was pregnant or not, he
25:24
Speaker 1: was with her, she didn't know that. No, they were
25:28
Speaker 1: on the outs. This is so I'm getting so mad
25:31
Speaker 1: about this because I could be wrong, but I'm pretty
25:34
Speaker 1: sure I'm not. They Sherry and Christopher were sort of
25:38
Speaker 1: it was not they were. They were together, and they
25:41
Speaker 1: got back together because Sherry called Christopher to say I'm pregnant.
25:46
Speaker 1: So any that Rory making that argument today today, today,
25:50
Speaker 1: what years ago. I'm getting so upset. I'm gonna let
25:53
Speaker 1: you're right. I take it back. That was such an
25:56
Speaker 1: incorrect low blow the bride to make and just made
26:01
Speaker 1: her seem more idiotic because it's like, that's not even correct.
26:06
Speaker 1: That wasn't they weren't together. How does Laura expect Rorya
26:10
Speaker 1: to behave in some kind of puritanical way or a
26:14
Speaker 1: correct way. You're bitanical without setting the example for it
26:19
Speaker 1: in her in her how she lives her life, doesn't
26:24
Speaker 1: date Mary an example? Is she setting scar Max Medina, Hello,
26:30
Speaker 1: those chickens are coming home to roost. There's been some
26:33
Speaker 1: inappropriate things going on. Yes, that's her teacher. She wasn't
26:39
Speaker 1: respecting Rory's space at all. Now she's doing it again.
26:43
Speaker 1: How do you expect your daughter to learn the lessons
26:47
Speaker 1: on how to behave in extraordinary situations if you're not
26:53
Speaker 1: setting the proper examples. Were boundaries were her boundaries? They're not.
26:58
Speaker 1: I'll give you part of that, and that you could
27:00
Speaker 1: be right that Rory made this choice because Lorelai didn't
27:05
Speaker 1: teach her better. But Loreli is not crossing boundaries by
27:10
Speaker 1: saying to her kid, who she just caught having sex
27:14
Speaker 1: with a married guy in her house under her roof,
27:17
Speaker 1: Like that is not okay. I don't think Lorelai is
27:21
Speaker 1: a perfect person, right. I think that's the point of
27:26
Speaker 1: this scene. Like, I don't think Rory gets to be Look,
27:32
Speaker 1: Rory did what she did. She slept with Dean, she
27:35
Speaker 1: did it. But all that her mom is doing is
27:37
Speaker 1: pointing out to her he is married. This isn't good
27:42
Speaker 1: and guess what. Loril's right, because Rory went to call
27:46
Speaker 1: her boyfriend that she just lost her virginity too, and
27:48
Speaker 1: his wife answered, I don't understand how we argue that
27:52
Speaker 1: any different way Rory blew it. Rory screwed up, Like,
27:56
Speaker 1: how do we argue that she didn't screw up. Nobody's
27:59
Speaker 1: arguing that she didn't that she didn't screw up. That's
28:02
Speaker 1: not the point. The point is how Lauraa handled it. Yeah,
28:07
Speaker 1: I mean, I thought Laura handled it perfectly, but I
28:10
Speaker 1: can respect that. I respect where you're coming from in that.
28:14
Speaker 1: I do think it would be interesting if Laura handled
28:17
Speaker 1: it differently and said this is major. We need to
28:21
Speaker 1: talk about this tomorrow. And I totally appreciate what Danielle
28:25
Speaker 1: is saying too, where she's like, this is our first time,
28:27
Speaker 1: this is a mess. That's what I'm saying. This girl
28:30
Speaker 1: needs to go straight to therapy. This is a mess. Yeah. Yeah,
28:34
Speaker 1: Well if she goes to therapy, then we don't really
28:36
Speaker 1: have a show. Imaguarian therapy totally. But it puts such
28:44
Speaker 1: a damper on the Luke Lorelai thing too. I agree.
28:50
Speaker 1: I do agree with that we're on this high right
28:53
Speaker 1: which we haven't even talked about this yet. Like we're
28:56
Speaker 1: on this high, this amazing moment, amazing moment. And here's
29:01
Speaker 1: the other thing. Scott Patterson slash Luke Danes. You know
29:06
Speaker 1: who does right? Luke? Luke does it right. He was
29:11
Speaker 1: not He was not going to go try to kiss
29:14
Speaker 1: her when she he thought she was still with Digger.
29:17
Speaker 1: He says to her, I'm doing everything right and you're
29:20
Speaker 1: still with Digger. He would have never made a move
29:22
Speaker 1: on her. That's the thing. It's like, yes, there are parallels,
29:26
Speaker 1: and Luke is awesome and Dean sucks. Luke would have
29:31
Speaker 1: never he wouldn't have done He was heartbroken because he's saying,
29:33
Speaker 1: I waited, I did this right. I'm giving you all
29:36
Speaker 1: the signs. He's a grown he's a grown ass man
29:40
Speaker 1: who's a borderline agoraphobic, uh, you know, and social social
29:46
Speaker 1: anxiety disorder. I mean, come on, man, you can't compare
29:52
Speaker 1: the two. But I yes. But that's the beauty of
29:55
Speaker 1: the show is you get this high and then you
29:57
Speaker 1: get this drama and you get this you're feeling all
30:01
Speaker 1: of the time throughout the episode. It's like wow, wow, wow, wow, wow. Okay,
30:07
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not. I love watching it. I loved
30:10
Speaker 1: watching the scene. I'm just yeah, you know, spitball a
30:14
Speaker 1: little bit here, that's all just throwing that in. So
30:19
Speaker 1: now we can move. What did you think? Well, I
30:22
Speaker 1: want to know what the k the kiss? Are we there? Now?
30:26
Speaker 1: Are we there? Now? I mean I think so I'm
30:29
Speaker 1: exhausted by the Rory thing. Yeah, well, I mean I
30:32
Speaker 1: still think we need to dive into Digger. Just raining
30:37
Speaker 1: on the parade and then Richard all right, all right, okay, okay,
30:41
Speaker 1: and Emily all right, yeah that's all right, so let's
30:43
Speaker 1: burnt back it up. All right. So and I think
30:46
Speaker 1: I think I think Digger handles that that un un
30:52
Speaker 1: unforgivable or or or less than appealing role very very well.
30:57
Speaker 1: I think Chris Agaman really because that's a character you
31:03
Speaker 1: just like get out of it. But man, yes you respect.
31:08
Speaker 1: I kind of like coming back, coming back, but I
31:12
Speaker 1: supported it. I was like, yes, he's got a right
31:15
Speaker 1: and he's got a feeling too, and he's expressed him
31:18
Speaker 1: coming back. But he should have been his truth. Man.
31:21
Speaker 1: I think your life said get out of here, and
31:24
Speaker 1: only it was the right time. It was. It's like
31:26
Speaker 1: the timing was everything when she said, like, come back
31:29
Speaker 1: later this weekend, we'll chat. He should have left, but
31:32
Speaker 1: it was her place of work, and I don't think
31:34
Speaker 1: it was. But tim it looks like the only thing
31:37
Speaker 1: that was timed well somewhat was the kiss. That's the
31:40
Speaker 1: only thing that was really timed right. Everything else was true.
31:44
Speaker 1: Oh boy, but crazily it actually loved about when Digger
31:47
Speaker 1: came and Lord Laig brings him his plate of food
31:52
Speaker 1: or whatever, and they're talking, but you see Luke just
31:56
Speaker 1: watching just so yeah, he's like, what is going on
32:04
Speaker 1: over there? And who is this guy? I love Luke
32:07
Speaker 1: for going and sitting down with the guy and and
32:10
Speaker 1: calmly having a conversation like what's your deal, dude? Like
32:14
Speaker 1: what are you doing? Who are you? What are you doing?
32:16
Speaker 1: And then you don't fly off the handle and act insane.
32:20
Speaker 1: You know, he already did that with U with his wife.
32:26
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's true. But that was justified. Though I
32:28
Speaker 1: thought I thought he was gonna, you know, pull out
32:30
Speaker 1: another pair of socks. I didn't realize that there is
32:33
Speaker 1: a lot. There's a lot we haven't covered. Okay, so
32:35
Speaker 1: the Gilmour's arrived with all their luggage. Let's play that through.
32:38
Speaker 1: That's a hot mess, right, they are a hot mess. Yeah,
32:42
Speaker 1: you know, and she finally admits they're separated. This is
32:45
Speaker 1: like the confirmation that they are indeed separated. Right, Speaking
32:50
Speaker 1: of messes, I just love that Luke arrives with the flowers,
32:54
Speaker 1: and a Lie is still just so flustered, and Luke
32:59
Speaker 1: is very cool. He's like, okay, like he's really he's
33:02
Speaker 1: he's yeah, he's under undercover Joe. He's like he's playing
33:07
Speaker 1: a little too cool, isn't he. It's like, you know,
33:09
Speaker 1: he's being romantic, but he's not compon to it, which
33:12
Speaker 1: is he hasn't worn a flannel or something like all
33:17
Speaker 1: of a sudden, Luke's got game. He's got game time
33:20
Speaker 1: a hundred wow with the flowers, but not sort of like, no,
33:24
Speaker 1: it's not a romantic things to say congratulation from the
33:26
Speaker 1: opening up, here's some flowers, beautiful flowers. I'm gonna plant
33:30
Speaker 1: one emulator. But he didn't say it, you know, Oh,
33:32
Speaker 1: he nailed it. I also think there's some really major
33:36
Speaker 1: face acting if we want to peek at it, when
33:39
Speaker 1: Tom comes in in the suit and then we see
33:42
Speaker 1: Luke with Babette and Miss Patty and there's just face
33:45
Speaker 1: acting going on all over the place. Oh because her
33:50
Speaker 1: robe opened, Oh my god. Well yes, but then you
33:55
Speaker 1: have a glance with each other that I thought, oh
33:57
Speaker 1: wow with the look. Yeah, that's some that some baller
34:05
Speaker 1: face acting, as you would say, right to borrow a
34:08
Speaker 1: term baller face acting, right then, baller that was just
34:13
Speaker 1: like staring right at her. I mean, okay, so a
34:16
Speaker 1: little more okay, yeah, here comes the face. That was
34:19
Speaker 1: the moment she knew that she is so cute. Look
34:22
Speaker 1: how cute she is. He's got and Jackson's got the
34:25
Speaker 1: Credence shirt on, and Rory and Jackson are eating their
34:29
Speaker 1: dinner together and it's just also sweet. Wasn't it great
34:32
Speaker 1: to see Jackson once again? There's still good to see Jackson.
34:36
Speaker 1: Some randos that got let in randos like who are
34:40
Speaker 1: those randos? Like those two people, oh Tom in the suit?
34:43
Speaker 1: Okay are those two randos? Like they invite it? There? Okay,
34:47
Speaker 1: here it comes. So there's face acting right after this.
34:51
Speaker 1: The robe bit was hilarious. Couldn't relate to two characters
34:55
Speaker 1: more than the Bet and Patty in this scene their robes.
35:00
Speaker 1: Like yeah, but there's so much face acting. See look
35:05
Speaker 1: at that that. Oh my god, oh my god, rewind
35:09
Speaker 1: rewind rewind the face acting between the two of you.
35:12
Speaker 1: Did you guys go to the school for face acting,
35:15
Speaker 1: because look at that, you're literally having a conversation with
35:21
Speaker 1: your eyeballs. Oh my god, that was it. That's an
35:26
Speaker 1: Emmy Award winning face acting. Okay, so then here comes
35:31
Speaker 1: We're still deal with the like servers whatever. But then
35:34
Speaker 1: idiot Jason comes and I like digger, but like, it
35:37
Speaker 1: was weird. If somebody did that to me and showed up, Like,
35:39
Speaker 1: imagine somebody comes to jingle Ball to have a conversation
35:42
Speaker 1: with me, I'd be like, what that is a man
35:47
Speaker 1: in love? That is a man in love who wants
35:50
Speaker 1: somebody's trying to support her and like and no, he
35:55
Speaker 1: couldn't take it anymore. He was sitting in his apartment
35:58
Speaker 1: staring at his plan for two make her like, oh
36:01
Speaker 1: you sew my parents and now you show like it
36:03
Speaker 1: was a whole thing. And I like that she said
36:05
Speaker 1: it to his face. He was he was just getting
36:07
Speaker 1: used to show the audience how desirable she truly is.
36:13
Speaker 1: I love that bet Bette knew the whole thing and
36:15
Speaker 1: she does the quick one minute catch. Luca the whole thing.
36:20
Speaker 1: It reminds me. Have you guys seen Frozen Frozen in two? Yeah,
36:24
Speaker 1: you know, and Frozen two. When Olaf tells the whole
36:26
Speaker 1: story of Frozen, one really asked, yeah, like that's what
36:32
Speaker 1: beat Beet's doing. She's like, so, first of all, sidebar,
36:36
Speaker 1: what do you think of them all playing the games?
36:37
Speaker 1: The board games? It was cute, it was fun breakfast.
36:43
Speaker 1: I wanted to figure out what all those games were,
36:45
Speaker 1: but we can do that later. I will say. The
36:47
Speaker 1: one thing that I noted about this episode was like
36:49
Speaker 1: when Laura I asked Rory to go get music, Like,
36:54
Speaker 1: by the time the music comes back, doesn't matter what happened.
36:57
Speaker 1: Everyone's going to bed. The night's over, and she's like
37:03
Speaker 1: playing and she was like at the house, like playing
37:06
Speaker 1: back the CDs to pick one. I'm like, just grab
37:08
Speaker 1: a couple of night and then she decides to quickly
37:11
Speaker 1: have sex, Like so yeah, first of all, that's not
37:15
Speaker 1: taking ten minutes, right right right? Wait, we're lor you know,
37:23
Speaker 1: we're Lorly Rory staying at the anner were they supposed
37:25
Speaker 1: to stay back at their house. There's no rooms. I
37:27
Speaker 1: think they're going home. They're going home, Okay, that's what
37:29
Speaker 1: I thought. I also um thought it was a little
37:37
Speaker 1: peculiar to me, and I kind of get we get
37:39
Speaker 1: a glimpse of it, like why weren't the Gilmour's at
37:42
Speaker 1: dinner and like why are they not noticing Jason? But
37:44
Speaker 1: I guess she like sent dinner to their weird cottage
37:47
Speaker 1: or something. Yeah, why didn't they come to the dining
37:50
Speaker 1: room because she because Laura I wanted them to be
37:53
Speaker 1: together to work it out, and in the bungalow way
37:56
Speaker 1: from everybody else the TV you can't find and in
38:00
Speaker 1: the closet. Yeah, Like I'm like, I think she might
38:04
Speaker 1: even have says something about like and then you send
38:06
Speaker 1: dinner to the room whatever. So we sort of have
38:09
Speaker 1: that blow up to where that you realize, oh man,
38:13
Speaker 1: they're a mess. They're not together, they're separated. We finally
38:16
Speaker 1: have that out in the opening they see Jason. It's
38:18
Speaker 1: just like, oh god, this is so You're like, how
38:20
Speaker 1: many more people can walk in h I was glad too,
38:26
Speaker 1: it didn't become like a Threese Company episode of like, like,
38:30
Speaker 1: I'm glad they didn't do like Luke thinks she's with
38:32
Speaker 1: Jason and goes home. Do you know what I mean,
38:34
Speaker 1: like that would have been like the one with the misunderstanding,
38:37
Speaker 1: Like I can't stand it. I like that lad get out. Yeah,
38:41
Speaker 1: You're like and you're taken and she's like, I'm not taken.
38:43
Speaker 1: It's like I'm doing everything right, you know what I'm doing.
38:50
Speaker 1: And then the kiss that was quite something, you know,
38:53
Speaker 1: the whole Now, just think about in this episode, not
38:58
Speaker 1: not the prior or seasons, not excluding that, but just
39:03
Speaker 1: look at the steps, you know, the little baby steps
39:07
Speaker 1: to get to that scene. You know what I'm saying,
39:10
Speaker 1: how many artfully crafted misdirection, confusion, how's this happening? And
39:18
Speaker 1: like I thought you were with this guy and what's
39:20
Speaker 1: going you know? I mean, it's just it's just so
39:23
Speaker 1: amazingly well written, you know, because it's just like, man,
39:29
Speaker 1: they take such care to craft things you don't expect,
39:34
Speaker 1: right because now here weren't like like the moment before
39:38
Speaker 1: the kiss, they're you know, he's kind of going at
39:41
Speaker 1: her like what the hell? You know, it's like almost
39:44
Speaker 1: an argument. I mean, it pretty much is. And it's
39:47
Speaker 1: just such a great way to ramp up to it.
39:49
Speaker 1: And but you just don't expect that, you know, really great.
39:53
Speaker 1: I like how they're sort of truthful, like I like
39:56
Speaker 1: how they're whatever transparent, Like I don't know if there
40:01
Speaker 1: are parallels between Dean and Rory and Luke and Lorely,
40:03
Speaker 1: and it's just like, Okay, I'm gonna go Luke and Lorily,
40:07
Speaker 1: Like Dean and Rory are so irritating to me compared
40:10
Speaker 1: to the like amazing I'm going. I'm going. I'm going
40:14
Speaker 1: with both of them. I love them both. The one
40:16
Speaker 1: thing I found interesting was, and Scott just brought it
40:19
Speaker 1: up that like all these moments leading up to this,
40:22
Speaker 1: like I can't imagine a show right now. Well, first
40:25
Speaker 1: of all, the shows these days don't have twenty three episodes.
40:27
Speaker 1: They're at like ten, but like we've been through four
40:31
Speaker 1: full seasons to get to this moment, Like most shows
40:34
Speaker 1: can't even make it to like season two or three,
40:37
Speaker 1: and like you're here at the end of season four.
40:39
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, like I didn't watch it, and it's
40:42
Speaker 1: like I think I watched like the later years and
40:44
Speaker 1: it's run original run, But like I can't imagine sitting
40:47
Speaker 1: there for four years, week after week, just waiting for
40:50
Speaker 1: them to kiss on the night on the they finally
40:52
Speaker 1: get a kiss on the ninetieth episode. Oh my god,
40:56
Speaker 1: ninety episodes. That's crazy. And that's why I bring not
41:00
Speaker 1: that these poor people back in the two thousands had
41:04
Speaker 1: to wait three months to see what's gonna happen. What
41:07
Speaker 1: did they wait for? And here's the biggest shock of
41:10
Speaker 1: the whole thing. You know, I'm just an actor in
41:13
Speaker 1: a series who got lucky, and I'm taking this great ride,
41:18
Speaker 1: right and I'm getting this great writing thrown at me
41:21
Speaker 1: and I get to act out these great scenes with
41:23
Speaker 1: these great actors. And then it's twenty three years later
41:27
Speaker 1: and I'm seeing Time Magazine, I'm seeing Hollywood Reporter, I'm
41:31
Speaker 1: seeing Rolling Stone, I'm seeing the top ten best kisses
41:36
Speaker 1: in television history, and I'm in there, And how did so?
41:43
Speaker 1: Is it? Because you know, I'm so damn appealing and
41:46
Speaker 1: such a great kisser. No, it's because the creators took
41:51
Speaker 1: ninety episodes to get us there. They took the audience
41:54
Speaker 1: along for the ride, and they will never forget it. No,
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Speaker 1: they will ever their whole lives. They're going to reference
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Speaker 1: Luke and Laureli first time. It's so crazy. That's the
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Speaker 1: first time I've actually really thought about the fact that, like,
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Speaker 1: you're on those lists. What is that? Like, it's wild,
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Speaker 1: it must be cool, absolute mind, you know what it is?
42:22
Speaker 1: I see that and I go, how did I fall
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Speaker 1: into that? You know? It makes me think you hear
42:29
Speaker 1: Henry Winkler like talk all the time, right, like he's
42:32
Speaker 1: that guy is just amazing. He's so nice. It's just amazing, right,
42:35
Speaker 1: and he's winning Emmys for Barry Right and Golden Globes
42:39
Speaker 1: and all these awards. He never dismisses being the fawns.
42:43
Speaker 1: He embraces it. He loves it. He'll sign a picture
42:47
Speaker 1: the fawns. Like, I just think that that's such an
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Speaker 1: important like cool lesson and just like yeah, right, like
42:57
Speaker 1: remember what got you there? Yeah, and you got a place.
43:00
Speaker 1: Don't try to run away from it. And so many
43:02
Speaker 1: actors do that. No, I'm going to ruin my career
43:05
Speaker 1: if I keep you know, it's like, hey, man, honor it. Respect. Yeah.
43:08
Speaker 1: So I don't know, I think that, like I don't
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Speaker 1: want to get all like oh, you know, woo wooie
43:16
Speaker 1: hippie dippie whatever, but like you played a character that
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Speaker 1: is going to that's lasting so long, like like maybe forever,
43:27
Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? Like I was thinking
43:29
Speaker 1: about this this morning when I was getting ready for
43:31
Speaker 1: the show. It's like this was twenty plus years ago, right,
43:34
Speaker 1: or was this just nineteen years ago? This kiss? Okay,
43:40
Speaker 1: it plays as well today as twenty years ago. Like
43:44
Speaker 1: I was, like, other than the weird CDs and a
43:46
Speaker 1: couple of weird cell phones, for the most part, it's timeless.
43:51
Speaker 1: And it's like, oh my god, I mean I'm not
43:54
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, could you I'm not saying it's
43:56
Speaker 1: Burt Lancaster and uh gosh, don't hate me for not
44:01
Speaker 1: remembering the actress. But that kiss on the beach and
44:04
Speaker 1: from here to eternity. Yeah, we'd obviously never seen it.
44:11
Speaker 1: I just ate crowd. Yeah, I must be such a
44:18
Speaker 1: And this is like I've seen this scene so many
44:21
Speaker 1: times of that kiss. Also, unfortunately, I've seen so many
44:24
Speaker 1: times the um the Dean Rory one because it's just
44:27
Speaker 1: so cringey. It's so cringey and uncompass. But whatever that
44:31
Speaker 1: kiss is like on my TikTok all the time. It's
44:35
Speaker 1: just as like around today, I mean, Milo is doing
44:39
Speaker 1: interviews for his new show and is asked about Jess
44:43
Speaker 1: in almost every interview, Like, oh my god, they asked
44:48
Speaker 1: him the other day if he was team Jess or
44:50
Speaker 1: team the guy from This Is Us? Although he kids
44:54
Speaker 1: Jack and then they said are you Rory or what
44:57
Speaker 1: was Jack's wife's name? Um, repect Rebecca And he picked Rebecca,
45:02
Speaker 1: which was a little bit of a dagger. Oh really,
45:04
Speaker 1: I think Mila loved This Is Us. Brought him all
45:11
Speaker 1: the accolades and the yeah and the sure. He tells
45:17
Speaker 1: some funny stories about fans that are like, I hate
45:19
Speaker 1: you over Jess anyway, I don't know. I'm like, so,
45:28
Speaker 1: I'm so happy and so sad in this episode. Well,
45:34
Speaker 1: look the experience. I don't remember. I do remember the kiss.
45:37
Speaker 1: I remember playing that scene. I don't remember the scene
45:39
Speaker 1: that preceded it. I don't remember anything about that episode
45:43
Speaker 1: that I filmed. Yes, I don't remember a thing, but
45:47
Speaker 1: I do remember the kiss, and I just remember being
45:52
Speaker 1: and the both of us. You know, you know, such
45:55
Speaker 1: a good kiss, because I think it's three kisses, right, yeah,
45:59
Speaker 1: I mean, if she ever comes on, if Laura ever
46:01
Speaker 1: comes on, if she can find time and her busy,
46:04
Speaker 1: very busy schedule to come on and talk to us
46:06
Speaker 1: about it. Um, you know, this is the second part
46:10
Speaker 1: of the kiss. We were both watching very very very nervous.
46:14
Speaker 1: We knew that this was a big moment. Yeah, we
46:17
Speaker 1: knew that we had to deliver for the for the fans,
46:20
Speaker 1: you know, and I say, bravo. You know it was
46:23
Speaker 1: it was nerve wracking because then it's a three part kiss.
46:26
Speaker 1: Look at this Nope, it was about to be look
46:32
Speaker 1: at his face, and then you're still the good friend.
46:37
Speaker 1: That's the thing I love about Luke is he's literally
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Speaker 1: just kissed the love of his life and he still like,
46:42
Speaker 1: I got it later guy, Like yeah, Luke is a
46:47
Speaker 1: man of his word. Though he promised Kirk like that happened. Man,
46:59
Speaker 1: I mean this is like, yeah, I would say this
47:02
Speaker 1: is one of the biggest episodes of the whole Oh no,
47:04
Speaker 1: it's the biggest. It's the biggest. There's nothing I mean it.
47:10
Speaker 1: It's the end all, be all episode so far of
47:14
Speaker 1: the ninety this is number ninety. Is it season four? Man?
47:19
Speaker 1: And so so, so we're going into how is this
47:23
Speaker 1: only ninety if we're at the end of season four,
47:25
Speaker 1: twenty four plus twenty two plus twenty two plus twenty two,
47:30
Speaker 1: oh equals what I think it's ninety? Yeah, twenty forty
47:36
Speaker 1: sixty eighty four times twenty two is eighty eight plus
47:42
Speaker 1: two is ninety thank you? Oh my god? One billion
47:51
Speaker 1: is nine hundred and ninety. Did we do equations? Did
47:54
Speaker 1: we do equations? Yeah? We did. And then the person
47:57
Speaker 1: that makes our social videos nailed itself. It's not an idea.
48:04
Speaker 1: It's eighty seven eight seven minute. So I thought we
48:10
Speaker 1: did twenty four the first season in twenty two, So
48:13
Speaker 1: it's twenty one, twenty two, twenty two, twenty two. We
48:16
Speaker 1: did twenty one the first season. Okay, eighty seven, there
48:20
Speaker 1: you go, Yeah, eighty seven, all right, so it took.
48:24
Speaker 1: I guess we're gonna have to reshoot this whole episode,
48:27
Speaker 1: thanks thanks to Wikipedia. I thought it was twenty five.
48:33
Speaker 1: First thing, I could be wrong, No, twenty one, all right, Um,
48:37
Speaker 1: what do you think on this episode? Uh, we're going
48:42
Speaker 1: to assign it to our own measuring sticks? So so too.
48:47
Speaker 1: How many how many nightcares? How many? How many naked
48:52
Speaker 1: Sean butts do you give it? Remind me because we're
48:56
Speaker 1: almost out of time to in pop culture. And if
49:00
Speaker 1: we have crackstaff, I have something for the crack staff.
49:02
Speaker 1: I'll do it, all right, Okay, So Scott who Danielle
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Speaker 1: you go first. I had it as nine point seven
49:10
Speaker 1: five Macaroni and Cheeses. You deducted a quarter point What
49:15
Speaker 1: was the what was a deduction form? I didn't feel
49:20
Speaker 1: good after this episode? Yeah, you didn't last episode like
49:24
Speaker 1: I thought. Last episode was like that. Last episode was
49:29
Speaker 1: my unbeatable. This one did. I did not feel good.
49:33
Speaker 1: You would have preferred that that it end on the
49:35
Speaker 1: night terror kiss and then that's it. You would have
49:38
Speaker 1: felt better. Yes, that's a great, great note about the
49:42
Speaker 1: open season five with that scene between Laurel. I wouldn't
49:48
Speaker 1: have been mad at it either, because I loved I
49:50
Speaker 1: loved Yeah, I just it ended and I was like, yeah,
49:55
Speaker 1: I feel very upset. I'm not gonna lie right now.
50:00
Speaker 1: I'm on a high and I'm also on a low,
50:03
Speaker 1: right right right. It really tears you up. Yeah. Wow,
50:08
Speaker 1: So you're giving it a nine point seven five one,
50:10
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Macaroni and cheeses, Macaronian cheeses, Ta ta what
50:16
Speaker 1: are you what you're measuring? Stick? And what are you
50:18
Speaker 1: giving it? I'm gonna give it ten CDs? Nice? And
50:23
Speaker 1: who what's CDs? Who's the artist? Oh, it's gotta be
50:27
Speaker 1: some in sync and backt there you go U nine
50:32
Speaker 1: point five nine point five either rabbit sauces or nine
50:38
Speaker 1: point five facts because the face actings. I actually will
50:42
Speaker 1: give the face acting ten, but I give the episode,
50:44
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna give it. Am I measuring sticks gonna
50:49
Speaker 1: be Harry eyeballs because I gave Laurelia Harry eyeball but
50:53
Speaker 1: in a good sense, you know what I mean? That
50:55
Speaker 1: was like, that was quite an eyeball, right there. I
50:58
Speaker 1: give her to the double both barrels. Uh, I'm sorry,
51:03
Speaker 1: but this is a ten. And this is no flaws
51:05
Speaker 1: for me, you know, just because I want to spit
51:08
Speaker 1: ball about potential endings or you know, and pontificate on
51:13
Speaker 1: no moral objective occations and uh, has no bearing on
51:18
Speaker 1: how I feel about this episode. I just thought, for
51:21
Speaker 1: the sake of argument, be good to bring it up.
51:22
Speaker 1: But um, yeah, I mean perfect episode and every way
51:26
Speaker 1: my favorite episode. Um, and it's not I mean take
51:29
Speaker 1: the Kiss Out. It's still my favorite episode, very very
51:33
Speaker 1: very on every level. I mean it just and it
51:36
Speaker 1: just had that sort of easy, breezy, delightful and this
51:42
Speaker 1: and did you notice the show was so colorful? I
51:45
Speaker 1: mean all these colors were coming out of it and
51:47
Speaker 1: here we are occupying the Dragonfly and we're seeing all
51:50
Speaker 1: this great stuff coming in and what a great setup
51:54
Speaker 1: for season five. Um. Yeah, Now it's like a new
51:59
Speaker 1: show is every everything is kind of resolved and repaired,
52:05
Speaker 1: yet there's still like there's new loose sense. There's there's
52:09
Speaker 1: Richard and Emily, yes with you know, what's going to
52:13
Speaker 1: happen with Luke and Laureli, what's gonna happen with Dean
52:15
Speaker 1: and Rory? What's going to happen? I mean, just just
52:18
Speaker 1: utter perfection. Um. This episode was written and directed by Amy.
52:24
Speaker 1: Kudos to her. I mean just just really coming into
52:29
Speaker 1: her own as a director and writer. Just you know,
52:32
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Um, I still think we
52:34
Speaker 1: need a therapy session to analyze really impressive stuff, really
52:37
Speaker 1: really stuff. We might have to do that. I think,
52:41
Speaker 1: so yeah, because I want an expert to tell us
52:45
Speaker 1: about analyzing just the way Lorelai handled what Rory did
52:50
Speaker 1: and why Rory did it. Let's have let's have that wonderful.
52:54
Speaker 1: I was going to say that the fan, the fan
52:57
Speaker 1: who's a therapist, because really and there's and yes, get her,
53:04
Speaker 1: she's she's brilliant. She's absolutely brilliant. Um, yeah, have her,
53:09
Speaker 1: you know, have her, let her see this and then
53:11
Speaker 1: she can know Pine or maybe every day she sees
53:16
Speaker 1: it right exactly, all right, So that's gonna do it.
53:19
Speaker 1: Thank you, ladies. Uh Um Tara su Danielle Romo, Amy
53:25
Speaker 1: Sugarman from her San Francisco estate. I believe we're in
53:30
Speaker 1: season five. I can't believe it. It's really flying by
53:33
Speaker 1: is what? Didn't we just start this podcast? What is
53:36
Speaker 1: happening here? We just started? No, we're like two hundred
53:41
Speaker 1: and fifteen episodes and it's just fantastic. All right, Thank
53:45
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53:48
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53:51
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