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BOMBSHELL: Forensic Evidence Links Legal Heir Alex Murdaugh to Double Murder? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace in the last hours, breaking
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Speaker 1: news in the murderers of a mother and son in
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Speaker 1: South Carolina. The mom, Maggie Murdog, and her son seemingly
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Speaker 1: stirring the pot with his dad's legal dynasty. But while
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Speaker 1: we're both found dead outside the family hunting lodge, of
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Speaker 1: course we're talking about Alec Murdog. I'm Nancy Grace. This
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Speaker 1: is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here
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Speaker 1: at Fox Nation. In Sirius XM one eleven. Let's kick
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Speaker 1: it off with Crime online dot Com investigative reporter Dave Mack.
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Speaker 1: The unsolved murder of Alex Murdaugh's wife, Maggie and son
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Speaker 1: Paul is getting closer to being solved. Fitznews is reporting
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Speaker 1: sources close to the investigation say that physical forensic evidence
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Speaker 1: directly ties Alex Murdo to the double hamas side Fitznews
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Speaker 1: sighting sources close to the investigation claims Alex Murdoch is
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Speaker 1: the only person identified as a person of interest. On
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Speaker 1: June seven, twenty twenty one, Alex Murdoch called nine one
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Speaker 1: one round ten oh seven pm to report that he
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Speaker 1: had found the bodies of his fifty two year old
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Speaker 1: wife Maggie and twenty two year old son Paul. Now,
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Speaker 1: according to Pal Murdoch's death certificate, he was killed by
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Speaker 1: death certificate has been obtained for Maggie Murdoy yet, but
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Speaker 1: Fitznews claims she was shot and killed by a semi
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Speaker 1: automatic rifle around the same time as her son was killed.
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Speaker 1: With us and I'll star panel to make sense of
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Speaker 1: what we know right now. High profile lawyer out of
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Speaker 1: LA Troy Slayton, forensic psychologist, author of Criminal Behavior and
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Speaker 1: where law and psychology intersect. Doctor Sherry Schwartz, Professor forensics,
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Speaker 1: Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet on
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Speaker 1: Amazon and Starving Unit series Bodybacks, with Joseph Scott Morgan
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Speaker 1: joining us, but straight out to Dave Matt Crime online
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Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporter, Dave, I mean, I don't know
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Speaker 1: that I need a forensics expert to tell me there's
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Speaker 1: gonna be evidence linking Alec Murdog to the dead bodies
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Speaker 1: of his wife and his son. And I'll tell you why, Dave.
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Speaker 1: We've talked about it several times off air. You have him,
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Speaker 1: Alec Murdog, then arranging a hit on himself. Remember that
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Speaker 1: when he's found bleeding from the head out on a
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Speaker 1: rural road. Nothing he said made any sense about changing
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Speaker 1: his tire, and then he said some guys came along
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Speaker 1: and took a shot at him. Turns out his dope
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Speaker 1: dealer was paid to shoot him in the head. Now,
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Speaker 1: think about it. Think about it, Dave mac This is
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Speaker 1: just weeks after his wife and son are shot in
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Speaker 1: the head execution style. Wow, I wonder who orchestrated that.
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Speaker 1: So you're telling me, Dave Matt that there are reports
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Speaker 1: not of just deduction such just what I just did
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Speaker 1: two and two equals four, but sual physical forensic evidence
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Speaker 1: linking Alec Murdog to the double murder. Absolutely, Nancy. Here's
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Speaker 1: what we've got. At least one of the weapons used
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Speaker 1: in the double homicide of Maggie and Paul Murdoch belonged
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Speaker 1: to the Murdoch family. We've got deputies finding shellcasings at
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Speaker 1: the scene that they're obviously matching to at least one
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Speaker 1: of the guns. But two different guns were supposedly used.
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Speaker 1: One was a semi automatic rifle. We've got agents on
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Speaker 1: the scene at that are searching a river, the Salkahatchie River,
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Speaker 1: swampy area approximately two miles south of Mozelle that are
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Speaker 1: getting more evidence, and we've got again this evidence that
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Speaker 1: ties all of this together. Maggie Murdoch's cell phone is
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Speaker 1: found along a rural South Carolina road just outside the
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Speaker 1: family's seventeen hundred acre hunting lodge the day after the murder.
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Speaker 1: All of that put together is what we're dealing with
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Speaker 1: in terms of physical evidence. So you're saying that from
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Speaker 1: those items and whatever they've dredged up out of the Sakahatchie,
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Speaker 1: you're saying that it's your belief that on those items
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Speaker 1: is the physical evidence they're talking about. And not only that,
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Speaker 1: not only that way, what about a potential gunshot residue
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Speaker 1: test they may have done on Alex Murdock at the
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Speaker 1: time he found his dead wife and son. And did
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Speaker 1: you mention that they towed the company vehicle that night
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Speaker 1: and processed it. Did you say that, Dave mac i
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Speaker 1: am now that they actually did impound It was a
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty one Chevy Suburban that was registered to the
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Speaker 1: Murdoch Law firm. And all of this is being reported
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Speaker 1: through Fitz News, that's where we're getting this information. Nancy
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Speaker 1: Law enforcement on the scene that night, that all of
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Speaker 1: this evidence that we know how this works out from
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Speaker 1: a ballistic standpoint to the residue test. The police are
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Speaker 1: playing this so close to the vest, but we're getting
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Speaker 1: enough information to be able to tie it together to
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Speaker 1: see these links are all pointing back to Alex murdog. Guys,
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Speaker 1: I want you to take a listen to Alex Murdock's
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Speaker 1: nine one one call our cut twenty five d forty
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Speaker 1: one forty seven Mozell Roads. I need to believe my
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Speaker 1: wife and Scott badness. Okay, you said forty one forty
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Speaker 1: seven multile rold In Knowltans, Sir, you said forty one
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Speaker 1: forty seven Moulzel rod In Olten, Yes, sir, forty one
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Speaker 1: Mozel Roads. Yeah, thirsty on the line with me, okay, okay.
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Speaker 1: On a communication and I have an Alex Murdoch on
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Speaker 1: a line, caller from forty one forty seven Moza Road.
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Speaker 1: He's advising that his wife and child was shot. Okay,
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Speaker 1: one forty seven Mozelle Road. I've been up to it
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Speaker 1: now is bad okay? Okay? And are they breathing? No
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Speaker 1: Mariam okay? And he said it's your wife and your son,
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Speaker 1: my wife, and my scorn. Are they in a vehicle, No, ma'am,
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Speaker 1: their own ground out at my canel, Jackie. Do they
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Speaker 1: have the death penalty in South Carolina? I'm pretty sure
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Speaker 1: that they do. Okay, Troy Slayton, high profile lawyer joining
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Speaker 1: me out of la Hey. How is it out there
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Speaker 1: on road? Jo Drive? It's a beautiful day out here
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Speaker 1: in sunny southern California, Nancy m Okay, we tried to
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Speaker 1: give Alex Murdog the benefit of the doubt. Well, okay,
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Speaker 1: you tried. But now that I know, as I suspected,
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Speaker 1: long suspected, he is the one that finds the dead bodies.
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Speaker 1: He is the one that owns the residents where they're found.
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Speaker 1: He's the one looking at a big, fat, juicy divorce
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Speaker 1: from a wife who is likely to uncover during her
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Speaker 1: discovery process, her legal discovery process, that he has been
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Speaker 1: embezzling money from all of his clients and sniffing it
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Speaker 1: up his nose for years. It's all going to come
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Speaker 1: out in her divorce. And they are Murdog guns. We
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Speaker 1: learned that on day one. A source told us day
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Speaker 1: one that at least one of the guns was a
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Speaker 1: murdog gun all right, so what more do I need
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Speaker 1: to know? For Pete's sake? Then he stayed, chose his
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Speaker 1: own suicide, botched, I might add, and lies through his
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Speaker 1: teeth about it until we find out his doper friend
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Speaker 1: is the one that grazed his head. I mean, he's
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Speaker 1: lying about everything. Remember even his lawyer came out and
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Speaker 1: actually said he had brain damage. He showed up in
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Speaker 1: court the next week. He didn't even have on did
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Speaker 1: he have on a band aid? That's some brain injury.
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Speaker 1: Troye Slayton. I mean, what more do you need to know?
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Speaker 1: This man is light about everything, and he's the one
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Speaker 1: that faces a pecuniary Jane money Jane with the death
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Speaker 1: of his wife and son. And now we have Dave
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Speaker 1: mac telling us that reports are Alex murdog is linked
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Speaker 1: forensically physical evidence. I'm talking about fingerprints and DNA to
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Speaker 1: the double murders. And now when I listen to that
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Speaker 1: nine one one call, I mean, I'm taking that with
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Speaker 1: a box assault. Troye Slayton. Well, we're being told that
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Speaker 1: the evidence is substantial, that it's serious, but we don't
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Speaker 1: know exactly what that physical evidence connection is yet to
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Speaker 1: Alex Murdock. What's interesting is that a different gun was
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Speaker 1: used in each one of the murders at the time
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Speaker 1: of that double homicide that happened at the same time.
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Speaker 1: Why would somebody, why would one individual use two different
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Speaker 1: guns on two people at the same time. It doesn't
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Speaker 1: make sense. Well, it may not make sense, but does
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Speaker 1: it make sense to murder your wife and son? Does
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Speaker 1: that make sense to you? Troyce Letton. Criminals do all
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Speaker 1: sorts of crazy things. It's not up to a prosecutor
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Speaker 1: to lurt around inside a killer's mind and figure out why.
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Speaker 1: But things have to make sense. And the problem that
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Speaker 1: the prosecutors have here is they could just confuse the jury.
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Speaker 1: They're charging him right now with fifty one counts. That
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Speaker 1: means fifty one separate crimes and fifty one sets of
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Speaker 1: elements that a jury would have to go through. Try
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Speaker 1: and conic right, don't cut it yet, Troy Slay. The
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Speaker 1: current charges relate to what the fifty one counts you're
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Speaker 1: referring to. Referred to possible embezzlement and misappropriation of funds
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Speaker 1: from his grandfather and great grandfather and father's law firm
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Speaker 1: that was set up for a hundred years and clients
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Speaker 1: and clients who are now finding out that he apparently
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Speaker 1: Dave mac is there a report embezzle funds from a
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Speaker 1: client that was paraplegic and brain damaged. Actually, he was
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Speaker 1: a young man who was death who was in a
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Speaker 1: car accident with his mother and another friend who the
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Speaker 1: accident left him as a paraplegic and in a home.
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Speaker 1: And Murdaugh is alleged to have taken all of the
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Speaker 1: money over three hundred thousand dollars that was due for
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Speaker 1: the death paraplegic man's family, as well as they from
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Speaker 1: his demand's mother and the other person in the car.
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Speaker 1: Hundreds of thousands of dollars intended to go to this family. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: that was a little TMI, but I'll take it. You
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Speaker 1: can never know enough facts, Dave mac. But what you
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Speaker 1: told me actually just made me feel a little nauseous.
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Speaker 1: So Troice Layton, My point is before I dragged Dave
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Speaker 1: mc into this, is that all the counts he's got
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Speaker 1: right now, many of my defendis to say, miss Grace,
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Speaker 1: I caught a little felony, like it just happened. Somebody
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Speaker 1: threw it at you. The fifty one counts he's facing
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Speaker 1: right now. Are all of a white collar crime crime nature,
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Speaker 1: such as ambezzlement. Those are not going to be tried
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Speaker 1: with a potential murder charge, as you will know Troice Layton.
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Speaker 1: They will be severed. Just like in the recent Juline
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Speaker 1: Maxwell case, the persury counts in her indictment were not
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Speaker 1: brought in front of the jury. They were only looking
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Speaker 1: at counts regarding child molestation. The accounts are severed and
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Speaker 1: they will be tried separately. And that is what would
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Speaker 1: happen here if Alan Murdock is ever tried for murder.
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Speaker 1: Do you disagree with that? It's possible unless there's no
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Speaker 1: other co defendants. If it's only Alex Murdoch who is
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Speaker 1: the defendant, If he's the only one charged with all
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Speaker 1: the crimes, then there may not be separate crime. Well there,
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Speaker 1: Grennis severed. Just you know what, I'm not a bating person.
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Speaker 1: Murdoch has not yet been charged with the double homicide
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Speaker 1: of his wife and child. Okay, we know that, we
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Speaker 1: know that, we know he has charge yet, so let's
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Speaker 1: don't waste the little bit of time we all have
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Speaker 1: to gather telling us something we already know. He hasn't
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Speaker 1: been charged yet. All we have right now is reported
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Speaker 1: that there is direct forensic evidence linking him to the
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Speaker 1: double murders of Maggie and Paul, his wife and son.
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Speaker 1: And I'm not a batting person, but I will publicly
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Speaker 1: bet you dollar that if this case moves forward with
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Speaker 1: murder charges, the other embezzlement and financial charges will be
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Speaker 1: severed and tried on another day. Are you willing to
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Speaker 1: take that on? Are you tough enough? Slayton? I'm willing
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Speaker 1: for one dollar? Absolutely, man. Okay, well, you saw it
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Speaker 1: backfired in trading places, so I gotta be careful. Crime
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Speaker 1: stories with Nancy Grace. I want to go circle back now,
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Speaker 1: listen to this more of this nine one one call.
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Speaker 1: You just heard from Dave Mike that there are now
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Speaker 1: reports that direct physical evidence. What that means, there's direct
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Speaker 1: and there's circumstantial evidence. Direct evidence is like an eyewitness
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Speaker 1: DNA finger prepped. Okay. Circumstantial evidence is you are at
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Speaker 1: the scene of the crime. You're the one that reported
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Speaker 1: the murders, You're the one that has a motive, You're
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Speaker 1: your glove was found there on the scene. That doesn't
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Speaker 1: a murder make So that's what we know right now,
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Speaker 1: and with that as a backdrop Joe Scott Morgan and
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Speaker 1: doctor Sherry Schwartz. I want you to take a listen
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Speaker 1: to more of Alex Murdog's nine one one call when
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Speaker 1: he seemingly found his wife and son Paul dead, shot
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Speaker 1: dead behind his hunting lodge with a Murdog gun. Take
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Speaker 1: a listen to our cut twenty six. Okay, no, no one, okay, no, maam, no, maam?
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Speaker 1: House on the outside? What color is your house on
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Speaker 1: the outside? Why you can't see it from the road. Okay,
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Speaker 1: is the house or mobile home? That's the house? Okay?
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Speaker 1: And what is your name? My name's Alec Murdoch. Okay,
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Speaker 1: did you hear anything or did you come home and
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Speaker 1: find them? I've been gone. I just came back house. No, ma'am.
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Speaker 1: We hurry. We're getting somebody out there to you. Okay.
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Speaker 1: When you listen to that, knowing what we now know?
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Speaker 1: What what I'd like to know? And I asked this
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Speaker 1: on day one to you. Joseph's got Morgan death investigator,
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Speaker 1: a forensics expert. How could they what time's my time
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Speaker 1: window for the time of death? And that's so important
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Speaker 1: because Alex Murdoch said that he was at the hospital
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Speaker 1: seeing his sick father, who passed away a few days later.
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Speaker 1: I need to know what time he was there, the
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Speaker 1: drive time between the hospital and the hunting lodge, and
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Speaker 1: the time of death. How do I know Maggie and
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Speaker 1: Paul weren't shot three hours before he went to the hospital.
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Speaker 1: How do I know they weren't shot just before he
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Speaker 1: called nine one one, placing him virtually at the scene
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Speaker 1: of the crime at the time the murders occurred. The
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Speaker 1: time of death is crucial, It's critical. What about it,
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott, Yeah, we might you might not know. We
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Speaker 1: might not know, but slid does. When they showed up
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Speaker 1: at that scene, Nancy, one of the things that's Carolina
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Speaker 1: Law Enforcement Division, go ahead. Yeah, they began to do
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Speaker 1: a post mortem assessment of the bodies. Simply, what that
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Speaker 1: means is they're going to check for all those things
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Speaker 1: we look for, Nancy, the rigidity of the body, how
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Speaker 1: stiff it is relative to riger mortis post mortem levidity,
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Speaker 1: which is settling the blood. And also also they're going
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Speaker 1: to check the body temperature. Now, the reason those things
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Speaker 1: are important is that we can kind of theoretically timestamp
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Speaker 1: each one of those events. So the further, for instance,
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Speaker 1: with algor mortis or the body temperature changes for the
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Speaker 1: first hour after death, our bodies generally lose one point
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Speaker 1: five to two degrees of our total core body temperature
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Speaker 1: in that first hour. After that it bleeds off one
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Speaker 1: degree one degree for twelve hours, all right, So if
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Speaker 1: you think that the body may have been down for
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Speaker 1: I don't know, we're looking maybe the body when they
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Speaker 1: do the body core temperature is maybe at ninety degrees.
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Speaker 1: Then we could suppose that perhaps these bodies had been
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Speaker 1: down anywhere from seven to eight hours at that point
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Speaker 1: in time. And Joe Scott, when the algorithm you're using
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Speaker 1: vary based on the ambiance temperature, the temperature, yeah, it does,
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Speaker 1: it does. And you know the way I explained it
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Speaker 1: is that after that twelfth hour, Nancy, we become an
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Speaker 1: inanimate object. All of the energy we generated has burned
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Speaker 1: off at that point in time. So we're completely and
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Speaker 1: totally subject to the environmental or the ambient environment in
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Speaker 1: which we're in, and that's going to dictate what the
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Speaker 1: temperature of the body is. Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: What they need to look at, God willing they did
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Speaker 1: is the rigor mortis rigor mortis, which means the stiffening
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Speaker 1: of the limbs, the libra mortis, which is the settling
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Speaker 1: of the blood. And what I mean by that is,
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Speaker 1: if you die on your back, your blood is no
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Speaker 1: longer pumping through your body, and it will all settle
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Speaker 1: down to the lowest common denominator, like a glass of water,
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Speaker 1: and I'll go to the bottom of the glass. Same things,
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Speaker 1: body temperature and what else. Well, well, when we you know, obviously,
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Speaker 1: when they get back to the more to do the autopsy,
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Speaker 1: they're gonna look at stomach content too, and that's a
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Speaker 1: measurable that that moves at a measurable rate from our
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Speaker 1: you know, relative to our digestion. So if they ate
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Speaker 1: at six o'clock that night, and depended upon what they ate,
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Speaker 1: you can expect, you know, perhaps the stomach to have
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Speaker 1: been full, all right, because that at that point in time,
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Speaker 1: peristalis is going to stop. The food's going to stop
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Speaker 1: moving through the body. Yeah, and so it's going to
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Speaker 1: be using medical terms. Nobody else on this panel is
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Speaker 1: a medical doctor. Please talk and regular people talk. Yeah, Well,
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Speaker 1: if you've already impressed me, okay, you don't have to
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Speaker 1: impress what I do want to impress though, is this
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Speaker 1: this idea of the settling of the blood, Nancy, Because
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Speaker 1: if somebody monkeyed around with those bodies and move the
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Speaker 1: bodies around during the night, Oh well, I gotta write
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Speaker 1: that down, Troye Layton. I'm going to circle back to
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Speaker 1: you with that. If the scene was staged, if the
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Speaker 1: bodies had been moved, he's dead in the water, I'm
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Speaker 1: telling you. Because a random killer would not think to
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Speaker 1: drag the bodies around or pose them in a certain way.
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Speaker 1: That has to be a known killer. Okay, hold on,
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Speaker 1: got that was it staged? Go ahead, Sorry, just Scott,
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Speaker 1: That's all right. So you know, post mortem lavidity actually
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Speaker 1: start sooner than any or he's appreciable sooner than any
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Speaker 1: of these other things. So if say, for instance, the
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Speaker 1: young Mardal was laying face down, okay, post mortem lavidity
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Speaker 1: would have begun to be appreciable within twenty minutes of death, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: The question is is that after you get outside of
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Speaker 1: that four hour window and you've moved the body, it
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Speaker 1: no longer migrates at that time. What about coagulation of
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Speaker 1: blood If the blood had already dried or not dried
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Speaker 1: on the wounds. What would that tell you, Joe Scott Morgan, Well, yeah,
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Speaker 1: because that again, that's going to be environmentally dependent, bearet
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Speaker 1: the relative humidity and all that sort of thing. It's
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Speaker 1: different being outdoors, so you would have to have all
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Speaker 1: of that information in order to computate that. So that's
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Speaker 1: going to be less reliable. So if you're thinking that
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Speaker 1: the physical evidence they're now saying they've got linking him
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Speaker 1: of what I don't really get it is if they've
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Speaker 1: got physical evidence linking then why haven't they charged him?
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Speaker 1: What do you think the physical evidence is? Could there
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Speaker 1: be a fingerprint on the shell casing, could there be
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Speaker 1: a fingerprints on the guns? You know what I think
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Speaker 1: it is. And here's my big reveal on this. I
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Speaker 1: think this might have something to do with blood stains.
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Speaker 1: And the reason I think that is that remember what
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Speaker 1: Dave said, the young one, he took two shotgun wounds, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: So if you've got an individual, the perpetrator, who is
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Speaker 1: in a dominant position with a twelve gay shotgun, I
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Speaker 1: don't know if that's the gage or not, and they're
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Speaker 1: standing over this individual shot in the chest and the head.
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Speaker 1: Guess what happens? You get a dynamic event with blood staining.
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Speaker 1: The higher the velocity, the tinier the blood stain. Okay,
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Speaker 1: we're talking about very fine, all right, And that's going
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Speaker 1: to happen with a high velocity gunshot wound. So just suppose,
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Speaker 1: just suppose, for instance, he's kneeling over the body and
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Speaker 1: he clutches his dear son to his chest. That's gonna
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Speaker 1: be transferred blood. That's going to look different to the
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Speaker 1: people from the people which sled. When they see him
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Speaker 1: and they take those pictures of him at at the
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Speaker 1: lockup or wherever they took him afterwards, and they take
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Speaker 1: his clothes, which they did, you're gonna have that fine bloodsting.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Sherry Schwartz for psychologist, How often have we seen
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Speaker 1: the killer state that I tried to resuscitate them. I
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Speaker 1: clutched them, I held them to my chest, I hugged them.
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Speaker 1: That's how I got the blood transfer. Yes, exactly. That
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Speaker 1: that would probably be the natural place for him to go.
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Speaker 1: Something else that he said, not once, but twice. One
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Speaker 1: one call that's very striking to me is I've been
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Speaker 1: up to it now. It's bad to me. That sounds
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Speaker 1: like a confession. That's really interesting. I had not noticed that.
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Speaker 1: And doctor Sherry Sports, let me ask you a question.
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Speaker 1: I mean, you're the forensic psychologist, You're the one that
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Speaker 1: wrote Criminal Behavior and where law and psychology intersect. What
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Speaker 1: do you make of a little noticed fact that Maggie
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Speaker 1: Murdoch's phone was taken from the scene and discarded out
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Speaker 1: on the street. It's a good it's a good ways
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Speaker 1: I've been there from the home. There's a really long
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Speaker 1: driveway out to the road, and you can't see the
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Speaker 1: Murdog hunting lodge as they call it, from the street.
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Speaker 1: What do you make of the fact that the killer
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Speaker 1: took her phone number one and then threw it away
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Speaker 1: out on the street. I find that to be very
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Speaker 1: significant behaviorally speaking. I agree that is significant behaviorally speaking. Now,
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Speaker 1: he may try to say, or the defense may try
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Speaker 1: to say, well, that was somebody running away from the
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Speaker 1: crime scene with this particular evidence, but then why not
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Speaker 1: take other things? Really, what it suggests is possibly what
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan is saying, that it might be somewhat
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Speaker 1: of a staged crime scene or you know, happened hours earlier,
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Speaker 1: and so somebody took the time to try to discard
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Speaker 1: some of this evidence. That was actually mean it said that.
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Speaker 1: And I'm wondering if to me it would make more
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Speaker 1: sense if, in fact he murdered his wife and son,
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Speaker 1: that he did it before the hospital visit, because how
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Speaker 1: could he orchestrate them both being there unless he planned it?
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Speaker 1: And what would be the significance of taking Maggie's cell
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Speaker 1: phone unless he wanted to erase something off the cell phone?
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Speaker 1: And exactly because this guy, doctor Sherry Schwartz, is so
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Speaker 1: messed up on drugs. I mean he's now, as you
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Speaker 1: heard defense attorney Troy Slayton state, he's got fifty one
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Speaker 1: embezzlement type counts against him right now. He's being investigated
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Speaker 1: regarding the deaths of multiple people, including a young man
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Speaker 1: that lived nearby, Stephen Smith, a housekeeper Gloria Satterfield. His
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Speaker 1: son Paul was involved in the death of a young girl,
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Speaker 1: Mallory Beach on the family boat. Who knows if this
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Speaker 1: guy had the wherewithal to re move fingerprints. And when
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Speaker 1: you're talking about blood transfer, a blood transfer could be
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Speaker 1: explained away by the defendant saying, I hell them, I
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Speaker 1: hugged them, I tried to perform CPR. But as Joe
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Speaker 1: Scott Morgan was talking about blood evidence. Blood spatter means
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Speaker 1: you were near the body at the time of the murder.
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Speaker 1: That fine spray of blood that is invisible to the
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Speaker 1: naked eye shows up on clothing if Sled got his
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Speaker 1: clothing crime stories with Nancy Grace, Guys, I just have
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Speaker 1: to listen to more of the nine one one call
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Speaker 1: with the knowledge now it is, it's been released reports
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Speaker 1: that Alex Murdog is connected to the double murders of
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Speaker 1: his wife and son with direct physical forensic evidence. But
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Speaker 1: what is it now? Listen to him on this nine
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Speaker 1: one one call our cut twenty seven. Okay, what is
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Speaker 1: her name? Maggie? Maggie? And paul name Jeff, ma'am, and
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Speaker 1: please hurry. We're getting somebody out there to you asking
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Speaker 1: you these questions. Don't flow them down. Okay, are you
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Speaker 1: sure they're not breathing? Is he moving now? Your son?
27:49
Speaker 1: I know he said that she was shot, but what
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Speaker 1: about your son? Nobody, they're not either one open. What
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Speaker 1: is your telephone number? Man? Not particularly really, no, ma'am. Okay,
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Speaker 1: Okay to Troy Slayton, we have to take into account
28:25
Speaker 1: as we listen to this nine one one call. Now
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Speaker 1: alex a murrogue. Didn't he also call nine one one
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Speaker 1: after he was shot in the head and put up
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Speaker 1: much the same story that an unknown assailant had driven
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Speaker 1: by him and out of nowhere shot him in the
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Speaker 1: head and whoops, he lived. What about that? Is anybody
28:49
Speaker 1: making that parallel? You're trying to say that this is
28:51
Speaker 1: an Academy Award winning performance. Nancy, I'm saying it's been
28:54
Speaker 1: It was rehearsed, okay, because didn't he wait, didn't he
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Speaker 1: call nine one one when he was shot on the
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Speaker 1: side of the road. Joe Scott, Yes, he did, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: sure did. And so this to me, as an investigator,
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Speaker 1: I'm looking at a pattern developing. He got away with
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Speaker 1: the first time, potentially, and now he thinks he's going
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Speaker 1: to get away with it again. When he's feigning this
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Speaker 1: gunshot wound to the head. That's some unknown perpetrator, I mean,
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Speaker 1: Troy Slaton. Can't you just see a prosecutor playing all
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Speaker 1: these nine one one calls, especially the one on the
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Speaker 1: side of the road where the dope dealer confesses reportedly
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Speaker 1: that Mrnod hired him to shoot him, and hear Murnod
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Speaker 1: crying and carrying on on the phone, just like he's
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Speaker 1: doing here. And as a defense attorney, we would say
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Speaker 1: there is no playbook for the horror. Come up with
29:43
Speaker 1: something new. Oh, I want to beat my head against
29:47
Speaker 1: the wall. You say that every time? Would express once
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Speaker 1: they find some sort of horrific situation like his wife
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Speaker 1: and child being killed? But he sounds same Wayne in
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Speaker 1: his own nimal one call when he stays to shooting
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Speaker 1: on himself. Same thing, all that breathing and the gulping
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Speaker 1: and the whining, same exact thing. Let's go back to
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Speaker 1: the staging of the scene. Oh, you're gonna lie, Yeah,
30:17
Speaker 1: it's something you want to talk about. Go ahead, I
30:19
Speaker 1: can't wait to hear this. So if there's physical evidence
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Speaker 1: that bodies were moved from the place where the murders
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Speaker 1: happened so that way they look like something else, then yes.
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Speaker 1: And if somehow Alex Murdoch is connected to that movement
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Speaker 1: of the bodies, that would be really damning evidence for him.
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Speaker 1: Would be a big whoop scene for you to explain
30:44
Speaker 1: the next time we talk about this, wouldn't it unless
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Speaker 1: moving the body in order to perform some sort of
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Speaker 1: life saving measures. Moving the body in order to perform
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Speaker 1: CPR or to try and resuscitate them. See, that's why
30:57
Speaker 1: you make all that money, because you just spun that
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Speaker 1: out of thin air like rumple steel skin. I mean,
31:02
Speaker 1: you just spun it into goal. Amazing, amazing what you
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Speaker 1: just did right there. Guys, with all the knowledge were
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Speaker 1: we now are amassing, I'm really interested in these nine
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Speaker 1: one one calls. Take a listen to Alex and murnag
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Speaker 1: in our cut twenty eight. Are they close, ma'am? They've
31:23
Speaker 1: been around with you ever since you've got on the
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Speaker 1: phone with me. I have multiple people coming out there
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Speaker 1: to you. Okay, I don't want you to touch them
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Speaker 1: at all. Okay, I don't. I don't know if you've
31:34
Speaker 1: already touched them at I don't. I don't want you
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Speaker 1: to touch them just in case they can get any
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Speaker 1: kind of evidence. Okay, I already touched them trying to
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Speaker 1: get to see if they were breathing. Okay, Well, I
31:48
Speaker 1: just don't want you to move anything just in case
31:50
Speaker 1: they can get an Okay, you're talking. Oh, ma'am, I'm
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Speaker 1: gonna call I call some of my family. Okay. Oh well,
32:13
Speaker 1: we'll do a favor for me. Whenever you see the
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Speaker 1: officer or the medics because they're they're all coming to you. Absolutely, okay,
32:21
Speaker 1: but we had them come in. Turn on the flashes
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Speaker 1: on your vehicle so they can see you. Okay, you
32:30
Speaker 1: got the flashes on for me. Who Wow, he sure
32:34
Speaker 1: comes down pretty quickly. Did you hear that? Yeah, I
32:36
Speaker 1: got him on. I'm calling my family, call my lawyer,
32:40
Speaker 1: I'm calling my dope dealer. So okay, let me go
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Speaker 1: back to you. Dave mac joining us Crime online dot
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Speaker 1: Com investigative reporter, tell me again the report that there
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Speaker 1: is direct physical evidence linking him Alex Murnagu to the
32:55
Speaker 1: double murders. At least one of the weapons used in
32:58
Speaker 1: the double homicide belonged to the Murdoch family. We know
33:03
Speaker 1: that law Enforce has been impounded at twenty twenty one
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Speaker 1: Chevy Suburban registered to the Murdah law firm from the scene.
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Speaker 1: We know that deputies found shellcasing at the scene. This
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Speaker 1: is a report from Fitznews. Sled agents requested the Sheriff's
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Speaker 1: deputy searched the area near the crime team for video
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Speaker 1: surveillance systems on the morning after the murders. We don't
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Speaker 1: know what they found there. On June sixteenth, sled agents
33:27
Speaker 1: were collecting evidence in a swampy area near the Sauka
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Speaker 1: Huti River, about two miles south of Mozelle and Maggie.
33:34
Speaker 1: Murdaw's cell phone was found along a rural South Carolina
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Speaker 1: road just outside the family's seventeen hundred acre hunting lodge
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Speaker 1: the day after the murder, straight out to donor Sherry
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Speaker 1: Schwartz forensic psychologists joining us, Doctor Sherry, how do you
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Speaker 1: analyze what you heard on that nine one call? Well,
33:52
Speaker 1: I mean, there's so many things, right, I mean, he
33:55
Speaker 1: starts off, he's very emotional, he's crying, he's asking for air,
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Speaker 1: and then, as you pointed out at the end, he's
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Speaker 1: very calm. A matter of fact, it's very striking to
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Speaker 1: me that in the midst of this horror and waiting
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Speaker 1: for first responders, he needs to get off the phone
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Speaker 1: to contact family. I mean, you know, have you given
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Speaker 1: up totally? You know, who are you calling? What family
34:23
Speaker 1: do you need to contact? And why at this moment?
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Speaker 1: You know, how are you gathering your thoughts in that way?
34:30
Speaker 1: And he also says you know that he did touch
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Speaker 1: them to see if they were breathing, but he doesn't
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Speaker 1: mention anything about trying to render aid guys. As of
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Speaker 1: right now, there is no charge, no formal charge against
34:45
Speaker 1: Alex Murdoc and the death of Maggie and Paul. Take
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Speaker 1: a listen to our cut twenty two. This is GMA's
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Speaker 1: Eva Pilgrim. The Murdoch property is remote, it spans hundreds
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Speaker 1: of acres, and the feeling in the community whoever killed
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Speaker 1: the Murdas didn't end up here by accident or randomly.
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Speaker 1: Twenty two year old Paul Murdoch and his fifty six
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Speaker 1: year old mother, Maggie found shot to death near the
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Speaker 1: dog kennels outside the family's hunting lodge last week. County
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Speaker 1: investigators turning the case over to state law enforcement. So far,
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Speaker 1: there have been no arrests, no suspects have been named.
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Speaker 1: Law enforcement being very tight lipped about this investigation. As
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Speaker 1: of right now, again, Alex Murdock has not been charged.
35:31
Speaker 1: He was named a person of interest way back when,
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Speaker 1: but no formal charges against him. We wait as justice
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Speaker 1: unfoalse Nancy Grace Crime story signing off, Goodbye friend