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Idaho Man Butchers Family Days After Saying ‘We Shouldn’t Have Kids’ · Murder Files Unsealed

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  Speaker 1: Imagine a freezing night in late November, like the kind
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  Speaker 1: of bitter, biting cold that keeps absolutely everyone indoors. Right.
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  Speaker 1: And a pregnant mother is frantically fleeing her own home
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  Speaker 1: out into the snow. She's wearing only long johns, no shirt,
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  Speaker 1: just desperately running toward this outdoor awning, completely terrified.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, wow.
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  Speaker 1: But she is chased down and executed, shot multiple times
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  Speaker 1: in the back. And then her 10-month-old baby and the
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  Speaker 1: family dog are taken into the dark only to be
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  Speaker 1: found days later with their throats brutally slashed.
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  Speaker 2: It's just horrific.
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  Speaker 1: Right. And the man responsible for this unimaginable massacre is
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  Speaker 1: the husband, the father.
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  Speaker 2: The sheer brutality of that scene, I mean, it just
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  Speaker 2: leaves you completely breathless. You know, when we analyze true
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  Speaker 2: crime or forensic cases, There's usually this academic distance we
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  Speaker 2: try to maintain.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, of course.
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  Speaker 2: But a crime scene like this completely shatters that distance.
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  Speaker 2: It is the absolute worst case scenario of domestic destruction.
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  Speaker 1: It really is. But here is the part that gives
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  Speaker 1: you cognitive whiplash. Because if you wind the clock back just,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, a little over a year... And you look
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  Speaker 1: at how this relationship was introduced to the world, it
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  Speaker 1: wasn't framed as a tragedy waiting to happen at all.
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  Speaker 2: Not even close.
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  Speaker 1: Right. It was presented as this cinematic, almost mythological Western romance.
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  Speaker 1: It looked like the ultimate love story. So welcome to
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  Speaker 1: the Deep Dive. For you listening, our mission today is
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  Speaker 1: to really figure out how a relationship that appeared to
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  Speaker 1: be a perfect adventure... deteriorate so rapidly into such an
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  Speaker 1: unthinkable crime scene.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. And to do that, we are pulling from a
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  Speaker 2: highly detailed broadcast transcript from the Law and Crime Network.
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  Speaker 2: This source material covers the sentencing hearing, all the forensic testimony,
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  Speaker 2: and these intensely conflicting psychological evaluations of an Idaho man
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  Speaker 2: named Jeremy Best.
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  Speaker 1: And I want to set the baseline immediately for you
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  Speaker 1: just so there is zero ambiguity about where this ends.
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  Speaker 1: We are unpacking the journey, but the conclusion is already
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  Speaker 1: written in stone. Jeremy Best ultimately pled guilty to the
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  Speaker 1: murders of his pregnant wife, Callie, their 10-month-old son, Zeke,
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  Speaker 1: their unborn daughter, Freya, and the family dog. And he
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  Speaker 1: received consecutive fixed life sentences without the possibility of parole.
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  Speaker 2: So we aren't here to solve a mystery of who
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  Speaker 2: did it. We are here to really examine the how
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  Speaker 2: and the why. Like, How does severe mental illness interact
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  Speaker 2: with extreme financial pressure?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that intersection is so important.
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  Speaker 2: It is. How do warning signs get normalized? And how
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  Speaker 2: does a justice system even attempt to process a crime
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  Speaker 2: that essentially destroys an entire generational line?
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  Speaker 1: Well, let's start with that jarring contrast between the public
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  Speaker 1: facade and the private reality. Because when you look at
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  Speaker 1: the public curation of their lives, I mean, it reads
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  Speaker 1: like a lifestyle blog.
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  Speaker 2: It really does.
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  Speaker 1: But I want to understand how they even met. Did
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  Speaker 1: the sources give any insight into the origin of this
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  Speaker 1: relationship before it completely derailed?
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  Speaker 2: They did, yeah. According to testimony from Jeremy's mother, Patricia,
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  Speaker 2: the two were introduced through a mutual co-worker, and it
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  Speaker 2: was described as this instant magnetic connection.
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  Speaker 1: Really? Right. Just right off the bat? Right.
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  Speaker 2: They shared a very specific, rugged, rural Western lifestyle. They
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  Speaker 2: worked in an auto shop together. They spent all their
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  Speaker 2: time snowboarding, dirt biking, boating, camping. Oh, wow.
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  Speaker 1: So very active.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. They were building a life that fit perfectly into
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  Speaker 2: the modern mythology of like rugged independence. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And there is a specific Facebook post that Kelly made
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  Speaker 1: on November 9th, 2022, that captures this mythology perfectly. She
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  Speaker 1: wrote about their very first date, which apparently lasted for
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  Speaker 1: three straight days.
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  Speaker 2: Three days for a first date.
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  Speaker 1: I know, right? And the way she describes it is
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  Speaker 1: so striking.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: She talks about being dropped off on a dirt road
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  Speaker 1: in the middle of Grand Teton National Park. And moments later,
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  Speaker 1: Jeremy comes bounding down this washboard road in a custom-built,
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  Speaker 1: rust-colored VW van that he had named Ginger.
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  Speaker 2: And, you know, naming the vehicle is a subtle but
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  Speaker 2: really important psychological detail here.
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  Speaker 1: Wait, how so?
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  Speaker 2: Well, it transforms the van from just a mode of
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  Speaker 2: transportation into a character in their shared narrative. It anchors
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  Speaker 2: the idea that their relationship is this grand adventure, you know,
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  Speaker 2: a journey against the grain of typical society.
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  Speaker 1: That makes total sense. She actually wrote, quote, it was
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  Speaker 1: love at first sight, me in the van. You already
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  Speaker 1: know how I felt about the boy.
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  Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And she details hot wiring the van late at night
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  Speaker 1: because they lost the keys, cooking steaks in the middle
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  Speaker 1: of bear country at midnight and getting a flat tire
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  Speaker 1: with no jack to fix it.
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  Speaker 2: All of which sounds incredibly stressful to most people. Exactly.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. But she was absolutely in awe of how he
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  Speaker 1: navigated hundreds of miles of obscure backroads with the map
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  Speaker 1: solely in his mind.
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  Speaker 2: When you really deconstruct that post, you hear a deep
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  Speaker 2: romanticization of unpredictability, spontaneity, living on the edge, navigating without
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  Speaker 2: a map. These are traits that make a three-day date
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  Speaker 2: in the wilderness thrilling. But the psychological mechanism of long-term
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  Speaker 2: domestic life requires... The exact opposite of that.
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  Speaker 1: It requires structure.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, it requires predictability and above all, safety.
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  Speaker 1: That is such a good point. We tend to look
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  Speaker 1: at social media as a window into someone's life. But
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  Speaker 1: in cases involving extreme domestic volatility, I don't think it's
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  Speaker 1: a window at all.
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  Speaker 2: What do you mean?
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  Speaker 1: I think it functions more like a deep sea submersible.
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  Speaker 1: Like when the pressure outside, the psychological instability, the hidden conflicts,
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  Speaker 1: is so immense... People often project this titanium shell of
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  Speaker 1: a perfect van life just to keep the cabin from
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  Speaker 1: instantly imploding.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, that's a great way to put it. Right.
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  Speaker 1: They are actively fighting the crushing pressure of their private
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  Speaker 1: reality by intensely curating an alternate public one. It's like
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  Speaker 1: looking at a beautifully restored vintage car. Shiny exterior, classic charm,
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  Speaker 1: but under the hood, the engine is completely tearing itself apart.
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  Speaker 2: That mechanism of curation as a defense strategy is incredibly common.
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  Speaker 2: The more chaotic the interior is, the more aggressively perfect
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  Speaker 2: the exterior must appear. And the sources provide a staggering
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  Speaker 2: timeline that completely shatters that exterior shell.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Detective Stephen from the Idaho State Police compiled a
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  Speaker 1: timeline of their relationship, right?
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  Speaker 2: He did.
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  Speaker 1: And within a 14-month marriage, the topic of divorce was
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  Speaker 1: brought up five separate times.
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  Speaker 2: Five times in 14 months.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, for you listening, just think about that. That
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  Speaker 1: brings us to a massive reality check, because the very
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  Speaker 1: first mention of divorce happened in December 2022. Which is?
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  Speaker 1: That is literally one month after she posted that beautiful
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  Speaker 1: romantic story about the VW van.
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  Speaker 2: The text exchange the detective found from December 12th is
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  Speaker 2: chilling in its brevity. Jeremy texts her, the first item
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  Speaker 2: in business, I want a divorce.
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  Speaker 1: Just like that.
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  Speaker 2: Just like that. And Callie replies with just two words,
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  Speaker 2: I'm scared.
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  Speaker 1: I really want to pause on that. What does that
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  Speaker 1: response actually signal clinically? Because saying I'm scared is a
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  Speaker 1: very different reaction than saying I'm angry or I'm heartbroken.
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  Speaker 2: It shifts the entire context, right? It takes it from
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  Speaker 2: a rough marital patch into the territory of intimidation. Right.
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  Speaker 2: When a partner's immediate reaction to a demand for divorce
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  Speaker 2: is fear, it indicates a power dynamic steeped in unpredictability
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  Speaker 2: and potential danger.
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  Speaker 1: Which totally contradicts the whole carefree van life persona.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. It tells us that Jeremy's behavior during these conflicts
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  Speaker 2: wasn't just argumentative. It was threatening enough to trigger a
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  Speaker 2: primal fear response in a woman who was supposedly totally
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  Speaker 2: comfortable hot wiring vans in bear country.
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  Speaker 1: So if they are in this psychological submersible and the
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  Speaker 1: hole is already cracking just months into the marriage, what
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  Speaker 1: exactly was the external pressure? I know they were living
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  Speaker 1: this blue collar lifestyle, which isn't easy, but did the
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  Speaker 1: court documents point to a specific wedge that accelerated this collapse?
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  Speaker 2: The external pressure wasn't just a wedge. I mean, it
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  Speaker 2: was a hydraulic press. We have to look at the
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  Speaker 2: financial strain, which the prosecution highlighted extensively. In January 2023,
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  Speaker 2: their son Zeke was born prematurely.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, man.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, which required him to be admitted to the neonatal
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  Speaker 2: intensive care unit.
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  Speaker 1: Anyone who has had a child in the NICU knows
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  Speaker 1: the emotional paralysis of watching your newborn hooked up to
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  Speaker 1: those monitors. But in the American health care system, that
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  Speaker 1: emotional terror is immediately followed by sheer financial terror. Right.
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  Speaker 2: And the sources explicitly note that the NICU bill alone
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  Speaker 2: exceeded $ 100, 000. $ 100, 000. Yeah. Now, the documents mention that eventually,
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  Speaker 2: through whatever means, those bills were paid. But you have
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  Speaker 2: to understand the immediate devastating impact of a six-figure debt
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  Speaker 2: dropping onto a young couple working out of a rural
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  Speaker 2: auto shop.
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  Speaker 1: It's unfathomable.
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  Speaker 2: The prosecution made it clear that they were making ends meet,
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  Speaker 2: but just barely. There was zero cushion. And on top
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  Speaker 2: of that staggering hospital bill, there was an additional $ 8, 200
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  Speaker 2: unpaid bill to a midwife.
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  Speaker 1: So when you have that level of financial ruin hanging
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  Speaker 1: over a relationship that is already clearly fractured, how does
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  Speaker 1: that alter the daily dynamic?
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  Speaker 2: Well, severe financial stress fundamentally alters brain chemistry. It keeps
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  Speaker 2: the body in a constant state of fight or flight.
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  Speaker 2: Cortisol levels skyrocket.
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  Speaker 1: So they're just always on edge.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. When you have no financial safety net, every minor
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  Speaker 2: inconvenience feels like an existential threat. And the state pointed
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  Speaker 2: out that Jeremy was dealing with this stress while simultaneously
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  Speaker 2: battling chronic physical pain.
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  Speaker 1: The chronic pain aspect is crucial here, too, because the
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  Speaker 1: sources note he abused his body in his younger years.
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  Speaker 1: And working daily as an auto mechanic, you know, bending
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  Speaker 1: over engine bays, hauling heavy parts, it exacerbated it deeply. Right.
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  Speaker 1: But the way he chose to manage that pain is
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  Speaker 1: where the narrative takes a very dark turn. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: According to the prosecution, his coping mechanisms were entirely chemical.
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  Speaker 2: He turned to a combination of mushrooms, marijuana, and cough syrup. Right.
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  Speaker 1: I really want to pause on that combination. Because weed
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  Speaker 1: and psychedelics are one thing, but abusing cough syrup, which
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  Speaker 1: usually involves dextromethorphan or DXM, That is an entirely different beast.
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  Speaker 2: It is a highly destabilizing cocktail. DXM in high recreational
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  Speaker 2: doses acts as a dissociative anesthetic.
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  Speaker 1: Meaning it sort of separates you from reality?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, it disconnects the brain from the body's sensory input.
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  Speaker 2: When you combine a dissociative with psychoactive mushrooms and marijuana,
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  Speaker 2: you are chemically scrambling the prefrontal cortex.
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  Speaker 1: Which does what exactly?
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  Speaker 2: That's the exact part of the brain responsible for impulse control,
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  Speaker 2: rational decision-making... and empathy. Wow.
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  Speaker 1: So you basically have a man in physical agony drowning
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  Speaker 1: in a six-figure medical debt who is actively dissociating through heavy,
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  Speaker 1: unregulated substance abuse.
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  Speaker 2: Precisely. And the emotional toll this took on Callie was severe.
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  Speaker 2: The prosecution painted a picture of Jeremy becoming increasingly demanding, demeaning,
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  Speaker 2: and verbally abusive.
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  Speaker 1: It's just heart-wrenching.
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  Speaker 2: The environment became so toxic that Callie occasionally had to
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  Speaker 2: sleep away from their home just to escape his hostility.
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  Speaker 1: And the state made a deeply unsettling point during the trial, too.
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  Speaker 1: They framed the birth of baby Zeke and then Callie's
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  Speaker 1: subsequent surprise pregnancy with their daughter Freya not as joyous milestones.
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  Speaker 2: No, not at all.
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  Speaker 1: A detective testified that he didn't even believe the second
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  Speaker 1: pregnancy was planned. He stated that Jeremy didn't seem to
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  Speaker 1: want to be a father at all. They actually described
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  Speaker 1: these children as gasoline on the fire.
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  Speaker 2: Which completely dismantles the curated image of the happy, growing family.
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  Speaker 2: The responsibilities of fatherhood were viewed not as a blessing,
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  Speaker 2: but as an unbearable weight that was just compounding his
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  Speaker 2: physical and financial misery.
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  Speaker 1: Let me push back on this narrative for a second, though,
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  Speaker 1: because the prosecution is painting this clear line, right? Debt
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  Speaker 1: plus chronic pain plus drugs equals a family annihilator. Right.
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  Speaker 1: But millions of people are drowning in medical debt. Millions
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  Speaker 1: struggle with severe substance abuse and chronic pain. And they
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  Speaker 1: don't slaughter their pregnant wives in the snow.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: So do financial stress and drugs actually create violent intent?
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  Speaker 1: Or do they just strip away the inhibitions of someone
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  Speaker 1: who is already fundamentally capable of murder?
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  Speaker 2: That is the pivotal question of human behavior and criminology.
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  Speaker 2: Stress and substances do not implant homicidal ideation into a
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  Speaker 2: healthy society. neurotypical brain. Right. A massive medical bill does
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  Speaker 2: not magically generate a desire to use a knife on
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  Speaker 2: an infant. What these extreme stressors do is erode the
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  Speaker 2: scaffolding that keeps dark, volatile, or pre-existing aggressive traits in check.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, that makes sense.
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  Speaker 2: So if a relationship is already defined by intimidation and
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  Speaker 2: verbal degradation, as we saw with that I'm scared text,
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  Speaker 2: the drugs and the debt remove the final neurological barriers
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  Speaker 2: to physical violence.
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  Speaker 1: It basically turns a toxic dynamic into a lethal one. Yes.
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  Speaker 1: And the terrifying part is that this internal pressure cooker
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  Speaker 1: didn't stay hidden. The sources show that the escalation was
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  Speaker 1: spilling over into very visible, very audible warning signs. Like,
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  Speaker 1: if you knew what to listen for, the alarms were blaring.
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  Speaker 2: The neighbors certainly heard those alarms.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, one neighbor detailed hearing incredibly aggressive, loud arguments— At
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  Speaker 1: one point, this neighbor heard Jeremy threatening to smash their electronics,
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  Speaker 1: cell phones, computers. And Callie's response, which the neighbor overheard,
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  Speaker 1: was her pleading, Jeremy, don't smash that. That's not been
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  Speaker 1: paid for yet.
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  Speaker 2: That single sentence is such a tragic window into her
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  Speaker 2: daily reality. Like in the midst of her husband's explosive,
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  Speaker 2: unpredictable rage, her primary concern isn't just physical safety.
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  Speaker 1: It's the money.
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  Speaker 2: It's the financial terror of his actions. Yep. That's not
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  Speaker 2: been paid for. The debt was governing their entire existence.
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  Speaker 2: The fear of financial ruin was literally competing with the
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  Speaker 2: fear of physical violence.
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  Speaker 1: But the escalation went far beyond overheard arguments.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: The state introduced two pieces of video evidence that are
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  Speaker 1: just difficult to even think about.
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  Speaker 2: They are.
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  Speaker 1: The first video was taken on November 16th, 2023. That
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  Speaker 1: is exactly two weeks before the murders. In the audio
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  Speaker 1: of this video, Jeremy tells his pregnant wife, we're not
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  Speaker 1: supposed to have children.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, to look at the woman actively carrying your
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  Speaker 2: second child and tell her that you are not supposed
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  Speaker 2: to have children, it is a profound verbal erasure of
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  Speaker 2: their family unit. It is a psychological rejection of their
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  Speaker 2: shared reality.
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  Speaker 1: And then two days later, on November 18th, so just
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  Speaker 1: 10 days before the massacre, there is a second video.
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  Speaker 1: This one is recorded on Jeremy's own phone. He is
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  Speaker 1: actively kicking Callie out of their home. He calls her
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  Speaker 1: a terrible housewife.
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  Speaker 2: On video.
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  Speaker 1: On video. He accuses her of stealing money from him
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  Speaker 1: and from the auto business. And then he uses this
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  Speaker 1: specific phrase. He accuses her of 8,200 lies.
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  Speaker 2: What's fascinating here is the specificity of that number. This
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  Speaker 2: is where forensic psychology becomes crucial. 8,200 lies. Do you
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  Speaker 2: remember the unpaid midwife bill we discussed?
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  Speaker 1: The $ 8, 200 bill?
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. It was for exactly $ 8, 200.
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  Speaker 1: That is a terrifying psychological leap.
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  Speaker 2: It demonstrates a profound, almost psychotic hyperfixation. He took a
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  Speaker 2: tangible external stressor, a medical bill, and mutated it into
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  Speaker 2: a sweeping, overarching moral indictment of his wife.
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  Speaker 1: So every dollar was a lie.
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  Speaker 2: In his mind, yes. Every single dollar owed had transformed
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  Speaker 2: into a literal lie committed by Callie. It is a
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  Speaker 2: level of grievance that has completely lost touch with rational
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  Speaker 2: conflict resolution.
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  Speaker 1: It's like the debt became a living, breathing enemy to him,
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  Speaker 1: and he just projected the face of that enemy right
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  Speaker 1: onto his wife.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. Exactly.
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  Speaker 1: And in that same video, Callie says, well, if I'm
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  Speaker 1: ever going to talk to you again, I'm not going
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  Speaker 1: to leave. The detective noted she sounded desperate to hold
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  Speaker 1: the pieces together. I mean, this was divorce discussion number five.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: And this volatility wasn't a complete secret from his family either,
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  Speaker 1: was it?
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  Speaker 2: No, not at all. We know that because of text
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  Speaker 2: messages from Jeremy's mother, Patricia. Months prior to the murders,
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  Speaker 2: she texted him with a very clear, desperate warning.
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  Speaker 1: She tells him he's acting with a hothead. She points
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  Speaker 1: out that he and Callie have been cooped up for
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  Speaker 1: months with little outside contact, that he isn't sleeping, and
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  Speaker 1: that he desperately needs to calm down and think rationally.
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  Speaker 2: Which is very observant for a mother watching from the outside.
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  Speaker 1: Extremely. But the haunting part is her prediction. She explicitly
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  Speaker 1: warns him that if he keeps this up, Zeke will
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  Speaker 1: be coming from a broken home and won't have a
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  Speaker 1: loving mom and dad. She ends the text by begging,
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  Speaker 1: don't do something you'll regret.
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  Speaker 2: That text from his mother tells us that Jeremy's volatility
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  Speaker 2: was a known long-term issue within the family structure. The
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  Speaker 2: mother recognized the isolation. Right. She recognized the sleep deprivation,
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  Speaker 2: which is a massive trigger for psychiatric instability. She saw
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  Speaker 2: the disaster coming, even if she couldn't possibly fathom the
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  Speaker 2: fatal severity of it.
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: I want to ask you, listening, to put yourself in
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: the shoes of someone observing this. A neighbor, a mother,
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: a friend. You hear the arguments. You see the stress.
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: But at what exact point does a string of incredibly
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: toxic marital fights cross the line into a recognizable, life-threatening emergency?
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: It's so hard to pinpoint.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: Because we often talk about the boiling frog metaphor, but
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: I don't think that fits the psychological reality of domestic
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: abuse at all.
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: You're right. The boiling frog analogy is inadequate because it
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: implies a slow, passive death. A more accurate analogy for
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: domestic escalation is is living next to a high-speed train track.
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: Okay, how so?
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: At first, the noise and the shaking of the house
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: are intolerable. You think the foundation is going to collapse.
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: But over months and years, your brain acclimates to the trauma.
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: You stop hearing the train. You stop noticing the shaking.
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: Oh, wow.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: The baseline of what is normal completely shifts. The danger
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: hasn't decreased. The structural integrity of the house is still failing.
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: But your perception of the emergency has been normalized. Smashing
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: electronics becomes the new normal. Kicking a pregnant wife out
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: becomes the new normal.
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: That is a chilling way to understand how the warning
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: signs get absorbed into daily life. But we have to
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: pivot here because the defense presented a completely different lens
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: through which to view all of this evidence. They argued
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: this wasn't just a toxic, abusive marriage fueled by debt
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: and dissociative drugs. They argued this was a profound, catastrophic
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: psychiatric break.
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: And examining the mental health evidence is critical here, because
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: this is where the legal and psychological narratives fundamentally split. Right.
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: According to the diagnostic impressions detailed in the sources, Jeremy
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: Best had been diagnosed with bipolar I disorder over 20
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: years ago.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: A 20-year history.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: So this wasn't a sudden, convenient diagnosis cooked up for
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: a trial. This was a deeply ingrained, long-standing medical condition.
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: And the defense's core argument was that on the days
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: surrounding the murders... Jeremy was experiencing a specific severe psychiatric event,
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: a manic episode with psychotic features.
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: I think we need to break that down because the
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: word bipolar gets thrown around casually in everyday conversation to
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: describe someone who is just, you know, moody.
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: Way too casually.
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: Right. But clinical bipolar 1, especially with psychotic features, is
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: a very specific, dangerous neurological state. So how does the
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: medical field define what the defense was claiming here?
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: Well, bipolar disorder fundamentally involves a dysregulation to the brain's
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: mood centers, often linked to dopamine and the HPA axis,
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: the system that manages stress.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: Bipolar I requires the presence of at least one full
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: manic episode. Mania is not just being energetic or happy.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: A clinical manic episode involves a grandiose mood, an inflated
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: sense of self, a severely decreased need for sleep, racing thoughts,
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: and highly reckless behavior.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: Which we know his mother noticed the sleep issue.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: Exactly. And to meet the criteria, These symptoms must last
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: for at least a week and be severe enough to
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: impair daily functioning. Crucially, for a pure diagnosis, this mania
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: must be independent of substance use, though substances can certainly
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: trigger or exacerbate it.
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: And the defense specifically added with psychotic features, what is
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: the threshold that separates a severe manic episode from actual psychosis?
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: Psychosis is the breaking point from shared reality. When a
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: manic episode includes psychotic features, the individual begins experiencing delusions,
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: fixed false beliefs that cannot be changed by logic or evidence.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: Or hallucinations.
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: Or hallucinations, exactly. They might believe they are on a
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: divine mission or that their family has been replaced by imposters.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: The defense was arguing that Jeremy was entirely untethered from reality.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: And there is a massive piece of medical context here, too,
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: which is that he had stopped taking his medication.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: The sources indicate that while he had been compliant in
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: the past, his last prescription was filled in July of 2023.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: So by the time November rolled around, he was completely unmedicated.
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: Stopping medication for bipolar 1 abruptly is incredibly dangerous. It
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: often creates a rebound effect, launching the brain into a
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: manic or depressive extreme far more severe than the baseline condition. Wow.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: And the defense pointed to an incredibly bizarre incident on
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: the very day of Callie's murder. as undeniable proof of
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: this unmedicated psychotic break.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: Oh, the general store incident. Right. Here's where it gets
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: really interesting, because this is surreal. On the exact same
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: day his wife was murdered, Jeremy walked into a general
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: store in Swan Valley. He took off all of his
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: clothes and wandered the store completely naked.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: The staff, understandably alarmed, called law enforcement. The police arrived,
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: evaluated his behavior, and made a critical determination— This wasn't
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: a criminal act of indecent exposure. This was a severe
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: medical crisis.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: So they didn't arrest him?
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: No. Jeremy voluntarily got into an ambulance and was transported
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: to Eastern Idaho Regional Medical Center. The store didn't press charges.
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: To the police and the paramedics, it looked like a
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: textbook mental breakdown.
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: But look at the timeline here. He is walking naked
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: in a store, triggering this massive public response. It's like
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: a smoke alarm going off in an empty house, you know?
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: It is this blaring, highly visible red flag of a crisis.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: But it's happening miles away in public, while the actual, irreversible,
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: horrific tragedy was likely already unfolding or about to unfold
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: completely out of sight back at his home.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: The public saw the naked man and thought, he needs
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: a hospital. They had absolutely no idea that the private
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: reality was turning into a bloodbath. This brings us to
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: a profound conflict in the case. The sources present two
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: highly compelling, deeply conflicting narratives.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: And I want to pause here and make something explicitly
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: clear to you listening. We are impartially reporting the arguments
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: presented in these source documents. We are not taking a
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: side on whether this was cold-blooded murder or a tragic
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: manifestation of insanity. We are examining how the legal system
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: was forced to weigh two realities against each other.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: That's right. On one side, the prosecution argued that Jeremy
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: Best was a financially drowning, resentful husband, a man who
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: heavily self-medicated with dissociative drugs, verbally abused his wife, despised
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: the financial burden of his children, and ultimately acted out
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: of profound rage and a total loss of inhibition.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: Right, the pressure cooker theory.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: Exactly. On the other side, the defense argued that he
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: was a man with a 20-year history of severe bipolar I, who,
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: after stopping his medication, descended into a terrifying psychosis marked
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: by delusions and a complete detachment from reality, evidenced by
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: his bizarre, naked public behavior.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: And the person caught most tragically in the crossfire of
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: these two narratives, aside from the victims who lost their lives, obviously,
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: is Jeremy's mother, Patricia. Her testimony, detailed in the sources,
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: is just gut-wrenching.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: It really is.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: She firmly believes the defense's narrative. She stated, quote, None
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: of us can believe that the Jeremy we know could
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: have possibly done something like this. His actions were due
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: to a complete mental breakdown.
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: Patricia's grief is almost impossibly complex here. She didn't just
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: lose her daughter-in-law and her grandchildren. She lost her son
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: to the prison system forever. Yeah. She detailed how integrated
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: Callie was into their family. When Patricia's late husband Greg
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: was suffering from Lewy body dementia, Callie and Jeremy both
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: stepped up as primary caregivers.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: Can you explain Lewy body dementia briefly? Because understanding what
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: Callie willingly took him on really helps explain how deeply
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: connected she was to Jeremy's family. It's not just typical
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: memory loss, right? Right.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: It's not. Lewy body dementia is a progressive brain disease
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: caused by abnormal protein deposits. It is incredibly brutal because
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: it doesn't just cause cognitive decline. It often involves severe
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: visual hallucinations. unpredictable fluctuations in alertness, and Parkinson's-like movement issues.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: That sounds incredibly taxing to manage.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: It is. Caring for someone with Lewy body dementia is exhausting, terrifying,
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: and requires immense emotional resilience. The fact that Callie stepped
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: in to help care for her father-in-law shows a profound
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: level of love and commitment to Jeremy's family. In fact,
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: baby Zeke's middle name was Gregory, honoring that late father.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: Yet Patricia's current reality is a nightmare of complete isolation.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: I mean, according to her statement in the sources, she
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: was entirely excluded from the memorials for Callie, Zeke, and Freya.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's so sad.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: She feels the immense weight of Callie's family blaming her
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: for raising the man who did this. And on top
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: of the social isolation, she faced legal peril. I mean,
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: the county prosecutor actually accused her of mishandling Jeremy's assets
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: while she was acting as his conservator.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: The conservatorship aspect is a massive legal burden. When an
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: adult is deemed incapacitated, in this case, Jeremy being incarcerated
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: and legally facing capital charges, a probate court can appoint
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: a conservator to manage their financial estate. Patricia took this
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: role on by her own admission just to keep herself
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: busy and helpful amidst the grief. But a conservator has
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: a strict fiduciary duty. They have to account for every
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: single penny.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: So she's being scrutinized while she's grieving.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: Yes. To be mourning the murder of your grandchildren while
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: simultaneously being legally scrutinized for how you are managing the
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: murderer's bank accounts, it is an unimaginable psychological strain.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: She actually admitted it has taken a year and a
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: half of doctors, extensive counseling, and heavy medication just to
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: reach a point where she can look at a stranger's
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: baby without completely breaking down.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: Her situation highlights the vast collateral damage of a crime
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: like this. The destruction does not stop at the crime
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: scene tape. It radiates outward, completely isolating survivors like Patricia,
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: who are left holding the emotional wreckage without any support system,
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: blamed by one side and legally pursued by the other.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: It's unbearable. But no matter how deeply we analyze the
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: psychology behind Whether you believe it was drug-fueled rage or
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: unmedicated psychosis, we have to confront the brutal, undeniable physical
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: reality of what actually occurred on the night of November 30th.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: The forensic evidence leaves no room for psychological abstraction. The
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: physical timeline is just a forensic nightmare.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: Let's walk through exactly what the court documents outline. It
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: begins with a 911 call. A neighbor, the same one
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: who had previously heard the arguments over unpaid electronics, hears
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: a violent struggle across the street. He hears Callie yelling.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: Her voice is panicked, distressed, and she screams, Jeremy, stop,
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: or Jeremy, don't you have a baby?
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: Don't you have a baby? That is a desperate plea
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: for humanity. It is a mother in the face of imminent,
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: lethal violence trying to anchor a violently spiraling man to
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: the most fundamental, innocent reality of their shared existence, their child.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: She is trying to break through the rage or the
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: psychosis by invoking the instinct to protect.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: It didn't work. Moments later, the neighbor hears gunshots. He
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: described it to investigators as a series of three rapid shots,
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: followed by a slight pause and then one or two more. Pop, pop, pop.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: But the most critical piece of auditory evidence comes right
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: after the gunfire. The neighbor hears Jeremy's voice.
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: The neighbor hears Jeremy explicitly say, try calling the cops.
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: That one sentence completely shifts the legal battlefield.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: It does. When you analyze the situational awareness required to say,
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: try calling the cops. the cops immediately after firing a weapon,
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: it severely undermines the defense of total psychosis.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: Why is that?
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: Well, if a person is in a state of complete
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: detachment from reality, if they believe they are shooting demons
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: or defending themselves from a hallucination, they do not reference
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: law enforcement.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: I see.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: Acknowledging the cops means acknowledging consequence. It means understanding cause
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: and effect, understanding that a crime against societal law has
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: just been committed. The prosecution undoubtedly used that single sentence
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: to argue that Jeremy was lucid enough to understand the
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: criminality of his actions.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: Now, immediately after saying that Jeremy is seen fleeing the
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: scene in a black Tahoe. So the sheriff's deputies arrive
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: and the scene they secure is horrific. So the responding
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: deputy finds Kelly dead under an awning. connected to a
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: shop on the property. She was in the freezing snow,
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: and she's wearing leggings, long johns, and no shirt.
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: The forensic testimony from investigator Ken Martin revealed the cold
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: mechanics of her murder. She had been shot four times
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: in the back. By analyzing the bullet trajectories and the
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: physical evidence, Martin concluded that while there had clearly been
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: a struggle, at least one and possibly two of those
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: shots were fired while Callie was already down on the ground.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: That is an execution-style killing. Yes.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: It moves from a chaotic struggle into a definitive, merciless
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: act of termination.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: But the terror for the responding officers was only just beginning.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: They secure the scene. They find Callie. But 10-month-old Zeke
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: is nowhere to be found. And the family dog is missing.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: I want you listening to conceptualize the sheer panic of
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: that realization for law enforcement. They are standing over the
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: body of an executed mother, realizing that the heavily armed
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: killer is currently driving through the dark, freezing night with
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: an infant in the car.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: It instantly elevates the crisis. It is no longer just
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: a homicide investigation and a manhunt. It is a desperate,
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: ticking clock kidnapping scenario. The Amber Alert goes out. The
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: entire region is on edge.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: And that desperation ends in the worst possible way a
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: couple of days later. Jeremy is located, but baby Zeke
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: and the family dog are found dead. Both of them
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: had their throats slashed. The weapon used on the 10-month-old
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: baby was a steak knife.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: The sheer brutality required to inflict that specific injury is
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: difficult to comprehend. The physical strength, the proximity, the intimacy
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: of using a kitchen knife rather than a firearm.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: It's so personal.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: Yes, it implies a deeply personal... Rage fueled destruction. It
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: is the annihilation of his own legacy.
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: There was a highly specific piece of forensic evidence discussed
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: in the sources regarding the sleeping bag that Zeke was
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: found with. The state's expert witness spent time analyzing the
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: blood evidence, specifically noting that there was a massive concentration
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: of blood heavily pooling on the outside of Zeke's sleeping bag.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: How do forensic experts look at a blood-soaked item and
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: determine the sequence of events?
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: Fabric analysis in forensics is incredibly complex. largely dependent on
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: the material's composition. Synthetic fibers, like the nylon, typically used
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: on the outer shell of a sleeping bag, are essentially
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: spun plastic filaments. They do not absorb liquid the way
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: natural fibers like cotton do.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: Right, they repel it.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: Because nylon isn't highly absorbent, blood relies on capillary action
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: to travel through the weave.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: Capillary action, meaning the liquid is drawn through the tiny
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: spaces between the threads rather than soaking into the thread itself.
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: Exactly. So when forensic experts see a massive amount of blood,
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: heavily pooled and dried on the exterior of a synthetic shell,
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: they analyze the wicking pattern. If the violent arterial bleed
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: had occurred purely on the inside of the bag, the
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: cotton or fleece interior would absorb the bulk of it,
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: and the exterior nylon would show seep-through staining.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: Oh, I see.
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: But the expert concluded that the massive concentration on the
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: outside suggested proximity. The sleeping bag acted like a sponge
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: adjacent to the horrific injuries. absorbing the blood from the
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: outside in, implying the violence occurred extremely close to the bag,
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: but not entirely enclosed within it.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: It is a dark, highly technical detail, but it paints
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: a vivid, terrifying picture of a chaotic, bloody scene where
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: a father used a steak knife on his own infant son.
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: So what does this all mean? When the manhunt is over,
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: when the bodies are recovered and the forensic timeline is established,
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: How does a civilized justice system even begin to process
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: something this profoundly unresolvable?
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: The process inevitably shifts from a search for truth into
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: a cold legal calculation. In cases with this magnitude of
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: indisputable horror, the legal mechanics often prioritize certainty and finality
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: over a prolonged pursuit of closure.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: Which perfectly explains the plea deal. Jeremy Best initially entered
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: a plea of not guilty. But ultimately, he reversed course
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: and changed his plea to guilty on all charges. And
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: the calculation there was entirely about the death penalty.
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: If we connect this to the bigger picture, we have
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: to remember that Idaho is a state that retains capital punishment.
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: Pleading guilty in a capital murder case, especially one with
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: overwhelming physical, auditory, and forensic evidence, is a calculated survival strategy.
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: Right, just to stay alive.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: If the defense had taken this to trial, arguing the
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: bipolar psychosis angle, They would be fighting an immense uphill
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: battle against the try-calling-the-cops audio and the execution-style forensics.
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: A trial would have been an absolute agonizing spectacle.
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: A grueling months-long traumatic event.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: It would force the families, the neighbors, and the community
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: to endure every horrific forensic photograph and audio clip in public.
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: And the likelihood of a jury handing down a death
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: sentence for the slaughter of a pregnant woman and an
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: infant is extraordinarily high.
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: Undoubtedly. By pleading guilty, the defense essentially trades his right
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: to a trial for a guarantee of physical survival, accepting
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: that he will die of old age in a concrete cell.
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: For the state, accepting the plea secures a guaranteed conviction
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: and avoids the decades of agonizing, mandatory taxpayer-funded appeals that
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: always accompany death row inmates.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: So it bypasses the trial and moves straight to the
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: sentencing phase. And this is where the contrast between the
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: gravity of destroying three lives and And a 16-second apology
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: is just, it's jarring. In the courtroom, given the final
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: chance to speak, to address the absolute destruction of his
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: entire family, Jeremy Best's statement lasted a mere 16 seconds.
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: 16 seconds to address the end of three human lives.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: I cannot get over the math of that. You alter
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: the course of generations. You leave your mother in a
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: state of permanent grief. And your response takes less time
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  Speaker 1: than a commercial break.
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  Speaker 2: It's hard to reconcile.
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  Speaker 1: He offered brief apologies to the Randall family, Callie's family,
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  Speaker 1: his own family, and the community of Teton Valley. He
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: simply stated, I have no excuse for my actions.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 1: And that was the end of it.
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  Speaker 2: It is a stark, incredibly hollow conclusion to a narrative
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  Speaker 2: filled with so much noise, violence, and terror. I have
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  Speaker 2: no excuse. From a psychological standpoint, we will never truly
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: know what drove that brevity.
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  Speaker 1: You mean whether it was genuine or not?
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  Speaker 2: Right. Was his medication finally stabilized in jail, allowing him
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: to genuinely realize the indefensible horror of what he did?
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  Speaker 2: Or was it just highly sanitized, legally advised brevity to
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: avoid saying anything that could be used against him later?
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  Speaker 1: Probably the latter.
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  Speaker 2: Regardless of the intent, to the victim's families, a 16-second
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  Speaker 2: apology for an execution-style murder And the butchering of a
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  Speaker 2: baby feels like a bureaucratic formality, not remorse.
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  Speaker 1: The judge, however, did not hold back. The sentencing was
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  Speaker 1: definitive and heavy. Jeremy Best was charged with second-degree murder
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  Speaker 1: for Callie, second-degree murder for Zeke, and first-degree murder for
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: the unborn baby Freya. He was handed three consecutive fixed
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  Speaker 1: life sentences without the possibility of parole.
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  Speaker 2: Plus the fines.
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  Speaker 1: Plus there were massive financial penalties. a $ 50, 000 fine, and
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: a $ 5, 000 compensatory fine for each count.
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  Speaker 2: I want to break down the legal threshold of those
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  Speaker 2: charges because it is highly specific. Why second degree for
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: the mother and child, but first degree for the unborn baby?
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  Speaker 2: In legal terms, the distinction between first and second degree
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  Speaker 2: murder hinges on mens rea, the state of mind, specifically
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  Speaker 2: premeditation and deliberation.
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  Speaker 1: So second degree implies a crime of passion or an
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  Speaker 1: intent to kill that was formed in the immediate heat
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  Speaker 1: of the moment without prior planning.
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  Speaker 2: Correct. The court likely accepted that the murders of Callie
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: and Zeke were explosive, immediate escalations of domestic violence. However,
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: charging first degree murder for the unborn child invokes specific
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: fetal homicide laws, often designed to heavily penalize the destruction
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  Speaker 2: of a viable pregnancy.
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  Speaker 1: How does premeditation factor into that, though?
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  Speaker 2: The legal argument there often hinges on the idea that
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: attacking a pregnant woman with lethal force inherently carries the
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: premeditated knowledge that the unborn child cannot possibly survive the
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: mother's death. It is the law's way of strictly quantifying
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  Speaker 2: and punishing the loss of potential life.
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  Speaker 1: The judge's remarks on the loss of that potential life
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  Speaker 1: were incredibly poignant. It was almost devastating. poetry. He addressed
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: Jeremy directly and said, When a tree dies, so does
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  Speaker 1: every leaf. When you took the mother's life, you took hers.
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  Speaker 1: Her life was over before it began. A perfect little
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: body whose heart stopped when her mother stopped.
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  Speaker 2: The judge was articulating the absolute biological and moral finality
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: of the act. And notably, the judge also specifically addressed
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: the killing of the family dog.
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  Speaker 1: Right, which seems like a minor detail compared to the
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: human loss, but the judge made sure to elevate it.
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  Speaker 2: Because legally and psychologically, it is highly significant. The judge
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: noted that while human life obviously holds greater legal value,
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: the destruction of family pets is a well-documented hallmark of
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: extreme punitive domestic violence.
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  Speaker 1: It's an independent tragedy. Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Killing the dog isn't about removing a threat. It is
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  Speaker 2: the ultimate assertion of absolute control. It is a message
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  Speaker 2: that the abuser has the power to destroy every single
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: thing that brings comfort, joy, or love to the victims.
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  Speaker 1: And then the judge used a metaphor that I think
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: really anchors this entire deep dive. He told Jeremy, your
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: single act creates a chain reaction of consequences, spreading outwardly
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  Speaker 1: like ripples in a pond. He explicitly stated that anyone
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: touched by this offense will have dark clouds present in
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: their lives and in their memory forever.
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  Speaker 2: Ripples spreading outwardly. It is a perfect encapsulation of how
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: violence behaves. The kinetic energy of the crime doesn't stop
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: when the bodies fall. It moves through the families. It
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: moves through the neighbors who heard the desperate pleas. It
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: traumatizes the law enforcement officers who had to process the
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: blood-soaked sleeping bag, and it permanently scars the community of
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: Swan Valley.
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  Speaker 1: So we've journeyed from this seemingly perfect mythological romance, a
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: young couple falling in love in a custom VW van
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: driving through the Tetons without a map. And we've tracked
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: how the crushing weight of a $ 100, 000 medical debt, severe
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: physical pain, the abuse of dissociative drugs, and a potentially
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: catastrophic unmedicated bipolar psychosis turned that idyllic facade into an
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: inescapable pressure cooker.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly.
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  Speaker 1: We listened to the escalation, the normalization of smashed electronics,
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: the terrifying verbal erasure in those videos, the desperate warnings
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  Speaker 1: from a mother. And we followed the forensic timeline to
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: a cold, brutal end in the snow, leaving a judge
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  Speaker 1: to hand down three life sentences to a man who
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: apologized in 16 seconds.
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  Speaker 2: It is a profound, almost suffocating amount of darkness to process.
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: And as we close this analysis, I want to leave
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: the listener with a final thought to mull over. Building
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: directly on that judge's metaphor of the ripples in the pond.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: When a crime of this magnitude occurs, the justice system
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: is designed to do exactly one thing. Locate the center
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: of the splash, the perpetrator, and lock them away. It
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: removes the rock from the pond. But the justice system
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: has absolutely no mechanism, no legal tools, and no power
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: to heal the ripples. I want you to think about
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: people like Patricia, Jeremy's mother. Survivors of these catastrophic domestic
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: events are left in a permanent, unresolvable state of ambiguous grief.
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: Ambiguous grief. Meaning they can't fully mourn because the situation
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: defies normal human categorization.
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: Exactly. They're completely isolated. They are mourning the innocent victims
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: who were stolen from them while simultaneously mourning the killer.
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: a child they raised and loved who somehow became a monster.
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  Speaker 2: The gavel drops, the courtroom clears, the journalists go home,
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  Speaker 2: and the case file is closed. But for the people
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: caught in those outer ripples, the life sentence is just beginning.
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: That is an incredibly heavy reality to sit with. But
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: it is exactly why we do this. It's why we
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: don't just accept the surface narrative of a true crime headline.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us on this deep dive.
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: Keep asking those tough questions, keep looking past the curated
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: social media facades, and keep seeking to understand the incredibly complex,
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: sometimes terrifying, psychological layers operating just beneath the surface of
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: the people around us. We'll catch you next time.