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From Montserrat Runways To Calypso Crowns: Terry Lyons On Grit, Culture, And Craft; · Corie Sheppard Podcast

• 0:02
  Corie: I'm gonna have to introduce guests now, right?
• 0:03
  Corie: I used to just start talking and tell them how to introduce people.
• 0:06
  Corie: Oh and if Crocrow is the four king king, today we have the four queen king, four queen queen boys say four queen queen.
• 0:17
  Corie: Speech getting complicated.
• 0:19
  Corie: Welcome to the show, Terry Lyons.
• 0:20
  Corie: How are you going, man?
• 0:21
  Corie: I am fine.
• 0:22
  Corie: Congratulations.
• 0:23
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you very much.
• 0:24
  Corie: You're taking them in Montreal, but you ain't playing with them.
• 0:26
  SPEAKER_01: Oh gosh.
• 0:28
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you go over there to win, so it's like you had a win to go over there.
• 0:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you have to win to go over there, and I just decide, you know, the crown was a king on in my house.
• 0:38
  SPEAKER_01: The aesthetics.
• 0:40
  Corie: From the day you get, you're never really getting it back.
• 0:42
  Corie: No, I didn't.
• 0:43
  Corie: I was like them spoiled trains.
• 0:45
  SPEAKER_01: Mine.
• 0:47
  Corie: It's not one of those things in politics where you can only run versus it.
• 0:50
  Corie: No time you could do it.
• 0:52
  Corie: No, no, I can keep it as long as I want to.
• 0:54
  Corie: So how would Wendy's here?
• 0:55
  Corie: How was your performance on everything?
• 0:56
  SPEAKER_01: It was the performance now.
• 0:58
  SPEAKER_01: Let me tell you something.
• 0:58
  SPEAKER_01: Going to Monserrat is always a joy of going there.
• 1:02
  SPEAKER_01: The people are very welcoming.
• 1:04
  SPEAKER_01: They love, I mean, thank you.
• 1:07
  SPEAKER_01: Just be waiting.
• 1:09
  SPEAKER_01: You understand?
• 1:10
  SPEAKER_01: Getting there is the headache.
• 1:11
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my gosh.
• 1:12
  SPEAKER_01: The sponsors, trying to get the support.
• 1:16
  SPEAKER_01: That'll be the headache, you understand?
• 1:18
  SPEAKER_01: But then I'll take my frustration and just release it on stage.
• 1:21
  Corie: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:22
  Corie: I wish I had that kind of frustration to release it.
• 1:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I don't do that.
• 1:24
  SPEAKER_01: I don't do that.
• 1:25
  SPEAKER_01: Or else it's either it will hamper you.
• 1:28
  SPEAKER_01: So you take that frustration and then I just release it on stage.
• 1:31
  SPEAKER_01: I say, Terry, you catch your nanon to reach you.
• 1:35
  SPEAKER_01: Overdo it.
• 1:37
  Corie: When you say catch your nanny, I thought this is flight to mean and I know you and the flight is not fine.
• 1:42
  SPEAKER_01: I hate Montserrat.
• 1:43
  SPEAKER_01: I hate all your flight.
• 1:44
  SPEAKER_01: I love all you, but I hate them planes.
• 1:47
  Corie: They love your back.
• 1:48
  Corie: They love your back.
• 1:48
  SPEAKER_01: I don't like no planes.
• 1:49
  SPEAKER_01: And then the first time I ever went to Montserrat, I was in 2020, 2022.
• 1:54
  SPEAKER_01: And on the plane, it's only me and four other people.
• 1:58
  SPEAKER_01: First of all, it's only Oscar Fit.
• 2:00
  SPEAKER_01: And then on top of that, the pilot goes to say, Yes, this is so-so-so, whatever her name is.
• 2:08
  SPEAKER_01: We have six souls on board.
• 2:09
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, We dead already?
• 2:10
  SPEAKER_01: Six souls.
• 2:11
  SPEAKER_01: Six souls.
• 2:12
  SPEAKER_02: I don't like that.
• 2:12
  SPEAKER_02: I say, hello, my name is Terry.
• 2:15
  SPEAKER_02: We have five souls and Terry on board.
• 2:18
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know about this.
• 2:19
  Corie: Anytime I'm on a flight where I can hear the pilot directly and he hear me have a problem.
• 2:22
  Corie: Thank you.
• 2:23
  SPEAKER_01: I like the toxic relationship.
• 2:24
  SPEAKER_01: I like the long distance relationship.
• 2:26
  SPEAKER_01: I don't see you.
• 2:27
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know your name.
• 2:28
  SPEAKER_01: I just hear your voice.
• 2:30
  SPEAKER_01: Now and then you feel to talk to me.
• 2:32
  SPEAKER_01: I accustomed to that.
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_01: Anytime I could rest my hand on the pilot's shoulder, that is too.
• 2:38
  Corie: It's like a time I go into Bago, you had the eight years already, yeah.
• 2:41
  Corie: And something happened, but you know you're delayed.
• 2:43
  Corie: But so they go to a non-seley and thing it done on the plane, you get through.
• 2:46
  Corie: And at some point in time, I see the propeller spin it stop.
• 2:49
  Corie: It's spin it stop.
• 2:50
  Corie: I've right now, huh?
• 2:52
  SPEAKER_02: I would have to.
• 2:53
  Corie: I see one of the pilots come out.
• 2:54
  Corie: She comes out, open it and take out like a manual and go back inside as well.
• 2:58
  Corie: A manual?
• 2:59
  Corie: It looked like a manual to me.
• 3:00
  Corie: What book you're taking out?
• 3:01
  Corie: And then the plane starts or so you drop me out here.
• 3:03
  SPEAKER_01: I tell them Monserrat next time I come and I fly with a parachute.
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_01: Them planes is not as no, no, no, no.
• 3:12
  SPEAKER_01: And then when you reach Montserrat, anytime I could see the start of the runway and the end of the runway at the same time.
• 3:22
  Corie: Trouble.
• 3:22
  Corie: Trouble.
• 3:23
  Corie: But it's home for you.
• 3:24
  Corie: It's home for you.
• 3:24
  Corie: Yes, it's home.
• 3:25
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, when it when you land, the people are welcoming.
• 3:28
  SPEAKER_01: They feed you well, thank God, because I'm an eater.
• 3:31
  SPEAKER_01: That's my vice.
• 3:31
  SPEAKER_01: I like to eat.
• 3:33
  Corie: I tried to let you drink, but it didn't happen.
• 3:35
  Corie: It didn't happen.
• 3:36
  Corie: We had to try something else.
• 3:37
  Corie: No, we know.
• 3:38
  SPEAKER_01: Nah.
• 3:38
  SPEAKER_01: Very welcoming.
• 3:39
  SPEAKER_01: I enjoyed myself there in Montserrat.
• 3:41
  SPEAKER_01: And that's a wrong day carnival, huh?
• 3:43
  Corie: Right, right.
• 3:43
  SPEAKER_01: So while we're eating that singing, we wish you a Merry Christmas.
• 3:46
  SPEAKER_01: They chang jum.
• 3:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they're ready.
• 3:48
  SPEAKER_01: They're ready.
• 3:49
  SPEAKER_01: This mask.
• 3:50
  Corie: I had to ask you when because for people who don't know, you win the competition here.
• 3:53
  Corie: You get into a queen of queen.
• 3:55
  Corie: So everybody who's there has won.
• 3:56
  SPEAKER_01: Everybody who has who is there representing their island, they have won the monarch in their country, or they were the highest place female.
• 4:05
  SPEAKER_01: Because let's be real, it's male dominated.
• 4:08
  SPEAKER_01: So it's not every year the woman is going to win, actually, come first.
• 4:12
  SPEAKER_01: So if she comes third or second or fourth, once she's the highest place female in the highest competition competition in their island, she can now qualified to represent their country.
• 4:25
  SPEAKER_01: Because when you go over there, it's not you you're representing, you're representing your country.
• 4:30
  Corie: We have representing country, no.
• 4:32
  Corie: You've been doing that.
• 4:33
  SPEAKER_01: So that's why they call it queen of queens.
• 4:35
  SPEAKER_01: Because when you win, now you are the queen of all queens.
• 4:38
  SPEAKER_01: So queen of the Caribbean.
• 4:41
  Corie: For queen queen.
• 4:49
  Corie: People is know the song before you hit the stage.
• 4:51
  Corie: The crowd familiar with it.
• 4:57
  SPEAKER_01: Um, don't they know they didn't know.
• 4:59
  SPEAKER_01: I yeah, didn't play it anywhere.
• 5:01
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't even get it in time to release the perform it.
• 5:05
  SPEAKER_01: But when Calypso, you score music out.
• 5:08
  SPEAKER_01: So that was the first time they heard that song.
• 5:11
  SPEAKER_01: And then I took my song I Am Lion because you could do one new and one previous once you haven't won a competition with it.
• 5:18
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, okay, okay.
• 5:19
  SPEAKER_01: So I took I Am Lion and I slow it down.
• 5:21
  SPEAKER_01: I turned it into a calypso and I wrote extra verses and I sang that.
• 5:27
  Corie: Two songs, two rounds, and both judged.
• 5:30
  Corie: Both judged.
• 5:30
  Corie: I see, like the old manar date.
• 5:32
  Corie: Yeah, yeah, back in the day, it's a song.
• 5:34
  Corie: I asked because of how people respond to you with the songs.
• 5:37
  Corie: The first the first one I saw it with was Ask a Man.
• 5:39
  Corie: Before we get back to Blessings, yeah.
• 5:41
  Corie: The way people was responding to that song, I said, but like they know it.
• 5:44
  SPEAKER_01: But I mean, it's a Caribbean.
• 5:47
  SPEAKER_01: They like the lacker, they like the backup.
• 5:49
  SPEAKER_01: You understand?
• 5:50
  SPEAKER_01: They love the backup.
• 5:51
  SPEAKER_01: So the whole, and then it's a topic that happens to everybody.
• 5:54
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, it happened to me and all I had to ask my man after that.
• 5:58
  Corie: Let's skip that.
• 5:58
  Corie: It's getting uncomfortable.
• 6:00
  Corie: I know the people is being watching.
• 6:01
  Corie: I don't talk about these things until about an hour and a half feet.
• 6:04
  Corie: And when my wife stopped watching, then I just kind of bring up these kinds of without.
• 6:10
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, when the credits going up, that's when you have to talk about it.
• 6:12
  Corie: So they say, What about Axioman?
• 6:13
  Corie: I said his manager that ain't good at it.
• 6:15
  Corie: So let me start again.
• 6:15
  Corie: Yeah, we're gonna run back to the yeah.
• 6:17
  SPEAKER_01: Well, it's nice being here on the show.
• 6:19
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you for having me start over.
• 6:20
  Corie: So Axioman.
• 6:21
  Corie: Yeah, no, but I mean, you're talking about being on stage and performances and stuff, and you are known for at for embodying the song.
• 6:31
  Corie: So when I was looking at the way you perform that thing, you build it back and I don't lacquer into the lyrics here, but in terms of how you perform it.
• 6:38
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
• 6:38
  Corie: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 6:39
  Corie: That was good.
• 6:40
  Corie: And they receive it, they receive it.
• 6:41
  SPEAKER_01: I enjoyed myself singing that.
• 6:44
  SPEAKER_01: I enjoy singing it songs.
• 6:45
  Corie: Many experiences.
• 6:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, I enjoy singing that song.
• 6:49
  Corie: So blessings, congratulations on it.
• 6:51
  Corie: Thank you, man.
• 6:51
  Corie: Big song, if you ask me, if you ask me, I I like this song a lot.
• 6:54
  Corie: Uh timing of its importance in terms of the message for our country.
• 6:58
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
• 6:59
  SPEAKER_01: I had that song like about close to two years now.
• 7:02
  Corie: Yeah.
• 7:02
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I finished wrote it this year with the help of Maria Bowler.
• 7:07
  SPEAKER_01: Oh.
• 7:07
  SPEAKER_01: Because she's also part of my creative, you know.
• 7:11
  SPEAKER_01: And because she's the one that wrote Axie Man for me.
• 7:14
  SPEAKER_01: And this year I said Maria, because I just get writers block.
• 7:18
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 7:18
  SPEAKER_01: So when I started to get the writers back, I said Maria, I just need you to help me wake up this fire in my hair.
• 7:24
  SPEAKER_01: Because when I started get writers back, I will rest on a song for like a whole month to then re to revisit.
• 7:30
  SPEAKER_01: And we had our time.
• 7:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 7:32
  SPEAKER_01: Because we only have a month.
• 7:33
  Corie: Yeah.
• 7:36
  SPEAKER_01: So I had Maria to step in and help, you know, read back that fine metal, finish the song and stuff, and she will help.
• 7:44
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, big up to Maria Pula.
• 7:46
  Corie: Yeah, so the concept for this song, y'all came up with it just based on well, the blessings are blessings are something that I had from before.
• 7:52
  SPEAKER_01: As I said, I started the song from before.
• 7:54
  SPEAKER_01: So Maria helped me finish it.
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_01: Blessings.
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_01: I sometimes get up at three o'clock in the morning and be like, I get a melody, like a ninja and be.
• 8:02
  SPEAKER_01: No, it is not OBI.
• 8:04
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 8:04
  SPEAKER_01: So I will be there three o'clock in the morning.
• 8:08
  SPEAKER_01: But that is the time I just like to write.
• 8:11
  SPEAKER_01: When my son asleep, it's still up the morning, I guess.
• 8:15
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 8:15
  SPEAKER_01: I just always wake up that that that hour, not forcefully, you know.
• 8:20
  SPEAKER_01: I don't have no alarm or anything like that.
• 8:22
  SPEAKER_01: I was just wake up, and every time I look, it's around three o'clock.
• 8:25
  SPEAKER_01: And that's when I would like to start a song, finish a song, or start learning my song.
• 8:31
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 8:31
  SPEAKER_01: I like to do that.
• 8:32
  SPEAKER_01: And then after I start to learn my song in noise.
• 8:35
  SPEAKER_01: I like to learn my song in noise.
• 8:36
  Corie: When is it learning in noise?
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_01: Like with distractions.
• 8:39
  SPEAKER_01: Like I'll walk in on Federal Street and I'll be singing it in my head.
• 8:42
  SPEAKER_01: Somebody will be talking to me, hey Terry, can I have a pit here?
• 8:45
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm humming it in my head.
• 8:47
  SPEAKER_01: So never so I will never be thrown off on stage no matter what happens.
• 8:53
  Corie: I'm standing.
• 8:54
  Corie: I'm taking pointers and I plan to go on stage at some point.
• 8:57
  Corie: I ain't singing a damn thing.
• 8:59
  Corie: I just tried to remember question here.
• 9:01
  Corie: I just want to humble question.
• 9:05
  Corie: No, but I saw the performance of that in Montserrat.
• 9:07
  Corie: There's a question I had for you.
• 9:08
  Corie: Even before that, I had the question for you from Queen of Soco.
• 9:11
  Corie: But I'd ask about your knees, Terry.
• 9:13
  Corie: I see you drop down on your knee.
• 9:16
  SPEAKER_01: Everybody was asking me that.
• 9:17
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I said, nah, it's a technique, it's a technique.
• 9:19
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't drop like my whole way, just drop on my knees.
• 9:22
  Corie: No, we're only lean forward here.
• 9:25
  Corie: I said, but what is going on?
• 9:26
  Corie: I see.
• 9:28
  Corie: Oh, all right.
• 9:29
  Corie: Cooking.
• 9:31
  Corie: So is that gym girl and taking a working out trip?
• 9:33
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not a gym girl, I'm a kitchen girl.
• 9:34
  Corie: Yeah.
• 9:35
  SPEAKER_01: And when I say kitchen girl, I doesn't mean cooking.
• 9:37
  SPEAKER_01: I am the taster.
• 9:38
  SPEAKER_01: I'm a professional taster.
• 9:40
  SPEAKER_01: I like to eat.
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_01: I love to eat.
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_01: So yes, the kitchen is the best part of the house for me.
• 9:47
  SPEAKER_01: Once I have food and everything, I inside.
• 9:49
  SPEAKER_01: I'm uh yeah.
• 9:50
  Corie: Yeah, fitness on point.
• 9:50
  Corie: It's something you ain't telling me.
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_01: I have God is God bless me with great metabolism.
• 9:55
  SPEAKER_01: And I thank him for that.
• 9:57
  SPEAKER_01: Because if he didn't, I would have been an Umple Lumpa.
• 10:00
  SPEAKER_01: I surely would have been an Umpolumpa.
• 10:02
  Corie: Yeah.
• 10:02
  SPEAKER_01: I tell it, yeah.
• 10:03
  SPEAKER_02: I would have been an Umpaloompa.
• 10:05
  Corie: Yeah, from the moment the drop beating me so I see you drop, I say, all right, well, that is Carlos territory now.
• 10:09
  Corie: They must be what the other competitors say when they when they see you coming, competitors don't just say, Well, okay.
• 10:15
  SPEAKER_01: No, actually, the um, if it's one thing, and for the past three years, because the first time, you know, the first year, different queens from different islands get to know each other.
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, some would be kind of iffy at first until by like the third day, then everybody mesh.
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_01: So by the second year that I've been there, uh should be told, every time, like backstage, because they put your marks up on stage first rounds.
• 10:39
  SPEAKER_01: First rounds, your marks goes up on stage before you can see.
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_01: Everybody marks, everybody marks as you finish perform before your feet could touch that last step, your mark is up for the whole crowd of everybody who's seeing online.
• 10:57
  SPEAKER_01: It's going up on the big screen.
• 10:59
  SPEAKER_01: Everyone sees it.
• 11:00
  SPEAKER_01: The second rounds, they don't put it up because then if there are people who good with marks, they will know the winner, right?
• 11:06
  SPEAKER_01: So for the first round, your marks just go up.
• 11:09
  SPEAKER_01: And most times, of course, when they realize all right, Terry had the highest marks and the first marks.
• 11:14
  SPEAKER_01: Now, by second wrongs, I mean things could change by second rounds.
• 11:17
  SPEAKER_01: You know, you never know.
• 11:19
  SPEAKER_01: But somehow all the other queens from different islands be like, Terry, take it.
• 11:23
  SPEAKER_01: Take it.
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_01: I just be like, You didn't come here to compete against me.
• 11:28
  SPEAKER_01: Why are they rallying around me to take it?
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_01: Why are they rallying around me?
• 11:32
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, nah, Terry, you need to get this.
• 11:35
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, so you know what you're going to do.
• 11:40
  SPEAKER_01: It's like Terry does say that.
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_01: You need to take it, you need to, we want you to win.
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_01: And that's that that does like that's always always tell people, I'm my biggest daughter.
• 11:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I am.
• 11:53
  SPEAKER_01: I am my biggest daughter.
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_01: I will doubt everything.
• 11:55
  Corie: So you're going into that with doubts or do you?
• 11:57
  SPEAKER_01: I just always go, I don't underestimate anyone ever.
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_01: My mother taught me that don't ever underestimate.
• 12:04
  SPEAKER_01: There's always that black horse.
• 12:06
  SPEAKER_01: Because once there was once in the Calypso Arena, I was a black horse.
• 12:10
  SPEAKER_01: Nobody wasn't expecting me 2020.
• 12:12
  Corie: Yeah, everybody is so catchamped.
• 12:14
  Corie: Everybody's got a chance.
• 12:18
  SPEAKER_01: I and all wasn't even expecting myself in 2020.
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_01: Everybody had the the the common denominators for the finals.
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_01: Common denominator for the final.
• 12:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 12:28
  SPEAKER_01: So nobody wasn't expecting Terry Lyons, even for the finals.
• 12:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_01: When I heard the two names, I and all was I was sitting on in the truck eating cookies, chocolate chips, to be exact.
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, Terry Yengue, mighty says I said, for what?
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_01: You understand?
• 12:43
  SPEAKER_01: I said, because I already have it in my head, this was my second time to the finals ever.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_03: Right, right.
• 12:49
  SPEAKER_01: The first time was in 2017, and I came fourth.
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_01: And after that, I did not make the finals ever.
• 12:55
  SPEAKER_01: And then 2020, that was the second time ever to the finals.
• 12:59
  SPEAKER_01: I said, I'm not gonna give me that.
• 13:01
  Corie: Yeah, so at that time, 2020 was uh they had changed it, or it was two songs, or it was two songs.
• 13:08
  SPEAKER_01: That was the last year for the two songs, yeah.
• 13:10
  Corie: Yeah, yeah, they had the last time we sang.
• 13:13
  Corie: And then they come back with the two songs.
• 13:14
  SPEAKER_01: With the two songs, yeah.
• 13:15
  Corie: So you're not monarch, monarch.
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_01: That was the yes, and then I held it for three years.
• 13:19
  SPEAKER_01: Thanks for COVID.
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_01: That is weird saying thanks to COVID.
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_01: There's no way in hell we should ever be saying thank you, COVID.
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_01: But it's because of COVID.
• 13:28
  SPEAKER_01: I had I held it for the three years.
• 13:30
  Corie: Yeah, that's what I was telling when you talk last night.
• 13:33
  Corie: I say, listen, when this Queen Elizabeth thing comes, I say it's only our one longest reading.
• 13:40
  Corie: So the two songs was what again?
• 13:41
  Corie: It was Obia.
• 13:42
  SPEAKER_01: It was Obia and Prince Harry, Megan My Dear.
• 13:45
  Corie: Yeah, Megan My Dear.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_01: You know, a pick off of Sparrows.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_01: Um Philip My Deal.
• 13:50
  Corie: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 13:51
  Corie: It's something I want to ask you about in terms of when you go good with songs, because when I see Megan My Dear, and and with your history, you know that you're sort of paying respect or you know, using that.
• 14:03
  Corie: I see OBR simple similar as well because OBR was a big, big song with Shadow back in the day.
• 14:08
  Corie: Yeah, and and and even Calypso.
• 14:11
  Corie: When I you know, I always when you did Calypso, right?
• 14:14
  Corie: I see you had a real belly to name a song Calypso when when when Calypso in 1887 was it was so deliberate for you in terms of you you see that as paying homage, or yeah, I see that as paying homage.
• 14:27
  SPEAKER_01: I'm a big fan of of Shadow, right?
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_01: And people like Black Stalin and stuff.
• 14:32
  SPEAKER_01: When I when I have to write, uh do any sort of music, I listen to a lot of Black Stalin, you may believe.
• 14:38
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 14:38
  SPEAKER_01: Because Black Stalin, well, it's it took me like real years to realize that that song that Black Stalin sang wasn't a love song.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_01: We will make it if we try.
• 14:51
  Corie: You were singing about relationships.
• 14:52
  SPEAKER_01: I thought it was our I thought it was our wedding, you know, songs that you were playing out.
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yo, people were playing that in weddings.
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_01: We will make it if we try.
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_01: Doom doom doom does.
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_01: Any reaction is a love reaction.
• 15:03
  SPEAKER_01: This man is singing about recession, yeah.
• 15:05
  Corie: Political commentary, yeah.
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_01: It's only when I had to learn the song for sure.
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, but wait, this is not a love song.
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_01: This song slightly so I was like, so why the hell people used to be in feds hug up and watching each other in the eyes, we go make it if we try and kiss it up and fets like I see that when I as a young girl backstage with my father, went back side and reached on stage, you see the couples find each other and dance.
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, only was dancing to the pressure.
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_01: It shows you the difference then and no to it because it also shows his creativity where he's singing something that is so social, it's a social commentary song, but it had that dance party vibe, and that is how I end up with the axe with the axe.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_01: Man, I decided to do the music like that, and then Calypso.
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_01: Calypso is um more or less tribute to our culture, calypso, and the creation of it, because a lot of people don't know it came over here through our ancestors when they were brought here and made slaves, and the slaves will use calypso in order to educate those who weren't literate, of course.
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_01: So that's how they pass on teachings and all these sort of things.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_01: So that was that's why I didn't put horns in it because calypso back then was drums and rhythms and mouth.
• 16:26
  Corie: So deliberate.
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_01: So it was deliberate and did it like that.
• 16:29
  SPEAKER_01: So that's why I said in the days of Masters and Slaves, yeah, that was the poor man's papers.
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_03: Of course.
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_01: And the main line in the whole song is respect the spark that start the flame, because as Bob Mali said himself, that was the first music.
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_01: So all genres came out of that.
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_01: So you have to respect the spark that started flame, and as I always tell people when they tell me Calypso dying, I say, well, then seeing that Calypso is dying, as you say, our culture is dying, then why aren't we not being the superman and superwoman?
• 17:00
  Corie: I don't buy the argument at all.
• 17:01
  Corie: I don't understand.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_01: I don't buy the argument at all.
• 17:03
  Corie: And they say Calypso dying, so coming back.
• 17:09
  Corie: But I glad you say that because all this one, your your some of them calypsos, even even look look at Obi as one of them too.
• 17:15
  Corie: This is the same thing.
• 17:16
  Corie: The bunks, you're talking about something in our society, but the bunks of it.
• 17:19
  Corie: That one in Montra was another one.
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my gosh, they love that over there.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_01: They shocked me.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, nothing like this, Obi are too much.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_01: No, I can only have the ingredients.
• 17:27
  Corie: Yeah, they remember it.
• 17:28
  Corie: It's probably ancestors, and when you say it, then we have to like, you know, I mean, it's a like, and then a storytelling, Caleb.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_01: So it's storytelling and folk and and so forth.
• 17:37
  SPEAKER_01: So that's why I think people resonate with that, you know, and with on with being all funny within it, it sends message in, you know, yeah, for sure.
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_01: Because as is true, I mean, you do so don't, I mean, you'll always have a best friend, but not because as a best friend, you will tell your best friend every single business between you and your husband, like, come on, it might not be your best friend sometimes in your head will be like, and you complaining?
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_01: Because remember, sometimes your best friend don't even have what you have.
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, of course.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_01: So when you complain about that, and she head will be like, I wish I had that to complain.
• 18:13
  Corie: Yeah, be careful.
• 18:14
  Corie: Yeah, but be careful.
• 18:15
  Corie: So, yeah.
• 18:16
  Corie: So when you have the two songs, you're going to that would be the first time you go into the Queen of Queens competition, yes?
• 18:22
  Corie: So, and you have to sing one that you win with and one that you didn't win with.
• 18:25
  Corie: So, what's the one?
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_01: One that's well, both of them, um most of the times I entered the ones that I I didn't win with.
• 18:33
  Corie: Right.
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_01: Um, none of my songs, I only the Obi and the Megan is the ones that I went with.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_01: Also, that yeah you went to my own.
• 18:39
  Corie: That's when I was with took with those two.
• 18:41
  Corie: Are they responsible to Megan my day over there?
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, they love it.
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_01: Serious, they love it.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_01: From the time I come up, watch your girl black, see that never go back.
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_01: They're like, never eat that white black media.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_01: Again, a playoff.
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's open with that.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_03: It's open with that.
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_03: You understand?
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_01: So it was great.
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_01: That they like that they say, Yes, girl, I don't know.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, okay, then that's serious.
• 19:07
  Corie: Yeah, that's why I can't buy into that thing with Calypso Dying because I was listening to when I was telling Alvin Daniel when I spoke to him the other day about merchant writing a song called Pain.
• 19:18
  Corie: World is used, yeah, you know what I mean?
• 19:20
  Corie: And and maybe it was no local thing.
• 19:22
  Corie: It wasn't, but it was discussed here in your rumshop or the barbershop, or the church, it was something that people was talking about, and especially in the way you put it across and that kind of thing.
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_01: So I surprised the only way I would think that um the Calypso thing that they will say how it dying and so forth, I think um politics had too much to play in in Calypso.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_01: From what I've heard from elders, you know, a long time.
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes politicians will ask certain Calypsoans or pay them to not sing certain songs or to sing certain songs, or and you'll get either a proper position.
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_01: Or whatever.
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_01: Or you make it to the finals, promises.
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_01: In the film.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_01: And then after a while, it just became so politic.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_01: Everybody with a politics song, politics song.
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_01: And it's like people want to laugh.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_01: You can do the humor and still send out.
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_01: I'd like I will always like the song from um Pink Panther.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_01: The misprint make always.
• 20:23
  Corie: Yeah, but that was like a side.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_01: I like that.
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_01: He attacked a serious issue with the you know misprint with the textbook, but at the same time, include.
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_01: I love misprinting.
• 20:36
  Corie: And you know the politicians is mad in the world.
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but mad.
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_01: I understand.
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_01: And but that was so well.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_01: Clever, clever, clever, clever.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_01: And that is what we're missing.
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_01: So even if you have to sing more politics, you could, you know, twist it.
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_01: It don't always have to be serious.
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_01: And then if you want to attract the youths, as we always say, you have to do things that you have to also speak their language.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_01: Every 10 years, things change.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_01: Every 10 years is a new set of people partying.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_01: Every 10 years is a new people.
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_01: So you now have to always be doing your research.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, how do how I do I grasp these children?
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_01: I just go and visit schools.
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_01: Half of the time, schools don't call me.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_01: I just call them and I just go and visit schools.
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_01: And it is embarrassing when you ask, oh, name me an icon.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_01: Calypso icon.
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_01: Skelly bang.
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_01: Bob Bali.
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_01: Young brother.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like Bob Marley.
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_01: I said he is an icon.
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_01: I said, but he's not a calypso icon.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_01: You understand me?
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_01: So that there and all that gives us a problem.
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_01: That's a problem right there.
• 21:49
  Corie: Of course, yeah.
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_01: That's a problem.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_01: Because if we lost them, that is it.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_01: Because in order for something to continue, it had to continue with them.
• 21:56
  Corie: And you said it's in the beginning, you know, sometimes it's in the stories and the documentation.
• 22:00
  Corie: Yeah, they upkeep it because you can't blame.
• 22:01
  Corie: I don't ever feel like you could blame youths for what they don't know.
• 22:04
  Corie: They don't know they're not born.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, and then we have to make it memorable.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_01: Um, it shocks me that a lot of kids from like holy faith and some of the convents will show up and see me on the road, and it's like, Derry, it's like I love your calypso, and I love calypso, and I love um axe and man and I was like, So I just be like, Okay, they listening.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_01: You don't really get teenagers 14 and 15 listening to Calypso.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, the first thing they say is it's boring.
• 22:34
  Corie: Yeah, old people think.
• 22:36
  Corie: But you see in a change, I see a change over the last few years.
• 22:39
  Corie: Like when David tell me Terry that's a good great, because I think the way you do it, among many others, doing it in a way where number one, like Miss Sprinter's a good example.
• 22:48
  Corie: That was all over the news.
• 22:49
  Corie: So you take anything.
• 22:50
  Corie: That Megan and Harry thing was crazy, you know.
• 22:53
  Corie: Remember, like, I always wonder why we pay so much attention to these royalty people, you know.
• 22:57
  Corie: You know, it's like we're supposed to be when when dad I'm married, the place stop, this woman dead, the place stop everybody watching.
• 23:04
  Corie: I I I can't take it so, but you talk about youths, right?
• 23:08
  Corie: I'm gonna find something here.
• 23:09
  Corie: You guys know that young man and on my memory and great.
• 23:11
  Corie: When you say connecting with youth, I just randomly.
• 23:14
  Corie: I was with Hoppy and them on the Scorch 101 Calypso uh soccer list.
• 23:20
  Corie: What was David?
• 23:21
  Corie: 10101 top soaker of all time.
• 23:23
  Corie: Uh-huh.
• 23:23
  Corie: They call David and I.
• 23:25
  Corie: And the last time they did it, they didn't have shorty on the list nowhere.
• 23:28
  Corie: So I really just went to say, hey, that's how to fix.
• 23:31
  Corie: Whatever that's all they do.
• 23:32
  Corie: And I did understand more the process when I went there, right?
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, cool.
• 23:35
  Corie: But one of the same young people you're talking about, must say, that melts no saddle work.
• 23:39
  Corie: If it's 19, it's plenty.
• 23:40
  Corie: That man says, Boy, only pick a list here.
• 23:43
  Corie: And I while I again for shorty, say, boy, all in, but cootine, all in, but could say, only list, and I say, but look at that.
• 23:49
  Corie: That is what we need.
• 23:50
  Corie: They have to defend their stars.
• 23:52
  Corie: The same way we defend me stars for the second.
• 23:54
  Corie: So I'm doing a little research on Kooting, and I come across a song named Jam Tong, you know it?
• 23:58
  Corie: I see produced by Tano, salute to Tano, written by Kootin, Tano, Michel Techo, Drill Saunders, all of them.
• 24:03
  Corie: Salute to all of them.
• 24:05
  Corie: Life Get Us by Kyle Peters, which seems to be the interesting life based by Joshua Richardson, backup vocals by Terry Lyons.
• 24:13
  Corie: You know what it is?
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_01: You know this one?
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, of course.
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_01: And the backgrounds on the majority of it, because he touches on uh a lot of the old kind of groovy style and feel.
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_01: Him and Tano.
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_01: Tano is the producer, very good on that.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_01: Um, Roman Coca-Cola had the backgrounds on that for Kess, even um Coco T at the backgrounds on that.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and a lot.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, there's a lot.
• 24:40
  Corie: Um you always hear you all now.
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_01: Wow, I I did I get um countless backgrounds.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_01: I even do backgrounds for Beanie Man.
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_01: Um Beanie Man, yeah, song that he had some years around the same year he did the remix for um Cast Up Moving with Me.
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, because he did a remix for my song because he heard it and he said, I like that song.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_01: You say, Miss You singer?
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_01: I said yes.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_01: He did it.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I was not like a big, you know.
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_01: I was always tell people I don't believe I'm famous, I just popular.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I popular.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_03: All right, yeah.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_01: When my son comes and say, Mommy, I'm trying and I'm saying you're famous.
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_01: I said, Tell them your mommy, your mommy popular, your mommy have popular money, not famous money.
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_02: Tell them don't do that because then they think they don't want to be coming from it.
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, let me know.
• 25:32
  Corie: Yeah, when they get famous, money be BIR and them startup.
• 25:35
  Corie: Then people we don't want to call it.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_02: Do not spread, don't do that, Bobby.
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_02: Don't do that.
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_02: They're listening.
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_02: We have popular money.
• 25:46
  Corie: When I see it, it stood out there because I saw, I mean, that's something we used to see all the time.
• 25:50
  Corie: Back in the day, when you listen to it, people used to do backgrounds, it was a common thing that I know.
• 25:54
  Corie: I'm not sure if it's as common.
• 25:56
  Corie: Yeah.
• 25:56
  Corie: So when I see a name there, I say, but how them connections coming about?
• 25:59
  Corie: And Tano salute to Tano.
• 26:00
  Corie: I mean, they have a salute to Tano.
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_01: They have a yeah, and and and Kutane, he he from the Zest world, you know.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm saying, but that that, you know, when you find a niche and that fits his his tone, his whole look, and everything.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_01: So and he's been he's been dominating there.
• 26:16
  Corie: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 26:17
  Corie: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_01: He's been dominating there, so that's why he continues with it.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_01: So real bad in that.
• 26:21
  Corie: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 26:22
  Corie: Bad, bad, bad, bad, bad.
• 26:23
  Corie: Every world, I don't know.
• 26:24
  Corie: Yeah, yeah, serious.
• 26:27
  Corie: I don't know.
• 26:28
  Corie: I want to see people like all.
• 26:30
  Corie: I want to see all your problems.
• 26:31
  Corie: I know you write something.
• 26:32
  Corie: I want to say, why you say that so that Maria Bowler too wants to say, oh, I come up with this line.
• 26:36
  Corie: I real fascinated by it.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_01: And she's very good with those.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, it's double as that.
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, she's very good with those things.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_01: Very, very good with those things.
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_01: Like, like for 2026, she wrote a song for now.
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_01: It would have been my song if they had like two songs.
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_01: Right, right, right, yeah.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_01: But there's one.
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_01: So we just say, Now we go with the blessings and let the other person do the other one.
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_01: She wrote a song of, you know, that Black Styling wife with the whole picture thing.
• 27:02
  Corie: Right, right.
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_01: That she can't hear that the picture she had.
• 27:05
  Corie: With the picture of him that was not his.
• 27:07
  SPEAKER_01: That wasn't hers.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_01: So she wrote a song for Carlo Sodian.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_01: She had the song there and she gave the other Callipsonian.
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_01: So she's it's like more or less saying, for years, I am married to Black Style.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_01: I'm his wife for years, and you're telling me I can't use his pick.
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_01: I can't use my husband pick.
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_01: So that double attached of pick and miss me.
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_01: You telling me I can't use my husband pick.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_02: Maria is real bad with them thing, and I know that's gonna mash up skin apart.
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_02: Because that's the party gonna be in front of me.
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my god, for sure.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_02: Which makes 2026 glasses that she was always every year, she has a new glasses.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, they're telling me I can't use my husband pick.
• 27:52
  Corie: Bad, bad, bad, bad, bad.
• 27:54
  Corie: But that's it, right?
• 27:55
  Corie: So I mean that.
• 27:55
  Corie: And that's what you know, the kind so that.
• 27:57
  Corie: Yes, it's it's it's have to be their video.
• 27:59
  Corie: It's gonna be that.
• 28:00
  Corie: I see in the video too.
• 28:01
  Corie: Yeah, with cutting on the Mrs.
• 28:03
  Corie: My new name is Mrs.
• 28:04
  Corie: Walker.
• 28:04
  Corie: Oh, I see.
• 28:05
  Corie: I apologize.
• 28:06
  Corie: Put handle on people's name, Mrs.
• 28:08
  Corie: Walker.
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_01: Mrs.
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_01: Walker, everybody knows sometimes I got someday on the day, I imported spin, I yeah, Mrs.
• 28:15
  SPEAKER_02: Walker.
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, no dice luminum, but noise me down.
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_02: I fell a passing go, Mrs.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_03: Walker.
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_02: Where do you hear?
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, yo, I put on the grid to look, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 28:26
  Corie: Like a hot cougar.
• 28:28
  Corie: Oh, that worked.
• 28:29
  Corie: It works.
• 28:30
  Corie: I was thought you was gonna say, but it's on to look old, you know.
• 28:33
  Corie: Well, it's supposed to.
• 28:34
  Corie: No, it didn't work, Terry's face.
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_01: Because everybody was like, Terry, that is that suit you try and wear that color.
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_01: I said, but it's supposed to be my local, you know.
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_01: It's like nah, that's it, it's trying to do it.
• 28:43
  Corie: Yeah, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad.
• 28:46
  Corie: And you know, the concept and stuff, and even that same thing we're talking about, like referencing Philip My Deal or referencing Obia.
• 28:52
  Corie: That's why I respect what they're doing as youth.
• 28:54
  Corie: Because at this age, you're bound to mention Mr.
• 28:57
  Corie: Walker ain't nothing you doing.
• 28:59
  Corie: If you don't want to, you know what I mean?
• 29:00
  Corie: They can write whatever they want to write.
• 29:02
  Corie: So I find that when you talk about that, calypso never die, you know, it's it's right there.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I I just believe that the youths need to do more research, and that is what Kutin and they did do.
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes they sit in the studio and they would just go way back and just listen to different calypses.
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_01: Some that they hear for the first time, because it are calypsos, I will introduce to them, and they'll be like, Oh, I never hear this.
• 29:24
  SPEAKER_01: And this is what they need to do more.
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_01: So when so in a in a in a time where you all have to put a list, or Scorch have to put a list together, and they put a list, and then the young DJs will be like, but I see you know this one here, and I see you know this one here.
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_01: Next time when they see a list like that, they will leave it as is because they'll realize, hey, this is the bosses 100%, and they will understand it.
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_01: But when you don't understand it and you don't know about those music from before you, you will just know up to where you're born.
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_01: Because plenty of them I tell them, I say, Oh, they're just born in there and people breathing long before breathing and breathing.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we inhaling this air long before the air was fresher before they reach air.
• 30:05
  SPEAKER_01: So don't feel is only when after when all you're born, to to when all you're growing is is is life now starting.
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_01: No, it had life before.
• 30:14
  Corie: Yeah, no, the start when you're born for something to do.
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_01: So big respect to Kutin.
• 30:18
  SPEAKER_01: So, how you saying, you know, how cooting on the list?
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, big respect to cootin, but remember the people who make way for cooting to even use those melodies and stuff.
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, them is the people we have on the list here.
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_01: So it's not just about knowing your history, knowing your history and actually taking that time to go and research.
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because if you could take the time to go and research Bob Marley, because I'm gonna tell you something, I could pull any DJ and they will give me and they will give me the history of Bob Marley and when he was born and what he does, what he likes for breakfast, how he likes he makes, and how he likes it turn to the left, what kind of spoon he likes, how much sugars he likes in the coffee.
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_01: They will know everything how he likes the twisty ras.
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_01: But yet, you right here in Trinidad and knows nothing about your own.
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_01: That does when I tell you that has pissed me off.
• 31:09
  Corie: That's piss me off.
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_01: Had next thing that has pissed me off.
• 31:12
  Corie: Tell me.
• 31:12
  Corie: Look at him.
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_01: Plenty of all plenty of, you don't even have a passport.
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_01: But have a Jamaican accent, easy mob.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_01: Plenty of all you don't get all your passports for the first time.
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_01: In clear customs in America yet, or even see outside yet.
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_01: You understand?
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_01: Because you know when you reach American customs, you're still unsure if you're going to see the outside gate.
• 31:35
  Corie: What do you mean?
• 31:36
  Corie: You had a number and best behavior.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_01: But you have an American accent, is map.
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_01: And I want all you to know that all of that contributes into support in your culture.
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_01: Music is your culture, how the way we dress, how we walk, how we speak.
• 31:51
  Corie: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 31:52
  Corie: And it's an important part.
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_01: That is important to contribute.
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_01: You can't tell me you love your culture, but yet when you're doing your digiting and I feel, yo, how what we think that's all?
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_01: Fling that thing that's over.
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_01: Hello, where you from?
• 32:05
  Corie: Yeah, it's an odd thing for me.
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_01: I just I just had to walk with my passport in certain shows because I just had to remind myself.
• 32:14
  Corie: No, and you you're talking about connecting it because connecting generation, I feel like that work we do in here too with the David and myself.
• 32:21
  Corie: Just and I I find it sometimes easier when I have somebody who might be an icon of it's a running this business.
• 32:28
  Corie: I find it easier to get feedback from young people who watch it and say, Well, I didn't know he did this and I didn't know we write that here, than to get someone.
• 32:35
  Corie: I put somebody who is current or young in the 20s.
• 32:38
  Corie: We do a lot of people say, Man here for and what he does to get here.
• 32:43
  Corie: And I was like, hey, listen, yeah, he's making your road just like all of us.
• 32:48
  SPEAKER_01: I just it's just research and connecting with what is yours.
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_01: You understand?
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_01: Because a lot of them think everything new, you know.
• 32:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I know.
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_01: I watched that as me killing myself.
• 32:59
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, hey, you hear that new road, and I remember like, oh, you know that rhythm this since I grew in primary school, right?
• 33:06
  Corie: I love biggest truth.
• 33:08
  Corie: One of the biggest truths in the carnival now is crazy, it's fullbone and them do a version of it.
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, oh, yeah.
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_01: I heard a young one's like, watch now, that melody, nice.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_01: That's what you have to come on with.
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_01: I said, Oh, you know, they two songs in one, right?
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_01: That's hearing a party.
• 33:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, with my baby, and crazy.
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_01: I say, Oh, you know, and then and you watching me like and I had to pull it up.
• 33:28
  SPEAKER_01: I say, Hell, wait.
• 33:30
  Corie: I love to see that reaction.
• 33:32
  SPEAKER_01: I said, I said, but them fellas and them bad with the penmanship.
• 33:34
  Corie: Yeah, no, no, no, they're bad, they're bad, they're bad, they're bad, they're bad.
• 33:37
  SPEAKER_01: Because to make it work, to make it work, because if it's one thing, I just always tell people anytime you have to touch them them icons and them songs, make sure you touch it right.
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_01: Them fellas touch it right.
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_01: And next person that that touched our uh icon song, and to me it was the best was was Maximus Dan.
• 33:58
  Corie: Yeah, but yeah.
• 33:59
  Corie: Papa was raised.
• 34:00
  SPEAKER_01: That that that was something else to yeah, you don't touch them because a lot of people like, so why you never do over one of your father's songs?
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_01: I said, Because I don't want John Public to kill me.
• 34:11
  Corie: Now we're waiting on that.
• 34:12
  Corie: We have to see.
• 34:13
  Corie: Let me make a joke now.
• 34:14
  Corie: You bring up your father, right?
• 34:15
  Corie: And that's same one on one thing.
• 34:16
  Corie: When because I we not really realizing that these youth in their 20s might not hear some of these songs.
• 34:22
  Corie: So when we think I see, but I say, but all they don't understand is blue boy.
• 34:25
  Corie: It's like, well, who blue boy?
• 34:27
  Corie: And I think how people play it, could have been Rebecca, you know, and them men and them, or was it a man wave?
• 34:35
  Corie: One of them songs, right?
• 34:36
  Corie: Yeah, and um them youth men's reaction is like there's all he has played mass too.
• 34:42
  Corie: All of them faces like this is what they're saying is one of the greatest so like Oliver hear this, Oliver, and then he pulls up a thing with them performing Rebecca on stage when people storm this stage, and all of them was like, Oh, all the dog, yeah, all of those like how now in them time I was still at T D Bapa backstage, couldn't be in the crowd because I ain't old enough.
• 35:04
  SPEAKER_01: But long time all the parents and grandmother and things used to go on real dirty before before super blue even touched the stage.
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_01: They don't mash up half of the savannah, they don't mash up the oval, cricket car play the next day, or they don't used to go on now, all them is them is for all this phone babies, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 35:27
  SPEAKER_01: Man on stage and all this so and talking about yeah, it was yeah, we get on bad.
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_01: When I see artists go on stage now and say, Yeah, get forward, I'll be like, their forward and the forwards in where I grew up seeing is not the same.
• 35:41
  Corie: Nah, it's not the same, it's not the same, it's not the same.
• 35:44
  Corie: I wish they could experience it.
• 35:45
  SPEAKER_01: Watch that when all they start to get forward, where Oli had to stop soaking for a whole three hours to build back a stage, then or Crosby's you remember.
• 35:55
  SPEAKER_01: Or crosby's.
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_01: Or when when the whole fet moves, when the whole fed starts to jump before a man even come on the stage and you're seeing the lights, used to feel it.
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_01: You're seeing each scaffold and actually swaying like that, swaying like that, and afraid for him to come on.
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_01: Because if it's swaying like that and he ain't coming on you, what will happen when you come on?
• 36:12
  Corie: And then he goes and climb that same scaffold.
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'm standing there.
• 36:16
  SPEAKER_01: When skin park, you couldn't see another hand on, it's only dust.
• 36:19
  Corie: Yeah, but imagine.
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, sticking that teacher, people as girl, but mm-mm.
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_01: All you don't know how to get because it had passion back then.
• 36:28
  Corie: Let me talk passion now.
• 36:29
  Corie: I like the word passion.
• 36:30
  Corie: What went on in Barbados, boy?
• 36:33
  Corie: It was Karifto, Carrie Festa.
• 36:35
  Corie: Carrie Fest.
• 36:35
  Corie: Oh my god.
• 36:36
  Corie: What going real?
• 36:37
  Corie: You were frustrated because your frustration on the stage.
• 36:42
  Corie: We know the formula now.
• 36:43
  Corie: What went on?
• 36:44
  Corie: Because that performance.
• 36:46
  Corie: You talk about some iconic performances.
• 36:48
  Corie: That would go down as one of the things.
• 36:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, everybody loved that Kyrie Festa.
• 36:52
  SPEAKER_01: And of course, Carrie Festa's different countries coming together and showcasing their flavor of the same thing because we all sing the same thing.
• 37:01
  SPEAKER_01: Or every island came there to sing so and calypso in their own way and in their own sound.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_01: And of course, Trinidad, as they say, being the Mecca, we had a represent.
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_01: And once high at that stage, and once you tell me it's to represent my country, hi aye.
• 37:19
  SPEAKER_01: I go in all out.
• 37:21
  SPEAKER_01: I jump off the stage.
• 37:23
  Corie: See, see your knees again.
• 37:24
  Corie: Yeah, this stage has some height.
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_01: You just yeah, that is true climbing all of the mango trees for all you tablet babies.
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_01: This climb mango tree, this run from dog.
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_01: When I up in the country, we run from goat too.
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_01: You understand?
• 37:43
  SPEAKER_01: This year used to be on um long time.
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_01: They used to make this thing to tote water.
• 37:49
  SPEAKER_01: And we will, yeah, and we will sit down on that no bricks going down a hill.
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_01: You understand?
• 37:55
  SPEAKER_01: The bricks, you know is your bricks?
• 37:57
  SPEAKER_01: Your bricks is a drain.
• 38:03
  SPEAKER_01: When you're coming down and you know it's an end, then you go close and you kind of drag it to the end.
• 38:08
  SPEAKER_01: Drag it to the end.
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_01: That was we bricks.
• 38:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, white man.
• 38:12
  SPEAKER_01: If you watch my legs now, it's not as I always tell people.
• 38:15
  SPEAKER_02: I if you take a good look at my legs, it does look sexy, but if you watch it properly, it have it have scars also.
• 38:25
  Corie: No, yeah, this is experience.
• 38:28
  SPEAKER_01: It has a lot of experience falling on from tree and all kind of things, life life, that's what I think.
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, life pelting big stone.
• 38:34
  SPEAKER_01: We used to play with big stone, pelting each other.
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_01: That was a game.
• 38:39
  Corie: Not today.
• 38:39
  SPEAKER_01: If you get hit, it's like, did you die though?
• 38:42
  Corie: Yeah, game today is um kind of crush on these things, you're confusing these people confusing me.
• 38:47
  SPEAKER_01: I'm telling you, insurance soft now.
• 38:49
  Corie: You bring up white man, I show up.
• 38:51
  Corie: The amount of white man I gave I run off that stage.
• 38:53
  Corie: But you ain't think twice, you run off run down in the crowd.
• 38:56
  Corie: The crowd was already real into the performance by that time.
• 38:58
  Corie: He was feeling it on on stage as well.
• 39:00
  Corie: Yeah, they were.
• 39:00
  Corie: Of course.
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_01: I was and from all other islands too, because it wasn't just Trinidad and supporters was there, it was the other islands, you know.
• 39:08
  SPEAKER_01: Who would they want to see what Trinidad has to offer?
• 39:11
  SPEAKER_01: Because you know, as much as they perform, everybody does still want to see, okay, what Trinidad coming with.
• 39:16
  SPEAKER_01: You understand?
• 39:17
  SPEAKER_01: And that was it.
• 39:18
  SPEAKER_01: And and I just always tell people what some half of the time what I rehearse on stage, I don't do like serious.
• 39:25
  Corie: So you just we feel it.
• 39:26
  SPEAKER_01: What I do this don't we rehearse at all?
• 39:29
  SPEAKER_01: Next thing if I spin so it's not what we I cannot adjust it.
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_01: If it's a very tight, tight chance, I'll do the one, two, three, four, one, two.
• 39:40
  SPEAKER_01: But when that vibe kick in, all you follow me.
• 39:43
  SPEAKER_01: I gone.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't even sing the second verse because it's two verses I was supposed to sing.
• 39:49
  SPEAKER_01: But when I started fling that flag, I say after flinging this flag, the best thing to do is walk off like a champion.
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_03: Oh my god, yeah, boy.
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_02: And that's what I did.
• 39:57
  SPEAKER_02: So the the okay person.
• 40:00
  SPEAKER_02: By the pan orchestra, she was like, I see you woke up.
• 40:03
  SPEAKER_02: She said, I say, yep, catch on.
• 40:06
  SPEAKER_02: Why come to sing her voice after that?
• 40:10
  SPEAKER_01: That high, and with that.
• 40:11
  Corie: Yeah, yeah.
• 40:12
  Corie: So to represent a country.
• 40:14
  SPEAKER_01: And with the high.
• 40:19
  Corie: Iconic, iconic, iconic.
• 40:21
  Corie: So they will kill me if I can go back in the early days, right?
• 40:24
  Corie: You you bring up your father and so on.
• 40:26
  Corie: It's one of those things where you're um you see it globally.
• 40:30
  Corie: Where you have somebody who is a mega star, you bring up Bob Marley, you see his children.
• 40:34
  Corie: It's sometimes difficult to see.
• 40:37
  Corie: People might go a different path because the parents are so good at what it did that they just decide to do something else.
• 40:42
  Corie: In your young days, you you feeling like you want to be an artist at that point.
• 40:45
  SPEAKER_01: My mom actually is the person that pushed me real hard in the singing because my mom used to do background vocals for spectacular, and she used to always she used to also be a part of the Brother Resistance love band.
• 40:57
  SPEAKER_01: I sing um rap so um and she used to sing um songs, you know, like jazz and RB with some rev, song rev.
• 41:06
  SPEAKER_01: One of those bands back in the day.
• 41:07
  SPEAKER_01: So she's the person that used to have me in everything.
• 41:10
  SPEAKER_01: I used to dance with Northwest Lavantil, started off with Malik training as a little girl, and then after I went to Northwest Lavantil, um, gymnastics, modeling, anything else.
• 41:22
  SPEAKER_01: I used to model for um radical designs.
• 41:25
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, remember that?
• 41:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, in the earlies radical designs.
• 41:29
  SPEAKER_01: Radical designs in the earlies, you know.
• 41:31
  SPEAKER_01: I was like flying condensed milk them times.
• 41:34
  SPEAKER_01: No, because those times, you know, the models were always high color.
• 41:38
  SPEAKER_01: Let's be real.
• 41:38
  SPEAKER_01: Back in the day, to be a model, yeah, it'd be high colored.
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_01: Those were the ones that they used to pick most of the time.
• 41:44
  SPEAKER_01: And I, when I went down there, I will never forget that it was 02 or something.
• 41:48
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 41:49
  SPEAKER_01: And I pick a number, I was like 300 and something.
• 41:51
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, Mom, they are not going to pick me.
• 41:55
  SPEAKER_01: And then I had my natural hair and I had it in twist, like how the brat used to have a and I was like, Mom, these girls are so I was like flying condensed milk.
• 42:10
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, we not I walked the one way and stuff.
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_01: We left the about after eight and I got picked.
• 42:16
  Corie: Oh, nice, nice, nice, nice, nice.
• 42:18
  Corie: I wonder if people remember that.
• 42:19
  SPEAKER_01: I was able to have to remember me.
• 42:21
  SPEAKER_01: I was the only fly.
• 42:25
  SPEAKER_02: I think that's why I got picked.
• 42:26
  SPEAKER_02: It's like the dark one.
• 42:29
  SPEAKER_02: You can't say which one.
• 42:30
  Corie: It's like really the moment stayed.
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_01: And then I did the first junior soccer monarch um team song, so in school bag, she wrote that.
• 42:46
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so even though my father was the entertainer, the messiah so called, you know, the king asoka of that time, my mother is the person that yeah, she's she was the driving force to make sure that it is done, to make sure that I'm, you know, because you know, as a child, you're just doing it.
• 43:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, or you want to come out there.
• 43:05
  SPEAKER_01: But she's the one that actually made me take it serious.
• 43:08
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, we didn't have money.
• 43:11
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, a lot of people will be like, but you super blue at all, you had a good hair.
• 43:16
  SPEAKER_01: Hello.
• 43:17
  SPEAKER_01: No, no, no, no, no.
• 43:18
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't born with a gold spoon, need a plastic spoon.
• 43:22
  SPEAKER_01: My father, I always tell people I do not have like that daddy daddy, like you know, you have your father there and he's real loving up on you, or he have he wants to see his grandchildren, right?
• 43:34
  SPEAKER_01: My father is on his music, right?
• 43:36
  Corie: Yeah, yeah.
• 43:36
  SPEAKER_01: He's you see, music at that stage, that is that is it.
• 43:41
  SPEAKER_01: So I just came to Tim after some years and be like, you know what?
• 43:45
  SPEAKER_01: This is God, you give me this type of father for a reason.
• 43:49
  SPEAKER_01: I can't get him to do this type of daddy.
• 43:52
  SPEAKER_01: So he made a way for himself with a name that we can use.
• 43:58
  SPEAKER_01: You understand?
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_01: And it's not to say that he don't love us, it's just it's I don't know, it's just not that difference all over the place.
• 44:06
  Corie: You understand me?
• 44:07
  SPEAKER_01: So I just accept what it is, yeah.
• 44:10
  SPEAKER_01: But my mother is the person that every time I look in the crowd, she's there.
• 44:16
  SPEAKER_01: I utter words, she's there.
• 44:18
  SPEAKER_01: If she realized I could plot here, good.
• 44:21
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, you could plot here good.
• 44:22
  SPEAKER_01: She sent she helped into train everything.
• 44:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, she's the person that will always pull all that talent out of me.
• 44:31
  SPEAKER_01: You understand?
• 44:32
  SPEAKER_01: As with the litter that we had, and we didn't add much.
• 44:35
  SPEAKER_01: I live by real people.
• 44:36
  SPEAKER_01: Anytime somebody asks me, so where you're from?
• 44:38
  Corie: Where are you from?
• 44:39
  Corie: Let me hear the area when you're renting and you're getting put out from wherever you're from.
• 44:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, from wherever you're from.
• 44:48
  SPEAKER_01: We didn't spend much time in one place for too long to say, well, yeah, I grew up, but the longest place that we stayed is um Lavantale Block 22.
• 44:57
  SPEAKER_01: We stayed there then because the landlord up there was very lenient.
• 45:00
  Corie: Yeah.
• 45:03
  Corie: Thank you, Mr.
• 45:04
  Corie: Landlord.
• 45:04
  Corie: It's look all good for all of us.
• 45:08
  SPEAKER_02: That was the most lenient landlord we ever had.
• 45:11
  Corie: So we get to stay long.
• 45:12
  Corie: And what age that is?
• 45:13
  Corie: That's primary school age.
• 45:14
  SPEAKER_01: That was primary school.
• 45:15
  Corie: Which primary school was?
• 45:16
  SPEAKER_01: Nelson Street Girls RC.
• 45:17
  SPEAKER_01: So born and grew up in Port of Speed, and you know, we didn't have money, and so I used to walk from Doc 22 to school.
• 45:24
  Corie: And that was such a normal thing back then, you know what I mean?
• 45:26
  Corie: So walk.
• 45:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 45:28
  SPEAKER_01: I'm I'm six and traveling.
• 45:31
  Corie: You're getting six-year-old to travel, no?
• 45:33
  SPEAKER_01: You matter.
• 45:34
  Corie: It's happening, it ain't happening.
• 45:36
  Corie: You're belly hot in you.
• 45:38
  SPEAKER_01: And it's not it's not to say that it didn't have the pull-fits or the pedives back then, you know.
• 45:42
  SPEAKER_01: It had it, but it I don't know, it just had some sort of order to support.
• 45:46
  Corie: But some of the things you're saying in the beginning is true, you know.
• 45:48
  Corie: I mean, the community thing that we had because we never used to walk alone and never used to happen.
• 45:52
  SPEAKER_01: But I used to walk up George Street and Nelson Street normal, yeah, as a kid, and the gangsters, and they would be there, but they're not on me.
• 46:00
  SPEAKER_01: They own who they own.
• 46:01
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 46:02
  SPEAKER_01: You understand?
• 46:03
  SPEAKER_01: They own who they own, whoever they're doing business with, that is who they are on.
• 46:07
  Corie: But you understand, but just like random people and just uh and it was a time where if somebody tried to tell you something onto what or do something, people themselves gangsters were the same way, not she.
• 46:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and the gangs used to also like watch out for the community, like a community, yeah.
• 46:22
  SPEAKER_01: So it's it was different, but as I said, I did not grow up rich people, I did not.
• 46:27
  SPEAKER_01: Um, even up to this day, I just still eat rice and butter.
• 46:30
  SPEAKER_01: That's why I grew up.
• 46:32
  SPEAKER_01: I'm telling you, just the other day, I cook in, and you know the other things in finish yet.
• 46:37
  SPEAKER_01: The rice is always finished, right?
• 46:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and I'm like, something to munch.
• 46:41
  SPEAKER_01: I take out some rice, put some butter.
• 46:43
  SPEAKER_01: I shock my arteries and clog it.
• 46:47
  SPEAKER_01: I am telling you because long time you're using golden ring.
• 46:49
  SPEAKER_01: What do you mean?
• 46:50
  Corie: Yeah, but all that was butter, everything.
• 46:52
  Corie: We did not put butter versus margin long time.
• 46:56
  SPEAKER_01: Golden ring used to clog your sink.
• 46:59
  Corie: It's a stuff strong.
• 47:01
  SPEAKER_01: You understand me?
• 47:03
  Corie: Like all we had as butter.
• 47:06
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
• 47:08
  SPEAKER_01: And you put ketchup on that and imaginative chicken.
• 47:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, my imagination was strong.
• 47:14
  Corie: Good, good meal.
• 47:14
  Corie: We're seeing it now, we're seeing it now.
• 47:16
  Corie: It's paying off, it's paying off.
• 47:18
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's that you're eating boiled fig and throw some oil on that with some salt.
• 47:27
  Corie: Yeah, never.
• 47:28
  SPEAKER_01: You just pick what in the backyard.
• 47:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's in bush growing all over the place.
• 47:32
  Corie: Yeah, that's another thing.
• 47:35
  Corie: Dashing bush and plastic and mass, you know, it's beautiful, you know, different time, you know.
• 47:40
  Corie: Rap all gently in some plastic and telephone rap and thick.
• 47:43
  SPEAKER_01: So I grew up, I grew up hard.
• 47:45
  SPEAKER_01: I grew up hard, but I just always tell people I will never change.
• 47:48
  Corie: Yeah, yeah.
• 47:48
  SPEAKER_01: If I have to, if I get a wish to, if I have to go back to change anything, I won't change anything.
• 47:54
  SPEAKER_01: Reason being, it made me into the person that I am today.
• 47:58
  SPEAKER_01: Tough.
• 47:59
  SPEAKER_01: Things that I see children just be crying for now.
• 48:02
  SPEAKER_01: I just be like, You crying for that?
• 48:06
  SPEAKER_01: No, seriously.
• 48:06
  SPEAKER_03: I know what you're saying.
• 48:07
  SPEAKER_01: I swear to God, like my son came home at that when he was young, once he was younger.
• 48:12
  SPEAKER_01: Mommy, what happened?
• 48:13
  SPEAKER_01: A boy called me a banana in school.
• 48:15
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, but did you die though?
• 48:20
  SPEAKER_01: I said, that were you crying for?
• 48:23
  SPEAKER_01: I said, boy, baby self, huh?
• 48:25
  SPEAKER_01: He's 12 now.
• 48:26
  SPEAKER_01: No, you could tell my son anything.
• 48:28
  SPEAKER_01: I said, Well, next time you call you a banana or an orange, tell them, well, that's why you need me.
• 48:33
  SPEAKER_01: I'm vitamin C.
• 48:34
  Corie: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 48:37
  Corie: You have to some parents are very rich by the principle.
• 48:41
  Corie: Yeah, man.
• 48:42
  Corie: You young fella, you know, smaller than me, that man hit me out, cuff the face, but bow.
• 48:46
  Corie: I say, What?
• 48:48
  Corie: I say, I go and tell my mother, I say, You hit me.
• 48:50
  Corie: I tell my mother, my mother say, Don't come back in this house till you coughing back in the face until you're coughing back in.
• 48:57
  Corie: I shouldn't be bathroom.
• 48:58
  Corie: Open the bathroom, there's a mommy, Dennis cough in my face.
• 49:00
  Corie: I think she will kill Dennis.
• 49:02
  Corie: Why she said, Don't come back in this house till you cover back.
• 49:04
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, I mean, I mean, it's that they have some things that are just borderline, but we have to toughen them up right now.
• 49:10
  SPEAKER_01: And my life experience toughened me up, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 49:14
  SPEAKER_01: And had me very street, street sense.
• 49:16
  Corie: It's important.
• 49:17
  SPEAKER_01: Very important.
• 49:18
  SPEAKER_01: And I that's my my life.
• 49:20
  SPEAKER_01: I enjoyed my life.
• 49:22
  SPEAKER_01: It made me appreciate certain things that I'm getting now.
• 49:25
  SPEAKER_01: So I think that helped me with being humble and gratitude.
• 49:30
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I appreciate the smallest set of things.
• 49:33
  SPEAKER_01: Then I will I will more appreciate somebody just saying, Hey Terry, uh, let me let me prepare something for you.
• 49:41
  SPEAKER_01: Or surprise me by buttering a two slice of bread with peanut butter.
• 49:47
  SPEAKER_01: Um but in the way that you do it, all right.
• 49:49
  SPEAKER_01: If we are with somebody and you butter two slices of bread with peanut butter and you know, candle and so forth, I realize that you went out of your way to do something that you don't do at all.
• 50:00
  SPEAKER_01: Because you can't cook, but you still try to me directly, you still try something, you understand me, instead of carrying me to expensive as a restaurant.
• 50:10
  SPEAKER_01: You could carry any girl at a restaurant, any girl, and you must be doing that plenty times before.
• 50:15
  SPEAKER_01: But this year, you never came out of yourself to do this for anybody else, and I will appreciate that more than anything else.
• 50:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you understand me.
• 50:23
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I may not like your cooking because you can't cook, and I will let you know, but I will appreciate, I'll appreciate the effort.
• 50:35
  Corie: What time is we could say that still?
• 50:36
  Corie: We see my wife still watching me.
• 50:40
  SPEAKER_01: But the gesture and knowing that you actually want to do this for me to show me how much you are willing and for this, I appreciate that.
• 50:49
  Corie: Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha.
• 50:51
  Corie: So, them early days coming out of the appreciation.
• 50:53
  Corie: You you you mommy pushing you in that direction.
• 50:56
  Corie: It's something you want to do and you like doing the modeling, the acting, all those things.
• 51:00
  SPEAKER_01: I I like doing that.
• 51:01
  SPEAKER_01: Best village on them things all better, not west of until I love them things.
• 51:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I love up to this day, and I like to incorporate it in my like performances and stuff, and I want to do that this year, you know, because a lot of people don't know I could dance.
• 51:15
  Corie: They don't know you can dance.
• 51:16
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 51:17
  SPEAKER_01: Because I don't really dance, you know, with a singing column, so you know you're just rendering and stuff, but like to say be a part of the whole production and do a dance, whatever.
• 51:26
  SPEAKER_01: A lot of people don't know I can dance.
• 51:28
  Corie: Yeah, something you're gonna do.
• 51:28
  Corie: Yeah, okay.
• 51:29
  Corie: So I wanted to incorporate that.
• 51:30
  Corie: So secondary school, where were that?
• 51:32
  Corie: Where was that now?
• 51:32
  SPEAKER_01: Secondary school.
• 51:33
  SPEAKER_01: First, I went to Bartaria um junior, and then after I went to Shugona Senior Comprehensive, but then you're performing Calypso Competition or entering Miss Comprehensive, Mrs.
• 51:43
  SPEAKER_01: Comprehensive, Mrs.
• 51:44
  SPEAKER_01: Comprehensive, and stuff and things like that.
• 51:46
  SPEAKER_01: So, yeah, I was always in the choir in school, of course.
• 51:51
  SPEAKER_01: Even if I don't want to say Terry, the choir.
• 51:54
  Corie: Yeah, they're calling you.
• 51:57
  SPEAKER_01: Well, back in the days, anybody that calling me Terry from school, you know, they know in school, my name was Oslin.
• 52:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's actually my name.
• 52:05
  Corie: So, Terry.
• 52:06
  SPEAKER_01: Terry is my middle name.
• 52:08
  Corie: Okay, okay, gotcha, gotcha.
• 52:09
  SPEAKER_01: But Oslin's not a nice stage, it's not welcome on stage, Oslin.
• 52:12
  SPEAKER_01: That does sound sexy at all.
• 52:14
  SPEAKER_01: That is a whole too.
• 52:17
  SPEAKER_02: But my father's proud of that name, eh?
• 52:19
  SPEAKER_01: You'll be like, Hey, if you see face, hey, I take my name and I change the T K L and the Y to the I.
• 52:30
  SPEAKER_01: Like if he did something extra.
• 52:36
  SPEAKER_01: Let's say just name a junior.
• 52:42
  SPEAKER_01: So it's Oslin Terry Karina Lions.
• 52:44
  SPEAKER_01: It's like all his names.
• 52:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 52:46
  SPEAKER_01: So my father gave me all my names.
• 52:51
  SPEAKER_01: Karina is from our godmother, a lady that he met, and he just like the name Karina.
• 52:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but like that name.
• 52:56
  SPEAKER_01: I'll give an out of that name.
• 52:57
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, so you just meeting people and they were just offloading.
• 53:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we had to bring back the city.
• 53:02
  SPEAKER_01: But he's proud of this Oslin.
• 53:03
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, so anytime you have somebody call me Oslin, it's because they knew me from school.
• 53:07
  SPEAKER_01: You know you're from since back.
• 53:08
  SPEAKER_01: As I finished school, I did the switch.
• 53:10
  Corie: Yeah.
• 53:11
  Corie: Yeah.
• 53:12
  Corie: For stage purposes or just I just did the switch.
• 53:15
  SPEAKER_01: Because it at times people be like, Who is Oslin?
• 53:17
  SPEAKER_01: And they're looking for a boy.
• 53:18
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 53:19
  Corie: Oh, I guess, I guess, I guess, I guess, I guess.
• 53:21
  Corie: I don't know, I was real tomboyish in school too.
• 53:23
  Corie: Well, let's tell me about the experience.
• 53:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I was very tombish in school.
• 53:28
  SPEAKER_01: Like, if I have a boyfriend or something in school, you can't hold my hand, you can't talk to me.
• 53:32
  Corie: I was real after button, all this peanut butter.
• 53:37
  SPEAKER_01: It's like I like you, you like me, and I need to know.
• 53:40
  Corie: I don't like that.
• 53:40
  SPEAKER_01: You mad?
• 53:41
  SPEAKER_01: No, no, no, I ain't doing that.
• 53:42
  SPEAKER_01: I feared my mother more in.
• 53:43
  Corie: Well, I guess, I guess, I guess, yeah.
• 53:47
  SPEAKER_01: You know, a long time you see them thread hole in hand, walking on the you mad whole hand.
• 53:52
  SPEAKER_01: My mother, it was I used to call she a pop circle because she used to just pop up at school on an ons, just like that.
• 54:00
  SPEAKER_01: And I would just see her by the classroom door.
• 54:02
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, I start to think, why do?
• 54:04
  Corie: Yeah, no, I must go here.
• 54:07
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, the study, she didn't come to talk to me, you know.
• 54:10
  SPEAKER_01: She talked to the teacher, and then she just gone, disappeared.
• 54:12
  SPEAKER_01: So I used to go, not me.
• 54:15
  SPEAKER_01: And like, she's like, You want to speak to us?
• 54:17
  SPEAKER_01: No, no, no, no.
• 54:18
  SPEAKER_01: I love it, and she just gone, yeah, like bat bad.
• 54:22
  Corie: That's what first needs to do.
• 54:23
  Corie: Yeah, she's not me.
• 54:24
  SPEAKER_01: She was my guy, but I didn't used to do that.
• 54:26
  Corie: I love it, I love it.
• 54:28
  Corie: So, coming out of school, you started.
• 54:30
  Corie: You you're looking at stages where you're going for a career, yeah, as early as I.
• 54:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because I I cannot work for people.
• 54:41
  Corie: Maybe they should have booked this first enough.
• 54:44
  Corie: Maybe that's much in common.
• 54:46
  SPEAKER_01: I, Terry, Karina Osden, Lions cannot work for people.
• 54:51
  SPEAKER_01: Now let me tell you why.
• 54:53
  SPEAKER_01: Come out of school.
• 54:55
  SPEAKER_01: My first job was working for KMZ.
• 54:57
  Corie: For KMC, yeah, the artist KMC.
• 55:00
  SPEAKER_01: KMC, he had a store in Sugar.
• 55:03
  SPEAKER_01: So you know, mom say, you know, come out, you had to do these little jobs and things to gain experience and so forth.
• 55:08
  SPEAKER_01: I said, okay, go on and look it for KMC.
• 55:10
  SPEAKER_01: KMC.
• 55:11
  SPEAKER_01: Not KFC, eh?
• 55:12
  SPEAKER_01: KMC, the artist.
• 55:14
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 55:15
  SPEAKER_01: So his wife was also in the store and thing.
• 55:18
  SPEAKER_01: But anytime things start to song like orders for me, I I don't know.
• 55:21
  SPEAKER_01: My ancestral.
• 55:25
  SPEAKER_01: My ancestral slave relatives.
• 55:30
  SPEAKER_01: Why this feeling like if I reminder all I'm missing is a whip.
• 55:34
  SPEAKER_01: Why this feeling like if all I'm missing is cotton?
• 55:38
  SPEAKER_01: Just from them talking to you.
• 55:40
  Corie: Just say something to you.
• 55:41
  SPEAKER_01: Which I know is the gain experience.
• 55:44
  SPEAKER_01: But I just wasn't, I showed up late.
• 55:46
  SPEAKER_01: I just if me feeling like going, I was the worst.
• 55:50
  SPEAKER_01: I couldn't.
• 55:51
  Corie: And by place, people want to work long time if you get work by Kimps.
• 55:54
  SPEAKER_01: A clothing store.
• 55:56
  SPEAKER_01: And then, you know, when you now start, so you know you just gain how much I was gaining like a 200 a week.
• 56:01
  SPEAKER_01: I wasn't much, but back then, you know, it's different to know.
• 56:04
  SPEAKER_01: And I just didn't show up to work, and I got fired.
• 56:14
  SPEAKER_02: Which I know that was coming because I didn't show up.
• 56:16
  Corie: You don't you abandon your work?
• 56:20
  SPEAKER_02: Terry.
• 56:21
  SPEAKER_02: Terry just decided I know what to work.
• 56:26
  Corie: Keep it to one dress.
• 56:27
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he knows what to work, but I came for my last minute.
• 56:36
  SPEAKER_02: I was live at present with my mother for the last week.
• 56:41
  Corie: Oh, when Kim C come here to make sure you don't pay you that you should not be out.
• 56:49
  Corie: So when you walk out on you what to do, what you was gonna do?
• 56:52
  Corie: Nope.
• 56:53
  SPEAKER_01: After that was just singing.
• 56:55
  Corie: So from that in a few years.
• 56:57
  SPEAKER_01: And that was just singing into fashion, into just developing myself.
• 57:01
  SPEAKER_01: And then my mom died.
• 57:03
  SPEAKER_01: Um, my mom died in 2022, 2002.
• 57:07
  SPEAKER_01: So after that, I said, nah boy, no how to take this serious because you know you had the comfort of your parent there all the time.
• 57:15
  Corie: And you say she ride there with you.
• 57:17
  Corie: She ride there with me.
• 57:18
  SPEAKER_01: And now I'm like, wait, is me alone?
• 57:21
  SPEAKER_01: Because my mom only had two kids, right?
• 57:23
  SPEAKER_01: Um and she left.
• 57:29
  SPEAKER_01: She died from HIV.
• 57:30
  SPEAKER_01: So she left, and it was just my brother and I.
• 57:34
  SPEAKER_01: That was a hard time for me.
• 57:37
  SPEAKER_01: You know, seeing your mother one way, and then after that, she just born.
• 57:41
  SPEAKER_01: That was it take me years.
• 57:44
  SPEAKER_01: It had times when I'm talking to my brother, and every time I see him, I cry because I then my grandmom take him to Canada.
• 57:52
  SPEAKER_01: So he went to Canada to live with because my grandmother was an ex-Af King.
• 57:56
  SPEAKER_01: And they was telling me to come, but by that time I was already 20, already accustomed to the Trinidad life.
• 58:04
  SPEAKER_01: And my grandmother is very proper.
• 58:08
  SPEAKER_01: I'm talking about very proper.
• 58:10
  SPEAKER_01: She's very, she drinks her her her wine and crackers.
• 58:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 58:15
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, she's very, very proper in Canada.
• 58:19
  SPEAKER_01: So I don't know if we're going to.
• 58:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, very proper.
• 58:23
  SPEAKER_01: You go to bed at a certain time.
• 58:26
  SPEAKER_01: And she's always very neat, lady.
• 58:29
  SPEAKER_01: Lovely.
• 58:29
  SPEAKER_01: I love her to death.
• 58:30
  SPEAKER_01: But I know we would have bongs him.
• 58:33
  SPEAKER_01: Um, because I'm from the Caribbean.
• 58:35
  Corie: I'm you're looking for freedom.
• 58:37
  SPEAKER_01: So they took him, and I was on my own from the age of well, my mom died when I was 19.
• 58:44
  SPEAKER_01: But by the time she buried and stuff, I was 20.
• 58:48
  SPEAKER_01: Because we had to wait for my aunts and uncles to come from Canada.
• 58:52
  SPEAKER_01: Because she was the only one and our uncle that living in Trinidad and came, they had the the funeral and so forth, and as I said, I was on my own from since then.
• 59:00
  SPEAKER_01: And it was hard.
• 59:02
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't speak to my brother for like about close to three years straight.
• 59:06
  SPEAKER_01: Because every time I speak to him, I cry.
• 59:08
  SPEAKER_01: And I hate to cry.
• 59:10
  SPEAKER_01: It used to just I don't know, I just couldn't deal with it.
• 59:16
  SPEAKER_01: So um I started KMC again, KMC.
• 59:23
  SPEAKER_01: No, well, I just so doing the music, he realized, you know, when somebody realized, all right, you just have to work for people.
• 59:29
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, okay.
• 59:30
  SPEAKER_01: He didn't do my talent and stuff, and he recorded me.
• 59:32
  SPEAKER_01: I started singing with his band and so forth.
• 59:35
  SPEAKER_01: And he recorded songs and stuff and things for me.
• 59:38
  SPEAKER_01: And then uh moving along, started to enter Young Queens and started to make my money.
• 59:44
  SPEAKER_01: And that's how I started to think.
• 59:46
  SPEAKER_01: If it's one thing I know how to do is save.
• 59:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, make sure.
• 59:50
  SPEAKER_01: I make sure I'm save because I mean I didn't have it before, so when I have now, you know, yeah.
• 59:54
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't know much about investment and stuff at that time, so I used to just be saving.
• 59:58
  Corie: Yeah, just make sure.
• 1:00:00
  Corie: Going back there.
• 1:00:01
  SPEAKER_01: Just saving, just making sure I have money in the bank.
• 1:00:04
  SPEAKER_01: So every time I get win something or anything like that, it goes to your account.
• 1:00:09
  SPEAKER_01: And I was very creative.
• 1:00:10
  SPEAKER_01: So most of the times I will take clothes that I have before, tear it up, and just make something else.
• 1:00:16
  SPEAKER_01: Be very innovative.
• 1:00:17
  SPEAKER_01: So I wouldn't have to spend money.
• 1:00:19
  SPEAKER_01: And next thing that I do that I still do now, I don't go out there.
• 1:00:25
  SPEAKER_01: Now people have seen me wear nice shoes.
• 1:00:28
  SPEAKER_01: What are you doing that look like a thousand?
• 1:00:29
  SPEAKER_01: I look like two thousand, two hundred, one fifty.
• 1:00:34
  SPEAKER_01: Hello.
• 1:00:36
  SPEAKER_02: Sometimes you look sharp again for$60.
• 1:00:40
  SPEAKER_01: I just look at the cheap thing that looks expensive.
• 1:00:44
  SPEAKER_01: I do not live among above my means.
• 1:00:48
  SPEAKER_01: So that's how I have, you know, you'll see artists that come in after me or before me, and they they struggle and they get broke, and so fun thing like that is because I don't live beyond my means.
• 1:00:58
  SPEAKER_01: And I don't fool my fans.
• 1:01:00
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not going on social media and be like, yeah, and I have this Louis, Louis, I have Louis cousin.
• 1:01:08
  SPEAKER_01: I have Louis cousin.
• 1:01:10
  SPEAKER_01: You understand me?
• 1:01:12
  Corie: This my mother was a fan of yours.
• 1:01:13
  Corie: No, she could be an even bigger fan of you.
• 1:01:15
  SPEAKER_01: No, and and and then the next thing too, if people really look at me, you realize you don't see me and Louis and Fendi and Gucci and stuff.
• 1:01:23
  SPEAKER_01: I wear clothes.
• 1:01:25
  SPEAKER_01: If it looks good, I wear it.
• 1:01:27
  SPEAKER_01: It don't have to be a brand.
• 1:01:29
  SPEAKER_01: That sometimes I perform in local brands.
• 1:01:31
  SPEAKER_01: And then I started to do that.
• 1:01:33
  SPEAKER_01: I started to perform in a set of local designs because I mean, like, come on.
• 1:01:38
  Corie: Yeah, we're good enough.
• 1:01:38
  SPEAKER_01: Louis Vuitton started off somewhere.
• 1:01:40
  SPEAKER_01: You understand?
• 1:01:41
  SPEAKER_01: Like something I print a jersey for the um, a lot of people would be like for Nadia um concert that she had during the lockdown that she kept that I perform.
• 1:01:51
  SPEAKER_01: That what I had on that is a$60 t-shirt, and I had a belt that had like a frill, and I put that around it, and the boots that I had, I got that for$115 some store.
• 1:02:08
  SPEAKER_01: And I put it together, open up my hair, and it a girl gave me um some earrings with feathers, and I put that in.
• 1:02:16
  SPEAKER_01: And it was like, oh my god, that's it.
• 1:02:19
  SPEAKER_01: That was good.
• 1:02:19
  SPEAKER_01: Where you get that?
• 1:02:21
  SPEAKER_01: I got on Charlotte Street.
• 1:02:23
  Corie: Don't say that's how I was hoping it now.
• 1:02:25
  Corie: My mother's gonna say, Oh, the only people I had here, listen to Terry.
• 1:02:28
  Corie: I got on it.
• 1:02:30
  SPEAKER_01: What I just do is just buy stuff with no prints on it.
• 1:02:33
  SPEAKER_01: Because obviously, if you buy the one with the prints on it, everybody has it.
• 1:02:37
  SPEAKER_01: So the top was a plain, a plain t-shirt, and the belt was from something that I had before that I just put that look like a little skirt thing.
• 1:02:46
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe good advice for coming artists too.
• 1:02:47
  SPEAKER_01: And that's what I do.
• 1:02:49
  SPEAKER_01: And I sometimes I come and I look in more dressed than you, than somebody who spent thousands of dollars and not.
• 1:02:54
  SPEAKER_01: Well, that's a kill known.
• 1:02:55
  Corie: Like, I mean, you know that.
• 1:02:56
  SPEAKER_01: Like, people talk about your sense of style and I like to wear clothes, and I I I push that hard too with my son, also.
• 1:03:03
  SPEAKER_01: Reason being is because there are a lot of use coming up, and I don't want them to feel that they have to take the last to overspend to go and do a performance.
• 1:03:13
  SPEAKER_01: You can look good, but you can be creative.
• 1:03:15
  SPEAKER_01: There are times I take plain t-shirts and just get diamond studs and stick it all over it.
• 1:03:19
  Corie: Yeah, and you're gone.
• 1:03:20
  SPEAKER_01: You understand?
• 1:03:21
  SPEAKER_01: Get cheap jeans, bust it up.
• 1:03:25
  SPEAKER_01: Splash.
• 1:03:26
  SPEAKER_01: Them times I didn't have money, so I would take jeans that I had, get bread knife, jagger it, and I'll take Clorax, splash on it, and then wash it to get the Clorox sent out of it.
• 1:03:39
  Corie: Well, you know, I see at times they tell you distress jeans.
• 1:03:42
  Corie: You still call sometimes two, three hundred US when they buy these.
• 1:03:50
  Corie: When they're the stress, it's the same thing them doing it.
• 1:03:52
  Corie: They have a sandpaper thing, they throw paint, so I distress the jeans myself.
• 1:03:57
  Corie: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:03:58
  SPEAKER_01: You understand me?
• 1:03:59
  SPEAKER_01: I distress it.
• 1:04:00
  SPEAKER_01: I always tell people anytime you see me with a real expensive show, better life, somebody buy it for me.
• 1:04:05
  Corie: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:04:05
  Corie: Somebody was talking to here about that fashion with Calypsoans and we're somewhat when I just the whole society was different.
• 1:04:11
  Corie: We said, Make me own food, we own style, we own games, everything.
• 1:04:15
  SPEAKER_01: But now is that even my hair.
• 1:04:17
  SPEAKER_01: People will be watching this interview.
• 1:04:18
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, oh my god, I love a hair.
• 1:04:20
  SPEAKER_01: I love the hair.
• 1:04:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 1:04:23
  SPEAKER_01: Easy 200.
• 1:04:24
  Corie: He's my give them all the secrets.
• 1:04:31
  SPEAKER_01: I don't mind because I do not want, because as plenty of times I've seen youths that coming up doing illegal stuff in order to make the money to finance a look that they don't honestly have.
• 1:04:45
  SPEAKER_01: You understand me?
• 1:04:46
  SPEAKER_01: So at time I was talking to artists.
• 1:04:48
  SPEAKER_01: Now, first of all, as always tell them, I said, yo, don't tell me you ain't really like soccer, but you're only coming in it to make money.
• 1:04:55
  SPEAKER_01: Don't do me that.
• 1:04:56
  SPEAKER_01: Because you would destroy the culture that way.
• 1:04:59
  SPEAKER_01: Do not tell me you're coming to do so, whether it's producing or singing, because you realize over maybe on the zest side or they're making enough money.
• 1:05:08
  SPEAKER_01: This is the conversation I'm having with this person.
• 1:05:10
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 1:05:10
  SPEAKER_01: So they realize, well, you know, if you do a video for soccer artists that can get a 10 or 30,000 or 15,000, you're making some money, no problem.
• 1:05:17
  SPEAKER_01: You want to come over the side to make some money, no problem.
• 1:05:20
  SPEAKER_01: But don't tell me.
• 1:05:20
  SPEAKER_01: I really like soccer, you know, but how to make some you start with wrong.
• 1:05:25
  SPEAKER_01: I'm telling you that first of all, are you telling you truth?
• 1:05:27
  SPEAKER_01: I say, yeah, it if it's there is the mentality coming over here, we don't come.
• 1:05:30
  SPEAKER_01: Blow your way.
• 1:05:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, do not come.
• 1:05:33
  SPEAKER_01: You understand, man?
• 1:05:34
  SPEAKER_01: Don't come here to to drain the culture and not contributing to it.
• 1:05:39
  Corie: Of course.
• 1:05:40
  SPEAKER_01: If you're coming here, it's because you love your culture.
• 1:05:43
  SPEAKER_01: You understand?
• 1:05:44
  SPEAKER_01: So, whatever you're putting out, I could feel and see the passion in anything that you record, or you sing, or you write, or anything that you whether it's painting, fashion, I could see the don't fake it.
• 1:05:57
  SPEAKER_01: So, and he's like, you know, the big money and so forth.
• 1:06:02
  SPEAKER_01: I said, bro, don't come out here to kill out yourself.
• 1:06:07
  SPEAKER_01: Don't do that, don't get tired.
• 1:06:11
  SPEAKER_01: This is the look, do not get tired with the look.
• 1:06:16
  SPEAKER_01: And it's like, oh, all your soccer artists does only um does only get what you say, like 8,000 views and stuff.
• 1:06:23
  SPEAKER_01: And we on his side, we just get three point something views and so forth.
• 1:06:28
  SPEAKER_01: I say, yes.
• 1:06:29
  SPEAKER_01: I say, but on the soccer side, only three point something views is in our bank account.
• 1:06:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:06:36
  SPEAKER_01: Or what eight thousand views is in all your bank accounts, it's switch.
• 1:06:41
  SPEAKER_01: Only getting real views, but it's not it's not in all your account.
• 1:06:44
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:06:46
  SPEAKER_01: We may not be getting a lot of views, but it is in our account, and that is where it accounts for.
• 1:06:52
  SPEAKER_01: That is where it's supposed to account for.
• 1:06:54
  SPEAKER_01: You understand me?
• 1:06:56
  SPEAKER_01: So it's not just the views, you have to set up your business properly to make sure that what you put out there you're receiving from it.
• 1:07:03
  SPEAKER_01: Of course.
• 1:07:03
  Corie: And as you get older, you will get frustrated because life will happen.
• 1:07:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you understand me?
• 1:07:07
  Corie: And when you have our amount of fame and this amount of money, it's not to get more and fighting.
• 1:07:10
  Corie: Thank you.
• 1:07:11
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's it starts to get more and more frustrated.
• 1:07:13
  SPEAKER_01: And that is why I start to get smart with you think I'm not going to make eight thousand dollars and spend six thousand on clothing.
• 1:07:22
  Corie: I get you, I get you.
• 1:07:24
  Corie: People people got people think you spend real money on clothes, right?
• 1:07:26
  Corie: That's why you have this.
• 1:07:27
  Corie: People tell you this before.
• 1:07:28
  SPEAKER_01: No, yeah, they don't because a lot of be like, okay, look at our shoes.
• 1:07:32
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my god, for that now.
• 1:07:34
  SPEAKER_01: You think you can't.
• 1:07:36
  SPEAKER_01: Just ask me where I got it, and you can get it too.
• 1:07:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:07:40
  SPEAKER_01: You understand me?
• 1:07:41
  SPEAKER_01: But that is what I do.
• 1:07:43
  SPEAKER_01: That's what I do.
• 1:07:44
  SPEAKER_01: The only piece of gold I have is a game.
• 1:07:50
  Corie: Colin, we got whole world.
• 1:07:51
  Corie: They don't understand what's be happening with me, tiny scenes here.
• 1:07:55
  SPEAKER_01: I will spend my money on bricks and cement.
• 1:08:00
  SPEAKER_01: That is where my money goes in.
• 1:08:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:08:02
  Corie: It's an important message.
• 1:08:03
  Corie: I'd ask about them early days too.
• 1:08:05
  Corie: Because when I heard Terry Lines the first time, so is what we hear.
• 1:08:07
  Corie: We know the band days and things.
• 1:08:08
  Corie: What was that like?
• 1:08:09
  Corie: How long was that for?
• 1:08:10
  Corie: That was a some years?
• 1:08:11
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, that was some years.
• 1:08:12
  SPEAKER_01: That was some stressful years too.
• 1:08:13
  SPEAKER_01: That's what I'd say.
• 1:08:14
  SPEAKER_01: I tell people the band bands now have it nice.
• 1:08:17
  SPEAKER_01: Long time band struggle.
• 1:08:19
  SPEAKER_01: I was in New York with a band.
• 1:08:21
  SPEAKER_01: Um, it was what Invision?
• 1:08:24
  SPEAKER_01: Not in vision, in a vision at first, and then triple X.
• 1:08:28
  SPEAKER_01: Inner Vision and then Triple X.
• 1:08:30
  SPEAKER_01: And then those days.
• 1:08:33
  Corie: Eddie was doing Triple X every time.
• 1:08:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, with Eddie.
• 1:08:35
  SPEAKER_01: And those days, I was just getting 200 a show.
• 1:08:39
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:08:39
  SPEAKER_01: And sometimes two weeks passed, no show.
• 1:08:42
  SPEAKER_01: I had to make that 200 work.
• 1:08:44
  SPEAKER_01: I pack three barrels by getting 200 a show.
• 1:08:48
  SPEAKER_01: So you know how much tight and not spend and I had to do, and how much of remaking clothes and all this stuff, I think I had to do.
• 1:08:58
  SPEAKER_01: 200 a show.
• 1:08:59
  Corie: Yeah.
• 1:08:59
  SPEAKER_01: You understand?
• 1:09:00
  Corie: I remind people from today, too, that when you go as a ban, you're in New York.
• 1:09:04
  Corie: You're living there.
• 1:09:05
  SPEAKER_01: And you're living there.
• 1:09:06
  SPEAKER_01: We spent six, I spent six months there.
• 1:09:08
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, this USCness.
• 1:09:11
  Corie: Administration change and things.
• 1:09:13
  Corie: Tags.
• 1:09:16
  Corie: Let's stay away from ice.
• 1:09:18
  Corie: Stay away from ice next time you're going.
• 1:09:20
  SPEAKER_02: This was years ago.
• 1:09:22
  Corie: Yeah, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
• 1:09:24
  Corie: This is a regular administration.
• 1:09:25
  Corie: It's regular on them days.
• 1:09:27
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:09:28
  SPEAKER_01: That is all I say.
• 1:09:29
  Corie: Yeah, but when the band goes, not like you're going and coming.
• 1:09:32
  SPEAKER_01: Some of the band members also had to find jobs, side jobs to do while they're over there.
• 1:09:38
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, some of them had to find ladies to help by accent.
• 1:09:44
  Corie: I mean tell me called that homosexual.
• 1:09:46
  Corie: You find somebody to live with and think, I like it.
• 1:09:48
  Corie: You know, we had to figure something out.
• 1:09:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you gotta figure it out.
• 1:09:50
  SPEAKER_01: But as it's months, I had to do things on the side, and what I was doing on the side is is doing backgrounds.
• 1:09:57
  SPEAKER_01: So other than the 200 I came from the show, I start to do little backgrounds on the side.
• 1:10:02
  Corie: Yeah, yeah, come music recording over the send.
• 1:10:05
  Corie: Makes sense.
• 1:10:06
  SPEAKER_01: So music, and I used to charge, I used to charge 100 US to do backgrounds them times.
• 1:10:12
  Corie: Oh, it's what it's pretty them times.
• 1:10:13
  Corie: I know I'm gonna look for 100 US then.
• 1:10:15
  Corie: I say I go sing something.
• 1:10:16
  Corie: If it's a hundred US, or you sing something.
• 1:10:19
  Corie: Yeah, different way.
• 1:10:20
  SPEAKER_01: Every time I get money, I send it home.
• 1:10:23
  SPEAKER_01: Because if I get 200, I will send home the majority, and I would keep out six, keep like about 50 something for myself.
• 1:10:30
  Corie: Yeah, that's a little.
• 1:10:30
  SPEAKER_01: And I just send it home, send it home because if I keep it in my hand, I know I would want to spend.
• 1:10:35
  SPEAKER_01: Send home, send home.
• 1:10:36
  SPEAKER_01: So I say when I reach home, I have money home.
• 1:10:38
  SPEAKER_01: And that's what I used to do.
• 1:10:39
  SPEAKER_01: Gotcha.
• 1:10:40
  SPEAKER_01: Sacrifice.
• 1:10:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, do my own hair, do my own nails, do my own makeup.
• 1:10:48
  SPEAKER_01: I had to do my own everything in order to not in order to save.
• 1:10:52
  SPEAKER_01: So when I come back, and when I came back home, I wasn't flaunting with clothes.
• 1:10:56
  SPEAKER_01: You know, when people come back home, they want to buy clothes and say, I said, no, I have three barrels of food, and that pack over the six months, eh?
• 1:11:06
  SPEAKER_01: That didn't pack in one day.
• 1:11:07
  Corie: Yeah, yeah, of course.
• 1:11:08
  SPEAKER_01: Every time I knew money, I go to all these places that send it, like, you know, it's a 20 for plenty and them kind of thing.
• 1:11:15
  SPEAKER_01: And I packing barrel and sending.
• 1:11:19
  Corie: Cereal, all kind of thing.
• 1:11:20
  Corie: Because no, people might not pack a barrel, they pack in one time.
• 1:11:23
  Corie: Amazon, the barrel used to be in our apartments in New York for months, you put in.
• 1:11:28
  SPEAKER_01: Months, and I just putting in and putting in, bringing out 510.
• 1:11:32
  Corie: A cardboard barrel, not plastic barrel.
• 1:11:34
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
• 1:11:35
  SPEAKER_01: Back in the day, it's a good thing.
• 1:11:36
  SPEAKER_01: It was the cardboard barrel.
• 1:11:38
  Corie: The front wheel, the front wheel.
• 1:11:39
  SPEAKER_01: And that is what I did and save.
• 1:11:41
  SPEAKER_01: Because if it's one thing I know to do, I know how to save.
• 1:11:43
  SPEAKER_01: And I know how to I know how to stretch a little.
• 1:11:47
  SPEAKER_01: You know, people be like, oh god, I hardly have.
• 1:11:49
  SPEAKER_01: I can't make I will I will make my$300 last me a month.
• 1:11:57
  Corie: All that Monsadrat money and think is still making sure.
• 1:12:00
  SPEAKER_02: I have to share that Monserrat money, you know.
• 1:12:02
  SPEAKER_02: And next year I started to tell people that Monserrat money is up for me alone.
• 1:12:06
  SPEAKER_02: I have to split with writers.
• 1:12:10
  SPEAKER_01: Split with writers.
• 1:12:12
  SPEAKER_01: And then I didn't get any sponsorship to go, so any money that I spend out of pocket, I had to put it back.
• 1:12:16
  SPEAKER_01: I don't play that.
• 1:12:17
  Corie: With you, with you, with you, which you know, you become my mother's favorite guest.
• 1:12:22
  SPEAKER_01: If I spend 5,000 before I do anything, I take that with extra.
• 1:12:27
  SPEAKER_01: Of course, pay yourself in interest and put that back first and then dress up in black.
• 1:12:34
  SPEAKER_01: I dress up all in black to go and pay bills because it's a depressing.
• 1:12:38
  SPEAKER_01: It's a depressing.
• 1:12:41
  SPEAKER_01: You have to dress in black when you're going to place.
• 1:12:44
  SPEAKER_02: I take in that because I used to cry.
• 1:12:47
  Corie: Money going out.
• 1:12:50
  SPEAKER_02: Because there's lessons by internet, by wasa, by life.
• 1:12:55
  Corie: Because they're waiting on you.
• 1:12:57
  SPEAKER_02: By gosh.
• 1:12:58
  Corie: You know, always remember it's work to your city on Park Street, right?
• 1:13:01
  Corie: So every month, all around.
• 1:13:02
  Corie: The two people all wrong, though.
• 1:13:04
  SPEAKER_03: Larry Joseph.
• 1:13:07
  Corie: It's exciting times.
• 1:13:09
  Corie: When the men come in the public office to pay the bill, they went on to hunting and they come make the phone cut.
• 1:13:14
  Corie: But it's not no cell phone.
• 1:13:15
  Corie: So the phone is how they make their money, they're coming back for messages to go back somewhere else.
• 1:13:19
  Corie: So boy, all wrong they used to come and play crying in the office.
• 1:13:26
  Corie: And Larry, when Larry Joseph comes, they work done.
• 1:13:29
  Corie: Because he on the time he was out for long.
• 1:13:32
  Corie: So when you go on, you know, TSC thousand is cut.
• 1:13:34
  Corie: And boy, that man's only stopping my little money all this.
• 1:13:37
  Corie: The whole comedy show.
• 1:13:39
  Corie: But then listen, the the the the financial part of it, I think, is important is important, but I just make sure that is done.
• 1:13:46
  SPEAKER_01: And I stand as I say I save my money good enough, so I pay off my house, so I have that to study on.
• 1:13:51
  SPEAKER_01: So that was one of the biggest things.
• 1:13:53
  SPEAKER_01: Getting that done in my younger days um was a big accomplishment for me.
• 1:13:58
  SPEAKER_01: Reason being, not paying off it.
• 1:14:02
  SPEAKER_01: Because my grandfather died, and I ended up with the house.
• 1:14:04
  SPEAKER_01: And AGC was coming back for the house.
• 1:14:06
  SPEAKER_01: AGC come back for the house about five times.
• 1:14:11
  SPEAKER_01: Five times.
• 1:14:12
  SPEAKER_01: And I line, I was pregnant at that time.
• 1:14:16
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, I use my pregnancy.
• 1:14:18
  SPEAKER_01: I say, Bill, you using me for nine months, I using you.
• 1:14:22
  SPEAKER_01: And I went on as the dog in AGC, so no pain, but if you see me just like Mr.
• 1:14:32
  SPEAKER_01: And them times, I am six months, and my stomach looking like I is 12 months.
• 1:14:37
  SPEAKER_02: I look like a heliford.
• 1:14:42
  SPEAKER_01: All right, okay, here what we will do.
• 1:14:44
  SPEAKER_01: We will um organize and so forth and I come out.
• 1:14:49
  SPEAKER_01: As I bend the corner.
• 1:14:50
  Corie: So when you see you break the corner, see you break the corner, then take the house.
• 1:14:54
  SPEAKER_01: I just needed a little more time to save a little more money.
• 1:14:59
  SPEAKER_01: And from the time I saved that extra money, I went to pay off everything one time.
• 1:15:03
  SPEAKER_03: Beautiful.
• 1:15:03
  SPEAKER_01: Big grandma was saving off our car and all kinds of terrible.
• 1:15:08
  SPEAKER_01: Forget that you could still travel.
• 1:15:09
  Corie: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:15:10
  SPEAKER_01: And I took that money and plus the extra saving and pay off for the house.
• 1:15:13
  Corie: Beautiful, beautiful.
• 1:15:14
  Corie: Congrats.
• 1:15:15
  Corie: That's it.
• 1:15:15
  SPEAKER_01: Like relief.
• 1:15:17
  SPEAKER_01: The biggest the relief was not pain, not just pain.
• 1:15:21
  SPEAKER_01: Offer the relief was is that growing up I never had a house of my own.
• 1:15:26
  SPEAKER_01: We were renting.
• 1:15:27
  SPEAKER_01: You understand?
• 1:15:29
  SPEAKER_01: My mom, you know, got in some trouble some years ago, and she had a court date, and I think she had to spend like about a year in prison.
• 1:15:38
  SPEAKER_01: And um, and that same day she went to court, we got put out.
• 1:15:44
  SPEAKER_01: We were living Gonzalez sometimes.
• 1:15:46
  SPEAKER_01: The landlord put us out, and she wasn't there.
• 1:15:51
  SPEAKER_01: And it was just me and my brother, and as everything was mattress, everything is that is the most embarrassing thing.
• 1:15:58
  SPEAKER_01: And I was younger them days, as primary school still, and as everything put out, it started to rain.
• 1:16:06
  SPEAKER_01: So the neighbors come upstairs run out.
• 1:16:09
  SPEAKER_01: And first, I just uh it's small.
• 1:16:12
  SPEAKER_01: I mean my brother, we just stand up in the rain next to our stuff.
• 1:16:16
  SPEAKER_01: We just stand up in the rain next to our stuff, and the neighbors just run out.
• 1:16:20
  SPEAKER_01: A police officer, he's a police officer now, run out and just take us and put us in the in his gallery.
• 1:16:27
  SPEAKER_01: And we stayed with him for about two nights, and then a family member came and got us here today.
• 1:16:35
  SPEAKER_01: All our things got wet as a problem.
• 1:16:37
  SPEAKER_01: Um, people who passing, whoever take, but we call we have nowhere to put it.
• 1:16:41
  Corie: Yeah, of course, of course.
• 1:16:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so that'd be enough that was significant for you for so and I mean the day she went for courtesy, the day she got connected, and she had to make your time.
• 1:16:50
  SPEAKER_01: So my brother and I stayed back in Lavantil.
• 1:16:55
  SPEAKER_01: That time he was in Gonzalez, so we went back to Lavantil with a lady called Liz.
• 1:16:59
  SPEAKER_01: She had seven sons, and she took two extra mouth, two extra mouth, and she was already going through it, but she was like, nah, she couldn't even.
• 1:17:10
  SPEAKER_01: So I it have people in my life that I real grateful for.
• 1:17:16
  SPEAKER_01: You understand?
• 1:17:16
  SPEAKER_01: Because you already have seven mouths to feed, seven boys, only boys she had.
• 1:17:20
  SPEAKER_01: And then my brother, seven eight, and then me nine, the only girl in the house other than her.
• 1:17:26
  SPEAKER_01: And she was a single mother, make it work, and she had to send me to school also, you understand, and that was she was down in the crusher, right up from below the moss.
• 1:17:39
  SPEAKER_03: You understand?
• 1:17:40
  SPEAKER_01: Right down there.
• 1:17:42
  SPEAKER_01: She was living in where they just crushed the um the stone.
• 1:17:47
  SPEAKER_01: So her house, the quarry, so her house was steel, the whole thing is steel because that's where the fellas men used to work around, and it had holes all through.
• 1:17:57
  Corie: Right.
• 1:18:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:18:02
  SPEAKER_01: And then after that, there were a time we were it at that time in my life I was a Muslim also.
• 1:18:10
  SPEAKER_01: I mean when you're living with Muslims, so you had to, you know, follow by the rules.
• 1:18:13
  SPEAKER_01: I'm used to go to the mosque, that's the same must writing out today.
• 1:18:16
  SPEAKER_01: And we used to also be in the back of yard and stuff.
• 1:18:20
  SPEAKER_01: So I telling you, I experienced it all.
• 1:18:24
  SPEAKER_01: I live it.
• 1:18:25
  SPEAKER_01: You understand?
• 1:18:26
  SPEAKER_01: I even when people talk about molestation, I experienced that too.
• 1:18:29
  SPEAKER_01: At the age of eight, I was staying by people.
• 1:18:34
  SPEAKER_01: That's why I just give on like a demon with minds.
• 1:18:37
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:18:38
  SPEAKER_01: You understand, man?
• 1:18:40
  SPEAKER_01: I always tell people to take what are they thought because I am very nice, but I know I'm crazy.
• 1:18:49
  Corie: Yeah, it's too common story in this country.
• 1:18:52
  SPEAKER_01: So, yeah, I've I've been molested at the age of eight.
• 1:18:56
  Corie: Yeah, and it's your trend.
• 1:18:57
  Corie: That is a place where not your experience, maybe, but you're never sure if somebody could believe you when you say that or who they could defend.
• 1:19:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, well, I was told not to say anything because as I said, my mom was in jail at that time, making a year, and my mother is apocalypse.
• 1:19:14
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, at that time, I little girl, you just wear your mommy come home.
• 1:19:17
  SPEAKER_01: Of course.
• 1:19:18
  SPEAKER_01: So when somebody tells you, hey, if you tell your mother, she will end up back in jail.
• 1:19:23
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't tell my mother anything.
• 1:19:25
  Corie: Yeah, yeah, you're taking on that.
• 1:19:28
  SPEAKER_01: I don't want you to go back on jail because I just want you to come out and kind of just want to leave here.
• 1:19:32
  SPEAKER_01: I just want to go.
• 1:19:33
  SPEAKER_01: You understand?
• 1:19:34
  SPEAKER_01: The lady and her seven sons was great to us.
• 1:19:36
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, you understand?
• 1:19:38
  SPEAKER_01: The boys used to actually protect my big girl like a black bigger brothers.
• 1:19:42
  SPEAKER_01: You understand?
• 1:19:43
  Corie: Mm-hmm.
• 1:19:44
  Corie: Yeah, them things can shift.
• 1:19:46
  Corie: Oh, yeah.
• 1:19:47
  Corie: When you hear them kind of stories and see you smiling and performing now, you're my mother died, and I never even tell her.
• 1:19:51
  SPEAKER_01: Seriously?
• 1:19:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:19:54
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:19:54
  SPEAKER_01: She have a way for go, she have a way of going back for things.
• 1:19:57
  SPEAKER_02: You will say ten years past.
• 1:19:59
  SPEAKER_02: It's like Yeah, I can tell she does.
• 1:20:01
  SPEAKER_02: She will find out it seems like how the boss is end up there.
• 1:20:06
  Corie: Maybe don't let she find out any afterlife now.
• 1:20:09
  Corie: Maybe she should.
• 1:20:10
  Corie: Maybe she should.
• 1:20:11
  Corie: Let me address it now.
• 1:20:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I I I kept that.
• 1:20:14
  SPEAKER_01: I kept that.
• 1:20:15
  SPEAKER_01: But that is our experience.
• 1:20:16
  SPEAKER_01: I don't want anybody to do that.
• 1:20:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, of course, of course.
• 1:20:19
  SPEAKER_01: It's not nice.
• 1:20:20
  Corie: It's not yeah, and you know, is talking about them times versus now, too.
• 1:20:24
  Corie: That was a time where the idea of therapy and putting children through things and talking, it wasn't that popular.
• 1:20:31
  Corie: I didn't have to do that.
• 1:20:32
  SPEAKER_01: I had to be my own therapy.
• 1:20:33
  SPEAKER_01: That's right.
• 1:20:34
  SPEAKER_01: That's right.
• 1:20:34
  SPEAKER_01: I had to be my own therapy, and I say, I guess it's how I grew.
• 1:20:38
  SPEAKER_01: And everything we we find ways of just putting things like lock away.
• 1:20:43
  SPEAKER_01: It's there, but it's just alright, let's just forget it and move on.
• 1:20:46
  Corie: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:20:47
  SPEAKER_01: Because that's how life was like, oh god, just forget that, move on.
• 1:20:50
  Corie: Yeah, that that was just that was just the reality of life, you know.
• 1:20:53
  SPEAKER_01: Just forget that now.
• 1:20:54
  SPEAKER_01: No, you're still talking about that.
• 1:20:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, or he didn't mean it.
• 1:20:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that was the he ain't mean it, or just forget now.
• 1:21:01
  SPEAKER_01: Like, we don't talk about that again, right?
• 1:21:03
  SPEAKER_01: It's done.
• 1:21:04
  SPEAKER_01: In past, God, God will God will make things better.
• 1:21:07
  SPEAKER_01: That was the talk.
• 1:21:07
  Corie: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:21:08
  Corie: For sure, for sure, for sure.
• 1:21:09
  Corie: Well, I mean, a huge turn on because when you're talking about being able to pay off, it's few people could really say that.
• 1:21:15
  Corie: But at your age, you pay off your house and your career and living on your own.
• 1:21:18
  SPEAKER_01: I know, I know famous, and then I had people tell me No, it's not right, you're famous.
• 1:21:22
  SPEAKER_01: I think you read it.
• 1:21:24
  SPEAKER_01: Relative, a relative told me that I will never make it in soccer, or I'll never make it.
• 1:21:30
  Corie: So it's best I just so them things don't really bother you.
• 1:21:33
  SPEAKER_01: You you when you when you hear them things, it's motivating, or is I it's more it does hurt, especially when you hear it who it come from, but then I'll be like, there's a reason that person telling me that you're telling me that because you know I'm good.
• 1:21:45
  Corie: Yeah.
• 1:21:46
  SPEAKER_01: So you know what?
• 1:21:48
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not stopping.
• 1:21:49
  Corie: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:21:50
  Corie: You understand?
• 1:21:51
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I did come close to stopping because I only had$4,750 something dollars in my account, and I had a son, yeah.
• 1:21:59
  SPEAKER_01: I line, that was the exact$4,740 something dollars in my account, and I had a son, and I was like, because when you're doing so car, I spending money behind it and not making back and not getting no shows.
• 1:22:12
  SPEAKER_01: And when I do get shows, I had to perform for free.
• 1:22:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, just for the exposure, just for the exposure, but then when I do the exposure in your fet, the other man who sees me in your fete and trying to perform next, he wants me to expose.
• 1:22:24
  SPEAKER_01: He wanted me to expose myself in his show too.
• 1:22:27
  SPEAKER_01: And then that next promoter wants me to expose myself in his show.
• 1:22:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so I had to be buying clothes for all these different things, and I'm not making any money.
• 1:22:36
  Corie: So this is when you come off the band circuit and you decide you're doing solo.
• 1:22:39
  Corie: Okay, so at that point you were deciding going to do it.
• 1:22:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I was just doing it on my own.
• 1:22:44
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I got the help of Braxton.
• 1:22:46
  SPEAKER_01: Braxton, you know, rest of these.
• 1:22:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he started off.
• 1:22:50
  SPEAKER_01: He also started me off with the doing the backgrounds, doing background vocals.
• 1:22:55
  SPEAKER_01: And then him and Colonel, Colonel Roberts.
• 1:22:57
  SPEAKER_01: I used to go and sit down by Colonel for hours.
• 1:23:01
  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes I reach by Colonel all, let me say, two o'clock in the evening, and I ain't leaving until three o'clock in the morning.
• 1:23:08
  SPEAKER_01: Traveling back to Cuba or to Arima.
• 1:23:12
  SPEAKER_01: By myself.
• 1:23:14
  SPEAKER_01: Traveling.
• 1:23:15
  Corie: Yeah, just making it out.
• 1:23:16
  SPEAKER_01: Just trying to get a chance.
• 1:23:17
  Corie: Yeah, that's all right.
• 1:23:18
  SPEAKER_01: And sometimes, most of the times when I come there, I ain't getting a chance.
• 1:23:21
  SPEAKER_01: I just sit down, waiting, and you have other people recording.
• 1:23:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, very busy thing, whatever.
• 1:23:26
  SPEAKER_01: I say, alright.
• 1:23:27
  SPEAKER_01: I say, yeah.
• 1:23:28
  SPEAKER_01: And I will just stay and then I'll do it again.
• 1:23:30
  SPEAKER_01: And then you see, come back, sit down, wait for hours.
• 1:23:33
  SPEAKER_01: And then you'll be like, come and do some backgrounds.
• 1:23:35
  SPEAKER_01: Alright.
• 1:23:36
  SPEAKER_01: And then I will go by him, like about let me say six in the evening, and knock out nine songs.
• 1:23:43
  SPEAKER_01: Nine backgrounds, different songs.
• 1:23:45
  SPEAKER_01: I do palance, I do um um a lot of Marshall Road matches.
• 1:23:50
  Corie: Yeah, well, one of the problems you have is the credits for these things, you know.
• 1:23:54
  Corie: You is you don't see it.
• 1:23:56
  Corie: I just come across the jam tongue thing.
• 1:23:57
  Corie: A lot of people don't read credits, you see, yeah, but Marshall just make sure I'm putting even on his movie, right?
• 1:24:03
  SPEAKER_01: Name there for doing one of the Indian stuff and things, yeah, song uh on his movie and stuff and things like that.
• 1:24:11
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, I I will say you're grinding for this.
• 1:24:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and them time, them times I gain 300 for a background, right?
• 1:24:19
  SPEAKER_01: So when I do nine backgrounds in one night, yeah, obviously, I couldn't do it.
• 1:24:22
  SPEAKER_01: I go to an ice cream put away and have yeah, ice cream put away.
• 1:24:29
  SPEAKER_01: Might be much, but I'm putting away away.
• 1:24:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and then time I have no children, so right.
• 1:24:34
  Corie: Yeah, you can make it blow most of it.
• 1:24:36
  Corie: When it switched to Calypso, was it a switch in your mind or when you was always doing calypso?
• 1:24:41
  SPEAKER_01: Grew up under the calypso.
• 1:24:43
  SPEAKER_01: My mom, as I say, used to do backgrounds for calypso.
• 1:24:46
  SPEAKER_01: Um, my first calypso was called Shake them off in the street's RC.
• 1:24:50
  SPEAKER_01: Um, after that, after my mom died, I I was doing the boat, but as I said, they didn't used to play my thing, and then on top of that, I didn't have money to record.
• 1:25:00
  SPEAKER_01: And then when I realized singing calypso, even if you don't record your song, you could score it out.
• 1:25:06
  SPEAKER_01: So, what I used to do is sing the melodies.
• 1:25:08
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 1:25:10
  SPEAKER_01: I used to send voice notes to the person who have to score my music out, and I say, Alright, I want the bass line like this doom doom doom doom ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding.
• 1:25:22
  SPEAKER_01: And that's what I used to do.
• 1:25:26
  SPEAKER_03: That's crazy.
• 1:25:27
  SPEAKER_01: And then he would score it out and stuff, or I'll do a quick demo, and then all them times was like a 200.
• 1:25:34
  SPEAKER_01: I'll do a demo, and when when people do a demo for you, they will not do it perfect because they don't want you to use that demo stuff as a final so you gain real ratchet.
• 1:25:44
  SPEAKER_01: So that's why I used to have to sing, and I'll sing the keys, I'll be like, Okay, I want the keys to go.
• 1:25:49
  SPEAKER_01: So and I will sing, I'll sing my horns and all tap and I'll tell him, All right, yo, split the harmonies here and so forth.
• 1:26:05
  Corie: So you had formal music training and things at all to be.
• 1:26:07
  SPEAKER_01: What my mom used to do, seeing that we didn't have no money, please.
• 1:26:10
  SPEAKER_01: Ole, that is the tagline.
• 1:26:12
  SPEAKER_01: We didn't have no money.
• 1:26:14
  SPEAKER_01: We used to listen to a lot of radio because we didn't have TV and stuff.
• 1:26:17
  SPEAKER_01: So my mom used to listen to, and you know, long time they used to play real RB and thing on.
• 1:26:21
  SPEAKER_01: So my mom used to make me mimic.
• 1:26:24
  SPEAKER_01: So, like if I went Houston play, she'll be like, All right, mimic this.
• 1:26:28
  SPEAKER_01: And I would mimic that, and she would have me singing that everyday whole day.
• 1:26:33
  SPEAKER_01: Everyday whole day.
• 1:26:35
  SPEAKER_01: To me, it was like I was like, Oh god, okay, but now as you get older, you realize, well, all right, it was training that was our training, vocal training.
• 1:26:44
  Corie: Because what you're talking about, there that's easy to do to scroll out to my voice for people.
• 1:26:48
  Corie: I didn't think it had many that that's as easy as you making it so.
• 1:26:52
  Corie: Okay, easy for you.
• 1:26:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think even up to this day, even with my song Blessing, I sit down with the producer and the producer, you know, he was he very bad with keys, so that's why I love him so much.
• 1:27:04
  SPEAKER_01: Who's the producer?
• 1:27:05
  SPEAKER_01: Um Mang.
• 1:27:06
  SPEAKER_01: He's that's Kess skiboardist.
• 1:27:08
  SPEAKER_01: Got it.
• 1:27:08
  SPEAKER_01: Jeron Mang, Mang Studios.
• 1:27:10
  SPEAKER_01: And then I will be like, all right, yeah.
• 1:27:12
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I'll settle for the hornman.
• 1:27:14
  SPEAKER_01: I say, No, I know what I want the horn man to play.
• 1:27:17
  SPEAKER_01: And I he will play the song and I will record with my mouth how I want the horn to play.
• 1:27:24
  SPEAKER_01: I want a kind of crescendo, and then I want it split here, and I'll just put out and then I will explain.
• 1:27:30
  Corie: You just say yeah.
• 1:27:31
  SPEAKER_01: So when the horn man and them come out, like, yeah, we will get something, I said, no, I know all I want to play.
• 1:27:36
  SPEAKER_01: Just play this.
• 1:27:39
  Corie: Yeah, you any company song in the head before.
• 1:27:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because you remember I write too, and then I grew up in the era where in Amara Studios, when them artists, not just my father, David Redder, all them fellas, and them coming in the studio, and them in the studio for a whole month with one song.
• 1:27:54
  Corie: Yeah, I guess, I guess, I guess, I guess, I guess.
• 1:27:57
  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes close to a whole four months doing an album.
• 1:28:01
  SPEAKER_01: And they're doing it from scratch.
• 1:28:03
  SPEAKER_01: It wasn't a rhythm, and they're writing a song to a rhythm.
• 1:28:06
  Corie: A man coming and just and they're writing.
• 1:28:10
  SPEAKER_01: And they writing.
• 1:28:11
  SPEAKER_01: And then the guitar man will come, then the keyboards will come, then the bass man will come.
• 1:28:15
  SPEAKER_01: And them times it didn't have nothing about you had to sing down your song.
• 1:28:20
  SPEAKER_01: And then if you make a mistake, we had to go back to the top, sing down the background vocalist, and them four of them they had to sing at the same time.
• 1:28:28
  Corie: Yeah, Pelam say no cut and pace, no cut on pace.
• 1:28:32
  SPEAKER_01: So everybody have to know the harmony and keep with the harmony.
• 1:28:35
  Corie: Right, yeah.
• 1:28:35
  SPEAKER_01: You understand, man?
• 1:28:36
  SPEAKER_01: So your pitch, you had to have nice, you had to have pitch correction, you had a lot pitch.
• 1:28:41
  Corie: Yeah, no also tune.
• 1:28:42
  SPEAKER_01: You understand me?
• 1:28:44
  SPEAKER_01: And that's where I come from.
• 1:28:45
  SPEAKER_01: That's how I train.
• 1:28:47
  Corie: Yeah, I train from that.
• 1:28:48
  SPEAKER_01: So when people see me writing songs without rhythm, I remember somebody telling me like, you write the song without a rhythm.
• 1:28:54
  Corie: I was like, Yeah, that's more normal than I don't know.
• 1:28:57
  SPEAKER_01: They find I crazy.
• 1:28:59
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, What do you mean?
• 1:29:00
  SPEAKER_01: So you don't write your song without a rhythm?
• 1:29:03
  SPEAKER_01: Like the melody in your head, you come up with an idea and they just start to hum melodies and see which one and yeah, yeah, not so much.
• 1:29:10
  SPEAKER_01: No, I was like, yo, well, I get lazy, bro.
• 1:29:12
  Corie: Different time, different time, different time.
• 1:29:13
  Corie: They don't know it, you know.
• 1:29:14
  Corie: They might know it at all.
• 1:29:15
  Corie: No, you bring up Basilie, right?
• 1:29:17
  Corie: They will kill me if I do certain things here.
• 1:29:18
  Corie: We can't went and I see Queen Asoka, right?
• 1:29:21
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you.
• 1:29:22
  Corie: Yes, I did, I did, I did.
• 1:29:23
  Corie: Salute to Kevin.
• 1:29:24
  Corie: Salute to everybody who was much more than I could have ever bargained for in terms of a movie or production because one of the locals are done there already.
• 1:29:32
  Corie: I know Kevin has.
• 1:29:38
  Corie: Yeah, congrats.
• 1:29:38
  Corie: I mean, you've done a great job.
• 1:29:40
  Corie: Well, in terms of the production itself, the acting and the marketing of it is a great job.
• 1:29:44
  Corie: Uh, make real love in the movie, too.
• 1:29:46
  Corie: Terry in line I went to the show.
• 1:29:47
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and that's that's the fact.
• 1:29:48
  Corie: I say knees, I said Terry knees in a lot of love.
• 1:29:55
  SPEAKER_02: I say, what I think that's what makes people drive to go to it.
• 1:29:59
  SPEAKER_02: It's like, wait, it has a sex scene in it.
• 1:30:03
  SPEAKER_02: We had to go and see this.
• 1:30:04
  SPEAKER_02: It's like so they just go just to see that pass it anyway.
• 1:30:07
  SPEAKER_02: Again, only forty dollars.
• 1:30:08
  SPEAKER_02: Come, come, come.
• 1:30:09
  SPEAKER_02: Come up, come, come up, go see it.
• 1:30:11
  Corie: Uh no, but glad that people supported in the way they did.
• 1:30:14
  SPEAKER_01: No, it was it was real well received that people went and see three times and see.
• 1:30:18
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:30:19
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, ooh, thank you.
• 1:30:21
  SPEAKER_01: And a lot of people brought their like the teenagers and stuff and thing with them, and they um, and most of them would be like, My parents said they carry me to see a look.
• 1:30:29
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, I would say, but I like it.
• 1:30:32
  SPEAKER_01: I like it.
• 1:30:33
  SPEAKER_01: It was like, and then they would tell me, it's like, I was I could write a movie, you know, and that is what that is also my thing to you know impact people in order to do it because we could we could have our own film industry here in Trinidad, just like all the Africans us have movies coming out of Africa, we could have that right here in Trinidad, and we do, you know, there are a lot of local movies, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:30:59
  SPEAKER_01: A lot, you understand?
• 1:31:00
  SPEAKER_01: But I just always say there's always have that one to you know give notice to the others, yeah.
• 1:31:06
  SPEAKER_01: Because there are others way before me.
• 1:31:08
  SPEAKER_01: That is good production, great acting, right?
• 1:31:10
  SPEAKER_01: But just you know, with the mentality of it's a local movie.
• 1:31:14
  Corie: Same thing you say with the sponsorship to go up there.
• 1:31:16
  Corie: Sometimes we don't see our own as as valuable as some things that come from.
• 1:31:19
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, true, yeah, because this movie takes close to seven years to do.
• 1:31:22
  Corie: There's one Kevin.
• 1:31:23
  Corie: I was surprised.
• 1:31:25
  Corie: So at the time, you they they made it built around your life, built around your story, or the details.
• 1:31:30
  SPEAKER_01: No, no, it wasn't built around my life, but it is it have it have things that resonate.
• 1:31:34
  Corie: Yeah, we hear some of it today.
• 1:31:36
  SPEAKER_01: It it has, you know.
• 1:31:37
  SPEAKER_01: Um, even till this day, I have struggled with getting my music played.
• 1:31:41
  SPEAKER_01: You understand?
• 1:31:42
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I was go hard with my calypso because it's part of history, and I am all for culture.
• 1:31:46
  SPEAKER_01: I'm very serious with culture and not just I when I say culture, I don't just mean yeah, I love so and calypso.
• 1:31:55
  SPEAKER_01: I mean the history behind it.
• 1:31:57
  SPEAKER_01: You understand the history behind it and how it's important it is to our bloodline.
• 1:32:02
  SPEAKER_01: That is when I say I support culture.
• 1:32:04
  SPEAKER_01: And till this day, I just do both so and calypso.
• 1:32:08
  SPEAKER_01: But it's hardly as long time I will release like about four socks, and so I don't do that anymore because it's not making sense financially, of course, and then it's not getting that support.
• 1:32:18
  SPEAKER_01: Now, a lot of people be like, Oh, some of them artists who were complaining, they're releasing shit and ding ding.
• 1:32:24
  SPEAKER_01: If you know if you know you want to there's two sides to a lot of things, you understand me?
• 1:32:31
  SPEAKER_01: Two sides to a lot of things.
• 1:32:33
  SPEAKER_01: There are a lot of music out here that is great from artists that we do not know.
• 1:32:39
  SPEAKER_01: We just need to give them the play.
• 1:32:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, they do marketing, they are they're one core.
• 1:32:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's the other thing.
• 1:32:46
  SPEAKER_01: They say they're not marketing as well.
• 1:32:47
  SPEAKER_01: They do marketing, but if you are not interested in knowing who this person is, you will not take the time to receive it.
• 1:32:54
  SPEAKER_01: And as always, give people my story, my experience with these DJs.
• 1:33:00
  SPEAKER_01: I went to a radio station and the DJ gone to an interview, and the DJ was like, Hey, where your music?
• 1:33:06
  SPEAKER_01: I said, You have it.
• 1:33:08
  SPEAKER_01: No, knowing me, anytime I have an interview on a radio station, I will listen to that radio station for that whole week up to when is my interview.
• 1:33:17
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm listening to every single DJ, every announcer, and I'm listening to all the music that you're playing.
• 1:33:22
  SPEAKER_01: So I know all you have it.
• 1:33:25
  SPEAKER_01: So when I got there, he was like, Wait, music?
• 1:33:27
  SPEAKER_01: I say, You have it.
• 1:33:29
  SPEAKER_01: No, I now he ain't too familiar with me, maybe, because he's like in my 20 or somewhere, young DJ.
• 1:33:36
  SPEAKER_01: I said, But you have it.
• 1:33:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, nah, yeah.
• 1:33:39
  SPEAKER_01: What's your name again?
• 1:33:39
  SPEAKER_01: I said Terry Lyons.
• 1:33:42
  SPEAKER_01: What he said, what's your name again?
• 1:33:44
  SPEAKER_01: Now the announcer knows who I am because he's uh uh he's a prominent one, and I was like Terry Lyons.
• 1:33:50
  SPEAKER_01: So but the DJ don't know the DJ you know, he knows maybe familiar with the name and so forth.
• 1:33:55
  SPEAKER_01: I said you have it.
• 1:33:57
  SPEAKER_01: So what he name only laughing.
• 1:33:59
  SPEAKER_01: I said, No, he has it because I'm listening to all you I know you have the rhythm, you're just not playing me.
• 1:34:06
  SPEAKER_01: So I said, type it up, Terry Lyons.
• 1:34:08
  SPEAKER_01: I said it's this rhythm.
• 1:34:09
  SPEAKER_01: No, it was the rhythm that Nadia was on.
• 1:34:11
  SPEAKER_01: The people want so car, nothing but I had a song called Walk Me.
• 1:34:15
  SPEAKER_01: Come walk me, walk me up, come walk me, walk me, walk me when he pull it up now.
• 1:34:22
  SPEAKER_01: It is in the exact order in which he does play it.
• 1:34:26
  SPEAKER_01: So he has problem child first, then lyrical, skips my name, goes a nadio, goes to the the ding dong, and um is is no, is the adamo and salty, okay, and then the Nadia seeing that she has the biggest song on the rhythm, Nadia last.
• 1:34:45
  SPEAKER_01: I said, That's me there in the middle, the one that you skip.
• 1:34:51
  SPEAKER_01: That's me, there, yeah, yeah.
• 1:34:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I don't know if you always say it and so forth, but I I make it out like in a joke.
• 1:34:58
  SPEAKER_01: I wasn't, you know.
• 1:34:59
  SPEAKER_01: I said, that's me.
• 1:35:00
  SPEAKER_01: That's me.
• 1:35:01
  SPEAKER_01: We'll skip.
• 1:35:03
  SPEAKER_01: That's media.
• 1:35:04
  SPEAKER_01: He laughed at the guy laugh.
• 1:35:06
  SPEAKER_01: When he did play the song now, yeah.
• 1:35:08
  SPEAKER_01: This have our vibe now.
• 1:35:10
  SPEAKER_01: When this when the rhythm was released initially, why didn't you take the time to listen to the vibe?
• 1:35:17
  Corie: DJs have a different role now.
• 1:35:19
  Corie: I don't know.
• 1:35:19
  Corie: I don't know if they'll listen.
• 1:35:21
  SPEAKER_01: Take the time to listen to all the music, take the time to give everyone a play.
• 1:35:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, and let the response, let the let the let out there decide.
• 1:35:30
  SPEAKER_01: And they just be like, Well, we play it and we didn't get no response.
• 1:35:34
  SPEAKER_01: How, how, how, how, how?
• 1:35:36
  Corie: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:35:37
  Corie: Different time.
• 1:35:38
  SPEAKER_01: Most of the time they pull for names.
• 1:35:40
  Corie: Yeah, of course, of course, of course, of course.
• 1:35:42
  SPEAKER_01: And I remember Nadia came to uh interview with me to make sure DJs.
• 1:35:46
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I mean, she wrote I Am Lion for Me.
• 1:35:48
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I see, that's not the one.
• 1:35:50
  SPEAKER_01: And she came to the radio station.
• 1:35:51
  SPEAKER_01: She said, Well, I I want to see Fall Lego play it now.
• 1:35:54
  SPEAKER_01: She came to the interview with me to make sure that I get a proper interview.
• 1:35:59
  SPEAKER_01: And then because it has certain stations and certain announcers don't want too much of unknown back then, didn't want too much of unknown artists on the show.
• 1:36:09
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:36:10
  SPEAKER_01: And if they do, the energy that they will give are well known.
• 1:36:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, it's at the end of the unknown, is like, so yeah, so we'll play on the phone or the tinging and the yeah, that's weird.
• 1:36:21
  SPEAKER_01: It's like you ain't getting that that proper interview and that that every that fan for everybody.
• 1:36:28
  SPEAKER_01: Of course, of course.
• 1:36:29
  SPEAKER_01: Now it have there are plenty of times if you listen to the radio station after two in the morning when where the bot playing, the amount of great groovy soaker and power soaker it have out there.
• 1:36:41
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, so why the I'm coming home from a show and listening to the unbot, and I'm like, this is mad.
• 1:36:48
  SPEAKER_01: But how come I never hear this?
• 1:36:50
  SPEAKER_01: This power song real nice, but it's from an artist that we don't really know.
• 1:36:54
  Corie: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:36:55
  Corie: You understand me?
• 1:36:56
  Corie: Now it's an events too.
• 1:36:58
  SPEAKER_01: You know, you know if you play that person song unknowingly and you bust that person, yeah.
• 1:37:04
  Corie: That'll happen again.
• 1:37:05
  SPEAKER_01: Then Trinidad will know who he is or who she is.
• 1:37:08
  Corie: I don't know if DJs are playing that role at all.
• 1:37:09
  Corie: I don't know if they see themselves as having that role at all.
• 1:37:12
  SPEAKER_01: And John Public too need to start calling in and just ask the DJs here it.
• 1:37:17
  SPEAKER_01: I like Nadia, play Nadia for me and after Nadia.
• 1:37:20
  SPEAKER_01: Or let play a little um, play our artist that maybe we ain't know yet now.
• 1:37:24
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:37:24
  SPEAKER_01: Give them a little play.
• 1:37:26
  SPEAKER_01: Time for me to start to call for it too.
• 1:37:29
  SPEAKER_01: And give them fella because it have a lot.
• 1:37:32
  Corie: So I am lion, they were playing this on radio at the time.
• 1:37:35
  Corie: Oh, yeah.
• 1:37:35
  Corie: Nadie wrote it.
• 1:37:36
  Corie: Nadie wrote that song, and people like it.
• 1:37:39
  SPEAKER_01: And then people, a lot of DJs was playing it because they thought it was like a a troll for for my sibling, which it wasn't.
• 1:37:46
  SPEAKER_01: I like that.
• 1:37:46
  SPEAKER_01: Because I because I was said, I am the real lion.
• 1:37:49
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 1:37:49
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:37:50
  SPEAKER_01: So initially they thought it's I wrote it.
• 1:37:52
  SPEAKER_01: So they're so when I say like hello, I didn't write that song, isn't Nadia wrote it.
• 1:37:57
  SPEAKER_01: And Nadia wrote that off of me going through a hard time.
• 1:38:03
  SPEAKER_01: I had my son.
• 1:38:04
  SPEAKER_01: My son was like about he wasn't a year yet.
• 1:38:07
  SPEAKER_01: And I traveled to rehearsals or by Nadie.
• 1:38:11
  SPEAKER_01: If it's one thing I don't read, a lot of people don't know.
• 1:38:14
  SPEAKER_01: My son, he bags everything.
• 1:38:16
  SPEAKER_01: Traveled to rehearsals by Nadi.
• 1:38:19
  SPEAKER_01: He wasn't a year yet.
• 1:38:21
  SPEAKER_01: And time to go home.
• 1:38:22
  SPEAKER_01: Rehearsals finished late.
• 1:38:24
  SPEAKER_01: And time to go home, you know.
• 1:38:26
  SPEAKER_01: My son, father, and I was going through a little thing, and I had no way of getting back home.
• 1:38:31
  SPEAKER_01: And I didn't tell Nadia anything, and I trying to figure it out.
• 1:38:35
  SPEAKER_01: Calling my son, father, and I couldn't get that.
• 1:38:40
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:38:40
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, how are you going and reach home after this?
• 1:38:43
  SPEAKER_01: Is after 12 in the morning, after one with a newborn, how am I reaching home?
• 1:38:49
  SPEAKER_01: And it's just a whole set of things that I was going through.
• 1:38:52
  SPEAKER_01: And I asked Nadia, I said, Hey, and going and use the toilet.
• 1:38:56
  SPEAKER_01: And I had my son with me, and I break down in the toilet and start crying.
• 1:39:00
  SPEAKER_01: Crying, crying.
• 1:39:02
  SPEAKER_01: But a silent ball cry.
• 1:39:05
  SPEAKER_01: You know, you're crying, but you ain't want nobody in here in that kind of of course.
• 1:39:10
  SPEAKER_01: And it's not everything just coming out, just holding my son and I'm rocking in Nadia toilet.
• 1:39:14
  SPEAKER_01: So but Naddy, Nadie's a very observant person, so even throughout the rehearsals, before rehearsals finish, I get to realize nobody ain't coming to pick me up.
• 1:39:25
  SPEAKER_01: I had to find my way home.
• 1:39:27
  SPEAKER_01: And she realized like my whole energy was just different.
• 1:39:31
  SPEAKER_01: As much as I laughing and things, she she said, I know something was wrong.
• 1:39:36
  SPEAKER_01: And when she missed me, she was like, she started asking.
• 1:39:39
  SPEAKER_01: I could hear through the door, she's like, Oh, it's Terry.
• 1:39:45
  SPEAKER_01: She said, and the rest of the side, I think she used you in the toilet.
• 1:39:47
  SPEAKER_01: She's like, in the toilet with my tires.
• 1:39:50
  SPEAKER_01: Why would she go in the toilet with my tires?
• 1:39:52
  SPEAKER_01: And then she clicked and she knocked.
• 1:39:54
  SPEAKER_01: She said, Terry.
• 1:39:56
  SPEAKER_01: Just how she called my name alone?
• 1:39:58
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know, she done know.
• 1:40:00
  SPEAKER_01: I ain't inside there, peeing or shitty.
• 1:40:02
  SPEAKER_01: I she know I ain't going in no toilet to do that with my son.
• 1:40:06
  SPEAKER_01: It's just like Terry opened the door, open the door.
• 1:40:08
  SPEAKER_01: And she and I opened the door and she comes and she locked the door behind.
• 1:40:11
  SPEAKER_01: She and I I did with my son.
• 1:40:14
  SPEAKER_01: And she just hold me and she rocking there with me too.
• 1:40:17
  SPEAKER_01: And then she and I go end up dropping me home.
• 1:40:22
  SPEAKER_01: She and I go end up dropping us home.
• 1:40:24
  SPEAKER_01: Um I was living, I was in Maravala up on a steep hill.
• 1:40:28
  SPEAKER_01: And she dropped us home.
• 1:40:30
  SPEAKER_01: And about coming closer to Carnival, she said, Terry, I have a song for you.
• 1:40:35
  SPEAKER_01: I just want to know if you're brave enough to sing it.
• 1:40:38
  SPEAKER_01: I say, Yeah.
• 1:40:39
  SPEAKER_01: No, me, any song here, then my ball in here.
• 1:40:43
  SPEAKER_01: She said, Well, when you come up the road, you will so forth, and yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:40:46
  SPEAKER_01: And then she played this song for me, and I said, Yeah, no, one time I know the the words I am the real and I know it would have been a I say, you know what?
• 1:40:56
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, yeah, one time.
• 1:40:58
  SPEAKER_01: I can't always be studying other people's feelings.
• 1:41:01
  SPEAKER_01: Nobody studies mine.
• 1:41:03
  SPEAKER_01: And I say, you know what, Terry, sing the song, and I sang the song.
• 1:41:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, big and she said, just write the second verse, and I did it.
• 1:41:10
  SPEAKER_01: And I co-produced it, she wrote it, and she came to to to interviews with me to make sure.
• 1:41:16
  Corie: And he beat them bad as a month, so I'm the same to get the fourth thing too.
• 1:41:19
  Corie: You bring it back and beat.
• 1:41:20
  SPEAKER_01: And that was since 2017.
• 1:41:23
  Corie: That was huge, yeah.
• 1:41:23
  Corie: That that song was.
• 1:41:24
  SPEAKER_01: And she wrote that song.
• 1:41:25
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my goodness, that song was a blessing, and things around it was the most hardest year for me to get put out at shoes.
• 1:41:32
  SPEAKER_01: It was it was a whole set of yeah, gotcha.
• 1:41:36
  SPEAKER_01: But my dad loved the song.
• 1:41:37
  Corie: No, that song is iconic.
• 1:41:38
  SPEAKER_01: Iconic he loved the song from the time he heard the song.
• 1:41:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, this is it.
• 1:41:41
  Corie: Yeah, well, I like that.
• 1:41:42
  Corie: If you don't get it, you don't sing the Oslin thing.
• 1:41:45
  Corie: Yeah, so they came back in Lion with that.
• 1:41:47
  Corie: This is it.
• 1:41:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yes, the lion.
• 1:41:50
  SPEAKER_01: I am the real lion.
• 1:41:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, this is it.
• 1:41:53
  SPEAKER_01: He loved the song.
• 1:41:55
  SPEAKER_01: I feel he wish he had the song.
• 1:41:57
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:41:58
  Corie: Probably David was about 10 minutes, right?
• 1:41:59
  Corie: 10-15 minutes.
• 1:42:00
  Corie: He'd love it.
• 1:42:01
  Corie: You know, funny you bring up Nadia, right?
• 1:42:03
  Corie: One of the funniest things I ever see with you is on Yellow Code TV with Nadia.
• 1:42:07
  Corie: I never used to stop watching that during the pandemic.
• 1:42:10
  Corie: Dem tell you to act shy like a man tracking.
• 1:42:14
  Corie: You remember this?
• 1:42:14
  Corie: That when the noise you read was for Queen of Soka.
• 1:42:17
  Corie: So you can act in real life.
• 1:42:18
  Corie: You remember that?
• 1:42:19
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 1:42:19
  Corie: But all your women believe, eh?
• 1:42:21
  SPEAKER_02: True talk.
• 1:42:22
  SPEAKER_01: That was the holy and solely beat.
• 1:42:24
  SPEAKER_01: Never tell you something, right?
• 1:42:26
  SPEAKER_01: The cabra, I think the cabra guy, yeah.
• 1:42:29
  SPEAKER_01: The cabra guy.
• 1:42:30
  SPEAKER_01: Before it started thing, Nadia was in the kitchen or something.
• 1:42:34
  SPEAKER_01: So the camera guy, Nadia, barn room is a little separate from so forth.
• 1:42:38
  SPEAKER_01: But then the camera guy was in the next room out and and I stand up talking to him, you know.
• 1:42:44
  SPEAKER_01: But he was smoking weed.
• 1:42:46
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 1:42:47
  SPEAKER_01: And I guess secondhand hi.
• 1:42:50
  SPEAKER_01: Oh because Nadia came out when she came out.
• 1:42:52
  SPEAKER_01: She says, I talk.
• 1:42:53
  SPEAKER_01: I just talking more.
• 1:42:55
  SPEAKER_01: We could talk about you know industry, talking about clothes, talking about all kinds of things.
• 1:42:58
  SPEAKER_01: And she was like, Terry.
• 1:43:02
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, Well, yeah, she, you come from that smoke.
• 1:43:08
  SPEAKER_01: I said, Nah, good.
• 1:43:09
  SPEAKER_01: We out in the open.
• 1:43:10
  SPEAKER_01: We're not inside an e enclosed place.
• 1:43:12
  SPEAKER_01: I said, We out in the open.
• 1:43:14
  SPEAKER_01: She said, Terry.
• 1:43:15
  SPEAKER_02: She sat a laugh, she said, Terry.
• 1:43:18
  SPEAKER_02: Terry, come from that smoke.
• 1:43:21
  SPEAKER_02: She said, Brother, I move from Terry.
• 1:43:24
  SPEAKER_02: Terry, that's gonna sucker.
• 1:43:25
  SPEAKER_02: And I come time for the interview.
• 1:43:27
  SPEAKER_02: I just started giggle.
• 1:43:30
  SPEAKER_02: That was one of the funniest interviews I ever see.
• 1:43:32
  SPEAKER_02: To giggle.
• 1:43:35
  SPEAKER_02: You see the same thing.
• 1:43:38
  SPEAKER_02: She sees it coming.
• 1:43:39
  SPEAKER_02: She said, she said, This is what I'm talking about.
• 1:43:43
  SPEAKER_02: You see, you just you just watching this guy just laughing.
• 1:43:47
  SPEAKER_02: You see that?
• 1:43:47
  SPEAKER_02: So when the start the interview, you a bunch of the interview cut off because i owned I laugh through the whole thing.
• 1:43:56
  Corie: Yes, hilarious.
• 1:43:57
  SPEAKER_02: To get me, to get me to be properly.
• 1:43:59
  SPEAKER_02: She's like Terry, the camera.
• 1:44:01
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, stay steady.
• 1:44:02
  SPEAKER_02: I was like a miserable child.
• 1:44:05
  SPEAKER_02: Giggling.
• 1:44:07
  SPEAKER_02: So all of that was just I love it.
• 1:44:10
  Corie: I love it.
• 1:44:12
  Corie: They say Terry acts shy.
• 1:44:13
  Corie: Boy, is he acting?
• 1:44:14
  Corie: I say now, boy.
• 1:44:16
  Corie: I say you do this before.
• 1:44:20
  SPEAKER_02: But I was gonna love that.
• 1:44:22
  Corie: Yeah, beautiful.
• 1:44:22
  Corie: So look at the whole cruel, all them alana.
• 1:44:25
  Corie: That that was a that was a that was a move.
• 1:44:28
  Corie: So when them start to laugh, you home your cat.
• 1:44:30
  SPEAKER_01: So how I expect me to know.
• 1:44:35
  Corie: Listen, Trey, before I let you go, it's a tune they go kill me if I ain't talking about two.
• 1:44:38
  Corie: Okay, well.
• 1:44:39
  Corie: Fling bam bam.
• 1:44:40
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my gosh.
• 1:44:41
  SPEAKER_01: Written by problem child.
• 1:44:42
  SPEAKER_01: Oh it's problem child.
• 1:44:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:44:44
  SPEAKER_01: Written by problem child.
• 1:44:45
  Corie: No problem radio and playing them thing.
• 1:44:46
  Corie: That's that's what I'm saying.
• 1:44:47
  Corie: No, no, no.
• 1:44:48
  SPEAKER_01: That was going from the gates, you know, with the help from before and stuff, and I started to do things a little differently and think, but fling bam bam was yeah.
• 1:44:56
  Corie: Yeah, congrats on that.
• 1:44:58
  Corie: Thank you.
• 1:44:58
  SPEAKER_01: Huge, huge, huge.
• 1:44:59
  Corie: I remember hearing it's a not knowing, I just hear it in our party.
• 1:45:02
  Corie: Yeah, and it's our partner who he he married and everything, yeah.
• 1:45:06
  Corie: But any kind of thing with bam bam and fling and so I mean he's our minds get loose and I say so.
• 1:45:11
  Corie: I hear it and hear it and hear it, and the song just gets better and better.
• 1:45:13
  Corie: And I say when I hear Terry Lions, it's terry.
• 1:45:16
  Corie: But again, it's so funny because it's like what people know you're from.
• 1:45:20
  Corie: It's like how you say Oslin.
• 1:45:22
  Corie: I remember saying that to somebody, and they say who Calypsonian Terry Lyons.
• 1:45:25
  Corie: I was like, Terry, in everything, in everything, so it's almost like it's thing.
• 1:45:30
  Corie: So competition and thing this year.
• 1:45:32
  Corie: You in it?
• 1:45:33
  SPEAKER_01: I'm in it, I'm in it.
• 1:45:34
  SPEAKER_01: This year I'm in um um dynasty, which everybody knows as Tuco Tent.
• 1:45:38
  Corie: Right, it's not in um in Rosie wrong place.
• 1:45:41
  Corie: I was calling me for in commitment.
• 1:45:42
  Corie: It's in Radisson.
• 1:45:43
  SPEAKER_01: No, it's not in Queensall, it's in Radisson.
• 1:45:46
  Corie: It's in Radison.
• 1:45:47
  Corie: Now come in your open night to see if you're gonna be.
• 1:45:53
  SPEAKER_01: All right, good, all right.
• 1:45:54
  Corie: Just check it, just check it.
• 1:45:55
  SPEAKER_01: But in in Dynasty, yes, I'm in Dynasty this year for 2026.
• 1:45:59
  Corie: And going straight through competition.
• 1:46:01
  SPEAKER_01: Going straight through competition, going to audition for the um for Skinner Park and for the big yard.
• 1:46:08
  SPEAKER_01: Um auditions, I think, is the 25th.
• 1:46:11
  SPEAKER_01: In the in the tent itself.
• 1:46:13
  SPEAKER_01: Right, good.
• 1:46:14
  SPEAKER_01: Because the judges come to the tent beautiful.
• 1:46:17
  Corie: Still enjoying that, still enjoying the competition on yeah, still enjoying the competition, you know.
• 1:46:21
  SPEAKER_01: There's the drive there, and that's that's the show, you know.
• 1:46:24
  SPEAKER_01: That's skinner park.
• 1:46:25
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, other than the competition, there's the stage you want to be on to test your calyp, so you know.
• 1:46:30
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I still pray not to see no kind of white, no kind of toilet paper.
• 1:46:36
  Corie: You get toilet paper, never get toilet paper, but that don't mean you're not.
• 1:46:41
  Corie: Let me be realistic.
• 1:46:42
  Corie: But that tune, what?
• 1:46:44
  Corie: This tune, Bill for skin up.
• 1:46:46
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but I just said people say, even if I see somebody like Jersey, I don't think not going to happen.
• 1:46:55
  Corie: Not going to happen.
• 1:46:56
  Corie: Big song.
• 1:46:57
  Corie: Best of luck with it.
• 1:46:58
  Corie: I hope I hope it does well.
• 1:46:59
  Corie: I think the song the message in the song, I mean, uh blown away when you say you just hum all them horns because the horns is a special parts of the song too.
• 1:47:07
  Corie: Yeah, like the production and the song fit so well together, you know.
• 1:47:10
  Corie: I mean, that's and we need we need more things like that.
• 1:47:12
  SPEAKER_01: Because I believe every instrument is like a meaning.
• 1:47:16
  SPEAKER_01: Um, as I say, I grew up in the times where if a bass man had to play something on a song, he can go just play wild and crazy.
• 1:47:22
  SPEAKER_01: He's looking for the pockets, what frequency fits, if that complement the guitar, and then you'll be like, Well, the guitar already playing that.
• 1:47:30
  SPEAKER_01: Plenty of these intricate things they will think of.
• 1:47:33
  SPEAKER_01: Of course.
• 1:47:34
  SPEAKER_01: You understand?
• 1:47:34
  SPEAKER_01: If they play something, you'll be like, Yeah, that's song good.
• 1:47:36
  SPEAKER_01: And you'll be like, No, that clashing with the horns.
• 1:47:39
  SPEAKER_01: These are the things that you know, so uh that is, and that is why I like to sit down with producers when they're doing things with my song, especially the calipso.
• 1:47:47
  Corie: Yeah, yeah, of course, of course.
• 1:47:48
  Corie: And you you're right in that the songs now made up in so much different compartments.
• 1:47:54
  Corie: Baseball they get song.
• 1:47:55
  Corie: Some of them things that you're talking about do exist.
• 1:47:57
  Corie: I'm not a fact.
• 1:47:58
  Corie: The baseman never heard the song when he plays bass, if she played a bass, you know what I mean?
• 1:48:01
  Corie: Song done right after the time.
• 1:48:03
  Corie: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:48:04
  Corie: But David, we had to figure out this one guest that we had to figure out when she's coming back today.
• 1:48:09
  Corie: Today, today, today.
• 1:48:10
  Corie: I feel like let me check notes and thing, yeah.
• 1:48:12
  Corie: Because I feel like it's that thing.
• 1:48:13
  Corie: What's what it happened that we didn't talk about here?
• 1:48:17
  SPEAKER_01: Carol thing we could talk about.
• 1:48:19
  Corie: I know, but it's our one thing on this list.
• 1:48:20
  Corie: I wonder how.
• 1:48:21
  Corie: So I've got time for it.
• 1:48:22
  unknown: Do it.
• 1:48:23
  Corie: Ask your man.
• 1:48:24
  Corie: Yeah, the reaction to it was the he it was huge in Skinner Park and then thing.
• 1:48:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it was using Skinner Park, even though I didn't get to sing it.
• 1:48:31
  SPEAKER_01: Because they give my mic with dead back.
• 1:48:34
  Corie: Oh, yeah.
• 1:48:35
  Corie: I remember that your open with dead.
• 1:48:37
  Corie: It was it starts off.
• 1:48:38
  Corie: I remember, I remember.
• 1:48:39
  SPEAKER_01: But you overcome the stand up one place and think it thank God the crowd supposedly and they were singing.
• 1:48:45
  Corie: And they send it through, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:48:47
  SPEAKER_01: Sing long this artist, sing.
• 1:48:48
  SPEAKER_01: The only, the only everybody was saying, so why didn't stop and start over?
• 1:48:52
  SPEAKER_01: The only person that can stop you is the judges.
• 1:48:54
  Corie: Oh, I see.
• 1:48:55
  Corie: They stop and start over.
• 1:48:56
  SPEAKER_01: If they stop and say, hey, start over, then I see they will start judging you from the a fresh judge.
• 1:49:04
  SPEAKER_01: But if I the judge stop and be like, hey, hey, hey, hey, I need a mic and so forth on my own, yeah.
• 1:49:10
  Corie: Oh, I can let you forget yourself.
• 1:49:11
  SPEAKER_01: You have to sing through whether they hear and and they realize it wasn't a fault of my own, and I still body it through, I still perform like if the mic was okay, even though it freaked up my voice.
• 1:49:23
  Corie: Oh god, yeah, you had a go-go.
• 1:49:25
  Corie: I see.
• 1:49:25
  Corie: Well, this is the theme of this whole interview, you go figure it out.
• 1:49:28
  Corie: We learned that today.
• 1:49:29
  SPEAKER_01: So, but it was it was it was good, axioman.
• 1:49:32
  Corie: Yeah, great, great, great.
• 1:49:33
  Corie: But and I know your respect for the greats and the people who come before and saying, Chuck, that's say he used your tune as an example.
• 1:49:39
  Corie: He said, Boy, uh out of all the tune he says, he say, man, then there's a more axioman.
• 1:49:44
  SPEAKER_01: But I don't know what he happened by some big up to Chuck.
• 1:49:47
  SPEAKER_01: That's yeah, of course, contributed a lot to and now.
• 1:49:50
  SPEAKER_01: A lot of people, when I put that video, it's like, oh gosh, see the man also worn with them.
• 1:49:54
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not worried with no icon because at the end of the day, when I go to schools to talk to them about Calypso, I just still mention his name.
• 1:50:01
  SPEAKER_01: That has nothing to do with anything else.
• 1:50:03
  SPEAKER_01: He has contributed a great amount, he has taught great things, he knows the knowledge and stuff and things out that I'm not going to take that away from him.
• 1:50:11
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 1:50:11
  SPEAKER_01: You understand?
• 1:50:13
  SPEAKER_01: All I just want him to do is popular.
• 1:50:17
  SPEAKER_02: If it wasn't with me, God it was over me.
• 1:50:23
  Corie: I don't understand.
• 1:50:24
  Corie: Like, you know what I mean?
• 1:50:26
  Corie: I feel his love.
• 1:50:26
  Corie: I feel his love.
• 1:50:31
  Corie: And I said, Oh Lord, oh Lord, I'm very nervous.
• 1:50:35
  Corie: So you take it in stride.
• 1:50:36
  Corie: I was just waiting.
• 1:50:38
  SPEAKER_01: People have to know I am not the typical, as you will call Californians, that was take things at heart.
• 1:50:44
  SPEAKER_01: I don't do them things.
• 1:50:46
  SPEAKER_01: Why he said he don't like my song.
• 1:50:48
  SPEAKER_01: I sang um house cleaning.
• 1:50:51
  SPEAKER_01: The song was just about, you know, hey.
• 1:50:54
  SPEAKER_01: If there's a pedophile in we in we in the community, we're going to get him.
• 1:50:58
  SPEAKER_01: He might get a few cuttings, and we call him police.
• 1:51:02
  SPEAKER_01: You understand me?
• 1:51:03
  SPEAKER_01: Because a restraining order can act faster than our community.
• 1:51:06
  SPEAKER_01: Let me be real.
• 1:51:08
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 1:51:08
  SPEAKER_01: Of course.
• 1:51:09
  SPEAKER_01: And on I-95, um, my name Dale and um Tony.
• 1:51:12
  SPEAKER_01: Tony, they find I was preaching vigilante and they find it was violent.
• 1:51:17
  SPEAKER_01: But I don't get vexed for that because it raised conversations.
• 1:51:22
  SPEAKER_01: You understand me?
• 1:51:23
  SPEAKER_01: They actually helped the song get more hood.
• 1:51:26
  Corie: Of course, yeah, it's beautiful.
• 1:51:27
  Corie: It's beautiful.
• 1:51:28
  SPEAKER_01: So I was so when people was calling me, girl, I think Delantoni said they like the song, and you wanted them.
• 1:51:33
  SPEAKER_01: I said, No, no, no, no, no.
• 1:51:35
  SPEAKER_01: Leave them, leave it.
• 1:51:37
  Corie: That's the same person calling might have never heard this song if it was for them.
• 1:51:39
  Corie: Thank you.
• 1:51:40
  Corie: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:51:40
  SPEAKER_01: It brings conversation, you understand me?
• 1:51:43
  SPEAKER_01: And I don't expect everybody to like everything that I sing.
• 1:51:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that will be impossible.
• 1:51:48
  Corie: And that's that you know, in a sense, that's as much as he said where you say to me that you know I mean, that's that's part of it.
• 1:51:54
  Corie: You know what I mean?
• 1:51:55
  Corie: A song is our starting point.
• 1:51:56
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
• 1:51:57
  SPEAKER_01: It is, and everybody has their ways, you know.
• 1:51:59
  SPEAKER_01: Chuck Dust, we know Chuck Dust is about the the elements of life in Calypso.
• 1:52:05
  SPEAKER_01: He does sing more structured songs, more, you know, politics.
• 1:52:10
  SPEAKER_01: He likes the issues, and to him, the issues is is the is what's going on in the papers, what's going on in our government and and and stuff, because and that is part of it.
• 1:52:21
  SPEAKER_01: That is part of Calypso.
• 1:52:22
  SPEAKER_01: As I say, Calypso is the people's newspaper, and you're supposed to be the voice of the people because you are able to have a mic, so you are here the loudest, so you speak in on behalf of the people, right?
• 1:52:34
  SPEAKER_01: But then calypso is also about humor, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:52:38
  Corie: Yeah, that listen, that missing pecong.
• 1:52:41
  Corie: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:52:42
  SPEAKER_01: People afraid to do pecong now, you understand?
• 1:52:44
  SPEAKER_01: I get my name in Calypso too for Pekong for for competition in Monster Art.
• 1:52:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, Kareem put my name and she's going and win Terry Lions or we then our next one put my name and say, But whatever with this one, it's beautiful.
• 1:52:58
  SPEAKER_01: But I what I just want to know is this if all you're willing.
• 1:53:03
  SPEAKER_01: Once you open up that gates for me, I will in there.
• 1:53:06
  Corie: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:53:07
  SPEAKER_01: I like them things because that is why of course, of course, of course.
• 1:53:11
  SPEAKER_01: I like them become things, but that is what Calypso is.
• 1:53:14
  SPEAKER_01: But I know plenty Calypsoans do not have the belly and the stomach for that.
• 1:53:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, in the name in our song.
• 1:53:19
  SPEAKER_01: But why should come I never?
• 1:53:20
  SPEAKER_01: And then no, all you have to do is just go man pen.
• 1:53:23
  Corie: Yeah, come back again.
• 1:53:24
  Corie: Well, that may be the hard part.
• 1:53:25
  Corie: Go man pen.
• 1:53:26
  Corie: Not everybody could go man pen and home out online, like you know, TV.
• 1:53:29
  Corie: You're talking about things like impossible to do.
• 1:53:32
  Corie: But listen, thank you, Brett.
• 1:53:33
  Corie: Today was a great day.
• 1:53:34
  Corie: I appreciate it.
• 1:53:35
  Corie: I want to know if you're gonna sing the pick thing with Stalin wife, but we're gonna wait and find out.
• 1:53:39
  SPEAKER_01: But that was no, no, no, that was given to another.
• 1:53:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:53:43
  SPEAKER_01: If it was two songs, yeah, you're gonna take it.
• 1:53:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it makes sense.
• 1:53:47
  SPEAKER_01: So I'd have blessings and I don't know how to have that.
• 1:53:49
  Corie: But blessings go do the work.
• 1:53:50
  Corie: Blessings go do the work.
• 1:53:51
  Corie: Blessing will do.
• 1:53:56
  Corie: Thank you very much.
• 1:53:57
  Corie: It was a pleasure having me here.
• 1:53:59
  Corie: Thank you very much.
• 1:54:00
  Corie: Very, very, very much.