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High-Brow Olympian guns down star female Equestrienne...Do Bitter 911 calls reveal motive? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace in the backyard. A Washington
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  Speaker 1: Township police officer screams over the radio after responding to
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  Speaker 1: a call at Hawthorne Farm, an equestrian property and home
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  Speaker 1: in Long Valley, New Jersey. The wounded victim, thirty eight
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  Speaker 1: year old Lauren Canoract, bleeding and nearly unconscious. The alleged
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  Speaker 1: shooter property and Canaracts landlord. A criminal complaint states Canorac
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  Speaker 1: and Barrisone had an ongoing landlord tenant dispute leading up
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  Speaker 1: to the shooting. Quote Michael Barrisone shot me. He shot
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  Speaker 1: me twice, she told police. When they arrived at the scene,
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  Speaker 1: they discovered Canaract's fiance and Barrisone on the ground wrestling
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  Speaker 1: for the gun. According to the complaint, when police took
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  Speaker 1: Barrisone into custody at the scene, he reportedly stated multiple times,
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  Speaker 1: I had a good life. You know, it's very rare.
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  Speaker 1: You hear of fatal shootings amongst Olympians now every once
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  Speaker 1: in a while, you hear about doping or drugging, and
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  Speaker 1: it tanks the entire the entire arena. But when you
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  Speaker 1: hear of cold blooded shootouts between equestrians and well respected Olympians.
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  Speaker 1: I mean it, see Grace, this is crime Stories. You
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  Speaker 1: were just hearing our friend at CBS two. That was
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  Speaker 1: Valerie Castro, an equestrian at the top of the game,
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  Speaker 1: shot by an Olympian. Joining you right now an all
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  Speaker 1: star panel first with me Stephen Corby, expert in safe sport,
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  Speaker 1: Dianna Corby, grssage trainer expert, doctor Bethany Marshall's psycho alas
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  Speaker 1: out of La John Cardillo, former NYPD joice Scott Morgan,
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  Speaker 1: Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet.
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  Speaker 1: Judge and trial lawyer Ashley Wilcote at Ashley Wilcott dot com.
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  Speaker 1: You know, first you doctor Bethany Marshall. You know when
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  Speaker 1: you think of Olympians, you think of the elite. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I will never forget. I guess his name was Mark Spitz,
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  Speaker 1: and he was an Olympian and he would pose in
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  Speaker 1: his swimsuit with about ten gold medals around his neck.
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  Speaker 1: Then there came Bruce Jenner to Kathalon Olympian winner. I
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  Speaker 1: mean it goes on and on. My son talks about
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  Speaker 1: Usain Bolt all the time. Michael Phelps, we look up
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  Speaker 1: to them, because they epitomize or did epitomize clean living,
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  Speaker 1: devoting themselves to something and hanging in there, finding adversity
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  Speaker 1: until they win the gold to represent our country. When
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  Speaker 1: I hear that one olympian shoots down another equestrian, that
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  Speaker 1: that doesn't that goes against everything we think we know,
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  Speaker 1: doctor Beth Fancy, when you look at these individuals, the
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  Speaker 1: more sophistication, money, wealth, training, gifts and capacities and privileges
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  Speaker 1: in society that a person has, the more they can
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  Speaker 1: use these privileges to hide a very messy pathological interior.
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  Speaker 1: So look at that one astronaut. Do you remember she
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  Speaker 1: went all the way into space. Then she was a
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  Speaker 1: part of a love triangle. She ended up putting on
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  Speaker 1: a pair of diapers driving right. I was just about
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  Speaker 1: to say, is that the woman in the middle of
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  Speaker 1: a love triangle that went after her love rival and
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  Speaker 1: actually drove to the night wearing a pair of adult diapers.
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  Speaker 1: Her name will forever be connected to adult diapers. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: but in this case, you know, you really hit on something.
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  Speaker 1: To Dave Matt Crime online dot Com investigative reporter money,
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  Speaker 1: this is a former equestrian olympian on the grounds of
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  Speaker 1: his ritzy fifty three acre sprawl. Now I don't get it. Barrisone,
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  Speaker 1: a member of the Beijing Summer Games, allegedly guns down
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  Speaker 1: a female equestrian, shooting her twice in the chest in
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  Speaker 1: playing daylight in the afternoon at Hawthorne Farm. That's in
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  Speaker 1: a rural Morris County where there's nothing but I mean
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  Speaker 1: stinking rich people with huge, huge estates. What happened, Dave
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  Speaker 1: mac How did one equestrian go after the other one?
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  Speaker 1: The way it came out in Nancy, in the way
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  Speaker 1: that this is being played out is it was a
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  Speaker 1: landlord tenant dispute. Barrisone, as you mentioned, he owns that
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  Speaker 1: horse farm, this fifty three acre very expensive ritzy equestrian outlet,
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  Speaker 1: and Lauren Canteract and her fiance Rob Goodwin, we're living
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  Speaker 1: on the property while training and raising some horses there
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  Speaker 1: on the farm in association with Michael Barrisone. They had
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  Speaker 1: a conflict. They had a battle over whether or not
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  Speaker 1: Lauren and her fiance could remain at that property. Barrisone
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  Speaker 1: wanted them off of his property. Counteract said no, I
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  Speaker 1: have a right to be here, and that's where the
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  Speaker 1: conflict began. And that's how we ended up in this
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  Speaker 1: horrible mess. Take listen to our friend Tara Jquit CBS two.
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  Speaker 1: Washington Township Police responding to a call at this home
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  Speaker 1: Wednesday around two pm. That's where they found thirty eight
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  Speaker 1: year old Lauren Canteract bleeding and losing consciousness. We have
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  Speaker 1: one not shot. That shooter was identified by Canteract herself.
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  Speaker 1: The criminal complaints states she said, quote Michael Barrosone shot me.
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  Speaker 1: He shot me twice. Police confirm it's former US Olympian
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  Speaker 1: Michael Barrisone. The fifty four year old who traveled with
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  Speaker 1: Team USA to Beijing to compete in dressage, was also
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  Speaker 1: Canoract's landlord. Canteract, an award winning equestrian, herself, was reportedly
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  Speaker 1: living on Barzone's property here at Hawthorne Farm with her fiance,
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  Speaker 1: and there was an ongoing landlord tenant dispute. Gissage A
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  Speaker 1: lot of people may not be familiar with it. Gissage
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  Speaker 1: is an Olympic sport. It really got going in the
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  Speaker 1: Games in Stockholm all the way back in the early
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  Speaker 1: nineteen hundreds and it is when the rider, the equestrian
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  Speaker 1: performs a very intricate series of very precise horseback maneuvers,
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  Speaker 1: and the riders are scord on a scale of z.
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  Speaker 1: He rode to ten by a panel of international judges.
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  Speaker 1: Now with me right now, a dressage trainer, an expert.
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  Speaker 1: Her name is Dianna Corby. Okay, Dianna, don't laugh. But
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  Speaker 1: all I can think about is when I was on
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  Speaker 1: Dancing with the Stars and my partner, an irishman Tristan mcmadus,
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  Speaker 1: wanted to do every time. Tristan loved to do intricate
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  Speaker 1: dance steps and you know, turning your toes this way
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  Speaker 1: in that way and whirling around, and he was really
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  Speaker 1: good at it. I, however, was not as good at it.
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  Speaker 1: But I can't imagine it was hard enough for me
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  Speaker 1: to do that much less get a horse to Just
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  Speaker 1: having a really bad flashback of what what was that dance? Oh?
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  Speaker 1: The quick step? Oh gosh? Oh man, Okay, now go ahead,
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  Speaker 1: explain to me dressage. How did it happen? And why
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  Speaker 1: do we call it dressage? It looks like dressage, but
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  Speaker 1: we call it dressage. Yeah. So dressage is a French
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  Speaker 1: word that means training, and it was started. It originated
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  Speaker 1: a long time ago when horses were used in battle
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  Speaker 1: and that's how the discipline of dressage came about. We
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  Speaker 1: obviously no longer use horses in battle, but the movements
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  Speaker 1: that were used in defense and warfare are still are
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  Speaker 1: used now today in the Olympic Games. So it is
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  Speaker 1: similar to the dance that you're referring to, except now
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  Speaker 1: we have a thousand pound animal that doesn't speak English
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  Speaker 1: that you're trying to communicate with through the most subtle aids,
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  Speaker 1: using your body language, your weight, and trying to do
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  Speaker 1: a pattern that is judged by different judges around the
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  Speaker 1: arena and can be seen of course in the Olympics
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  Speaker 1: today crime stories with Nancy Grace. Because of this, I've
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  Speaker 1: been looking at videos of dressage and I grew up
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  Speaker 1: in a very very rural area in Middle Georgia and
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  Speaker 1: we were around cows and horses and all sorts of animals.
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  Speaker 1: And when you say a thousand pound animal trying to
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  Speaker 1: get it to do these intricate it's like the horse
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  Speaker 1: is doing intricate dance steps and it's amazing. You know
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  Speaker 1: what else hits me to Ashley Wilcott, judge trial lawyer.
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  Speaker 1: You can find her at Ashley Wilcott dot com. This
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  Speaker 1: guy Michael Barrisone was named the Sportsman International Horseman of
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  Speaker 1: the Year and has trained many many Olympians and he
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  Speaker 1: operates the Barrison Dressage training Facility on a long valley farm,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and it's just eleven miles from the US
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  Speaker 1: Equestrian team's headquarters in Gladstone. Now it's very rarefied equestrian
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  Speaker 1: much less this dressage. Have you noticed, Ashley, the more
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  Speaker 1: rarefied and the richer. And I hate to say it
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  Speaker 1: because I push education on my children constantly. The smarter
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  Speaker 1: people get the sneakier they are, and it seems like
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  Speaker 1: they don't really have enough to do, and they sit
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  Speaker 1: around and think about murdering each other. Now I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: have to pull on a shrink on that. But help
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  Speaker 1: me out, Ashley. This is a crazy case. So first
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  Speaker 1: of all, you're right, the equestrian world is so is
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  Speaker 1: an expensive sport, right, It is a very expensive story.
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  Speaker 1: There you go. You just hit the nail on the head.
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  Speaker 1: That is why it's so elite and rarefied. It's the
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  Speaker 1: only world I can really think to describe it because
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  Speaker 1: nobody else can afford it. I mean I can as
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  Speaker 1: a team, I can afford a pair of beebops, because
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  Speaker 1: that's all I had to buy, you know, the blue
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  Speaker 1: and white satellocks for to be a cheerleader. Okay, that's
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  Speaker 1: all I had to buy. The school bought the uniform
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  Speaker 1: and the pom poms. But equestrian, that's thousands and thousands.
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  Speaker 1: Deanna Corby, how much would it take for a little girl,
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  Speaker 1: let's just say eleven to get outfitted in board a
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  Speaker 1: horse and learn equestrian A lot of money. Um, if
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  Speaker 1: you want the breakdown, you know, Um, let's see at
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  Speaker 1: my facility. Board is eight hundred and fifty dollars a
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  Speaker 1: month and I was just gagging go ahead, and then, um,
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  Speaker 1: training depends on depending on how much I'm sorry that
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  Speaker 1: choked me up so much to go ahead training? Then
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  Speaker 1: what happens? Yeah, training, depending on how much you want,
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  Speaker 1: you could be looking at another eight hundred dollars a
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  Speaker 1: month or so, and um, you know, boots three hundred
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  Speaker 1: dollars for the rider saddle, as much as five thousand
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  Speaker 1: dollars for what what what? Wait? Wait, what costs five
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  Speaker 1: thousand dollars the saddle, the saddle, the saddle alone. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Ashley, you hit the nail on the hand
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  Speaker 1: it's all money. It is all money. And let me
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  Speaker 1: just I'm sorry, Nancy. I have to say this, as
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  Speaker 1: you and I both know. Listen, just because you have
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  Speaker 1: money and expertise, super smart doesn't mean you can't be
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  Speaker 1: a criminal or do something that you shouldn't. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: this man, for God's sake, shot someone over a landlord
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  Speaker 1: tenant dispute. How many people in America have landlord tenant disputes.
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  Speaker 1: I think it was more than shoot each other. I
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  Speaker 1: think it was more than that. There has to be
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  Speaker 1: more to this than over rent or her moving out
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  Speaker 1: of their ritzy compound. Joining me right now for an
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  Speaker 1: NYPD John Cardillo, John, I don't believe this is just
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  Speaker 1: over lay in lord tennant, you know, just blastome lady
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  Speaker 1: h much less some ritzy equestrian, high brow woman. No
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  Speaker 1: over no, no, no, just the rent. I'm not buying that.
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  Speaker 1: I think there's more to it. You've seen some of
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  Speaker 1: the homicides way and John, Yeah, I tend to agree
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  Speaker 1: with you, Nancy, And I'll look at this, uh in
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  Speaker 1: a dual fashion. I actually own horses myself. I ride
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  Speaker 1: quite a bit. There's a lot of drama out at
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  Speaker 1: the barn. People get very upset over the littlest things.
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  Speaker 1: Oh wait a minute, that sounds like an episode of
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  Speaker 1: something drama out of the barn. Go ahead, corbies will
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  Speaker 1: tell you though. I mean the one one girl puts
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  Speaker 1: her horse in a pasture with someone else's and the
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  Speaker 1: horses kick each other. There's a little cut. My god,
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  Speaker 1: you would think they ran over each other's kids. It's
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  Speaker 1: it's there's a lot of drama. So I tend to agree.
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  Speaker 1: But everybody on the call is correct, from the corby's
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  Speaker 1: to the doctors. It doesn't your net, Earth doesn't matter.
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  Speaker 1: Look at Jeff Epstein, right, Your network doesn't matter as
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  Speaker 1: to whether or not you can be a heinous criminal.
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  Speaker 1: But I do think this was over more than Hey,
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  Speaker 1: I no longer want you to train here. And as
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  Speaker 1: I read the history, in the fact pattern of the case,
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  Speaker 1: we had these allegations. Now that in itself deserves an investigate.
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  Speaker 1: What allegations The allegations that the victim made it against
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  Speaker 1: barisone that he had abuse, sexually molested his children, things
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  Speaker 1: of that nature. Okay, stop everything, stop everything. Cardillo has
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  Speaker 1: just struck a nerve. You just cut the chase, right,
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  Speaker 1: Dave mac Hello Crime Online emphasis investigative reporter. Investigate, you investigate,
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  Speaker 1: then you report I didn't hear anything about claims of
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  Speaker 1: sex abuse. Why did I get that from John Cardillo,
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  Speaker 1: Dave mac investigate reporter. The reason you got that from
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  Speaker 1: John and not me is because when this was discussed
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  Speaker 1: at his bail hearing, Okay, when Barrosone was in court,
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  Speaker 1: it was all about a tenant landlord issue. That was
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  Speaker 1: their argument. However, in the week before this shooting occurred Nancy,
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  Speaker 1: there were six calls by police to the farm. Lauren
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  Speaker 1: Canteract had made a number of complaints against Barrosone as
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  Speaker 1: her landlord, about the condition of the home and that
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  Speaker 1: he was violating codes. But another call was made to
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  Speaker 1: the New Jersey version of Child Protective Services where canteract
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  Speaker 1: And now this is purely us guessing as to what
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  Speaker 1: she said. We know she made a call to Child
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  Speaker 1: Protective Services. We don't know what she alleged, but we
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  Speaker 1: know that about an hour before the shooting occurred, New
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  Speaker 1: Jersey Child Protective Services were in They were there at
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  Speaker 1: the farm interviewing Barrosone about his potential abuse of his
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  Speaker 1: future step children. He's engaged to a woman who has
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  Speaker 1: minor children as soon as New Jersey CPS leaves the property,
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  Speaker 1: he marches out to the house. It's a two story
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  Speaker 1: house in the middle of his property, and he walks
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  Speaker 1: out there and confronts Lauren Counteract and her fiance, Rob Goodwin.
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  Speaker 1: That's what happened. That's what led up to this actual shooting.
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  Speaker 1: So this is not over rent. This is not over
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  Speaker 1: rent at all. I knew it. I knew it, and
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  Speaker 1: I knew it. Hold on, guys, I'm being joined right
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  Speaker 1: now by Stephen Corby, right now, lawyer in an niche area,
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  Speaker 1: an expert in safe sport. Stephen Corby, you know, at
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  Speaker 1: first blush people may think, well, he had a weapon
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  Speaker 1: in his barn for some reason and it went off.
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  Speaker 1: That's not what happened at all. But I'm want your
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  Speaker 1: opinion on what went down and way in on how
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  Speaker 1: this relates to safe sports. Stephen Corby, Well, I think
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  Speaker 1: it's important, Nancy to look at the timeline of events
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  Speaker 1: that occurred and bleeding up to the shooting. So right before,
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  Speaker 1: only a few days before the shooting occurred. Another Olympian
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  Speaker 1: was banned permanently by safe Sport, George Morris, who was
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  Speaker 1: given a lifetime band due to allegations of sexual assault
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  Speaker 1: on miners, and the victim in this case had made
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  Speaker 1: comments on Facebook that she was interested or maybe even
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  Speaker 1: had contacted Safe Sport to tell them about some things
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  Speaker 1: that Barrisone had allegedly done. And so in his mind
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  Speaker 1: he's thinking, well, if I get banned, that's my entire livelihood.
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  Speaker 1: And this other Olympian who's even bigger than I am,
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  Speaker 1: just got banned for life after other allegations of the sort.
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  Speaker 1: So this is only a couple days later. And what
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  Speaker 1: you have to know about Safe Sport Nancy is it
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  Speaker 1: was put in place after everything happened with the horrible
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  Speaker 1: Larry Nasser situation, and it got moved over and it
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  Speaker 1: covers all Olympians and also now covers the entire United
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  Speaker 1: States Equestrian Foundation or Federation, and so its purpose is
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  Speaker 1: mainly to investigate claims of sexual assault of members or
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  Speaker 1: by members in that community and to determine whether or
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  Speaker 1: not they can continue to stay a part of the organization.
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  Speaker 1: And for some of these big guys, if they can't
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  Speaker 1: be a part of the organization anymore, they lose millions,
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  Speaker 1: millions of dollars. I have dedicated my life to crime victims,
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  Speaker 1: to giving a voice to those who can no longer
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  Speaker 1: speak for themselves. And that is why I work with
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• 18:54
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  Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. Doctor Bethany Marshall joining me psychoanalyst out of
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  Speaker 1: la This shooting victim absolutely beautiful. I'm looking at a
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  Speaker 1: photo of her right now. She looks, like she said,
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  Speaker 1: like a cocktail party in a slinky black dress. Just
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  Speaker 1: beautiful and a renowned equestrian. That doesn't happen overnight. Doctor
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  Speaker 1: Bethany didn't just get there overnight, but she walked in
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  Speaker 1: fear at pretty kisteen in the morning, there was like
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  Speaker 1: a very very suspicious looking vehicle that came in to
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  Speaker 1: the driveway going very slowly with a large suv and
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  Speaker 1: it was going very slowly. I st just texted the
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  Speaker 1: bar owner, how are you calling about the sufficial vehicle now? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it just came back. Okay, hold on, we're weapons and
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  Speaker 1: Folter mentioned, um, no, it all happened. Was just blacked
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  Speaker 1: out at suv with like some guys whom looking a
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  Speaker 1: cigarette and the front who had never seen before except
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  Speaker 1: before last night, three fifteen in the morning, and we
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  Speaker 1: overheard them talking about like, uh, sitting guys who like
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  Speaker 1: hurt us, kill us whatever. We hold it to the
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  Speaker 1: officers stefan noon and they know how we have the
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  Speaker 1: SISTAINI and everything. Are you or anyone else in danger
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  Speaker 1: right now? I'm out here again. What are you or
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  Speaker 1: anyone else in danger right now? We feel very much
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  Speaker 1: that he could be. You were just hearing nine one
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  Speaker 1: one and listen to one of her posts. I'm being
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  Speaker 1: bullied by a six foot three inch men bullied to
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  Speaker 1: the point I'm afraid another post. Some people in life
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  Speaker 1: seem to feel they are untouchable by anyone They feel
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  Speaker 1: that just because they have one accomplishment under their belt,
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  Speaker 1: that everyone will believe every word they say. I must
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  Speaker 1: be very careful and take every single legal precaution I can,
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  Speaker 1: as well as employ every resource to rectify this. Everything
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  Speaker 1: from my life, livelihood, and even my writing career have
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  Speaker 1: all been threatened should I refuse to adhere to the
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  Speaker 1: things I've been being put through constantly. Those are some
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  Speaker 1: of her post doctor Bethany. Wow. Wow. You know what
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  Speaker 1: that tells me, Nancy, is that he was obsessed with her.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: He was violating her rights. And we know if somebody,
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: let's look at Harvey Weinstein, if somebody has the kind
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: of personality where they violate the rights of others, where
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: they lack empathy, they relate to others on the basis
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: of power. They want to exploit and take advantage of
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: other people. The more money and the more wealth they have,
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: the more access they have to abusing everybody around them.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: And this, Michael barrisone may have had something that we
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: call obsessional paranoia. That is the belief that somebody's presence
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: here on earth, another person's presence is there to humiliate you,
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: hurt you, harm you in some way, or is making
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: your life worse in some way, and people who have
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: obsessional paranoia become preoccupied with going after the victim to
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: punish them. And you know, Nancy, if she was writing
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: about this on Facebook, she wanted other people to know.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: I mean, she really did feel frightened. It's it's not
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: like she's just saying it to her fiance at night.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: She is putting this out in a public forum so
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: people will know that if something happens to her, it's
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: because of Michael Barrisone. And it's interesting she says he
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: has one accomplishment. She has many accomplishments, so keep using
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: this one accomplishment to have power over her. So note
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: that this is not a rental or tenant dispute. This
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: is somebody who wanted to have power over her and
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: wanted to punish her, and it escalated. Take a listen
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: to our friend at CBS two Tierra Jagway. According to
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: the complaint, when police arrived, they found Canterac's fiance and
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: Barrisone on the ground wrestling for the gun after Barrizone
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: fired shots and missed. Barrozone was taken into custody at
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: the scene and reportedly stayed in multiple Times to police quote,
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: I had a good life. The shooting taking place just
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: days after Lauren Canerac's close friend, confirms the CBS two
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: She posted on her Facebook page quote, I'm being bullied
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: by a six three man, bullied to the point I'm
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: afraid her neighbors. At a loss for words, stuff like
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: that doesn't mean not happen around here. So that's odd,
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: and he's right. Our town has been fortunate that for
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: the last four or five years, we've actually been listed
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: as one of the most these safest towns in the nation,
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: according to the Morris County Prosecutor's Office. Michael barrisone is
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: being evaluated at a local hospital. Actually, Wilcott judge trial
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: lawyer at Scott dot com. Have you noticed how rich
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: and educated people don't think crime can ever enter their neighborhood.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: That's exactly what I was thinking during this. They don't
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: think it can enter their neighborhood. But here's the other
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: half of it. Sometimes those are the very people that
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: think they're beyond the law, that they can get away
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: with it because they have such such a belief that
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: they're right, everybody else is wrong, and they're untouchable, you
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: know too Joseph Scot Morgan joining me, professor of forensics
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: at Jacksonville State University and author of Blood Beneath My
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: Feet on Amazon. Joe Scott, I find these postings to
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: be very probative as to the victim's state of mind
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: at the time she was shot. Now, whether they could
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: come into evidence as a whole other can of worms,
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: that's an evidentiary matter. But I find them very probitive.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: What else jumps out at you as forensic proof in
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: this case, well, obviously the shooting itself, Nancy, is going
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: to give you an idea of the relationship physical relationship
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: between them relative to things like range of fire. The
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: police officer that was calling out on the radio had said,
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: it looks like the subject has sustained two very close
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: range gunshot wounds. But you got to dig a little
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: bit deeper, Nancy, with these statements. This cuts both ways.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: This person is saying she's being bullied, this person is
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: filing claims relative to things like, you know, a city
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: ordinance violations, and she's actually going out there saying this
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: man is a sexual predator. And you know, I gotta
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: tell you, Nancy, it seems as though she's throwing a
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: lot of stuff against the wall relative to this man's
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: life to see what it's going to stick. Uh. Yeah,
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: she's saying that he had one accomplishment. Well, another major
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: accomplishment is he's a businessman. He runs, he runs this facility,
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: and when it comes down to it, these people very
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: well may have been squatting and have been kneeling him
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: all these years or all these months just taking advantage
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: of How okay, so all these months, if they be
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: taking advantage of him, that tess one of your working theories.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: But then when she reports alleged sex abuse on his part,
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: then he suddenly shoots her. Mm. Interesting in keeping with
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: Joff Scott Morgan's working theory, take a listen to Barrison's
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: defense lawyer Jeff Simson fifty four years Mister barros Selman
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: has not had a blemish on his record. We also
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: know him that it is well known within the community.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: He owns the property on which the witched victims or
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: squatters judge we're asked to, We've numerous judges have taken
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: over the property. Why don't you say you characterize him
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: a squat They are judge squatters in the law has
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: a particular connotation different than tenants law the tenants. That's
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: my understuading. It's my understanding. You can correct me from
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: the all. What was the nature of their relationship? He
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: was standing on the property. The relationship was Judge that
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: what they were finished training the horses, they were no
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: longer allowed to stay on the part was that written
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: in name Lisa Quiver sUAS. I don't believe so. But
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: these people have not paid right. When I say squatters, Judge,
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: I mean squatters simply because they were no longer allowed
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: to be on their property pursued to their verbal agreement
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: with mister Garrison. So I'm so glad they said that that.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: That really cleared everything up for me. So they're squatters.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: So he shot her twice in the chest. You know what,
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: I don't think that's how the eviction process is supposed
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: to work. Straight out to Stephen Corby, not only an
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: expert in safe sport but lawyer as well. Stephen Corby,
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: what about it? Yeah, I completely agree with you, Nancy.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: I'm actually a bit surprised that the Defense Council focused
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: so much on that that would justify any of the
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: actions that occurred. In fact, if anything, it just goes
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: further to show that his own client was frustrated at
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: the process because he believes that they are squatters instead
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: of lawful tenants. But you know, the relationship between these
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: parties goes back pretty far. It sounds like the victim
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: had been training horses with barrisone in twenty eighteen as
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: well throughout the whole summer, and had trained at the
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: beginning of this summer as well, and some of these
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: problems it looks like didn't start until the end of
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: June or July. And when you're talking about moving this
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: many horses and you've been at a facility for so long,
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: of course you can't get immediately out. And so even
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: without a contract, I don't see how there wouldn't be
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: a landlord tenant relationship that would require some sort of
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: lawful eviction clime stories with Nancy Grace. Yeah, I own
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: this place via some who have been living on this place.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: And we're told to knocking in the horse barn after
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: nine pm. And they're in the horse barn. They're scumbags
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: and I want them warned. They have chased us out
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: of our house and I need this still with tonight,
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: you were just hearing a series of nine one one
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: calls calls it were brewing before the double shooting went down,
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: to suggest that he shot them because they were squatters.
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: That's not self defense. That is shooting out of anger
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: or revenge. That equals in many cases murder charges when
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: you shoot someone out of anger or revenge. Take a
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: listen to what the prosecutor there in Morris County says
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: Christopher Shellhorn. She's sustained two gunstout wounds to the to
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: the Torso judge, she is receiving excellent medical she even
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: have worst town medical center. As we've come to know
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: through other cases. The second victim RG has returned to
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: the residents. He's continued to care for the horse is
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: that are on the property, has continued to maintain that
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: I guess association with the stables. Certainly there is a
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: real danger to the victims here. The defendant went there
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: on August seven with a particular goal in mind, and
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: that was he could not find resolution through the civil courts,
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: He could not find resolution through the police, and he
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: went there that day with an intention to find resolution
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: by murdering his adversaries. You know, this woman sustains two
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: gunshots to the torso over what Dave Matt Crime online
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporter explain the timeline to me again,
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: where you believe she made a sex abuse claim against
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: the equestrian olympian Michael beerrisone just before the shooting. Well,
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: what we know, Nancy, is that just before the shooting,
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: the New Jersey version of Child Protective Services actually was
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: on the premise is doing a one on one interview
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: with Michael Barrozone. They were there discussing his future step children,
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: the children the minor children of his fiance. After they left,
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: that's when Michael Barrozone grabbed that black and pink gun
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: and went to confront Lauren Canteract and her fiance Rob Goodwin. So,
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: bottom line, how do we prove or disprove this to you?
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany Marshall, psychoanas joining me out of la Doctor Bethany,
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: what do you make of the sequence of the events
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: and now she's fighting for her life in a hospital bed. Well,
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: I think that there are no perfect victims. Obviously they
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: were playing into the situation with Barrozone in some way,
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: but look, only one person pulled a trigger, that is
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: the perpetrator and that tells me that he is the
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: one who have the homicidal thoughts, He is the one
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: who's mostly at fault. It seems like, you know, sometimes
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: people can fight, but they don't really understand completely what
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: they're fighting about. And it seems to me that the
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: three of these three individuals were engaged in some vicious
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: fight that we, as the outsiders, cannot be privy to.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: And the fight may have even been about the horses,
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: like how well the horses were cared for. It could
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: have been about values and ethics, that they felt that
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: they were better horsey people than Barristone was, or they
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: didn't like the way he was taking care of the property,
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: or maybe they became obsessed with the new stepchildren and
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: that he was going to violate them. But there was
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: some colossal war taking place between the three of them
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: over something that we cannot know about. It is not
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: about tenants rights, it is really not, and I don't
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: think it was about the step children. It was probably
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: some ideology. But I think that when they reported him
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: as a possible perpetrator to the stepchildren, they were taking
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: something precious away from him, which was this potential marriage.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: And we know when somebody's already homicidal, they're about to
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: face up with loss, they become even more homicidal. So
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: I think that that was the final precipitating event before
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: he went over and shot her twice in the chest.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: You wanted to kill her, Nancy. He shot her in
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: the in the chest. He aimed to kill, and not
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: once but twice. To Deanna Corby, jassage trainer and expert, Danna,
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: it's hard for regular people like me, like a lot
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: of us, to relate to this world, this elite world
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: of multi millionaires equestrian experts in that culture are the
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: coaches and the trainers like Demi Gods. Well, how do
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: they get away with it? Well, yeah, they kind of
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: are like celebrities. Um. Michael barrisone is a highly accomplished
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: and sought after Olympic level jassage trainer and he actively
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: trains many many students and in indies instructor trainer and
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: student relationships, the relationship becomes really really close because the
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: large amount of time that they're spent together and the
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: trust that's required to work together. So here you are
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: as a student trusting your trainer, spending a ton of
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: time with the trainer. You admire this person, you want
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: to learn from this person, you want to be like
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: this person, and you sort of become jaded in your
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: vision of that person, or you can become jaded in
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: your vision of that person because that person that you're
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: training with is your idol. So it's easy to overlook things.
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: I guess, Stephen Corby, what will happen now, Stephen Corby
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: with me, lawyer and renowned expert in safe sport, Nancy, Yeah,
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: so I agree that I think it's very unlikely to
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: be a landlord tenant issue. I don't think that that's
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: probably what triggered it, and I think your instincts are
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: right there. You know again, I I think this is
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: really about the accusations of child abuse and how it
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: ties in with the safe sport world because of the
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: loss of livelihood and possibly the loss of a significant
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: amount of money. And to your point earlier than you
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: asked Diana, about why people allow these these trainers to
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: really have so much power and why they don't speak
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: up against them, And that's the whole reason safe sport exists.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: It's because people were afraid to make allegations or accusations
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: against persons because then they would be ostracized in their
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: communities and possibly not allowed to train with other famous professionals.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: And so it was this real big fear of silence,
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: and so Safe Sport came along and said, Okay, make
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: your accusations to us. We'll investigate, we'll keep everything quiet,
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: we won't let anyone say anything about the accusers or
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: the victims, and will make an independent termination that won't
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: harm your future career. And that's the reason it's really
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: been put into places to help make people feel safe
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: in making these accusations. Fortunately, it didn't seem to make
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: the victim, Lauren here in the situation safe. Dave Mack,
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: this guy now sitting behind bars, a US equestrian olympian,
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: after you know, pounding this woman with at least two
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: gunshot ones to the Torso. I think it was about money.
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: I think it was about the alleged sex allegations. But
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: I think more than that, I really believe it's about
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: status and reputation and the way he perceives he's viewed
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: in this rarefied equestrian community. I think that's what he
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: didn't want. He didn't want to be embarrassed by her
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: and her claims. I think that was the motive. I
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: think you're absolutely right. See, Lauren had been around Barrizone
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: for a long time and apparently there were no complaints.
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: Then all of a sudden, all of a sudden, in
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: the last couple of months, one complaint after another. It
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: was just throwing. It was like throwing complaints against a wall.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfolds. Financy Grace Crime Stories, signing off,
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: goodbye friend,