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Instant Reaction: Tigs Head Home Tied 1-1 · Tiger Territory: A Detroit Tigers Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Another episode of I get heard out here. Okay, I'm
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  Speaker 1: here sectly with me as always as a man that
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  Speaker 1: not even the government could shut down.
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  Speaker 2: Keys, Cody Staveneggen, How you doing.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, I'm doing all right? What do we make of
• 0:22
  Speaker 3: that one? What only make of uh?
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  Speaker 4: I guess just the time of year, it's more likely
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  Speaker 4: to overreact to wins and to losses.
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  Speaker 3: And now it's like you felt so good. You felt so.
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  Speaker 4: Good about twenty four hours ago. You had a game
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  Speaker 4: one win, you had your ace going. There was a
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  Speaker 4: real chance you could go up too. Oh, that wasn't
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  Speaker 4: a guarantee. The Mariners a good team. They've been in
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  Speaker 4: schoobl three times now this season. But it was another game.
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  Speaker 4: Schoobol was pretty good, right, two home run swings was
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  Speaker 4: was all? The only thing that blemished him. Your offense
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  Speaker 4: once again wasn't really there wasn't really there for you,
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  Speaker 4: only three hits all night. You go back to Detroit
• 1:02
  Speaker 4: with the series tiede The good news is if there's
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  Speaker 4: a decisive game five back here in Seattle.
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  Speaker 3: You're gonna have Scoobe on the mound, but.
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  Speaker 4: Mys Flairty against a really good offense, you're gonna have
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  Speaker 4: to be able to take one more of those games.
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  Speaker 4: So the emotional roller coaster that has been the last
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  Speaker 4: three weeks, the last month, the last six weeks, the
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  Speaker 4: whole twenty twenty five season, it continues.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, like look, dude, three game series you
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  Speaker 1: microanalyze every every every single little thing. Five game series,
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  Speaker 1: you microanalyze every single thing, so like, you know, there
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  Speaker 1: is a little bit of room for air.
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  Speaker 2: I think it was Scott.
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  Speaker 1: Bentley who put this on on on X and if
• 1:42
  Speaker 1: I get this wrong, I apologize, but he was basically
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  Speaker 1: like you you go to you know, you was split
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  Speaker 1: the first two, so now you have to win two
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  Speaker 1: of three. Two of them are at home and the
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  Speaker 1: fifth one on the road is schooble screw. And that's
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  Speaker 1: like that's a little bit of a.
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  Speaker 2: You know, message there, like, obviously it's not gonna be easy.
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  Speaker 1: Obviously the concerns are real, but in terms of everything
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  Speaker 1: that you have in front of you, like that that
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  Speaker 1: still exists. And and when it comes to today's game,
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  Speaker 1: like even though the score was the same, just flipped
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  Speaker 1: and sort of like the beats in several ways were
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  Speaker 1: the same, but obviously result flip, there were a couple
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  Speaker 1: of things that I noticed that we're separate from game one.
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  Speaker 1: Number one, you know, you have all this excitement for
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  Speaker 1: game one in Seattle. You know that, you know, obviously
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  Speaker 1: their first game of the postseason, and they have a
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  Speaker 1: lot riding on and emotionally, you think about the Lions
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  Speaker 1: a couple of years ago at Ford Field against the
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  Speaker 1: Rams and all those kind of emotions, and the crowd
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  Speaker 1: was awesome.
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  Speaker 3: This atmosphere's bonkers. Yeah, this place gets wild.
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  Speaker 1: And that's a you know, it's a credit to the
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  Speaker 1: baseball town of Seattle. But you were also kind of
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  Speaker 1: able to take a little bit energy out of the
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  Speaker 1: game early to where it didn't overwhelm you the uh
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  Speaker 1: you know as the game were on that that was
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  Speaker 1: not the case tonight. The no hits until the fifth inning,
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  Speaker 1: Like that's that's how you kind of keep that crowd
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  Speaker 1: energy up, up, up up up, and then you have
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  Speaker 1: to overcome it later.
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  Speaker 2: So that was the key difference. UH.
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  Speaker 1: Number two, specific to today, I I wasn't in love with
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  Speaker 1: the pitch selection at the plate by the Tigers. And
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  Speaker 1: there's a specific example I want to bring up. So
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  Speaker 1: in that uh, in that eighth inning when Torglsen ties
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  Speaker 1: the game, and obviously that was a great advite by Torglesen,
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  Speaker 1: and you still have one out with a guy on second,
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  Speaker 1: so you have the like, you know, the miners' score position, right,
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  Speaker 1: Paris strikes out looking okay. But Dingler, Dingler has gets
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  Speaker 1: a slider. This you know, brash throws like what sixty
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  Speaker 1: percent sliders. Dingler has a slider and it's a front
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  Speaker 1: door slider, and it's I'm looking at it right now.
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  Speaker 1: It's pretty middle middle, Like it's not middle middle, but
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  Speaker 1: it's pretty middle middle. And then I remember saying I
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  Speaker 1: was watching with my dad. I was like, he's not
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  Speaker 1: getting a slider in the strike zone the rest of
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  Speaker 1: the at bat. And what happens val tip one just
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  Speaker 1: off the plate and then swing and miss at basically
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  Speaker 1: the same location down and low and and and it's
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  Speaker 1: as simple. And there were several examples that I that
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  Speaker 1: I said out loud. I was like, you're not getting
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  Speaker 1: a better pitch than that. It was the first pitch,
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  Speaker 1: second pitch, or even the ones that they missed. I like,
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  Speaker 1: I felt like it was off. So that's not me
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  Speaker 1: trying to say like, oh it's so easy. Yeah, you
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  Speaker 1: just gotta go up there and hack. But in terms
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  Speaker 1: of approach and execution, I thought that was lacking.
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  Speaker 4: And then the third of the game change was Dingler
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  Speaker 4: and Winsol both you know, three pitches each striking out
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  Speaker 4: with Torque on second base.
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  Speaker 3: That was killer. I mean, that was It's I don't
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  Speaker 3: like to be like that.
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  Speaker 4: That can't happen talking about major league baseball players. But
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  Speaker 4: at least foul a couple of pitches off. At least
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  Speaker 4: do something else that was critical moment a momentum killer.
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  Speaker 4: Ye had a chance to take the lead, add one
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  Speaker 4: you didn't do it. Top their lineup coming up, and
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  Speaker 4: sure enough they tack won a run. And uh, you
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  Speaker 4: squandered your best chance of the night to do something.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And another thing is, as I pull up the stats here,
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  Speaker 1: if you look at the production from Seattle, you have
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  Speaker 1: cal Rally with four hits in this series. You have
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  Speaker 1: Julio Rodriguez with four hits in this series, and Jorge
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  Speaker 1: Polanco with three hits in this series, obviously including the
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  Speaker 1: two bombs today, and nobody else has more than one
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  Speaker 1: all right, in this series, Riley Green has two hits
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  Speaker 1: and Labora Torres has two hits.
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  Speaker 2: That's all.
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  Speaker 1: That's your tire offense with more than one base hit.
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  Speaker 1: So you so your core is getting beaten pretty bad here.
• 5:41
  Speaker 1: So that's so those are like kind of like my
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  Speaker 1: three main takeaways from today's game. And uh and we'll
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  Speaker 1: get and we're gonna talk a little bit more about
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  Speaker 1: school bol and and you know, kind of properly contextualizing
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  Speaker 1: what we watched here.
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  Speaker 1: All right, so the line for Terrek schooble seven innings
• 7:03
  Speaker 1: gave up five hits, two runs obviously, the two solo shots,
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  Speaker 1: nine k's and a walk. We have this on the
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  Speaker 1: graphic here if you're watching on YouTube, Like two pitches
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  Speaker 1: short of spectacular, because like it's hard to say spectacular,
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  Speaker 1: but he was pretty effing good and and and he
• 7:21
  Speaker 1: and he certainly pitched better than he had in previous
• 7:24
  Speaker 1: stints against Seattle. He just you know, left a slider.
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  Speaker 1: He just put a slider like over the middle of
• 7:30
  Speaker 1: the plates of Blanco and then had a fastball over
• 7:32
  Speaker 1: the middle of the plate to b Loco again, and
• 7:35
  Speaker 1: those were sure fire home runs each time. Uh, what's
• 7:39
  Speaker 1: the best way to kind of look at our second
• 7:41
  Speaker 1: iteration of Schooble this postseason, especially given like sort of
• 7:47
  Speaker 1: like the elevated like hype going in because he had
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  Speaker 1: the one oh lead. And again, it's not pinning anything
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  Speaker 1: on Schooble, but like just the contextualization.
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  Speaker 4: Of the story, you know, No, I mean, that's the
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  Speaker 4: burden of being the best pitcher in the American League.
• 8:01
  Speaker 4: That's the burden of being Trek Schogle and setting the
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  Speaker 4: bar so high for yourself is there's an expectation of
• 8:08
  Speaker 4: just being absolutely dominant, you know, every time out at
• 8:11
  Speaker 4: talking to Trek after the game, he seemed pretty pleased
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  Speaker 4: with his outing and it.
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  Speaker 3: Was obviously good.
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  Speaker 4: Seven innings, two runs, like you will take that any
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  Speaker 4: single day of the week. But I was a little
• 8:22
  Speaker 4: surprised he was so positive about it. It was a
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  Speaker 4: good line, it was a good performance. I didn't think
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  Speaker 4: it was at all his best. And again, when you're
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  Speaker 4: measured to his best. That's a very high bar to
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  Speaker 4: live up to. But I thought he was nibbling a
• 8:36
  Speaker 4: little more. And I don't know if that was either
• 8:38
  Speaker 4: he didn't have his a command or if he was
• 8:41
  Speaker 4: kind of trying to avoid a mistake to these Mariners hitters.
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  Speaker 4: He was behind in some counts early, and I was
• 8:47
  Speaker 4: a little afraid, like, is a mistake going to come
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  Speaker 4: as a result of this?
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  Speaker 3: And sure enough it did. Both the Homers to Polonco,
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  Speaker 3: he was behind in the count two to oh. I
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  Speaker 3: believe the first time. It's like tried to get back
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  Speaker 3: in the account by stealing a slider.
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  Speaker 4: I guess really hung it got crushed the second time,
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  Speaker 4: got down one oh. I was able to battle back
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  Speaker 4: and get in a full count, but then a sinker
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  Speaker 4: that just wasn't where he wanted it stayed a little middle,
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  Speaker 4: it got crushed. Like the best version of Trek Scoobl
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  Speaker 4: just doesn't get behind very often. It's hard to battle
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  Speaker 4: against him deep in account. You know, he didn't give
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  Speaker 4: up a lot of damage or even a lot of
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  Speaker 4: hard contact. Otherwise, he was just behind in the count
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  Speaker 4: a little more often than I'm used to him seeing,
• 9:34
  Speaker 4: or maybe not quite being as fine with his command
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  Speaker 4: as the very best version of Schoobul. So you know,
• 9:42
  Speaker 4: that's not even to be critical. It's just like, if
• 9:44
  Speaker 4: we're grading this on the scale of zero to the
• 9:48
  Speaker 4: very best version of Erk, I didn't think it was
• 9:50
  Speaker 4: that close to the best version of Terrek is a
• 9:52
  Speaker 4: pretty good version of Terrek.
• 9:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I was trying to pull up the numbers
• 9:57
  Speaker 1: in front of me, So I'm just going based on
• 9:59
  Speaker 1: you know, kind of the talking points of the broadcast.
• 10:01
  Speaker 1: But it did not seem like he was using the
• 10:04
  Speaker 1: change up as much today. Uh And I guess that
• 10:06
  Speaker 1: was sort of like talked about pregame with the announcing team. A. J.
• 10:10
  Speaker 1: Prazinski was, you know, all over that. So so it
• 10:13
  Speaker 1: was Wayne Wright obviously being a former pitcher. Uh So
• 10:16
  Speaker 1: a little bit of a you say, like you know,
• 10:18
  Speaker 1: kind of trying to dot a little bit too much,
• 10:21
  Speaker 1: maybe a little bit of of an over just Monday
• 10:25
  Speaker 1: morning quarterback. And again maybe a little bit of an
• 10:27
  Speaker 1: over adjustment to the lineup to previous results given given
• 10:33
  Speaker 1: that it's Schooble, you know what I mean, And and
• 10:35
  Speaker 1: and and may and look, you're another thing, if you're
• 10:38
  Speaker 1: a genius. If that works, Uh and maybe it's a
• 10:41
  Speaker 1: little you hold yourself to a little bit more of
• 10:43
  Speaker 1: a critique. But again, we're we're splitting hairs here. I
• 10:46
  Speaker 1: hope everybody understands that. Uh so so yeah, well you
• 10:49
  Speaker 1: mentioned you mentioned his attitude, and so like what about
• 10:56
  Speaker 1: a J Hinch? What about you know, sort of the
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  Speaker 1: rest of the guys like what what what are they
• 11:00
  Speaker 1: feeling right now?
• 11:02
  Speaker 2: Finally going home?
• 11:03
  Speaker 1: And then also just like the out in the came
• 11:08
  Speaker 1: really say you like this STI away but like opportunity squader.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it was a really positive vibe.
• 11:14
  Speaker 4: You know, he had wolves walking through with an ice
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  Speaker 4: cream cone, and you had guys yelling about who knows what,
• 11:19
  Speaker 4: like in the shower.
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  Speaker 3: I don't even want to know what was going on
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  Speaker 3: in there.
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  Speaker 4: AJ was pretty measured about this win, like, seemed to
• 11:27
  Speaker 4: think his team played well. They didn't lose by making
• 11:31
  Speaker 4: sloppy mistakes, by pitching poorly. They lost on a couple
• 11:34
  Speaker 4: of decisive swings. You know, you can talk about the
• 11:36
  Speaker 4: Tigers played approach and they're hitting, but there were at
• 11:40
  Speaker 4: least a few things to like throughout the course of
• 11:42
  Speaker 4: the night. So AJ seemed pretty pleased. I think he's
• 11:46
  Speaker 4: you know, it is one of those things. If you
• 11:47
  Speaker 4: would have told us in advance we'd walk out of
• 11:49
  Speaker 4: their building with one game, you know, you would take
• 11:52
  Speaker 4: that and that there is certainly some truth to that.
• 11:55
  Speaker 4: So the vibe around the team seemed really positive. Still,
• 11:58
  Speaker 4: it does kind of feel like, oh, they're their momentum's
• 12:00
  Speaker 4: rolling again, which and then I'd take a step back
• 12:03
  Speaker 4: and I'm like, well, is that is that right? Should
• 12:06
  Speaker 4: we feel that way? Because number one, they're happy to
• 12:09
  Speaker 4: go back home, and they should be. They've been on
• 12:11
  Speaker 4: the road for what will be fourteen days. It's been
• 12:13
  Speaker 4: a long, strange shread. Yeah, but you know, they went
• 12:19
  Speaker 4: five and six in that span. They played below five
• 12:22
  Speaker 4: hundred baseball since, including the game in Boston they clinched,
• 12:27
  Speaker 4: I believe they're four and threes. They haven't won more
• 12:30
  Speaker 4: than two games in a row since the back half
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  Speaker 4: of August. So there's still it's not like they're rolling
• 12:37
  Speaker 4: on all cylinders. It's like they beat a not that
• 12:39
  Speaker 4: good Guardians team in a playoff series, and granted they
• 12:42
  Speaker 4: deserve credit for that, that was a crazy series, tense atmosphere,
• 12:45
  Speaker 4: and that's kind of like, oh, always right in the
• 12:47
  Speaker 4: world again, and there's a part of me that zooms
• 12:50
  Speaker 4: out and is like, so far in the playoffs, you've
• 12:53
  Speaker 4: really had one big inning from your offense. The bats
• 12:57
  Speaker 4: if not really woken up. You talked about like looking
• 13:00
  Speaker 4: at the lineup the Riley Green. You have two homers
• 13:03
  Speaker 4: so far in the postseason, Dingler and Carpenter. We know
• 13:06
  Speaker 4: power plays in the playoffs. The Mariners are already showing that,
• 13:11
  Speaker 4: where's the big knock from Riley Green? Where's the big
• 13:13
  Speaker 4: hit from Spencer Torkelsen? Still waiting on that a little bit,
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  Speaker 4: and hey, there's time for it to come. But if
• 13:21
  Speaker 4: there's one thing that concerns me, it's that we haven't
• 13:24
  Speaker 4: I don't think we've actually seen this offense turn a corner.
• 13:29
  Speaker 4: Is there anyone right now you would you would really
• 13:32
  Speaker 4: say is hot? Like I'm not sure I would Hobby, Yeah, yeah,
• 13:39
  Speaker 4: a little bit of hobby.
• 13:40
  Speaker 2: Uh.
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  Speaker 4: And then the strikeouts are are still there against the
• 13:44
  Speaker 4: staff that punches out a lot of guys, that has
• 13:46
  Speaker 4: its best strikeout pitcher and Logan Gilbert going against you
• 13:49
  Speaker 4: in Game three. That's that's where the concern is for me.
• 13:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, that's that's all h percent valid. The
• 13:58
  Speaker 1: one little bit of a different twist on tonight's game,
• 14:02
  Speaker 1: was it? I mentioned not having any hits into the
• 14:05
  Speaker 1: fifth ending. This was not a like, well, you know,
• 14:10
  Speaker 1: junk up the bases, junk up the bases, jump up
• 14:12
  Speaker 1: the bases, we'll eventually kind of get one game. This
• 14:15
  Speaker 1: was a right, you got a guy on, alright, you
• 14:18
  Speaker 1: got a guy on. Okay, you technically got one the
• 14:20
  Speaker 1: third here, But like, it wasn't really a heavy, heavy,
• 14:23
  Speaker 1: heavily threatened game. And I'm not even saying that as
• 14:27
  Speaker 1: some sort of reprieve. It's just it's just different. I
• 14:30
  Speaker 1: preferred it when you were getting more guys on there,
• 14:32
  Speaker 1: because again, like you started out, this gets lost in
• 14:34
  Speaker 1: the sauce.
• 14:35
  Speaker 2: But what was he like fifty pitches? Uh?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you talked about the approach. The approach through the
• 14:40
  Speaker 3: first two innings was terrific. I mean they were really
• 14:42
  Speaker 3: making work.
• 14:43
  Speaker 4: They're laying off some tough pitches, they're fouling off some
• 14:45
  Speaker 4: tough pitches. I think through the course of the night
• 14:47
  Speaker 4: they fouled off too many pitches, including some hittable on
• 14:51
  Speaker 4: some pitches down the middle that maybe they were tick
• 14:53
  Speaker 4: late or just missed. Uh So, you know, sometimes we glorify. Oh,
• 14:58
  Speaker 4: they're fouling balls off. That's a tough thing. But if
• 15:00
  Speaker 4: you're fouling off the pitch, you should be driving. That's
• 15:04
  Speaker 4: not necessarily a good thing.
• 15:05
  Speaker 3: So anyway, first two winnings, I even maybe they missed
• 15:08
  Speaker 3: a couple of those pitches, But that was a great approach.
• 15:10
  Speaker 3: It's a really tough starter.
• 15:12
  Speaker 4: He started attacking the zone little more and then they
• 15:14
  Speaker 4: got a little swing happy, and then to your point,
• 15:17
  Speaker 4: it never felt like they really got back in it.
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  Speaker 3: You know, one through nine a consistently good approach.
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and like after the second ending, I mean, I
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: don't think this is breaking news. I didn't really feel
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: like they commanded the batter's box. I don't think they
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: commanded the strike zone. And and you know, like if
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: the two home runs and Rally double and then Julio
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: double and and that's uh, I mean, those those are
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: not Those are guys not letting good pitches get by them.
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: They're taking advantage of them. And and now that I'm
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: thinking that ending through, I just want to give credit
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: to McKinstry. That was a nice play to preserve the
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: law on the ground ball to uh the third and
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: get home, get Julio by by a mile. So like again,
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: those kind of like little things still there. They'll still
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  Speaker 1: So it was announced before the game that Jack Flaherty
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: will get the start in game three and Casey Mize
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: will get this start in game four. We obviously know
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: what would be a potential Game five situation. So obviously
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: a flip from how the divisional series went, Not that
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: that necessarily means anything, but that that's the first thing
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: that came to mind.
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  Speaker 2: So what what what? What? What is your interpretation of
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: this rotation here?
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  Speaker 4: I don't know if you recall going into the Wildcard
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: series they were lined up Flarity mice, but they flipped
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  Speaker 4: them for to be miz than Flarerty and now they've.
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  Speaker 3: Flipped him again. Aj Hinch asked about that here on Sunday,
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  Speaker 3: said Casey will get a little extra rest, a little
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: extra work in between his games. But we have to
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: pick an order. We feel really good about both.
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  Speaker 4: We could do it the other way and feel completely
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  Speaker 4: the same, but we have to choose.
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  Speaker 3: And we're going to roll with this order. So I
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  Speaker 3: don't really know what that means.
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  Speaker 4: I think it hints out a slight preference actually for
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: Jack Flaherty over Casey Mice. And if you think back
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: to the Wildcard series, had that gone and say the
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: Tigers had won it in two, right, Flarity would have
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: been lined up to start game one of the of
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: the Division series. So I think it actually ends, yeah,
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: to a slight preference for Flaherty over my I'm not
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: necessarily sure I agree with if that's the I mean,
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  Speaker 4: I think it's really close either way. Right, they've both
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: been up and down. They can both be really.
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  Speaker 3: Good or they're not very good at all.
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  Speaker 4: We've talked about this, like, I think the floor for
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: Mize is a little more stable than the floor for
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: Flarity and the ceiling.
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  Speaker 3: For both of them. Maybe it's higher for Flarity, but
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: I shoot, Casey Meisen Finway Park, that was a pretty
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: high ceiling. So maybe given again, we're just splitting hairs,
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: and it doesn't really matter.
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  Speaker 4: They are different style pitchers, right, Jack's gonna spin it
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: a lot more, where Casey's going to be a lot
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: more fastball splitter heavy. Although he's actually been using the slider.
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: It's onto, but a little bit of a different style
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: to their game. I think maybe the Tigers like Flerty's
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: spin against the Mariners a little bit more. This is
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: a team that can really jump on fastballs, so if
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: you can fold on some curveball sliders, maybe that plays
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: into it a little bit. At the end of the day,
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  Speaker 4: Probably not a huge decision either way, especially know when
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: you're going back with this thing tied, but you do
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: need to go outing from at least one of these
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: two guys if you want to get back here to
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: Seattle where they can just both have great outings. You
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: want it into everyone gets fired up.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, It's so simple. Uh.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: And then for two consecutive games, we've seen Kyle Finnegan
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: come up in crucial situations, and in two consecutive games
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: he's been hit hard. Now one of them he got
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: away with it, you know, you know tonight obviously, uh
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: not so much. So what's what's the what's the confidence level.
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  Speaker 4: Like in Finnegan right now? Look, I think it's still
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: really high. He's been such a good pitcher, but they
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: use him four times in five days. You know all
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: that talk he's throwing the splitter more he's had success
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: with it. He threw you have a box square pull
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: up how many pitches he threw? All but one of
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: the pitches he threw were splitters, so it was almost
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: going in. I would I didn't get a chance to
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: talk to lut this, but I'd say too splitter happy.
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  Speaker 3: And if you think about splitters, they're.
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: Not that many guys who throw them a super high
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: percentage of the time and have success. It's still best
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: is like an outpitch, a put away pitch, something that
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: can get a swing and miss, because generally you want
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: that pitch to be a ball. There are a few
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: guys who throw splitters that have a lot of horizontal
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: run on them, Finnigans. I don't really think does M'd
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: have a little closer at the data, So if anyone
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: wants to fact check me, that's fine. But often splitters
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: are going to be over the plate. That's one reason
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: they're too neutral. But that you're at risk of leaving
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: them up. Think about splitter pitches we've seen in Detroit,
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: case he might's being a big one of them. You
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: can be prone to leaving those up and then getting crushed,
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: and that's what happened.
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  Speaker 3: I almost think Finnigan's getting all too splitter happy despite
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: the success he's had with that.
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: Plus they've just used the Heck album and he's been
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: so good and he deserves that usage. But it's another
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: reflection of like the thin, the thin nature of the
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: Tigers bullpen. When you start having to dip into other
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: guys like Rafael Montero, you get criticized or Tommy Gainley,
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: like you don't feel good about that. That's why they've
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: used the Heck out of finn again. But four out
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: of five, man, that's a lot to ask for any reliever.
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: And then, yeah, I already talked about the splitter things,
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  Speaker 4: so I think that's an explanation of of what I have.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: Fifteen on fifteen on Saturday and eighteen pitches today.
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  Speaker 4: So just it wasn't it wasn't all it was to
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: Raleigh and Julio, I think all about one yea yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, But just like in general, that's like his his
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: total pitch usage there, and yeah, he's not gonna come
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: up when it's seven, eight nine, or you know what
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: I mean, He's he's gonna.
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: Be Yeah, we got an off day. I'm pretty sure
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: he's gonna be available again for Game three. And if
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: I were a J. Hinsch, I would do the same thing.
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: I agree.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, he's one of he's one of He's one
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• 22:59
  Speaker 1: anything else before we jet out here, Cody, No, I.
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: Think that covers.
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: Hey, we are gonna have a playoff game, two playoff
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: games guarantee at Comerica Park.
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  Speaker 3: That's gonna be pretty fun.
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  Speaker 4: There was a time when I didn't know if the
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  Speaker 3: They have made it back there.
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  Speaker 4: And although you know, we've talked about some of the problems,
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  Speaker 4: some of the concerns, you got a chance to move on.
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  Speaker 3: Man, you could do it.
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: Like we said, two wins, you're on to the ALCS.
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  Speaker 3: That could be.
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: That could be really fun for the city of Detroit.
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  Speaker 4: We'll see what the next couple of days bring. It
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: continues to be wild, crazy, exhausting, fun fulfilling ride.
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  Speaker 3: So see you guys in Detroit.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's a very it's a very even
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: serious same amount of runs between the two teams.
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