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Peter Dunne: Political Commentator says the allegations against Te Pāti Māori need to be handled carefully · Early Edition with Ryan Bridge

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  Speaker 1: Back home, the Marory party facing these fresh allegations of
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  Speaker 1: using personal information collected for the census and the COVID
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  Speaker 1: immunization program to help their election campaign. They deny everything
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  Speaker 1: but stats New Zealand has appointed and investigated the Privacy
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  Speaker 1: commissioners involved past a complaint onto the police. I think
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  Speaker 1: the Labour Party yesterday had a visit to the police
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  Speaker 1: as well. A political commentator, Peter Dunns with us on
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  Speaker 1: all of this, Peter Morning, Morning mate. At this stage,
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  Speaker 1: given the various strands we've got, does it pass the
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  Speaker 1: pub test or not?
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  Speaker 2: It's beginning to look a bit dodgy. We don't know
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  Speaker 2: precisely what the allegations are, who did what, when and how,
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  Speaker 2: but there's a bit of a smell beginning to emerge
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  Speaker 2: about it. I think more for the fact of the
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  Speaker 2: way people are reacting that you've colag you say, various
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  Speaker 2: potential inquiries underway. As you talked this morning of the
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  Speaker 2: Order to General being involved in both the politicians all
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  Speaker 2: took knowing quite carefully around the edge of us. That
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  Speaker 2: suggests that that concerned that there's something there that needs
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  Speaker 2: to be inquired into as well. So it's beginning to
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  Speaker 2: talk a little bit, a little bit squiffic.
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  Speaker 1: If you go back and I remember raising it on
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  Speaker 1: the show at the time, when you have a Mariah
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  Speaker 1: the chief executive of which turns out to be a candidate,
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  Speaker 1: and that Mariah then turns into a polling booth, that
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  Speaker 1: alone just I mean, there's nothing illegal about it, obviously,
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  Speaker 1: but that alone doesn't pass the test either, does it?
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  Speaker 2: No, I think, And I think that's probably the core
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  Speaker 2: of the problem, because we don't know what the I
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  Speaker 2: imaginations were, if there were any, but sort of the
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  Speaker 2: close link to the Maria candidate and to party mari
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  Speaker 2: all just starts to look for a little bit too convenient.
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  Speaker 2: And that's the problem here. It's the perception off and
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  Speaker 2: rather than reality that dooms people.
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  Speaker 1: You see, you've got a whole lot of little things,
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  Speaker 1: like you're watching a video of the person saying, come
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  Speaker 1: and get your vex jab. But the person telling you
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  Speaker 1: to come and get your vex jab and we can
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  Speaker 1: get some grocery vouchers is wearing a married party T shirt.
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  Speaker 1: So is the married party T shirt. The problem is
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  Speaker 1: the grocery vouchers. The problem. You see what I'm saying,
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  Speaker 1: you've got You've got all sorts of sort of rules
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  Speaker 1: potentially being breached here or not breach, depending on which
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  Speaker 1: side of the argument you're on.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, And I think this this is where the thing
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  Speaker 2: gets a bit tricky because you've also got the argument
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  Speaker 2: put up I think by god Tamer Harry that this
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  Speaker 2: is just the traditional concept of car and you know,
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  Speaker 2: it's no big deal. And I think the risk here
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  Speaker 2: is that this turns into a sort of a Mari
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  Speaker 2: party tea conger versus the rest of the zealanty hunger
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  Speaker 2: and it's a very divisive situation. They easily spin off
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  Speaker 2: this to their constituents that they are just being picked
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  Speaker 2: on and this is the white system sort of attacking them.
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  Speaker 2: That's the sort of thing that White City's been talking
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  Speaker 2: about a bit of late. So, but this is going
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  Speaker 2: to be handled with a degree of sensitivity. It is wrongdoing.
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  Speaker 2: It needs to be found out and how to account.
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  Speaker 2: It's got to be done in a way that doesn't
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  Speaker 2: look like we're sort of, you know, again the colonizers
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  Speaker 2: victimizing the thing of the fee.
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  Speaker 1: But then you've got the legal side of the equation,
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  Speaker 1: because I mean people gave I mean the sensus, people
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  Speaker 1: gave out warriors, sica's for God's sake to fill it
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  Speaker 1: out and all those sort of things. But having said that,
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  Speaker 1: if you use census information and or electoral role information
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  Speaker 1: and you punch out ads on texts and you don't
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  Speaker 1: do it legally, that's when lawyers get involved, isn't it potentially?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And the Electric Act and the legislation and government
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  Speaker 2: the collection of information for the sensors are both quite
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  Speaker 2: specific about how they can and cannot be used for
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  Speaker 2: electrical purposes. I remember at the time they were being
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  Speaker 2: developed there was a lot of discussion about making sure
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  Speaker 2: that political parties had legitimate access to the data in
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  Speaker 2: terms of the information, but how it was to be
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  Speaker 2: used was of great concern because there are massive personal
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  Speaker 2: privacies just involved.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, all right, pet go well, appreciate it very much.
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  Speaker 1: Peter donpolitical commentator.
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