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Episode 2 - From Bumble to Bull: How Siren Became His Ride or Die (W/ Siren & Socrates) · The Bull Brotherhood

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This brotherhood's for men whose stories need
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to be told. This brotherhood's for men whose
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stories need to be told. This is who we are,
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bold, confident, seductive, dominant, and classy.
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We stand tall, never fall, Bull Brotherhood,
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luxury untold. Ladies and gentlemen, good evening
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and welcome to another episode of the Bull Brotherhood
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podcast. I'm your host for the evening, Mr. Brian
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Morgan, a .k .a. the Sigma Male, the introverted
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alpha, the lone wolf. one half of the Brotherhood,
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and tonight I have the pleasure of being able
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to interview my podcast partner in crime, the
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one and only Socrates, along with his lovely
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wife, essential siren, in my southern drawl.
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How y 'all doing tonight? We're doing good. Thanks
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for having us, Brian. What's good, y 'all? Thanks
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for having me, brother. All right. Wonderful,
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wonderful. Ladies and gentlemen, let me start
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off by saying this is truly an honor to interview
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these two tonight. because these two have really
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become family in a short period of time. And
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if you don't know Socrates and Siren, tonight
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that's what I want to really introduce the couple.
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Not just Socrates, the bull, and Siren, the...
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What do I call you, Siren, when you're out there
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doing your thing? Are you considered a unicorn
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or a cockatrice or what? I think that's that
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way for us. Yeah, Vixen. Just Hot Wife. Vixen,
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okay, I'll stay. I'll stay. We're here again.
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Let's get started with the interview. How did
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you two meet, and were you already in the lifestyle
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when you met? And if not, what got you into the
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lifestyle? So we met the good old -fashioned
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2021 way, and that is on the Bumble app for dating.
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Okay. Yeah. And I love efficiency. So they have
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this thing that you can buy a feature for the
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women for 10 extra dollars a month. You can see
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who swiped on you. So it's more efficient. So
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you can go and just not spend all day swiping.
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Right. So I saw the variety of men that had swiped
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on me. So I just narrowed it down. And Socrates
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here had he wasn't that good looking. In his
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pictures, like, to be honest. But he filled out
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his entire profile completely, and that just
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got me. So we started chatting, and I was getting
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ready to go on a trip. So I went on my trip,
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and I said, hey, I'll be back next Tuesday. If
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you want to talk to me then, you know, hit me
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up. So Tuesday rolled around right on time. He
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texted me, said, you want to go for a drink?
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I said, sure. I think it was like the next night
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we were going to go. Yeah, it was the next night.
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And yeah, December 1st, 2021. And we went on
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our first date. I almost didn't go because I
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was tired and I didn't really take the time to
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get ready. very well um and i told my daughter
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i said oh do i look cute but not too cute because
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if i'm too cute they're gonna fall in love with
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me and i'm gonna kiss and then i'm gonna break
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his heart and then it's all my fault with all
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the other guys you know and despite you know
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but but if a guy asked me out i always you know
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i i would always go you know because i know that
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in this day and age it's like a lot of men don't
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even take the initiative anymore so um anyway
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so i met um up with socrates at the the spot
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and I was there just a second or two before him
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and he tapped me on the shoulder and he said
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my name and then I looked up and I didn't even
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say hello I said you're hot and to this day we
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joke he reverse catfished me because when he
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showed up in person I was like um who's that
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in the pictures because you are hot And he was
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a bull in the lifestyle when we met. And then
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about a couple weeks after we met, I walked into
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his room in the daylight for the first time and
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saw these hotel key cards lined up on his windowsill.
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And I said, oh, what are these? And he was like,
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you don't want to know. And I said, oh, yes,
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I do. I know there's some good stories right
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here. And he asked me if I knew what being a
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bull is. And I said, oh, yes, when like a couple
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will get you to come and you'll fuck the wife
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while the husband watches. And he's like, oh,
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how'd you learn about that? And I was like, probably
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porn. Like, I don't know. But I said, I, you
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know, no stranger, like I've had at least a dozen
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couples ask me to join them over the years, but
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I just never did because I was worried about
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the quality and then having to see these people
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again. So I never did. with a chicken. So then
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Socrates, you know, just asked me if I was interested
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in knowing more about the lifestyle. And, you
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know, I had a lot of emotions about it. I was
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like, well, is it just like you get your cake
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and eat it too? And, you know, all these type
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of things. But I actually was in the middle of
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reading The Ethical Slut for the second time
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when I met him. So I kind of just picked that
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up and finished it off. And then he gave me some
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podcasts to go to. um some different websites
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but and man it took me about four months and
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I was like man I was just wrestling with it and
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then one day I said I just need to talk to a
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woman about this like I need to talk to another
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woman in the lifestyle and I had a friend online
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who was in some different groups um and some
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of the stories and that she would tell in there
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were pretty crazy so I was like huh this seems
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like maybe what she's doing And so I I hit her
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up and I asked questions back and forth for probably
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a period of a day. And she just explained everything,
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basically said the same thing, but just from
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a woman's perspective, you know, but she backed
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up everything that he said. So then I knew I
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was like, OK, this is like real. This is the
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truth. You know, it's like another person to
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verify. And just hearing it first perspective,
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then I was like, oh, I'm like, I'm in. Let's
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do this. That's the hell of a damn intro right
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there. Every intro. No, seriously, that's what
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I want to hear. That's what I believe, you know,
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fans and listeners want to hear. They want to
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hear how people have really, you know, and truly
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gotten into this world. As you know, I very seldom
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say lifestyle. So, I mean, I live this life 24
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-7, as you guys know. So, I want to know, especially
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from family, how did you guys get into this,
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you know? So, there are a few. Tell me. First
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of all, when you first... When you first saw,
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when you first saw Siren, tell me, tell me, I
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mean, tell me. Did she pass the test at first
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glance? Or were you like, oh, well, you know,
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fine. But, you know what I'm saying? I got to
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get to know her better. Tell me. Well, I'm going
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to tell the fans. Exactly what went through your
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mind. Nah, like, it was different for me. When
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I saw her, I was like, oh, she hits. every one
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of my qualifications so i hit her up and you
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know one thing i liked about bumble is you know
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if you're interested in me you have to reach
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out so it's it's really clear i'm not bothering
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women or like women that are just bored on there
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and having fun you know you're serious about
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it so at least that's what i felt like so yeah
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when i saw her and she was like oh i'm going
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out of town You know, follow up on Tuesday or
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whatever day it was. I was like, bet. I put it
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in my calendar. I gave myself reminders. I was
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like, I'm all over this. You know, and so the
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looks were there. And if I'm honest, I wasn't
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looking for a serious relationship, but she qualified
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for everything physically that I wanted. And
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I loved her energy in the conversation we had.
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So, yeah. When I saw her, I was like, oh, and
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because she was. facing away from me. So she
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was Eleanor, and she has very long, curly hair,
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and I love that. And she had a big moody, I don't
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mind saying, curvy, you know, curly hair, dressed
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well, and she was chill. Like she said, she wasn't,
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but she was natural. I liked the fact that she
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didn't put a whole lot of time putting a lot
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of makeup on. She looks good with makeup, but
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she looks beautiful without it. So, you know,
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but what got me was the conversation. You know,
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she's intelligent. business owner you know and
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um fun and so that you know it got me the first
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night you just answered the next question because
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i was going to ask you being called socrates
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what was the conversation like but you just i
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can i can just imagine from from the way she
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answered from the way you answered siren and
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then the way socrates is knowing him now i can
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imagine that you guys were really really it was
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a very very engaging conversation Very engaging.
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So tell me, I mean, when you when you found out
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and I'm speaking to Siren, when you found out,
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of course, he was a bull and, you know, you got
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the verification from your girlfriend that what
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he was saying was not bullshit and everything.
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He was a real bull. How did you I mean, how did
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you guys start exploring? Did you just like go
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right into the lifestyle or did you like, you
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know, check it out thoroughly before you went
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to an event? or how you guys go into it oh hell
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no i just get enough information to like get
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comfortable and then i just like dive headfirst
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into things and my husband's this um because
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i'm like gosh he researches like way more than
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i do and i'm like more of a feeling person so
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i just get comfortable with it and yeah like
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i know enough about it you know sometimes i get
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a little nervous but um So I think that he had
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a friend up in the Seattle area that was in the
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lifestyle. And so they had suggested Club Sapphire
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there right off the side. And so that was a club
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that's a reasonable distance from us in one direction
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or another, I won't say. But so we I said, let's
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go. And I like booked us a ticket in this whole
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thing. And then he made some stupid. plan to
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go look at some business thing and like ruin
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the weekend and so I was pissed at him I went
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anyways I didn't go to the club though I just
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went to the area and you know just to see some
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friends and hang out and chill and then I drove
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by the club like on like one of the nights to
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just kind of see what the vibe was but it just
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looked like a regular office place um and then
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I think it was another month because actually
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we're actually coming up on our third year anniversary
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of being in the lifestyle together um and so
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we did eventually make it back to the club and
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I was just sweating bullets and we talked a whole
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lot about it like we we made like a million and
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a half rules it felt like um and he's just like
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remember you don't have to do anything that you
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don't want to do he's like we can go in there
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whenever you want to leave we can leave we can
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do stuff we can not do stuff you know he just
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gave me lots of options and uh they may feel
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a lot better but I was still like sweating bullets
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and we go in the little room and watch the rules
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and all that and then you know go out there um
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when this just looks like kind of like a regular
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bar like lots of places to sit a dance floor
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you know and i was like oh okay it's like and
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i also watched um all the youtube videos on the
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club So that I can kind of like get the club
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tour, like see what was going to happen. You
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know, obviously. So you did do some research.
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I did do a little swan set club specifically.
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But then I was like, I don't know what to expect.
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But right when we walked in, I saw a handsome
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brother from across the room. So I was like,
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oh, well, there's at least one here tonight.
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So we'll see how it goes. And then, you know,
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we just danced. And then eventually I just kind
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of got antsy. And I was like, let's just go in
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the back. You know, we'll just start out with
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each other and like see what happens. So we plopped
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down on a bed next to another couple and they
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were just in their own little world. And I was
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just like so amazed at how focused they were
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on each other with us like doing stuff right
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next to them. And I just thought he's really
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cool. And I loved all the sounds you can hear
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of everyone in the room because I love that.
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And so then after we were. uh done there then
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we kind of moved on and then we saw uh the guy
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I had seen earlier and then just kind of progressed
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from there and I remember just being so like
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um can I ask him you know asking Socrates can
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I ask him that if I can touch his arms and he's
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like yes you can ask him if you can touch his
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arm and then I was like okay do you like can
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I touch your arms you know I was just like consent
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consent consent like every single step um you
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know and now you kind of just When we play with
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people, it's like, oh, you just consent to play
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and then you just go, right? But I was like,
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okay, can I touch your leg now? Okay, can I touch
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your dick? Like every step of the way, I was
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asking permission of Socrates and the guy. So
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we ended up playing with like two couples, I
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think, and then a little group too. So it was
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a wild night. In other words, I introduced her
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to it and I've been holding on for dear life
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ever since. Nephew, I'm going to tell you right
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now, brother. And when I hear her speak. She
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definitely has the right name, Siren. She sounds
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dangerous, alluring, and seductive. You know
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what I mean? She sounds what her name suggests,
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Siren. So, nephew, you really started out that
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night as, I'm not going to say a stag, but you
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were kind of like I am with my baby girl. You
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know, if we go to an event. She has fair game
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to play, you know, as much as she wants to. But
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at the same time, she knows to respect. You know,
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she asked you, you know, was this good, that
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good? And you said, hey, you know, do your thing.
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So, I mean, how did that make you feel that night?
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Did you kind of like, after the evening was over,
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did you kind of go home and say to yourself,
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hmm, this might be somebody that I need to hang
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on to? Or did you just think, okay, that's, we
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had a good time. Maybe I'll see you again. Maybe
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I don't, et cetera, et cetera. How'd you feel
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after that? Well, I knew she was it because one
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of the things is she didn't say is I actually
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stepped out of the lifestyle for a couple of
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months until she felt comfortable and I was willing
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to do it for a long time. But that night said,
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I said to myself, oh my goodness, this woman
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is amazing. And she really took to the lifestyle,
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you know? So it was like. Wait a minute. I remember
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a time talking to one of my friends saying, this
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is the kind of woman I want. And they were like,
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those women don't exist. That's what my friend
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told me one time. I was like, I'm going to look
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for it. And it's worth finding if it's, you know.
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And that night I was like, yeah, I found it.
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I found that unicorn, like literally just, who
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is just as slutty as she is loyal and just as
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nasty as she is smart, just as gritty. As she
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is, like, ready to fuck. Down to fuck. You know
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what I mean? So, that's what I wanted. And I
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realized that night, that's what I got. Again,
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sounds like you have what our brother Mr. Mocha
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has. You know, you found that. You found that
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ride or die lady who has embraced this life just
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like you have. And she wants not only to be She
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wants the pleasure herself, but she wants you
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to be pleased and you guys want to be pleased
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as that one team. You know, like I said, I ate
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that ride or die. I love y 'all, but I hate you
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in the same damn breath. Because I don't, because
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I don't, because I don't have that. And I've
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told you that more times than once, that I wish,
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I wish I could find a siren at a Mrs. Mocha.
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I wish I could, you know, but hey, that's another.
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She's out there. I tell you what, sweetie, at
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my age, I don't know. I swear. I really don't
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know. My mom, I'm going to give you some advice.
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My mom says the heart is never too old to love.
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Okay? That's true. You're still grieving. There's
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still time. That is true. I am still grieving.
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I love you. I am still grieving. But I tell you
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what, though, she's going to be a bad motherfucker
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to fuck with. She's going to have to be up bad,
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motherfucker. She's out there cuffing and...
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Let's get back to the swing of things, all right?
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People don't want to hear me cry like that on
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the airwaves. But they're okay. So you guys,
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here again, you guys kind of knew. You knew that
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you wanted to be together, correct? Yeah. You
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knew that. She figured it out a little sooner
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than I did, but yeah, it was quick. But he said
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I left first. I left it 11 days. 11 days. Yeah.
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It was kind of acted out on purpose, I think.
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He was dropping me off at a party and he took
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me inside. Hello to everybody. He said, I'll
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be back in a little bit. And then on the way
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out, he gave me a big kiss and said, love you
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and left. But the party just happened. And I
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can imagine everybody there like looking like,
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what the fuck just happened? Yelling. He dropped
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the love of his life off, you know, and is comfortable,
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is comfortable to leave her there. Knowing that,
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you know, you're going to go in there and do
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your thing. And hey, baby, I'll be back at this
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time to pick you up. You tell me all about it.
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And we'll probably go home and tear each other's
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brains out, you know, for the rest of the night.
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That's, that's a beautiful, that's, that's marriage.
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That should be in the fucking dictionary. I tell
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you. It doesn't matter if it's a few hours or
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a few minutes. Okay. And that's good that he
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missed you. It is good. All right. There is nothing
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wrong with being a bull on a boyfriend. Okay.
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That's a whole nother damn topic though. I won't
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get into that, but that is what I am, you know,
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currently now. Not only a boy, but also a boyfriend.
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So you guys made it official. You guys are together.
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You are a couple. Tell me how you started then.
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Because I know, nephew, you come home from work
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sometimes. You don't know what to expect when
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you get home, correct? I mean, it might be a
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woman there waiting on you with her. Might be
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two women. I mean, tell me how you guys got into
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that. You know, the way you were that comfortable.
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You're that comfortable, and you basically can
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come on and don't know what the fuck is going
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to happen in the next minute. I'm going to let
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her explain kind of like the timeline and the
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difference of it. But what I will say is one
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thing that I know I recognized about her that
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I think is a superpower is her commitment to
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constant and never -ending improvement. wows
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me of how willing she is to search her soul her
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body her thinking her perspective everything
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to find who she really is and authentically be
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she's not kowtowing to me whatever but she's
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always willing to get better so you know i'll
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let her tell the logistics of it but i just say
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it's because she's so committed to this lifestyle
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but this also committed to just being man person
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I think the first, you know, nine months to a
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year, we just kind of dabbled a little bit when
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we we'd like to go on trips. And so when we would
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go on trips, we would just, you know, see if
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there was a club there or something going on.
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Kind of just stuck to for a good minute. And
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then it wasn't until into like the second year
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of, you know, all of this that. Let's see. No.
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When did we go to Splash for the first time?
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Oh, yeah. No, we went to Splash that first year
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then. So Splash was our big event. So we kind
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of got into lifestyle together in March. Dabble
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did a few clubs and then went to Splash in November
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of 2022. And that was Houston. Yes, Houston.
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And I think before that, if we had gone to like,
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there's like a local spot here. And we had just
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mostly met women. And so I got chatting with
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one of them. And then he had always said he,
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you know, he does not like surprises of any kind,
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even good surprises. The only thing that I'm
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allowed to surprise him with is threesome with
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another woman. So I got chatting with this girl
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and I said, hey, wouldn't it be fun if we, you
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know, could get you to come to the house? And
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he doesn't know it, you know. So a couple of
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weeks, we her and I plot in this thing and. You
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know, it's Sunday night and she's on her way
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and the whole day I'm just giggling about the
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whole thing. And usually if people are coming
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over, I'm like running around the house like
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trying to clean everything, you know. And so
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I just played it cool. There was, you know, a
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little bit of mess in the house. You know, I
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said, you know, why don't we cook a bunch of.
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just cook some extra steaks tonight. We can have
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leftovers for the week, make meal prepping easier.
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You know, I was just wearing like messy bun and
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a t -shirt and shorts, nothing crazy. And he
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said, oh goodness, there's, there was like this
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big one, one of those Goliath mosquitoes on the
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wall, whatever those things are called. And he's
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like, can you grab the fly swatter? And well,
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right then the lady had texted me that she was
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there. And then I kind of went down this little
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hallway to the front door. Well, I opened up
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the door to the closet where the fly swatter
23:19
was and she was at the door right then. So I
23:22
was able to sneak her in. And the miraculous
23:23
thing is, is that our dogs didn't bark at her
23:26
at all when she came in. They always do. So she
23:31
came down the hall with me and then I said, I
23:33
have the fly swatter and turned around and then
23:35
I was holding the fly swatter and then she was
23:37
on the other side of me. And then he was like,
23:40
God, it just happened. So that was our first
23:44
one. And I've probably done it at least a dozen
23:47
times now. And every single time I get them,
23:49
like I changed the algorithm. I said, you're
23:51
never going to figure it out. Like one time I
23:55
even flew a lady in for the weekend. Like that
23:58
was probably the ultimate. You know, and we were
24:01
I said we were going to call him from the hot
24:03
tub, like naked from the hot tub, you know, from
24:05
get him to come home from work. But then we decided
24:08
just wait. And we even got a video. It was really
24:11
fun. When he came in for that. So. I was just
24:15
going to ask nephew. I'm in the country. I was
24:16
going to ask nephew. What does that make you
24:19
feel like when you come home to like spontaneous
24:24
events like that? Yeah. You know what I mean?
24:26
Where she set up something like that and you
24:29
didn't know anything. And then, and I mean, you
24:32
know, you might pop the garage door and she's
24:34
standing there with a friend. Oh yeah. Well,
24:38
sometimes I'll pop the garage door and she's
24:40
just standing there in some lingerie. And luckily,
24:43
we don't think of anybody across the street from
24:45
us, so nobody else can see. Who cares? I wouldn't
24:49
even care. To answer your question. I wouldn't
24:54
even care. Yeah, I'm a little different on that
25:00
one, but that's a whole other question. Yeah,
25:06
no, no judgment or anything. But to answer your
25:08
question, yeah, I feel like a king. I feel like
25:11
I'm lucky as hell. I feel like whatever I got
25:15
to do to keep this going, I'm grateful to it
25:19
all the time because she's right. She keeps you
25:22
in the game. Man. She keeps you in the game.
25:24
She does. And one thing she honors, too, is I'm
25:27
serious. So for me, with the surprise thing,
25:31
obviously nobody likes negative surprise. You
25:33
want to be prepared for it. Well, some people
25:35
are like, I'd rather not know. I want to know.
25:38
But a positive surprise, I don't like because
25:40
I'm like, well, I could be knowing and looking
25:43
forward to that. I'd rather you tell me you're
25:45
going to give me a gift than surprise me about
25:47
it because I'm like, it gets me through the day.
25:50
I don't know if that makes sense, but it's like,
25:51
I'm like, yeah, this is coming up and she's going
25:54
to give me this for a gift. It's the buildup
25:57
that you like. You like the buildup. You like
26:00
the buildup. I prefer the spontaneity, so I,
26:02
you know. I'm the one that, like, would want
26:06
the damn garage door to open up, you know, two
26:10
standing there and, you know, hey, I might get
26:12
out right there. Don't even park the car good.
26:15
You're making a walk into the damn garage. That's
26:17
fine. Okay? That is fine. Neighbors can watch.
26:21
Neighbors can watch. I could tell you this. They
26:23
just don't see a narrow black ass for a long
26:25
age walking into the damn garage. Okay? That's
26:28
it. All right. Here again, I got all set there.
26:31
Keep doing that. no no so yeah i just i'm i'm
26:36
i'm i don't you know i'm lucky that's all i feel
26:40
i'm just blessed um and it's both of you are
26:45
both of you we are and in a before i saw it and
26:49
i saw another couple a long time ago and when
26:53
i saw it and when she was you know when she was
26:55
explaining to me what she was doing for her husband
26:57
that she's she i don't i want to get something
27:01
clear about it too. It's not just something that
27:04
I'm lucky for. I want to tell a lot of stag and
27:07
vixen couples, especially that when the way to
27:10
do this, I'm going to tell you what it does.
27:12
So when I saw it and when I first seen it, she
27:14
says, I like to control the situation. Secondly,
27:18
the women feel way more comfortable that the
27:20
wife is reaching out. Now I know this dude ain't
27:23
lying. Now I know this dude ain't, well, you
27:25
know, I'm in a lifestyle, but you know, my, my
27:28
wife, you know, she knows, but she doesn't want
27:30
to. get involved. I'm not saying that's not true.
27:33
There's a lot of relationships like that, but
27:35
it's ambiguous, you know? And then some dudes
27:38
are just straight up lying and that's their thing.
27:40
Like you say, no judgment on none of that. No,
27:42
we're not here to judge that. But what I do like
27:44
about it is that it does make the, the unicorn
27:49
or even, you know, this, the hot wife or whoever
27:52
feel way more comfortable. And she also gets
27:56
a chance to vet because you know how dudes are,
27:58
you know, you know, your dick is pulling you.
28:00
You know what I'm saying? And we try to be wise,
28:04
but women want the lifestyle for a reason. So
28:07
the cool thing about it is she gets to talk to
28:10
them. You know, she gets to see not if they're
28:13
crazy or anything like that, nothing judgmental,
28:15
but more of like, maybe we're not a good vibe
28:17
or maybe, you know, it's not a right, good timing
28:21
for one of the other. And so I like that. Plus,
28:24
um, I run, you know, I run several businesses.
28:29
We run several businesses. And I'd rather not
28:32
spend a lot of time trying to generate all of
28:36
these introductions and certain things because
28:39
women naturally want to take their time to make
28:43
sure that they're going to be safe with you,
28:44
that you're not going to be some knucklehead,
28:46
that you're not going to waste their time, right?
28:49
So when the wife reaches out, you know, you don't
28:53
have to be what we call her the slut secretary.
28:55
She is my slut secretary. You don't have to be
28:58
that. You don't have to be that. But just an
29:01
introduction. Hey, I'm cool with this. You know,
29:04
you seem to be a cool person. My husband's interested
29:07
in you. Something that simple goes a long way.
29:10
And so it's not just lucky. I think it helps
29:14
us avoid a lot of drama and it helps me avoid
29:16
a lot of wasting the time in somebody's inbox
29:19
that's not interested or, you know, whatever
29:22
I do, I can focus on business. You know, she
29:25
does that for me. And then after that, I have
29:28
decent conversations with them. Some women I
29:31
play with, they only want to see me at Splash.
29:33
These literally don't want to talk to me at all,
29:35
you know, before or after. But when we see each
29:38
other at Splash, we smash. You know what I mean?
29:42
And then some women I talk to. I was about to
29:44
say, all you got to do is go and perform, basically,
29:47
all right? Siren knows exactly what you like.
29:51
You know what I mean? I mean, she knows everything.
29:53
So it's like you don't have to say a damn word.
29:56
She is your mouthpiece, you know, and that's
29:59
something that. She's everything. I love that.
30:04
She knows everything. She knows everything, you
30:06
know. So like I said, all you got to do is perform.
30:09
That's it. That's all you got to do is perform.
30:11
It's almost, it is almost like, let me say this,
30:14
it's almost like when I lived in Germany and
30:17
for the two years, for the two years, Socrates,
30:20
I told you I was. you know, a male escort and
30:22
I had my female handler, you know, I didn't have
30:25
to, I didn't have to worry about anything. She
30:27
took care of business. Right. She did the talking,
30:29
you know what I mean? All I had to do was show
30:31
up and he again, you know, for the date, that
30:35
was it. That was it. So I'm going to do it. I
30:38
didn't mean to cut you off. No, the great thing
30:40
about it is I don't want it to sound transactional.
30:45
It actually greases the wheels better for more
30:47
friendship. So we have people that we talk to,
30:50
that she talks to more than I do. And, you know,
30:54
I might talk to that young lady like once or
31:00
twice a week or every other day. I talk to them
31:03
every day. And they have a good friendship. And
31:06
then there's some women where it's just like,
31:08
I'm terrible at managing my calendar. I told
31:10
her that myself, that I don't manage my calendar
31:13
well, but if I have a strong calendar, I'm doing
31:16
good. So she might just be the one to text her
31:18
and say, hey, we got Saturday night available.
31:21
You know, but I'm still having great relationships.
31:24
And, you know, as far as lifestyle conversations
31:26
and getting to know people, it's not a transactional
31:29
thing. But what it does do is says she's better
31:32
at reading women than I am because my dick's
31:34
reading you. You know, and then after, you know,
31:36
I don't know how men are. I'd rather get to know
31:39
you, but my dick's sometimes getting in the way
31:40
of judgment. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's going to
31:44
be the first point of contact. All right, the
31:46
little hair is going to control the big hair.
31:49
That's going to be the first point of contact.
31:51
And then we go after that. I totally get it.
31:53
What advice would you give couples? I mean, you
31:57
guys have obviously, you know, you guys love
31:59
each other very, very much. Like I said, you
32:01
guys are ride or die. You are each other's everything.
32:04
What advice would you give couples who would,
32:06
say, aspire to be like you guys in this life?
32:12
You know, to be as open as you are, but yet as
32:16
loving as you are. How would they get to that
32:18
point? I mean, you know, just what would you
32:22
advise couples coming into the world? Just know
32:27
that you're signing up for a lot of hard work.
32:29
Know that you're signing up for a lot of hard
32:31
work. But you are also signing up for a lot of
32:35
fun and a lot of communication and just really
32:42
rewarding, enriching moments between you and
32:45
your spouse as you navigate maybe even like hard
32:49
things in the lifestyle or difficulties. Like
32:52
you just become so close. And we've just had
32:55
some of the sweetest times like, you know, where
32:58
maybe I had an insecure moment and he reassured
33:00
me and then. You know, he's just my rock. And
33:05
then it's kind of like I can be all over the
33:07
place sometimes, but he just anchors me down
33:11
and holds me. And so, but that's what you get.
33:14
Not forcefully. She's talking to you emotionally.
33:17
Well, I mean, unless I ask for that, that's for
33:21
a different party. So, you know. That's where
33:25
you want it. That's what the fans want to hear.
33:27
He's just my, yeah, he's just my safe place.
33:30
And so. You know, but that was a lot of hard
33:33
work to get to that point. Like, I mean, especially
33:35
when we first moved in together, like I have
33:38
my kids all that we were going to kill each other.
33:41
You know, there's just but you just can't give
33:44
up because now it's just like, you know, oh,
33:47
you're leaving. I'm packing my bag. I'm coming
33:49
with you. You know, we're going to see who can
33:52
be more stubborn, but just roll with it. Just
33:56
like know that, like, even if today's hard. Tomorrow's
33:59
going to be better if you're committed to constant
34:01
and never ending improvement, which we are. So
34:03
what else do you want to say, babe? Yeah, so
34:06
I love that answer. I've been wanting to say
34:10
this for a while. It's been my heart. Before
34:12
I answer this, I want to give a little caveat
34:13
because it's going to be connected to my answer.
34:17
I always talk about how I have, you know, Siren
34:21
talked about me being a bull before. I was a
34:24
bull straight up because of Michael C. Keys and
34:27
Inklets podcast. Local. And I talk about me mentoring
34:32
under Michael C. and Mr. Mocha and you. But I
34:37
want to say this. I mean this sincerely. If I
34:40
have any success or show a couple or a woman
34:43
a good time, some of it's my experience before,
34:46
some of it's my research, but a lot of it is
34:49
because of these mentors I have. But I do want
34:51
to say this too. If I fuck up, if I do some stupid
34:54
shit, That's all me. That's none of them. These
34:58
guys are wise beyond their years. And I am nowhere
35:01
even near as wise and as dumb, dope. And not
35:05
that they don't make mistakes, but these guys
35:06
are so dope. And I just want to say that because
35:09
I've talked a lot about on several podcasts on
35:12
how he's my mentor to me. But I haven't done
35:16
anything crazy yet. But if I end up making a
35:17
huge mistake, it's because of my ignorant ass.
35:20
But the answer to your question is that. I say
35:24
educate yourself and get a mentor. That's what
35:28
the brotherhood is about. It's about iron sharpening
35:33
iron. I educate myself. You don't have to research
35:36
as much as I do. I go crazy. I get research papers
35:40
automatically sent to me that are on college
35:44
papers on the lifestyle on all levels. I read
35:48
several books on the subject all the time. I
35:50
do. anthropological research on this stuff. I'm
35:53
ridiculous. You don't have to be like me. But
35:55
talk to some people. Sit down with a couple that
35:58
you see. First, I would say find a couple, even
36:01
if it's online, that are living the lifestyle
36:03
the way you want to see it. If you want to do
36:06
it the way we do, it is one of the toughest dynamics,
36:11
in my opinion. But very rewarding. I wouldn't
36:16
say it's more rewarding than any other dynamic.
36:19
We both have to deal with each other playing.
36:21
And both of us are fucking horny ass motherfuckers.
36:24
Straight up. And, you know, women are always
36:29
going to get more than men. And I don't want
36:31
the numbers she has because I want to work a
36:33
little more. But I would say, you know, three
36:36
things. One, be your authentic self. That's the
36:39
biggest thing that all of my mentors and who
36:42
have always taught me. Be your authentic self
36:44
no matter what that is. You know. Number two.
36:48
You know, find someone that you can see that
36:52
if you're a bull, find a bull. If you're a stag
36:55
and vixen couple, if you're a cuckoo couple,
36:57
whatever your dynamic is, find somebody doing
36:59
it successful. And hear what they have to say.
37:02
Don't take what they say as law. Use your own
37:05
common sense. And then I would say educate yourself.
37:09
At least a movie every now and again. If you
37:13
don't listen to a podcast. talk to chat gbt you
37:16
can literally just push a button and have a conversation
37:18
with it or you know listen you know any of the
37:22
podcasts that you know we promote or other ones
37:25
or go go somewhere do something to educate yourself
37:27
because success leaves clues and you don't have
37:31
to figure this thing out and when i got in um
37:34
i got in fearful i got in like what if a husband
37:38
that you know, the wife was lying about comes
37:42
in and shoots us all, you know, because I'm crazy
37:43
like that and not come from crazy situations
37:46
like that. And so I came at it like I want to
37:50
see what everything can go wrong. And then I
37:52
want to see if there's an answer to it. And not
37:54
that there is an answer to that. Sometimes you
37:56
just have to take the risk and take. But I say
38:00
educate yourself as much as you can so you can
38:02
avoid the common pitfalls. Like if you're not
38:05
everybody, every lifestyle podcast book. you
38:09
know, mentor says communication, not one. There's
38:11
not one that doesn't say that. So why get into
38:15
a relationship? Let's say you're a staggered,
38:17
fixing couple and you guys don't have strong
38:19
communication. Why, why learn that by trial and
38:23
error? Everybody I see either has a lot of traumatic
38:26
experiences or they get out, took a lot of the
38:28
lifestyles, not for them, you know, educate yourself
38:30
so that you can learn some of the basics. That's
38:34
what got me here. You know, I just kept. I mean,
38:37
interviewing people, talking to people, reading
38:39
books, everything I can get my hands on. Well,
38:42
I tell you what, those are two great answers.
38:44
And coming from the male's point of view, Socrates,
38:49
you hit it on the head. I would tell somebody
38:54
just starting out, even as a couple, find it
38:59
for the male, for the husband. Find that bull.
39:02
Find that bull who will sit down. And we'll be
39:06
as honest with you about this life as possible.
39:11
I've been in this game for 30 years, 30 plus
39:14
years, as you know. But yeah, I started at 26,
39:19
you know, so 30 plus years. But when I started,
39:24
I didn't have a male, you know, mentor to sit
39:29
down with. My mentor was actually a female that
39:32
got me into everything. So I went through trial
39:35
and error, like you said. So I know what it's
39:38
like to have fuck -ups in the lifestyle and to
39:41
learn and, what's my favorite word, evolve as
39:48
you get older. And that is what's happened to
39:51
me. So now I'm in a whole other situation now.
39:56
Although I still love to play, but I have evolved
39:59
so much now. You know, it's pathetic. But here
40:02
again, I won't get into all that. But those are
40:04
two great answers. I mean, two great answers.
40:07
And ladies and gentlemen, if you are listening
40:09
right now to the ones who are listening, whether
40:11
you are a bull, whether you are a unicorn, a
40:16
cuckoldress, hot wife, whatever, this is what
40:19
I call a true couple, a true, a real couple in
40:22
the hot wife lifestyle. To be honest, you guys
40:27
have surpassed all the questions that I had tonight.
40:32
I mean, is there anything that you want to say
40:34
to the audience here in commentary before we
40:37
close it off for the night? Yeah, well, I want
40:39
to say thanks for all the accolades, but don't
40:41
get it twisted. We make mistakes. And we have
40:45
knock -down, drag -out arguments. And we curse
40:49
each other out sometimes. Not me. Oh, yeah, my
40:53
bad. I do. you know and but you know so i'm not
40:59
here to to paint a rosy picture but what i am
41:02
saying is this is my ride or die and this is
41:04
the woman i can you know i admire because she
41:07
takes accountability for herself she will apologize
41:09
and say i'm sorry my bad daddy i was you know
41:12
this or that and she's made strides and so many
41:15
other areas besides the lifestyle that i'm just
41:18
in awe of this woman and so i would just say
41:22
Thank you so much for doing this interview, brother.
41:24
And thank you for being part of our council,
41:27
my council, you know, of wise men that I have
41:30
in my life that I can turn to for wisdom. You
41:34
know I've turned to you for so many things and
41:37
I continue to. And that's, you know, I'm living
41:40
this. I'm here partially because I got a squad
41:44
of brothers that hold me accountable. And I call
41:48
me on my shit. You know, sometimes they say,
41:50
you know, what you doing is bitch ass right now.
41:52
You know, and or also they've said, dude, you
41:56
part of the squad. Raise your chin up, man. Let's
41:59
go. You got this, brother. You, you, you know.
42:02
And so, you know, that I want to thank you for
42:05
being part of that. And I want to thank my lovely
42:08
wife for giving me a life that I dreamed of that
42:11
people said wasn't possible. Man, I'm still saying
42:16
something after that. I was just thinking of
42:19
just what a blessing it is to just, you know,
42:22
and so grateful that every day I get to walk,
42:27
wake up next to a hot black man. And I'm very,
42:33
very fortunate for that. You know, the first
42:36
thing I see every morning when I open my eyes
42:39
is him. And then we just... we just have such
42:44
a good routine with each other. We get up, we
42:47
pray every morning with each other, we have coffee
42:50
in the hot tub and just go through our day. And
42:53
I'm just fortunate to be with somebody who is
42:56
always wanting to grow, learn, and learn to love
42:59
me better and to just perfect his craft, whether
43:03
that's being the best husband, being the best
43:05
businessman, or being the best bull. He's always
43:09
just working towards, you know, being being better
43:13
so um i'm just i'm just blown away by him every
43:18
day and i think he's so amazing and and it's
43:20
i just love all of you guys that are in the squad
43:23
as we say um just to be surrounded by a bunch
43:27
of true kings um is really really a great experience
43:31
so thank you so much for having us on that was
43:37
absolutely beautiful and ladies and gentlemen
43:39
this will conclude Another broadcast, another
43:44
episode of the Bull Brotherhood. Again, I'm your
43:47
host, D. Morgan, a .k .a. the Sigma Male, the
43:51
Long Wolf. And again, we have been talking to
43:55
my brother, Socrates, and his lovely queen, Siren.
44:00
And until we do another podcast and meet again,
44:04
as always, to my brothers and bulls out there,
44:08
good night. And to my ladies and high wives.
44:11
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