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Robert Pattinson Headlines The Most Unnerving True-Crime Movie Of the Year · Murder Files Unsealed

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Speaker 1: So we generally expect the justice system to work like,
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I don't know, like an X ray machine.
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Speaker 2: Right, yeah, like a very clinical process.
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Speaker 1: Exactly. You commit a crime, the evidence shows up on
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the scan, and boom, the gabble comes down. Good guys,
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bad guys. It's binary.
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Speaker 2: Sure.
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Speaker 1: But back in the mid two thousands, network television essentially
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got a hold of that X ray machine and they
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just cranked the radiation to absolutely lethal levels.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they really did.
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Speaker 1: And they turned those scans into like primetime entertainment.
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Speaker 2: Which completely fractured the way the American public understood the
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entire relationship between the media and the law.
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Speaker 1: Because, I mean, think about it, as of today, August eight,
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twenty twenty six, you and I are living in a
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golden age of bingeable true crime.
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Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, it's everywhere. Right.
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Speaker 1: You open literally any streaming app right now, and you
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are immediately flooded with limited series, deep dive shows and
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these slickly produced documentaries.
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Speaker 2: And they all take, you know, real profound human suffering
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and turn it into something you just casually consume on
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a Tuesday night while you're folding your laundry.
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Speaker 1: Exactly, But we rarely stop to ask ourselves why we're
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so obsessed with it? Like, how did we get to
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this point where human Ruin is just standard evening programming.
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It's a great question, and that brings us to today's
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deep dive. We are looking at a detailed preview and
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a critical analysis of what is definitely shaping up to
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be the most unnerving film of the year, oh without
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a doubt, the upcoming a twenty four release Primetime.
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Speaker 2: What's fascinating here is that this film is not it's
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not your standard run of the mill bio pic, you know.
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It is operating entirely as a psychological thriller. It drops
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Robert Pattinson directly into the role of Chris Hansen, which
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is just wild casting, it really is, and it chronicles
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the meteoric rise and the devastating fall of the mid
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two thousands NBC phenomenon to catch a Predator. Yeah, but
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it's doing so by interrogating this very specific moment in
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American media history, a moment that permanently, and I mean
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permanently blurred the line between journalism, law enforcement, and basically
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tabloid theater exactly.
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Speaker 1: And our mission today for this deep dive isn't just
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to preview a movie and tell you who is in it.
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Speaker 2: Right, there's way more to it.
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Speaker 1: We are going to unpack the actual machinery of how
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real human suffering and criminal predation were packaged into primetime entertainment,
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and how this new film intends to hold a mirror
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right up to us the viewers. So okay, love unpack
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this because to really understand the massive amount of buzz
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around this film right now, we have to start with
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its most striking element, the casting. The casting, Yes, and
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that deeply uncanny trailer that has just been dropping in
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waves throughout twenty twenty six.
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Speaker 2: I mean, the industry footprint of this film is massive.
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We are talking about a world premiere slated for the
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eighty third Venice International Film Festival on September fifth.
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Speaker 1: Wow.
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Speaker 2: Venis yeah, and it's not just screening out of competition.
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It is in competition for the Golden Lion, which is huge.
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It really is that instantly elevates this from a standard
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commercial media sattire into the realm of high art. It's
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directed by Lance Oppenheim, making his narrative feature debut, written
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by Ajan Singh and produced by just an absolute powerhouse team. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: The production credits are insane.
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Speaker 2: You have Ari Astor and Lars Nidsen under their square
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Peg banner Range Media Partners, and Pattinson himself producing through
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his Icky Eneo Arlow Company, and.
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Speaker 1: The release date is right after that, right yep.
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Speaker 2: Wide release is hitting right after Veitness on September twenty fifth,
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with a run time hovering right around an hour and
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fifty minutes.
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Speaker 1: So that producing credit for Pattinson is a massive signal
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of intent, like he really believes in this. Oh absolutely, Well,
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let's look at him as the leading man here, because
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his post Twilight career trajectory has been basically a masterclass
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in dismantling the teen idle image. Really, we saw him
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as the desperate bank robbing loaner in good time, than
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descending into absolute madness.
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Speaker 2: In The Lighthouse.
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Speaker 1: That's good performance, incredible and exploring all that creeping Gothic
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dread in the Devil all the time and playing a
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very weary, grungy batman. Right, But stepping into the shoes
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of Chris Hansen that requires an entirely different toolkit. It
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does because he isn't hiding behind heavy prosthetics or like
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a fat suit. It is a completely internal transformation.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, It is entirely about micro expressions and posture. If
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you look closely at the production notes and the trailer footage,
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the performance is just anchored by his measured, very specific
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Midwestern cadence.
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Speaker 1: Yes, that voice, and.
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Speaker 2: Above all, it's the professional detachment.
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Speaker 1: I really want to dig into that detachment actually, because
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there is a moment in the trailer where he slips
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into that signature sports coade.
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Speaker 2: Oh, I know the exact moment you're talking about, and he.
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Speaker 1: Perfectly delivers the line that became like an absolute internet
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meme legend. Right, why don't you have a seat. Yeah,
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it's chilling, but it doesn't feel like a punchline in
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the trailer. It feels terrifying. Why does that specific delivery
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work so.
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Speaker 2: Well well, because that Midwestern flat news anchor delivery is
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fundamentally disarming design to sound totally reasonable. When a man
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walks into a suburban kitchen expecting to meet a child
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and instead finds a man in a turtleneck and a
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blazer asking him to take a seat, the immediate psychological
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response is confusion, not panic.
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Speaker 1: That makes sense.
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Speaker 2: Pattinson captures how that detachment basically masks the trap closing
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around them. It's an assertion of absolute psychological dominance.
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Speaker 1: Wo oh yeah.
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Speaker 2: He is speaking softly because he knows he holds every
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single card in the room. He has the cameras, he
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has the transcripts, and he has the police waiting outside.
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The chilling part is watching a journalist deploy that kind
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of power with the slickness of a game show host.
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Speaker 1: And the trailer brilliantly expands on that game show mentality,
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I think by showing the network ambition surrounding him. Oh. Absolutely,
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It isn't just about the ten inside the stinghouses. It
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is about the corporate machinery back in New York. There
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is this incredible moment of metacasting where Jeff Zucker, the
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actual former NBC executive, plays himself, which is just.
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Speaker 2: A brilliant touch that shatters the fourth wall just a
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little bit, you know.
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Speaker 1: It's wild. Zucker delivers this backhanded endorsement to Hanson in
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the trailer. He essentially says, Look, I don't particularly like
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the show, but America loves it, so I'm moving it
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to nine pm primetime.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the cynical network mandate exactly.
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Speaker 1: And then you see Pattinson's Hanson celebrating in a brightly
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lit network Hallway bragging that this series is going to
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be bigger than Lost.
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Speaker 2: Right, which was massive at the time.
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Speaker 1: It's like watching Doctor Frankenstein realize his monster isn't just walking,
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it's winning a popularity contest.
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Speaker 2: That's a great way to put it.
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Speaker 1: But I have to push back on this entire premise
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for a second. We have seen Hollywood do this before.
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Sure does casting a charismatic, incredibly good looking, a list
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heart throb like Robert Pattinson as a journalistic watchdog inherently
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risk glamorizing the exact media excess the film is trying
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and critique like, are they just accidentally making Chris Hansen
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look cool?
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Speaker 2: Right? Well, that is the trap that ruins most Hollywood satires, Right, Yeah,
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they accidentally make the thing they are critiquing look aspirational. Yes,
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think about The Wolf of Wall Street. A lot of
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people completely missed the critique and just wanted to be
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Jordan bill Fort. Oh but looking at the visual language
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Oppenheim is using here, he seems to be weaponizing Pattinson's
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innate charisma against the audience.
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Speaker 1: Oh interesting, How so.
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Speaker 2: The brilliance of this friction is that Pattinson's star power
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forces you to confront your own attraction to the spectacle.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 2: You are drawn in by his magnetism, by the slickness
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of his suits, and the absolute command he has over
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a room, only to slowly realize that you are becoming
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complicit in a deeply troubling ethical environment. Wow, you are
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supposed to feel seduced by the slickness, precisely because that
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is exactly how the network executives and the American public
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felt in two thousand and six.
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Speaker 1: Man, we were entirely seduced. And to really grasp why
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seeing Patents and Hanson celebrating in a hallway feel so
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eerie today, we need to trace the actual history of
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the show that inspired the film. Definitely, I mean, think
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back to two thousand and four for a minute. Your
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viewing habits aren't fragmented across a dozen streaming platforms, yet
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not at all. You are watching what the networks tell you.
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Speaker 2: To act, right, And in two thousand and four, To
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Catch a Predator first began really quietly, just as recurring
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investigative segments on Dateline NBC.
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Speaker 1: But the mechanics of it were entirely novel like, almost
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science fiction. For television at the time.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was completely new.
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Speaker 1: Chris Hanson, who was an established correspondent, partnered with an
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online watchdog group called Perverted Justice.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 1: The setup was that civilian volunteers from this group basically
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posed as underage teens in chat.
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Speaker 2: Rooms, yeah, the early days of chatrooms.
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Speaker 1: Exactly. They would engage with adult men who expressed sexual interest,
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and they would arrange an in person meeting.
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Speaker 2: But the meeting point was a decoy house in the suburbs,
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fully rigged with hidden cameras everywhere. Right, when the men arrived,
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they didn't find a teenager. They walked into a trap.
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They found Chris Hansen, a massive production crew hiding in
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the garage, and eventually local law enforcement waiting to make
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an arrest.
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Speaker 1: And the result was absolute rating's gold. I mean, by
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two thousand and six, this show was a cultural juggernaut.
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Speaker 2: Oh, it was massive.
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Speaker 1: Reality television was in its imperial expansion phase. You know,
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Lost was dominating the culture, and right alongside it was
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to Catch Predator.
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Speaker 2: People were having watch parties for it.
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Speaker 1: Yes, the catchphrases entered the National Lexicon. Congress even formally
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praised the effort for millions of people sitting on their couches.
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This felt like a civic service wrapped in the shiny
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bow of network entertainment.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, But let me.
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Speaker 1: Challenge that narrative a bit. Was it really just bloodlust
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from the audience.
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Speaker 2: That's a fair question.
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Speaker 1: Weren't people genuinely terrified the early Internet? I mean, chat
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rooms were a new frontier. Parents didn't understand them, and
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this show felt like it was finally shining a light
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into a very dark, very real danger.
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Speaker 2: You are absolutely hitting on why it was so successful.
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It wasn't pure bloodlust, It was anxiety.
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Speaker 1: Anxiety right the.
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Speaker 2: Early two thousands Internet was a total black box for
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most parents. The show provided this profound sense of moral
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clarity in an era of technological confusion.
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Speaker 1: That makes total sense.
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Speaker 2: You had undeniable villains, predators being publicly humiliated and arrested.
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It was deeply satisfying because it offered a tangible solution
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to an invisible threat. But media theorists studying this era
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break down what they call the dual rush of the program.
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Speaker 1: The duel.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, there was the moral satisfaction of justice being served,
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but riding right alongside it was a purely voyeuristic thrill ah.
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Speaker 1: The voyeurism of watching a life basically disintegrate in real time.
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Speaker 2: Exactly. It echoes the historical appeal of like the public
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stocks or public executions.
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Speaker 1: Wow.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the audience was participating in a communal shaming ritual
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under the bright, unforgiving lights of network television. And you
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see this dynamic perfectly in Hanson's methodical questioning.
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Speaker 1: Right the way he would drag it out, Exactly.
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Speaker 2: He wouldn't just jump out and yell gotcha and called police.
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He prolonged the interaction. He would ask things like what
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would have happened if I wasn't here? Or you see
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how this looks? Right?
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Speaker 1: He was giving them enough rope to hang themselves on
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national television exactly. He was a listening of performance of guilt.
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The cycle was so reliable, the confrontation, the immediate often
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absurd denial, the slow crumbling into confession or panic, and
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finally the dramatic arrest. It fed this intense interest in
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the mechanics of exposure.
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Speaker 2: Which brings us to the core tension of Primetime. If
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the surface of the television show was civic justice, the
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behind the scenes reality was a complete ethical minefield.
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Speaker 1: Oh for sure.
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Speaker 2: The film fundunctions as a multi perspective study of this machinery,
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and the ensemble cast they've assembled is designed to show
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every single gear in that machine.
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Speaker 1: Let's look at who Oppenheim actually cast to build this
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corporate ecosystem, because it's a great lineup. You have Merrit
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Weaver stepping into a producer role basically modeled on a
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Marsha Bartel type figure, and knowing Weaver's previous work, she
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isn't just going to play a generic network suit. She
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represents the relentless, unyielding drive for ratings, like the person
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calculating the cost of a camera crew against the advertising
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revenue of a successful sting.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that colls calculation exactly.
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Speaker 1: Then you have Skyler Gussando playing Dan Plum, this young
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actor working as a sting decoy. Phoebe Bridges makes her
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feature acting Dedu, which is a massive cultural.
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Speaker 2: Crossover, huge crossover.
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Speaker 1: Anna Faris plays Mary Joan Hansen, Chris's wife. Tony Revelorie
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appears as a cought predator alongside heavy hitters like Matthew Moore,
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Bokeem Woodbine, and Sean Bridgers.
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Speaker 2: If we connect this to the bigger picture, this ensemble
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is portraying a deeply, deeply troubling alliance. You have a
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massive commercial network trying to sell advertising space. You have
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a civilian vigilante group perverted Justice, which by the way,
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was actually being paid consulting fees by the network. Wow,
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and then you have local police departments.
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Speaker 1: Okay, let's camp out on that for a second, because
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the legality of that is just mind bending to me.
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A network paying a civilian group who is then coordinating
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with local police.
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Speaker 2: Right, It's wild. It is the exact partnership that ethicists
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and the FITS attorneys at the time were sound in
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the alarm about. I bet the primary product of this
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alliance was not necessarily justice. Yes, arrests were made and
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criminals were taken off the streets, which is the civic
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defense of the show, obviously, but the true commodity being
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produced was public humiliation. You had a commercial enterprise funding
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a sting operation where television producers were influencing operational decisions
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on the ground.
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Speaker 1: That's just so dangerous.
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Speaker 2: It is men were being filmed in their moments of
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maximum vulnerability and panic, and that raw emotion was being
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packaged for broadcast. It walked a razor thin line between journalism,
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law enforcement assistance, and pure tabloid theater.
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Speaker 1: And the psychological toll of that environment on the people
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working there must have been immense. Oh absolutely, I really
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want to zero in on Skylar Jasando's role playing the decoy.
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We usually see Jasando in these comedic, slightly awkward, endearing roles,
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which makes his casting here pretty brilliant. Definitely think about
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the reality of being a decore. It's like asking a
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civilian to go undercover in a high stakes mob sting,
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but making sure they hit their lighting marks for the
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camera while they do it right.
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Speaker 2: It's bizarre.
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Speaker 1: I constantly questioned the psychological weight of that. You are
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a young actor impersonating a child, absorbing the horrific explicit
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intentions of these adult men in chat rooms, and then
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sitting in a house waiting for them to arrive. Yeah,
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all while a producer is literally whispering in your earpiece
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to keep them talking until the camera gets the right angle.
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Speaker 2: It is an incredibly fraught position. The cognitive dissonance of
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that job is staggering. I can't even imagine you have
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to navigate the moral and psychological trauma of interacting with
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a predator while simultaneously fulfilling the mundane technical demands of
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a television production schedule, like keep them in.
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Speaker 1: The kitchen, the lighting is better there, exactly.
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Speaker 2: It highlights the absurdity and the danger of the entire enterprise.
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You have civilians essentially acting as bait in a pseudo
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law enforcement operation heavily funded by a media conglomerate solely
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to generate compelling television.
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Speaker 1: Which brings us to the inevitable moment when that fragile
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ethical tightrope finally snapped. You cannot have a commercial television
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production dictating the terms of law enforcement stings without eventually
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colliding with devastating real world consequences.
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Speaker 2: No, you really can't.
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Speaker 1: This is the thematic climax of the original series History,
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and it is going to be the central pivot point.
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Speaker 2: In the film The Texas Tragedy.
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Speaker 1: Right, So, in November two thousand and six in Murphy, Texas,
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there was a multi day sting operation conducted by Perverted
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Justice and dateline. Yeah, dozens of men arrived at this
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bait house, but one man, a fifty six year old
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assistant district attorney from neighboring Rockwell County named Louis Bill
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Conrad Junior. He never showed up right. He had been
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engaged in explicit online chats with a decoy who was
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posing as a thirteen year old.
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Speaker 2: Boy, but because he didn't appear at the decoy house,
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the standard television confrontation couldn't happen, right, But the operation
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didn't let the league go. Instead, local police obtained arrest
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warrants and went to Conrad's home in Terrell, and crucially,
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they were accompanied by the NBC camera crew.
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Speaker 1: Now we're going to lay out the facts of this
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incident and the subsequent lawsuit exactly as they occurred, as
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reported by our sources, because it is a very complex
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legal and ethical moment, and we're just looking at the
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facts here. Absolutely, upon entry by the heavily armed police,
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Conrad shot himself. The cameras captured the immediate aftermath of
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this fatal event, and remarkably, the episode later aired, incorporating
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the tragedy into the narrative of the investigation.
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Speaker 2: The fallout from that was immediate. Conrad's sister filed one
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hundred and five million dollars wrongful death lawsuit against NBC Universal.
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Speaker 1: Wow.
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Speaker 2: If you dig into the legal filings of the Conrad case.
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The lawsuit basically alleged that the network's presence, their desire
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for compelling television footage, and the pressure of the television
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production unduly influenced the police tactics I see. The argument
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was that this pressure escalated a situation that could have
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been handled quietly without a swat team and national media
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cameras ultimately contributing to the fatal confrontation.
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Speaker 1: And NBC's defense naturally relied heavily on First Amendment protections.
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They argued they were merely journalists documenting lawful police activity
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and that they couldn't be held legally responsible for the
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independent actions of law enforcement or the tragic decision made
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by the suspect.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 1: Ultimately, the lawsuit did not go to trial. The party
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settled out of court. Now we aren't here to play
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judge and jury on the network's legal culpability. But regardless
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of the financial settlement, the cultural impact of this moment
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was seismic.
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Speaker 2: Oh Completely.
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Speaker 1: By early two thousand and eight, the series had effectively ended.
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Speaker 2: It had to end because that single incident in Texas
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crystallized every single ethical criticism that had been leveled at
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the series for years. YEA, it forced the media establishment
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and the public to finally ask the hard questions, did
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the drive for ratings dictate police behavior? Is the very
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presence of a national television camera crew a form of
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psychological escalation.
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Speaker 1: It's are huge questions, and.
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Speaker 2: Ultimately, does the public interest in catching predators justify outsourcing
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police work to an entertainment corporation?
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Speaker 1: So you have this massive tragedy steeped in reality TV, excess,
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corporate liability, and human death. If Hollywood decides to make
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a movie about this, the instant is usually to turn
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it into a preachy, moralizing courtroom drama. Right, Sure, like
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Aaron Sorkins style monologues about the First Amendment.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, lots of walking and talking exactly.
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Speaker 1: But A twenty four didn't do that. By handing this
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to Lance Oppenheim, they completely changed the genre of the film.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, because Oppenheim comes entirely from a documentary background, and
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his frmography is deeply telling about how he approaches his subjects.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 2: He directed Some Kind of Heaven, which was this surreal
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look at the mass of Florida retirement community the Villages.
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He directed sperm World, exploring the very informal, unregulated online
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marketplace for sperm donation, both fascinating subjects, and recently the
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HBO series Renfair, which chronicled a bizarre succession battle at
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a massive Texas Renaissance festival.
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Speaker 1: I watched ren Fair, actually, and what he achieved there
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was astounding, wasn't it. Yeah? He has this unique ability
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to find the systemic weirdness inside American subcultures without sensationalizing
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the people them. He doesn't point and laugh, you know.
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He finds the Shakespearean drama in the mundane precisely.
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Speaker 2: And that is why transitioning him into scripted narrative for
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primetime is so compelling. It gives him the ultimate control
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to reconstruct these historical events while maintaining his documentary observational skills.
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Speaker 1: Makes sense.
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Speaker 2: He brought on cinematographer David Bolin and composer Ari Belusian.
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They filmed in New Orleans and early twenty twenty five
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under the working title Bluefin Tuna.
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Speaker 1: Bluefin Tuna.
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Speaker 2: That's a great working title, right, and the visual language
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they are creating is described in the production notes as
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bringing atmospheric dread rather than documentary realism.
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Speaker 1: Now Here's where it gets really interesting to me. The
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industry comparisons that are already floating around.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of chatter.
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Speaker 1: People are heavily comparing Primetime to Dan Gilroy's twenty fourteen
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film Night Crawler starring Jake Jillenhall.
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Speaker 2: The thematic DNA is definitely related there. Both films feature
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protagonists whose professional success relies entirely on moral flexibility and
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a hunger for dramatic, often tragic images. Right, But the
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contrast between the two is what makes Primetime so vital.
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Night Crawler was a sharp satire of late capitalist local
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news stringers. Jillenhall's character was a lone wolf hustling on
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the night shift for a few hundred bucks, manipulating crime scenes.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was very grassroots in a gritty way.
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Speaker 2: Exactly. Primetime operates on a massively different scale. This isn't
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the guy with a camcorder and a hatchback. This is
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national appointment television backed by millions of dollars in advertising.
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It is examining this specific historical moment when that kind
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of predatory framing became a pop culture phenomenon, endorsed by
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network executives in boardrooms.
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Speaker 1: It's the institutional backing that makes it so much more insidious.
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I think it's an entire corporate ecosystem that basically agreed
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this was fine, and that aligns perfectly with Ari Astor's
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role as a producer here. If you look at Astor's
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films like Hereditary midsomar Bo Is Afraid, his signature focus
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is always on the horrors that arise from ordinary, accepted
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social systems. He finds the terror in the things we
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all agree are normal, a family dynamic, a Swedish festival,
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or in this case, a Tuesday night television show, which.
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Speaker 2: Brings us to the most crucial point of this entire analysis. Really, Okay,
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the original To Catch a Predator died in two thousand
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and eight, but it's DNA survived, it mutated. We have
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to ask why is this film so unnerving for an
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audience today in twenty twenty.
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Speaker 1: Six, right because the format has completely metastasized. What Chris
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Hansen and NBC did with massive budgets, network lawyers and
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police coordination is now being done by like random teenagers
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with iPhones.
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Speaker 2: It's everywhere.
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Speaker 1: YouTube, TikTok and independent predator hunter channels are proliferating online.
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They were doing these stings with zero oversight no legal training,
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and arguably even more theatricality purely for clicks, clout and
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ad revenue. True Crime remains this massive, unstoppable engagement engine,
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and that.
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Speaker 2: Is the modern reckoning that Primetime is forcing.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: The real subject of this film isn't just the predator,
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and it isn't even just Chris Hansen who is it.
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The subject is the system, and crucially the subject is
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the audience. The film functions as a contemporary critique masquerading
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as a period piece.
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Speaker 1: Wow Yeah.
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Speaker 2: The early reviews and trailer reactions note that the film
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feels genuinely dangerous to watch because it is daring the
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audience to explain exactly why twenty years later they keep
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watching Human Ruin as entertainment.
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Speaker 1: It aggressively turns the mirror on us. And speaking of
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turning the mirror, I have to mention Chris Hansen's actual
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real life reaction to this film being made right. In
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a May twenty twenty sixth interview, he was asked about it.
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He expressed mild surprise at the trailer. He acknowledged the
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production had reached out to him previously. He asked not
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to discuss it extensively, but he did politely call the
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trailer very dramatic.
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Speaker 2: It is a very measured, pr savvy response from a
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man who understands media cycles and optics better than almost anyone,
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oh for sure.
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Speaker 1: But it creates this bizarre Uncanny Valley effect.
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Speaker 2: You know, how do you mean?
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Speaker 1: While you have the real Chris Hanson giving this polite,
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reserved comment in the present day, juxtaposed with Robert Pattinson
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completely almost demonically inhabiting Hanson's on screen persona from twenty
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years ago, it's just surreal to watch art and reality.
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Clyde like that.
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Speaker 2: It speaks to the ongoing spectacle of it all. The
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cultural afterlife of To Catch a Predator is still generating views,
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it is still generating memes, and now it is generating
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high art cinema right. Oppenheim and his team are forcing
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a cultural confrontation with that afterlife.
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Speaker 1: So what does this all mean for us? We've traced
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a journey from a two thousand and four television experiment
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that was hailed by Congress as a public service all
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the way to a twenty twenty six psychological thriller that
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treats that exact same experiment as an American nightmare.
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Speaker 2: It's a huge shift in perspective.
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Speaker 1: Primetime promises to be an unsettling excavation of our media consumption.
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But I want to leave you with a final thought
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that builds on everything we've just unpacked today.
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Speaker 2: The legacy of that ethical gray area.
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Speaker 1: Exactly. We started by talking about that X ray machine,
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how we crave moral clarity, how we want the bad
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guys neatly separated from the good guys, right, And we've
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spent this time talking about the ethics of the cameras,
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the producers, and the network trying to manufacture that clarity
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for us in high definition. But what if the lasting
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damage of the true crime boom isn't just about the
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criminal's caught or the millions of dollars in lawsuits settled?
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Speaker 2: What do you think it's about?
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Speaker 1: What if it is about the permanent alteration of our
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own empathy?
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Speaker 2: Oh wow?
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Speaker 1: When we as an audience require real life human destruction
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to be neatly packaged with dramatic music, multiple camera angles,
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and catchy one liners just to hold our attention on
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a Tuesday night, do we lose the ability to distinguish
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between actual civic justice and mere blood sport.
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Speaker 2: That's a haunting question.
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Speaker 1: Because if the X ray machine is broken, we are
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the ones who smashed it just to see what the
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pieces look like on TV. Something to think about the
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next time your streaming service automatically auto plays the next
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true crime doc.
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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for joining us for this deep
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dive into the sources.