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Patriots Unfiltered 12/10: Bills Preview, Vrabel Presser/Reaction, Locker Room Report · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 3: The worlds of vegetal podcasts.
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  Speaker 4: Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. But go into this game thinking
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  Speaker 4: we're eleven and two. We're good, you know, and we
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  Speaker 4: beat them the first time.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know who you're trying to fight out or why?
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  Speaker 2: And and the Oughts yeah and no chance. Okay, so
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  Speaker 2: hear me out. Don't interrupt me, just I just let
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  Speaker 1: But Evan's right, why b YU only lost tex Texas?
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  Speaker 1: They lost choice of Texas Tech?
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  Speaker 2: We said we're gonna briefly talk about college.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry every and I I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 6: I'm so sorry. When we were talking about the Broncos
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  Speaker 6: and the Raiders, I was joking. I was being facetious
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  Speaker 6: for you. As they said. The amount of bitching that
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  Speaker 6: goes on on social media between fan bases in ours
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  Speaker 2: This, okay, and I imagine your timeline.
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  Speaker 6: I say this with all the love in my heart.
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  Speaker 6: Please go touch grass, like, go do something else? Do
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  Speaker 6: you want the Patriots clinching scenarios this weekend.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yes, please, sure, all right, they can clinch.
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  Speaker 1: A playoff for its six different ways.
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  Speaker 3: I don't care your punctuation, Jordan is absolutely terrible.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. I don't know if you're doing that on purpose
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  Speaker 2: or what.
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  Speaker 3: The fact that I got through the email the way
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  Speaker 3: I did is a credit to me. I'm not concerned
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  Speaker 3: about it. I'm concerned that fans are concerned about it.
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  Speaker 1: This is Patriots.
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  Speaker 2: All right, welcome the Patriots Unfiltered.
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  Speaker 3: It is Wednesday here at to Let's Stadium, and Alex,
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  Speaker 3: we need our show monitor on the board over here.
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  Speaker 2: I can't see myself anyway. It is Alex.
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  Speaker 1: Let's see how it all looks.
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  Speaker 2: Alex in the booth.
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  Speaker 3: It's Evan, it's Paul, it's me, it's Deuce, and we're
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  Speaker 3: here talking about Patriots. It's uh, open the book day,
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  Speaker 3: not turn the page. It's opened the book day on
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  Speaker 3: the Buffalo bills.
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  Speaker 7: Oh, my book's been open, friends. Oh yeah, I haven't
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  Speaker 7: been grinding. Evan's even an eye on Baltimore too.
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  Speaker 2: I think yes, Okay, you're already looking ahead. You're doing
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  Speaker 2: the advanced scouting.
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  Speaker 1: Watch the Little Ravens life.
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  Speaker 3: So this weekend you want to not go to Gillette,
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  Speaker 3: We'll send you to Baltimore to go watch that game.
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  Speaker 6: I think it's a job. I'd actually really like doing
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  Speaker 6: advanced scouting. Yeah, okay, how come on, I tell you that.
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  Speaker 6: You say no, no, no, I'm not interested in because, like
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  Speaker 6: I don't want to take myself that seriously. I don't
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  Speaker 6: want to have that big of an ego to think
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  Speaker 6: that I actually could.
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  Speaker 1: Why not? But I I that piece of it, I
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  Speaker 1: probably is my favorite.
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  Speaker 2: I read your your you know what do you call it?
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  Speaker 2: Your preview for the game?
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  Speaker 1: Game plan?
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  Speaker 2: Your game plan? Yeah, and it was very good. So
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  Speaker 2: I would I think you could do that?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I really Now. They do it to the end degree.
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  Speaker 6: And they also if you don't try, they also do
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  Speaker 6: a bunch of different other things about, you know, preparing
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  Speaker 6: for the game that aren't just like watching for cool play,
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  Speaker 6: you know.
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  Speaker 3: Like I do it, but like you look at trends,
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  Speaker 3: you're looking for substitution, right, Well.
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  Speaker 1: That's what I mean. They you know, they're watching the sideline.
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  Speaker 6: They're watching substitution Patterns said, like, you know, I'm not
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  Speaker 6: doing that necessarily.
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  Speaker 1: I'm more just watching it.
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  Speaker 2: You couldn't do I feel.
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  Speaker 1: Like maybe, yeah, why not? Thanks? I appreciate that, guys.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, I've been seriously, I've been telling you that for
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  Speaker 8: two years now.
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  Speaker 2: Anyway, take a shot. It's a lonely job, though, it's
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  Speaker 2: a lonely job.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not sure, but like it's that.
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  Speaker 6: That's my favorite part though, is to watch ahead of
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  Speaker 6: you know, the other opponent. You know what, what are
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  Speaker 6: the Bills look like? What do the Ravens look like?
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  Speaker 6: You know whatever? That that's that's fun.
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  Speaker 3: All right ahead, all right, so bills coming up. Weather
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  Speaker 3: has changed, uh oh from yesterday to today. All the
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  Speaker 3: precipitation seems to be gone. Oh yeah, a little bit
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  Speaker 3: cooler than it was, but still in the thirties. But
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  Speaker 3: no precipitation during the game. So we're dry. Yeah it's
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  Speaker 3: dry hopefully.
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  Speaker 2: And Evans thinks that that favors Drake.
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  Speaker 1: May I do the dry weather? Yeah, yeah, sure I do.
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  Speaker 6: I think that. And I'm not saying that he can't,
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  Speaker 6: so it don't make this a big thing. I'm just
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  Speaker 6: saying we haven't seen it. Yet you know, a weather
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  Speaker 6: game in December and January that he goes out there
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  Speaker 6: and plays well and wins. You know, we haven't seen
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  Speaker 6: it yet, Whereas I've seen that a million times with
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  Speaker 6: Josh Allen. You know, Josh Allen, we saw last week, right,
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  Speaker 6: I played in the bad weather in Buffalo and one
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  Speaker 6: played extremely well plenty of times. So I just think that,
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  Speaker 6: you know, this team's that's just a little bit of
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  Speaker 6: an unknown, is how they're going to handle the condition.
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  Speaker 7: I think it's one of the big subplots of just
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  Speaker 7: generally the Bills have been here, they've been around for
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  Speaker 7: a while, They've played in big games.
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  Speaker 1: You know, they're used to this.
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  Speaker 7: We're trying to figure out when the last time the
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  Speaker 7: Patriots played a game this big in their own stadium.
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  Speaker 7: So I think it's an element of unknown as well
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  Speaker 7: for Drake May and you know, and just the team
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  Speaker 7: in general.
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  Speaker 1: Young team.
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  Speaker 7: You know, a team that had turnover, but they haven't
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  Speaker 7: really been in this kind of pressure.
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  Speaker 2: Situe at all nowhere.
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  Speaker 7: So how do they how do they you know, pull
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  Speaker 7: together and come out of a bye and you know,
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  Speaker 7: start this thing back up again. That's that's what I
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  Speaker 7: felt like was kind of a theme we'll hear from
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  Speaker 7: Vrabel here in a little bit. But I think that's,
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  Speaker 7: you know, getting that energy back up, that energy that
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  Speaker 7: you came onto the field with and Monday night football,
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  Speaker 7: you know, how can you get that going again.
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  Speaker 3: We talked about it yesterday. Whether or not it's relevant,
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  Speaker 3: I think it is a little bit. Vrabel is six
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  Speaker 3: and o as a head coach coming out of the by.
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  Speaker 3: I think it matters a little bit. Ye shows that
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  Speaker 3: he keeps his team focused, you know, whichever team.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 3: Obviously we're talking about the Titans, and you know it's
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  Speaker 3: not exactly like they were world beaters, but he had
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  Speaker 3: them six and o coming out of the by.
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  Speaker 6: And they played they barth As the all the numbers
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  Speaker 6: on this he they they've like blown teams out in
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  Speaker 6: Tennessee off the by, like won by multiple scores in
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  Speaker 6: some of those games too. Now I don't know all
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  Speaker 6: the context of know what teams they were playing and
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  Speaker 6: it was her and all. I don't know all the context,
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  Speaker 6: but they've He's done very very well out of the buy.
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  Speaker 2: So so we got that going for us.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was reminded a little bit.
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  Speaker 7: I remember a storyline being the Varibel's teams didn't play
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  Speaker 7: great out of the like training camp, out of the
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  Speaker 7: season openers, that his teams had had some stumbles there.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm not just interesting, more interested.
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  Speaker 7: In what he establishes here and you know, learns from
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  Speaker 7: that first experience.
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  Speaker 1: And yeah, there are things that take good and bad.
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  Speaker 2: Yep, yep. What else do we have to talk about today?
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  Speaker 1: I'm bucked on the Bills.
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  Speaker 8: So one of the things, you know, and I go
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  Speaker 8: and do my show later Fred on Wednesdays. Yeah, one
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  Speaker 8: of the things that I know that they're going to
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  Speaker 8: be talking about today is the points spread, and not
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  Speaker 8: just in New England, you know, So just so people
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  Speaker 8: know right now, I know this is all this stuff
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  Speaker 8: is subject to change. But I think the latest number
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  Speaker 8: that DraftKings has is the Bills are favored in this
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  Speaker 8: game by one and a half, which I found a
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  Speaker 8: little surprising, to be honest, respect And then I looked
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  Speaker 8: and I saw Denver is at home against Green Bay
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  Speaker 8: and they're also underdogs, I believe, by two and a half.
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  Speaker 8: So the Packers are favorite in that game. So clearly
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  Speaker 8: the bookies, the book makers, the houses, the sharps, the touts, oh.
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  Speaker 2: By the way.
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  Speaker 3: They told me they have a new nickname for me,
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  Speaker 3: Freddy Fields. But after this week, maybe I don't.
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  Speaker 1: Want to go one around the office. I'm not sure.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not up on admin level. Here comes Freddy Fields.
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  Speaker 1: I think HR may want to work. Hey, guys, what's
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  Speaker 1: what I did?
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  Speaker 8: Find it a little interesting and Evan, I know you
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  Speaker 8: know you, Yeah, I agree with you.
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  Speaker 1: I disrespect. I think I was a little surprised by it.
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  Speaker 8: And you know, these things and fred will make fun
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  Speaker 8: of me because these things don't generally.
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  Speaker 1: Move my needle one way. You want to know what
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  Speaker 1: moves your need, but Freddie Fields moves his need.
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  Speaker 8: Look at the Patriots have won ten in a row,
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  Speaker 8: the Broncos have won ten in a row, and it
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  Speaker 8: seems like people still don't necessarily believe in though.
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  Speaker 1: Isn't this just like the established hierarchy.
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  Speaker 2: That's what it is.
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  Speaker 6: Gran Bay has been good for the wild Buffalo has
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  Speaker 6: been good.
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  Speaker 3: I get it, and I love to play the disrespect card,
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  Speaker 3: but I've been thinking about it. I think this is
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  Speaker 3: more about respect for Josh Allen than it is disrespect.
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  Speaker 8: For the patri Don't get me wrong, I'm not up
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  Speaker 8: in arms over I get it. It's not something I'm
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  Speaker 8: going to lose any sleepover, but I did find it
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  Speaker 8: interesting and I would be curious to see if it
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  Speaker 8: because they set the lines based on their analytics, and
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  Speaker 8: there's no question that they have some intangible stuff like
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  Speaker 8: Evan just mentioned, you know, the pedigree of Josh Allen
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  Speaker 8: and what Green Bay has done.
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  Speaker 1: That's certainly part of this.
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  Speaker 8: But if it's a bad line quote unquote, I would
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  Speaker 8: expect it to shift in you know, the Patriots, you know,
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  Speaker 8: because of the money, the money the people would be
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  Speaker 8: betting the Patriots. If you think the Patriot's going to
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  Speaker 8: win this game. I'm getting points at home, the Patriots
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  Speaker 8: eleven ten game winning streak, I'm at home. I would
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  Speaker 8: think a lot of money would come in on the
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  Speaker 8: Patriots in that line would slide, you know, closer to
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  Speaker 8: even if not the Patriots being favored by the time
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  Speaker 8: kickoff happens on Sunday. So I think that's something to watch,
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  Speaker 8: something to monitor.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, and there's no doubt that Buffalo just looking at
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  Speaker 6: it up now, it's not by much, but Buffalo is
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  Speaker 6: tenth in DVA right now and the Patriots are fourteenth.
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  Speaker 6: You know, the Dvoa hasn't loved the Patriots really all year.
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  Speaker 6: A lot of that's because of their schedule. It just
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  Speaker 6: for schedule and strength of schedule. But you know, green
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  Speaker 6: Bay's fifth, you know, Denver is down here in the middle,
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  Speaker 6: you know.
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  Speaker 1: So it's just these teams that.
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  Speaker 6: Haven't done it yet, that haven't had the proof of
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  Speaker 6: concept that the analytics, I think do probably say that
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  Speaker 6: Buffalo and Green Bay are a little bit better than
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  Speaker 6: the Patriots and the Broncos despite the records, and that's
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  Speaker 6: how you get it.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like that's how it should be.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, I have a lot of respect for what
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  Speaker 7: Josh Allen and the Bills have done over the last
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  Speaker 7: few years. I mean we've gotten you know, people clap
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  Speaker 7: back at us for loving them too much, but how
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  Speaker 7: can you not respect the player that Josh Allen is
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  Speaker 7: And like I feel like a little bit of an
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  Speaker 7: underdog going in whether the sharps say it or not.
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  Speaker 7: And this is on the Patriots to you know, beat
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  Speaker 7: the five time defending division champs.
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  Speaker 3: And sometimes these point spreads are you know, just way
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  Speaker 3: off and they're proven wrong.
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  Speaker 2: But most of the time money talks, they're they're pretty
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  Speaker 2: much on the nose and that's why they make a
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  Speaker 2: lot of money.
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  Speaker 7: As someone who's lasting the picks against the spread, I
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  Speaker 7: can I can confirm it's difficult.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is, it is, you know.
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  Speaker 3: But uh so I'm not I'm not up in arms
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  Speaker 3: about the Patriots being a point and a half.
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  Speaker 8: No, I am surprised, though. Yeah, I think they're gonna
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  Speaker 8: bail use it. You know, Rabeles is no doubt in
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  Speaker 8: my mind.
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  Speaker 6: I don't know if he's gonna get up there and
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  Speaker 6: say we're yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But that's going to see the spread.
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  Speaker 3: This to me more importantly, if I'm the head coach,
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  Speaker 3: this is your chance to really prove yourself and who
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  Speaker 3: we are.
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  Speaker 5: You know.
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  Speaker 3: We talked about identity, you know, and we're We've done
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  Speaker 3: a good job so far establishing us, but this takes
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  Speaker 3: us to the next level. Were the next step in
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  Speaker 3: establishing our identity. A championship potential game in December that
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  Speaker 3: we can win and if we do, we're the AFC
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  Speaker 3: East champs. This, this is this is important because of that.
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  Speaker 6: There's just it's such a different feel from yeah, you
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  Speaker 6: won the division, but it's because you beat the Jets
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  Speaker 6: and the Dolphins in the last two weeks of the
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  Speaker 6: season and you won the tiebreaker.
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  Speaker 1: Right against Buffaloe versus. You took it.
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  Speaker 3: You know, you against against the team that is the
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  Speaker 3: raining champs five.
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  Speaker 6: Times in a row and you went out there and
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  Speaker 6: you beat them twice in the same season and you
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  Speaker 6: took it. That's just from a morales standpoint, I don't
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  Speaker 6: know how that you can't see that that is just wild.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, it's just the situation of the first game. They
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  Speaker 7: were four and oh they were you know, streaking. You
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  Speaker 7: beat them in their place on a you know, a
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  Speaker 7: night where they were pretty juiced up national time television.
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  Speaker 7: And now they're playing good again. They're you know, they
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  Speaker 7: have their holes, but they're surging right now. This is
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  Speaker 7: when Josh Allen knows it's his time to shine. And
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  Speaker 7: that's you know, those two wins, when you look at them,
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  Speaker 7: even in context, they're they're impressive. If they're able to
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  Speaker 7: pull it off, that's I mean, this is everything you
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  Speaker 7: could ask for, you know, a chance to do it
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  Speaker 7: against the team that has owned the.
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  Speaker 3: Den and and you know, not to make excuses, but
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  Speaker 3: if if you do win this game, you've stopped Josh
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  Speaker 3: Allen and his offense without Milton Williams. You know, so
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  Speaker 3: you're you're manned up and you know made you know,
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  Speaker 3: gut By without your best defensive player, and I think
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  Speaker 3: that means something too sure, you know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I just think it just means a lot in
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  Speaker 1: terms of how.
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  Speaker 8: You don't think know about how they win the game.
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  Speaker 8: But like, I mean, everybody's missing players.
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  Speaker 3: Like I know, but like and some and some overcome
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  Speaker 3: that and some don't know. I want to be one
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  Speaker 3: of those teams that overcome it.
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  Speaker 7: Okay, yeah, I'm just trying to think back. I mean,
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  Speaker 7: remember every time when during the Patriots dynasty run, if
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  Speaker 7: where they lost like to Buffalo early in the season
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  Speaker 7: and then they come back and they're like, okay, you
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  Speaker 7: know in December, like now now is when we you know,
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  Speaker 7: when they.
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  Speaker 1: Lost thirty one to nothing to Buffalo and three.
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  Speaker 9: I mean that's good, that's a good uh.
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  Speaker 1: That was the mind. But they had the book end.
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  Speaker 3: Right, they got Lawyer Malloy, the team was.
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  Speaker 8: I just think those are different situations because those were
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  Speaker 8: generally not good teams and this is two good teams.
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  Speaker 1: You know, like once in a while, the Patriots got upset.
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  Speaker 8: I mean I think it happened three times in the
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  Speaker 8: twenty whatever years by Buffalo.
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  Speaker 1: Ryan Patrick, he was like twenty six. There weren't very
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  Speaker 1: many times where Buffalo look.
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  Speaker 8: One of the times that they had a chance was
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  Speaker 8: with Josh Allen on that Saturday afternoon game here in Foxborough.
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  Speaker 8: The Bills made the playoffs that year. They were actually
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  Speaker 8: pretty good, and they had a chance to come and
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  Speaker 8: win the game here and they fell short. It was
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  Speaker 8: a good game, deal. It was kind of like when
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  Speaker 8: you're learning nineteen right, Yeah, I think it was nineteen.
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  Speaker 1: Thirty three and three. It was against Buffalo.
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  Speaker 8: I think it was a twenty four to seventeen game.
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  Speaker 8: It might have been been earlier than that. I don't
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  Speaker 8: I don't remember exactly what the year was. But it
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  Speaker 8: was kind of like, oh, they didn't just go away
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  Speaker 8: like it kind of expected the Patriots to roll in
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  Speaker 8: this game.
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  Speaker 1: And it was a good game. Yeah.
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  Speaker 8: It was a little back and forth, and you can
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  Speaker 8: kind of see Buffalo was getting better. But usually if
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  Speaker 8: the Patriots would you say, three times three times Buffalo,
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  Speaker 8: usually the Bill stunk. So it was like, okay, yeah,
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  Speaker 8: that was cute, you beat us, you know, but we'll
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  Speaker 8: smacking around the second time.
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  Speaker 3: Wasn't there a stretch you know before Josh Allen that
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  Speaker 3: we were beating them, But there was a stretch of
• 14:32
  Speaker 3: games that were like either one point or overtime or
• 14:35
  Speaker 3: something like that.
• 14:36
  Speaker 6: They had some issues at the end of you know,
• 14:39
  Speaker 6: Brady beginning of McDermott with the Bill's defense. Bill's defense
• 14:43
  Speaker 6: is always given this passing system. I think a lot
• 14:47
  Speaker 6: of it has to do with how much Buffalo disguises
• 14:49
  Speaker 6: and how much the Patriots adjust their routes based off coverage.
• 14:53
  Speaker 6: The Bill's defenses had like Brady had, I don't know
• 14:56
  Speaker 6: we call the clunkers, but like Brady had some like
• 14:59
  Speaker 6: non Brady game it was like not throwing for three
• 15:01
  Speaker 6: fifty and five touchdowns against Buffalo. They had some struggles
• 15:05
  Speaker 6: against the Bills. I don't know what the scores were.
• 15:07
  Speaker 8: But I don't think there were a ton of close games.
• 15:09
  Speaker 1: Just a tiny bit of breaking news. Josh Allen AFC
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: player of the Week.
• 15:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah that makes there you go, all right, okay.
• 15:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you asked more respect all the break gat makes
• 15:19
  Speaker 3: it that much better when we beat the raining player.
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: Of the week.
• 15:23
  Speaker 7: Well, I sure don't ever remember any of the games
• 15:24
  Speaker 7: happening like Patriots getting upset by an NFC opponent in
• 15:27
  Speaker 7: the early season and then having to like hold serve
• 15:30
  Speaker 7: on the road like I don't remember that ever happened.
• 15:32
  Speaker 7: I remember Buffalo getting some wins in Buffalo. I remember
• 15:34
  Speaker 7: the Jets getting some wins in New York early in
• 15:36
  Speaker 7: the season. But then it always came back to the Patriots.
• 15:38
  Speaker 7: Summers never good blue doors, you know, and that.
• 15:41
  Speaker 8: You know, there was a couple, you know, that little
• 15:43
  Speaker 8: stretch there where the Jets were cute with Rex Ryan,
• 15:47
  Speaker 8: you know, nine to eleven, and they went to a
• 15:49
  Speaker 8: couple of conference championship games.
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: They were I mean, they were formidable.
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: What about when Rex ryanders with the Bills.
• 15:55
  Speaker 8: So Rex Ryan beat the Patriots with the Bills, but
• 15:58
  Speaker 8: it was with Jacoby Brissett play board about.
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: Sixteen's it was Rex Ryan thing with the Bills and
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: not go didn't work.
• 16:04
  Speaker 7: No, no, yeah, I think the one you might have
• 16:06
  Speaker 7: been talking about, Paul was December twenty first, twenty nineteen,
• 16:09
  Speaker 7: was a twenty four to seventeen play the game by
• 16:12
  Speaker 7: the Patriots.
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: The Patriots are twelve and three, the Bills were ten
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: and five.
• 16:14
  Speaker 8: After that one, that was a rare time that they
• 16:16
  Speaker 8: were both pretty good, Damn Patriot. It wasn't trying to.
• 16:19
  Speaker 8: You know, Salvage is split. The Patriots won both games
• 16:22
  Speaker 8: against Buffalo that year, but Buffalo you could see, was
• 16:25
  Speaker 8: getting better with this kid who looked like he was
• 16:27
  Speaker 8: starting to figure things.
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: So Sean Brown fifty three yards.
• 16:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: So I don't want to digress too much, but I
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: was on my drive and I was thinking of, you know,
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: Patriots through the dynasty, and I have a total blank.
• 16:40
  Speaker 8: I was thinking about Patriots through the dynasty.
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: I was I have a total blank on two thousand
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: and five? What happened then? What happened in two thousand.
• 16:49
  Speaker 7: Bruski had the stroke and then they had to replace
• 16:52
  Speaker 7: their linebackers. So I think they lost uh Rabel moved middle,
• 16:57
  Speaker 7: Brown just didn't.
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: Work, came in.
• 17:01
  Speaker 7: I think ty Law had left as well, So they
• 17:03
  Speaker 7: had a sante. But I remember that their their defense
• 17:06
  Speaker 7: was just terrible.
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: Remember that they lost.
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: To the Chargers. Yeah, they beat the Jacket.
• 17:12
  Speaker 7: The Jets might have been I want to say the Jaggs,
• 17:15
  Speaker 7: and that William McGinnis had a couple of sacks and
• 17:17
  Speaker 7: broke the sack record.
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: That was Deion Branch still on that team or did
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: he get traded. He was that was a big last
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: So that was his last they made.
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: They lost Denver. They lost the lost Denver in Denver.
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why everybody.
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, all right, geez.
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: I mean I'd say it was one of the forgotten
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: season for me.
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 17:37
  Speaker 6: I mean it was Brady's first loss in the playoffs
• 17:40
  Speaker 6: of his career and it was still a touchback.
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: I blanked out.
• 17:44
  Speaker 7: Bruskie came back, you know, and that was I remember
• 17:47
  Speaker 7: being like, thank god, but you had gone from four
• 17:49
  Speaker 7: where you had that like Paul always talks about the
• 17:51
  Speaker 7: six for four linebackers and I don't even know if
• 17:54
  Speaker 7: if what's his face the other linebacker was still around
• 17:57
  Speaker 7: to I mean, Teddy j was probably gone by that point.
• 17:59
  Speaker 7: I would guess Ruman fight for I don't know, maybe,
• 18:01
  Speaker 7: I mean right around that area.
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: They might have both been gone. Yeah.
• 18:04
  Speaker 9: Yeah, Turnover there was like I remember him with like
• 18:08
  Speaker 9: target on him the whole season.
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: And Chad Brown absolutely got folded in half in Denver
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: that year.
• 18:13
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 18:13
  Speaker 9: Yeah, that was Ben jam the Ben Watson chase down.
• 18:17
  Speaker 8: That was.
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: That was a tough playoff game.
• 18:19
  Speaker 8: I mean they got out played in the game largely,
• 18:23
  Speaker 8: sure did. And I mean, you know how bad that was,
• 18:25
  Speaker 8: Like just it wasn't there year. Even Adam missed the
• 18:28
  Speaker 8: field goal in that game, that divisional round game, and
• 18:30
  Speaker 8: dam never missed when it counted.
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it was a bad night, all right.
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: So I just, like I said, I need to ask
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: Paul what happened in two thousand and five?
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: You got, you got the whole panel, I know, I
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: just remember that.
• 18:45
  Speaker 6: I mean, they hadn't lost a playoff game with Brady yet,
• 18:48
  Speaker 6: So like my first memories are you know, beginning of
• 18:51
  Speaker 6: two thousand and two thousand and one time frame, So
• 18:54
  Speaker 6: like I had never experienced like losing a playoff game
• 18:56
  Speaker 6: before really as like a fan killing. And I just
• 19:00
  Speaker 6: remember being absolutely distraught after they lost to Denver that night.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah me too, Me too.
• 19:05
  Speaker 7: It's like why I started blogging about the team. I
• 19:07
  Speaker 7: think just that loss against the guys.
• 19:10
  Speaker 8: Brady throws the pick in the end zone of all people,
• 19:13
  Speaker 8: Troy Brown, you know, muffs a punt and that led
• 19:16
  Speaker 8: to another turnover. And like I said, Adam missed a
• 19:19
  Speaker 8: field goal. It was just one of those nights like
• 19:20
  Speaker 8: this just ain't the patriotsy year.
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I whooping it up in that press box. If
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: you remember, Paul.
• 19:27
  Speaker 8: Mike, remember what happened in the season, but you remember
• 19:29
  Speaker 8: the disrespect from the out of town press corps.
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: You got that right, That's that's Benjamin the.
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: Game I remember that. Well, now it's coming back, I know,
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: but now it comes back to me.
• 19:39
  Speaker 7: Yeah, Brabel had one hundred and five one hundred eight
• 19:41
  Speaker 7: combined tackles that year. I mean, clearly led the team
• 19:44
  Speaker 7: solo seventy three solo tackles. Next closest Tai Warn forty
• 19:48
  Speaker 7: had to play inside.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: This, but he did it.
• 19:52
  Speaker 8: He did it well, and he did it really well.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, So what were we talking about before?
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: I spread and spread and all.
• 20:00
  Speaker 6: One little thing about, uh, just housekeeping whatever the Uh.
• 20:05
  Speaker 6: The injuries are going to be interesting on both sides,
• 20:08
  Speaker 6: and you know, practice participation. The Bills got a bunch
• 20:11
  Speaker 6: of guys banged up. Uh, the Patriots had a bunch
• 20:14
  Speaker 6: of guys banged up before the bye, and then there's
• 20:16
  Speaker 6: no injury reports during the bye. So, uh, Robert Splane
• 20:20
  Speaker 6: has something going on that we still have unidentified. So
• 20:24
  Speaker 6: we'll find out later today what he's dealing with. But
• 20:26
  Speaker 6: he didn't play as much against the Giants as he
• 20:28
  Speaker 6: normally does. Then he was kind of limited not at practice,
• 20:32
  Speaker 6: like you know, not really participating the last couple of practices.
• 20:36
  Speaker 6: And then you know, Tonga school or you know, what
• 20:40
  Speaker 6: do you do on the offensive line of Jared Wilson
• 20:43
  Speaker 6: is healthy? Do you put him back in? You know,
• 20:46
  Speaker 6: like all these different types of things. And then Buffalo
• 20:48
  Speaker 6: it's Bernard and Spencer Brown. They're starting right tackle. Kinka
• 20:54
  Speaker 6: came back last week, but his seems kind of banged up.
• 20:58
  Speaker 6: Josh Palmer one of their receivers. So there's both teams
• 21:02
  Speaker 6: have some banged up guys that well they won't. Theay
• 21:06
  Speaker 6: on Sunday is Important.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: Was like, a give it a go guy. I think
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: Glass he's not He's going to give.
• 21:11
  Speaker 10: It a go.
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: Well, but yeah, Knox And for those of you who
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: are into the pop culture, Cardi B has declared herself
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: a football b I won't use the crass word and
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: that she wants that Patriots smoke.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: So really, where was this on her thing?
• 21:29
  Speaker 5: Whatever?
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so she's all in on the Patriots. Michael writes
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: in from Maine, Paul is one hundred percent correct. Fred
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: is off his rocker. There is not a single Patriots
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: fan on this planet that is dreading the game against Buffalo.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: Every everybody can't flipping weight for this game. And if
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: we do lose, it's not the end of the world.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: The show will go on.
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: So Fred go grab your brunts and get out your
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: snow blower and blow off some steam.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: Okay, I have a small rant.
• 21:59
  Speaker 7: I get a smaller a little bit, a little bit
• 22:02
  Speaker 7: of ran towards you. No, it's funny, and then I
• 22:05
  Speaker 7: fully accept that. I fully accept, you know, being a
• 22:08
  Speaker 7: little like worried about what does it mean? But I
• 22:10
  Speaker 7: was just I was laughing thinking about it, because when
• 22:12
  Speaker 7: we talk about Paul shows like this is what it
• 22:14
  Speaker 7: is they live for, that they live for knowing all
• 22:17
  Speaker 7: these things, we know, all the talking points they're gonna
• 22:19
  Speaker 7: hit if they lose this Buffalo game.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: So it's like, you know, one hand, you make fun
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: of those people, but.
• 22:24
  Speaker 7: At the same time, you need those people because those
• 22:26
  Speaker 7: are the ones who are gonna hate. Listen to felgroom
• 22:28
  Speaker 7: As after the game and be like, I don't want
• 22:30
  Speaker 7: to hear it.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: Tells me you up, the schedule was soft and up.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: Josh Allen still owns you, You know, like those are
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: the things that are beat into your head, like you
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: know it, right. I don't know how much that matters
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: to the people that actually matter, like the coach play.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, No, it might a little bit.
• 22:45
  Speaker 6: Because like the soft schedule thing is a narrative and
• 22:48
  Speaker 6: if you go out into Buffalo and you're kind of
• 22:50
  Speaker 6: outclassed by the Bills on Sunday, then still you're it.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: Just kind of proves them right, right, they could do that.
• 22:58
  Speaker 8: Yeah, But I agree with everything you guys are saying,
• 23:02
  Speaker 8: and I understand where Fred's coming from. I have a
• 23:04
  Speaker 8: feeling that this is going to be what we're talking
• 23:06
  Speaker 8: about on my show. Okay, So I do get it,
• 23:09
  Speaker 8: and you're right. I just would say, like, if you're
• 23:11
  Speaker 8: a Patriots fan and you believe, do you believe in
• 23:16
  Speaker 8: what you're seeing, then what do you care? Like why
• 23:20
  Speaker 8: this is the thing about Patriots fans I'll never get
• 23:23
  Speaker 8: is why they care so much about the noise. And yes,
• 23:28
  Speaker 8: Evan's right, they will have This will be perfect fodder
• 23:32
  Speaker 8: for Mike and Tony and everybody else that believes that
• 23:35
  Speaker 8: they're not as good as the record is right, right,
• 23:39
  Speaker 8: But if you believe they are as good as the record,
• 23:41
  Speaker 8: is you'll be disappointed that.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: They lost, for sure. But maybe if you're but your
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: mind changes. But if you're what exactly what you ad
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: your mind changes with more information. If you're worried, that's
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: what you're worried about.
• 23:58
  Speaker 8: You're not worried about losing the game because of what
• 24:00
  Speaker 8: felgrit ma is are going to say, you're worried about
• 24:02
  Speaker 8: not being as good as you.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: Think they are or being told right.
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: But Connor Aganster says of a topic, if we lose,
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: will people start to spiral what we all saying. The
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: hope is we're that we're playing meaningful football games in December.
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: News flash, that's what this is. We got what we
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: wish for.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, Paul, you're the man.
• 24:22
  Speaker 7: Yeah, the colpost moved. Yeah, and that's and that's we're
• 24:25
  Speaker 7: sitting right now. And that's I think what is a
• 24:27
  Speaker 7: little maybe scary is the word. It's just like it's
• 24:29
  Speaker 7: all right there for the taking. Like, you win four games,
• 24:32
  Speaker 7: you're gonna win the division. There's a good chance maybe
• 24:34
  Speaker 7: you get a buye, you know, And so those thoughts
• 24:36
  Speaker 7: in the preseason of be great, they win eight games,
• 24:39
  Speaker 7: like eight nine games, that would be amazing. Now it's like, no,
• 24:42
  Speaker 7: they're already at eleven soust Accordingly, we've talked about the
• 24:46
  Speaker 7: opportunity that could exist this year with the teams that
• 24:47
  Speaker 7: are going to make the playoffs.
• 24:48
  Speaker 8: You imagine if they go thirteen and four, there will
• 24:51
  Speaker 8: be people and I think they will be right, that
• 24:54
  Speaker 8: will be disappointed. Yeah, yeah, yeah, But I think there's
• 24:57
  Speaker 8: I lose twice, like you lose Sunday like that.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: Listen, we all know Buffalo's good. You guys upset it.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: Buffalo's good.
• 25:03
  Speaker 8: They could come in the pictures, could play a really
• 25:04
  Speaker 8: good game on Sunday and lose because Buffalo just plays
• 25:07
  Speaker 8: a little bit better. But if you lose twice, that
• 25:11
  Speaker 8: means you lost to a team with a losing record
• 25:13
  Speaker 8: in one of the last three games. People are going
• 25:16
  Speaker 8: to be disappointed. Imagine that if you go thirteen and
• 25:19
  Speaker 8: four and when the people are going to be disappointed.
• 25:22
  Speaker 6: I just think there's also a little bit of like
• 25:24
  Speaker 6: twenty twenty one PTSD of like, yeah, sure they were
• 25:28
  Speaker 6: not in four in twenty twenty one. Then they lose
• 25:31
  Speaker 6: to Buffalo, then they they completely to me.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: That's all about Matt Jones first, Drake Man, there is no.
• 25:39
  Speaker 6: But I think that that that's a pattern, right, that
• 25:42
  Speaker 6: you're just trying to avoid. But I agree, I think
• 25:45
  Speaker 6: that the difference is is like big picture, I'm with Paul,
• 25:49
  Speaker 6: like I have no concerns about where they're headed.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: Big picture me too.
• 25:53
  Speaker 6: But in terms of the twenty twenty five season, losing
• 25:56
  Speaker 6: to Buffalo on Sunday does change You're you get a
• 26:00
  Speaker 6: little bit want to have a warm seat, You're a
• 26:03
  Speaker 6: little type.
• 26:04
  Speaker 8: But like, like, let's flip this to the Buffalo thing.
• 26:06
  Speaker 8: I was listening to my show yesterday because our good
• 26:09
  Speaker 8: friend Greg Greg was on. Greg Bdard was on, and
• 26:11
  Speaker 8: at the end they give him us all right, Greg
• 26:13
  Speaker 8: gave you know, give us, you know, sixty seconds on
• 26:14
  Speaker 8: the game. You know, I like the Patriots in this
• 26:17
  Speaker 8: spot coming off the bye I think they should get
• 26:20
  Speaker 8: some personnel back. And I just you know, Buffalo is
• 26:22
  Speaker 8: just not that good. And I just I just look
• 26:26
  Speaker 8: at it and I'm like, Okay, so Buffalo's nine and
• 26:29
  Speaker 8: four right now. And I'm not telling you that every
• 26:31
  Speaker 8: game has looked great, but a lot of their games
• 26:34
  Speaker 8: have looked they've looked kind of like vintage Buffalo. I mean, like,
• 26:37
  Speaker 8: you know, Caroline has given everybody fits to your point,
• 26:40
  Speaker 8: and they beat him like forty to nine on the road. Right,
• 26:43
  Speaker 8: So let's just not make this Buffalo team out to be,
• 26:47
  Speaker 8: you know, terrible underachievers.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: Right, so they're nine and four.
• 26:53
  Speaker 8: The game that they played in week five in Buffalo,
• 26:56
  Speaker 8: let's just say for arguments, you can't do this, it's
• 26:58
  Speaker 8: a hypothetical. But let's just say the game unfold is
• 27:00
  Speaker 8: exactly the same way. And that play that Drake made
• 27:03
  Speaker 8: in the last drive when he almost shut it out,
• 27:07
  Speaker 8: let's say he got stripsacked and Buffalo wins twenty three
• 27:10
  Speaker 8: to twenty. So now Buffalo instead of being nine and
• 27:14
  Speaker 8: four is ten and three, and the Patriots instead of
• 27:17
  Speaker 8: being eleven and two is ten and three. Is Buffalo
• 27:21
  Speaker 8: now good because they made one play that they didn't
• 27:25
  Speaker 8: make in that game?
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: Is Buffalo? Does that make Buffalo a good team?
• 27:27
  Speaker 11: Now?
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: Buffalo is good?
• 27:29
  Speaker 8: You know what I'm saying, Like, that's the difference between
• 27:32
  Speaker 8: the teams right now is Drake made an unbelievable play
• 27:37
  Speaker 8: on the last drive to set up a field goal
• 27:40
  Speaker 8: and they won the game. That's the difference between Buffalo
• 27:43
  Speaker 8: being good or bad.
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: And I can pretty much guarante I can't buy that
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: I can pretty much guarantee that this game will come
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: down to a few plays, and.
• 27:50
  Speaker 8: If it does and the Patriots don't win it, I'm
• 27:52
  Speaker 8: not going to be shook as a Patriots fan. To
• 27:55
  Speaker 8: Evan's point, if Josh Allen does what he did in
• 27:58
  Speaker 8: twenty one and they don't make them punt and the
• 28:02
  Speaker 8: game's not overly competitive, that might change my opinion of
• 28:06
  Speaker 8: the twenty five Patriots. Not of Drake may and what's
• 28:09
  Speaker 8: going on with Mike Vabel and going forward, but the
• 28:11
  Speaker 8: twenty five. The twenty five outlook might change.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: This is the worst Buffalo team that they will face
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: in quite some time.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: I agree.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: This is not vulnerable.
• 28:21
  Speaker 6: This is not as good as they've been, especially defensively. Offensively,
• 28:24
  Speaker 6: they're still lost.
• 28:25
  Speaker 8: The numbers are like better than the defense is in
• 28:28
  Speaker 8: my opinion. Yeah, I keep reading about their past defense
• 28:32
  Speaker 8: is ranked X or whatever, and I'm just like, I
• 28:34
  Speaker 8: watched them every weekend. Doesn't never look like they could
• 28:36
  Speaker 8: stop anybody.
• 28:37
  Speaker 6: Well, this is why things like DVOA help, because they
• 28:40
  Speaker 6: just for these types of things. They're seventeenth in past DVOA,
• 28:42
  Speaker 6: they're twenty second. This is the worst by DVA as
• 28:45
  Speaker 6: actually talking to Aaron about this, Aaron shats, this is
• 28:48
  Speaker 6: the worst Bill's defense of the McDermott era. That's nine seasons,
• 28:52
  Speaker 6: like you're going back to twenty seventeen. So they they're offensively,
• 28:57
  Speaker 6: they're top five and everything. They're top five and points
• 29:00
  Speaker 6: their top five in PA DVOA explosive player, like they're
• 29:03
  Speaker 6: they're a great offense, and he's great, Allen's great. Defensively,
• 29:07
  Speaker 6: this isn't as good as they've been. And I still
• 29:09
  Speaker 6: don't think there even though their offenses producing, I think
• 29:12
  Speaker 6: that's a lot because they have the m v P
• 29:14
  Speaker 6: playing quarterback, and I don't think their weapons are as
• 29:16
  Speaker 6: good as they have been.
• 29:18
  Speaker 8: No, and that they have been particularly hit with the
• 29:21
  Speaker 8: injuries on defense. Yeah, you know, and some of the
• 29:23
  Speaker 8: moves that they made, Like who's the guy from the
• 29:25
  Speaker 8: Rams that can never pronounce his name, that he came
• 29:27
  Speaker 8: and he played one great game against Kansas City and
• 29:29
  Speaker 8: blew out his achilles, that hate guy h oct Okay,
• 29:37
  Speaker 8: he was really good in that game when he blew
• 29:39
  Speaker 8: out his achilles.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: He was really good for the Rams last year.
• 29:41
  Speaker 8: Yeah, like they were expected. That was a big move
• 29:43
  Speaker 8: that they made in the off season. He was suspended
• 29:46
  Speaker 8: when they got him, and then he comes back and
• 29:49
  Speaker 8: plays really well. He's out, you know, Milano is kind
• 29:52
  Speaker 8: of always hurt, so I'm not you know, but he's
• 29:53
  Speaker 8: been in that lineup at all of her excellent interior
• 29:57
  Speaker 8: defensive lineman.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: He's been out for a while now.
• 29:59
  Speaker 6: Harston's there, first round pick or or least I forget
• 30:02
  Speaker 6: where exactly they picked him, but the corner and.
• 30:04
  Speaker 8: When he came back, he made an immediate impact for them.
• 30:07
  Speaker 8: He's missed some time.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: Bernard Torell.
• 30:10
  Speaker 8: Bernard is a really active He's kind of like a
• 30:12
  Speaker 8: Robert Spallaine type linebacker, like a smaller athletic guy, but
• 30:16
  Speaker 8: he makes a lot of plays with them.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: He's been in and out of the lineup.
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 30:19
  Speaker 6: Yeah, but this has been a really good specifically really
• 30:22
  Speaker 6: good pass defense in Buffalo for like the last this
• 30:25
  Speaker 6: whole run for the Bills, and they just they're they're
• 30:29
  Speaker 6: not as good there and they've had a lot of
• 30:31
  Speaker 6: trouble outside of Christian Benford, like they haven't really found
• 30:36
  Speaker 6: the right mix at safety.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: White.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what he was right?
• 30:43
  Speaker 5: Uh real?
• 30:44
  Speaker 7: Because did you guys hapen to see a keep to
• 30:45
  Speaker 7: leave it all yesterday online? I'm not saying that the
• 30:48
  Speaker 7: content like what he said I necessarily agree with. But
• 30:51
  Speaker 7: he was talking about the Texas, and you know, just
• 30:52
  Speaker 7: in that draw that he's got, and he's like, man,
• 30:55
  Speaker 7: tex is they gonna think let the fox throw and.
• 30:57
  Speaker 9: Get popped like he's just talking like McDaniel's seen it all.
• 31:02
  Speaker 7: They don't go that defense gonna get them all the
• 31:03
  Speaker 7: way to Foxville then they get him back, right.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: It was just it was more about not the context
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: of what he said. It's just more the way he
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: says it. It's just hilarious.
• 31:10
  Speaker 8: Shouldn't that be what happens? Like the seventh seed if
• 31:12
  Speaker 8: they go to Foxborough is the two seed?
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: Should they?
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: They're playing better now than the beginning of the seed.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: So I don't know. I have a lot of respect
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: for what Texans.
• 31:21
  Speaker 6: No, I think the Texans are going to be. I
• 31:23
  Speaker 6: think the Texans are going to win that division, and
• 31:26
  Speaker 6: I think that it's that could happen. I think the
• 31:27
  Speaker 6: Texans are going to win the division. The Bills will
• 31:29
  Speaker 6: be the five seed, Like everybody's worried right now because
• 31:32
  Speaker 6: the Bills are the Texans could be the seventh seed
• 31:35
  Speaker 6: playing the two Patriots set. You know here but I
• 31:37
  Speaker 6: think ultimately will be like Jacksonville or.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: We're going to be the number of or whatever.
• 31:42
  Speaker 7: So I sorry, Fred, just one last thing, I just
• 31:44
  Speaker 7: I just it was a nice reminder that Josh McDaniels
• 31:47
  Speaker 7: has seen it all and so, you know, these good
• 31:49
  Speaker 7: defenses that we talk about. Sure, I respect these defenses,
• 31:52
  Speaker 7: but at the same time, you've got a guy that
• 31:54
  Speaker 7: has faced every kind of defense there is. And whether
• 31:56
  Speaker 7: or not they execute that's a different thing. But I
• 31:59
  Speaker 7: feel like, no matter who they play, Josh.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: McDaniels will have a good plan.
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: Dan Wright, sin, is it fair to say if we
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: win this game we can categorize it as an official
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: we've arrived game?
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: Well, I think it depends on what you want the
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: destination to be.
• 32:12
  Speaker 7: I mean, yeah, I would say the destination is are
• 32:14
  Speaker 7: you going to be a consistent year in and year
• 32:16
  Speaker 7: out contender for the Super Bowl?
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: And I don't know if I go that far yet,
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: but mane.
• 32:20
  Speaker 9: Of that division and it is a great you know,
• 32:23
  Speaker 9: but you know you need to see some consistency to it.
• 32:25
  Speaker 7: There have been flashing the PAN teams, like, you know,
• 32:28
  Speaker 7: did Washington arrive last year or have they not arrived?
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: Like I mean, I still think they're, you know, a
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: good team when they're healthy.
• 32:33
  Speaker 7: But you know, it's just to do what the Patriots
• 32:37
  Speaker 7: did in the twenty and twenty tens of consistently every year.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's nobody tells that. You know, if you
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: could get on a five year run where you're consistently
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: that's great. You know, that's that's actually.
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: Win the game for me. It's where we continue to
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: be on the road to arriving.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: You know, Like, I don't Washington didn't win their division,
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: right for this year, You've arrived.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: We've already arrived.
• 32:58
  Speaker 8: I don't know what it says going for you know,
• 33:01
  Speaker 8: but I like you guys have said, I I mean,
• 33:04
  Speaker 8: I don't know how you cannot be optimistic about them.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I already believe, right, just get the title.
• 33:09
  Speaker 7: You know, you guys say, oh, it's it's kind of
• 33:11
  Speaker 7: like gonna happen for sure. I just I need to
• 33:14
  Speaker 7: see it, like that needs to be get to the playoffs.
• 33:16
  Speaker 7: We'll see what happens. But like, just to come out
• 33:18
  Speaker 7: of this season with a division title, I think that's
• 33:21
  Speaker 7: just a great thing to fall back on.
• 33:23
  Speaker 8: You. I can't imagine how I would try to console
• 33:26
  Speaker 8: you if something happens in disaster strikes and they somehow
• 33:29
  Speaker 8: find a way to lose three of their last four.
• 33:30
  Speaker 7: H oh, I know, but but like, but but but
• 33:32
  Speaker 7: off the let me play wimpy two right now, Like
• 33:36
  Speaker 7: loose to Lamar Jackson and Tua, who you've only beaten once.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's not crazy to think that they could
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: possibly lose. They're lucky that the Baltimore game doesn't really matter.
• 33:46
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I look at Baltimore right now. I say something
• 33:48
  Speaker 8: crazy has to happen for you lose that. But both
• 33:51
  Speaker 8: the way they look at.
• 33:52
  Speaker 6: The game itself doesn't actually really matter, Like if they
• 33:54
  Speaker 6: lose to the Bills on Sunday, the only games that
• 33:56
  Speaker 6: matter are the two division games at the end of
• 33:58
  Speaker 6: the year. If you all you got to do is
• 34:00
  Speaker 6: beat the Jets and the Dolphins and you win the
• 34:02
  Speaker 6: division even if you lose to Baltimore.
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: So true.
• 34:06
  Speaker 6: Like I'm with you with Dolphins though, because the Dolphins
• 34:10
  Speaker 6: are frisky, they're six and seven, they're in it.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, if they if that week, see what it
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: looks like after this week.
• 34:17
  Speaker 6: If Week eighteen is a meaningful game for both teams,
• 34:20
  Speaker 6: and the Dolphins have something to play for in that game, right,
• 34:24
  Speaker 6: and that that becomes a big spot and you'd have.
• 34:26
  Speaker 9: To lose two divisional games at home, which.
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: Is you know, it's easy to do. I mean there's games.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: I mean, there are always battles.
• 34:34
  Speaker 6: You just don't want it to be a big spot
• 34:35
  Speaker 6: against Miami. No, you've seen you've seen good Patriots teams,
• 34:39
  Speaker 6: I mean twenty nineteen. Yeah, opportunity and lay it, lay
• 34:42
  Speaker 6: a turn in the last game.
• 34:43
  Speaker 7: I mean, it's I mean, I don't think you win
• 34:45
  Speaker 7: that one game over to and you know, but it's
• 34:47
  Speaker 7: like a reminder, like.
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: That's the only time you've beaten them. I don't know,
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: we'll see what that team looks like.
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: I feel like the Jets. I'm not worried.
• 34:54
  Speaker 7: I feel like the about the Jets, the way you
• 34:55
  Speaker 7: feel the right, like there's no way, but well, if
• 34:58
  Speaker 7: I still get PTSD.
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: Just looking at the Ravens uniforms, they're good. The Jets
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: with Brady, I can lose to the Ravens, okay, but.
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: It's all part of the thing.
• 35:08
  Speaker 12: Though.
• 35:08
  Speaker 9: It's like you lose one, then you lose a game,
• 35:11
  Speaker 9: it didn't matter.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: Well, you lost two in a row.
• 35:13
  Speaker 8: Now you got to come back a couple on the
• 35:15
  Speaker 8: road games in twenty one to like Indianapolis and Buffalo,
• 35:19
  Speaker 8: and you're like, oh, that's okay, continue, and then you
• 35:22
  Speaker 8: lost the game you didn't expect to lose.
• 35:24
  Speaker 6: And also it also hurts that the Patriots last four
• 35:28
  Speaker 6: games are all in the AFC, so the Bills are
• 35:32
  Speaker 6: Their toughest game other than the Patriots is the Eagles,
• 35:34
  Speaker 6: but it's an NFC game, so that's not going to
• 35:37
  Speaker 6: be part of the time, and that's not tough part
• 35:40
  Speaker 6: of the tie breaker. So it goes head to head,
• 35:43
  Speaker 6: then it will go division record, and then I believe
• 35:45
  Speaker 6: it goes conference record.
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: I actually think that for the division. I think that's
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: the order. There's a conference before Common. I don't those
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: two are. I don't know which way those two.
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: Any Common comes first, but I don't know. I'm not sure.
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: All Right, A five five past five hundred is the
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: hot line. Let's see what you have to say. Mark's
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: in Connecticut. What's up, Mark?
• 36:06
  Speaker 13: Hey, guys, thanks for taking my call. I'm super excited.
• 36:09
  Speaker 14: I'm actually going to be at the game this weekend,
• 36:11
  Speaker 14: and I just.
• 36:12
  Speaker 13: Want to see us dominate as Buffalo Bills. The question
• 36:17
  Speaker 13: that I have is Milton Williams.
• 36:19
  Speaker 15: Do we know what his like re have processes right now?
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: Like how's he looking?
• 36:24
  Speaker 13: And is he eligible to return for the Baltimore game?
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: No, no, Miami.
• 36:29
  Speaker 7: He walked through the locker room on Monday, looked normal,
• 36:32
  Speaker 7: nothing on his leg or anything like that. I mean,
• 36:34
  Speaker 7: you know, he's just walking, so I mean high ankle sprain.
• 36:36
  Speaker 7: I don't think you'd really even notice anything really anyway,
• 36:38
  Speaker 7: but for what it's worked, he's in there.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: He looked like he's rehaving.
• 36:42
  Speaker 6: Yeah, they said, I think when the eligible Iami Miami
• 36:46
  Speaker 6: week seventeen.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: No, sorry, he's second Miami for Campbell is Miami. Yeah, yeah, gotcha.
• 36:54
  Speaker 14: Awesome, Thanks guys, Love you guys.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: Okay, thank you too.
• 36:57
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 36:58
  Speaker 6: You know what I'll say, like when you go in
• 37:00
  Speaker 6: locker room and people are like, is he limp? Like
• 37:02
  Speaker 6: you have to analyze his limp?
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: And I did that the other day, watch watch everybody,
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: and like I just.
• 37:09
  Speaker 6: Have decided that, Like I'm not a doctor, like I
• 37:11
  Speaker 6: don't like all these guys. First of all, they're all
• 37:13
  Speaker 6: football players, so they all limp, Like all of them
• 37:15
  Speaker 6: have a little bit like a weird gait, especially the
• 37:19
  Speaker 6: veteran guys because they've been playing for so long. So
• 37:21
  Speaker 6: like I'm not going to like micro analyze like his
• 37:25
  Speaker 6: his gait, like how is he limping?
• 37:27
  Speaker 5: Is he?
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 37:27
  Speaker 7: I did it with Will Campbell when I saw him
• 37:29
  Speaker 7: in the locker, so I'm like, he looks fine, get
• 37:31
  Speaker 7: him out there.
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: The one guy I will say that looked fine was
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: Jared Wilson.
• 37:35
  Speaker 6: Jared Wilson as soon as we saw him after the
• 37:37
  Speaker 6: injury scare in Cincinnati, he looked fine.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: I the other two I don't know, but let's talk
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: we talk about that for a second.
• 37:43
  Speaker 7: Just it's an interesting thing to me of a rookie
• 37:45
  Speaker 7: left guard who you know clearly was having a good season,
• 37:47
  Speaker 7: but you know, Ben Brown a little bit more experienced.
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: You've got Vederian Low. Do you put any consideration to that,
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: you know? Mix, Yeah, I don't know.
• 37:55
  Speaker 9: Maybe I just like he's a little more Again, I'm
• 37:58
  Speaker 9: not sure.
• 37:59
  Speaker 6: It's a question to me of like is it Jared
• 38:02
  Speaker 6: Wilson at eighty five percent versus Ben Brown at one
• 38:05
  Speaker 6: hundred or are they both fully healthy? Because I might
• 38:09
  Speaker 6: keep Ben Brown in there if Jared Wilson's less than
• 38:11
  Speaker 6: one hundred percent.
• 38:12
  Speaker 9: Is there anything to be said though for low being
• 38:14
  Speaker 9: out there?
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: You know, Like, I don't know.
• 38:16
  Speaker 7: I'm just saying, like Ben Brown a little bit more experienced,
• 38:19
  Speaker 7: Like is there any kind of connective tissue that you
• 38:21
  Speaker 7: would rather have a little bit more experienced guy between
• 38:23
  Speaker 7: the center and the tackle?
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: Just I don't know, because decision.
• 38:27
  Speaker 6: They didn't if Brown and low were like the backups
• 38:31
  Speaker 6: on that side all summer and they had all these
• 38:34
  Speaker 6: reps in the book, but they didn't because Vederian Lowe
• 38:38
  Speaker 6: was hurt for a lot of training camp. So I
• 38:40
  Speaker 6: remember talking to Viderian Lowe last week or the week before,
• 38:44
  Speaker 6: and he was like, up until this week, we really
• 38:46
  Speaker 6: haven't practiced together. Yeah, So like I don't think there's
• 38:49
  Speaker 6: any real like chemistry advantage necessarily, I just look at
• 38:54
  Speaker 6: it more.
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: I don't know if Jared Wilson is at.
• 38:57
  Speaker 6: That point where like it's not like it's Quentin Neilson
• 39:00
  Speaker 6: where it's like, okay, at eighty five percent, yeah we're putting,
• 39:02
  Speaker 6: we're putting your experience.
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: Point.
• 39:05
  Speaker 8: Brown doesn't have much experience playing guard.
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah that's fair, you know, Yeah, I.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: Think it's an interesting question.
• 39:10
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I just wonder how much goes into it of
• 39:13
  Speaker 7: I mean, you're right for Wilson's one hundred percent.
• 39:15
  Speaker 8: He probably goes, I mean there's an argument to be
• 39:17
  Speaker 8: made that if they think that Ben Brown's better and
• 39:20
  Speaker 8: maybe they wait a little bit longer.
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that you could have two healthy guys
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: for the playoffs.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: You could make an argument for that.
• 39:27
  Speaker 8: Tevan's probably right about the status for Wilson will determine.
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: It Ken las Vegas.
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: He says on December third, prior to the Buffalo Cincinnati game,
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: the Patriots were one and a half point favorites versus
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: Buffalo this week, and after the Buffalo Cincinnati game, the
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: line switched to Buffalo as a one point five point favorite.
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: According to Google ai quote, the initial odds saw money
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: pour in on the Bills flipping the line to favorite Buffalo.
• 39:54
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I saw, I definitely Last week saw that the
• 40:00
  Speaker 8: the future line had the Patriots favored, and I was
• 40:03
  Speaker 8: very surprised that the Patriots didn't play and the Bills
• 40:07
  Speaker 8: kind of struggled, sorry and survived have well.
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: So the future line was before the Bengals game. That
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: would be just before the Bengals game, So that was
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: coming off the Steelers game. For the right, but this
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: is like, what do you say, December third?
• 40:22
  Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, so like pretty recent, like within a week, right.
• 40:26
  Speaker 6: I just was wondering which games the future line was
• 40:30
  Speaker 6: because like if you that line comes out after like
• 40:32
  Speaker 6: the Houston game for Buffalo, then I could understand thinking
• 40:35
  Speaker 6: that Buffalo is in trouble. I mean, they played, they
• 40:39
  Speaker 6: ran the ball really well again.
• 40:40
  Speaker 8: But it is it's all about the analytics that they
• 40:42
  Speaker 8: do and then it moves based on the money. And
• 40:47
  Speaker 8: I don't think that might be right what he said.
• 40:50
  Speaker 8: I don't think this significant money coming in on a
• 40:52
  Speaker 8: game to move a line like two weeks ahead of time, Like,
• 40:57
  Speaker 8: I don't. I don't think there's this significant line movement
• 41:00
  Speaker 8: based on that. I think it's weirdly to me, it's based.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: On two weeks. He said. After the Cincinnati game the
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: money poured in, but the.
• 41:11
  Speaker 8: First line after the Cincinnati game had the Patriots underdogs, right.
• 41:14
  Speaker 8: I don't think the significant money coming in on the
• 41:17
  Speaker 8: Bills like in the immediate aftermath of the Bengals game.
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: That's what he said, That's what google.
• 41:22
  Speaker 6: But I could see how they were all in agreement
• 41:26
  Speaker 6: after the Texans Steelers game, where the Bills dominated the Steelers,
• 41:31
  Speaker 6: but it wasn't a flashy win.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: They ran the ball forty five times, but you.
• 41:34
  Speaker 8: Could say, oh, you know, the defense shut him down
• 41:37
  Speaker 8: the running game, they kept the ball away for yeah,
• 41:39
  Speaker 8: but that didn't happen in the Cincinnati game.
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: The Cincinnati game was survival.
• 41:42
  Speaker 6: But the Cincinnati game, though, I think what I'm getting
• 41:45
  Speaker 6: at is like I could see the line moving because
• 41:47
  Speaker 6: Alan played like a near perfect game against the Bengals.
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, he was just awesome.
• 41:52
  Speaker 6: So if you watch that game and you see Josh
• 41:55
  Speaker 6: Allen put up like basically a perfect game against the Bengals,
• 41:59
  Speaker 6: you might think yourself, all right, maybe we need to
• 42:01
  Speaker 6: give the Bills some more respect.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: I don't know about the money side of it. That's
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: what I would do. You know how I would react.
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: To Williams in Montreal. Hey, william Hi.
• 42:11
  Speaker 16: Last time I called, we were playing Buffalo, and I asked,
• 42:16
  Speaker 16: if Drake Man goes into Buffalo and I'll duels Josh Allen,
• 42:19
  Speaker 16: will he be considered m v P.
• 42:23
  Speaker 5: Paul.
• 42:23
  Speaker 16: You proceeded to say, no, he won't. It's too early
• 42:26
  Speaker 16: into the season and nobody's looking at it too. And
• 42:29
  Speaker 16: two team and their quarterback as MVP front runner now
• 42:34
  Speaker 16: that Josh Allen is coming to Gelt Stadium, and like
• 42:37
  Speaker 16: how Fred likes to say, we got our guy. I
• 42:42
  Speaker 16: mean he outplays Allen again? Is he the clear uh?
• 42:49
  Speaker 16: MVP front runner?
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: Thank you and William. Are there a lot of Bills
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: fans in Montreal?
• 42:57
  Speaker 16: I mean, my, my, I have a few people I
• 43:01
  Speaker 16: know that like Buffalo. Definitely not the closest people I'm with,
• 43:07
  Speaker 16: But I try avoiding those people because friends are crazy. No,
• 43:16
  Speaker 16: the majority of them, like Buffalo. There's a few Patriots
• 43:20
  Speaker 16: signs here in Montreal. There's forty nine Ers fans. There's
• 43:23
  Speaker 16: a bunch of bands everywhere.
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: Okay, I'm just curious because I think the Bills like
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: to fashion themselves as the team of Montreal and Toronto.
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: Right across the Yeah.
• 43:36
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I would say that the and I totally remember saying, no,
• 43:41
  Speaker 8: that's not going to you know, like one game. But
• 43:43
  Speaker 8: I would say that if Drake May didn't do what
• 43:47
  Speaker 8: he did in every other game, he wouldn't be an
• 43:49
  Speaker 8: MVP candidate based on one game in primetime. Now, he
• 43:54
  Speaker 8: absolutely got on the radar that night, and the Patriots
• 43:56
  Speaker 8: got on the radar that night with their performance. But
• 43:59
  Speaker 8: Drake made that did it every week for the next
• 44:01
  Speaker 8: nine weeks or whatever it was after that too, So
• 44:04
  Speaker 8: that's why he's an MVP candidate. And if he does
• 44:07
  Speaker 8: it again Sunday, I need to know what Matthew Stafford
• 44:10
  Speaker 8: does because I don't really look at Josh Allen. I
• 44:12
  Speaker 8: know Josh is probably creeping up.
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: Is he third?
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: Now fourth?
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: He's fourth?
• 44:16
  Speaker 8: Okay, so I know he's entering the pitcher. But to me,
• 44:18
  Speaker 8: this is a two horse race. It's May and it's Stafford.
• 44:20
  Speaker 6: The lines would agree with you, minus one eighty for Stafford,
• 44:24
  Speaker 6: minus two ten for May.
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: Then everybody else's You know.
• 44:27
  Speaker 8: Does Stafford have another game like he did Sunday against
• 44:30
  Speaker 8: the Cardinals where he's sort of on the sideline for
• 44:33
  Speaker 8: the fourth quarter because he decimated Arizona so much? Or
• 44:36
  Speaker 8: is it like the week before that in Carolina where
• 44:40
  Speaker 8: for the first time in like ten weeks, he turned
• 44:42
  Speaker 8: the ball over a couple of times.
• 44:43
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I would say that these next two weeks, though,
• 44:46
  Speaker 6: you know, Buffalo and Baltimore in prime time.
• 44:48
  Speaker 5: Yep.
• 44:48
  Speaker 6: If Drake May is two to zero and has two
• 44:50
  Speaker 6: really good games against Alan Lamar, it's gonna be hard
• 44:54
  Speaker 6: to not see him as the MVP like that, I.
• 44:57
  Speaker 8: Think it's it's going to be up to what Stafford does.
• 45:00
  Speaker 8: I think that's part of it. I don't think that
• 45:01
  Speaker 8: May can just win.
• 45:02
  Speaker 6: I just want to you know, I'm big on the
• 45:04
  Speaker 6: MVP thing. I know I probably care about it too much.
• 45:06
  Speaker 6: I just like I hope that voters are consistent with it.
• 45:10
  Speaker 6: I do because if you voted for Josh Allen last
• 45:13
  Speaker 6: year over Lamar, then you should be voting for Drake
• 45:16
  Speaker 6: May over Matthew Stafford. The reason why Josh Allen won
• 45:19
  Speaker 6: it last year is because everybody said he had a
• 45:21
  Speaker 6: worse supporting cast than Lamar Jackson. If you give Drake May,
• 45:26
  Speaker 6: Puka Nakua and DeVante Adams just like Stafford, you know,
• 45:30
  Speaker 6: you don't know.
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: It is a good argument.
• 45:33
  Speaker 8: It's a really good argument because you look at the
• 45:34
  Speaker 8: way Josh Allen won the games too. Had to have
• 45:37
  Speaker 8: factored in because he won games last year down the
• 45:40
  Speaker 8: stretch the way he did against Cincinnati, and as great
• 45:44
  Speaker 8: as May has been, the Patriots have been so good
• 45:47
  Speaker 8: that they haven't had to do that. Yeah, it's not
• 45:49
  Speaker 8: Drake May's fault that he hasn't had to have fourth
• 45:51
  Speaker 8: quarter comebacks because they have the lead all the time. Yep,
• 45:54
  Speaker 8: you know, But unfortunately, I think in the voter's eyes
• 45:57
  Speaker 8: sometimes that stuff is what stands out.
• 46:00
  Speaker 5: You know.
• 46:01
  Speaker 8: Even Caleb Williams has got like five come from behind
• 46:03
  Speaker 8: wins this year, no one would say Caleb Williams has
• 46:05
  Speaker 8: played better than Drake May.
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: I'm close Tony's in Canada. What's up Tony?
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: Hey?
• 46:11
  Speaker 15: Guys? Yeah, Well, interested about that game this weekend. That's
• 46:16
  Speaker 15: going to be really exciting. So many things I'd like
• 46:19
  Speaker 15: to say, But regarding May, I think we really lucked
• 46:23
  Speaker 15: out of the three that quarterbacks that came out that year,
• 46:27
  Speaker 15: we got the best one, not just because of his talent,
• 46:30
  Speaker 15: but because of his work ethic and his personality. And
• 46:34
  Speaker 15: if you listen to Josh talk about him, he stresses that,
• 46:38
  Speaker 15: you know, how much of a how smart he is,
• 46:41
  Speaker 15: how quick he picks up his personality. But here's what
• 46:45
  Speaker 15: I called in about. Do you think maybe not enough
• 46:48
  Speaker 15: is being said about the Patriots' red zone, the issues
• 46:54
  Speaker 15: in terms of being able to get into the red
• 46:56
  Speaker 15: zone score touchdowns rather than field goals.
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: It's certainly been talked about.
• 47:01
  Speaker 15: It's going to be Yeah, I know that's gonna have
• 47:04
  Speaker 15: a critical decision in terms of our outcome for games.
• 47:08
  Speaker 15: So wondering if you guys think, how are we going
• 47:10
  Speaker 15: to change things up? I heard Bart and Alex they
• 47:15
  Speaker 15: talked about possibly running kind of like plays running May
• 47:19
  Speaker 15: more trying to run me into the end zone release
• 47:21
  Speaker 15: making a threat. Do you guys think that'll happen?
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: What you guys see, Well, listen, I mean your original
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: thing is is it being talked about enough? I mean
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: even Vrabel mentioned it that that's something that they're going
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: to be working on during the bye.
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the bye. I mean they know what's a problem.
• 47:37
  Speaker 6: That's all I've thought about for two weeks. Yeah, you know,
• 47:40
  Speaker 6: but like mixing the red zone.
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: May, establishing May as a threat down there can't hurt.
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 47:45
  Speaker 6: Yeah, And they're twenty fourth in the league right now
• 47:47
  Speaker 6: in red zone offense, they're down near the bottom of
• 47:51
  Speaker 6: the league and goal to go as well. If you're
• 47:54
  Speaker 6: not going to win in the playoffs like that. Now,
• 47:56
  Speaker 6: I think there's two ways you can look at it.
• 47:58
  Speaker 6: One would be to expand the p book down there,
• 48:01
  Speaker 6: you know, with May's legs or you know, whether it's
• 48:04
  Speaker 6: RPO zone read whatever, move in the pocket you know,
• 48:06
  Speaker 6: just incorporating his legs somehow. The other way, which might
• 48:10
  Speaker 6: be the way they end up having to go, is well,
• 48:12
  Speaker 6: if you can't score in the red zone, just to
• 48:14
  Speaker 6: start taking shots from right outside the red zone, like
• 48:17
  Speaker 6: once you get to the twenty five. Yeah, just just
• 48:20
  Speaker 6: you know, to have him throw, you know, vertically into
• 48:23
  Speaker 6: the end zone from from outside the red zone. So
• 48:26
  Speaker 6: you know, those high red zone shot plays might be
• 48:28
  Speaker 6: another way that they can kind of get around that.
• 48:32
  Speaker 6: But they don't have the the personnel right now on
• 48:35
  Speaker 6: the offensive line to like move people on the goal line.
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: It's just they just haven't been able to run the
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: football down there.
• 48:41
  Speaker 7: Do you have any hope that Ramandro Stevenson with the
• 48:43
  Speaker 7: bye week, just has a little bit more juice.
• 48:45
  Speaker 9: Like I felt the last couple of games when he
• 48:47
  Speaker 9: came back.
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: I just feel like, I think it's all about the line.
• 48:50
  Speaker 8: And this is one of these ridiculous things that I
• 48:53
  Speaker 8: throw out there that I have no information on. I
• 48:56
  Speaker 8: feel like the red zone problem kind of started when
• 48:58
  Speaker 8: he got hurt. I don't remember earlier in the year
• 49:00
  Speaker 8: that I'm having as many problems running, and I.
• 49:02
  Speaker 6: Think it started when he fumbled. When he started having
• 49:05
  Speaker 6: the fumble issues, and it could it could be, it.
• 49:08
  Speaker 8: Could be, but I do think that he's an important
• 49:10
  Speaker 8: part of that. They need him, They need him to
• 49:13
  Speaker 8: be the batter and ram that he has always been.
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: I just like I I when you're running the ball
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: on the one yard line, like you can run through
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: somebody in school, you think that maybe he's too tentative.
• 49:23
  Speaker 8: I just try that.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: Like, I understand that it would be ideal to block
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: it up and get a nice clean.
• 49:28
  Speaker 8: Shot at it, but mostly that's not how you got right.
• 49:32
  Speaker 6: And so you know, hopefully they can put Toga back
• 49:36
  Speaker 6: there and they put you know, Remondra behind Tonga, and
• 49:39
  Speaker 6: you know, you just ram it into the end zone,
• 49:42
  Speaker 6: like and that shouldn't be this hard, Yeah, nobody should.
• 49:45
  Speaker 7: I still just remember the Remondery of Week one last year,
• 49:47
  Speaker 7: you know, breaking tackles left and right in the backfield.
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, not a necessity.
• 49:51
  Speaker 7: But you know, we just we talked to him in
• 49:53
  Speaker 7: the locker room a couple of weeks style about fumble.
• 49:56
  Speaker 8: That point that Evan made about the fumbles is probably accurate.
• 50:00
  Speaker 8: Maybe why because you don't get a lot. I mean,
• 50:02
  Speaker 8: it happens once in a while where it just opens
• 50:04
  Speaker 8: up in the goal line the guy Waltz is in.
• 50:05
  Speaker 8: That doesn't happen a lot. Yeah, yeah, you know, usually
• 50:07
  Speaker 8: you've got to make some you got to you know,
• 50:09
  Speaker 8: fight through a linebacker or in the gap or something.
• 50:11
  Speaker 8: And I mean, you say, so many guys you can
• 50:14
  Speaker 8: block it.
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: Just it makes me wonder.
• 50:15
  Speaker 7: I brought this topic up thinking about his toe and
• 50:17
  Speaker 7: just health, but maybe it's even a mental thing where
• 50:19
  Speaker 7: it's like we're eleven and two almost.
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 50:23
  Speaker 7: But I was gonna say, we talked to him in
• 50:25
  Speaker 7: the locker room a couple weeks ago, and it just,
• 50:26
  Speaker 7: you know, when he first came back, and it seemed
• 50:27
  Speaker 7: to me like he's still really fighting through something.
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: It's not like, oh, I'm healthy, now I'm back it.
• 50:33
  Speaker 17: You know.
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: It feels like this is going to be a process
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: to get over this toe thing, whatever it was.
• 50:36
  Speaker 6: So that's that's why the mad like option plays could help,
• 50:41
  Speaker 6: because like you're when you're down by the goal line,
• 50:44
  Speaker 6: you don't have to put a safety in the deep
• 50:45
  Speaker 6: part of the field because there is no deep part
• 50:47
  Speaker 6: of the field. So now that safety is in the
• 50:49
  Speaker 6: box sure, near the line of scrimmage. So now you're
• 50:51
  Speaker 6: you're you can't, like to Paul's point, you can't block
• 50:54
  Speaker 6: them all. And so if you have Drake, then you're
• 50:57
  Speaker 6: able to use him to hold the backside and it
• 51:00
  Speaker 6: occupies a defender, maybe even two defenders depending on how
• 51:03
  Speaker 6: you design it. So that way there, you're actually gonna
• 51:06
  Speaker 6: leave those guys purposely unblocked and you're gonna hope that
• 51:09
  Speaker 6: they react to the quarterback and then you can get
• 51:12
  Speaker 6: the numbers to where you're actually trying to run the football.
• 51:15
  Speaker 6: So like in theory that that's why those plays work
• 51:18
  Speaker 6: so well in like short yardage and low red zone
• 51:20
  Speaker 6: opportunities is because you're you're evening up the numbers. Now
• 51:23
  Speaker 6: you're playing eleven on eleven instead of ten on eleven
• 51:26
  Speaker 6: if you're the offense.
• 51:27
  Speaker 7: Jordan is in Canada, Jordan, Yes, Jordan, or Jordan's Jordan.
• 51:34
  Speaker 10: Hi.
• 51:34
  Speaker 18: Guys as just generally anxious person and anxious Patriots fan.
• 51:41
  Speaker 18: I want so badly to just jump on the Drake
• 51:44
  Speaker 18: May thing and like be like, yes, he saved us,
• 51:48
  Speaker 18: He's our guy, you know, And I'm starting to become convinced.
• 51:51
  Speaker 18: But something that Evan said.
• 51:53
  Speaker 19: Yesterday kind of made me question or it made me think,
• 51:56
  Speaker 19: so the cause Evan yesterday you said something along the
• 52:00
  Speaker 19: lines of the Patriots won't will likely not lose in
• 52:06
  Speaker 19: a fashion of like a defensive rock fight. You can
• 52:10
  Speaker 19: more likely see them losing in like a shootout, like
• 52:15
  Speaker 19: a battle to the end.
• 52:17
  Speaker 18: And I was just wondering why you guys think that,
• 52:20
  Speaker 18: because honestly, the offense hasn't scored over like twenty something
• 52:24
  Speaker 18: points all season, So why do you think that we
• 52:27
  Speaker 18: have a better shot in winning a game like forty
• 52:30
  Speaker 18: five to forty three? Like, I don't know, I just
• 52:34
  Speaker 18: don't see it. I want to that's exciting, but like,
• 52:37
  Speaker 18: I don't know, I'm just not convinced. I want to
• 52:40
  Speaker 18: be convinced. So what are your guys just thow?
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think question or flopped it.
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: I think you're better off winning a game, a lower
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: scoring game, So you.
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: Think there's more chance they win a rock fight than
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: a shootout.
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: Correct. I haven't seen them win a shootout. They haven't
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: really had to, right, right, So that's that's valid.
• 53:00
  Speaker 8: That would be My argument is, like we talk about
• 53:02
  Speaker 8: that they haven't scored that many points, like offensive points, well,
• 53:07
  Speaker 8: the most points they've allowed is what twenty seven? Yeah,
• 53:10
  Speaker 8: and that was once with a kick with a punt return,
• 53:13
  Speaker 8: it was twenty three.
• 53:14
  Speaker 6: Otherwise, it's under twenty three that during the entire winning streak,
• 53:17
  Speaker 6: they haven't given up more than twenty three in ten.
• 53:19
  Speaker 8: Stright, right, I mean, the only the only time they
• 53:21
  Speaker 8: give up twenty three in any game was the Miami
• 53:23
  Speaker 8: game that they give up the punt return for a touchdown.
• 53:25
  Speaker 6: I guess that was really only twenty that one. I
• 53:27
  Speaker 6: guess you could it was a mini shootout. I don't
• 53:30
  Speaker 6: know if that was a full flag shootout, and I.
• 53:32
  Speaker 8: Would, you know, sub mini shootout, subtract the seven for both,
• 53:35
  Speaker 8: because right, you know, the Patriots then in turn turned
• 53:38
  Speaker 8: the kick off of the punt return for a touchdown.
• 53:41
  Speaker 8: But yeah, to Jordan's point, they haven't really been in
• 53:45
  Speaker 8: those shootouts, and maybe you don't know if they can
• 53:47
  Speaker 8: they can win one.
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I.
• 53:53
  Speaker 8: I don't know how i'd feel relying on the defense
• 53:56
  Speaker 8: to win the game. I think the defense has not
• 53:58
  Speaker 8: been put in a ton of really bad spots. When
• 54:01
  Speaker 8: they have, they've come through every time I've chronicled Miami, Cincinnati,
• 54:05
  Speaker 8: New Orleans like they've when they've had to stop the
• 54:07
  Speaker 8: other team at the end of the game they have.
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you want to be in that situation.
• 54:12
  Speaker 6: I think I more look at it just from like
• 54:15
  Speaker 6: how the script of the game, like how the game
• 54:18
  Speaker 6: flow goes, Like I don't know if it's necessarily relying
• 54:20
  Speaker 6: on the defense, but maybe it's a short it's a
• 54:22
  Speaker 6: shortened game where each team only has like eight possessions,
• 54:26
  Speaker 6: and like I just feel like the Patriots, I'm more
• 54:29
  Speaker 6: look at them as an efficient offense, not necessarily a
• 54:31
  Speaker 6: volume offense, Like they're very, very efficient, but in the
• 54:35
  Speaker 6: plays that they run.
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: But I haven't seen them.
• 54:38
  Speaker 6: You know, I haven't seen Drake mego against Josh Allen
• 54:41
  Speaker 6: and win forty five to forty.
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying you can't.
• 54:44
  Speaker 6: I'm just saying you haven't seen it, right, So I
• 54:46
  Speaker 6: just I would rather all year long, they've been playing
• 54:49
  Speaker 6: games that are are like you know in this that
• 54:52
  Speaker 6: that twenty three point range right, Like I.
• 54:58
  Speaker 8: Haven't really lit the school board up. Even their offense
• 55:00
  Speaker 8: has been really good.
• 55:01
  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, I'm just thinking of the Bengals Bills game
• 55:03
  Speaker 7: last weekend where you know, it's all of a sudden,
• 55:05
  Speaker 7: Joe Burrow is taking the field and he needs to
• 55:07
  Speaker 7: go score. You know, those kind of situations you haven't
• 55:10
  Speaker 7: really seen them in And that's maybe one of the
• 55:13
  Speaker 7: things I'm wondering most about this game. Is this game
• 55:16
  Speaker 7: going to be a game that's a little off script
• 55:18
  Speaker 7: from what we've seen, because I mean, I mean, and
• 55:20
  Speaker 7: maybe this is I don't know, I'm just this is
• 55:21
  Speaker 7: off the top of my head. But I would say generally,
• 55:23
  Speaker 7: like the games have all kind of felt the same, like,
• 55:25
  Speaker 7: you know, there's maybe some little lulls, but generally they
• 55:27
  Speaker 7: kind of just keep pulling away and then in the
• 55:29
  Speaker 7: second half they're able to ice it out and you know,
• 55:32
  Speaker 7: the other team never really makes that late push where
• 55:35
  Speaker 7: you're like, Okay, Drake, there's four minutes left in the
• 55:37
  Speaker 7: fourth quarter.
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: Josh Allen just let his team down the field. Now
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: it's your turn to go do it.
• 55:41
  Speaker 7: And to me, that's the perfect like MVP showcase, you know,
• 55:45
  Speaker 7: like it's just that that could line up to.
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: Be a perfect feather and Drake mayscap.
• 55:49
  Speaker 8: And I know you want to go to the emails, Freddie,
• 55:51
  Speaker 8: I'll give you one more thing that I would like
• 55:53
  Speaker 8: about the Patriots chances in one of those rock fight
• 55:55
  Speaker 8: kind of games, is I think Rabel and stretch have
• 55:58
  Speaker 8: demonstrated a really good asp of game situations. You know,
• 56:03
  Speaker 8: you asked me yesterday any clock management an that kind,
• 56:07
  Speaker 8: you know, any ref bashing? Well, I left out an
• 56:09
  Speaker 8: enormous one from one of the guys that I have
• 56:11
  Speaker 8: the most respect for. And Andy Reid going for a
• 56:14
  Speaker 8: fourth down, you know, in a ten ten game at
• 56:17
  Speaker 8: that time, was certainly risky. Now I understand probably more
• 56:22
  Speaker 8: than most. Like everybody says, you know, so people that
• 56:25
  Speaker 8: don't know it was tie game, fourth quarter, they're in there.
• 56:28
  Speaker 8: I think they're on their own thirty one. They went
• 56:30
  Speaker 8: for a fourth and a long one and I think
• 56:33
  Speaker 8: Rashi Rice dropped a pass and I'll obviously kind of
• 56:37
  Speaker 8: just handed Houston to go ahead points. Everybody said that
• 56:41
  Speaker 8: was dumb. He should have punted. Your defense was playing
• 56:45
  Speaker 8: really well. I would kind of counter. Now, I would
• 56:48
  Speaker 8: have punted, full disclosure, I absolutely would have punted. But
• 56:53
  Speaker 8: if the reason I would have punted it was because
• 56:54
  Speaker 8: my defense was playing really well, well, shouldn't I expect
• 56:58
  Speaker 8: the defense to continue to play really well and up
• 57:00
  Speaker 8: with a stop and make him.
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: Kick a field goal.
• 57:02
  Speaker 8: You make it a little bit tougher, but you'll let
• 57:04
  Speaker 8: him go six place thirty one yards touchdown, like if
• 57:07
  Speaker 8: you if you give up a field goal there, my
• 57:09
  Speaker 8: defense continued to play well, like I think he was
• 57:11
  Speaker 8: showing confidence in his defense.
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: Is my point?
• 57:13
  Speaker 12: Oh?
• 57:14
  Speaker 6: Yes, you just that you just made the nerd argument.
• 57:17
  Speaker 6: That's what that that's the nerd argument right there. But
• 57:20
  Speaker 6: then is that if you look at you that way,
• 57:22
  Speaker 6: if you rely on it, if you're saying I don't
• 57:25
  Speaker 6: really like myself right now, if you're saying that your
• 57:27
  Speaker 6: defense is the strength, then shouldn't you trust your defense
• 57:31
  Speaker 6: to hold.
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: That your defense? If I don't get it, my defense
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: is going to come through.
• 57:38
  Speaker 8: And but there's ten minutes left, I'm okay being down three, right,
• 57:42
  Speaker 8: I'll give them because.
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: He did he did it, but he didn't know he
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: did it, and I like that you No, No, I
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: backed into it. I knew what I was doing.
• 57:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: But the thing that that really stood out to me
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: was it's not like.
• 57:57
  Speaker 8: This whole thing about the analytics that never like they
• 58:01
  Speaker 8: don't take the game situation. That's why I would have
• 58:04
  Speaker 8: punted because I don't need to get the yard. The
• 58:08
  Speaker 8: yard like to me, is not like going to translate
• 58:10
  Speaker 8: to points. Like let's just say they got it. It's
• 58:12
  Speaker 8: a rock fight. That doesn't mean you're that you're eminently
• 58:15
  Speaker 8: going to score now. You might ultimately end up having
• 58:17
  Speaker 8: a punt anyway, So just punt.
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: Play it safe.
• 58:20
  Speaker 8: Don't put yourself in a situation where and Evan will
• 58:23
  Speaker 8: have the numbers. I don't know what it is, like
• 58:25
  Speaker 8: fourth and fourth and one. You probably have like an
• 58:29
  Speaker 8: eighty plus percent chance of converting.
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: That very high, Like I don't know exactly what it
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: is for twenty twenty.
• 58:35
  Speaker 8: A situation where one like you have the one of
• 58:39
  Speaker 8: the ten percent is going to cost you a game.
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: Right, And they don't.
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: They don't do the analytics, don't take in game situations
• 58:46
  Speaker 3: not part of the Curry Street mentioned it in the
• 58:48
  Speaker 3: last game.
• 58:49
  Speaker 8: Time and scorer is not really a big part of
• 58:51
  Speaker 8: those analytics.
• 58:52
  Speaker 3: It's also like, let's just say what a key defensive
• 58:55
  Speaker 3: player is hurt your guy in this particular game, and
• 58:59
  Speaker 3: that changes it.
• 59:00
  Speaker 8: Don't take time, I know, which is not true.
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: I'm just thanking you for that.
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: That's okay.
• 59:06
  Speaker 7: Let me ask you a question going into this game
• 59:08
  Speaker 7: for the Patriots perspective, would you go in with an
• 59:10
  Speaker 7: aggressive attitude?
• 59:11
  Speaker 9: Would you be saying to your team we need to
• 59:13
  Speaker 9: be aggressive tonight.
• 59:14
  Speaker 7: We need to you know, if we have a fourth
• 59:15
  Speaker 7: and two or you know, inside the twenty and we're
• 59:18
  Speaker 7: gonna need touchdowns to beat this.
• 59:19
  Speaker 8: Guy in Yes, I would have that, but it can
• 59:21
  Speaker 8: like this is why I would have caught game to players,
• 59:24
  Speaker 8: of course, because it's ten ten in the fourth quarter
• 59:26
  Speaker 8: in a freezing cold night where the offenses are not
• 59:28
  Speaker 8: really doing a whole lot.
• 59:29
  Speaker 6: Now, Yeah, that that's a That's the type of stuff
• 59:32
  Speaker 6: that that the math won't necessarily take into account, is
• 59:35
  Speaker 6: like what kind of game is unfolding in front of us?
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: What are the conditions? Who's hurt?
• 59:39
  Speaker 6: Like all those different types of things. But down in
• 59:41
  Speaker 6: distance and time left in the game is that's what
• 59:44
  Speaker 6: goes into the computer, Like the computer you spin, you
• 59:47
  Speaker 6: put in the computer, it's fourth and one, it's ten
• 59:50
  Speaker 6: to ten, there's eight minutes left. Should I go for
• 59:52
  Speaker 6: it or should I not go for it?
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but there are other factors in I just say
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: that I know what I'm saying. It doesn't it's not.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 10: No.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 3: All all these analytics do is say what happened in
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 3: the past it and that's all it does.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: That's how I understand it. If I'm wrong.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 8: If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, and I'm not telling you
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 8: that i'm right because I do not do the nerd stuff.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 8: But I think that the percentages when when the game,
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 8: when you're watching a game and they put up ESPN says, go,
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 8: they're not doing that. They're putting in it's a it's
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 8: a fourth and two. These are the percentages of fourth
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 8: and two's that have been converted.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 6: That's not how that, like our guys, Stretch is not
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 6: doing it that way that they put into the computer.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 6: It's fourth and two, it's ten to ten, there's nine
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 6: minutes left in the game.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: Now it doesn't put in that.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 6: It's the bills without ed Oliver and without it doesn't
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 6: have all those factors.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: And maybe they have a way to do that because
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: it does better. But I'm telling you, I'm just telling
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: you what it does, Okay, and then it doesn't. That's
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: that's it is, word for it. That's how it goes.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 16: Well.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: I have, like I don't have our calculator, and I
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: have a calculator that's public.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 6: That that this is the You put the field position,
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 6: you put the time and score, you put the down
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 6: and distance, and it spits out whether or not you
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 6: should go forward or.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: Not, and you better also be putting in how has
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 3: our defense been performing this game, so that any other
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 3: factor that.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 6: To me is why the Atriot system works so well
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 6: or has worked, is because I think Stretching, the guys
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 6: up top are doing the computers.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: And that's the point that I stayed with.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 8: I feel like Rabel and Stretch have demonstrated a good
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 8: grasp of game situation.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 6: Because I think Rabel is what Fred is saying, and
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 6: he puts that thought into it. Stretch puts the nerd
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 6: math into it, and they come in the middle and
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 6: they say, this is what we're going to do.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 8: Now.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 6: Most of their decisions do go by the numbers, just
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 6: in terms of being lockstep with the numbers. But I
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 6: think the bigger thing in terms of, like, you know,
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 6: the analytics with all these game situation type of things,
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 6: it does also account for what is your win percentage
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 6: if you fail and what is your win percentage if
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 6: you succeed, And it takes into count the fact that
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 6: you could fail. Now your win percentage when you fail
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 6: might be only one percentage point less than if you
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 6: you know, if you fail if you punt right, So
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 6: that is why that comes into this as well. Like
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 6: if we kick a field goal here, we have a
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 6: seventy six percent chance of winning, but if we fail
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 6: this fourth down, we have a seventy five percent chance
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 6: of winning. So for the one percentage point difference, we're
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 6: gonna go.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 3: I just like it when the people making the decisions
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 3: have either played the game or coach the game.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: That makes me feel better.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: But don't you wantry doing it?
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 7: Like? I think I could have confidence you were doing
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 7: it like, I mean, I think you're pretty aware of
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 7: these all.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 8: I mean, I I'm sure I would choke like a
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 8: dog if I was doing it for real, as opposed
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 8: to making fun of Stark Hanson on Red Zone.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 6: I think it's I think it's really cool how the
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 6: Patriots do it because they have they have them, they
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 6: have the algorithms, and then they make a decisions and
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 6: then Vray Bulk is able to have a great feel
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 6: of like what's the situation, how are we feeling?
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: What's the you know, what's who were we playing? Who's hurt,
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: who's not hurt? What player are we getting to?
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 8: Right?
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 6: You know, they kicked the field goal on the goal
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 6: line in Buffalo before the half, make it six to three.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 6: Then they had the same exact situation later on in
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 6: the season and they went for it on fourth down
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 6: and scored a touchdown before the half in Tampa Bay.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: And he's the exact same situation.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 3: I guarantee you, and I know it's impossible to prove
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 3: something that will never happen or hasn't happened. But if
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 3: for you know, if for the next five years or
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 3: you know, every team just went strictly by the analytics,
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 3: in ten years, the analytics would change.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: Maybe see what I'm saying.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 6: I doe, Yeah, but I just want to Yeah, I
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 6: think that I think that there's a happy median of it,
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 6: and I think the Patriots have struck that exact middle
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 6: of where and I think that's why there.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: To be that way.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 3: It's it's just common sense. You have to look at
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 3: your situation in that particular game. Fine, look at history.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 3: But today is today, and Milton Williams just went out
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 3: and he's gone for the game, and that affects my
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 3: decision making.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: That didn't affect the analytics.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 8: That's why I like the way Mike in stretch have
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 8: done it so far. You know, hopefully they'll continue because
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 8: they do, I think, adjust based on what's actually happening
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 8: that day as opposed to all of the data that
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 8: they bring to the game.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah I have to go to Vrabel, but I just
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: you don't have to.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: What's this day?
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: Oh great?
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 6: Cool, exactly what I wanted to hear. I just think
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 6: that I wish it's different than like debating like should
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 6: they have gone?
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: Should they not? Ever?
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 6: Like the down nine go for two things like you
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 6: can have your own opinions on that. I just wish
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 6: there was a better like what I just broke down
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 6: of how what like what you actually put into the
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 6: model and what it actually spits out. Like I don't
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 6: think that there's a great grasp in the actual like
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 6: national NFL zeitgeist of like how these analytics models work.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 6: Because Paul what Paul said, I understand. I think Paul
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 6: is in the majority that think that it's just in
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 6: any blanket fourth and two situation, you know what's the
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 6: mass say, and there's there is more like factors that
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 6: get plugged into the computer.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 8: They're just telling you when they put the numbers up
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 8: on ESPN. They're not factoring in time and score. They're
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 8: just saying this is the amount of this is the
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 8: percentage of making it.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: I would like to know who like what they're doing then,
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: because the teams, obviously I agree with you.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 8: I would just want to hear you, boy Alex, say
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 8: that they don't do that, because I was always under
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 8: the impression that they do.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: Even putting time and scoring isn't enough in my opinion.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: What else would you like them to put in?
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: I'm sious, like, how has my defense been playing?
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: Well, you can't. How do you quantify that?
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: Like exactly?
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 8: But I just know, but how my defense is playing
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 8: this game, I could make an argument to do either
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 8: one like I just sort of mapped it out. I
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 8: could make a strong argument to defend Andy reached decision
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 8: based on how his defense.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: Was in that particular case, right yeah, okay.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 8: But everybody else said the opposite because the way the
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 8: defense was playing, I punted the ball, right yeah.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 6: I just think that I just wish that when we
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 6: talk about these things there was a little bit more
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 6: education on the part of the people doing the talking
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 6: to explain exactly how the teams are using it, because
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 6: it has such a negative like stigma right now of
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 6: like anti like of analytics, and yet this is what's driving.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: Ninety nine point nine percent of the decisions, and.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 3: The analytics were created to give nerds a reason to
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 3: be involved. They grew up cannot be able to be
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 3: involved in sports, and they've created a way. And I
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 3: give them credit. They're very creative to be now involved
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 3: in sports is where they grew up, not having a
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 3: role in sports.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: They were one who's the side? I mean, so I
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: would marginalize.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 3: I guess now they've become right in the middle, love
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 3: it because they've creatively figured out a way to become
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 3: involved in sports.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: All credit goes to them. Well, we just attack.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: At the So before you go real quick, Yes, you'd
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: have to start.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 8: You'd have to do a lot to convince me that
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 8: Dan Campbell was punching in time and score in the
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 8: NFC Championship Game a couple of years ago.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: With a seventeen point lead. Yeah. I don't know.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 6: I I know that their nerds do. I don't know
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 6: what Dan Campbell goes by. That's Dan Campbell question. But
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 6: I again, it's not so much about like I just
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 6: wish that we educated people better on because I'm telling
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 6: you that all thirty two teams now have a nerd
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 6: in the coaches booth that's telling them what the math
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 6: is telling them. So like, this is what's driving the decisions.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 6: So instead of doing the Fred and finger wagging at it, like,
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 6: let's just try to explain.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: Let's just try to explain it to people.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 6: You don't have to agree with it, yeah, but let's
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 6: at least get the right messaging out there of this
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 6: is what's going into it.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: I know what goes into it, so then you can
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: make the decision.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 6: So I actually say, and I'm not saying you have
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 6: to agree, I'm just saying, like, I just don't think
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 6: that there's a very good education of what actually is happening.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 7: Well, it's the assumption that people are punching numbers in
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 7: a computer and then whatever it says they're just doing.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, thank you, all right.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 8: And I would say like as a whole, and this
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 8: is people might be surprised because while I've not done
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 8: what Fred just did to dismiss the the the uh
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 8: oh you want you want to do the nerds, I
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 8: I generally do push back against the nerds a lot.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 8: I love that the nerds have at least allowed the
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 8: coaches to open their minds a little bit and be
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 8: a little bit more creative when it comes to some
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 8: of these in game decisions. I think that's a good
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 8: development for the league. Too often it was, well, it's
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 8: fourth down, we kick here, whether it be field goal
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 8: or punt, let's go to Mike Vrabel.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 5: Send anything we can. Well, wishes to Kevin and Letitia Falk.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 5: Obviously we're all heartbroken. Kevin was a teammate. He's a
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 5: huge part of this legacy here, this football team, and
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 5: you know the impact that he made and here and
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 5: coaching in college, and how much he loved LSU. And
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 5: I'm sure that they like there's no words to describe
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 5: what they're going through, but just wanted to make sure
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 5: that everybody knows that we care deeply about Kevin and
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 5: his family, and our thoughts and our prayers are with them.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 5: So obviously a tough time for that, but we have to,
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 5: you know, prepare here. I appreciate it.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 6: Thank you, given mistakes of the atmosphere, the opponent win
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 6: or lose. Do you see this game as kind of being.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: Valuable prep for what might apply.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 5: Ahead assuming you get in Puss Well, I hope that
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 5: everything we do we only get seventeen opportunities, right, so
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 5: that all of that hap us to be valuable. Prep
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 5: you know, they all they all count the same at
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 5: the end. You know, this is a great stage that
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 5: we put ourselves on and that's exciting. But obviously hopefully
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 5: we've been able to draw from from different opportunities that
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 5: we've had too to help us. And so what we're
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 5: focused on is is the previous opportunities that can help
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 5: us this week, and then whatever we're able to learn
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 5: from the game on Sunday going forward to help us
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 5: the next week. That's what we're trying to do.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: Like what are some of the challenges of the second
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 2: meeting in the the vision that you've seen.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 5: Over the years, they've they've changed, they've continued to evolve,
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 5: and you know, they've continued to improve. And again we
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 5: talked about the respect that that we have for them
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 5: as a as a football team. Players and coaches. Just
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 5: draw on some games here in the past. I mean,
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 5: it's twenty to ten. In our game, they didn't bat
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 5: an eye. They came back and tied it in the
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 5: fourth quarter. We were up two scores in the fourth quarter.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 5: You know, we needed our best execution and kick to
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 5: win it. Well, it was the Tampa Bay game, you know,
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 5: being down and then winning the game going away, Pittsburgh
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 5: down seven to three and then really just played tremendous
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 5: football in a second half, and then last week to
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 5: score a game with eight minutes to go in the
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 5: fourth quarter. So never any panic over there. That's a
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 5: veteran team. This is They're familiar with their program. So
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 5: however the game unfolds, it'll we'll have to do everything
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 5: that we can to play the entire four quarters or
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 5: then some if we need to. Mike, I know that
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 5: Buffalo is chalented all across the board.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 17: But in terms of their offense, how important did Josh
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 17: Allen is the tight end part of that?
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 5: That's I think that's grown. I think that you know,
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 5: I mean, you could see when ken Kaid's back out there,
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 5: the the matchup and his skill set and in the
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 5: passing game, you know, great speed and athleticism, catch radius,
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 5: very quarterback friendly. Obviously Dawson does a little bit of both,
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 5: and the Hawes has just you know, been able to
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 5: really I would say, not only neutralized, but moved the
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 5: line of scrimmage on his responsibilities, and I think they
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 5: just continued to evolve in that regard and using you know,
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 5: all three of those.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: Guys, like the people in Las Vegas, have you guys
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: as underdogs?
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 5: Sunday An?
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: Who are the people?
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 5: Ben?
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 10: There?
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 5: You go are? They're called odds makers, not people. There's
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 5: a lot of people in Las Vegas like they only
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 5: there's only a few of them that they trust to
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 5: set the line.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: So do you pay attention to that? I mean, do
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: you notice that?
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 10: M No?
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 5: I mean again it gets brought to attention. I don't
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 5: think that, you know. I mean it's every week you see,
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 5: you know in this league that records really don't mean anything,
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  Speaker 5: and you know, the point spreads and survivor polls get
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  Speaker 5: blown up every week and all that other stuff. So
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  Speaker 5: we're just trying to focus on our preparation here and
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  Speaker 5: get back into it. You know, had a good day Monday,
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 5: excited about the meetings thus far today and then you know,
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  Speaker 5: progressed through the week, been out for the last couple
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  Speaker 5: of games.
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  Speaker 1: What have you seen the proper Jonsters?
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  Speaker 10: Because some good guys like Quarter and Eric.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, and I think Corey's continue to improve and play
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  Speaker 5: a lot of football for us and Eric's you know,
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  Speaker 5: taking the opportunities on Thursdays that we've had and those
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  Speaker 5: competitive practices to get better and to get better, and
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 5: you know, again we'll need everybody up front. You know
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  Speaker 5: how important the ability to stop the run is this week,
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  Speaker 5: and you know that's just a large part of what
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 5: they do. They have a lot of confidence in it.
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  Speaker 5: Not the only thing that they do. They do a
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  Speaker 5: lot of things well, but you know, certainly they're gonna
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  Speaker 5: run it until you stop them, and then they're gonna
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  Speaker 5: have everything off of it.
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  Speaker 12: Josh Allen's long touchdown around last week, so it was
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 12: a defensive back who was still covering a wide receiver.
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  Speaker 12: Is Josh Allen's running into the end zone And I'm
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  Speaker 12: just thinking on that's the perfect example why you don't
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  Speaker 12: want to play man against Alan.
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  Speaker 1: Does he remove things that you can do defensively because of.
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  Speaker 5: His worth killing Well, you just have to Again, I
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  Speaker 5: don't think you can sit in any one thing. And
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  Speaker 5: certainly there's situations where you have to play man in
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 5: this league and you have to be on body. But
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  Speaker 5: then again there's other things that then have to account
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  Speaker 5: when you have an athletic quarterback you're gonna account for
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  Speaker 5: the extra gap or the ability to scramble, uh to
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  Speaker 5: extend plays and all those different things. So I don't
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  Speaker 5: think that there's one particular coverage or defense or blitz
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  Speaker 5: that you can sit there and be in the entire game.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 5: I think it's about picking the opportunities and then you know,
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  Speaker 5: when you get an opportunity to make a play on him,
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  Speaker 5: you got to do everything that you can to you know,
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  Speaker 5: to get him on the ground and not jump when
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  Speaker 5: he pumped fakes or fall down when he's steph arms
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  Speaker 5: you or anything else.
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  Speaker 20: Five when you were you held kamstupt on your fifty
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  Speaker 20: rushing yards.
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  Speaker 6: I'm just curious when you look back at that film,
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  Speaker 6: what allowed defense to be so effective in limiting that
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  Speaker 6: run game?
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  Speaker 5: Well, I mean, I think the way that we got
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  Speaker 5: you know, we were able to get a lead there
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  Speaker 5: and probably limited some of the carries in the second half,
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  Speaker 5: and that the way that the game unfolded. But you know,
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  Speaker 5: I think early on in the ability for our offense
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  Speaker 5: to you possess the ball, you know, we'll have to
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  Speaker 5: do everything we did in that game and then some
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  Speaker 5: to you know, try to neutralize him in the run game.
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  Speaker 2: I'll enjoyable has been to coach Mac Hollins this season
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  Speaker 2: and what's he.
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  Speaker 1: Meant to his team?
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  Speaker 5: Mat brings a great spirit, you know, to work every day.
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  Speaker 5: It's a great teammate. You know. I actually showed a clip,
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  Speaker 5: you know, from the first game on a kickoff coverage
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  Speaker 5: and maxed over there, excited and not going in the game,
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  Speaker 5: but he's into it. Somebody made a tackle and Max
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  Speaker 5: the first one cheering on the sidelines. And those are
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  Speaker 5: the little things that that mean a lot, I think
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  Speaker 5: to me. So again, we we asked him to do
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  Speaker 5: a lot of different things, and you know, again, I
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  Speaker 5: think just the spirit that he brings to work and
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  Speaker 5: the teammate that he is.
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  Speaker 4: Believe the Bills us fought me in protection to one
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  Speaker 4: of the highest rates in the league.
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  Speaker 5: What allows him to live in that world?
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: And also how do you weigh the balance between wanted.
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  Speaker 5: To play coverage and rushing against that kind of stame.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, I think when a quarterback and again you
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  Speaker 5: bring six and they block five quarterbacks got the sixth one,
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  Speaker 5: so he pump fakes him or spins or stiff arms him.
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  Speaker 5: You know, I think Josh just has a good ability
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  Speaker 5: to know when he's hot or no, you know where
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  Speaker 5: he needs to go with football, and and you know,
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  Speaker 5: even if it's a four man rush, I don't think
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  Speaker 5: he ever really panics and he's able to extend or
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  Speaker 5: just find where he wants to go with football and
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 5: when they do get five out and so. And then
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  Speaker 5: the other question was what did you ask me about
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  Speaker 5: when do we need to pressure and when we decide
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  Speaker 5: to just again we have to mix it up. I
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  Speaker 5: think you just have to, huh, you know, pick and
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  Speaker 5: choose your spots. And again, you wanna be sound and
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  Speaker 5: everything that you do, you know, you don't want to
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  Speaker 5: just leave it up to chance and hope that he's
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  Speaker 5: not gonna find somebody. You want to make sure that
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  Speaker 5: everybody's covered or that zones are accounted for and that
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  Speaker 5: you know, the rush lanes are sound and that you
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  Speaker 5: have an ability to you know, defend and you can't
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  Speaker 5: be cautious, but you have to, you know, be sound.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 5: I think like all your.
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  Speaker 10: Time in the league, what common allies have you seen,
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  Speaker 10: the rivalries you've participated in, do you see any of
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  Speaker 10: those elements possibly here with Bubbalo?
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  Speaker 5: M I just got here. So I mean again, I
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  Speaker 5: know that they've won the division five years in a row.
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  Speaker 5: I don't think there's really much of a rivalry for
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  Speaker 5: those years. Maybe not. I don't know. I wasn't paying
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  Speaker 5: any attention to it. I'm just focused on a very
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  Speaker 5: good football team that you know is used to winning,
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  Speaker 5: and they're determined and they're resilient, and you know we'll
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  Speaker 5: have to be at our best.
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  Speaker 10: So mentioned sound rush lanes you're blitzing or not? And
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 10: how important is it this week against Allen to try to.
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: Keep him in the pocket.
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  Speaker 5: Well, you keep me in the pocket, and he's just
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  Speaker 5: gonna stand there and wait for somebody to uncover. So
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  Speaker 5: you know, I mean again that's there. I mean you
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  Speaker 5: can keep me in the pocket. You can stand there
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  Speaker 5: and we can we can all just stand there and
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 5: he'll do you know, he'll do this, And I mean
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  Speaker 5: you have to just again, coordinated and relentless is probably
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  Speaker 5: the best way to to phrase it. And because again
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 5: you say we'll keep me in the pocket, and then
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  Speaker 5: guys are just standing there and they're cautious, and we
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  Speaker 5: don't want to we want to coach that way. We
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  Speaker 5: want to make sure that we're trying to remain aggressive.
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  Speaker 5: But certainly sound and you know when he does extend,
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  Speaker 5: then we're gonna need a plaster and you know, have guys,
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  Speaker 5: you know, be able to to come up and help us.
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  Speaker 8: Like, how do you feel about the offense's ability to
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  Speaker 8: improve some of the short yard and red zone and
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  Speaker 8: issues that have acrop the last few weeks?
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  Speaker 5: Feel good? Feel good like I do about everything that
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  Speaker 5: we're trying to coach and improve. And you know, there's
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  Speaker 5: things that we've done really well, there's things that we've
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  Speaker 5: done okay. So again, whatever situation it is that comes up,
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  Speaker 5: will have to be prepared for it and be able
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  Speaker 5: to extend drives no matter what the down and distance is.
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  Speaker 5: And I think most importantly, you know, have a understanding
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  Speaker 5: of how critical the red zone is when you get
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  Speaker 5: down there, and that everything that we've been preaching and
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  Speaker 5: talking about will have to continue to execute and make
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  Speaker 5: sure that we're doing everything we can to get touchdowns
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  Speaker 5: and the difference that that makes and close ball games
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  Speaker 5: and force them to kick field goals. The same thing
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 5: can be said defensively. So I think we were both
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  Speaker 5: too for or last game. And you know again that
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  Speaker 5: in a close game, that's about what it turned out
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  Speaker 5: to be we made a kick at the end, and
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  Speaker 5: so if we can try to get him the kickfield
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  Speaker 5: to do everything we can to score touchdowns.
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  Speaker 10: Joe Brady the way he calls the game, obviously they're
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  Speaker 10: confident of the run game. And Josh, do you see
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  Speaker 10: them as more of a game plan week tweak offense
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  Speaker 10: or kind of do.
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  Speaker 8: History, time of day, like second minute, hour is the
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  Speaker 2: Syllable you should easily know. Look it up, Eric, Gloucester.
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  Speaker 22: Don't take my I live in Gloucester, mad Eric, don't
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  Speaker 1: the word oh you are? And what are you saying? One?
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  Speaker 2: One?
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  Speaker 9: He's saying that word a R E and oh you
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  Speaker 9: are are pronounced exactly the same our.
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  Speaker 1: There you go, and there it is our Paul, and
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  Speaker 9: It's technology right now.
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  Speaker 2: How many audibles our? Hour? He just said one?
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  Speaker 8: It has the little it has the little pronunciation. Guy,
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  Speaker 1: Did you hear how it was pronounced?
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  Speaker 2: It's one.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how many syllables it is. It's pronounced our.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, hour, it is not our.
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  Speaker 3: you hide it somewhere in the house and then they
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 3: have to go get it and then they see it.
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: Oh, so don't wrap it. You don't have to wrap it, right, Yeah.
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 1: I think we'll probably wrap it, okay.
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 8: I think that Beth is very anti Christmas gifts that
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 8: aren't wrapped, Like even like stocking stuffers need to be right.
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 3: Well, I guess you can still wrap it, but you
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 3: put it in the other room, so it's not evident
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 3: it's not sitting out there that Oh this is a TV.
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I don't know. It could be a
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 1: lot of things. Okay, it does look like a TV,
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: though I would agree it's kind of hard to say.
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 1: You ever, I don't think that's a TV.
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 2: You ever listen to Sebastian Menaschoolo in a medium.
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 3: Yes, he's got a funny bit where his father because
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 3: everything his father looks at.
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 2: How much you pay for that? And he goes, yes,
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 2: you pick what I could have made that. You can
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 2: make a seventy five inch TV.
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 1: You could have made it for a buck.
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 2: You could make a seventy five inch TV.
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 1: I love some of those. Those bits are great.
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, all right, eight five five pass five hundred.
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 3: Evan has gone because you know, he needs to go
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 3: talk to the players and deuces out there because he
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 3: needs to talk to the players.
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 2: But they'll be back, right, Oh No, Evan won't be.
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 8: Yeah, Mike will be and Evan. I'm not sure Evan's
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 8: coming back tomorrow. You little mean to him before the break?
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you think I heard him in two. I
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 3: think I heard him with the analytics don't shine.
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 8: I think you hurt his feelings with the analytics. Don't shine.
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 2: He's gonna analytics ass right now.
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 8: I mean, like I said, I do think there the
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 8: the infusion of the nerds. I think overall has been
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 8: a very good thing for the NFL because I think
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 8: it has allowed coaches to show more creativity and not
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 8: just do what they've always done for decades. I do
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 8: think there needs to be a balance. I think the
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 8: best coaches have demonstrated the ability to adapt and change
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 8: based on what's going on. And like I said, I
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 8: think that's one thing that I would give Mike Rabel
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 8: and edge in is if the game unfolds in a
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 8: certain way. I don't think we're going to be necessarily
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 8: critiquing his decisions. I haven't agreed with every one of
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 8: them that he's made this year.
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 5: Yep.
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 8: I'm not telling you that everything that they've done the
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 8: Patriots have done well.
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: I agree with that.
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 8: The one that they went for from their own like
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 8: fifteen yard line early in the year, I think it
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 8: was Pittsburgh.
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: They ended up getting it. I thought that was insane.
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 1: But for the most part.
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 8: I think his ability to adapt, based on the way
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 8: the game is unfolding, I think has been insane. Well
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 8: it's been different, you know what I mean. It's not
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 8: just that it's not like, well, I'm going for it
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 8: every time because the book tells me to go for it.
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 8: He's shown the ability to adapt.
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 3: He's a reasonable and common sense person. In other words,
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 3: Jeffrey and Canada writes in first Off, great to hear
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 3: all the fellow Canadians chiming in. Today must be a
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 3: day off up in canon.
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 8: We did get a lot of Canadian phone calls today.
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 2: Y's weird.
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 3: The Patriots do have a large following Canada, especially on
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 3: the East coast. Bills are a Toronto team. I believe
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 3: a third of their season tickets are owned by Canadians. However,
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 3: I must defend Jordan who called Evan did say shootout
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 3: was how we'd win, And maybe he misspoke, but he
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 3: said he's not worried about the Texans or Broncos because
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 3: they have weaker offenses, which I'm not saying he's wrong,
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 3: but the caller was correct.
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 8: I don't remember what Evans said in terms of shootout
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 8: or if he did or didn't say it. I think
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 8: what Evan's point was, and he can speak for himself tomorrow.
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 8: If you said he may not come back anymore, that's true.
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 8: But I think his point is he doesn't see anybody
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 8: being able to completely shut down Drake May, so they'll
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 8: be able to score enough points. In the case of
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 8: Denver and Houston, these are the two teams that have
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 8: particularly rankled his feathers. I think, yeah, he doesn't feel
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 8: that they have the offenses to keep up with the Patriots.
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 8: That doesn't necessarily mean you have to win thirty eight
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 8: thirty five. Yeah, Like in other words, he thinks, if
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 8: I can get to twenty four against those teams, I'm
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 8: gonna win because the other team can't get there. I
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 8: think that's Evans point. It might be semantic argument, which
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 8: is the basis of oh so many of our arguments
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 8: here on Patriots Unfiltered.
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, back to the phones. Marty is in
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 3: the Pacific Northwest. Hey, Marty, Marty, Maty maighty. Oh, we
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 3: didn't talk about Mike Vrabel any anything come out of
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 3: that of interest?
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 2: Do you think?
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 3: No?
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 8: We should mention though, and he opened up his press conference.
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 8: It's a tragedy with Kevin Falk lost his second daughter, Yeah,
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 8: thirty year old daughter. I don't really know any of
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 8: the details other than she passed away.
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 2: He was in the hospital.
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 8: Mike did open that up and talked about, you know,
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 8: just that's how that's Yeah, that's an unspeakable tragedy. But yeah,
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 8: I mean I thought a lot of you know, a
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 8: lot of respect obviously from Vrabel for Buffalo and for
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 8: Josh Allen in particular. That's where it mostly centatored on,
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 8: you know, But you know, like the whole thing about
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 8: how to attack him, I think Mike is right. There's
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 8: no you can't attack him one way, Like if you
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 8: want to try to be passive in the past rush
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 8: and keep him in the pocket, He's just going to
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 8: stand back there in direct traffic.
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 1: If you want to go after.
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 8: Him, then you better get him, right So, you know,
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 8: I think Taylor Kyle's asked him about Buffalo's propensity to
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 8: only keep five in and protection, you know, and Mike said, yeah,
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 8: you can send six if they're only going to block five,
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 8: but you better have that six guy. Better get him, yep,
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 8: otherwise you're in trouble. So I think Tom Curran asked
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 8: him about the long touchdown run that Allen had in
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 8: the Cincinnati game. Is that why you can't play man?
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 8: He said, well, if you only do one thing, you know,
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 8: that's that's not the right way to do it either.
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 8: And we did look it up, but Mike was still here.
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 8: That was one of their higher.
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 1: Man games.
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 8: That was the first time against Buffalo, and I think
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 8: that speaks to the lack of explosiveness in the Bill's
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 8: receiving cores. I think they feel like they can shut
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 8: down these guys with man coverage, so I think that's
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 8: the way he goes about it. But yeah, you know,
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 8: Allen's ability to run in those situations obviously is a concern.
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 5: Yep.
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 3: If Sean is in Boston, I hope I'm pronouncing your
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 3: name correctly as Sean.
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 14: Yep, you're pronouncing it correct. Hey, guys, I'm a first
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 14: time caller, a long time listener.
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 5: Nice.
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 14: Well, I think you guys might have talked about this earlier,
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 14: with the idea of like whether we can compete in
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 14: a shootout. I just didn't catch it. My question was
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 14: about I know we've talked a lot about we're not
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 14: sure if this offense can keep up in I guess,
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 14: like a shootout like game. But Mike question was, is
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 14: there not concern about seeing this Patriots team win in
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 14: a comeback fashion? And I'm talking about like down fourteen
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 14: to seventeen points at half, because I think it's much
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 14: easier for a defense to let up a lot of points.
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 14: But if the quarterback is kind of like the engine
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 14: of the team, you could have Drake maygo off for
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 14: four touchdowns and keep you in the game in the shootouts,
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 14: but I think it becomes a lot more difficult when
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 14: the offense is struggling for the defense to hold up
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 14: its end of the bargain, because I think that the
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 14: energy across the team might be a bit lower when
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 14: the offense is struggling. So I'm just wondering on your guys'
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 14: opinion on the importance of seeing a major comeback game
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 14: before we hit the playoffs as opposed to something like
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 14: a shootout where we know our offense can score a
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 14: lot of points.
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know, but I hear what you're saying.
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 3: It's so hard to manufacture those things.
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 1: Well, and I understand this question totally.
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 8: I just think that I don't ever want to be
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 8: down seventeen, right, and forget about manufacturing something. I don't
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 8: think if you come back from down seventeen in the
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 8: regular season, I still that doesn't mean it doesn't make
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 8: me any more confident in the playoffs if I'm down seventeen.
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 8: Now I understand what his point is, like, the players
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 8: will know what we've been here before.
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 2: We can do this.
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: I get it.
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 8: It's not gonna make it's not gonna make the situation
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 8: any less dire.
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 3: And we're impatient, you know, because, like you said it
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 3: right there, we've been there before. In order to have
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 3: been there before, you kind of need time to experience
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 3: all those different scenarios. Really, we're only talking one season
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 3: so far. Last forget about last season. I mean right,
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 3: I wipe that from my memory. So there's only so
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 3: many games in which to experience different scenarios. We haven't
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 3: seen everything yet, and it's gonna take time before this
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 3: version of the Patriots sees all those conditions.
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 8: So I totally get it. They haven't really had to
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 8: come back. And you know what you're talking about is,
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 8: you know, multi score of deficits late in the game.
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 8: That's desperation time. I don't care how many times that.
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 5: You you do it.
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 2: When was the first time Brady experienced that in his career?
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 8: Oh, like his first home was a second home winning Chargers.
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 8: Yeah right right, yeah, down ten with like three minutes left.
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 2: It was that San Diego.
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 8: Yeah, they ended up winning in overtime.
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 2: I remember.
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 8: So yeah, I mean I get it, you know, Like,
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 8: here's the most glaring example, coming back from twenty eight
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 8: to three in the Super Bowl. I don't know if
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 8: you felt better about it because, well, the Patriots have
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 8: done this before.
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 1: I didn't.
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 3: I well, they never did that before. Well, the Denver
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 3: game they were down twenty four to nothing or something.
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 8: Like that, twenty four to nothing. Yeah, but like I don't,
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 8: like Tom Brady had established his ability to come from behind, right,
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 8: And I think there was a belief in Brady. And
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 8: I think you heard you've heard anecdotes from defensive players
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 8: in the sidelin No, no, no, we got Brady from
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 8: the other team to the other right. Mohamed Sanu I
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 8: think said it. Yeah, but that's not a situation that
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 8: you want to find yourself in in the playoffs. Like
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 8: there's nobody that would say, like it's okay because we've
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 8: been the here before. Right now, everything's got to be perfect.
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 2: But you know, like if your team's that good, you
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 2: don't have that situation, So like, which do you.
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 1: Are the other team?
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 5: Is that bad?
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 3: They're not good enough to get that kind of a
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 3: lead on right, So which that's the Yeah, it's true.
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 3: We haven't really experienced that yet, so we don't know.
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 2: But you know, it is what it is.
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 3: There'll be a first time for everything, hopefully because this
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 3: is going to last for a while with this head
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 3: coach in this quarterback Sean's and Vancouver.
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 2: What's up Sean, Sean?
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 13: I really hope that song is going to play this week,
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 13: not amongst the PU crew but general NFL chatter. He's
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 13: been a real unsugg hero and it's going to help
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 13: on the defensive line, but also in short yardage and
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 13: running the ball because his blocking is than anything close
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 13: to real fullback. So that's someone now the Patriots Kapillion
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 13: used all this lady on.
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 8: That Okay, Yeah, I think I think his his his
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 8: return would be a welcome one to handle James Cook.
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 8: I'm less concerned about the handful of snaps that he
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 8: get as a full back. I don't dismiss it. I
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 8: think you know he did it, does it? You know
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 8: he does a fairly good job in that regard. But
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 8: the run defense has been sagging, and I think part
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 8: of it is everybody talks about Milton Williams, but I
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 8: think you know Tong has been part of that too.
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 8: So yeah, you know, to have those guys back as
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 8: many of those guys back, Yeah, yep, the more the merrier.
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 3: Let's see Bruno Wright saying subject line, how to enhance
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 3: analytics with how my defense is doing.
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 2: It's pretty easy.
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 3: Besides scoreclocking down a distance, you factor an EPA and
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 3: success rate for both teams into the equation. That should
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 3: be pretty straightforward. You only need to figure out the
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 3: coefficients for each metric. A more advanced version could also
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 3: take into account season advanced for the teams as well
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 3: as players individually, so you can factor in key injuries
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 3: as well.
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 2: But at this point you might be needing.
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 3: The Guys Coding Chat GPT to join the NFL analytics team.
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 3: But in any case, it's only just odds, and the
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 3: fun part of sports is that on any given Sunday
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 3: you can beat them.
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 8: I want to do less odds, like I want to
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 8: like I think like I said, I think that that's
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 8: been a welcome change, that teams are more willing to
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 8: take some of that into consideration. But I don't want
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 8: to do it based on strictly based on numbers. I
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 8: don't want to add more numbers, especially EPA like expected
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 8: stuff that's not real. I don't want to necessarily add
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 8: more numbers into my thought process. Yep, you understand what
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 8: I'm saying. Yeah, but I do think like I will.
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 8: I know people probably don't believe me, but I do
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 8: like the fact that teams go for it on fullth
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 8: down far more, far more frequently, and I think that's
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 8: been a good development for the league.
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 3: Matt from Saskatchewan says, I meant to send this into
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 3: Catch twenty two, and as I assume Barth probably knows
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 3: this information off the top of his head, I was
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 3: wondering how everyone feels about Drake May in the clutch,
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 3: as we haven't really seen it outside the Buffalo game
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 3: in Week four. I vaguely remember during the draft cycle
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 3: that he did not have a great record and come
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 3: from behind games in college, and I was wondering if
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 3: you have any concerns about his ability to do so
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 3: as we approach the playoffs will inevitably have to come
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 3: from behind to win against better teams. So in the
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 3: clutch a little bit different than come from behind, you know,
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 3: seventeen points, just got.
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 5: To have it.
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 8: Yeah, and he hasn't really had any of those. Yeah,
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 8: even the one that we're talking about was a tie game. Yep,
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 8: so he didn't have to do it right. No, I
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 8: don't have concerns only because I would be concerned if
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 8: I had seen him fail in those situations, you know,
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 8: like last year, I'm with you, I completely throw away
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 8: last year. Yeah, this year, with this team and this
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 8: personnel around him, they haven't. They haven't failed in those situations.
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 8: But and you know the other thing about that is,
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 8: I guess that's not really true. They were down, they
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 8: were down a touchdown against Pittsburgh and he fumbled, So I, yes,
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 8: that's but that's one and it's.
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 3: Not one hundred percent fair to just say, how is
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 3: Drake May in the clutch? How is your team in
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 3: the clutch? Because even during the Brady years, when you know,
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 3: you had those times where you had to convert third
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 3: down after third down and critical games, you know, in
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 3: the fourth quarter, it was great plays by Gronk, great
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 3: plays by Edelman, a stupid play by the other team,
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 3: you know, all those things.
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 2: You know, so you got to look at your team too.
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 3: How is the pet how other guys been in the clutch?
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 3: Do they have mental you know, brain farts and you know,
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 3: have off size.
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 8: You know.
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 1: So it's there's so much that it's about the quarterback though.
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, let's face it, well it is, you know
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 1: he he can't screw up either.
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 3: But is it a team like that has a propensity
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 3: to do a stupid play like they did the last
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 3: four years? You know, I don't think so. I think
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 3: fundamentally they're more sound. Santo is by the way, he's
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 3: a PhD. So you got to listen to what he's saying.
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 3: Good for you, I says. In terms of Evan being
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 3: an advanced scout, he says, I agree, Evan could fit
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 3: in as an advanced scout. I've been so impressed with
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 3: his insights and more so with his rationale of his opinions.
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 3: Clearly he does his homework. I even enjoyed his analysis
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 3: of the upcoming drafts looking at all the talent coming out,
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 3: can't believe the scouts the Patriots have are that much superior.
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 2: Well, there you go.
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 1: I and this is not a joke.
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 8: I've said this to him since he started working with us,
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 8: and you know, we sort of got to know what
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 8: he's all about. And I've asked them many times if
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 8: he's ever given any any thought to try and to
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 8: get into the business, and he says, no, it's a
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 8: tough life, not really tough life.
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 1: It's a tough life.
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 3: On a side note, what is the logic for the
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 3: title of Catch twenty two? Is it related to the book?
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 3: If so, well, it is kind of a nod to
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 3: the book and you know the twenty All twenty two film. Yea,
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 3: the All twenty two film is so much.
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 8: About what he and Barth do they hatch, what all
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 8: twenty two are doing, as well as like it's a
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 8: pun on the play on words with twenty two.
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 3: So you know, they use the All twenty two film
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 3: as a part of their research. And so it's a
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 3: is that you Yeah, is that Catch twenty two?
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 2: I came up with that, of course.
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 8: I mean, in all seriousness, Yeah, it's one of the
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 8: best titles that I've heard for anything like that.
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, But obviously it's an ode. It's an o to
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 3: the movie and the book. It's perfect yeap Joseph Heller's book.
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 3: I believe Catch twenty two predictions. If I planned against
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 3: the Patriots' Sunday, I would try to win by keeping
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 3: May on the sideline, so the running game would need
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 3: to be important. Still, I would not be surprised that
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 3: the Patriots would be ready for that game plan. So
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 3: the Patriots win because we have a better coaching staff
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 3: and dare I say, the better quarterback.
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 2: I think it's a toss.
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 8: I think both of those things remained to be seen.
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's a toss up. So it's gonna
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 3: come down to just a few plays.
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean.
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 8: The first game people, I think it was so long ago.
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 8: I don't think people remember just how badly Buffalo played
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 8: in that game. Like they had three turnovers and eleven
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 8: penalties yep, and still had the ball with a chance
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 8: to go ahead, and had a very close pass breakup
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 8: that could have gone either way. That's interference or it's
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 8: a pass breakup, right, and the Bills could have taken
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 8: the lead, and they couldn't have played much worse. So
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 8: I just would caution on the whole you have the
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 8: edge here, you have the edge here, you have the
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 8: edge here.
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 1: Stuff like this is.
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 8: I think Buffalo is pretty good. They're not having a
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 8: great year, They're not healthy. I think you're catching them
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 8: at a great spot. I think they've sort of invested
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 8: a lot of energy the last couple of weeks. The
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 8: Patriots have a very good chance to win this game.
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 8: That's why I'm picking them. I think all the intangibles
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 8: are in the Patriots side.
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 3: Do you think like picking up Brandon Cooks and who's
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 3: the other guy they picked up off the street?
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 2: I forget another veteran. Is it any sign that they
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 2: believe we got to do this now?
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 8: They don't have anybody, That's what It's a sign, and
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 8: all their guys are hurt. Well, Curtis Samuel's on I are.
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 8: Josh Palmer has been out the last couple of weeks.
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 8: Dalton Kinkaid missed a month. Like they needed guys to
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 8: come in and catch the ball.
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 2: He was available, Yeah, Dylan and Nashville.
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 3: I just want to point out that belichick six Super
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 3: bowls in New England came with two offensive coordinators, Charlie
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 3: Weiss and Josh Mcdaniels's McDaniels our most important offseason acquisition. Well,
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 3: I would say it's vyable, but he's number two maybe acquisitions.
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 8: I mean, I don't know. They They signed a lot
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 8: of players that have been very, very important to.
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 2: The but any more important than Daniels.
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 8: Yeah, players are more important than coaches.
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 2: Okay, all right, I.
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 8: Mean, I'm not dismissing the coaching in this, but I'm
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 8: not doing this again.
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 3: I was.
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 8: I was on the wrong side of history before. I
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 8: ain't doing it again. I'm serious. I was on the
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 8: bill over Brady until like I was wrong. Yeah, like
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 8: you know, fool me once.
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 3: Dylan in South Florida says, the anti Patriot disdain online
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 3: is back. Uh to start off, It's fantastic to be
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 3: back again. Now online, the vitriol against the Patriots and
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 3: fans is back in full strength.
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 2: On Twitter.
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 3: You got idiotic Denver fanboys yapping off and now, for
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 3: some reason, Baltimore fans.
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 2: We're so back.
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 3: Not one tweet by opposing fans goes by without downplaying
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 3: May and the team.
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 2: It's pathetic. Really, I'm basking it. We are back.
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 3: Happy holidays to all go Pats AC title may be
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 3: February sixth.
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 2: So there you go. Let's see BB in New Hampshire, right, Sin,
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 2: I'm so hungry. I know you didn't.
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 8: You got stiff today, but did It's not like our
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 8: boys there.
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 2: I see Alex leaving now, but I don't know.
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 1: Maybe he's calling they forgot about me.
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 3: What kind of offense do you think we'll see this
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 3: week against Buffalo? Do you predict we see lots from
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 3: Hunter Henry more of a digs and booty game. I
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 3: personally don't know what to expect, but I'm interested to
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 3: see how this approach is different from our first matchup
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 3: with Buffalo. Who has other than May who has to
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 3: stand out for the Patris to win this game?
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 8: I would say the front seven. They can't allow James
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 8: Cook to pile up the yards. Defensive, yeah, yeah, defense, yeah, oh,
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 8: just offense we're talking about?
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he was talking about I'm talking about offense. Who
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 2: has to you know?
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 3: Is it a tight end game? Is it a running game?
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 3: Is it you know, downfield opening it up for the
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 3: running game.
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 8: I think it's a good thing. You know, it's a
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 8: positive sign that Josh McDaniels has set this up, and
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 8: you just never know from week to week who that
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 8: guy is going to be. You know, the first Buffalo game,
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 8: it was Digs. But how many times have we seen
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 8: to be a different guy? Five it was MATC Collins,
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 8: a week, it was Kay Shambouti a week, it was
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 8: Hunter Henry a week. You know, like it could be
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 8: anybody to Mario Douglas. I just don't know, Like I
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 8: wouldn't know who to pick to predict that it's going
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 8: to be this guy this week, right, but somebody, somebody
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 8: would have to have, you know, a good game and
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 8: you know someone.
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 1: I'd have to be productive.
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 3: I'd love to see as we get closer to the playoffs,
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 3: week to week, Diggs having high production games, you know,
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 3: establishing that guy similar.
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 2: To like how other teams number one.
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 3: Does it every week, Like where Diggs is getting at
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 3: least you know, seventy eighty yards minimum every game.
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I just don't think that he's that guy anymore
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 8: that can do. I mean, and it's not really anything
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 8: to do with his ACL. Like he wasn't that guy
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 8: in Houston last year before the ACL he was on
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 8: pace for like a thousand yard season, Like that's what
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 8: he's gonna do. He's he's their number one but I
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 8: don't think he's like a fifteen hundred yard guy, fourteen
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 8: hundred yard guy like he was in the past.
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 14: Yeah.
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 8: The thing that I like about it, Fred is that
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 8: maybe he isn't doing the six or seven for one
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 8: hundred every week, but it seems pretty much every week
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 8: when he has a low production game, it's one or
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 8: two that come on third.
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 1: And fourth down.
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 2: Yes, he's the third down guy.
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 1: The fourth down.
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 8: Really, he's been the guy almost every time.
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, No, he's he's definitely.
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 8: He might not have a big week, he might get
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 8: three for thirty two yards, but two of those are
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 8: on fourth down that are instrumental when you're winning the game.
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 2: Let's see who's thish.
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 3: No, he doesn't say, but his headline subject line is
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 3: don't fear the Bills, Ravens and Texans and reasons why.
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 2: I hear all this?
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 8: You know the previous email that said we're back. Yeah,
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 8: that to me is the proof that we're back. We
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 8: have now completely dismissed everybody else.
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 3: I hear all the fear back, So this person says,
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 3: I hear all the fear about facing the Texans in
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 3: the playoffs. Let's not forget how absolutely dialed in. Digs
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 3: was the first time against the Bills. I'm confident he
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 3: will be at least as dialed in against the Texans,
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 3: who decided to not invest in him after a season
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 3: ending injury for that team. Motivation. Hell yeah, I'm not
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 3: fearing the Bills and Ravens games. I think our teams
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 3: are players, and our coaches will show up. They might
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 3: not get a dub, but they will show up, compete,
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 3: and they will learn about themselves and work on any
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 3: remaining holes in their operation.
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 8: Yeah, the Ravens aren't in this conversation. They're not a
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 8: good team this year.
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 1: I mean it is what it is.
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 8: They're six and seven, right, Yeah, No the other ones, Yeah,
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 8: I don't dismiss No, I don't dismiss nine and fourteen.
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 2: They go in the wrong direction, the Ravens. Right.
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 3: Jared in La has a problem with show attendance. My
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 3: only major great with the show is that the cast
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 3: is so infrequent. Even Paul's starting to not appear on
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 3: show days. The day before Thanksgiving was poor to me.
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 8: So I'll just let you know. The day before Christmas
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 8: Eve will be another one.
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 2: You're gonna do. I have my show holiday.
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 8: Filling holiday filling work. You know, I have two hundred
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 8: and eighty one thousand miles on my car. I need
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 8: something we should do. Oh that starts at two, right, Yeah,
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 8: it's two.
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 2: Okay. I was going to say we could do a crossover. Yeah.
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 3: But the most bothersome miss almost every week is Evan
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 3: not being at picks. I'm sorry, you cannot convince me
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 3: that you need to be gone for that to catch
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 3: quotes from Vrabel and even I have acted that even
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 3: I have access to. Even Alex makes the picks, and
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 3: it's annoying that she's never there to accept them.
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 2: I don't know what that means. I truly think you
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 2: all need.
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 3: To do better and should treat this more seriously rather
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 3: than taken for granted approach. Most of you have now
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 3: love the show. I skip Christian in LA's time on
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 3: the show every time. If I ever run into him,
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 3: I will think about tripping him.
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 2: Okay, j kinch.
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 8: I would assume that that's a little tongue in cheek,
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 8: but if it's not, if it's serious, I would just
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 8: say there are other things that go on, like I
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 8: almost never miss a show. Like when I miss a show,
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 8: it's because I get an opportunity to fill in, as
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 8: Fred likes to make fun of me for the holiday
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 8: fill in guy. Otherwise, I'm here every show for the
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 8: full show, but for Mike and Hevin, the locker.
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 1: Room is open.
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 8: There are things that they need to do, like that's
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 8: part of what we do here, Like it's not just
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 8: this show. I love the show. Fred loves the show.
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 8: That's why we're here more often than not. But I
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 8: don't necessarily make fun of the others that have to
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 8: go to the locker room as an example.
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Nate and Connecticut rights in Buffalo doesn't scare me
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 3: too much.
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 2: Don't get me wrong.
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 3: I think there's a fifty to fifty chance that who
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 3: will win the game on Sunday, But I think the
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 3: Patriots have the ability to beat any team in the
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 3: NFL this season.
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 2: I'm just hoping for a very competitive and entertaining game.
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 3: The Patriots have surpassed my expectations this season, and no
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 3: matter how the rest of the season goes, I'll be
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 3: pretty happy.
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 2: But of course I'm rooting for them to win the
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 2: Super Bowl. I love the show. Coming up on twenty
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 2: years of listening, well.
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 8: I would agree with that the tenor of that email, like, Yeah,
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 8: I don't think you should be afraid of any of
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 8: these teams, So if you want to use that word scared,
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 8: I'm not. Yeah, I would agree, I just but you
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 8: also said I think it's like a fifty to fifty game.
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 8: I would agree with that too. I could see Buffalo winning.
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 8: I could see the Patriots winning. I think the Patriots
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 8: have some edges in this game that are going to
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 8: be the difference.
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 3: Tay from Nebraska rights in, We've got a big game,
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 3: not only this weekend but also next. I do think
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 3: they both potentially could really tell us about if this
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 3: team at this point in the year is ready to
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 3: make a postseason run.
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 2: Look, speaking of runs.
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 3: Friendly to that, none of them looked like Devik, Henry
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 3: and Mike.
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 4: What was it like?
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 9: Wow, just under the bar here, jus, it was crazy
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 9: in there.
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 7: This is like I haven't seen a locker room like
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 7: this busy and maybe go back to twenty nine.
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 1: Was there a lot out of town and just a
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 1: lot of new.
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 7: Faces, A couple out of town, but reporters, cameras just
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 7: I mean, scrom scrom scrum, I mean we did a bunch.
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 7: We talked to Diggs at the top as we always do,
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 7: but him Gonzalez, Tonga, Vederian Lowe mac Hollins, and usually
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 7: we get.
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 8: Like maybe two or three, but it's and there was
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 8: from Tonga.
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 1: Did you get he was asking.
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 7: About it and I think he's still dealing with something
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 7: I you know, but roach he asked him, you know, specifically,
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 7: how you feeling you're ready to play both sides of
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 7: the ball.
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, you know, I'm feeling pretty good.
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 7: You know, it's kind of playing a little koy, you know,
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 7: and the big theme I would just say.
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 2: But he asked the eating question, not are you going
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 2: to play? But how do you feel about playing?
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 11: Yeah?
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Now that that's classic broachy. But a
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 1: lot of stuff about just playing a team a second time?
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 1: What is a game plan?
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 5: Like now?
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 7: You know, just saying everything is kind of on tape
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 7: and you know, teams are ultimately going to do what
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 7: they do best. They might have some wrinkles, but they're
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 7: going to get back to what they've done best.
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 1: But I just I can't say.
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 7: Enough about the atmosphere in the locker room today. And
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 7: you know a lot of guys are you're underdogs now?
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 7: Diggs was like I hadn't heard that, and I didn't know.
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 2: You know, it was it upbeat, it.
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 7: Was very up be Yeah, I mean it was any music, no,
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 7: no music, but just you know, commotion. I mean, there's
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 7: just so many people in the locker room. I mean
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 7: it's you know, Paul, you know on Friday, it's just
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 7: like a little clump usually in.
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 2: The middle, but this is Jenny elbowing and spread out.
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 1: Not really well, you know, I like respect my person
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 1: in the space.
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 2: Usually the camera they start yelling at writers that get
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 2: in front of their camera.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, bang in the head with the micro But
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 8: Diggs was funny.
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  Speaker 1: He's like, you know, are you excited. He's like, yeah,
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 1: I'm excited.
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  Speaker 7: You probably can't tell though, you know, so he's playing
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 7: cool to the best, close to the best. But yeah,
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 7: it's just you can tell the energy is really good
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 7: right now and they're getting ready. I couldn't even see him.
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 7: I mean I see him in there, but like, there's
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 7: just it's just a massive humanity the whole locker room.
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 8: Might make it to the locker room because I think
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 8: Fred I think, yeah, I might have hit a nerve there, and.
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 1: He seemed okay, he's the idea.
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  Speaker 7: I mean I crossed paths with him a couple of times,
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  Speaker 7: but I didn't see what he was, you know, getting
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 7: himself into.
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  Speaker 8: But it was good news for your foods here afterwards
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 8: you might have to find any.
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 2: Late than never.
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  Speaker 1: So there it is.
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  Speaker 7: I ran back because we were just going scrum to
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 7: scrumb to scrumb, and then I'm like, man, I got
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 7: to get back to tell the guys like this was
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 7: you know, really active locker room. From what I see,
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 7: feels like a playoff, you know, it feels like, you know,
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 7: games going to get bigger is a big game.
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 2: They all get harder, and you know next year.
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  Speaker 3: They'll have a bigger locker room, so they're gonna need
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 3: it hopefully. All Right, Well that's going to be it
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 3: for this edition of Patriots Unfiltered. Good show, good show,
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• 1:59:01
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