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Women, May Day and International Workers' Day · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Anny and Samantha and welcome to stuff.
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  Speaker 1: I've never told you a protection of iHeartRadio. Oh no,
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  Speaker 1: I wrote the date wrong. Already off to a terrible
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  Speaker 1: start as we record this. Tomorrow is May one, twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty four.
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  Speaker 2: It's gonna be May and welcome.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yes, Oh, Star Wars month is upon as memes
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  Speaker 1: like that. Yes, but May first is also otherwise known
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  Speaker 1: as May Day and or International Workers Day. And we
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  Speaker 1: were at the beginning of every month we try to
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  Speaker 1: put together our calendar, and I was like, I'm sure
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  Speaker 1: there's something with May Day, and there is. However, I
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  Speaker 1: will say we have talked about some of this before.
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  Speaker 1: We've never specifically folks on it, but we do have
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  Speaker 1: past episodes on Labor Day. Although I think it was
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  Speaker 1: fashion related if I'm remembering correctly. This was way back in,
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  Speaker 1: Like Kristen, I.
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  Speaker 2: Was like, I don't know, but I don't remember this
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  Speaker 2: conversation at all.
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  Speaker 1: Oh no, it was it was before us, But there
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  Speaker 1: was one we did that was related to Labor Day.
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  Speaker 1: But anyway, we also did When Women Organize, which was
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  Speaker 1: something that we're going to touch on in here, and
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  Speaker 1: also we did women in Unions and We've done a
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  Speaker 1: couple of like women powerful women in unions, so I've
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  Speaker 1: got a lot of stuff around this. This is going
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  Speaker 1: to be a bit of a shorter episode, but it's twisty.
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  Speaker 1: I wasn't expecting this because it actually is related to
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  Speaker 1: the holiday May Day, which I have never celebrated. Have
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  Speaker 1: you celebrated?
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely not. That's such a foreign idea to me. Again, I,
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  Speaker 2: like I said, I told you earlier. I was like,
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  Speaker 2: isn't that just more a European thing? Like I don't
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  Speaker 2: know much about it, and I really didn't associate that
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  Speaker 2: too labor or like any of those international labor days.
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  Speaker 2: So also go, okay, well.
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  Speaker 1: A very interesting story as to how they are related.
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  Speaker 1: I never have celebrated it. I think of Midsimar of
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  Speaker 1: the movie when I think of May Day, which I'm
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  Speaker 1: sure is not what many people who celebrate it would like,
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  Speaker 1: because that is a horror movie. What we should talk
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  Speaker 1: about on this show, have we not. I don't think
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  Speaker 1: we've we've done a specific episode on it. I think
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  Speaker 1: we've mentioned it. But I do find the different takes
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  Speaker 1: generally men and women have on that movie fascinating because
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  Speaker 1: I've been so like, wow, all this gas lighting. And
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  Speaker 1: I've had many male friends like gaslighting. What oh in yes,
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  Speaker 1: but okay, so yeah, let's let's get this festival out
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  Speaker 1: of away. For a long time, may Day has referred
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  Speaker 1: to a spring festival involving flowers in a maypole that
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  Speaker 1: herald's the coming of spring. Going back to ancient Rome,
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  Speaker 1: may Day fell in the middle of a festival called Feralia,
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  Speaker 1: celebrating Flora, who was the goddess of flowers, spring and youth.
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  Speaker 1: When the Romans arrived in the British Isles, they brought
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  Speaker 1: this festival with them, where it lined up with the
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  Speaker 1: Celtic holiday Bill ten. I hope I didn't butcher that
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  Speaker 1: they combined similar elements to create may Day, celebrated on
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  Speaker 1: May first, and by medieval times may Day was a
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  Speaker 1: popular holiday throughout Europe.
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  Speaker 2: Is that the way at the beginning of this Scottish
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  Speaker 2: festival for the Outlander where she gets sucked into time?
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  Speaker 2: Do you know what I'm talking about?
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  Speaker 1: Have you ever seen this?
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  Speaker 2: If I say this and I'm wrong, people are gonna
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  Speaker 2: be really pissed because people love that movie. I like
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  Speaker 2: or Nut Show and I like it too. But they
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  Speaker 2: have this whole festival where it's just supposed to be
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  Speaker 2: like witches. They come together and go into the island
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  Speaker 2: around this one rock and can but they dance very
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  Speaker 2: like they have like crowns. I believe in white dresses
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  Speaker 2: and enchant. It sounds like that, but I could be
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  Speaker 2: very damn wrong.
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  Speaker 1: It's very similar, as I haven't seen either this or
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  Speaker 1: a May Day celebration, but to me it sounds right
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  Speaker 1: because this holiday and listeners please write in if you
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  Speaker 1: celebrate it, because people do celebrate. It still involves people
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  Speaker 1: going out a Maying in the early morning to gather
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  Speaker 1: flowers and decorate for the celebration, and there were games, dances,
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  Speaker 1: and many held pageants to crown a may queen, a
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  Speaker 1: woman who is basically the overseer of all of the festivities.
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  Speaker 1: The may pole was often the centerpiece of these festivals.
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  Speaker 1: It was a birch pole that was brought in by
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  Speaker 1: an ox that had flowers decorated with flowers, and it
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  Speaker 1: was adorned with streamers for dancers to hold on to
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  Speaker 1: as they made their way around the pole.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, yes, the sam Hayne.
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  Speaker 1: Oh they are related though.
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  Speaker 2: Are they Okay? So that is how happens in October.
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  Speaker 1: Apparently, Yes, but so sam Hayne and may Day are
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  Speaker 1: like the opposite. So sam Hayn is Halloween is fall, okay,
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  Speaker 1: and then may Day is like when sam Hayne is over,
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  Speaker 1: the spring is coming. But they're supposed to compliment each other.
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  Speaker 2: So don't get me. I just knew it was very
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  Speaker 2: pretty festival that happened in light dresses, and they seem
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  Speaker 2: to dance with flowers.
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  Speaker 1: Let me know if I'm incorrect, because that's just from
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  Speaker 1: the articles that I've read, but again, this has not
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  Speaker 1: been my experience growing up. Apparently, another tradition was to
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  Speaker 1: make people give baskets with flowers and treats, leave them
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  Speaker 1: at the doorstep, knock or otherwise alert the person inside
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  Speaker 1: to their presence, and then run and if the receiver
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  Speaker 1: of the basket caught the giver, they owed them a kiss,
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  Speaker 1: which I'm assuming could be very platonic because the story
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  Speaker 1: I read, the anecdotal story I read, was like a
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  Speaker 1: young girl and her best friend, so like, I don't
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  Speaker 1: think it had to be romantic, although there were plenty
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  Speaker 1: of accounts of it being sort of a young people
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  Speaker 1: disappearing in the woods type of festival. I know, and
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  Speaker 1: I read in some places that the basket is meant
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  Speaker 1: to represent women's fertility, and the poll is meant to
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  Speaker 1: represent male fertility. And the taller the pole the better,
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  Speaker 1: which did give me a chuckle.
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  Speaker 2: Is that why just the girls wrapping around it?
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  Speaker 1: I believe. So Samantha, just check it, just check in, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and then you get your may Queen. It's very interesting. Also,
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  Speaker 1: I would love if someone would write in about this.
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  Speaker 1: I read in Hawaii lay Day, which is kind of
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  Speaker 1: something that came around this. The celebration focused on making
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  Speaker 1: and giving ways started in nineteen twenty nine, so write
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  Speaker 1: in let us know. All right. So at first, colonial
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  Speaker 1: Americans were very wary of may Day, allegedly even breaking
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  Speaker 1: up a May Day celebration and sending the person who
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  Speaker 1: threw it back to England. There's like a poem about it,
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  Speaker 1: and I think it's re enacted at May Day celebrations,
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  Speaker 1: so it would it left an impression just because they
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  Speaker 1: kind of associated it, sort of like you, Samantha's a
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  Speaker 1: very European thing, like we don't do that. But may
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  Speaker 1: Day did eventually gain traction in the US in the
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  Speaker 1: late eighteen hundreds, but in two very different ways, though
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  Speaker 1: they both revolved around the rights of workers. One of
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  Speaker 1: these movements was composed of people from well off and
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  Speaker 1: influential families, and at the time, this group of well
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  Speaker 1: off folks were looking at the migrants and immigrants coming
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  Speaker 1: into US cities with concern. They were worried that the
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  Speaker 1: work would exhaust them and that they would spend their
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  Speaker 1: free time on what they viewed as things that were
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  Speaker 1: void of educational value and empty of American values and
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  Speaker 1: heavy quotes, things like amusement parks are carnivals. Considered this
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  Speaker 1: a waste, so they thought they'd bring something back that
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  Speaker 1: they associated with white Anglo Saxon values, May Day, the holiday.
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  Speaker 1: So in the eighteen seventies, May Day celebrations started taking
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  Speaker 1: place on campuses of women's colleges. Primarily, at first, the
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  Speaker 1: women would do the traditional dances while wearing the traditional
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  Speaker 1: white They might reenact this play I mentioned. To spread
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  Speaker 1: the practice, the well off introduced a Maying Again and
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  Speaker 1: May Day festivals to American elementary schools.
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  Speaker 2: The other group set about making May Day a day
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  Speaker 2: reserve for laborers. After industrialization and the Civil War, workers
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  Speaker 2: started organizing into unions. Hey the connotation of May Day
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  Speaker 2: took on a new meaning in eighteen eighty six when
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  Speaker 2: on May first, two hundred thousand workers in Chicago and
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  Speaker 2: other cities went on strike while pushing for an eight
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  Speaker 2: hour day. The strikes became violent and yes, eventually earned
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  Speaker 2: the name Haymarket Affair. Many were wounded and several died.
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  Speaker 2: And yes, we do talk about it a little bit
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  Speaker 2: in this in the book with a hay Market Who
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  Speaker 2: did this? And yes, there are actual Haymarket organizations today
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  Speaker 2: they named after this.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, and we did talk about it in When
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  Speaker 1: One More Women Women Organized that episode two, which is
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  Speaker 1: a two parter if I'm remembering correctly, But it was
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  Speaker 1: a whole. It was a big deal. It was a
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  Speaker 1: big deal and there was a lot of moving pieces
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  Speaker 1: in it. So definitely go check those things out with
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  Speaker 1: Lucy Parsons. That's the name that we know with this,
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  Speaker 1: so yes, hey, Lucy Parsons. So to commemorate what happened
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  Speaker 1: on this state, the International Socialist Conference declared May first
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  Speaker 1: as an international holiday highlighting labor, now known as International
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  Speaker 1: Workers Day in eighteen eighty nine. That was officially signed
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  Speaker 1: into US law in eighteen ninety five, or the eight
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  Speaker 1: hour workday itself went into effect in the US in
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  Speaker 1: nineteen sixteen, although I read in other places it was
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  Speaker 1: way earlier than that. I wonder if that was just
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  Speaker 1: kind of the federal level.
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  Speaker 2: Right it intervened.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, However, during the Red Scare and the Cold War
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  Speaker 1: in the US, this made a celebration International Workers Day,
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  Speaker 1: I should say, drew a lot of ire and suspicion.
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  Speaker 1: And in nineteen fifty eight, President Eisenhower signed a resolution
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  Speaker 1: that labeled May First as Loyalty Day, claiming that it
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  Speaker 1: would be quote a special day for the reaffirmation of
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  Speaker 1: loyalty to the United States of America and for the
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  Speaker 1: recognition of the heritage of American freedom.
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  Speaker 2: Why is this a constant where I swear they take
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  Speaker 2: something and redo it for their own sake. It's a
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  Speaker 2: smart play, but it's really flipping annoying, like taking words
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  Speaker 2: that were about racial equality or you know, like equity
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  Speaker 2: and then they like, no, that means they're trying to
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  Speaker 2: be too liberal. And then they take this whole like
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  Speaker 2: if they do social like they do the Social Scare,
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  Speaker 2: the Red Scare in a different format, just what is
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  Speaker 2: the conversation is, like what's happening? But they're really good
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  Speaker 2: at it. It's really annoying too.
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  Speaker 1: It is, it is, and it's really it's so many
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  Speaker 1: times I'll read things like this and I get why
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  Speaker 1: they worked, but I'm also like, it's so silly and transparent.
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  Speaker 1: It's a loyalty Day.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, it's a little lazy work though that ends up
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  Speaker 2: overtaking that conversation. It's literally nothing original about it. They
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  Speaker 2: just retake it and rebranded. It's the whole I'm rubber,
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  Speaker 2: you're glue.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. With terminology yeah, and definitely like those kind of
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  Speaker 1: hard term those words that get thrown about with patriotism
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  Speaker 1: or well, if you don't support Loyalty Day, then you
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  Speaker 1: terrible communists. Get out, get out right. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So other countries had groups and organizations that adopted International
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  Speaker 2: Workers Day, such as the International Socialist Congress in France,
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  Speaker 2: who resolved to mark May first, eighteen ninety with quote
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  Speaker 2: great International Demonstration. Other European entities followed suit, later combining
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  Speaker 2: the demonstrations with festival like elements, to the point that
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  Speaker 2: within a decade, so many Europeans had adopted the holiday
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  Speaker 2: that Americans started to associate with European socialism as opposed
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  Speaker 2: to American unionism. Some unions wanted to avoid any association
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  Speaker 2: with radicalism, stopped celebrating May Day and pivoted to Labor
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  Speaker 2: Day in September instead. Again the seventh A lot is
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  Speaker 2: such an interesting tactic.
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  Speaker 1: It's kind of it's sad, but it's kind of comical
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  Speaker 1: to me that Americans were suspicious of May Day the
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  Speaker 1: festival because it was too European, and then they were like, well,
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  Speaker 1: maybe we'll go back to that. But then they were
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  Speaker 1: like unions and fight for work and rights and all this,
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  Speaker 1: and then Europeans started doing doing it. They were like,
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  Speaker 1: oh no, let's pulled back here.
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  Speaker 2: We can't be seen that that's too much.
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  Speaker 1: It became too European. It's just.
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  Speaker 2: I mean it kind of there's so many things that
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, it makes sense to this mind frame
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  Speaker 2: of like we need equality. Oh no, other people to
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  Speaker 2: get We don't want to be anything like them, like
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  Speaker 2: we want to be like wait what.
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  Speaker 1: It's just like strange today. I didn't know this. I
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  Speaker 1: didn't know May Day started in the US. I associated
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  Speaker 1: with Europe right, right, I associate International Workers Day outside
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  Speaker 1: of the US.
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  Speaker 2: Right. No, no, no, we don't want to associate with you.
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  Speaker 2: We want our own things, so we'll give this to you.
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  Speaker 2: Scraze that from history, please.
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  Speaker 1: Right, Oh my gosh. Well, in Europe, especially beginning in
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  Speaker 1: the run up to World War One, May Day, our
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  Speaker 1: International Worker's Day, became a place of anti war protest
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  Speaker 1: and general political upheaval. The history gets pretty messy. I
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  Speaker 1: think that would be a whole podcast separately if we
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  Speaker 1: wanted to do that, in probably a different podcast than
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  Speaker 1: this one. But during World War two, for instance, the
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  Speaker 1: Nazis tried to co opt it in Germany, calling it
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  Speaker 1: like National Worker's Day or something, leading to folks starting
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  Speaker 1: and uprising some countries outright bandit. Other countries have also
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  Speaker 1: used Mayday for political protest. As of today, International Workers
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  Speaker 1: Day is an officially recognized holiday in sixty six countries
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  Speaker 1: and unofficially in a bunch more so you can look
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  Speaker 1: it up. A lot of amazing things have happened, a
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  Speaker 1: lot of devastating things have happened on Mayday, but a
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  Speaker 1: lot of countries have adopted it all right, fitting back, okay.
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  Speaker 1: In the nineteen hundreds, European style May Day celebrations, as
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  Speaker 1: in the festival, were still popular in the US, but
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  Speaker 1: they never achieved displacing entertainment like arcades and amusement parks,
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  Speaker 1: oh as that it was intended, and eventually these celebrations faded,
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  Speaker 1: although I did read people do still celebrate in the US,
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  Speaker 1: so again, listeners, let us know, but millions around the
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  Speaker 1: world do still mark International Workers Day. So while women
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  Speaker 1: were involved in these strikes, and we've spoken about some
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  Speaker 1: specific powerful examples as mentioned, a lot of the coverage
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  Speaker 1: was on men. Since women are white, women particularly were
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  Speaker 1: confined to the domestic sphere, which is something we always
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  Speaker 1: have to keep in mind around this conversation about women
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  Speaker 1: in work. But several instances did bring women to the forefront,
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  Speaker 1: including New York City's nineteen eleven Triangle shirtwaist factory incident
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  Speaker 1: that resulted in one hundred and forty six deaths, mostly
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  Speaker 1: of women and girls. This is one example in the US,
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  Speaker 1: and there are numerous, numerous, numerous ones in this country
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  Speaker 1: and around the world. So all of this is important
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  Speaker 1: for a number of reasons. When it comes to intersectional feminism.
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  Speaker 1: The gender pay gap still exist is worse for women
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  Speaker 1: of color, sexual harassment, pregnancy discrimination, racial discrimination, LGBTQ plus
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  Speaker 1: discrimination discrimination against disabled folks. Similar things exist around the
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  Speaker 1: world in various forms. And to various extents, we saw
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  Speaker 1: these things get worse during the pandemic. We've seen the
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  Speaker 1: numbers go the wrong way in a lot of instances.
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  Speaker 1: And remember the US currently doesn't really have maternity or
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  Speaker 1: paternity to leave, like, we don't have great healthcare that
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  Speaker 1: many of us have to get through our work. Accessible
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  Speaker 1: childcare is still out of reach for a lot of people.
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  Speaker 1: So it's important. And this all did start. This May
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  Speaker 1: Day International Workers Day thing started with a push for
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  Speaker 1: an eight hour work day, but recent surveys have found
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  Speaker 1: women routinely work longer than eight hours, and much of
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  Speaker 1: it is unpaid, unrecognized labor. And that's like at work,
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  Speaker 1: that doesn't even count at home all of that other stuff.
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  Speaker 1: And as we mentioned in previous episodes, two women in
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  Speaker 1: marginalized folks are and have been at the forefront of
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: movements to change things. Even as we're seeing rollbacks of
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  Speaker 1: things put in place around child labor, which we were
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: just talking about for instance, Samantha, or huge companies leveraging
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  Speaker 1: their massive sources to squash attempts at unionizing. There are
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: people still fighting and these things are important, and we
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  Speaker 1: have in our own company, we've been working towards the
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  Speaker 1: union for over two years, two years I think, and
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  Speaker 1: it's just been really a lot of pushback, but a
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  Speaker 1: huge shout out to our bargaining committee who has really
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: been fighting even when they meet so much resistance and
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: wrangling all of us because we're all over the place,
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: we do all kinds of different things, and.
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  Speaker 2: Right, it's been interesting because the shift in constant rotation,
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  Speaker 2: because of the way that people, the higher ups in
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: execs and sides are stretching this out, and it's causing
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  Speaker 2: people like I can't imagine. I actually I can't imagine
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  Speaker 2: because I think I stepped foot in it for like
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  Speaker 2: a split second. I was like, oh, this is a
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: lot of work, and it is a lot a lot
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  Speaker 2: of work, and so we definitely want to shut out
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  Speaker 2: to those who are fighting that fight, and we do
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  Speaker 2: support you.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, it's.
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  Speaker 2: Been interesting, and yeah, just unions are not a bad thing,
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  Speaker 2: and the fact that people are trying to squash it
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  Speaker 2: says a lot.
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  Speaker 1: It does. It does, And just like with anything, of course,
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  Speaker 1: there's been examples of like, oh that wasn't great, that
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: one person wasn't great, but that doesn't mean like the
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  Speaker 1: whole thing is bad.
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  Speaker 2: There's this whole level of who are the players and
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  Speaker 2: when it comes when may come back to find it,
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  Speaker 2: there's a lot that are bad players because they're planted there.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know those things get so much attention,
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  Speaker 1: but again, these are there's so many people who've been
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  Speaker 1: doing this work who are not getting any attention, who
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  Speaker 1: have been doing it, And personally, it just frustrates me
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  Speaker 1: so much when I'll hear someone who's anti union be
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  Speaker 1: so excited about the weekend are being done with work,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm like, you know that was like unions that
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  Speaker 1: did that right, right, We didn't used to have those
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  Speaker 1: things right And.
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  Speaker 2: Just as a reminder, this was all Like we've talked
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  Speaker 2: about this. I think it's just a constant conversation, especially
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  Speaker 2: when you work in intersectionality, that rhetoric and media has
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  Speaker 2: really really made people scared of things because it is
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  Speaker 2: not beneficial to those who were already power. Like that's
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  Speaker 2: the constant reminder of like, when the bad things happen,
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  Speaker 2: it wasn't what you thought, and when you uncovered who
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  Speaker 2: was at the root of it and why it was there,
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  Speaker 2: it is because people who are in power were scared
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  Speaker 2: of losing something because they wanted to keep that power.
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  Speaker 2: And honestly, it's all this level of like it's not
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  Speaker 2: that people are asking not to work as much or
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  Speaker 2: whatever whatnot, it's just being fairly compensated or treated fairly
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  Speaker 2: or able to actually afford uh And being told that
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  Speaker 2: when you're family, which is a conversation we hear a
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  Speaker 2: lot for a lot of business practices, especially in the US,
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  Speaker 2: which is a fun rhetoric. And then being told but
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  Speaker 2: you are really expendable and easily replaceable, just like you're
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  Speaker 2: supposed to treat them like the family, but you are
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  Speaker 2: not going to be treated as such.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, you should be grateful that you're.
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  Speaker 2: Yes here, yes, which I was actually told that. In
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  Speaker 2: my government job. We were like, hey, we get pay
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  Speaker 2: almost minimum wage and we would like to help these kids,
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  Speaker 2: and part of these kids maybe buying them a lunch
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  Speaker 2: while having conversation, and you're telling us that you are
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  Speaker 2: not going to compensate us, and then also you should
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  Speaker 2: we should be grateful for having a job. If we
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  Speaker 2: don't want that to get out. We're like when we
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  Speaker 2: were told at a conference and we were.
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  Speaker 1: Like, oh, okay, okay, cool.
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  Speaker 2: That was my government job, So then we absolutely could
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  Speaker 2: not unionize, and especially in the state of Georgia.
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  Speaker 1: Yep, I laugh because it's scary. Yeah, yeah, So if
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