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Ghislaine Maxwell And The Deposition That Led To Her Downfall (Part 16) (5/16/26) · The Vault: The Epstein Files

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.
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  In this episode, we're going to continue looking at Gallaine
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  Maxwell's deposition as we prepare for the new documents to
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  be unsealed. But until then, let's get back to it. McCauley.
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  Would Jeffrey Epstein's assistants arranged times for underage girls to
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  come to the house for sexual massages? Pagliuca objection to
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  the form and the foundation? Maxwell, what are you talking about, McCauley. Sure,
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  would Jeffrey Epstein's assistance I think earlier you mentioned we
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  talked about redacted who worked in the role as an
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  assistant or redacted? Would Jeffrey Epstein's assistants arrange times for
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  underage girls to come over to the house for sexual massages?
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  Pagliuca objection to the form and the foundation? Maxwell, Again,
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  I read the police reports, so this is all happening
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  according to the police reports when I'm no longer at
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  the house, So I can't testify to what Jeffrey's assistants
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  did when this kind of activity as alleged in the reports. McCauley,
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  So you don't know, Maxwell, No, McCauley, would Jeffrey Epstein's assistance,
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  meaning redacted or redacted or any other assistant that you
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  were aware of from the time you worked there take
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  nude photographs of underage girls. Mister Pakliuka object to the
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  form and the foundation. And just to interject, we all
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  know who they're talking about here in the redacted portions,
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  which is Sarah Kellen Vickers. Right, So the question still remains,
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  is anybody ever going to sit her down and get
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  her under oath. That's probably a good place to start,
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  right considering how many times her name's mentioned in all
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  of these documents. Maxwell, during what period of time McCauley,
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  During any period of time that you worked, did you
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  observe that Maxwell? I did not observe any such photographs. McCauley.
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  Are you aware if they took these kinds of photos Maxwell?
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  I'm not aware, mister Pagliuca. Can we take a five
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  minute break? So they go to recess, They take about
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  a ten minute break, and then they get back to it. McCauley,
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  Miss Maxwell, was it an obvious lie when Virginia said
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  she was sent to Thailand by Epstein in September of
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  two thousand and two. Mister Pakluka objection. To the form
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  and the Foundation. Maxwell, I have no knowledge of Virginia
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  being sent to Thailand, but may I say something? McCauley.
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  There is not a question pending unless you want to
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  clarify something. Did you want to clarify that, Maxwell, No,
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  I just wanted to say something, McCauley. Is it an
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  obvious lie when Virginia said she was given instructions to
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  maintain telephone contact with you while she was in Thailand?
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  Mister Pagliuca, objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell,
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  Can you repeat the question, McCauley, isn't an obvious lie
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  when Virginia said she was given instructions to maintain telephone
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  contact with you when she was in Thailand. Mister Pagliuca,
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  same objection, Maxwell. I have no idea what instructions Virginia
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  was given, if any, when she went to Thailand. McCauley.
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  So you know she went to Thailand, Maxwell, I know
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  she claims she went to Thailand from having read it,
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  but given that she lied about everything, it's hard to
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  know what is true and what is not true, McCauley.
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  Wouldn't make any sense for her to be in contact
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  with you? Would there be any reason why she needed
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  to be in contact with you, mister Pakliuka, objection to
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  the form and the foundation. Maxwell, what are you talking about, McCauley.
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  When she went to Thailand, mister Pagliuca, same objection, McCauley,
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  in two thousand and two, would there be any reason
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  for her to rem in contact with you? Mister Pakliuka,
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  objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell, can you
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  please ask the question again, McCauley, Would there be any
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  reason for Virginia to maintain contact with you in two
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  thousand and two when she went to Thailand? Mister Pakliuka,
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  same objection. Maxwell. First of all, I didn't know that
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  she went to Thailand. I had nothing to do with
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  her trip to go to Thailand, and there would absolutely
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  be no reason for her to be in touch with
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  me whatsoever. McCauley, did you ever have a phone number
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  that was redacted? Maxwell? I did, McCauley. Was that a
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  cell phone number? Maxwell? Yes, McCauley. Is that your current
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  cell phone number? Maxwell? Yes, McCauley. I'm going to mark
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  a couple of things here, Maxwell, Exhibit eleven photos marked
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  for identification the witness. Can I say something now, mister Pakliuka, No, Maxwell,
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  will you let me know when I can, mister Pacluka,
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  when she asked you a question, McCauley, so we've marked
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  this as exhibit eleven. I'm showing you what's been marked
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  as exhibit eleven, which is Robert's zero zero three one
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  nine to one and zero three one nine to two.
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  Can you take a look at that document for me?
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  Is that number that you just identified the redacted as
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  being your cell phone number? Is that number on this document? Maxwell?
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  It is McCauley. And do you know who authored this document? Maxwell?
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  I do not McCauley. Who is redacted? Maxwell? I don't
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  know who redacted is on this document because I don't
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  know what this document is. McCauley, do you know someone
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  by the name of redacted? Maxwell? I do know someone
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  by the name of redacted McCauley. Would he know your
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  phone number? Mister Pacliuka, object to the form, Maxwell, I
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  have no idea, McCauley. Why would Virginia be instructed to
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  call miss Maxwell at true number on this form? Mister Pakluka,
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  objection to the form and foundation. Maxwell. I don't know
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  what this document is. I don't know when it was done.
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  I don't know anything about it other than I can
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  see it has my name and my number on it. McCauley,
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  So redacted, you said redacted? Is he employed by mister Epstein? Maxwell? Again,
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  it is not the only one redacted on the planet. McCauley,
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  I understand. Do you know a redacted that is employed
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  by mister Epstein? Mister Pakluka, objection to the form and
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  the foundation? Maxwell. Can you ask me the question again, McCauley.
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  Do you know someone by the name of redacted that
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  was employed by mister Epstein back in two thousand and two? Maxwell,
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  I do know somebody who was employed by mister Epstein
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  known as redacted. McCauley, do you recognize the other numbers
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  listed at the top of this document? Maxwell? I do not. McCauley.
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  Would you have known redacted cell number at the time
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  in two thousand and two, mister Pakluka objection to the
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  form and the foundation? Maxwell, I have no idea. McCauley.
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  Can I ask you to turn to the next page. Please?
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  Do you know who redacted is who is mentioned on
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  this document? Maxwell? I do not. McCauley. If you look
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  on the bottom line of the document, it says still
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  in Thailand during your stay. If she is, she will
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  be staying at the same hotel. Do you recall ever
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  giving Virginia instructions to meet a Thai girl in Thailand?
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  Mister Pakliuka, objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell,
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  I have already testified that I didn't even know that
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  Virginia was going to Thailand, McCauley. So you didn't give
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  her instructions to meet a girl in Thailand? Maxwell, like
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  I said, I didn't even know she was going to Thailand. McCauley.
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  Do you know whether Jeffrey Epstein would have given her
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  instructions to meet a girl in Thailand? Mister Pakliuka, objection
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  to the form and the Foundation. Maxwell. I cannot possibly
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  tell you what Jeffrey did or didn't do. I wouldn't know, McCauley.
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  Do you know whether Jeffrey Epstein paid for Virginia to
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  go to Thailand? Maxwell? Again, I wouldn't know if he did. Maxwell.
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  Exhibit twelve documents marked for identification. McCauley, I'm going to
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  direct you can take a look at it, and then
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  I'm going to direct your attention to a couple of pages.
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  Mister Pakliuka. So the record should be clear. This exhibit,
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  which is twelve is three seventy five, six, seven, eight,
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  nine point eighty one, and then skips to nine nineteen, nine,
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  twenty nine, twenty one, nine twenty two, nine twenty three,
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  nine twenty four, nine twenty five, and nine twenty six. McCauley,
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  So I'm going to direct your attention to the first page.
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  Have you ever traveled with Jeffrey Epstein where you've received
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  documents like this from Shopper's Travel in your own independent travels?
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  Do you recognize this? Mister Pakliuka objection to the form
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  and the foundation. McCauley. The front form, the front page.
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  Do you recognize this super shopper Travel form? Have you
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  ever used them as a travel agent with Jeffrey Epstein?
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  Mister Pakliuka, Sam objection. McCauley, you can answer Maxwell, I
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  don't recognize this. McCauley turning to the second page, which
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  is the zero zero, three seven six. Do you see
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  that at the top where the document says Jeffrey Epstein
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  four fifty seven Madison Avenue, fourth floor, New York, New York.
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  Is that an address that you're familiar with, and is
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  that Jeffrey Epstein's Maxwell, I am McCauley. Do you see
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  below that travel on Singapore Airlines and you are going
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  to have to go from New York JFK to Singapore Bangkok?
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  Do you see that, mister Pakliuka? What McCauley. The the
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  first entry is going to be on September twenty seventh,
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  New York. Mister Pagliuka, I see it, Miss McCauley. I'm
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  not talking to you, I'm talking to the witness. Maxwell.
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  I see it. McCauley to Singapore and Bangkok. Maxwell, Singapore, Bangkok,
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  I'm afraid are not the same place, and just to
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  enter jet real quick. Imagine being on trial or being
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  deposed for abusing an underage girl and being condescending talk
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  about Hubris McCauley to Singapore and then Bangkok. McCauley, I'm
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  going to turn to page Roberts. It's a little further
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  back zero zero zero nine to one nine, and you
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  see at the top where it says Jay Epstein underneath
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  royal Princess change mine, Maxwell, I do McCauley, does this
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  refresh your recollection that Virginia Roberts trip to Thailand was
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  paid for by Jeffrey Epstein. Mister Pagliuka, objection to the
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  and the foundation. Maxwell, I can only testify to the
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  piece of paper you showed me that has that information.
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  I cannot testify from direct memory, McCauley, when Virginia was
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  traveling to Thailand, which the dates. Again, I'm going to
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  refer you back to the first page so you can
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  see the dates. Mister Pakliuka. Can you identify a Bates
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  number please, McCauley redacted, which was at the top, says redacted.
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  I'm going to refer you, at the same time to
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  the flight logs which were remarked, the thicker document that
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  looks like this with all the log entries on it.
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  I'm going to refer you to page mister Pagliuka, that's
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  exhibit number six, correct. I'm trying to keep the record straight. McAuley,
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  I don't have exhibit numbers on mine. That's Robert's redacted. Pagliuca,
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  Hang on one second, Maxwell, can you repeat the number please,
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  McCauley redacted, And if you will look on that page
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  at the entry under adapt did redacted starting with redacted,
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  and then it runs down to the looks like the redacted.
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  That first entry has redacted or redacted, Jeffrey Epstein and
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  the initials GM. Do you remember taking a trip with
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  redacted during redacted? Mister Pakliuka objection to the foundation and
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  the form? Maxwell? Can you repeat the question, McCauley, do
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  you remember taking a trip with redacted during redacted? That's
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  the redacted it looks like through the redacted Maxwell. I
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  don't remember the dates I could testify to when we
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  actually did it, but I do remember the trip itself. McCauley.
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  So you were traveling with Jeffrey Epstein and redacted at
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  the same time Virginia was headed to Thailand? Is that correct?
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  Mister Pakluka objection to the form and the foundation? Maxwell,
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  I don't know, is that right, McCauley. If you look
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  at redacted on the document that I gave you your
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  first document and then you referred to, if you look
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  in the same as above line, you will see the
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  travel group with redacted. Mister Pagliuca. Are you asking her
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  to compare the documents or are you asking her what
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  her personal knowledge is? Ms McCauley, I'm asking if she
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  can look at the doubts and tell me if she
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  recalls that she was traveling with redacted at the same time.
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  This document reflects Virginia was in Thailand. Maxwell, I can't
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  testify to any dates. I couldn't tell you. I can
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  see a date, and I can see a date, but
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  I can't tell you that I have a memory of
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  the dates. I have a memory of the trip, I
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  don't have a memory of the time. McCauley, who is
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  this redacted? Maxwell? Redacted? McCauley, what is her address? Maxwell?
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  I don't know, McCauley. Does she live in the United States? Maxwell,
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  she does, McCauley in what state? Maxwell? I believe in
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  New Jersey somewhere. McCauley, do you have her phone number? Maxwell?
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  Not memorized. McCaul do you have the ability to get
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  her phone number? Maxwell? Of course, McCauley. Have you ever asked,
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  has redacted ever asked other girls to come over to
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  see Jeffrey Epstein for the purpose of sexual massage? Mister
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  Pakliuka objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell, can
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  you ask that question again, please, McCauley. Has redacted ever
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  ask girls to come over to see Jeffrey Epstein for
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  the purpose of a sexual massage? Mister Pakluka object to
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  the form and the Foundation. Maxwell, can you ask again please?
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  McCauley has redacted ever ask girls to come over to
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  see Jeffrey Epstein for the purpose of sexual massage? Maxwell?
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  I have no personal knowledge. McCauley. What does redacted do
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  for you? Maxwell? She helps with my not for profit
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  Ocean Foundation and any other related activities that I may have.
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  Just to add here, that's Terra mar You know, the
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  same foundation that the Clinton's helped her out with. HM.
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  Another Clinton connection that's interesting. McCauley. Is she paid for
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  by Jeffrey Epstein? Maxwell? No, McCauley. Is she paid for
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  by you? Maxwell? Yes? McCauley. When did you first meet redacted? Maxwell?
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  I don't recollect exactly. Sometime maybe two thousand and two,
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  two thousand and three. McCauley. How did you meet her? Maxwell?
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  I don't recollect exactly how we met. McCauley. Did Jeffrey
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  introduce you to her? Maxwell? Maxwell? I don't recollect how
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  we met. McCauley. Does Jeffrey Epstein mister pacliuka objection to
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  form and the Foundation? Maxwell? Can you ask again, please?
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  McCauley does blank. No, Jeffrey Epstein? Maxwell, what do you
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  mean by no? McCauley, has she ever met him before?
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  Mister Pacluka, objection to the form and the Foundation. Maxwell,
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  I can't recollect the time when redacted. I've seen Redacted
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  with Jeffrey, But McCauley, you are not sure. Maxwell, Well,
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  I know they know each other. I can't testify to
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  a meeting between them. McCauley. Do you know where in
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  New Jersey she lives? Maxwell know? McCauley, you don't know
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  a city. Maxwell know, McCauley. How long has she worked
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  for you? Maxwell? Sometime two thousand and two, two thousand
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  and three, McCauley to the present. Maxwell, yeah, McCauley, why
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  do you think that redacted might know Jeffrey? Mister Pagliuka,
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  objection to the form and the foundation, Maxwell, because you
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  know I know Jeffrey. McCauley. Have you seen them together, Maxwell,
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  I have already testified I have not seen them together.
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  To my recollection, McCauley, is it your testimony that redacted
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  knows Jeffrey Epstein through the work that she does for you,
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  Mister Pacliuka, objection to the form and the Foundation. Maxwell,
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  I don't recollect, and I don't recollect how I met redacted,
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  And I can't testify to what redacted relationship is or
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  is not with Jeffrey McCauley, have you ever talked to
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  Jeffrey about redacted Maxwell. I don't know what you mean, McCauley.
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  In any way, have you ever had a conversation with
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  Jeffrey about redacted Maxwell? In what context? McCauley, In any context,
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  have you ever talked to Jeffrey Epstein about redacted Maxwell?
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  Redacted works for me, So it's entirely possible that in
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  the course of conversations since two thousand and two, two
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  thousand and three, that a conversation in which Redacted's name
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  would have come up is entirely possible. McCauley. I provided
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  you with, and I'm sorry, I don't know all the numbers,
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  but the statement that was issued by redacted that she
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  should be a single page still in your stack of
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  exhibits there, mister Pagliuca, Exhibit number ten. All right, folks,
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  we're gonna wrap this episode up right there, and in
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  the next episode, we're gonna pick up where we left off.
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