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Patriots Catch-22 5/28: Wednesday OTA Takeaways, Player Observations, David Andrews Retirement · Patriots Catch-22

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  Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan
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  Speaker 1: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex bars The thing I
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  Speaker 1: hate about people complaining about Tony You don't like it
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  Speaker 1: because you can't stop it. There's a way to stop
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  Speaker 1: the touch push. Don't let the Eagles get to third
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  Speaker 1: and one. Some people say there's injury concerns. All the
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  Speaker 1: data suggests that there's no injury problems. Is a lower
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  Speaker 1: injury rate. And then there's the it's not a real
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  Speaker 1: football play. You might want to look up the history
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  Speaker 1: of the sport where it has its roots. You want
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  Speaker 1: to beat the good teams, get better, don't ask the
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  Speaker 1: league to stop them for you catch. That was a
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  Speaker 1: good take by you on the touch push. Thank you,
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  Speaker 1: You're welcome. I don't give you a lot of compliments
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  Speaker 1: on new takes, So there you go.
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  Speaker 3: You know it's genuine when I rarely do that. Hello everybody,
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  Speaker 3: Evan Lazar, Alex Barth, Patriots Catch twenty two. Next couple
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  Speaker 3: hours talking Patriots OTAs.
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  Speaker 1: We literally just.
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  Speaker 3: Walked from the practice field into the radio studio as
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  Speaker 3: practice was wrapping up for the Patriots here on this Wednesday.
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  Speaker 3: So we're going to get into all of our takeaways.
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  Speaker 3: We'll start the top of the show with that. We'll
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  Speaker 3: take your lovely calls and emails as well as the
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  Speaker 3: show goes on here. But we'll open with the show
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  Speaker 3: with just our general thoughts on this practice. And I
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  Speaker 3: would say the big storyline from last week was the
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  Speaker 3: interceptions by Drake May during the open practice to the
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  Speaker 3: media last Tuesday, Right, was it Tuesday or Wednesday?
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  Speaker 1: Last week?
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  Speaker 3: Today's Wednesday, So I think it was last Tuesday that
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  Speaker 3: Drake May had that four interception practice heard around the world.
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  Speaker 3: That was a big story. Interception free practice for Drake
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  Speaker 3: May today. That's always a positive. There weren't any turnovers.
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  Speaker 3: There was a time when the ball hit the ground
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  Speaker 3: on a boarded snap, but frankly, it happens really quickly
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  Speaker 3: and there's no film to go watch back, so I'm
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  Speaker 3: not sure if that was a center quarterback issue. Is
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  Speaker 3: a quarterback center exchange issue, Let's just put it to
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  Speaker 3: you that way. But no interceptions, that's a positive. I
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  Speaker 3: still thought though in general, and look, it's it's May
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  Speaker 3: like we always say it's May twenty eighth. It's a
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  Speaker 3: long way away from even padded practices, let alone the
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  Speaker 3: season or preseason. But there was still a general feeling
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  Speaker 3: of maybe uncertainty or just inconsistency that I saw from
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  Speaker 3: Drake May in the number one offense, where it still
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  Speaker 3: felt a little bit clunky at times. There are some
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  Speaker 3: high throws, there were some holding to the ball. Doesn't
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  Speaker 3: always seem like he's one hundred percent sure what he's
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  Speaker 3: looking at just yet. So good news, it's turnover free thought.
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  Speaker 3: He had some moments today that he maybe didn't have
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  Speaker 3: last week, and in the positive direction that we can
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  Speaker 3: break down. But in general, I still feel like we're
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  Speaker 3: in those early days of a transition right now.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he just looked unsure at times, which is the
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  Speaker 1: best way I can put it, not all the time.
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  Speaker 1: He did get in a rhythm there at one point
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  Speaker 1: midway through practice, and really was Hunter Henry that kind
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  Speaker 1: of helped get him through it, which duh, right, it's
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  Speaker 1: his favorite receiver. So but just yeah, it's it's clearly
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  Speaker 1: still a feeling how process for him.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, there was one pass, you know, over the middle
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  Speaker 3: of the field to Hunter Henry that I've seen Drake
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  Speaker 3: May make on film last year one hundred times and
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  Speaker 3: just a dig cut and cut to Henry that he
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  Speaker 3: was just a little bit early and maybe a little
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  Speaker 3: bit high to it that went incomplete, and that's one
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  Speaker 3: that you're used to seeing Drake May make in his sleep.
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  Speaker 3: And so there was some of that, maybe not the turnovers,
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  Speaker 3: which is were catastrophic turnovers that we saw at times,
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  Speaker 3: but maybe more so that on the positive side, I
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  Speaker 3: thought what you saw a little bit today when when
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  Speaker 3: he started to settle down or settle in with some
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  Speaker 3: pocket movement and bouncing around the pocket a little bit
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  Speaker 3: some of that off platform stuff that we have grown
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  Speaker 3: to love here from Drake May. So there's some of
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  Speaker 3: those elements to it as well. Honestly, you know, from
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  Speaker 3: an offensive standpoint, from a scheme standpoint, I want to
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  Speaker 3: get give too much away or going too much detail
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  Speaker 3: about the scheme, but so far it just feels like
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  Speaker 3: the Josh McDaniels install like I haven't seen. There's a
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  Speaker 3: lot of talk about McDaniel's going to college programs and
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  Speaker 3: maybe adding things or innovating his offense or updating his offense,
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  Speaker 3: whatever word adjective you want to use to describe it.
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  Speaker 3: So far, we've seen a lot. They've done a lot,
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  Speaker 3: which I think is always a McDaniel's staple. They all,
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  Speaker 3: you know, McDaniels will have everything in his bag, and
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  Speaker 3: they have done some outside zone maybe like more than
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  Speaker 3: I was expecting, and some moving pockets as well, which
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  Speaker 3: I think is good that type of stuff, even though
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  Speaker 3: the pay haven't necessarily been overly successful with that over
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  Speaker 3: the last couple of years. In theory, it fits Drake
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  Speaker 3: May's skill set really nicely to have the pocket move
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  Speaker 3: and get him out on the perimeter and on the
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  Speaker 3: move and cut the field in half and make throws
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  Speaker 3: on off platform or on the move. That's him, like,
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  Speaker 3: that's when I think he Drake May is at his
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  Speaker 3: best in when he feels the most comfortable. So I
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  Speaker 3: think those are all good things that they've done schematically.
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  Speaker 3: But at the same time, and again it's probably too
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  Speaker 3: early to be having these conversations as his basic install
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  Speaker 3: time of year. I haven't necessarily gone out of this
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  Speaker 3: practice and scene and said this is a totally different offense. Right,
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  Speaker 3: it's still Josh mcdaniels's system. They're still running a lot
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  Speaker 3: of the same things that they were running here in
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  Speaker 3: the past. So in that sense, I don't know if
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  Speaker 3: we're really going to see this grand unveiling of this
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  Speaker 3: hugely different offense. But what's been your impressions just of
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  Speaker 3: what they've been doing from that standpoint, Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's definitely to wonder how much of it
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  Speaker 1: was going to be. And this is early and they're
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  Speaker 1: in the early stages of install like you said, but
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  Speaker 1: it's it's Josh McDaniels. Like there's some new wrinkle ish
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  Speaker 1: things in there. It's not the Brady offense certainly, but
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  Speaker 1: it's you You wouldn't look at this and be like,
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  Speaker 1: I wonder who's designing this, Like it's a Josh McDaniels
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  Speaker 1: designed offense very clearly, and they'll they'll work wrinkles in
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  Speaker 1: here or there, but you know, like we see them
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  Speaker 1: using a fallback, right, that's textbook Josh McDaniels. A lot
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  Speaker 1: of different packages. It's not, And maybe some of this
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  Speaker 1: is just the install and trying to go through as
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  Speaker 1: much as they can. Maybe it'll translate to the season,
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  Speaker 1: but we've seen this a lot. When McDaniels is the OC,
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  Speaker 1: it's not the same five skill position players out there,
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  Speaker 1: snap after snap after snap. There's a lot of moving
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  Speaker 1: parts and some of that is again you're working different
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  Speaker 1: guys in cause of depth, but going from eleven to
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  Speaker 1: twenty one to twelve, like they're they're given a lot
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  Speaker 1: of looks. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So the other big picture takeaway offensively, then we can
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  Speaker 3: go over to the defense and then break down into
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  Speaker 3: vidual players from there. The other big picture takeaway I
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  Speaker 3: had offensively was just watching some of the things and
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  Speaker 3: again I want to try to not give too much
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  Speaker 3: away here, but just watching some of the things that
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  Speaker 3: they've been doing with Travon Henderson in these practices feels
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  Speaker 3: exciting to me. They it feels as though they are
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  Speaker 3: going to try to turn Travon Henderson into a featured
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  Speaker 3: scheme touch player. Yeah, and instead of doing like they
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  Speaker 3: tried this in twenty one with John new Smith and
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  Speaker 3: it didn't really work. But Travon Henderson is.
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  Speaker 1: A much different skill skill set, you know, much more explosive,
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  Speaker 1: much faster player, much smaller player, right, and just a
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  Speaker 1: totally different player from John new Smith, a different position,
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  Speaker 1: different everything. So they had some packages that I thought
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  Speaker 1: were unique where you know, they're using Travon Henderson in
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  Speaker 1: some different ways, and that to me is excited.
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  Speaker 2: Now.
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  Speaker 3: The other the flip side of that is you don't
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  Speaker 3: want to force feed it, which I thought in because
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  Speaker 3: they gave him the big contract and you know that
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  Speaker 3: he was a big free agent signing for them, that
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  Speaker 3: they kind of force feeded it a little bit at
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  Speaker 3: times with John new Smith where they were just trying
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  Speaker 3: really hard to make John who Smith happen. Right, we
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  Speaker 3: just paid this guy, we just gave him this money.
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  Speaker 3: We're going to try to make him happen. I don't
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  Speaker 3: want to see that with Traveon Henderson necessarily. But what
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  Speaker 3: I'm getting at is is when they drafted him, I
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  Speaker 3: felt this way, and what I've seen the last couple
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  Speaker 3: of weeks, in these first two practices, it kind of
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  Speaker 3: confirms it. This to me is more than just like
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  Speaker 3: a traditional running back, like when you draft a guy
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  Speaker 3: like you know, Genti or Omarion Hampton or something like
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  Speaker 3: you're drafting a traditional running back. The way that I
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  Speaker 3: view how they have shown us at least a little
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  Speaker 3: bit with Traveon Henderson is that he is going to
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  Speaker 3: be used as a true gadget scheme touch player on
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  Speaker 3: a lot of different instances where he is going to
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  Speaker 3: line up in some different places that isn't necessarily the backfield.
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  Speaker 3: He might even line up with another running back on
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  Speaker 3: the field, like they might really use embrace pony packages,
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  Speaker 3: but it's not even like true pony because Henderson's kind
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  Speaker 3: of being used flexed out like as a receiver and
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  Speaker 3: in different from a different alignment. So that is exciting
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  Speaker 3: to me that they see Henderson as someone that can
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  Speaker 3: do that. Then you can obviously build things off of
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  Speaker 3: that where he's a he's a decoy and he's not
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  Speaker 3: necessarily the one that's getting the ball. But you know,
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  Speaker 3: let's say they give him a jet sweep and they
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  Speaker 3: get him out in space, they make a positive play
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  Speaker 3: out of it. Well, now you can show the jets
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  Speaker 3: sweep and you can run action off of it, and
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  Speaker 3: then you're out here and now you're hitting the defense
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  Speaker 3: at a different point of attack. He's he's really impressed
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  Speaker 3: me in these practices with his speed obviously, and that
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  Speaker 3: we kind of knew was going to be a parent
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  Speaker 3: with Travon Henderson, but the usage of him is different,
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  Speaker 3: Like I don't think it's you know, when we try
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  Speaker 3: to compare him to backs, in this role in the past,
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  Speaker 3: you know, the James Whites, the Shane Vereens, the Keavin Fulks.
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  Speaker 3: Like this feels a little bit different to me than
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  Speaker 3: what they did with those guys.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it almost feels kind of Dion Lewis ish, but
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  Speaker 1: he's a better receiver. Like Lewis didn't have that receiving
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  Speaker 1: he wasn't as nearly as politicized receiver as Henderson. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: they're gonna I don't think he's going to have one role.
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  Speaker 1: And the other thing is we know and it it
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  Speaker 1: changes with some guys, but traditionally Josh McDaniels does not
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  Speaker 1: throw everything out there with a young running back, right,
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  Speaker 1: it is a slow burn. It is a slow build
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  Speaker 1: up with these young running backs. And I think even
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  Speaker 1: if Henderson is still involved early more than the traditional
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  Speaker 1: like young running back would be the It's good. His
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  Speaker 1: role is going to build over time. So whatever' seeing
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  Speaker 1: from him now, my guess is going to be more
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  Speaker 1: built into what he's doing by week one and even
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  Speaker 1: in week one, two, and three. I would think the
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  Speaker 1: role is going to build further from there as the
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  Speaker 1: season goes on.
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  Speaker 3: And it's also some of the things that they're asking
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  Speaker 3: him to do now, like the traditional running back stuff
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  Speaker 3: that you're talking out that they've had slow burns with rookies.
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  Speaker 3: A big part of that is reads like reading your
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  Speaker 3: your run fits and things like that pros right, but
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  Speaker 3: if you some of the things that they have shown
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  Speaker 3: that they've done and in some of these practices are
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  Speaker 3: are a lot more straightforward than that.
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  Speaker 1: Like a jet sweeps.
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  Speaker 3: A jet sweep right, Like if he's going in motion
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  Speaker 3: and he's either taking the ball or he's a decoy, like,
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  Speaker 3: that's not you're not reading anything per se like that.
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  Speaker 3: That's just that's just being an athlete, Like you're just
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  Speaker 3: getting put in a foot race and you're being an athlete.
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  Speaker 3: Like those are the types of things that maybe you
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  Speaker 3: can do a little bit more early on as a
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  Speaker 3: rookie that isn't as mentally taxing as being like a
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  Speaker 3: three down back would be. So that that's, uh, those
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  Speaker 3: things you can do with him right off the bat,
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  Speaker 3: even if he's not mentally all the way caught up
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  Speaker 3: in terms of being able to be a featured back
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  Speaker 3: as like a true tailback out of the backfield.
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  Speaker 1: Let's let's talk a little bit of.
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  Speaker 3: Line I thought you know on this h I it's
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  Speaker 3: non padded practices, and I try not to put too
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  Speaker 3: much stock in line of scrimmage play and non padded practices.
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  Speaker 3: But I spent a little bit of eleven on elevens
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  Speaker 3: today watching Keon White versus Will Campbell, which I thought
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  Speaker 3: has been the matchup pretty consistently and all of these
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  Speaker 3: eleven on elevens that we have seen, and is kind
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  Speaker 3: of the type of guy that in theory might give
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  Speaker 3: Will Campbell some problems. It's a big, long, powerful edge
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  Speaker 3: rusher with a good first step, and you know, there's
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  Speaker 3: a size disadvantage there in terms of length with Will
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  Speaker 3: Campbell and with Keon Whitey did get him clean on
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  Speaker 3: one move, Keon, did you know on a beat his
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  Speaker 3: two hands wipe, you know, kind of just dipped underneath it,
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  Speaker 3: which we've seen a little bit on film at LSU
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  Speaker 3: from Will Campbell. But they're they're they're going back and
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  Speaker 3: forth right like there's some holding of their own there,
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  Speaker 3: and then that left guard. It's just been kind of
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  Speaker 3: a mystery box. I feel like at this point that
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  Speaker 3: Mike Rabel might be toying with us to try to
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  Speaker 3: keep track of all of these different combinations. I think
• 13:02
  Speaker 3: it was Tyrese Robinson out there for a lot of
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  Speaker 3: practice today, which no disrespect whatsoever to Tyre's Robinson. I
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  Speaker 3: just don't know if that's going to necessarily hold by
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  Speaker 3: the time we get to August. But they're they're trying
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  Speaker 3: out a lot of different people at that left guard
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  Speaker 3: position as of right now, and it really does feel
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  Speaker 3: like that spot is a completely open competition.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it looks wide open, and there's still some guys
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  Speaker 1: that are probably working their way back from injury and
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  Speaker 1: things like that, but these are you know, we talked
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  Speaker 1: about Layton Robinson. We talked about City So who was
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  Speaker 1: here today after not having after not we wasn't here
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  Speaker 1: the last open practice. We saw all right, now I'll
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  Speaker 1: actually be able to get my thoughts straight. Yeah, and
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  Speaker 1: drink some water. We talked about Jared Wilson at that
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  Speaker 1: left guard spot. We didn't talk a lot about Weschweitzer.
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  Speaker 1: We didn't talk a lot about Tyres Robinson. It's it's
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  Speaker 1: wide open. It's anybody's game to win. And my guess is,
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  Speaker 1: behind closed doors, it's probably a different guy every day
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  Speaker 1: or every other day, and maybe Cole Strange had his day,
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  Speaker 1: maybe Leighton Robinson had his day, maybe City So had
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  Speaker 1: his day, but he was on the right side today.
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  Speaker 1: And it's just to kind of set the stage for camp.
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  Speaker 1: They're going to get everybody filled in as much as
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  Speaker 1: they can, and then when the competitive portion begins, when
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  Speaker 1: the pads come on in camp, it's game on.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I am curious to see behind closed doors. You
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  Speaker 3: mentioned that maybe it's rotating, and we don't know obviously
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  Speaker 3: what's happening in those closed practices, but at least in
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  Speaker 3: the two open practices, Leyden Robinson hasn't necessarily been at
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  Speaker 3: the front of the line. And I just wonder how
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  Speaker 3: this staff McDaniel's rabel view Leyden Robinson because I felt
• 14:41
  Speaker 3: about Leyden Robinson coming off his rookie year similarly to
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  Speaker 3: how I felt about City So coming off his rookie year,
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  Speaker 3: which was that they did some nice things, did some
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  Speaker 3: good things. You know, there's a long way to go,
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  Speaker 3: but you could see a skill set there that maybe
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  Speaker 3: could project into a starter eventually, you know, and build
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  Speaker 3: up to that. We haven't seen Laydon Robinson and be
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  Speaker 3: too heavily involved, especially with like the quote unquote starters,
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  Speaker 3: So it'd be interesting to see if that changes as
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  Speaker 3: we go on here. I was surprised, as I'm sure
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  Speaker 3: a lot of people were that Tyres Robinson got a
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  Speaker 3: crack at it today. I didn't have that on my
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  Speaker 3: bingo card as somebody that would be heavily in the mix.
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  Speaker 3: It is interesting that Cole Strange has been getting some
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  Speaker 3: run at right guard, which I you know, I guess
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  Speaker 3: maybe they're looking at him and saying, well, if he
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  Speaker 3: doesn't win the starting job, you know, can he be
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  Speaker 3: a three position backup? Can he back up both guard
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  Speaker 3: spots and center and make himself valuable that way. I'm
• 15:33
  Speaker 3: still waiting, and we haven't seen Jared Wilson do much
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  Speaker 3: in these two practices. I don't know what it is
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  Speaker 3: that he's that's holding him back, but we haven't seen
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  Speaker 3: him do much. I'm still waiting to see if Jared
• 15:44
  Speaker 3: Wilson gets in there and starts making a push, like
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  Speaker 3: I feel like, I know we've talked a lot about
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  Speaker 3: him being a center a long term and that probably
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  Speaker 3: being his most natural position is playing center, but it
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  Speaker 3: still feels to me like that's probably their best five
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  Speaker 3: talent wise on paper, Like the group that has the
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  Speaker 3: highest ceiling would be Campbell Wilson Bradberry on when new
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  Speaker 3: moses like that feels like the most talented five linemen
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  Speaker 3: that they have currently on the roster. But that would
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  Speaker 3: mean putting Jared Wilson at guard and not his natural
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  Speaker 3: position like center.
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  Speaker 1: So the offensive line.
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  Speaker 3: Like I said, I'm not going to look too much
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  Speaker 3: into these non padded practices for the lines of scrimmage
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  Speaker 3: and things like that, but that's some of the things
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: that we saw out there today. Moving on to their receivers.
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: I'm trying not to get ahead of myself speed receiver
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: in May, but Kyle Williams probably had the highlight of
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: the day for the offense on a go ball from
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: Josh Dobbs. Caught it over his shoulder. Nice adjustment coming
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: back to a ball that was like outside, you know,
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: one of those like contort the body type of catches.
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: He has flashed. He gets open.
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: Now, him and Trevon Henderson in this setting should be
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: flashing there to really explosive, fast, quick twitch, good movers
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: at skill positions that should flash this time of year.
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: So I don't want to I'm not starting to print
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: out the Kyle Williams red jacket just yet or anything
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: like that. But I did through two practices, I've seen
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: him get open more than his fair share of times.
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: Let's put you that way.
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: Look, I'll say this that sorry, just little breaking news
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: which I think you were probably aware of. The Patriots
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: are going to honor David Andrews the retirement press conference
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: on Monday. Oh yeah, so the team just tweeted that out,
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: So I guess congratulations to David Andrews on his retirement.
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: The thing with Kyle Williams to me, we can get
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: more to that later. We should get more of that later.
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: The thing with Kyle Williams to me is he is
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: He's out there on the field a lot. He's involved
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: a lot, which isn't always the case for rookie this early.
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: So whatever they're seeing their liking because they're giving him
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: more opportunities. So it is that massive caveat of non
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: padded practice and all of that, But clearly he's doing
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: something that the team wants to see him doing because
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: they continue to put him out there on the field
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: with the top unit. Yeah.
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: You know, I look at Kyle Williams and I just
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: like what I like about him is that he just
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: has that ability to get open on the outside and
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: they just haven't really had that. Now it's different. It's
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: not he's not a big body receiver and it's five ten.
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: We're not talking about him getting open on the outside
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: on on uh you know, high points and back shoulders
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: and using physicality and things like that. It's it's separation,
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: and it's really quickness at the line of scrimmage. Like
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: he beat Battle clean just right off the line of scrimmage.
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: You know that wasn't you know, like oh, you know
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: late in the down, you know, third phase of the
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: route that we're running by somebody, that was just we're
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: right by him at the line of scrimmage. So that
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: that's not something that they've had in a while. And
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: I think that versatility can really be unlocked. And Josh
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: McDaniel's offense, where this is a guy that's skill set.
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: You know, we've talked a little bit about Brandon Cooks,
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: you know, more lends itself to like the Cooks, Dion Branch,
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: like that type of archetype than like a true outside guy.
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: And they've tried so hard to find, you know, going
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: back to like Nikhil Harry and whatever, like to find
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: that big body outside X and maybe this system just
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: isn't meant for that, Like unless you're Randy Moss, right,
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: which is.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: Just you show me a system that isn't a fit
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: for Randy Moss, I'll show you a bad sense, right.
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: Like, maybe it's just this system though, and we're talking
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: about mere mortals that aren't Randy Moss. It's not necessarily
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: meant for that. It's meant more for the separators. It's
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: more for you know, the four to four speed and
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: the good separation and the good release and all that
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: kind of stuff. So I'm caustiously optimistic about what we've
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: seen from Kyle Williams. The other receiver that I don't
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: think is necessarily getting a ton of talk out of
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: these practices, just because he's been around, he's a veteran
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: that you can see the confidence in having played in
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: this system.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: Is Kendrick Bourne today, Kendrick Born, I just.
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: Feel like you knows where he's the spots that he's
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: supposed to be in. He knows the system probably better
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: than just about anybody that's on he's on the field
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: with at this point. He should Yeah, absolutely, and uh,
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: and I feel like it's just confident, it's crisp because
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: he has been there and done it. So I'm not
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: ready to write Kendrick Bourne off. I don't think anybody is.
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: But we've we've talked a lot about him being sort
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: of on that bubble potentially as like the fifth or
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: sixth receiver, and could he be the odd man out
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: to a younger player that's cheaper and that's you know,
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: a recent draft pick, those types of things. I'm not
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: ready to go there yet with Kendrick Bourne. I think
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: he's got too much. He's got just too much experience
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: and too much savvy within this offense that maybe he's
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: still going to be around a little bit.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think there are people that are utting
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: him off. And as I said, like, don't people want
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: to talk about Kashan Boody. People want to talk about
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: Javon Baker. Who's going to get that last spot. Kendrick
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: Bourn has to be in the mix. We've seen what
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: he can do in this offense. I understand that was
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: three years in a knee injury ago. I get that
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: it's not a perfect situation, but he just he looks
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: confident in this offense. He has chemistry with Drake May,
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: He's he's gonna be a factor here. He's going to
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: be a factor. He's at the very least, at the
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: very least, he's gonna make a strong, strong push for
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: the roster. Maybe they ultimately decide they just want to
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: get younger. That's probably the biggest thing working against him
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: is he's I believe it's going to be his age
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: thirty year right, I think he's twenty nine now, but
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: heah turnings thirty in the summer's had a major injury,
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: and right is he in the contract? Yeah, that's thirty
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: in August. So uh, maybe that's probably the biggest thing
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: working against him. But he knows this offense, he can
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: succeed in this offense, and he can succeed with Drake
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: may So. A couple more things on their receivers.
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: Jalen Polk still off to the side doing grounds on
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: air with an offensive assistant. That probably stems I'm we're speculating,
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: just to be clear, but that probably stems from the
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: injury at the end of last season.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: He's yea all the way.
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: Back for shoulder, right, Yeah, he's not all the way
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: back for full team stuff. Yet he's been doing everything else,
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: just not the full team periods, but he's off to
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: the side doing routes on air and going pretty hard.
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: Like I'll give him credit for that, right, Like, I
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: know it's routes on air, and I'm not like sitting
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: here telling you that it's breakout season and just.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: Kind of walk through the rehab stuff.
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: He looks like he's taking it on with the right attitude.
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: But it did stand out to me at least, and
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: I think we were talking about this during practice that
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: they as they were going down the depth chart and
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: getting you know, ones, twos, three circling in there, it
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: did stand out to me that Javon Baker was near
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: the back of the line. Now, maybe we shouldn't look
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: too much into depth charts in may and all that
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: is fair, But what do you think about You always
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: tell me to look at like who's playing and when right,
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: and when Javon Baker is out there and Ben Woolridge
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: is the quarterback that's thrown him the football, it's just
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: notable that he's out there with those types.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, Baker's the one guy that's working with all
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: three quarterbacks. Ye, Like he's all over the place, which
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: tells me they're really unsure maybe of what they have
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: in him. Yeah, and by them, I mean the coaching staff.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: Elliott Wolf obviously is still here. He drafted him, but
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: you know, they want to see they want to try
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: him in different roles, and they want to try them
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: in different combinations and see what's going to happen. So
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: I think it's like anything's possible with him. I saw
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: some people talking about Mike Vrabel walked off the field
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: with him after practice and the two were chatting, like,
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: he's made some great catches in this camp. They've come
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: against guys who probably aren't going to make the team,
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: and they've come on the field with a lot of
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: guys who probably aren't going to make the team. So
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: he's doing He's making some plays. But at a certain point,
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: what we'll be telling is, all right, does he lose
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: those Woolridge reps get more with the first team, and
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: then can he contribute as consistently. Consistency has been a
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: problem for him. So when you see him kind of
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: making big plays against those lower units, you're not seeing
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: him pop as much with the top unit. That's where
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: you wonder, al right, like is he turning a corner?
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: Is this just Yeah, he's an NFL caliber player. He's
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: better than some of these guys that are brought in
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: for camp, right, But when you have just other guys
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: on the roster who have a stronger case to make
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: the team, he's gonna need to do He still needs
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: to do more well.
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: The big throw that he caught down the field was
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: an obvious push off that.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: Would have been not a complete OPI.
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: I mean he just literally tossed the guy to the
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: ground like that would have been an OPI. But he
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: does right. He runs a nice inbreaker, like a nice
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: dig route. You know, at the second level. We've seen
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: him do it a little bit even last year, especially
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: in the preseason. Was one of Drake May's like first
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: like in rhythm, in structure throws.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: That he made.
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: I want to say it was against the Eagles in
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: the preseason. Backside incut, he runs that route pretty well,
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: So there's still some juice there. And I watched Javon
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: Baker and I'm like, this guy's got juice. He's got talent,
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: Like you can see, he's got explosive movements if he
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: can just kind of put it all together. But unfortunately
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: for a lot of guy guys that are drafted where
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: Javon Baker's drafted and have similar stories. That's always their
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: story is he just never really was able to put
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: it all together. And that's just kind of the world
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: that that Javon Baker is in right now. A couple
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: more notes on offense for me, and then i'll if
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: you have any leftovers. Eft and Chisholm still smooth, still
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: running with the second unit, but still looking pretty smooth
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: out there, still catching passes. Wrote his number down a
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: couple of times.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you mentioned smoothness.
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: That those little jump cuts that he does in the
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: open field, they are kind of fifty like the one
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: thing that you watch with him on the tabe with
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: Eastern Washington. He just doesn't have a ton of bursts
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: with the ball in his hands. Once he gets into
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: the open field. He's not gonna outrun or run away
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: from anybody, but he's got that short area of quickness
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: and he's got some jump cut ability. And my guy
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: land Larrison just catching all the checkdowns again with backups
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: against backups, but uh checking, you know, checking those boxes.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: This early in camp.
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: It'll be interesting to see, you know, at what point
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: do we see maybe Chisholm start to elevate a little
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: bit on the depth chart, or Laris and start to
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: elevate a little bit on the depth chart. But those
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: two guys I thought did the same thing they did
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: last week, which was when their opportunities presented themselves. They
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: were noticeable on the field, especially Chisholm. Chism has been
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: noticeable and both these practices.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, when do those guys move up? I think that's
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: probably something we get to more in the summer. Once
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: the pads come on. They're on the right track, they're
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: on the right trajectory. I just don't think these are
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: the kind of practices where you're making that kind of move.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: But yeah, they're both doing what they need to do
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: and absolutely doing what they need to do. Anything else
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: on the offense stand out to you. Morgan Moses was
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: a little bit more relatively full participant. I don't think
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: he did one hundred percent of the team reps, yeah
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: that that top unit was out there, but he did
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: nine last week. So he's trending in the right direction.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: That's good to see. And he had a knee procedure,
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: knee surgery, right, Yeah, he's working back from something he
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: knew the and I think he said that last week, Yeah,
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: talked about Kyle Williams. Jae Bell had a really nice
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: catch today. Yeah yeah, Jahem Bell made a nice like
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: diving slide and catch. Craig Woods was all over him
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: like it was good coverage. Dobbs underthrow it a little bit.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: I think he'd probably try to lead Bell away from
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: coverage and it just turned in and one underthrow. But
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: Bell adjusted made a play on the football like Hooper
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: was out here today. So we got to see a
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: little more CJ. Deprie, a little more Jahem Bell, Jack
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: Westover looking like he's still squarely in the mix for
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: a roster spot, So got to see a little more
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: of those guys today. I would say Jaheen Bell did
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: a good job of his opportunity.
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: With his opportunity, Drake may is starving, and not that
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: Hunter Henry can't do this, but he he loves to
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: throw the seam.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: He loves two routes. He loves the seam, and he
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: loves a.
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: Nice sale route right a corner flag, you know, into
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: the sideline with the outside receiver clearing it out like
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: he loves that. Those two routes and Jahem Bell, even
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: though he's not necessarily that traditional inline wide tight end.
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: There's a lot of evidence on his college tape of
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: him stretching the seam and being able to make those
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: types of plays down the field as.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: He does it more from the slot than like traditionally.
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: Right, and so he can do that, you know, he
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: can do that sort of thing, and just when you
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: watch these practices that that's really and if I had
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: to say, like my most positive I guess outlook about
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: this offense with Josh McDaniels is that McDaniels is very
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: good at accentuating the middle of the field and Drake
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: May is very good at accessing the middle of the field.
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: So those two guys together should marry up pretty well
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: in that sense. I always see Drake May when he's
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: going through progressions and things like that, he wants to
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: throw the ball through the middle of the field.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: He wants the seed the tight end, seat wants Bryson Desbet, Yeah,
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: he wants that tight end. Team.
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: Whoever can do that the best out of this group
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: behind Henry and Hooper are obviously going to be here.
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: I think has a really good chance to make this team.
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: And as we move forward, we were talking about this
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: a little bit of practice. And I know this is
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: getting a little head of ourselves and away from the
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: twenty twenty five season, but we are a draft show.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: We are an off season show. That's our wheelhouse.
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: And as we move forward here, evaluating tight ends, trying
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: to target tight ends in the draft that can stretch
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: the seam and have that vertical juice to their game,
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: I think is going to be something that we're going
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: to talk a lot about in the twenty twenty six offseason.
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: Like that seems like a skill set that they could
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: really unlock with Drake May with the right guy, and
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: we'll see if they can find that guy. Personnel wise.
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: Moving over to the defense, there's you know again, you know,
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: tackling anybody to the ground. There's a ton of physicality
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: for the defense out there. But the one consistent theme
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: upfront from the defense has been that four man defensive line,
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: Like that's clearly the unit that they want to roll
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: out Week one against the Vegas Raiders of Landry Barmore,
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: Williams White like, those four guys are have been consistently
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: working together in all these practices. Every once in a while,
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: Chase On will rotate in for Land and get some
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: run at that right or left, I guess the spot.
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: They've both been on the field together at times too.
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: Like that that unit though, those four guys together with
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: Chase on you know, also kind of being that that
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: fifth and maybe Tonga over the nose in some of
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: their early down based office.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: Just huge man, he's so big just seeing him out
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: that you see him every time, you can't miss him.
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: That that group has been on the field a lot
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: and pretty consistently throughout these practices. So the two takeaways
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: I have from that are one, it's pretty clear, and
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: I I will like, I haven't been the biggest key
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: On White guy. I've kind of felt like he's a
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: little bit of a tweener. Maybe Keon White's like not
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: that he's a bad player by any means in the
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: old system, and he wasn't a bad player, like he
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: was probably one of their better defensive players last year.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: At least. It's certainly at the beginning of the year
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: it looks.
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: More natural for him in this system, already playing with
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: his hand in the dirt, and.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: He said that he said he wants to play more
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: like he said that his first year his biggest concern was,
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: like he didn't want to blow an assignment. Yeah, more
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: than any like more than more than being worried about
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: making a play. He didn't want to blow an assignment.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: So this his assignment in his defense is to make plays.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: This is this looks like a really good fit for him.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: And he's going to play more with his hand in
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: the dirt, and he's going to play close. He's not
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: going to be all the way outside the tackle. Is
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: probably going to be their head up or right outside
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: the tackle, like in a five technique, And he just
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: seems like he knows, you know, he's being allowed to
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: get up the field.
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: Obviously, there's a lot of pass rush reps in a
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: camp like this, where Drabels called it a passing camp
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: multiple times, so you're going to see a lot of
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: pass rush stuff. But I just I like what I've
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: seen so far out of him. I think this is
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: a good fit for him in this scheme. But those
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: four guys have been pretty consistent on that defensive line.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah they have. I thought Joshua Farmer had a really
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: good day to day from that group up front, broke
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: up a pass line of scrimmage, had another screenplay he
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: almost grew up blew up. Even Anthony Jennings, who we
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: talked about last week. I think I was going to
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: bring him up next. Yeah, he had a really good day.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: A couple of would be sacks. Again, it's non pads.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: You put as much sock into that as you want to.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: But they they are they are deep up front, especially
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: when it comes to the rushers. Uh, when it comes
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: to guys on the edge, We've talked about them, maybe
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: need another tackle, but they they have good depth on
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: the edge, and that group got after it today. I'm
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: interested to see.
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: You know, I was going to bring up with Jennings
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: because I thought he flashed a couple of times today too.
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: Definitely had one that would have been a sack, one.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: Like a clean right away sack, and another that And
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: there were a few times too where they they collectively
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: collapsed the pocket. It would have been a sack. But
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: you don't look at that one and say this player
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: stood out or that player stood out. It was just
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: all right the pocket. They team meeting at the quarterback
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: ye phrase.
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: So Jennings, it's interesting to me because he's he's clearly
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: Landry and and Chase on are clearly at the top
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: right now. Of that edge rusher depth chart, and you know,
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: wherever you want to put keon White, you can put
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: keon White in that conversation. But those three guys are
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: clearly ahead of Jennings right now. What's Jennings's outlook because
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: I'm still trying to figure out exactly and he made
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: some good plays today and maybe it can translate like
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: I'm still trying to figure out exactly where Anthony Jennings
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: fits into this puzzle, because he's not really the skill
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: set is a edge setting outside linebacker, stand up on
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: your feet, set the edge of the defense against the run,
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: play on first down, like that's the skill set, and
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: that's just not really.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: What they're going for now.
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: You know, they're really going more for up the field guys,
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: playmaking type of guys. And I'm just wondering where Jennings
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: fits into this whole thing because he's still here, you know,
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: him and Jelanicava are both still here, but both of them,
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: especially Jennings, because we've just seen him participate a little
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: bit more feel like an odd fit or just don't
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: feel exactly like what the player they've targeted. You know,
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: Landry Chase on Swinson and the draft have a very
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: clear body type and skill set that they are really
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: redundant to one another in that type of way.
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: I thing. I think there's something to be said for
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: you don't want necessarily a bunch of guys who are
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: all redundant to one another. You want your starter, similar backups.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: You have to change much schematically, but you have a
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: bunch of pass rushers. You still want a guy that
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: can come in there and stop the run. Yeah, you
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: still want a guy who can put in there on
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: early downs or in short yarded situations or late in
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: a game. Right, if you just build a team of
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: primary pass rushers, you're gonna get with the Jaguars in
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: London last year, They're gonna run the ball seventeen times
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: in a row knowing you can't stop it. Right. So
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: I think that's definitely Jennings's role. We'll see what happens
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: with Tavai. He was limited today, but you need guys
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: who can stop the run. You need guys who can
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: stop the run. He can do it, and I think
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: he gets underrated as pass rusher. He's not Miles Garrett,
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: but he can. He's not a sack guy. What he
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: did really well at Alabama, and I don't think he
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: was asked to do this enough here, Like he can.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: He has a knack for getting in passing wings and
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: pushing the pocket back and even if he's not shedding,
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: his blocker doing a good job to get his arms
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: up and make sure the ball can't get thrown by
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: his ear. So I think he's just kind of a
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: utility guy. Yeah, he can play. You know, you can
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: move him around. He can play a different couple different spots.
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: He can play in different situations to get back up
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: to have he's high level backup, I think, get a
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: bunch of different spots.
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: So they've played a little bit, you know, they've played
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: mostly a four down front, and they played a little
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: bit of over where they have four down guys and
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: then one guy up on his feet at the end
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: of the line of scrimmage. And obviously they're going to
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: mix and match what fronts they use, and it's gonna
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: be game plan and situation oriented and all that good stuff.
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: But I could see that being a spot for him
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: on the strong side, that could be a fit. I
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: just don't know if I necessarily see him as like
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: a hand in the dirt type of player. And for
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: the most part they've been four down with four guys
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: with the hand in the dirt on the first level
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: of the defense. And so where does Jennings fit into
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: all that? Moving back, I agree with you on Farmer though,
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: that was a good, good shout. I know he had
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: a couple of flashes today or it was a little
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: bit more noticing.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: A good day for the rookies as a whole. Good Yeah,
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: he's got an interesting bill.
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: He's got those long arms, right, you can see that,
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: and uh, but he's compact, like it's not like he's
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: just like he's not necessarily huge in relatively speaking, of course,
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: but he's got long arms and he's got like this
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: compact frame. I'm trying to think of like a body
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: type comparison, and I don't really have a good one, like.
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: Kind of built like Barmore, isn't he.
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: I think there are some overlap there, Like if you
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: look on like mock Draftable and stuff like that, there's
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: some overlap there with Barmore.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: I could see that.
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: I think Barmore is a little bit bigger, you know,
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: but maybe that's just because he's older and Barmore like
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: three ten, three twenty isn't farmer like three ten.
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: I don't know if he's that big farmer at the combine.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: If Wikipedia has him at three twelve, yeah, I don't
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: know what he was at the combine. Six yeah, three
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: h five. We're talking.
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: That's a big difference. We were going up to three fifteen,
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: three twenty Barmore three ten. I think Barmore plays closer
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: to three twenty.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: Three fifteen Yeah, okay, so maybe maybe some Barmore there,
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: But I'm intrigued. I'm intrigued by him. The other guy
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: that I thought was really noticeable today from the second
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: level was Robert Splaine. Like Robert Splaine guy flies around.
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: Now I'll say this, I do not know if Robert
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: Splaine was cheating the play. A couple of times it
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: looked like Robert s. Bulaine knew the play before it
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: was called in the huddle. So there's a chance that
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: you know, they've been practicing against one another for four
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: or five days now, like maybe he's starting to pick
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: up on some of the basic install of Josh mcdaniels's offense,
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: and he had he was really early to the ball
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: a couple of times where I was like, that was
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: maybe a little bit too early, like are we are
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: we going off cards here? Like what's the deal?
• 37:48
  Speaker 5: Right?
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: You know? So I don't want to put too much
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: stock into those specific plays.
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: But he's definitely got good play recognition, and he plays
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: even faster than maybe like his athletic ability would suggest
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: because of that, because he's he seems like he's a
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: half a step ahead air of a lot of these
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: plays at a lot of times, like they kept on
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: trying to get the ball outside, whether it was like
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: swing passes to Trevon Henderson or whatever, and Splaine was
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: on the spot immediately on a couple of those I
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: had not. I jotted him down two or three times
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: with you know, tackles that were right on the on
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: the line of scrimmage. So today I thought I saw
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: the full Bobby Spallaine, you know, I saw a little
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: bit more out of him today.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he And it's that's kind of what you look
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: for in these practices. Like obviously defensive players can't really
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: make plays because they can't hit, But do you get
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: to the right place at the right time. There were
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: two guys we talked about today being in the right
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: place at the right time Splayne was one of them,
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: and then Craig Woodson was the up.
• 38:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: Quite he he almost had he almost had an interception.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: He'd picked it off over the middle.
• 38:49
  Speaker 6: Yep.
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he was a high throw to see j Dupree
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: from Josh Dobbs and uh, he's half an inch taller,
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: he probably picks it off. Yeah.
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: So he he's been in the right spots. I think
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: he's great, not great so strong word. I think he's
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: His strength is probably playing as more of like a
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: zone a true zone defender. I know he can play
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: man to man on tight ends, and he's done that
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: a little bit at Cal. I didn't think it was
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: bad coverage by any means on the throw he gave
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: up to Jahem Bell, like that was more of a
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: good catch through some contact and like truly bad coverage.
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: But the thing that hurts Woodson I would say, in
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: terms of his man to man ability against tight ends,
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: he's got a little bit of a shorter upper body
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: and shorter arms, so it's harder for him to kind
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: of get into the catch point and make plays on
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: the football when he is targeted. So I don't necessarily
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: look at that and say that that's like the strength
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: of his game is going to be tight end stopper,
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: like they're going to put him up against past catching
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: tight ends. Where I think his strength of his game
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: is is playing in the middle of the field, whether
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: it's rotating back into that free safety role or rotating
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: into the shorter zone distribution as like a robber or
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: a deep hook or something like that, over the middle
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: of the both those spots I feel like center field,
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: split safety, and then underneath zone. He looks really comfortable
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: in all those And you mentioned the one over the
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: middle of the field he almost picked off. Dobbs saw
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: the window, Flash was gonna throw it there, and and
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: Woodson was just in in the window like he just
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: read it well and sat right there in the window
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: and forced Dobbs to airmail It's otherwise he's gonna pick
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: it off. So he's got a good knack to his game.
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: He's got some good instincts. I was not overly high,
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: Like to be totally honest, I was not overly high
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: on that pick. I thought it was the one time
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: where it felt like they may be reached a little bit.
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: There are some other safeties that I preferred, you know,
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: Billy Bowman, going back to the draft, and they might
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: have been right about Kriik woods now super early, Like
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: you're right, I'm not ready to crown him yet, but
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: I can watching him through two issues. You see the vision,
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: you see the skill set, you see the the talent
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: there from the player. Maybe this might have been they
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: might have been done a good out on this guy,
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: Like I'm ready to give him some tiny teeny bit
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: of credit because not because I'm not ready to give
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: him any credit for anything, but just because it's early.
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: But I see what they went for there with Craig Woodson.
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: The other thing that stood out in the secondary, and
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: this has been pretty consistent based off some of the
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: other reporting that's been done, is Alex Austin playing a
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: little bit more inside in the slot now today Carlton
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: Davis wasn't at practice, a veteran voluntary OTA you know,
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: wasn't at practice, So maybe that just gave him the
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: opportunity to go in this direction. But they've talked about variables,
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: introducting press conference other press conferences about the big slot
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: and having a bigger body type in there than a
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: Marcus Jones or Jonathan Jones who's no longer here. Maybe
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: that speaks to that. So Alex Austin certainly fits the
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: bill as somebody that has a little bit more size
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: that can still play man coverage inside.
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I thought it was notable that when they
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: went with that look, Alex Austin stayed inside and we
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: saw Mark Jones working on the boundary, So they want
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: to get him some reps right there. I kind of
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: interpreted that as and maybe both ways. Maybe they want
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: to get Marcus Jones reps on the outside, they want
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: to get Alex Austin reps on the inside. So even
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: if Marcus Jones is going to stick around his primary
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: slot corner, they don't have a clear backup. Yeah. So
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: if Alex Austin can be your third boundary corner and
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: your select your second slot corner, that's great durability. That
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: probably saves your roster spot somewhere else. So good to
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: see that.
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So that was that. What do we get from
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: the Kickers today?
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: Alex movie?
• 42:27
  Speaker 7: Yeah?
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: So, uh, Borgallis missed one left. He missed pretty wide
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: left from about forty. It was a little over forty.
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: It's tough to see they're going the long way. John
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: Parker Romo hit all four of us kicks. One of
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: them was really close. Mike Greheese actually confirmed with the
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: member of the staff after practice that it was in
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: fact good because we weren't entirely sure. So I love
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: that that that's the hard hitting report in right, John
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: park Romo four for four, Boorgallas three or four with
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: a miss wide left.
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: So I didn't track to make some misses quite like
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: you did. That's why I teach you have for that.
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: I haven't.
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: There has been some inconsistent hits, right, Like, am I
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: wrong about that? Like some of these that may maybe
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: are technically good haven't necessarily come clean.
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: Off of either guy's foot.
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: There's been some hooks, there's been some you know, there's
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: been some just mishits.
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: I would say. I would say Parker Romo has more.
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: Borgalis definitely had the one in their first practice that
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: he didn't get square but still hit it straight. Yeah,
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: the one today. I don't know what went wrong there,
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: but it was a pretty bad ballflight. Yeah, so we'll see.
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: I still think it's Borgoalis. But no punting John Parker Romeo.
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: Today they actually did do a couple of punts. Oh okay,
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: they did three punts at the very beginning of practice.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: I don't know if this was like truly live reps
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: or a walkthrough, so I didn't put out the stopwatch times,
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: especially because one of them he kicked relatively short and
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: looked like he was on purpose set up a return.
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: That one was three point seventy five seconds. The other
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: two half times I had five point oh six and
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: then five point five to one which bounced out of
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: bounds at the six yard line. And our first one
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: was a beautiful punt, wown beautiful punt. That that really
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: that's your highlight of practice? Was great punt? Why can't
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: we give them credits? Five to five hang time from
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: Bryce Parring? Is that not?
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: Is that your your highlight of the practice. I'm asking
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: you seriously, it's.
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: Probably either the Kyle Williams getting off the line on
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: the deep ball he caught against Miles Battle, Yeah, or
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: the Jahem bellcash those are probably the highlights. That's fair.
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: I think those are two good highlights.
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: I would say Kyle Williams was probably the highlight of
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: practice there as well. So that that's your practice report
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: for you. There's one other thing I want to get
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: to that is obviously something that I have to be
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: a little bit sensitive about. But it started out the
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: press conference right away. It's a story. We can't really
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: fully ignore it. And that was obviously the video of
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: Stefan Diggs from over the weekend that's gone a little
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: bit viral. I'll just say what Rabel said and then
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: you know, if you want to give it, take you
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: and give a take. But he just said that we
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: got to make good decisions, and I think that's a
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: good that's a good line, right like that. That's really
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: what it is, right It's whether it's in the facility
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: or it's outside the facility. You just want to see
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: the players making good decisions. Yeah, oh, in any way,
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: and he brought it back to practice and said, you know,
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: I hope that we make good decisions out here at
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: practice in terms of football, you know, the actual football.
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: And then when we're away from this facility, I hope
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: we make good decisions as well. How did what did
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: you take it? Right off the jump?
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: But I give her credit carry Kregan right off the bat,
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: just first question about some right thing. I mean, I
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: thought that obviously Vrabel had the right answer. We'll say,
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: you know, I don't know how much more information is
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: going to come out. Yeah, Like, I know, people debate
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: what that is in the video that he has, but
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: it's you can't confirm it, right, So what I I don't.
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: I'd be surprised if this is something that becomes maybe
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: gets some internal discipline, but I'd be surprised if this
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: becomes like a much bigger thing than it is at
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: this point now, all publicly, all we're going off of
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: in a different but similar thing is him posting videos
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: of his workouts, which you never know, right, Like you
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: know that that happens. Every athlete nowadays has their own
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: social media channels and they're posting videos of his workouts.
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: But if we're just basing off the information that we
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: have of him posting those videos, he looks like he's
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: really attacking this rehab and this return to play, and
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: if his head is in the right place when it
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: comes to football, then some of this other stuff is
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: just kind of what you get with the big time receivers,
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: with the highly paid wide outs. Like we know that, right,
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: it goes back generations that these guys are are who
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: they are from a personality standpoint, but from a football standpoint,
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: we haven't seen him out there yet. For these practices,
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: so we haven't seen it with our own eyes, but
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: we've posted on Patriots dot Com that he's has checked
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: in and has been in some of these practices. There
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: are pictures of him.
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: I think it was over the weekend, right that we
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: posted of him at one of these practices. One of
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: these OTAs might have been last Fridays practice that he
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: was at. So he's been kicked around. He's been here,
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: been out a practice at least once. From OTAs. He
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: looks fantastic in some of these workout videos that he's posting.
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: So I guess if I had to give a take
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: on it, like I just I just don't really just
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: be smart, but like I don't really care, right, Like,
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: if he comes in here and he's defon Diggs and
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: he plays football and he's ready to go when he's
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: cleared medically and all that kind of stuff, then you
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: know what he does in his free time away from
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: the facility is up to him.
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: Who he dates, all that kind of stuff. Yeah, like perform, Right,
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of guys that have fun off the
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: field and do what they want to do off the field.
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: And if you show up and you play, you generally
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: get a little bit more freedom with that stuff. If
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: it starts impacting you on the field, that's another conversation.
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: We'll have that conversation if it does.
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, all right, So that that's practice. That's practice.
• 47:47
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• 47:52
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  Speaker 3: you know, bad alliteration, So that was a clean Bob's read.
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  Speaker 3: Sure that they loved that part of the show. What
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  Speaker 3: you think, Alex, Alex behind the glass? I have two Alex's,
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: which is like a little confusing to me.
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  Speaker 1: Honestly, let's not forget we already had this debate one
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  Speaker 1: of the shows where you weren't here. You were on
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  Speaker 1: the show, but I was hosting, and I did the read,
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  Speaker 1: and what we figured, you're better at answering the phones
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  Speaker 1: and I'm better at doing the reads. Yeah, yeah, exactly,
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  Speaker 1: that's one hundred percent true. But you're you're you're the
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  Speaker 1: radio guy amongst the two of us, so that that
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: makes sense that you would be better at doing the reads,
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: I would hope.
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: So you also do like a lot more reads, like
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: I was on the air with you the other night. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: and you guys like have the whole book and everything.
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: You gotta keep track of the read three an hour
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: during the week. Yeah, well it has to be one take.
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: It's live. It's live actually, uh. The the producer I
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: have on Sunday mornings confer Breeze. Some of the other
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: producers do too. I think George did it uh the
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: other night. It's like, if we have they'll they'll record it.
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: So if it lines up, they'll help you out. So
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: but you got to do it live at least once.
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: I like the ones where you guys are in a
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  Speaker 3: commercial and then you do a live read and then
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: you go back to commercial because I never I always
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: when I was younger and didn't you know, know how
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: the sausage is made. I always wondered if those were
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: truly live or if those were just like recorded.
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  Speaker 1: Sometimes they are, sometimes they aren't. Not to peel the
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  Speaker 3: There you go there that that's a peak behind the curtain,
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  Speaker 3: A little peak behind the curtain, is right. All right,
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: Let's get to the phones. Lorenzo is in Virginia. What's up, Lorenzo. Lorenzo,
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: you there?
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: All right?
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: Call back in Lorenzo. You was on hold for a while.
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: Patty is an aguam.
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: What's up? Patty?
• 50:45
  Speaker 5: Guys?
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: How are we doing?
• 50:48
  Speaker 5: Doing all right today? A little stuffy, but I'm doing
• 50:51
  Speaker 5: all right. I want to ask you guys a question
• 50:54
  Speaker 5: about Drake May And I tried to propose this. I
• 50:58
  Speaker 5: tried to write this thing yesterday with you. But just realistically,
• 51:03
  Speaker 5: do you guys think it's Do you think it's more
• 51:07
  Speaker 5: probable than not that he has his breakout year next
• 51:11
  Speaker 5: year as opposed to this year? And hear me out
• 51:13
  Speaker 5: on this. You know, he only had two years college
• 51:16
  Speaker 5: experience starting. If you look at some of the best
• 51:20
  Speaker 5: some of the guys that had the best rookie seasons,
• 51:22
  Speaker 5: the two guys that come to mind most recently are
• 51:24
  Speaker 5: Justin Herbert and last year Jaden Daniels, both of those
• 51:28
  Speaker 5: guys started at least four years. I know Herbert didn't
• 51:31
  Speaker 5: start like all the games this first two years.
• 51:34
  Speaker 8: And if you just built that.
• 51:35
  Speaker 5: The guy's like Joe Burrow. I know he only started
• 51:37
  Speaker 5: two seasons, but to me, like May has more tools,
• 51:41
  Speaker 5: Burrows a much better processor. I mean, I think he's
• 51:45
  Speaker 5: he's he's you know, far superior as a processor. And
• 51:48
  Speaker 5: I hope make it's that point. But to me, it's
• 51:52
  Speaker 5: just an experience thing. And I think, like if you know,
• 51:56
  Speaker 5: and Paul brought this up, I can't remember if it
• 51:58
  Speaker 5: was yesterday, Evan or a Thursday on PU I mean,
• 52:02
  Speaker 5: this is four offensive coordinators and four years for him too,
• 52:06
  Speaker 5: So there's a lot that's being thrown at this guy.
• 52:08
  Speaker 5: He doesn't have the experience and he's got all the tools,
• 52:12
  Speaker 5: and I'm just I hope he puts it together this year,
• 52:14
  Speaker 5: but more realistically, like I could see him having his
• 52:17
  Speaker 5: breakout your next year. Although I can seem improven. And
• 52:20
  Speaker 5: I'll end on this, I want to see what you
• 52:22
  Speaker 5: guys thought about that. Heaven, why not jump around from
• 52:26
  Speaker 5: house the pain for the runout song?
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: Okay, I can see that we did this. I've done
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: this so many times jump around. Come on, you don't
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: like jump around us. It's a good song, but like,
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: come on, let's do something new.
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: Okay, fair enough, Thanks for the call of Patty. This
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: was a big topic of conversation yesterday on Filter, and
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: I know it got some some love on the Sports
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: Up too, and I brought it up the other night
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: the Runout. There's people got takes on this, they got opinions.
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: Jump around.
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: I think you're right, it's it's been done a little
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: bit too many times.
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: I agree with that. It's kind of like the cliche
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: get the stadium excited song the breakout season for Drake
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: may I. This goes back to a little bit of
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: what we talked about last week. For me, like I,
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: this is my one concern about what's going on around
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: Drake may here. I think Josh the world of Josh
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: McDaniels as an offensive coordinator. I think he's a great
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: coach and I think he's a great oc maybe not
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: a great head coach, but a great osay And the
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: concern that I had was the learning curve, and that's
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: sort of what we're seeing now, where like the timing
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: and the rhythm, it just doesn't seem smooth right now.
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: For Drake May it still seems a little bit cumbersome
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: and clunky and at times, and Diggs isn't out there yet.
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: You're still trying to get Kyle Williams up and running,
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: but at times you still feel the lack of like
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: a true game breaker and within the offense as well
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: in these practices. And I know that a lot of people,
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: you know, I just quickly checked my my Twitter mentions
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: was always dangerous coming off of OTA practice. And there
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: are some comments about how you know, the clunkiness or
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: the unevenness of the offense. We just keep hearing this
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: here and you're and year out and I get that,
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: Like I I sympathize with that. I think that's that's
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: fair to say that. And the breakout year whatever we want, however,
• 54:10
  Speaker 3: we want to you know, tech, you know, define it,
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: define that, thank you, however you want to define that.
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: Between a new totally new coaching staff with a new
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: offensive system and new offensive coordinator and the fact that
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: they're still kind of building around him, They're gonna have
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: a rookie left tackle, uh there there really don't truly
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: have that number one wide receiver unless Digs like throws
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: it back right to his Buffalo days and is that guy.
• 54:38
  Speaker 3: So in general, like it might not be we might
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: not be fully there, and it might not all.
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: Be on Drake.
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: May you know that his rookie coaching staff wasn't the
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: best it could have been. Then they had to change coaches.
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: Now he's in a different system. Now, the timing, the
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: rhythm of it, at least early on in May doesn't
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: look great, doesn't look smooth quite yet in terms of
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: the processing and the post snap stuff.
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: And so yeah, maybe there.
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: Is a little bit more of a building up period here,
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: especially early on, where he doesn't come out year two
• 55:11
  Speaker 3: and make that immediate leap. Now, I mean by the
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: end of the season he does, and that's what we're
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: all hoping for. But I still have some of those
• 55:19
  Speaker 3: same concerns even though he didn't go out there and
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: throw four picks again with this the overall the timeline
• 55:25
  Speaker 3: of how quickly this is all going to come together
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: on offense, And I don't think that's all just because
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: of Drake. May I think a lot of that has
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: to do with, well, are they really going to be
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: good enough at the skill positions to ev you know,
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: to have him elevated and all that kind of stuff
• 55:39
  Speaker 3: I think is a big factor as well.
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm with you on that. I just think
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: you got to see some sign of growth. Maybe the
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: leap from year two to year three is bigger, but
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: you need to see some sort of leap from year
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: one year two. You don't want to see him be stagnant.
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: That would be worrying.
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: There's a lot of there's a lot of praise going
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: around right now for the Patriots offseason for Drake May.
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: I saw Benjamin Solac on ESPN, but he really went
• 56:04
  Speaker 3: had a big post where he said he'd be just
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: as excited about Drake May as commanders fans or are
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: about Jayden Daniels. And I understand where ben was coming
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: from with that post, because if you look at the
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: level of difficulty like he wrote, you know, Drake May
• 56:18
  Speaker 3: is in an offense with an offensive coordinator that not
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: a lot of people were crazy about, and Alex Van
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: Pelt he had the worst offensive line in football. He
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: probably had a top bottom five I should say, pass
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: catching group if not you know, thirty second, like it
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: might have been the worst pass catching group in the
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: NFL last year as well. So the roster around him
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: was not good, and yet he still went out there
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: and made plays. And I feel like that's what we're
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: seeing though from these practices, that there's still these moments
• 56:46
  Speaker 3: like he had a moment today where he just kind
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: of tiptoes around some interior pressure off platform, drops the
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: arm angle, you know, flicks it out there to a
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: receiver on the move, and gets a nice play out
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: of it out of a play that probably should have
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: been stopped in the backfield. But the big word for
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: him has always been, even going back to North Carolina,
• 57:06
  Speaker 3: is can he consistently do it? Like he has these
• 57:09
  Speaker 3: flashes of franchise quarterback potential and elite quarterback potential that
• 57:14
  Speaker 3: we saw last year that we see in these practices.
• 57:16
  Speaker 3: But that's what it was at North Carolina too, right.
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: It was kind of like for every step forward, there
• 57:21
  Speaker 3: was a step back, and there for every good play,
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: there was maybe a couple bad or not so good plays.
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: And is he getna round out his entire game. I'm
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: not trying to rain on parades or like trash Drake
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: by any means, because everybody knows how I'm a Drake
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: may guy, and I'm optimistic about Drake May. I just
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: think some of the stuff that I've heard and read
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: about the Patriots is obviously, especially from the national media,
• 57:45
  Speaker 3: is getting a little bit ahead of ourselves, like can
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: we see him do it first?
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: Like well, so, so much of it is predicated even
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: like for me in the wind project, I had ten
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: wins off the schedule, right, Like that's predicated on Drake
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: May taking some sort of a year two leap. If
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: he doesn't take a year two leap, a lot of
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: the stuff that we're talking about doesn't apply.
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: I see a lot of praise for May, for the
• 58:08
  Speaker 3: off season, for the coaching staff, and at the end
• 58:12
  Speaker 3: of the day, like they're gonna have to go out
• 58:13
  Speaker 3: there and actually, dude, like this is all projection, Like
• 58:17
  Speaker 3: they're gonna have to go out there and do it,
• 58:18
  Speaker 3: and I would I personally. Maybe it's because they've won
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: eight games over the last two seasons, Like it's as
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: simple as that. That I've been burned and I'm not
• 58:27
  Speaker 3: ready to believe again. But let's just see it happen
• 58:32
  Speaker 3: first before we get too crazy. All right, Let's go
• 58:34
  Speaker 3: back to the phones. Lorenzo's back, Lorenzo, what's going on?
• 58:40
  Speaker 6: Uh?
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: Hello, Hey, you're on there. What's up all right?
• 58:43
  Speaker 6: Hey man?
• 58:43
  Speaker 8: Thank you, thank you so much for letting me on.
• 58:45
  Speaker 8: I just have a few questions. That's pretty quick. Like
• 58:49
  Speaker 8: last year when we faced man coverage right like you said,
• 58:52
  Speaker 8: with Josh mccamsy like Roughouse pick Rouse crossers constantly like
• 58:56
  Speaker 8: with AVP, we didn't really see any of that. I
• 58:58
  Speaker 8: was wanting if you think that doctor return because I
• 59:00
  Speaker 8: know that our receivers going to separate, but you can
• 59:02
  Speaker 8: kind of help with that by creating traffic. Second, how
• 59:07
  Speaker 8: Josphontaniels especially spent time around colleges. I was wondering if
• 59:10
  Speaker 8: you think that there would be RPOs that aren't just
• 59:12
  Speaker 8: quarterback option runs like how Miami does it. The forty
• 59:16
  Speaker 8: nine ers do it, like motioning and creating space. And
• 59:20
  Speaker 8: do you think doctor Staniel's changed from quote like a
• 59:23
  Speaker 8: heavy game plan guy to more guys willing to adjust,
• 59:26
  Speaker 8: or do you think that if the offense struggles just
• 59:29
  Speaker 8: because of the game plan, like strictly just execution because
• 59:32
  Speaker 8: we know this is a big game plan offense. And
• 59:35
  Speaker 8: can Kyle William get open in the middle of the
• 59:37
  Speaker 8: field because we don't have guys who can do that.
• 59:39
  Speaker 8: It's all like jump ball, guys think consistent and do
• 59:41
  Speaker 8: you think Ethan Chisholm can be like a quick reliable
• 59:44
  Speaker 8: state people thinking for Drake Mick And that's about it,
• 59:46
  Speaker 8: thinks all.
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: Right, thanks Lorenzo. There's a lot of questions, but thanks
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: for the call.
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the first one about the scheme and
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: like helping guys against man coverage, even though it wasn't don't.
• 59:57
  Speaker 3: I don't remember exactly where they finished, but when Drake
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: May first start got in there last year for started
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 3: starting games, they were actually efficiency wise, they were really
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 3: good against man coverage. A big reason why is because
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 3: he was scrambling against man coverage and so that advantage
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 3: that they have now with man. And I would also say,
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: just to give credit, like Pop Douglas is a pretty
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 3: good man coverage beater in terms of receivers. He's quick,
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 3: he's good at creating separation, he can get open. I've
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 3: talked in the past about some of the concerns I
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 3: have with him again against zone, but against man out
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 3: of the slot, like Pop is a pretty good man
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: coverage receiver in that respect. So they had Drake May scrambling,
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 3: they had you know, Pop Douglas in isolation winning routes over.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: The middle of the field.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 3: So they weren't a complete disaster from like an EPA
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 3: standpoint against man coverage last year because of those two things. Now,
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 3: they didn't do a ton of help. You know, they
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: were stagnant offense. They were like more you know, old
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 3: school West Coast formationally and things like that. And McDaniel's
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 3: will certainly help with a lot of that. He's gonna
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 3: put receivers in stacks, he's gonna put receivers in bunches.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 3: He's going to run pick plays. We've seen him run
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 3: pick plays for years here, crossers, pick plays, different alignments
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 3: to get receivers off the line of scrimmage and away
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 3: from press coverage. So he's certainly gonna all that kind
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 3: of stuff is I would say tenants or hallmarks of
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 3: a Josh McDaniels offense. So they're certainly going to go
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 3: in that direction and have all that in their bag.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 3: I would say that in a lot of ways, that
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 3: two lends itself to Kyle Williams, who in college I
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 3: was a really good first level separator on a lot
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 3: of those types of routes like slants and angles and
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 3: coming into a bunch of That big touchdown he scored
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 3: against Syracuse was like a Josh McDaniels staple play that
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 3: they're going to probably run a ton. So I think
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 3: Kyle Williams getting open over the middle of the field
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 3: is a big reason of why he's here. I think
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 3: it's a big strength of his game, his catch and
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 3: run ability. His ability to catch balls over the middle field.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 3: First of all, get open over the middlefield, but then
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 3: also transition into yards after the catch with the football.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 3: Those are two strengths I would say. So if you
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 3: marry those things together, that's that's where That's what we're
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 3: hoping we're going here, Like, that's what we're hoping you're
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 3: going to see out of this offense. I have some
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 3: thoughts on the run game stuff too, But what do
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 3: you think about this McDaniel's offense from that standpoint?
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, I mean, I think we're gonna see a
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: lot more that me Man Beater stuff there.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 7: Thin is.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: Some of those a lot of the quick release routes
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: with Van Pelt were more inside stuff. So some of
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: those more quick release outside. Some of those digs and
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: things like that. Why can I think of it? Edelman
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: and the super Bowl on the goal line. Oh, like
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: a whip route. Yeah, whiprout, thank you. I don't know.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: I couldn't think of that. I think we'll see more
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: of that. Yeah, he's gonna be helpful against man coverage.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: To the point he made about are they gonna be
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: more of a game plan offense? Yeah, are they gonna adjust?
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: I think the game plan offense means adjusting? Yeah, so
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: I do. I do think there's is this gonna turn
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: into a nerds versus No, it's really not. No, it's
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: really not. I just think I think they're gonna be
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: pue of one of those that practice today, and we
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: have one of those about every day. Yes, and nerds
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: are taking over. As Felger says, we have lost the war.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: But it doesn't mean I won't stop fighting. But you could,
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: you could just like embrace it. No, but I won't.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: But I won't the whole point, I won't a little bit.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: I will stick. I will stick to my guns. But
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: you made it about nerds on me. When it comes
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: to McDaniels, I do think they're gonna be a game
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: plan offense. I don't think what we see week one
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: is gonna be what they are forever. I think they're
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: gonna attack different teams differently. They're gonna hunt weaknesses, they're
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: gonna hunt matchups, things like that, because at his core,
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: that's what Josh McDaniels does. Josh McDaniels wants to get
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: in the lab and pick it into an opponent of part.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: His offense is more about what the defense does poorly
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: than what his offense does well. And it's probably my
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: favorite thing about Josh McDaniels. I love teams that operate
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: that way. I love teams that operate that way on
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: both sides of the ball. We talked about this when
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: when I had you on Monday night. Bad teams can't win.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: Good teams have a way to win. Great teams have
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: multiple ways to win. Elite teams can win any way
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: they want. So I like teams that actually, and that's
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: in any sport. It's just philosophy of mine. But I
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: like teams that proactively go about making sure that even
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: if they are really good at one thing, sometimes that
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: one thing is gonna be there for one reason or another.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: Maybe you just don't have it that day, maybe the
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: opponent as a strengthen stopping that whatever. I like teams
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: are proactively going about make sure they have more than
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: one ways to win. Josh mcdani's has always done that. Again,
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: that's probably my favorite thing about his philosophy is that
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: we are not going to be handcuffed into relying on
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: one thing too much. We may have a preference, we
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: may have something we lean on more, but we're never
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: gonna get caught without a plan B or a plan C.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 3: So one of my favorite Josh McDaniel's coaching moments during
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 3: his time with the Patriots is the Super Bowl. The
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 3: second m Super Bowl is at fifty three, right, yes,
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 3: So they put together that game winning drive at the
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 3: end of the Super Bowl, and they couldn't move the
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 3: ball all night long, Like we all remember the game,
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 3: they couldn't move the ball all night long. They've got
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 3: nothing going. Julian Edelman was really the only guy that
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 3: was making any plays on offense, and they went to
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 3: the sideline and Josh McDaniels literally drew up a play
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 3: on the sideline that was not in the weekly install
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 3: It was not in the game plan. He literally just
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 3: drew it up like in dirt, like you would in
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 3: the backyard, drew up a play. It was a delay
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 3: release to Gronk, and they got Gronk out on the
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 3: delay release and he caught the football and turned up
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 3: the field and gained some positive yards. And that was
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 3: kind of the drive starter. And then they went to
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 3: that twenty two personnel with the two backs and they
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 3: flexed out Rex Burkhead on the outside and they ran
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 3: hosts three times in a row, hit it three different
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 3: ways and went right down the field with the seam
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 3: shot to Gronk being like the big play of the drive,
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 3: and that entire drive you to your game plan point
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 3: and like looking at what the defense was doing, that
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 3: entire drive was an adjustment, Like that entire drive was
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 3: this is what Wade Phillips has been doing to us
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 3: all night.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: We's counter it. Let's counter it. Like what do I
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: have in my back pocket that I can counter it?
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: And to throw shade at my own people? Right, Like,
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: that's the type of drive.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 3: That Kyle Shanahan has not put together that Josh McDaniels did, right,
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 3: And that's that's not the spreadsheet. That's what makes him great.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 3: That that's what makes him a great play caller and
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 3: ablate a great offensive coordinator. And to that point, to
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 3: the caller's point about being game plan oriented, if you
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 3: take that away, like you're not, you're not maximizing Josh McDaniels. Like,
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 3: that's what makes Josh McDaniels unique is his game plan
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 3: ability and his ability to adjust in game with play calling.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 3: And if you go into it and say like, we're
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 3: just gonna do what we do and we're not gonna
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 3: adjust and we're not gonna change anything, and that's not
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 3: you're not letting him use one of his superpowers. Like
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 3: that's truly one of his superpowers. So I hope that
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 3: that's the direction that they're going to continue to go
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 3: In the run game question, he asked, And and sort
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 3: of like the RPO question, we haven't. We're really early
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 3: on to seeing some of that stuff. So I'm still waiting,
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 3: like to make a judgment on it. It's too early.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: It's it's way too early.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 3: Maybe we see more of that once we get out
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 3: of the basic install period. But the one thing that
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 3: I have been interested in from what they've done from
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 3: a run game perspective is they've done a lot of
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 3: different stuff, and.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: You got to have all those different options in your back. Yeah,
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: not to Joshington, not that they didn't always, but like
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: outside zone really wasn't there a go to play. They
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: actually used outside zone a lot in the past, and
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: short yardage like goal line, fourth and one, they would
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: run some outside zone, but they didn't run a ton
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: of outside zone as like a base play like first
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: and ten from the twenty five are going to run
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: outside zone. They are traditionally a downhill run offense in
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: this scheme. Now he did it a little bit more
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: in Vegas, and now he's doing it a little bit
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: in these practices, So maybe this is what he's doing
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: now right Like there's a little bit of a West
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: Coast flavor to it. You obviously have the quarterback that
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: fits it. You have a couple running backs and Gibson
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: and Henderson that fit it that can run that kind
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: of scheme at one cut and go and get up
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: the field. Not that Remandra can't, but I would say
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: from my standpoint, it's always good to have a back
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: that's got some speed to the edge in order to
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: really set up this type of play because you have
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: to get the defense to respect the bounce, Like if
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: they don't respect the bounce, then they're just going to
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: crowd the middle of the field and they're gonna make
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: you string it out and it's just not gonna look good.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: So if they can do it on the left side
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: of the law offensive line, especially, they're gonna have Will Campbell,
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: who's a great athlete and can certainly whether it's front
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: side seal or backside cutoff, like, he can definitely balk
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: in an outside zone scheme. And then they might have
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 3: Cold Strange might be the guard, Jared Wilson might be
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 3: the guard on the left side. Like, those are two
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 3: guys that can definitely specialize in reaching and you know,
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 3: second level combos and things like that in and outside
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 3: zone scheme. And then you get Drake involved on those
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 3: bootlegs and get him out of the pocket and on
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 3: the move. All those things, I feel like are good
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 3: things for this offense potentially if they can get it
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 3: to hit right. So we've seen a little bit more
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 3: of that in these practices. Every once in a while
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 3: you'll see like a quarterback run, you know, design read
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 3: option type of play in there. But I don't think
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 3: there's been enough of a sample yet to get too
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 3: crazy about how often that's going to be called. But
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 3: I have definitely noticed just a wide variety of run
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 3: schemes that maybe with Brady in the past, and it
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 3: might have been scar somebody's talked about this in the
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 3: past about well, you know, when you have Brady, no
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 3: offense to Brady as amazing as he was out everything else, Like,
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 3: you're not going to run a lot of bootlegs with
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 3: Tom Brady, right Like, that's just not a strength of
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 3: his sore. If you're running a lot outside zone and
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 3: then you're not running the boot off of the outside
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 3: zone and you're kind of not running it, right like,
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 3: that's not the system, Like, that's not how it works
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 3: to the fullest. So they didn't have a ton of
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 3: boots in the offense because Brady wasn't a runner and
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 3: it wasn't you know, that kind of athlete, So they
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 3: didn't really do a lot outside zone. But Drake is
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 3: so again to your point, maybe that isn't Josh mcdaniels's uh,
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 3: you know, right hook, but it's like something that he's
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 3: got that's.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: A compliment to have.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, all right, let's get back to the calls.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 3: Todd is in the car today.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: What's up? Todd?
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 5: I honestly have to say.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 6: I don't know him enough about Drake May's history playing
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 6: and college and stuff to know. Can he be a
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 6: game plan type QB?
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 8: Can he adjustin, you.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 6: Know, game from games or does he need a set,
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 6: you know, a series of plays in a playbook that
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 6: his you know, what his standard is and where he
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 6: gets comfortable. So I'm a little bit worried about that.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 6: And I have one favorite ask the two of you.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 6: Rook used to have a draft, an NFL draft before
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 6: each season. Do you think you guys could run that,
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 6: because since he's kind of gone, that'd be kind of
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 6: cool if you do that. So I got a request
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 6: and a question for you.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: Thank God, What do you mean by your draft? Yeah?
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: What do you mean? Todd?
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 6: Is the NFL dot Com draft option, and Matt can
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 6: explain it. You'd email out to all the people that
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 6: signed up for it, and then everybody would show.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 8: Up and we all would draft our teams and TWNFL
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 8: dot com.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: Oh, like a fantasy football a fantasy football.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 8: Thing, like a fantasy football league.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was fantasy football. Yes, okay, got it? Todd?
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: All right, thank you? Sorry, we both are not We're not.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: Another one of us is truly a huge fantasy guy.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: I'm not. I Yeah, I did the Punter League last year.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 6: That was it.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: I don't even know if we're doing that again this year.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so I I just runs the league, so I
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 3: do hurdle because you know, you gotta do that one.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 3: But I have one team, maybe two max if her
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 3: dad does his league again as well. But that's only
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 3: because it's family that I'm doing. You know, I'm doing
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 3: leagues with them.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: But my Favorit book had a league and I guess
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: the winner got the host with John or something. Oh, yeah,
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: that is true. Yeah, my favorite thing with fantasy is
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: just sitting there, like would be sitting there on Sunday
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: and watching all the scores roll in and watching Red
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: Zone and like the live time. Yeah, you know, I
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: I don't get the same thrill out of it just
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: checking Sunday night and seeing how everybody did. In reality
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: is on Sundays, I'm here, I'm working. I can't really
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: do that. It just turns into me checking at the end.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: So that kind of took the air out of the
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: balloon for me.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's totally fair. I feel the exact same way
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 3: about fantasy. And then on top of that.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: I am if we do the Kicker the punder league
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: again though you're in the puddle league. Yes, no, yes, yes,
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: you're gonna be the.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 3: Other thing that I find really hard about fantasy and
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 3: I'm not asking for any sympathy whatsoever.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: I have an awesome job.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 3: But when you have to make those last minute lineup
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 3: to adjustments when an actives come out, we're just busy.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: Right, We're dealing with the we're doing that's the thrill,
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. We're doing other things.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 3: And I over the last couple of years, there's been
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 3: a couple of times where I've started guys that are
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 3: inactive because I've just been too busy to working on Sunday.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: You don't get to do fantasy football in real time.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: Like I just live vicariously through my friends teams because
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: they asked me for advice. Not always right. I don't
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: know why they still ask me, but they asked me
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: for advice, and I usually get You know, I have
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: two or three friends that played pretty intently, so I
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: know who's on by we get time, we get talked over.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: I know who's on their teams because they're asking me
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: this and that so I lived like Carelly through those teams.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: I root for those teams.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 3: So I actually what I did this past year because
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 3: this happened to me a lot of the last couple,
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 3: especially since I started working for the team and traveling
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 3: to every road game. And I actually just like I
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 3: have just do it, Like I just I gave her
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 3: my password, and I was like if I if I'm
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 3: starting somebody who's.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: Like I wanted to scratch her. I don't care. This
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: is it's a that's an episode of the league right there.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: If she wins, then we both win. If she so,
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: it doesn't really matter. I remember when when Kevin hacked,
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: didn't Kevin hack Jenny's computer to Kevin's computer to change
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: the line of collusion. That's right. That such a great
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: show in a bad way, like they like yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: she she no, Well there was one where she thought
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: she was helping him because she didn't trust It was
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: like a running joke through the show that she knew
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: Baull better than he did, and she kind of did.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah and so she but like he found out, but
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: I think he ended up winning. Anyway, I'm due for rewatch.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 3: But all that was such a good I will fully
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 3: admit that that just does better in fantasy football than
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 3: me one hundred percent because to your point about us
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 3: not watching on Sundays, like I don't watch a ton
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 3: of the rest of the league all the time.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: Because until you have to right about to play the Patriots.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 3: Literally, I literally watched the Patriots, and I watched the
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 3: teams the Patriots play like those are the two that's it, right,
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 3: So you know, we don't get uh, we don't get.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: Red zone, Paul.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 3: You know, Paul, there's a running joke on the post
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 3: game show that Paul watches red zone, you know while
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 3: the postgame show is going on.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: And I we don't really get to do that.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 3: So I I will admit I I've lost my touch
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 3: in fantasy football over the last few weeks. Through I
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 3: go back, I used to be really good at it,
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 3: like five ten years ago, and now that it's like
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 3: my job, it's.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: It's a little hard.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: So I'll go back though, and I think it's NFL
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: plus as like the ten minute condensed twenty minute condensed game.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: I usually go back through on Monday and watch all
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: the games like that. But even still that's not like
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: a perfect encapsulation that can all run together because you're
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: watching what like ten of those twelve of those.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't even have the time for that because
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 3: we're I'm watching the Patriots all twenty two and I
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 3: got to take my notes and break it all down
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 3: and you know, inspect their film. So I just kind
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 3: of bypassed that. That's why I and I hear the
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 3: complaints about Thursday Night Football and the product and stuff.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 3: I absolutely love Thursday Night Football because it's one of
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 3: the only times where I actually had to sit down
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 3: and watch football uninterrupted. So like Thursday and then sometime,
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 3: you know, I'm usually working pretty late on Mondays during
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 3: the season, but like every once in a while, if
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 3: I get my stuff done, like Monday Night Football, any
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 3: primetime game, I'm in because I actually get to watch
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 3: the game without working.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: Well, we got more. We have more primetime windows this year,
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: so there's more red zone Sundays. Like the past couple
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: of years, it's been by Week and Thursday Night Football
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: and that's it. And maybe they had a four o'clock game,
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: you got like the first half of the one o'clock
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: window of red zone. We actually have a few full
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: red zone Sundays this year, and I love one o'clock
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: home home game. You come home around eight o'clock after
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: the game was worthing, usually walk in, walking in, like
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: right on your carry on.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 3: There's nothing better than sitting down knowing your day is
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 3: done and you know the day is in the bar
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 3: and then you get in there and Sunday night football
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 3: is just starting and you're like, this is great. So
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 3: I'm I love Thursday night football and I'm in the
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 3: minority of that. But it's totally selfish. There was one
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 3: other thing that Todd brought up that I wanted that
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 3: was more serious than what we were just talking about. Oh,
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 3: the Drake May and you know, him having the mental
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 3: capacity to kind of adjust and all this, I would say,
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 3: it's TBD. Like I'm not sitting here saying that Drake
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 3: May doesn't because I don't know. I don't think we
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 3: could really say that based off of last year because
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 3: I just don't know what they were running last year. Like,
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 3: I just don't think last year.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: Was truly.
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 3: A McDaniel's PhD level offense, right, So, like it's hard
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 3: to say based off of last year, and then he
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 3: was in college before that, so it's not that I
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 3: don't think he has that bone in his body to
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 3: be able to be the maestro, to be the you know,
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 3: the conductor at the line of scrimmage and change week
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 3: to week. And may I think he probably does have
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 3: some of that, But based off of what we're seeing
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 3: out at this practice, you know, today and last week,
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 3: there's there's a learning curve going on right now with him,
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 3: and there's a timing thing and a rhythm thing going
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 3: on with him right now that was really similar to
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 3: what we saw out of him last year at this
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 3: time and at the beginning of training camp, and we
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 3: go always go back to that, like Eagles joint practice
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 3: territory of training camp. It did seem like a flip,
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 3: a switch was flipped in that practice week where after
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 3: that he looked like the better quarterback in camp or
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 3: the best quarterback in camp from that point on. And
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 3: I hope we get to that point with him this summer,
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 3: maybe sooner, but I hope we get to that point
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 3: eventually sometime soon, but we're not fully there yet. And
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 3: that that's the one hesitation that I just have with
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 3: this whole thing right now, is that he still looks
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 3: like a guy that is learning and it's like in
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 3: a process and is trying to get through things and
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 3: get through progressions and trust what he's seeing. And I
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 3: just don't fully see him letting it loose just yet.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 3: And that has to come before we start worrying about, Oh,
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 3: the Raiders are like a big quarters defense and these
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 3: are the quarters beaters we're gonna put in this game plan,
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 3: and like, you can't get to that point until you
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 3: get you that's like step three, and we're on step one,
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 3: Like you got to get through this part of the
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 3: offseason and part of the install before we can start
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 3: talking about game planning. And one week we're playing a
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 3: zone defense, heavy defense that we're gonna run these plays.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 3: The next week we're playing a post safety man defense,
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 3: and so we're gonna run those plays. Like that's all
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 3: great in theory if we get there, you know, And
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 3: I just don't know if we're there yet, certainly not
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 3: in terms of this time of year. But I'm also
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 3: not sure if this is the year that that's going
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 3: to be fully unlocked. It it's a concern of mine,
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 3: it really is that not that he can't do it,
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 3: but that how long it's going to take, how long
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 3: it's going to take. Yeah, like, how long are we
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 3: going to be sitting here two weeks into camp and
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 3: still waiting for the switch to flip on. It will
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 3: flip on, I have no doubt about that, but just
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 3: how quickly can it flip on for him is a
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 3: big question. Did you have a thought on that at all?
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: Or no? You're pretty much covered.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 3: All right, let's get to the back to the phones.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 3: Rio is in Texas without Brio.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 4: Hey, gentlemen, how you doing this afternoon?
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: Good?
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 4: It could have been one to call in since the draft,
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 4: but unfortunately the timing hasn't been right. Since you have
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 4: a later show today that gives me an opportunity to
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 4: So I just want to make a comment and then
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 4: ask a couple of questions. First is for Bart Kyle
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 4: Williams Gang represent.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: Good call, first time I called in.
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 4: You guys love that guy, So yeah. First question, did
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 4: you see that clip of last week during OTAs where
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 4: Williams caught a long pass and then Fun Diggs was
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 4: celebrating with him, and Diggs was out there looked like
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 4: he wasn't wearing a brace or anything on that prepared knee,
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 4: and the knee looked pretty swollen. Kind of messed up.
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 4: Have you guys seen him in person to see, you know,
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 4: how he's progressing as far as that injury goes.
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: We haven't. He hasn't been here for crack.
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 3: So now that was the one practice just based off
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 3: of photos that we posted to the website that we
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 3: can we know that he was at because of the pictures,
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 3: but there was no media at the practice.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 4: Okay, okay, Yeah. And my second question is I made
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 4: this comment during the draft when they drafted Joshua Farmer.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 4: Are you guys concerned at all with how light they
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 4: are upfront on defense? I had asked about the Seattle
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 4: cover three looks, and I wasn't really talking about the
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 4: back end that they That's what I focused on. I
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 4: was talking more about the four to three under that
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 4: they played, where they were able to roll out that bigger,
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 4: strong side defensive end. You know, a guy who's potentially
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 4: too gap and kind of you know, get some beef upfront.
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 4: Because I just keep going back to like how they
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 4: played against the Jaguars last season and you know, you
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 4: got what was seventeen or eighteen run plays in a
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 4: row and they just couldn't get off the field. Do
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 4: you see them, you know, having the schematics, versatility, and
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 4: the personnel to be able to actually adapt if the
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 4: team decides they want to try to run down there.
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: For Yeah, that's a that's a good question, Rio, thanks
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: for the call. I have been small see, concerned about
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: the size up front for a while now. Now tong
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: is a monster. He's a big dude.
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, bar More when he's healthy and he's right, is
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 3: also a big dude. But I still feel like they like,
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 3: what's their their best run defense front? Now, Landry's a
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 3: really good run player out on the edge. Yeah, he's
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 3: a good duet. Yeah, you know, through the middle of
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 3: the defense. And especially because they've gotten a little bit
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 3: smaller at linebacker too, by choice, they've gotten smaller at linebacker.
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 3: I do have some concern about teams leaning on them now.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 3: It's gonna be only a certain amount of teams are
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 3: stylistically prepared to do that, right, Like, I don't think
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 3: every team, especially in the modern NFL, is built to
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 3: take advantage of that. But they have Buffalo twice on
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 3: their schedule. Buffalo has kind of become that a little bit,
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 3: you know, certainly more so last year than a year's past,
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 3: where you know with James Cook, like they can be
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 3: a bully, like they can run the ball down your
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 3: throat in Buffalo Baltimore is on the schedule, certainly can
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 3: do that Vegas Week one with Ashon Genty might try
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 3: to do that, right that that might be what they
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 3: might build their offense around.
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: So I hear Rio's point.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 3: You know in the Seattle three they had the designated
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 3: pass rusher, the the Leo or the Rio role that
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 3: you know was truly a designated pass rusher in their front.
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 3: That role I based off of what we've seen in
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 3: at practice they've used Keon White, I would say mostly
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 3: on that side of the of the formation or that
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 3: side of the field, and that type of role.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: Landry.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 3: They they like Landry as a run defender, and rightfully
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 3: so he was a really good run defender even last
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 3: year when the pass rush numbers dipped a little bit.
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: So could they use like a.
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 3: True three four now he gets three four is the
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 3: wrong way way to call it? Like a true too,
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 3: like the Rio's point, like a two gapping end maybe,
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 3: But I do think that bar Moore is that when
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 3: he's right, So maybe they end up kicking Barmore a
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 3: little bit further outside if they have to. But it's
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 3: something that is a concern to me, A small seat
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 3: concern right now is right up the gut. Like I'm
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 3: not talking about the edges. I think they're gonna have
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 3: the athleticism and the playmakers outside with Landry and Keon
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 3: White and Anthony Jennings probably mixing in a little bit
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 3: there on the edge. But our team's going to be
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 3: able to line up under center and run it right
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 3: at you. And if they do, are you going to
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 3: be heavy enough sturdy enough to stop it?
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah? We've talked about this, like are they maybe a
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: defensive tackle short now? They have some guys that are
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: smaller that are skilled run players like Joshua Farmer. So
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: even like Milton Williams, right, we'll see what mil Williams
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: wasn't really be used in that role in Philly. We'll
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: see how he looks in that. But I would not
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: hate them outing another nose tackle just to add another
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: big body in the middle.
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a it's a fair question there by Rio
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 3: all Right, Randy is in Providence.
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: What's up, Randy?
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 2: Hey, guys, how's going to good? So a couple more
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 2: questions for you number one. You guys have mentioned a
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 2: couple of times spanning a different podcasts, not just this one,
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 2: but Wilson playing guard potentially, And I'm just wondering if
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 2: you guys know if he has any history at all there,
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 2: And why do you think that if you want Wilson
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 2: and Bradberry on the field at the same time, that
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 2: it would be Wilson you prefer to move as a
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 2: boat to Bradbury.
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Oh what else you got?
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 9: Okay?
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so two more quick ones. Do you think this
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 2: is going to be a run heavier offense? I think
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 2: back to like the early days of Brady where it
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 2: was like they were mostly asking him to just not
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 2: make mistakes.
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 2: He would throw for like two hundred and twenty yards
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 2: all the time. I remember I used to like take
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 2: him on my fantasy team and be.
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 8: So annoyed at it.
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 2: But he wouldn't throw the interceptions. You know, it was
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 2: just no mistakes. And do you think he's going to
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 2: kind of want to slow play Drake along like that
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 2: and just say what, We're not going to ask you
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 2: to throw for miles. We're just going to ask you
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 2: to not throw to the other team. Yeah, And then
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 2: my last one was just what sort of patience do
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 2: you think Rabel was going to have with Diggs kind
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 2: of social life. I guess it's like his girlfriend is
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 2: Cardi b. That's not like a tame celebrity. A lot
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 2: of pictures and stuff like that are bound to pop up,
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 2: and he's bound. This is the second ota, Brad just
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 2: he already got a question about one. Right, it's gonna happen.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 2: What sort of patients do you think he's gonna have
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 2: with that?
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's all fair questions, Randy. What was his first question?
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 3: That was a good question. I can't remember.
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: Oh boy, we're bad today. Yeah, train sitting out in
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: the sun. There's a good question too, And hang on,
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: I'll go back and find it. Okay, just to answer
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: backwards because I just totally spaced right there. Sorry, Randy.
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 3: I would say that the patients thing with Diggs is
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 3: is a good question. I I don't think that, you know,
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 3: we're I'm that worried about it yet. Because of the
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 3: type of coach that Rabel is though. I think Rabel
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 3: is the type of guy that can get people to
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 3: buy in, they can get people locked in. And I'll
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 3: just and Diggs's defense I'll just say again, like I
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 3: he was, he looks really impressive in these workout videos, right,
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 3: and it looks like he's really attacking rehab and doing
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 3: a good job with that. So as long as he's
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 3: coming and doing his job that he's being paid to
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 3: do in terms of playing football for the Patriots, and
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 3: he's not, you know, getting into any legal trouble off
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 3: the field. Like I have to imagine that none of
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 3: this has really been made into a huge deal just yet.
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: Internally, he's that's a guest, He's Stefan Diggs. He's a celebrity. Yeah,
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: Like he's a beyond sports celebrity, and you know what
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: you're getting into when you sign a guy like that. Yeah. So, uh,
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: the first question was going, so we've talked about if
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: it's gonna be Wilson Bradbury on the field together, that
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: was it's Wilson at left guard. Why not move Bradbury
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 1: because Bradbury is a true center? Yeah, Bradbury has been
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: a center going all the way back to college. Is
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 1: seventh year in the league and he's been a center
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: for all six of his previous seasons. He's also smaller. Yeah,
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 1: I was gonna say, does he have the sized play guard.
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, much smaller player than Jared Wilson. Jared Wilson does
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 3: have some guard in his background. He in college at Georgia.
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 3: He's a one year starter at center, but he started
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 3: the at Georgia as a guard and played a lot
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 3: of garden practice for the Bulldogs in practice, and so
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 3: he's cross trained at both positions. Again, I Wilson's natural
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 3: position is center, like, that's his long term position. And
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 3: I do want to talk about David Andrews here in
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 3: a second as well, and don't want to forget about that,
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 3: but that's his natural position.
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: But there might be a case to be made.
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 3: And I know you've made the case of let's not
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 3: mess with it in terms of his development, which is
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 3: also a fair point, but there just might be a
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 3: really strong case to be made that for the twenty
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 3: twenty five Patriots, the best position for Jared Wilson has
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 3: left guard, so that they can have all five of
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 3: those guys together, you know, Campbell, Wilson, brad Berry on
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 3: when New Moses is probably on paper their best five
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 3: man combination, and the only way that happens is if
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 3: Wilson plays guard right. So that's the thought process there.
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 3: But I agree with you from a standpoint of you
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 3: messing with his development. I think that that can be
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 3: a fair point too, if that's the way it is.
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 1: I still think if Wilson's good enough to play, is
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 1: good enough to play center? Yeah?
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So before we get back to the calls and emails,
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 3: I do want to talk about David Andrews, and I
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 3: don't want to forget, So let's do it now.
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: David Andrews.
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 3: The Patriots just tweeted that David Andrews is going to
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 3: have a retirement press conference on Monday. He's officially retiring
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 3: from the NFL after a great career here in New England.
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 1: Two time Super Bowl champion. How many times is he
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 1: a captain?
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 6: Like?
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 1: Five?
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 3: Six, seven times team captain? I don't know six, I
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 3: have the exact number off the top of my head.
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 3: But represented the organization just as well as any player
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 3: possibly could. I would say in my time covering the team,
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 3: it's a it's a three horse race. But specifically, I guess,
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 3: just to me from the guys that I got to
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 3: know a little bit better, Devin mccordy and David Andrews
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 3: were the consonmate of consonmate pros that I've ever been around. Yeah,
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 3: Slater would be the third one, of course. And I
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 3: would put David Andrews in the same exact category as
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 3: I would put those two guys as just like not
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 3: only a perfect leader, but also just like that's a
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 3: football player, Yeah, like that's an nf fell offensive line.
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 3: And the toughness and the attitude that he brought. He
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 3: was always like a guy that would stand up for
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 3: any of the quarterbacks, whether it was Tom Brady or
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 3: Mac Jones or Bailey, Zappy or Drake or whoever Cam Newton,
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 3: he stood up for all of them. He was always
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 3: tough as nails. He was always clutch. He had big
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 3: blocks and big moments and big sequences as a Patriot,
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 3: obviously as a two times Super Bowl champion, there is
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 3: no doubt in my mind that David Andrews will wear
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 3: a red jacket some day. He will be a Patriot
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 3: Hall of Famer. One hundred percent can almost guarantee that
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 3: he will be a Patriot Hall of Famer. Will He
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 3: used to wait four years until you can get on
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 3: the ballot, and then there obviously could be a log
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 3: jam still going on as we've seen already with Edelman
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 3: and Viniti and Gronk coming up and other guys coming
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 3: up as well. But he, to me, will be a
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 3: red jacket guy not before long. And it'll be cool
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 3: to send him off on Monday and have that press conference.
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I know some people roll their eyes at the
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: Patriot Way thing because the way the last few years
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: have gone. But you talk about what the Patriot Way
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 1: is at its core, and when we talked about that
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 1: when they were winning, right, the Patriot Way. What is
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 1: the Patriot It's David Andrews. David Andrews is the textbook
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 1: Patriot Way. An undrafted guy, undersized, came in here, worked
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: his ass off, proved he could be a good football player, improved,
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: took coaching, took accountability, became a leader, became a core
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 1: member of the team. I would make the joke when
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 1: they wore the throwbacks, like the guy in the helmet
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: snap in the football, that's David Andrews. Like everything that
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 1: their run was is embodied by David Andrews.
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 3: I give him a ton of credit. Obviously, the winning's
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 3: great Super Bowl rings are great. I give him even
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 3: more credit for how he handled himself the last few years. Yeah,
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 3: because I am sure and he's spoken about it has
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 3: been extremely difficult on him to go from a perennial
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 3: Super Bowl contender to a team picking in the top five.
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 1: That cannot be easy.
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 3: And he every time, you know, he was asked to
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 3: be available, he was available. He was one of the
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 3: first guys to the podium after all these losses recently.
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 3: He was always one of the first ones up there,
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 3: oftentimes still in like pads, like game pants and like
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 3: basically in uniform still and come up to the podium
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 3: and do his press conference, and always a stand up guy,
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 3: always answered questions, always took accountability for the team's performance.
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 3: He was out of anybody that's been on this team
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 3: post Brady Like. He was pulling on the rope as
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 3: hard as you possibly could have pulled on the rope.
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 3: And unfortunately, over the last couple of years, just not
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 3: enough guys pulled on the rope in the right direction
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 3: with him. But it wasn't David Andrews Like. He was
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 3: not a problem. It was not him that wasn't putting
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 3: in the effort. It's a bummer that the career, his
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 3: career nine years in the league is ending on this note.
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 3: You know, injury last year more or less ended his career.
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 3: It sounds like he's that a little bit on his
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 3: own podcast, so to have his career end like that, obviously,
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 3: the Patriots cut him earlier this offseason. The idea was
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 3: probably to give him a chance to catch on elsewhere.
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 3: I have no inside of information or whatsoever on whether
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 3: or not he even had any calls or had any opportunities.
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 3: But he has opted to retire. So that retirement press
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 3: conference will be on Monday afternoon at three thirty. We
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 3: are expected to be out of OTAs that day and
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 3: then they're going to have the press conference after that,
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 3: So it's going to be a jam pack day. And
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 3: I do believe that Patriots dot Com will carry it live,
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 3: so you'll be able to watch it on Patriots dot
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 3: com and on Patriots YouTube as well if you want
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 3: to watch the press conference. So it should be Uh,
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 3: those are we've only covered a I've covered we did.
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 3: Devin mccordy's slater didn't do one, so I haven't done
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 3: a ton of them.
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 1: Did I don't do one? He did know because it's COVID.
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 1: Oh he like zoomed with us. Yeah, and he did
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: in the fall or.
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 3: He did the video with him on the field where
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 3: he announced it and and you know the Foxborough Forever
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 3: stuff and all that. But I think Devin McCarty might
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 3: be the only guy that's done this like a true
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 3: retirement press conference. In this vance y I started covering.
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 3: Well that's another one too. You mentioned it, Edelman and
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 3: the fox Barrow Forever stuff. Yeah, one of the few
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 3: guys from the run who'd in, uh mccordy to one
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 3: of the few guys that didn't go elsewhere. Yeah, and
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 3: if you remember back he I think was it the
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 3: Ravens or the Dolphins that we were all sure like
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 3: he was gone.
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, after the twenty twenty season. He misses the twenty
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 1: nineteen season with the I think it was with the
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 1: blood clot plays in twenty twenty, which nobody expected coming
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 1: off that blood clot in COVID. Yeah, played played that season,
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 1: and then in twenty two twenty he was a free agent.
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 1: He was supposed to be the passing the torch to
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 1: Ted Carris, and that was one of the big things
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 1: that offseason was you have a rookie and not that
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 1: anybody had anything against Ted Carris, Ted Krress a great player.
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 1: Ted Carris ended up having a great career for himself.
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 1: But I remember one of the talking points that offseason was,
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 1: all right, the probably gonna have a rookie quarterback coming in. Boy,
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 1: it'd be great to have a guy like David Andrews.
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 1: It's going to be a shade when he leaves. And
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 1: then at like the eleventh hour, all of a sudden,
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 1: David to the point where Ted Carriss had resigned to
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 1: like a starter contract. Everybody thought he's gonna to the center.
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 1: Then Andrews comes back and tells you what they thought
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 1: of him, that they had paid Ted Carris like a
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 1: starter and still took Andrews back. And Ted Carris ultimately
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 1: ends up starting that year because they moved the offensive
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 1: line around a bunch over the course of that season.
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 1: But David Andrews wanted to come back. They wanted him
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 1: back that bad. I think the twenty twenty one off
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 1: season speaks a lot to what David Andrews meant to
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 1: this team.
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I just I can't stress enough just how impressed
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 3: I was with David Andrews post Brady, Like it's one
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 3: thing to be on board and be a great teammate
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 3: and be a great locker room guy when you're winning
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 3: and you're going to the Super Bowl every year, when
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 3: that turns in the way that it did, and the
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 3: team goes to picking in the top five and winning
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 3: four games a year, and he's still the same guy,
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 3: and he's still a stand up dude. And even being
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 3: around the team last year he was injured, like he
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 3: was out there at those practices when it was like
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 3: thirty degrees out the team had like four wins, three wins,
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 3: and he's out there trying to help his teammates get
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 3: better as a coach essentially. You know, he's done some podcasting,
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 3: He's done some stuff with you guys, or he's been
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 3: on the air a couple of times with you guys.
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 3: I don't know if media is his direction. I don't
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 3: know coaching his direction. I know he's talked in the
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 3: past about not being able to be too far away
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 3: from football, like he needs to be in football some way,
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 3: just to scratch the itch post playing career, is that media?
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 3: Is that going into coaching, We'll see it. But it
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 3: was a great career. Nine years, two time Super Bowl champion. Yeah,
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 3: David Andrews is one of my personal favorites. I had
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 3: some great stories too. Just a great guy, a great patriot.
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 3: All right, let's get back to the phones. Mark is
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 3: in Connecticut. What's up, Mark?
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 9: Hey, guys, thanks for taking my call as always a well.
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 9: I love the rant that you guys just went on
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 9: about David Andrews. I mean, he's just a body, like
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 9: Alex was saying, the Patriot way, first guy to the
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 9: podium every time. Just a true professional and I love
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 9: him absolutely. The other couple of things real quick, is
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 9: Jalen Folk do you think he's going to turn into
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 9: a Taekwon Thorarton, you know, Nikuil Harry, Like, is he
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 9: still nursing an injury right now?
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 5: Is he practicing?
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 9: I'm just worried that, you know, it's another second round
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 9: bust out of him. And then the other thing is
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 9: I love the fact that Kendrick Warren is, you know,
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 9: reviving his career.
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 8: Again with Josh McDonalds because we all know he.
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 9: He knows the system well and I'm really rooting for him.
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, thanks for the call. Mark.
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 3: So, Jalen Polk is we mentioned this earlier in the show,
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 3: but Jempo's here, He's participating limitedly limitedly that word, he's limited.
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 3: He is limited in these practices and during positional drills,
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 3: during individuals and things like that, he's participating. But then
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 3: when they go to team, when they go to eleven
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 3: on eleven, he's doing routes on air on the side
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 3: field while everybody else is doing team. So he's not
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 3: fully cleared yet for team. It doesn't seem like he
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 3: is coming off that injury. I really confirmed this, but
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 3: I believe it was a shoulder right, that sounds right.
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 3: At the end of last year, he ended the year
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 3: actually on IR now is one game he missed with eighteen.
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 1: He missed one game on injured reserves shoulder injury.
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 3: Shoulder injury. So I assume that he had some sort
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 3: of surgery or something like that on that.
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 1: He was going to sling some of those offseason videos. Yeah,
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 1: so he's coming back from that in terms of bust.
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 6: Uh. You know.
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 3: The tough thing about Jalen Polk, I don't want to
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 3: write anybody off, and I certainly don't want to write
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 3: off a guy who's going into year two after a
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 3: year one was really just not a great setup for
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 3: a rookie receiver. Now with that being said, there is
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 3: not a lot of history of a receiver putting up,
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 3: was it eleven catches, twelve catches, twelve Yeah, something like that,
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 3: and then going on and blossoming into a great receiver,
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 3: even a good receiver.
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 1: There's just not touchdowns.
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 3: There's just not a lot of like that could be
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 3: one game, right, You're right like that, there's just not
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 3: a lot of precedent for that in terms of it
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 3: panning out. Now, maybe there's a little bit more precedent
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 3: for him then going on to just being an NFL player,
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 3: Like a guy that's contributed can contribute, but in terms
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 3: of him being like a big time contributor or an
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 3: impact player. I'm not ready to close the book because
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't. I wouldn't close the book on any player
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 3: that's his youngest, Jalen Polk. But uh, we're we're in
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 3: dire times, like we're we're pretty unrealistically projecting forward. If
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 3: we're thinking that he's going to go on and be
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 3: like a high impact receiver in the NFL based off
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 3: of his rookie season, the two things working for him
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 3: one horrible setup for any rookie receiver last year, like
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 3: that offense. Uh, the coaching staff, all of that just
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 3: wasn't set up for success, and they admitted it as much. Yeah,
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 3: Elly Wolfs submitted as much. The other thing that I
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 3: think is working for him is that, for better or worse,
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 3: a lot of his struggles as a rookie were mental,
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 3: I think more than physical.
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 1: Once he didn't get that heel in against Miami in
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 1: Week five, he just kind of forgot how to play
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 1: football for a little while there. He was just not playable,
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 1: Like it was just a mental hurdle that he was
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 1: not able to overcome. So hopefully with an offseason, you know,
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 1: the more time that's passed from that, like maybe he
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 1: can get out of his own head a little bit
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 1: about all these different things. I mean, you hope that
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 1: kind of the reset is what he needs. And a
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 1: lot of it was mental last year. But it's just
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 1: it's so tough to turn around the fact that he
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 1: is limited right now, like he's playing catchup. He's already
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 1: playing ketchup. But then the fact that he's behind in
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 1: terms of this injury and he's not out there with
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 1: everybody else makes it even tougher. So you hope he's
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 1: good to go by the start of camp and he
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 1: can really compete, but he's just there's so many areas
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 1: in which again he's playing catch up. Yeah.
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 3: Absolutely, all right, let's get to some of these emails.
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 3: We have a couple good ones here. So this is
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 3: a good one here from Stevie Steve Steve, so I'm
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 3: assuming his name is just Steve, so it goes Steve.
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 3: He asks, how do we think that the Rabel defense
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 3: will defend the tight ends, especially week one looking ahead
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 3: to brock Bauers in Week one with the Raiders. It's
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 3: a good question because they had they had a specific
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 3: like tight end stopper role in the Belichick style defense
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 3: where you know, whether it was Kyle Duggar or Patrick
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 3: Chung and his like career renaissance second, you know, life
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 3: there in his career, whatever the case may be, that
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 3: for a long time, it was that like cover safety
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 3: role that I played man to man on tight ends
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 3: for the Titans defenses. With Rabel, like they were a
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 3: little bit more zone heavy, a little less man to man,
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 3: so you know, they were a little bit more in
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 3: terms of zone distribution, Like that's how they would cover
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 3: tight ends. Right, you just have guys bodies in the middle,
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 3: of the field and zoning guys off and things like that.
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 3: I still feel like we've seen quite a bit of
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 3: manton Man coverage as you would expect with Gonzo and
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 3: Carlon Davis and the players the Patriots may have, So
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't be surprised if it looks similar and you
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 3: have some of those cover safeties again, whether it's you know,
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 3: a dugger Craig Woodson potentially competing for a role like that,
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 3: Alex Austin, maybe you know as like an inside corner,
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 3: like a slot corner. But you know, Bowers is like
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 3: more of like a flex receiver than he is. He's
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 3: more of a slot receiver than he is like a
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 3: true tight end. So maybe like that they cover him
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 3: in Week one with a corner, you know, if you
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 3: want to get specific to Brock Bowers. But I think
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 3: it's going to be pretty similar based off of what
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 3: we've seen. Now we've seen very little, but that's where
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 3: I'm at with that.
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, Craig Woodson probably makes most sense as
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 1: the tight end stopper in general. Do you want to
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 1: throw Brock Bowers at him in his first NFL game?
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 1: That might be where they go Austin or they go
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 1: with Peppers, and it'll probably be multiple I mean, he's
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 1: their top receiver. He'll be double teamed and he'll get
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 1: a lot of attention. But I think ideally Craig Woodson
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 1: slots into that role.
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, and I you know, he did a
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 3: little bit in college. Now, he had his ups and
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 3: downs in that role in college. I remember Gats in
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 3: the Syracuse tight end he had a game against him.
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 1: Well, Gats is another one of these guys. He was
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 1: a wide receiver when he entered college.
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, game, you had a couple of big catches against
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 3: Craig woods And I'm still weary if that's really a
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 3: strength of his game. But in terms of getting on
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 3: the field and like give the opportunities that might be
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 3: there for Craig woods and it feels like those opportunities
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 3: are better suited. You know, Duggar and Peppers are going
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 3: to be Duggar and Peppers. They're going to play their roles,
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 3: they're going to be starters, they are going to be
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 3: full time players. So if he's going to get on
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 3: the field, it's going to be you know, potentially could
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 3: be him being able to lock down tight ends it's
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 3: like either him being able to lockdown tight ends or
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 3: him playing center field, Like those are the two ways
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 3: that he really has a path on the field. All right,
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 3: this is a question from that one Boston fan. He
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 3: has a Twitter account. I 't know if he's getting
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 3: his Twitter account a little bit, but he asks, uh,
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 3: you know how big how I guess to rephrase this,
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 3: how uh frequently with the Patriots use trick place on
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 3: offense this year. I think it is a good question
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 3: because McDaniels has always been a trick he loves trick place.
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 1: Morton last year. I mean, I don't know, I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if I can give you a percentage won a
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 1: game when every other game something like that, But they'll
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 1: they'll be a feature.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's there's no doubt about it. Like he's a
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 3: big trick play guy. Yeah, whether it's I don't know.
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 3: I call a flea flicker a trick play. I don't
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 3: know if it's truly a trick play. It's kind of
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 3: maybe in a slightly different.
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 1: Box, but I think it's a trick It's a common
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 1: trick play, but it's a trick play.
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  Speaker 3: So he's a big flea flicker guy. Yeah, he's a
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 3: big double pass guy. Yeah, I mean the pass the
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 3: ball out to the receiver to then throw back to
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 3: the back and the screen in the flat is like
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 3: a McDaniel's trick play staple.
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you pull you screen out right, you pull the
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 1: offensive line out left, and the wide receivers back left.
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 1: Who is the throwing wide receiver now though, So Kendrick
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 1: Bourne's done a little bit, A little bit. I don't
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 1: know though, if there's none of them really have quarterback backgrounds.
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 1: Do they bowlk Baker? Oh, Kyle Williams in high school? Yeah,
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 1: I think was a quarterback. So maybe it's Kyle Williams
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 1: or they gonna have a rook you mas throwing the ball.
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 3: And I know we're not really supposed to say this,
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 3: but not this in practice this year, but in the
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 3: past Hunter Henry's throwing some passes in practice.
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 1: Now most of the time is goofing off. But like
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 1: those Arkansas tight ends, remember a j Jerby, Maybe he's
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 1: got a little bit of an arm. I don't know.
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 1: Maybe that's tougher to do though, because they rarely put him. Well,
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 1: maybe it'll be different with Josh McDaniels. Yeah, how much
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 1: should Henry line up out wide into twenty twenty one,
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 1: because not a ton they're gonna know if Hunter Henry's
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 1: lined up on the boundary, Hey, something's coming. Yeah, usually
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 1: it's you know, they all the Patriots run place to
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 1: set it up, and maybe that's something we see more
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 1: than this.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, So all their double passes in the past, for
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 3: the most part, I shouldn't say all. It's just off
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 3: the top of my head. The ones that I remember,
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 3: they used to use Gronk as like a blocker, like
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 3: as like a personal protector basically for the thrower. So
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 3: they put the Edelman outside, they put Gronk on the
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 3: line of scrimmage. Edelman would like take a five steps
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 3: back to how to be a backwards pass, and then
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 3: Gronk would literally pass it in front of him and
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 3: just stand in front of him. You watch the touchdown
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 3: passa Danny A. Mondola against Baltimore in the playoffs. Gronk
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 3: is the one that is basically playing left tackle for
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 3: Julian Edelman, so most of the time that's a tight end.
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 3: So maybe that would more be Hunter Henry's role.
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 1: They actually throwing the pator Henry fifty eight uh snaps
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 1: in the out wide. Now he did play a lot
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 1: in the slot. It's actually career high slot usage for
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 1: him in twenty twenty one. So yeah, on the Baltimore win,
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 1: your point Edelman lines up out wide. Yeah, but he
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 1: actually motions in and by the time the ball snapped,
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 1: he's a slot receiver. So yep, a little short.
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 3: Motion and then the other So they like that play,
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 3: right obviously double true double pass.
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 1: Like here, I'm sorry, I just like sneezed it in
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 1: the mic. I thought I muted my mic. I hit
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 1: pause on the computer. I'm so out of it. So
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 1: did that earlier today too, and I was thinking like, man,
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 1: I hope I don't do that and hit pause on
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 1: the computer, thinking I think everybody will forgive you. It's
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 1: a it's gross.
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 3: So you had the the Edelman double pass, like back
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 3: to the to the screen side, right, So you have
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 3: like the that's the line of scrimmage play where they
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 3: throw it out to Edelman and then they throw the
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 3: screen across. Then they also have like just a straight
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 3: double pass like Damn and Dola in twenty fourteen, Like
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 3: that's just a out to the receiver up the field
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 3: double pass. Then the other thing that they built in
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 3: to the screen one is that they would have the
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 3: receiver on the screen side run a deep over and
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 3: he actually hit Philip dor Set for a touchdown in
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 3: Philadelphia on the downfield throw.
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 1: Was that the one Dorset got hurt.
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 3: I don't I don't know if he got hurt, but
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 3: he kind of touchdown. It was the only touchdown of
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 3: the game for the either two and it was an
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 3: Edelman touchdown pass to Philip dor Set and McDaniels. Josh
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 3: did a podcast with Julian Edelman. It must have been
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 3: like Games with Names or one of the Edelman shows,
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 3: and they talked about it, and I guess, like that
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 3: route is just a clear out to clear out that
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 3: side and it's really not an option, like it's you're
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 3: not supposed to throw it. The only time you're supposed
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 3: to throw it is if he's like wide open, like
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 3: there's like literally nobody covers him and he's wide open.
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 3: But this wasn't that, Like this was like a throw,
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 3: like he threw the ball to Phillip dor Set like
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 3: a quarterback would. And Julian Edelman said that he remembered
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 3: the night before the game they had to walk through
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 3: yea and he jokingly threw the he jokingly through the
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 3: pass the door set and McDaniels was like, you better
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 3: not do that in the game, And then he did
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 3: it in the game the next day and I and
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 3: I think the quote was like you maverick or something
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 3: like that, like and McDaniels was pissed that he actually
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 3: made the throw, but it was for a touchdown, So
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 3: can't be two pissed you're a touchdown only touch of that.
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 1: Again, that was a rock fight that game. That game
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 1: was brutal.
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 3: This is a good catch twenty two question here to
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 3: wrap it up on because this could take us a
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 3: few minutes to get there. So this is a very
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 3: long email from Robert, very well thought out Robert. I.
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 3: I apologize that I can't read the whole email, but
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 3: I will summarize. So the summarization of this email is
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 3: about a concept that you and I have kicked around
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 3: many times on the show about an NFL developmental league
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 3: and having some way in the off season, yes to
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 3: allow NFL players to play in the spring leagues as
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 3: a way to develop their skin, a whole plan for
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 3: those So the UFL is going on right now, correct.
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 1: Their final week in the regular season, is this week
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 1: this weekend?
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 3: It's the ratings have been awful, if I'm not mistaken,
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 3: like no one cares.
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 1: Not as bad as some of the other spring leagues.
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 1: But it's not like it's not the NFL. Not a
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 1: ton of people are watching. No.
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 3: So the way that this is mutually benefited, there's obvious
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 3: benefits for a league like the UFL to bring in
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 3: NFL players because that would then get us sick goose
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 3: to watch right well, and.
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 1: It becomes it becomes part of following your team because
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 1: if the Patriot to have a player assigned there, you
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 1: want to see what he's gonna do. Is he gonna
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 1: make a push with the roster, especially the quarterbacks. I'll
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 1: say this about the UFL, like it's not as bad
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 1: as a whole. The football is not as bad as
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 1: people make it out to be. The court, there's not
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 1: nearly enough quarterbacks, so the poor quarterback play brings everybody
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 1: else down. The number of like overthrows or bad reads
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 1: or guys just holding the ball, leading the sacks, miss
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 1: picking up protections. If the quarterback play was better, the
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 1: league as a whole would be a lot better.
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 3: So that being said, the concept that we've always kicked around.
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 3: And let's be clear, this is not Drake may going
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 3: to play in the springley. This is I know he's
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 3: not on the team anymore, but this is Joe Milton
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 3: going to play in this even he might be astra
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 3: like I too good.
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it would be like a guy who finished it
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 1: probably would be a guy who finished the pass season,
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 1: like on the practice squad or not on a ringar
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 1: guy like a future contract guy. Well, he's a rookie,
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 1: so that's different. I'll get to that in a second. Yeah,
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 1: but you probably would need some So I think the
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 1: probably something written into the contract where the player would
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 1: have to agree to it that like, hey, we are
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 1: allowed to ask you to go play in this league.
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 3: So there's a lot of benefits from obviously the spring
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 3: league side in terms of money and revenue, but the
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 3: other the real advantage I think for NFL teams for
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 3: this is that once you get into the season, especially,
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 3: there's just not a ton of reps for these backup rights,
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 3: and especially at positions that are very technique based, like
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 3: offensive line. Everybody talks about how the offensive line play
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 3: around the league stinks, and it's a developmental issue. It's
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 3: a pipeline issue, and it's just across the league.
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 1: Teams are having trouble finding enough talent on the offensive line. Now,
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 1: I'm not suggesting that this would solve all your problems,
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 1: but it does. It will, in theory, increase the talent
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 1: level of the offensive line, the pool around the league,
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 1: and the floor of the talent around the league if
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 1: you would allow and we're talking about practice squad guys
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 1: and maybe on rare, rare exceptions, like back end of
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 1: the roster guys that didn't play at all in the
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 1: NFL and we're like healthy scratches all the time or
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 1: whatever the case may be the year before. But this
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 1: allowing that to happen, I think would be huge for quarterbacks.
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 1: It'd be huge for linemen. Yeah, and other positions too.
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 1: You know, there are always benefits to getting live reps.
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 1: You can't replicate live reps, and especially once you get
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 1: into the season, it's really difficult to replicate live reps
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 1: for backups because they just are all the starters are
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 1: repping all the time and these practices and there's not
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 1: a lot of contact to begin with. A lot of
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 1: these practice especially late in the season, aren't even full
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 1: contact practices anymore because guys are banged up and stuff
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 1: like that, so the coaches pull back. So this would
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 1: allow you know, good examples in the past that we've had,
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 1: you know are like guys like a Trey Nixon, right,
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 1: who's like trying to make the Patriots team a year
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 1: in and year out, can't break through. If he goes
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 1: to the UFL and plays live football in the spring,
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 1: does that put him in a better position to potentially
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 1: make the Patriots roster in the summer, And then it's
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 1: more content, which the NFL is all about, because now
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 1: we're following this thing and we're talking about Trey Nixon. Hey,
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 1: Trey Nixon had eight hundred yards in ten games in
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 1: the UFL, Like should we be noticing that? So I
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 1: would take it to another level. I think the spring league.
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 1: First of all, you'd have to shift it. This is
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 1: my idea. You don't do it this time of year.
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 1: It goes from the week after the Super Bowl to
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 1: a couple of weeks before the draft. That's what I
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 1: would run. And you have three groups of players street
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 1: free agents, street free agents, So these are just guys
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 1: that don't have a team they're veterans, they can play.
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 1: The second group is players assigned by NFL teams, and
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 1: you would figure out what qualifies a player who can
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 1: be assigned and how they'd get split up on the
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 1: different teams. You could also, by the way, do that
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 1: with coaches and maybe give some young coaches experience. But
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 1: you know, maybe NFL teams want their players to play
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 1: for a certain coach, they send him to a certain team,
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 1: or you send a guy close to where he played
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 1: college because that's good for the Development League because they'll
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 1: get some groups. And then the third group you make
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 1: for certain players coming out of college, you have to
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 1: declare for the draft. You can't do this and go
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 1: back to school, but you make it an alternative to
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl Combine circuit. Okay, so a young guy
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 1: like you wouldn't have a top pick doing this, right,
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 1: But a guy that's on the fringe, so Ben wold
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 1: Ridge would be a great example of this undrafted player
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 1: doesn't have a ton of tape. What's the combine really
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 1: going to do for him? He didn't get invites to
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 1: the Senior BOWLD. No, he's going to go play in
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 1: this league and now we get to watch him, And
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 1: imagine if especially there aren't some bigger name quarterbacks that
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 1: aren't looked at looked at. It's like draftable guys. Perfect
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 1: example of this, dju Ungalle Yeah, right, was nothing was
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 1: happening for him at the combine. He wasn't gonna raise
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 1: his stock. If he go plays and plays in this
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 1: league and he lights it up, should he be drafted?
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 1: How high's he going to be drafted? Blah blah blah,
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 1: something like that. Right, They ultimately went in the first round,
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 1: but guys like Johnny Manziel and Tim tebow Wright would
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 1: have would have been things for this. So I think
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 1: they should do that. And then that's why you have
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 1: to have the league end before the draft. And there
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 1: is some precedence for this. Uh was it? Uh? Stickers?
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 1: I forget his first name. The corner Quantes Stiggers. Oh yea, yeah,
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 1: who was in the draft last year. Yeah, he didn't
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 1: play college football. He was supposed to play college football
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 1: and the pandemic captain and he had some stuff in
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 1: his personal life and he dropped out and he ended
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 1: up signing with the CFL, and he didn't do really
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 1: much of the offseason program or the pre draft process.
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 1: He was just in the CFL and the Jets drafted him. Yeah, so,
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 1: and I think he actually played like a good amount
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 1: last year, so you could you you there is some
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 1: precedent and there was another corner two a few years
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 1: ago did this who got drafted. I think of the
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 1: the XFL at the time you create, you let college
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 1: guys play in this league to try to up their
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 1: draft stock who maybe need a little bit more of
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 1: the showcase. It's nothing against the Senior Bowl, but Senior
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 1: bowls limited reps, and there's a lot of good players
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 1: there and it's just one game in three days of practice.
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 1: Some guys might need a whole season. You give those
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 1: guys an opportunity to maybe show what they can do
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 1: with a little more room.
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 3: I just think there's a lot of advantages from the
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 3: live rep aspect, especially for offensive lineman. I'll go back there, like,
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 3: if you want to improve the talent of the offensive
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 3: line around the NFL, you're not going to do that
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 3: with guys that are blocking against air or against like
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 3: you know, in these non padded practices and things like that.
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 1: They need live reps.
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 3: They need real reps in games, and you can get
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 3: those in these types of spring leaves. Now the obvious
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 3: question would then be like injury concern, and I think
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 3: to that point, and this happens with rookies that don't
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 3: that are unsigned, You sign a waiver and basically you
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 3: get treated like you're on injured reserve. You get placed
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 3: on injured reserve by your NFL team. The waiver that
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 3: you sign says that you will be compensated like you
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 3: would be if you were on injured preserve during the
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 3: NFL season, And it's basically just an extension of that
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 3: and that way there if you know, I hope not,
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 3: but like if Eft and Chisholm were to go do
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 3: this next year and he were to get seriously hurt,
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 3: hopefully not if that ever happens, but if it did,
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 3: then he would be covered, you know, in terms of compensation,
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 3: so it wouldn't be like out of a job.
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 1: On the same line, and Chishm would have been the
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 1: guy that could have gotten played in the league this
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 1: year and probably would have gotten drafted if he could
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 1: showcase against some professional talent. The guys you taught were
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 1: talking about assigning to this league. Yeah, you need to
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 1: do it if you want a chance to make the team.
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 1: So it's not, well, I don't want to get hurt
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 1: and risk my contract. Right, you don't do it, You're
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 1: probably not gonna have an NFL contract.
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like the couple, you know, a lot of them
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 3: are rookies that I'm thinking of off the top of
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 3: my head.
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 1: But like even like a guy like like.
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 3: Tyres Robinson who we talked about today, got some run
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 3: at at left guard. Like if he had been able
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 3: to play in the Spring League up until this point,
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  Speaker 3: like maybe he would have a like I wouldn't be
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  Speaker 3: dismissing it.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe he would have a real show. So I'll give
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  Speaker 1: you another one. Vaderian Low. The Patriots trade for Vaderian
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  Speaker 1: Low during the twenty twenty three season. He doesn't play
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  Speaker 1: a ton. Then they go back last off. He's saying, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: this guy might be our starting left tackle. You assigned
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  Speaker 1: him to the league, and you would have some sort
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  Speaker 1: of deal with the coach that, hey, you were assigning
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  Speaker 1: him to you as a left tackle. You're going to
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  Speaker 1: play him at left tackle. That's who want him to develop.
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  Speaker 1: And he could have gotten a bunch of left tackle reps.
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  Speaker 1: Chookes a core for same thing. A guy that signed
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  Speaker 1: for not a lot of money. Now would he have
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  Speaker 1: gone through with it, I don't know. But like in theory,
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  Speaker 1: all right, this guy's the right tackle. We need to
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  Speaker 1: make get reps at left right. We're going to assign him,
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  Speaker 1: and you tell the coach in that league like you're
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 1: playing him at left and the league would agree to
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  Speaker 1: it because they're getting these players they wouldn't otherwise get.
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  Speaker 3: So we have to wrap. But I want to last
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  Speaker 3: point on this. I think the other the last frontier
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  Speaker 3: for this, and you mentioned it briefly, if you can
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  Speaker 3: find a way that let's just say it's, uh, you
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  Speaker 3: know how many teams are in the NFL right now?
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  Speaker 1: Eight? I think the rumor is that it might be
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  Speaker 1: nine or ten next year.
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  Speaker 3: So it's a little bit much in terms of this
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  Speaker 3: just in general, if you say, like these two teams
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  Speaker 3: are running like a Shanahan West Coast, and these two
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 3: teams are running like a McDaniel's EP system, like you know,
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 3: old school McDaniels, and then these couple of teams are
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 3: running like the Andy Reid version of the West Coast,
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  Speaker 3: like the West Coast Spread or the West Coast College
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  Speaker 3: and that way there when you start in the same
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 3: thing on defense, like that way there when you started
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  Speaker 3: signing the players, like the Patriots can send their guys
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  Speaker 3: to like the EP team, and then you know, the
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 3: Miami Dolphins can send their guys to the West Coast team.
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  Speaker 3: And then you're running the system and running the scheme
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 3: with the verbiage and all that stuff, like those players
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 3: are that.
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  Speaker 1: Going to be running probably lined I don't know that
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 1: it would be that formalized, but like you're gonna have
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 1: if if the NFL. So there's two ways you go
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 1: about this. I think if I remember correct, in the
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 1: NFL Europe, there was like pre set these NFL teams
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 1: are linked with this europe team. Yeah, so maybe they
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 1: do that. But if you're just choosing where you send players,
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 1: NFL teams and NFL coaches are probably gonna have relationships
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 1: with a lot of these coaches and they're gonna be
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 1: able to say, I want my going to this team
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 1: because I know that he's going to get like the
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 1: coaching that I wanted to get. Yeah. Yeah, so they
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 1: actually it's a good collection of coaches. I'm trying to
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  Speaker 1: pull the list up. I think that we have this
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  Speaker 1: concept NAIL.
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  Speaker 3: We've been talking about this for like five years. We
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 3: have this concept nailed down. So Roger Goodell UFL commissioner,
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 3: if you want us to come, he's the commissioner of
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 3: the league.
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 1: Or is he just like the figurehead of he owns it.
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 1: Oh that's a little different. I feel like that kind
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 1: of makes him the commissioner.
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 3: If you want two people that have thought more about
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 3: this than anybody else. The two of us have this nails, like,
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 3: we know exactly what needs to be done, we know
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 3: exactly how to get there. Maybe we need some suits,
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 3: some lawyers to come in and help us, like figure
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 3: out the injury settlements and all that good stuff. But
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 3: we have this concept nailed so we're available. We will
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 3: come in and we will tell you and we will
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 3: lay you, lay it out for you and tell you
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 3: exactly how this can be done. And to a point
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 3: you made earlier, we are the sickos that on a
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 3: random day in March when the Spring League is going
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 3: on and a Patriot player that was assigned to a team,
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 3: we will we will talk about it, we will write
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 3: about it.
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  Speaker 6: We will.
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  Speaker 1: Like in the draft in it. By the way, they
• 2:01:24
  Speaker 1: don't there is no commissioner. Oh best I can find. Okay, well,
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 1: we're available. The Rock, we are available. I forget he
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 1: has a business partner there. I forget her name, but
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 1: it's it's two people, all right. So that does it
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 1: for this week's show, we'll be back. President is a
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 1: guy named Russ Brandon.
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 3: There, come on, Russ, come on, Dwayne the Rock Johnson,
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  Speaker 3: we are ready to go here next week, we'll be
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 3: back on Wednesday. We'll be back to our normal time
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 3: at noon. No practice that day, so we will be
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 3: back at noon and we will talk about Monday's practice.
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 3: We'll talk about David Andrews' retirements ceremony. We'll touch on
• 2:02:02
  Speaker 3: Mini Camp, which is not next week, but it's the
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 3: following week, and then that's a wrap on the off
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 3: season program, and then we go I'll go on vacation
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 3: for the summer until training camp. So that's a schedule
• 2:02:11
  Speaker 3: for the next couple of weeks. We'll have you covered
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 3: throughout all these OTAs in Mini camp right here on
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 3: Patriots Catch twenty two for Alex Barth.
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