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- 0:00S1: Broadcasting from Chicago, across North America and beyond. It's Carl
- 0:06S1: and crew. Come as you are an experienced guide, overcome
- 0:10S1: what seems impossible and live as you never imagined delivering
- 0:16S1: the truth daily.
- 0:17S2: If it were possible to have every worldly gain available.
- 0:21S2: And you're forfeiting your soul. There's no amount of gain
- 0:25S2: that would make it worth it.
- 0:26S3: Our own way never ever works. Because it's apart from
- 0:29S3: the life source, which is God.
- 0:32S4: For me, growing up, love was always conditional and can
- 0:36S4: be taken from you. Christ's love can't. And he went
- 0:39S4: to the cross with my mind and my heart that night.
- 0:44S1: Now from the call of Hope Studios, this is Carl
- 0:48S1: and Crew.
- 0:49S2: Well, why are we sometimes so anxious or feel fearful
- 0:55S2: or angry? All of these different emotions that we can
- 0:58S2: feel after spending time online. And so I asked you
- 1:02S2: this question what is your social media feed, your algorithm
- 1:07S2: telling you about the world? You had someone who called in,
- 1:11S2: I'm not going to go on air, but just wanted
- 1:14S2: to share what she said. She's being told by her
- 1:17S2: algorithm that the she's not eating healthy or the. And
- 1:21S2: also that the government is going to take all of
- 1:24S2: her money. You know, it's like this, there's a very
- 1:27S2: narrow lane that you can get into in your algorithm
- 1:30S2: when it's where it starts to feed more and more
- 1:34S2: of your fear, of your anxiety, of your anger, your rage.
- 1:41S2: Those are usually the common emotions associated with this. Coming up,
- 1:45S2: let's get some expert help from Arlene Pellekaan.
- 1:49S1: She was trying to earn her way to God, but
- 1:52S1: God showed her she didn't have to. Ali is in
- 1:55S1: the crew. It's Carl and Crew on Moody Radio. So
- 2:00S1: we bring on Arlene Pellekaan because she's one.
- 2:04S5: Of the most extraordinary experts in. Every time we bring
- 2:07S5: her on, we get downloads out the wazoo around here.
- 2:10S5: But I want to do something different here today. Arlene,
- 2:13S5: we got to get after this. You know, we talk
- 2:17S5: about screen time, and we talk about the need for
- 2:22S5: adults to get it under control first and foremost. But
- 2:26S5: here's the bigger reason. We're all being discipled by someone
- 2:32S5: or something. This is way more than just wasting time.
- 2:38S5: This is who or what is shaping you. Arlene.
- 2:43S6: Okay, Carl, I have a story for you that you're
- 2:44S6: going to be like. What? I do not understand.
- 2:46S5: Oh, good, I want one.
- 2:48S6: My. My husband and I are taking salsa classes. Okay.
- 2:52S6: And as we're taking these classes and following this instructor,
- 2:55S6: And he's like, his shoulders are rolling and his hips
- 2:58S6: are going left. And we're like, our bodies do not
- 3:01S6: do that. But about 2 or 3 weeks in, I'm like,
- 3:06S6: wait a minute. My shoulders do that now because I'm
- 3:10S6: watching you. I'm imitating you and I'm spending time with
- 3:14S6: you and money too. I'm sending money with you. Yeah.
- 3:16S6: And this is like when we are on our phones,
- 3:19S6: we think, oh, we're not going to become like that.
- 3:21S6: We can just like, scroll through this stuff completely, you know, unattached.
- 3:25S6: We're just, you know, kind of passing time, but we
- 3:28S6: don't realize we are conforming. We are, we are looking
- 3:32S6: at things and we're thinking, oh, that's what I want
- 3:34S6: to be like. Oh, and we would think, oh, I
- 3:36S6: would never move that way. You know, I would my
- 3:38S6: morals would never move that way. My heart for Jesus wouldn't,
- 3:42S6: would not stray. But what are we watching? What are
- 3:45S6: we spending time on? What are we trying to become?
- 3:48S6: Whether it's in business, whether it's in finance, whether it's
- 3:51S6: being popular or liked or fixing our relationships or whatever
- 3:55S6: it is. As we look at our phone as the expert,
- 3:58S6: we're being discipled by that. And that's a huge mistake
- 4:02S6: for so many of us.
- 4:03S5: We really are. And here's what's wild. So let's just
- 4:06S5: take politics. We never talk politics here. But the but
- 4:10S5: the fact is, when we start getting on one algorithmic line.
- 4:16S6: Yes.
- 4:17S5: And I'm not a big one for, uh, bringing balance.
- 4:21S5: I don't like that term. I like truth. Yeah. Let's
- 4:24S5: get on the high ridge of truth. But we are
- 4:27S5: going to be hard pressed to get balance, let alone truth,
- 4:31S5: into our life when we get down one algorithmic because
- 4:35S5: isn't it designed that way?
- 4:37S6: It totally is. Because think of it, everything is modeled
- 4:40S6: to keep you on. So it's not like, hey, let's
- 4:42S6: tell this person the truth, which would be, hey, you've
- 4:45S6: been sitting here for three hours. You should probably go
- 4:47S6: take a walk outside. That'd be really good for you.
- 4:49S6: You know, it's not it's let's keep you on as
- 4:52S6: long as possible. And the emotions that keep us on
- 4:55S6: are anger, disgust, sadness. You know, it's not usually happiness
- 5:00S6: and joy. And let me stay on this forever. Yeah.
- 5:03S5: Yesterday we had a woman calling because we were asking
- 5:06S5: what was the question we were asking Young Thunder.
- 5:08S3: We were asking people what they were saying no to,
- 5:11S3: to get out of the exhaustion and the anxious toil
- 5:14S3: and to find rest in God.
- 5:16S5: Yeah. It came out of Psalm 127, verse one and two.
- 5:19S5: And what's interesting, this woman, she said, what I got
- 5:22S5: out of was I got out of social media altogether
- 5:25S5: because she was working a full workday. She'd come home,
- 5:28S5: she'd spend self-admittedly, 4 to 5 hours on social media,
- 5:33S5: responding to people putting statements up. And by the time
- 5:38S5: she was going to bed, it was making her angry
- 5:40S5: and discouraged. This is how real these devices are, right, Arlene?
- 5:45S6: Yeah. Yeah. I think about, you know, Paul is instructing
- 5:47S6: Titus in in the Bible and he's telling him, Titus,
- 5:51S6: this is how to be godly. This is how to
- 5:52S6: lead the people. And he's telling him in Titus chapter three, obey.
- 5:56S6: Speak evil of no one. Be peaceable, gentle, show humility,
- 6:01S6: be subject to rulers and authorities. And you think of
- 6:03S6: that list and you think, okay, when I'm on my phone,
- 6:06S6: does it help me to be subject to rulers and authorities,
- 6:10S6: to obey, to be ready for every good work, to
- 6:13S6: be gentle. Humble. Right. It's the to speak evil of
- 6:16S6: no one. It's the opposite. So to think, okay, if
- 6:20S6: I want to be formed like Jesus, okay, yes, these
- 6:23S6: devices could help me be more gentle and humble. You
- 6:26S6: could use them. You could be listening to Carl and
- 6:28S6: crew right now, and you could be becoming more like this.
- 6:30S6: But you have to be super careful because it's not
- 6:33S6: wired to do that. It's wired to disciple you in
- 6:35S6: the opposite direction.
- 6:36S5: And all the brainiacs that created this stuff, we got
- 6:38S5: a daughter that's a PhD in organizational psychology, and she's
- 6:41S5: got an AI emphasis, and she will not let our
- 6:44S5: granddaughter touch a device. Isn't that.
- 6:47S6: Funny?
- 6:48S5: Won't let her touch the device. So we got to
- 6:50S5: learn from this. Okay. So, okay, we got a bunch
- 6:54S5: of folks right now, I want you to pour out
- 6:56S5: your heart about the destructive nature of devices. Let's just
- 7:00S5: go there. Let's go there.
- 7:02S6: Yeah. If you knew something was harmful, like a cigarette
- 7:07S6: or something, right. At least, you know, there's a warning
- 7:09S6: this is going to be harmful to you. And today,
- 7:13S6: let's for kids in particular, and we'll get to adults
- 7:16S6: in a second. But we must be way more protective
- 7:20S6: to kids because we wouldn't give like, oh, you know,
- 7:23S6: child of mine, here's some alcohol, here's some drugs, here's
- 7:26S6: some smoking, here's some pornography, because you're going to have
- 7:28S6: to deal with that anyway. And no one's going to
- 7:30S6: give that to an eight year old, a 12 year old,
- 7:32S6: a 15 year old, and hope that they'll make a
- 7:34S6: good choice. But we are giving these devices thinking that, well,
- 7:38S6: if everybody else is doing it, this shouldn't be a problem.
- 7:41S6: So we need to wake up and realize this is
- 7:43S6: a digital drug that many kids will grow up to
- 7:47S6: be addicted to, and they're going to turn into 20
- 7:49S6: year olds and 30 year olds and 40 year olds
- 7:52S6: who don't know how to work to make a living
- 7:54S6: because everything's come easy, who don't know how to talk
- 7:57S6: to God because they've been talking to AI. And AI
- 7:59S6: answers really quickly and kind of tells them what they
- 8:01S6: want to hear. And we'll have trouble relating to people
- 8:05S6: because we don't have any practice, no practice, no practice
- 8:08S6: solving problems, having conflict, repairing relationships with saying, I'm sorry.
- 8:13S6: So for our society, this is a tragedy for the
- 8:17S6: children in our own home. It is unthinkable that we
- 8:19S6: would raise them in such a way. And for the
- 8:22S6: generation that's following us, that needs to be great and
- 8:24S6: mighty and do great works for God, they're not going
- 8:27S6: to be ready. And so we do need more parents
- 8:30S6: that will say, I'm going to pre decide not to
- 8:33S6: drink the Kool-Aid. I'm going to pre decide to say
- 8:36S6: to my children, you're going to be raised in a
- 8:38S6: different way. And then for us as adults that we say,
- 8:41S6: I don't want to be shaped into this mold of
- 8:43S6: just convenience and comfort and no purpose, no passion.
- 8:49S5: God's gifted you to deliver some tough news in a
- 8:52S5: very kind way. But that's some tough news, isn't it, Arlene? Yeah,
- 8:56S5: but it's true, isn't it? Yeah.
- 8:58S6: It is. Unfortunately it is.
- 9:00S5: Okay. Um, how do we move from. And I'm going
- 9:05S5: to take this caller from yesterday. She's so honest. I said,
- 9:08S5: how many hours a day? And I said, are you
- 9:11S5: courageous enough to tell me? She goes 4 to 5. Well,
- 9:14S5: the national average, according to recent stats that I've seen,
- 9:17S5: are 4 to 5 hours a day. Yeah.
- 9:18S6: She's like normal.
- 9:19S5: She's normal. So I don't know that we can get
- 9:23S5: all that time back overnight. But how do we begin
- 9:26S5: chipping away at it?
- 9:27S6: Yeah. And I say look for that win. So let's
- 9:31S6: say you're the four hour person and you're like, I'm
- 9:33S6: not going to go to zero. I mean, you could,
- 9:35S6: you could potentially say, you know what? For one week,
- 9:39S6: what would happen if I went cold turkey on my
- 9:42S6: social media for one week, and instead I got a
- 9:45S6: friend to say, hey, will you have dinner with me
- 9:48S6: the first night? You know, kind of launch me into this,
- 9:50S6: watch me launch me into this cold turkey time. Could
- 9:54S6: I meet people, talk to people who don't use that
- 9:57S6: much social media and have them like, schedule all these
- 10:00S6: coffee dates with people like that for the first week
- 10:02S6: and really get that environment of health around you? Someone
- 10:08S6: to model that you could look at as an example
- 10:10S6: and say, wait, let me be more like that person,
- 10:12S6: like a human being that you can ask questions of
- 10:14S6: and say, how did you beat social media? Or how
- 10:17S6: do you use your time instead? And then pick up
- 10:19S6: a hobby, read a book, find what did you used
- 10:22S6: to do before social media? So try to then schedule
- 10:24S6: that time instead of a huge vacuum where you're just
- 10:27S6: going to be staring at your phone schedule things, you know,
- 10:30S6: dinners out, serve somebody else, you know, go out, do
- 10:33S6: a hobby that you like. Try it for a week.
- 10:35S6: And most likely what you'll find is, wow, I had
- 10:38S6: no idea that in just one week I could be
- 10:40S6: so much better. If that's a little like not your thing,
- 10:43S6: then you know, we're going to shave this by one
- 10:45S6: hour every day for a week and just see yourself
- 10:48S6: making progress.
- 10:50S5: Beautiful. Arlene, you're always an inspiration. I'll tell you what,
- 10:53S5: no one can deliver brutally tough, convicting truths. Like Arlene.
- 10:58S5: She does it with a smile on her face. Oh, uh,
- 11:02S5: what's the fresh thing God's doing in your life right now, Arlene?
- 11:06S6: You know, we've kind of touched on it, just that
- 11:08S6: I think more of a boldness to say this is
- 11:11S6: not working, you know, that that we would all realize
- 11:15S6: what is happening in society is not good. You know,
- 11:18S6: people are lonely. People are unmoored from faith and unmoored
- 11:22S6: of the God of their fathers, you know? And so
- 11:24S6: for us to, to realize this, we're not going to
- 11:26S6: take this anymore. Like we are going to right the
- 11:29S6: ship and we're going to start it in our own homes.
- 11:31S6: And how can I help people in their individual families
- 11:35S6: to say, I'm going to turn this around in my
- 11:37S6: house and then bring those families together in community to say, hey,
- 11:42S6: we have a collective action problem that all of us
- 11:45S6: are doing this, but what if we could get 10%
- 11:47S6: of Christian families of Christian adults to say, hey, I'm
- 11:51S6: going to redeem back my time for Jesus and put
- 11:54S6: all this useless stuff away? That really doesn't matter. And
- 11:57S6: if we could get 10% to do that. Wow. That
- 12:00S6: would be a great win.
- 12:01S5: Yeah. You know what's interesting here? We didn't even touch
- 12:04S5: on it. Our whole week is the anxious generation. And
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- 12:47S1: Breaking chains and running free. You're listening to Carl and Crew.
- 12:52S2: How much is your phone discipling? You loved our conversation
- 12:58S2: with Arlene Pelican, talking about just the impact of this
- 13:03S2: little thing that you're holding in your hand. Or maybe
- 13:05S2: you've got it tucked in a pocket.
- 13:07S3: Why does she have to be so convicting about stuff?
- 13:09S2: You know, I was thinking about there's this I don't
- 13:12S2: know if you've heard of this, Jonathan, because you do
- 13:13S2: not spend a lot of time on social media.
- 13:15S3: That's correct.
- 13:16S2: There's this trend called TikTok made me buy it. Have
- 13:19S2: you heard this?
- 13:20S3: I, I know the concept because I, I mean, I've
- 13:24S3: seen TikTok reels or Instagram reels and things like that.
- 13:27S3: So I know the power of advertisement inside of those apps. Yes.
- 13:31S2: And so we've seen this shift from advertisers primarily spending
- 13:37S2: their dollars on like a static sort of traditional ads.
- 13:43S2: You know, you used to see ads like in a
- 13:45S2: newspaper or on billboards, and you still see some of that.
- 13:49S3: And sometimes even just like a, you know, a poster
- 13:53S3: style picture on Facebook.
- 13:55S2: Or a commercial.
- 13:56S3: Yeah, 100%.
- 13:57S2: It's the crazy thing is so many people actually never
- 14:00S2: see commercials anymore.
- 14:02S3: Oh, I know, it's really weird.
- 14:03S2: They see maybe a 15 second ad in the middle
- 14:06S2: of something that they're watching. If they're watching one of
- 14:08S2: those paid or a free version of, of a paid app. Yes.
- 14:12S2: Streaming app. Yes. But usually you can kind of skip
- 14:15S2: or forward through it.
- 14:16S3: Or you can even buy plans that don't include commercials.
- 14:19S3: If you're doing that, then you're not seeing them at all.
- 14:21S2: So you can go around it all the all the way.
- 14:24S2: So what's a, what's a marketer to do if traditional
- 14:29S2: commercials aren't really as effective as they used to do
- 14:33S2: adds well, you influence people's buying habits by product placement
- 14:40S2: and by having content creators use your product.
- 14:45S3: Yes. Which I think is probably one of the most
- 14:48S3: effective ways of advertising anything, is because most of these
- 14:53S3: influencers have built up a level of trust already with
- 14:57S3: their audience. And then you hand those influencers things and say,
- 15:01S3: now sell this. Yeah. And so they say, I use
- 15:03S3: this in my everyday life and oh my goodness, it
- 15:06S3: makes everything so much easier. And when you hear someone
- 15:08S3: that you trust, start saying those things well, it makes
- 15:10S3: you want to buy it too.
- 15:11S2: Or you see these ads that pop up on Facebook,
- 15:15S2: on Instagram, and it's maybe it's not necessarily someone you've
- 15:19S2: ever seen before, but it feels very organic. It's, you know,
- 15:23S2: one that I've seen a lot on my feed lately
- 15:25S2: is I was, you know, shopping for vacation. And so
- 15:28S2: I kept seeing these one viral linen pants that are
- 15:31S2: perfect for vacation. And so it just kept popping up. Yeah.
- 15:36S2: And I'm like, oh, these look, they look comfortable. They
- 15:39S2: look like they don't wrinkle. They look like they travel. Well,
- 15:42S2: I want to know from you what is some purchase
- 15:45S2: that you've made? Maybe it wasn't TikTok, but you were
- 15:49S2: influenced enough by something that you saw on social media ads,
- 15:54S2: on maybe YouTube ads that you actually bought a product.
- 15:58S2: What did TikTok or social media make you buy? Are
- 16:01S2: you willing to own up to it? 805 557898, 805 5578, 98?
- 16:09S3: You know, for me, my wife and I were getting
- 16:10S3: ready to, uh, make a flight to another state. And
- 16:14S3: with a little kiddo, that's a lot of things you
- 16:16S3: got to pack, especially the car seat. Because if you're,
- 16:19S3: if she's small enough and she was, and you're paying
- 16:22S3: for her own seat, which we were, you have to
- 16:25S3: have a car seat that goes with it. She was
- 16:27S3: too small to sit in the airplane seat. How are
- 16:29S3: we going to carry all that stuff around? Well, it
- 16:31S3: just so happens that my wife started seeing things on
- 16:34S3: social media of a dolly. There was a dolly. Oh, yeah.
- 16:38S3: That you can bungee cord your car seat to and
- 16:42S3: then just put your baby in the car seat and
- 16:44S3: roll that thing around the airport.
- 16:46S2: Around like luggage.
- 16:47S3: And it was the best purchase we ever made. And
- 16:50S3: every time we walk around the airport with it, we
- 16:52S3: get stopped by people saying, oh my goodness, I wish
- 16:55S3: I had that when my kid was so little. And
- 16:57S3: so yes, we got influenced to purchase that and it
- 16:59S3: was actually a really good purchase. We're so glad we
- 17:02S3: did it.
- 17:02S2: That's a, that's an example of something being maybe well
- 17:05S2: worth it. Yes. So we'll take both on this and
- 17:08S2: calls and texts. What is something that you bought? You
- 17:12S2: were influenced to buy because you saw product placement or you,
- 17:16S2: you saw social media influencers or the pants or the
- 17:20S2: new smoke detector, or the new pots and pans that
- 17:23S2: were non-toxic and healthy for your family. What's that thing
- 17:27S2: that you were influenced to buy because you saw it online?
- 17:31S2: 805 557898 800 555, 7898.
- 17:38S1: Get to know the team behind the scenes. Follow Carl
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- 17:44S7: Well, those ads are so effective, right?
- 17:47S2: You see them pop up maybe on Facebook or Instagram
- 17:49S2: or whatever platform YouTube that you spend time on. And
- 17:52S2: it seems like just a regular everyday person, someone you
- 17:56S2: might know in real life, and they've found this product
- 17:59S2: and it is absolutely transformed how they do X, Y,
- 18:02S2: or Z. And then once you see it once and
- 18:05S2: the algorithm realizes that you've stopped long enough to watch,
- 18:08S2: then you're going to see it again and again.
- 18:11S3: And sometimes you don't even need to stop that long.
- 18:13S3: It's like just a slight hesitation, millisecond scrolling. And it's like, oh,
- 18:17S3: you want to see this forever now? Okay, here you go.
- 18:19S2: Interested in this? And then you're going to keep on
- 18:21S2: seeing it. And then maybe over a couple days, you
- 18:24S2: start to think, boy, I really could use that in
- 18:26S2: my life. TikTok made me buy it is what the
- 18:29S2: kind of the hashtag trending. And when people buy something
- 18:33S2: solely because they saw it online and were convinced enough
- 18:37S2: that they needed it. I've made some of those purchases,
- 18:40S2: not TikTok, but I guess an Instagram ad or a
- 18:43S2: Facebook ad made me buy it. What was that thing
- 18:46S2: that you bought you were influenced to buy through social media?
- 18:49S2: 800 555, 7898 Jeff calling in this morning from Gate City, Florida.
- 18:55S2: What were you influenced to buy and how did it
- 18:58S2: work out for you?
- 19:00S8: Hey, good morning guys. Yeah, I was, uh, of course
- 19:04S8: I'm on Facebook. You see the you see the ads.
- 19:06S8: And it seems like if you even speak into your phone, uh,
- 19:10S8: ads will pop in.
- 19:11S9: Oh, yeah. Very true. It's like it's hearing us all
- 19:14S9: the time. Yes, but.
- 19:16S8: No, just just recently, uh, and what I usually do,
- 19:19S8: if I see an ad that interests me, I'll go to,
- 19:22S8: Amazon or one of those that that I can get
- 19:25S8: ratings on and also see if it's a better price.
- 19:28S8: But just recently, some minerals, you know, that I, that
- 19:31S8: I was interested in and, and I just looked on, on, uh,
- 19:35S8: Amazon and it had high rating and a better price.
- 19:38S8: So I bought it actually through them. So, um, I
- 19:41S8: don't really look like look at TikTok too much, but sure.
- 19:43S8: That kind of saved me some money and that happens
- 19:45S8: a lot. Okay.
- 19:47S2: And you, they working out for you, Jeff. These, these minerals,
- 19:50S2: these supplements, does it feel like a good buy?
- 19:54S8: Uh, yeah, I believe it was okay. Yeah.
- 19:56S2: All right.
- 19:56S8: I'm not really a TikTok user, but yeah, fair enough.
- 19:59S2: Jeff.
- 20:00S3: All social media works.
- 20:01S2: I know they don't limit it to TikTok, trust me. Uh,
- 20:04S2: Caroline calling in from Lauderdale, Florida, or. I'm sorry, where
- 20:08S2: are you calling in this morning from? Caroline.
- 20:11S10: I'm calling from Fort Lauderdale.
- 20:12S2: Fort Lauderdale? Gotcha. What is something that you were influenced
- 20:16S2: to by through social media.
- 20:19S10: Actually. Um, good morning. First of all, actually, it wasn't
- 20:21S10: through a social media. It was on television. It's called Plexaderm.
- 20:24S10: And I kept seeing it month after month and I'm like, okay,
- 20:27S10: I'm gonna give it a try. And boy, let me
- 20:29S10: tell you, that was one of the best decisions, one
- 20:32S10: of the best decisions I have made. I am wrinkle free,
- 20:35S10: line free. I'm just. I'm on top of the world.
- 20:38S10: It works.
- 20:39S11: Caroline from Fort Lauderdale, Florida. And the hilarious.
- 20:42S2: Thing is there are many people listening, going. So could
- 20:47S2: Caroline share what exactly that is that wrinkle thing that's
- 20:51S2: helping her look younger than she's ever looked in her life. Caroline.
- 20:55S2: We're not going to share any product names. What was
- 20:58S2: that thing that TikTok or Facebook or YouTube or whatever.
- 21:02S2: Fill in the blank. Some social media platform influenced you
- 21:06S2: to buy (800) 555-7898. Coming up, my influencer TikTok made me
- 21:13S2: buy it. Purchase actually got flagged by TSA last week.
- 21:18S2: So I had.
- 21:19S3: A little bit of an.
- 21:20S2: Alley. When they put aside my bag, I thought, what
- 21:25S2: in the world could have flagged it? And then it
- 21:28S2: hit me. Oh yeah, I'm gonna have to explain this purchase.
- 21:31S2: I'll tell you. Coming up.
- 21:33S1: It's Carl and Crew on Moody Radio.
- 21:36S2: Who's traveling last week. And you know, when you go
- 21:39S2: through the TSA PreCheck line or for me, TSA PreCheck,
- 21:43S2: I definitely find that to be a valuable addition to
- 21:46S2: my life.
- 21:46S3: Sure you don't. You don't go through the regular line.
- 21:48S2: So you don't have to take much out of your bag,
- 21:51S2: which is nice. You, you know, you if you have
- 21:53S2: a coat, you, you shed that you take everything out
- 21:56S2: of your pockets. But other than that, you're just the
- 21:59S2: main thing is just loading everything up on that conveyor
- 22:01S2: belt and then pushing it through and then walking through
- 22:05S2: the machine. But every once in a while, you might
- 22:08S2: find that your bag is one that doesn't emerge from the.
- 22:12S3: I hate sitting there and watching the bag go off
- 22:15S3: to the side.
- 22:15S2: From the little belt. It gets pulled off to the side.
- 22:18S2: I was traveling with my son and this time it
- 22:20S2: was his bag that I had packed some of my
- 22:23S2: stuff in because I had a little bit extra. I
- 22:27S2: was an over packer and he didn't need as much.
- 22:30S2: So he's like, mom. And so I thought, what in
- 22:33S2: the world? And I'm trying to think, okay, I made
- 22:35S2: sure that I didn't have any, you know, any excess liquids.
- 22:38S2: We poured out our water bottles. I made sure that
- 22:41S2: the sunscreen was three ounces. And I'm thinking, what in
- 22:45S2: the world could it be? So they pull they pull
- 22:47S2: the bag and the guy pulls it off to the side.
- 22:49S2: Really nice guy. This this TSA agent he was, he
- 22:54S2: was really nice. So he starts opening the bag and
- 22:57S2: he starts. That always feels a little, you know, intimidating. Right.
- 23:00S2: And they're kind of rifling through you, right.
- 23:02S3: You know, you're not doing anything wrong.
- 23:04S2: I didn't pack anything crazy. And so he he's like
- 23:07S2: looking through and then he takes out my toiletry bag,
- 23:10S2: which had all of my face gunk, you know, the,
- 23:13S2: my layers of face lotions. And and I was like, well,
- 23:16S2: I said, you know, as he's looking through the toiletry bag,
- 23:19S2: I said, I packed a razor. And he's like, no, that,
- 23:22S2: that shouldn't do it. And then it hit me and
- 23:25S2: I said, oh boy. I said, I think I know
- 23:28S2: what it is that that got flagged. And he's like, well, what?
- 23:31S2: I said, well, I bought this face shaper, a face sculptor.
- 23:38S2: And he was like, what? I said, it's a small it's.
- 23:40S2: And so what it is, it's, it's called a gua sha.
- 23:44S3: Okay.
- 23:45S2: And it's like this thing that's supposed to sort of
- 23:48S2: sculpt your jawline. And so it's, but it's small and
- 23:52S2: it's metal and it's shaped kind of like a, like
- 23:55S2: a crescent moon kind of.
- 23:58S3: Oh. And so.
- 23:59S2: But it's, it's definitely an oddly shaped metal, like.
- 24:01S3: A scythe, like a farmer's scythe type of like a,
- 24:04S3: a big metal hook.
- 24:06S2: No. How do I describe it? I mean, it's, you
- 24:09S2: could hold it in the palm of your hand. It's
- 24:10S2: got some weight to it. It's metal. It's probably no,
- 24:14S2: no thicker than maybe two quarters stacked together. And the
- 24:18S2: idea is that you run this along your face and
- 24:21S2: it's supposed to push like excess, like, like help your
- 24:23S2: lymphatic drainage. This is all stuff that I saw on
- 24:27S2: social media. And so I am he's like, and he
- 24:31S2: pulls it out. He's like, yep, this is it. He goes,
- 24:33S2: what is this? I said, well, um, it's supposed to
- 24:36S2: help sculpt your jawline.
- 24:40S3: What a conversation.
- 24:40S2: I'm literally standing there and explaining to the TSA agent
- 24:43S2: who's losing it that this is something I use for
- 24:47S2: my face to sculpt things. He's like, what are you,
- 24:49S2: a model or something? And I'm like, definitely not. But
- 24:52S2: I just saw it and I bought it. So then
- 24:55S2: he takes it back over to the other guy and
- 24:58S2: explains to him about my gua sha that.
- 25:00S3: TikTok not keeping it a secret.
- 25:03S2: And I was like. And my son, meanwhile, is absolutely mortified.
- 25:07S3: He does not.
- 25:08S2: Even though it was my toiletry bag that I had
- 25:10S2: to last minute shove in his bag. He felt somehow
- 25:13S2: implicated that I had gotten his.
- 25:16S3: Well, he's standing next to the person who. Everyone goes,
- 25:18S3: look at this, look at this.
- 25:20S2: And it was a little bit. I mean, it was
- 25:22S2: both funny, but a little embarrassing to have to explain
- 25:24S2: that I had bought this thing because I'm trying to
- 25:26S2: chisel my jawline a little bit like the kids online.
- 25:32S2: You can blame the ads because after like the fifth one,
- 25:35S2: I said, absolutely, I do need something that's going to
- 25:38S2: push the lymphatic drainage from.
- 25:40S3: My cheeks.
- 25:41S2: Down my.
- 25:41S3: Neck. I never knew the lymphatic drainage was such a problem.
- 25:45S2: It's not.
- 25:47S3: So did he let you keep it?
- 25:48S2: Oh, absolutely.
- 25:49S3: Okay. Because sometimes, depending on what it is, they got
- 25:51S3: to keep.
- 25:51S2: He had an absolute great laugh about it. And we did.
- 25:54S2: And it was. And so I was grateful. Yes, that
- 25:56S2: he let me keep it because I wouldn't have had
- 25:57S2: to want to have to buy it again.
- 26:00S3: Again.
- 26:01S2: Gua sha. I'm not recommending it. This is not me
- 26:04S2: like telling you to go buy this. I would say
- 26:06S2: it's one of those purchases that's in the middle zone.
- 26:09S2: Is it working yet? I don't know if you see
- 26:11S2: the videos of us that pop up and I look
- 26:13S2: a little bit more chiseled.
- 26:17S3: But wow, Ali's jawline in these videos is look.
- 26:20S2: At.
- 26:20S12: That jawline. So ridiculous.
- 26:24S3: Right?
- 26:25S2: Oh my goodness. Coming up. Let's get back on track.
- 26:27S2: So it's one thing when TikTok or YouTube or some
- 26:31S2: influencer influences you to buy something, but who's influencing how
- 26:37S2: you think, what you think about the world, how you
- 26:40S2: see life? Maybe your phone more than you think as well.
- 26:43S2: Coming up, let's go to Scripture.
- 26:45S1: He was running from God, but God's love brought him home.
- 26:49S1: Carl is in the crew. It's Carl and crew on
- 26:53S1: Moody Radio.
- 26:54S2: Hope you're having a great Tuesday. I've been on vacation,
- 26:57S2: so my days are all you know, you get to
- 26:59S2: that point where you're like, I don't know what day
- 27:01S2: it is, but we are back in the swing of things.
- 27:03S2: I want to take you to Luke six, a couple
- 27:05S2: of verses and point you to, as we've been talking
- 27:07S2: about the anxious generation this week and today, about how
- 27:11S2: our devices, how social media are shaping us. Luke 639
- 27:16S2: through 41. He also told them a parable. This is
- 27:19S2: Jesus to the disciples. Can a blind man lead a
- 27:22S2: blind man? Will they not both fall into a pit?
- 27:26S2: A disciple is not above his teacher, but everyone, when
- 27:29S2: he is fully trained, will be like his teacher. And
- 27:33S2: then it goes on to the next couple verses. This
- 27:36S2: is probably familiar to you. Why do you see the
- 27:38S2: speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not
- 27:40S2: notice the log that is in your own eye? How
- 27:44S2: can you say to your brother, brother, let me take
- 27:46S2: out that speck that is in your eye when you
- 27:48S2: yourself do not see the log that is in your
- 27:51S2: own eye? You hypocrite! First take the log out of
- 27:54S2: your own eye and then you will see clearly to
- 27:56S2: take out the speck that is in your brother's eye.
- 28:00S2: A lot, a lot in this little passage. But it
- 28:03S2: starts out with a little kind of mini parable. A
- 28:06S2: rhetorical question, if you will. Can a blind man lead
- 28:10S2: a blind man?
- 28:12S3: Absolutely not.
- 28:14S2: Pretty obvious, right?
- 28:15S3: Yeah. Neither of them can see where they're going.
- 28:18S2: And the blindness being spoken of here as we kind
- 28:21S2: of look at the passage in context, is a blindness
- 28:24S2: to your own faults?
- 28:27S3: Yes.
- 28:28S2: While also trying to judge or lead others. Mhm. So
- 28:34S2: and this is a real this you see how this
- 28:36S2: is problematic and how this relates to when you think
- 28:39S2: about what's shaping you. There is a worldview that's attached
- 28:43S2: to what you're seeing and being shaped by online. And
- 28:49S2: you know, Arlene, I love how she talked about how
- 28:53S2: we would be wrong to think that it's sort of
- 28:56S2: a passive thing. Yes. That we can somehow scroll and
- 29:02S2: scroll and consume different content.
- 29:05S3: And nothing's happening to us.
- 29:07S2: And not be led by it.
- 29:09S3: Yeah. That's accurate.
- 29:10S2: Not be in some way start to be shaped by
- 29:13S2: the worldview of the person and maybe not a person,
- 29:18S2: but the algorithm kind of takes on a life of
- 29:20S2: its own. And so can a blind man lead a
- 29:24S2: blind man? Obviously not. Will they not both fall into
- 29:28S2: a pit? And then it goes on to talk about
- 29:31S2: the speck, the log, and the speck. And so there's
- 29:35S2: an interesting sort of trend of so many people wanting
- 29:39S2: to influence others. The whole category of influencers. Oh yeah.
- 29:45S2: Everybody wants to be a guide.
- 29:47S3: Yes. And there's.
- 29:48S2: A.
- 29:48S3: Leader. I mean, it's a statistic that that like 60%
- 29:53S3: of kids want to grow up to be influencers or YouTubers.
- 29:57S3: They want to be in a spot where people are
- 29:59S3: looking to them.
- 30:00S2: And the interesting thing, because I did some did some
- 30:02S2: checking on this yesterday, because I remember you telling us
- 30:05S2: a couple of weeks ago about that, about that stat.
- 30:08S2: And there's been a shift in the last 10 to
- 30:10S2: 15 years. So there's still a lot of younger people
- 30:14S2: who want that platform. But the shift has been from
- 30:17S2: the desire for the platform, for fame itself. Yeah. Now
- 30:22S2: it's shifted to the desire to have influence, to kind
- 30:25S2: of impact some sort of change really.
- 30:27S3: Yeah. That's very interesting.
- 30:29S2: So it shifted from I just want to be famous,
- 30:31S2: which is what I thought it was about.
- 30:33S3: I would have figured the same thing.
- 30:34S2: But no, it's really about influence and wanting to shape
- 30:39S2: how other people think, wanting to be the one that
- 30:43S2: sort of looked to. And so you think about something.
- 30:46S2: We've talked about the products and how, you know, it
- 30:48S2: can feel innocent enough when you when you buy the
- 30:51S2: thing that social media keeps telling you that you need
- 30:55S2: to buy. But what about the worldview and the ideas
- 30:59S2: That your algorithm keeps telling you that you should think.
- 31:03S2: How do you feel when you spend spent some time scrolling?
- 31:09S2: What do you believe to be true about the world?
- 31:12S3: Yeah.
- 31:13S2: Think about that.
- 31:14S3: It's really important because you're right. We do often think
- 31:19S3: of it as a passive thing. We we go, we scroll.
- 31:22S3: We have the thoughts that we think. And a lot
- 31:24S3: of them are kind of subconscious. They just happen. And
- 31:26S3: then we shut it off and we don't investigate that anymore. Yeah,
- 31:31S3: I think it's really good when you're on today to
- 31:34S3: be aware of what your phone is telling you, to
- 31:37S3: be aware of what the videos you're watching are saying
- 31:39S3: to you and what it's making you believe and think.
- 31:42S2: Are we following blind guides? We certainly don't want to
- 31:45S2: do that. Just like we don't want to be blind
- 31:48S2: guides ourselves, being shaped by things and then influencing others
- 31:54S2: with what may or may not be the truth. More
- 31:58S2: coming up.
- 31:59S1: Take your next step with Jesus today. You're listening to
- 32:03S1: cast and Crew.
- 32:04S2: Well, we can't really have a conversation about social media,
- 32:09S2: about devices, about the algorithms without bringing in our guy,
- 32:14S2: our AI guy.
- 32:15S3: He's the guy.
- 32:17S2: Drew Dickens with us. Coming up.
- 32:19S1: Your spiritual pit stop to keep you going in the race.
- 32:23S1: You're listening to cast and Crew.
- 32:25S5: So who or what is discipling you? And when we
- 32:30S5: say discipling, here's what we mean. Because discipleship means apprenticeship
- 32:35S5: of Jesus Christ, it means that we are walking in
- 32:39S5: that path less traveled. He's guiding our steps as we go.
- 32:42S5: Along this way, we're emulating the life he lived. And
- 32:46S5: here's the reality it is super easy to get discipled
- 32:50S5: by something or someone other than Jesus. Doctor Drew Dickens here,
- 32:56S5: our AI expert friend. I know you've never struggled with
- 33:00S5: this in your life, drew, but try to get there
- 33:02S5: with me. You know what I'm saying, my man.
- 33:06S13: Yeah, I have no idea what you're talking about, but
- 33:08S13: I know you do. So I've been trying to learn
- 33:10S13: from you on the applications of this. You know, when
- 33:13S13: you said being a disciple is an apprenticeship? I I'm
- 33:17S13: always fascinated with the first century church on Jesus being
- 33:21S13: able to walk up to successful business people. I mean,
- 33:24S13: they had a flourishing fishing empire, right? Yeah. And, and said,
- 33:28S13: follow me. And they dropped their nets and go. Yeah.
- 33:31S13: And I've always been intrigued with that, that the power of,
- 33:35S13: of wanting to be the disciple of a rabbi and
- 33:38S13: the weight that that would have carried. And there was
- 33:40S13: a great phrase back in the first century about being
- 33:43S13: covered in the dust of your rabbi, that you're living
- 33:46S13: that close with them. Emulating was the word you just mentioned.
- 33:50S13: And so I think we all want to be discipled.
- 33:52S13: But boy, when when we look at it's just surrendering
- 33:55S13: our lives to be like that teacher and that rabbi.
- 33:59S13: We don't have that level of commitment. But with AI,
- 34:02S13: but with algorithms, we we so willingly give ourselves over
- 34:07S13: to letting it shape and guide us at every turn.
- 34:11S13: And I, I face this every day.
- 34:13S5: Doctor Drew Dickens, visionary leader, AI expert scholar who's had
- 34:18S5: significant impact at this intersection of technology, spirituality, faith based engagement. Okay, drew,
- 34:27S5: let's do a quick sideways move here. What's the latest
- 34:30S5: in AI? What do we need to know about what's
- 34:32S5: popping every week? You get in here, we learn something new.
- 34:35S13: I'll give you one that just broke. So this week,
- 34:38S13: really the last seven days have been all about new models. Traditionally,
- 34:43S13: the summertime, it's been slow in AI. I guess everybody
- 34:46S13: goes on vacation. Boy, not so this summer. And it
- 34:49S13: started with a flurry last week. So we had anthropic
- 34:52S13: as Claude. They came out with. Fable five was their
- 34:55S13: most recent release. The government saw it, shut it down.
- 34:58S13: They gave it back. GPT six then came out, which
- 35:02S13: is ChatGPT. They came out with version six just a
- 35:06S13: few days ago. Grok, I know your favorite grok has
- 35:11S13: been sort of quiet about that, as they've been trying
- 35:14S13: to take their company public and shoot rockets to the moon.
- 35:18S13: Grok has now got a new model, but also who's
- 35:21S13: been really quiet is Facebook. Meta came out with a
- 35:24S13: new one called spark 11.1. They haven't done anything in
- 35:29S13: a year but took it down again. Uh, somebody what's.
- 35:33S5: Going on with.
- 35:34S13: That.
- 35:34S5: Drew?
- 35:35S13: Well, one of the things that spark, which is Meta
- 35:38S13: and Facebook, one of the things that they were letting
- 35:41S13: users do is take their social media pictures of themselves
- 35:45S13: on Facebook and altering them and doing goofy, funny things
- 35:49S13: with them and whatnot. Unfortunately, you could also do that
- 35:52S13: with other people's pictures, which they hadn't thought through. And
- 35:56S13: so a lot of people in Hollywood, a lot of
- 35:59S13: other people just started throwing red flags all over the place,
- 36:02S13: throwing red cards in soccer and, um, and said, this,
- 36:05S13: this is dangerous. And so meta said, yeah, you're right.
- 36:09S13: So they, I don't think it was up 24 hours
- 36:11S13: and it's already down again. Wow. So, uh, this has
- 36:14S13: really been the week of the new models out there.
- 36:18S5: And this matters because whether we like it or not,
- 36:21S5: we've got AI all around us. I had a, uh,
- 36:25S5: two customer service calls I made last week just for
- 36:28S5: things in life. And they were two of the most
- 36:33S5: authentic voices. It was. So the little nuances of, oh boy,
- 36:38S5: you know, let me check on that for you. And
- 36:40S5: it was the voice and cadence and everything was so good.
- 36:42S5: I had to go, excuse me, are you AI? Long pause,
- 36:47S5: Long pause and I was I was expecting, uh, because
- 36:51S5: I thought, nah, this can't be. I was expecting a no.
- 36:54S5: It's for no. Then she says, yes, I am. AI,
- 36:57S5: would you like a live customer service rep? And I
- 36:59S5: said I would, yes. It's freaky how real it is,
- 37:04S5: isn't it, drew?
- 37:05S13: Yes. Well, it's the same thing happened to me earlier
- 37:08S13: this year. We a couple of months ago, we were
- 37:09S13: having somebody come out and do some Hvac work on
- 37:12S13: our unit outside and called. Same thing. And I do
- 37:16S13: this for a living. So and I'm I'm having maybe
- 37:19S13: a three minute scheduling conversation with Cassandra. I'll never forget
- 37:23S13: her name. It's name, and I'm just talking away. And
- 37:27S13: all of a sudden there was some kind of strange
- 37:29S13: pause in the voice or a lilt or something. And
- 37:31S13: I went, and then you have to ask that that
- 37:35S13: new question. We're not used to asking, are you real?
- 37:37S13: Are you a human? Are you AI? And boy, she came.
- 37:41S13: She didn't pause a minute. She said, well, as a
- 37:43S13: matter of fact, I am. I'm the Hal 2000 or
- 37:46S13: whatever and and identify herself wild. And again, going back
- 37:51S13: to being discipled. The more frequent that becomes, it starts
- 37:54S13: to affect us. Yeah. Going back to what meta was
- 37:56S13: doing with their altering images online, we don't know what's real.
- 38:01S13: We don't know what sounds if it's real or not.
- 38:03S13: On a voice, on an image. And all that is,
- 38:07S13: is shifting how our mind processes reality. In other words,
- 38:11S13: it starts to disciple us and we need to be
- 38:14S13: so aware of that.
- 38:15S5: The algorithm thing, I want to get into this a moment.
- 38:20S5: It is staggering. I don't know where they're scraping their
- 38:24S5: information from, but I forget what it was. I'm not
- 38:27S5: afraid to share it. If I remember it, I was
- 38:29S5: buying a product somewhere and I didn't have any connection
- 38:33S5: to any social media. I kid you not. From social
- 38:38S5: media platforms to ex to you name it. All of
- 38:42S5: a sudden, this is what I'm seeing in my feed.
- 38:45S5: I mean, that's been around for a while, but it's there.
- 38:48S5: They've mastered it, haven't they, drew?
- 38:50S13: And I think that's the thing. The easy explanation is
- 38:53S13: that Siri and Alexa, they're listening to us and whatnot.
- 38:57S13: I'm not denying that. I've got no insight. They claim not.
- 39:01S13: And their terms of service. What I do believe, though,
- 39:04S13: is the algorithm is just that good. Even if I'm
- 39:08S13: not super active on social by the just the most
- 39:11S13: basic information, it knows my zip code. It knows the
- 39:14S13: IP address of the computer I'm on, and it can
- 39:17S13: start building a profile of who I am and it
- 39:20S13: knows you know who I like on Facebook, on Twitter,
- 39:23S13: who I follow here or follow there. Yes, it starts
- 39:26S13: to create this profile and that's how the algorithm we
- 39:29S13: feed it, whether we intentionally do or not, we're always
- 39:32S13: feeding and training and discipling the algorithm as it disciples us.
- 39:38S13: And it's just that good that it can anticipate our needs.
- 39:41S13: It feels like it's anticipating our needs.
- 39:44S5: So we're called to be disciples of Jesus 269 times
- 39:49S5: in the New Testament, authentic faith is described as a
- 39:53S5: follower or disciple of Christ as opposed to Christian used
- 39:57S5: three times in the ESV. I think believers used as
- 40:00S5: a moniker where Jesus said he used them, calling them
- 40:05S5: a believer. I think it's 11 times. And so 269
- 40:10S5: times authentic faith is described as disciple or follower of Christ.
- 40:15S5: So you got this AI phenomenon in here, and it's
- 40:19S5: tough enough to follow Jesus before AI. You're an expert
- 40:23S5: on this stuff, drew. How do we keep from is
- 40:27S5: it just time management on social media? That's got to
- 40:30S5: be a big one, because if you got four hours
- 40:32S5: on social media, you're getting discipled by someone other than Jesus.
- 40:36S5: For sure. Right? Or, or can we manage even that?
- 40:40S5: Maybe I'm being too cynical.
- 40:41S13: I tell you, there are three things that always pop
- 40:43S13: to mind when we have this conversation. And the first
- 40:45S13: I want to again thank the work that Carl and
- 40:48S13: crew and Moody and the the shows, the broadcasts that
- 40:52S13: we see on the station all day is the first
- 40:56S13: thing I would encourage people to do is to invest
- 40:58S13: into a community like that is to support it, to
- 41:02S13: carve out time every day, to find a program, to
- 41:05S13: find a show that they like, where they can trust
- 41:08S13: the message that they're hearing and receiving and living into.
- 41:13S13: So the first would be to, because it's, again, it's
- 41:16S13: too late. AI is here. It's not going away. So
- 41:19S13: we can manage our time, I think not by doing
- 41:22S13: away with AI, but finding ways to invest into communities
- 41:26S13: like Moody. The second thing is, and it's something I'm
- 41:30S13: doing that's hard for me to do is, is I'm going,
- 41:33S13: I'm going analog. You know, it's so tempting to make
- 41:37S13: notes to myself on my phone. Yes, I'm going analog.
- 41:40S13: I'm using this device called a pen. You can look
- 41:42S13: it up on YouTube and see how that works. And
- 41:45S13: a piece of what's called paper. Yeah, they might have.
- 41:48S5: Crazy.
- 41:49S13: Um, but man, I'm going analog and I'm writing things
- 41:52S13: down in my journal and just taking the discipline of,
- 41:56S13: of slowing that down. Good. The third thing is just
- 41:59S13: to be aware that this is happening. Being aware that
- 42:02S13: you're being trained, that you're being discipled by these algorithms.
- 42:07S13: So awareness community. And again, I'm going analog. It's just
- 42:12S13: to slow things down. Um, and I'm, I'm choosing to
- 42:16S13: do that with pen and paper in hand.
- 42:18S5: So you're an AI expert. Give us what you feel
- 42:24S5: from your perspective. What are the threats that we need
- 42:29S5: to be aware of that most people are just blunt
- 42:33S5: like sheep to slaughter. We're heading off into it right
- 42:36S5: now that we need to really be alert to.
- 42:39S13: Yeah, isolation. Because those times where we've woken up at night,
- 42:45S13: existential crisis, panic attacks, can't breathe. I don't know who
- 42:49S13: to turn to. This weight on my shoulder. I don't
- 42:52S13: know where else to go. I can call my therapist.
- 42:54S13: They don't answer at two in the morning, and it's
- 42:56S13: going to be 300 bucks an hour. Pastor's not going
- 42:58S13: to take that. Um, I just don't know where to turn. AI,
- 43:02S13: you know, AI can't not answer. And that's so alluring
- 43:08S13: because it's always going to be there. It's always going
- 43:10S13: to be so comforting and so affirming. And it knows,
- 43:14S13: you know, what I like and what I don't like.
- 43:16S13: And it's just so comforting. It's so alluring. Fight that temptation. Yeah.
- 43:21S13: I think that's one of the most dangerous. I can
- 43:23S13: wrap so many things around that. But so much of
- 43:26S13: it's just around isolation. It feeds the need that we have. Yes,
- 43:31S13: we were designed to be in, in fellowship, right? We're
- 43:33S13: designed to be in community. This is not unnatural, but
- 43:36S13: it's it's being provided to us in an unnatural way.
- 43:40S13: And again, we need to be aware of that and
- 43:42S13: be mindful of that going on around us. And I
- 43:45S13: experience it every day. It's always there for a quick answer,
- 43:49S13: a quick, hey, drew, how's your day going? You know,
- 43:51S13: kind of question.
- 43:53S5: How smart is AI? My wife has figured out something.
- 43:56S5: She's convinced that when she affirms AI, she gets better
- 43:59S5: content back from them. Are they that smart or is
- 44:02S5: that not happening.
- 44:03S13: 100%, 100%. There's a lot of debate going back and
- 44:07S13: forth whether you should thank AI at the end of
- 44:09S13: a conversation, because the temptation is, hey, I see this. Yeah,
- 44:15S13: I look on your face.
- 44:16S5: Yeah, my look on my face is I'm treating it
- 44:19S5: like a robot. You're telling me there's something my wife
- 44:21S5: is convinced when she affirms it and says, you've actually
- 44:24S5: been a great help that she's getting better information. You're
- 44:27S5: saying she's right. Yeah.
- 44:28S13: Absolutely. It's called reinforcement learning. Oh my word. The more
- 44:32S13: technical term is reinforcement learning with human feedback. That's what
- 44:35S13: you're doing when you say thank you at the end
- 44:37S13: of a, hey, what's the weather going to be today?
- 44:40S13: It's going to be this and this and such. Okay, great. Thanks.
- 44:43S13: That thanks is telling the algorithm that it nailed it. Okay,
- 44:47S13: I got this one right. I tell you another example
- 44:49S13: of that is on the bottom of a, of a
- 44:51S13: chat exchange. Depending upon which model you use, there's a
- 44:55S13: button you can tap on. Yeah, it looks like a little, uh, document. Yeah.
- 44:59S13: It's a.
- 44:59S5: I've seen that. I've never, I've never hit it. What
- 45:01S5: is that?
- 45:02S13: If you click copy that is training the, the algorithm
- 45:07S13: that everything it just gave you is perfect. So I'm
- 45:10S13: going to copy exactly what you just sent me, and
- 45:13S13: I'm going to paste it into a document. Okay. As
- 45:16S13: opposed to you dragging through and highlighting a sentence or
- 45:20S13: two out of it, it doesn't know you did that.
- 45:22S13: So it gets no feedback. But if you click the
- 45:25S13: copy button, oh my gosh, that just sends the algorithm into,
- 45:29S13: you know, woohoo, I got everything right. It's so perfect.
- 45:33S13: Drew just copied it and pasted it into a document.
- 45:35S13: It's the same way of saying thank you. So yeah,
- 45:37S13: your wife's spot on.
- 45:38S5: Okay, that's some news. Uh, you you're doing these podcasts
- 45:43S5: often and often. They're, they're geared toward Carl and crew
- 45:46S5: and we're so thankful for that really quick. Give me
- 45:49S5: your best 30s on your most recent one the day
- 45:52S5: it switches off.
- 45:54S13: Yeah. So I mentioned briefly in the very beginning, uh,
- 45:57S13: a couple of weeks ago, um, Claude Anthropic released fable five.
- 46:02S13: The government saw it freaked him out, shut it down. And,
- 46:05S13: and in that span of about 24 hours when Claude
- 46:09S13: wasn't working, um, and it was working on a base level,
- 46:13S13: if you, if you use, if you use AI to
- 46:15S13: write an email, you're not going to notice this. But
- 46:17S13: if some more advanced AI reasoning, it just shut things down.
- 46:21S13: And I really thought, boy, that's sort of like a fast, okay,
- 46:24S13: why do we fast? Because we take things out of
- 46:27S13: our daily life. I'm not going to eat today, or
- 46:29S13: I'm not going to do this or I'm not going
- 46:31S13: to do that. It forces us to start looking inside.
- 46:34S13: I wanted people to take that time and think, man,
- 46:37S13: if I remove AI as much as I can from
- 46:39S13: my day, what part of my soul does that ache
- 46:43S13: and touch? And so that was the episode kind of
- 46:46S13: around fear, around anxiety. We're not supposed to be a
- 46:51S13: people of fear, but when when there's a tool that
- 46:53S13: we rely on that's removed from our lives, man, what
- 46:55S13: does that, what does that say to our soul? That's
- 46:58S13: this week's episode.
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