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Music star-sex-perv R. Kelly caught on tape whining he's too "POPULAR' to be around other inmates, dodges court date · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Judge Lynon Weber set a
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Speaker 1: trial date of April twenty seventh. That's despite arguments by
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Speaker 1: r Kelly's attorneys for more times, since this is just
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Speaker 1: one of four ongoing cases against the singer. R Kelly
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Speaker 1: said nothing as he stood through this morning's hearing in
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Speaker 1: an Orange jail jumpsuit. His attorneys argued for more time
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Speaker 1: given what they called voluminous discovery in this case, which
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Speaker 1: includes two co defendants. Those former associates allegedly helped Kelly
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Speaker 1: to pay off witnesses in his two thousand and eight
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Speaker 1: child porn trial and buy back incriminating sex tapes. Ahead
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Speaker 1: of today's hearing, prosecutors had the Grammy winner moved into
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Speaker 1: the general jail population from solitary confinement after a defense
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Speaker 1: motion claiming harsh restrictions for an unconvicted man awaiting trial.
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Speaker 1: I think if you saw Robert today, he looks probably
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Speaker 1: the best he's looked since this ordeal began. You can
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Speaker 1: see kind of an unburdening of his spirit, the fact
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Speaker 1: that he's now in general population. The singing sensation r
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Speaker 1: Kelly moved into general population the strangest part of his
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Speaker 1: argument was when prosecutors dismisstreatment claims by r Kelly, claiming
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Speaker 1: that he had been living it up, buying tons of
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Speaker 1: snacks from the commissary, including snickers, bars, kicking back. Kind
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Speaker 1: of a hero behind bars. Long story short, R Kelly,
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Speaker 1: You're going to trial. All the whining about life behind
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Speaker 1: bars when, according to prosecutors, he's been holding women in
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Speaker 1: his quote compound, underage girls and molesting them. I'm Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: With me Leavipage Crime online dot Com investigative reporter. What's
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Speaker 1: the latest with r Kelly? Nancy. R Kelly is wanted
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Speaker 1: by the courts after a bench warrant was issued for
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Speaker 1: his arrest in Minnesota for failure to appear. And this
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Speaker 1: was just a two minute hearing, but Senior Hennepin County
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Speaker 1: Attorney Judith Cole said that no attorney had been in
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Speaker 1: contact with her office or filed a certificate of representation
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Speaker 1: for r Kelly. And remember, Nancy, he's facing two counts
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Speaker 1: of engaging in prostitution with a person under eighteen in Minnesota,
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Speaker 1: and this bench warrant is non voluntary, so he has
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Speaker 1: to show up to court next time. And here's the thing.
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Speaker 1: Kelly is currently being held in the Federal Metropolitan Correctional
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Speaker 1: Facility in Chicago on sex crimes charges. Kelly's attorney, Steve Greenberg,
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Speaker 1: has disputed that his client failed to appear in Minnesota.
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Speaker 1: He said on Twitter, quote, I was not served with
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Speaker 1: any notice of court proceedings, nor was he. I did
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Speaker 1: not resist his appearance, nor did he. He also pointed
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Speaker 1: out Nancy that R. Kelly is in custody. Greenberg says,
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Speaker 1: it is the prosecutor who must obtain a court order
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Speaker 1: for R. Kelly to appear, and it's the prosecutor who
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Speaker 1: must go get him if he is in custody somewhere else.
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Speaker 1: They do not just give him a travel pass from
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Speaker 1: federal custody. That's from Steve Greenberg, his lawyer, and Nancy.
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Speaker 1: The Illinois US Attorney's office has apparently told the Minnesota
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Speaker 1: courts that it will not make Kelly available until after
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Speaker 1: his federal case is all finished. And this criminal complaint
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Speaker 1: says in two thousand and one that a minor approached R. Kelly,
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Speaker 1: asked him for an autograph, and he gave the seventeen
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Speaker 1: year old number when she met Kelly. He gave her
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Speaker 1: two hundred dollars to dance for him, and he allegedly
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Speaker 1: touched her sexually. And this is all on top of R.
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Speaker 1: Kelly being moved into general population Nancy. And what is
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Speaker 1: so odd about this is that his lawyers have complained
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Speaker 1: about mistreatment and jail. Yet there's a recorded phone call
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Speaker 1: that prosecutors say they have where he's bragging about how
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Speaker 1: popular he is. And he even did not want to
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Speaker 1: be in general population at one time because he said
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Speaker 1: that he was so popular people would be coming up
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Speaker 1: to him all the time, so he didn't even want
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Speaker 1: to be in general population. So his claims of mistreatment
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Speaker 1: are not very credible considering the fact that he's bragged
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Speaker 1: about how popular he is. Take a listen to this.
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Speaker 1: Earlier today, Robert Kelly was indicted before a Cook County
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Speaker 1: grand jury on ten counts of aggravated criminal sexual abuse
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Speaker 1: involving four victims. The first victim initials HW, was involved
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Speaker 1: in incidents which occurred between May twenty six to nineteen
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Speaker 1: ninety eight and May twenty fifth, nineteen ninety nine. A
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Speaker 1: grand jury returned an indictment on four counts of aggravated
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Speaker 1: criminal sexual abuse based on the victim being under the
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Speaker 1: age of seventeen and Robert Kelly being more than five
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Speaker 1: years older than the victim. The second victim, initials r
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Speaker 1: L was involved in an incident which occurred between September
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Speaker 1: twenty sixth, nineteen ninety eight and September twenty fifth, two
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Speaker 1: thousand and one. A grand jury returned an indictment on
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Speaker 1: two counts of aggravated criminal sexual abuse based on the
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Speaker 1: victims being under the age of seventeen and Robert Kelly
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Speaker 1: being more than five years older than that victim. The
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Speaker 1: third victim, initials LC was involved in an incident which
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Speaker 1: occurred February eighteenth, two thousand and three. A grand jury
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Speaker 1: returned an indictment on one count of aggravated criminal sexual
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Speaker 1: abuse based on the transmission of seamen by Robert Kelly
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Speaker 1: upon any part of the body of the victim for
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Speaker 1: the purpose of sexual gratification during the course of an
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Speaker 1: underlying felony of attempt criminal sexual assault. The fourth victim,
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Speaker 1: initials JP was involved in incidents which occurred between May first,
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Speaker 1: two thousand and nine and January thirty first, two thousand
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Speaker 1: and ten. A grand jury returned in indictment on the
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Speaker 1: three counts three counts of aggravated criminal sexual abuse based
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Speaker 1: on the victim being under the age of seventeen and
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Speaker 1: Robert Kelly being more than five years older than the victim.
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Speaker 1: Aggravated criminal sexual abuse is a class to felony with
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Speaker 1: the sentencing range of three to seven years for account.
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Speaker 1: It is also probationable. You were hearing there the prosecutor,
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Speaker 1: Kimberly Fox in Cook County. But you're never going to
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Speaker 1: believe this. The defense attorneys and all of our Kelly's supporters,
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Speaker 1: including his two girlfriends, were in court, want him released.
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Speaker 1: Listen to our friend at WGNTV. This is Nancy Lee.
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Speaker 1: Kelly's attorneys are asking the judge to release the R
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Speaker 1: and B singer while he waits for trial, arguing that
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Speaker 1: he's not a danger to the community because many of
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Speaker 1: the allegations are decades old. They also don't think Kelly
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Speaker 1: should have prisoners as roommates. Kelly's attorneys are arguing that
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Speaker 1: he should get to live with his not one, but
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Speaker 1: two girlfriends in a secure facility such as a townhouse,
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Speaker 1: a place that's appropriate, they'll be safe for him and
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Speaker 1: that can house. The women are part of his relationship,
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Speaker 1: so we can't tell you where he would be living.
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Speaker 1: His federal trial in the Northern District of Illinois is
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Speaker 1: slated for April twenty seven, twenty twenty, and it's expected
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Speaker 1: to last about three weeks. In the meantime, he'll likely
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Speaker 1: need to appear for dozens of hearings in regards to
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Speaker 1: his three other cases in New York, Minnesota, and Cook County.
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Speaker 1: I'm surprising to do extending because it has been so
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Speaker 1: much coming at him, but you know, he does have
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Speaker 1: found that supports him. We heard from Kelly's younger sisters,
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Speaker 1: Lisa and Cassandra Kelly, for the first time since Kelly's
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Speaker 1: arrest in July for sex abuse, child pornography, and obstruction
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Speaker 1: of justice. They were joined by a group of R.
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Speaker 1: Kelly's supporters who traveled to Chicago for this morning's hearing.
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Speaker 1: He don't like little girls. He don't mess with fourteen
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Speaker 1: to fifteen to six year old Kelly's close friends argued
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Speaker 1: that Lifetimes Surviving R. Kelly documentary poisoned the public against
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Speaker 1: the singer, and he'll be acquitted again. Meanwhile, federal prosecutors
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Speaker 1: have argued that Kelly's acquittal was due to the fact
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Speaker 1: that he manipulated the victims and their families. That's our
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Speaker 1: friend at WGNTV, Nancy lou Now, as you were just
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Speaker 1: hearing from Crime Online dot Com investigator reporter Levi Page R.
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Speaker 1: Kelly has just been moved out of solitary confinement and
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Speaker 1: into GP general population, but prosecutors are fighting back against
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Speaker 1: claims by his defense team he was held in solitary
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Speaker 1: against his will, and they point very clearly two recorded
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Speaker 1: jailhouse calls PS all the costs from the Gael are recorded, okay,
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Speaker 1: and there's a warning that you hear when you accept
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Speaker 1: a call from the jail that it's from a Gael. Okay.
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Speaker 1: On those calls, he explained why he refused to go
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Speaker 1: into general population when it had been offered, and he
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Speaker 1: claims he was worried about his fame making him too
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Speaker 1: popular among unquote regular inmates. Who does he think he
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Speaker 1: is special? Quote if I go to population, I'm just
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Speaker 1: up on everybody, and everybody's up on me, and I'm
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Speaker 1: trying to figure out how to trust that or whatever.
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Speaker 1: He goes on to talk about why he doesn't want
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Speaker 1: quote too many people up on you. I've seen too
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Speaker 1: many movies and it's just that I'm so popular here.
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Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, man, okay, that's what I know. Crime
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Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace back to leave my page. Crime
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Speaker 1: online dot Com investigator report of what else do we
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Speaker 1: know what's happening in the case, Well, we know Nancy
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Speaker 1: that the trial in Chicago, Cook County is scheduled to
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Speaker 1: start in April of twenty twenty, and he's accused of
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Speaker 1: assaulting one woman that was an adult and sexually abusing
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Speaker 1: three girls that were miners. He also has charges in
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Speaker 1: a federal indictment in New York where he's accused of
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Speaker 1: racketeering where he and his cohorts are alleged to have
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Speaker 1: found underage girls at concerts, groomed, then later for sexual abuse,
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Speaker 1: and then pay them off. He also had allegedly made
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Speaker 1: tapes of his encounters sexual encounters rape of these young women,
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Speaker 1: and some of the tapes had gone missing and he
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Speaker 1: was paying a bunch of money to get them back
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Speaker 1: and that's where the racketeering charges come in. And he's
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Speaker 1: also charged in you know, Minnesota, and a lot of
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Speaker 1: jurisdictions are coming down on him with his long long
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Speaker 1: history of allegedly praying on young women, and not only him,
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Speaker 1: but people that work for him too. His manager is
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Speaker 1: one of the cohorts that was involved in this as well.
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Speaker 1: It's very disturbing to Troice Layton joining us now from
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Speaker 1: LA renowned defense attorney Troice Layton. His defense team is
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Speaker 1: claiming that he was subjected to quote cruel and unusual
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Speaker 1: punishment behind bars due to his celebrity status, and the
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Speaker 1: excuters point out they claim that he had had no
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Speaker 1: meaningful interaction with other humans. This is by defense attorney
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Speaker 1: Steve Greenberg, who I've spoken to many times, but prosecutors
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Speaker 1: say Kelly has had access to indoor recreation area three
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Speaker 1: times a week, that he has had three different cell mates,
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Speaker 1: despite his claim he has had no interaction with other
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Speaker 1: humans and that he's leaving it up in the commissary.
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Speaker 1: What about that? It doesn't sound too bad to me.
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Speaker 1: The cruel and unusual punishment is prohibited by the Constitution,
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Speaker 1: and if it happens, being inside solitary confinement isn't like
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Speaker 1: in the movies. It's not like Shawshank Redemption, where you're
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Speaker 1: in the hole and everything is black and a little
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Speaker 1: slit opens up where food, bread and water is pushed
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Speaker 1: through a hole bread and water. That's not true. Why
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Speaker 1: do you even say that. Why are we saying that
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Speaker 1: that's not true, Nancy. Solitary confinement I'm saying, is not
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Speaker 1: like that. It can be simply not being able to
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Speaker 1: communicate with other people and having a cell mate who
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Speaker 1: is put in with you, who is being punished for
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Speaker 1: his own reasons. There are reports that one of the
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Speaker 1: people that they put in with R. Kelly was being
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Speaker 1: punished for making homemade shives, that's homemade stabbing devices in jail,
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Speaker 1: and that's why he was being punished in solitary confinement.
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Speaker 1: So it seems like the jailer, oh I thought it
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Speaker 1: was because, as he said in his own words, he
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Speaker 1: was too popular for GP. He said that, he said
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Speaker 1: that it's on a type recording. I don't care how
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Speaker 1: much do you want to doctor up. You can go
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Speaker 1: on to put perfume on the pig. But he's the
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Speaker 1: one that said he's just too popular for GPA. It
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Speaker 1: looks like they were trying to punish him to trying
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Speaker 1: to intimidate him by separating him from people, which can
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Speaker 1: cause a normal person to go crazy. Wanted solitary. He's
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Speaker 1: the one that asked for it. Well, clearly his attorneys
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Speaker 1: were arguing against it, and they wanted him to be
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Speaker 1: able to interact with thirty or forty people on a
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Speaker 1: regular floor where he can have some sort of meanful
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Speaker 1: human interaction and daily recreation. He had no access to TV.
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Speaker 1: He had no access to the outside of him. Oh
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Speaker 1: oh wait, wait, wait, no access to team hasn't been
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Speaker 1: convicted of a crime, He's no access to TV. I
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Speaker 1: can't believe you even said that. I got another question
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Speaker 1: confounding mate, doctor Daniel Bober joining me out of the
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Speaker 1: Florida jurisdiction. Forensic psychiatrist, doctor Bober. Who are these women?
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Speaker 1: Who are these people? Are Kelly supporters turning out in court?
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Speaker 1: What is wrong with them? And these are the same
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Speaker 1: people that are obsessed with serial killers, who are groupies.
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Speaker 1: They are obsessed by fame and they want to be
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Speaker 1: around famous people. And this guy is basically doing the
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Speaker 1: same thing in prison that he did in real life,
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Speaker 1: which is why he's in prison, which is he doesn't
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Speaker 1: think the rules apply to him and he's special because
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Speaker 1: he's a celebrity and he didn't do anything wrong. Um
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Speaker 1: back to you, Royce Slayton, I found out another cruel
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Speaker 1: and unusual punishment that's being inflicted on him. According to
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Speaker 1: his lawyers, he's quite miserable in jail because he's not
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Speaker 1: being allowed to read his fan mail. M M sorry,
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Speaker 1: just coughing, not laughing. So you mean you miserable because
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Speaker 1: he can't read his fanmailbody who has been not convicted
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Speaker 1: of a crime, who is merely being jailed because he
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Speaker 1: is accused of a crime. So he is a lot
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Speaker 1: of crimes on children. Do you still believe in someone
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Speaker 1: being innocent until proven guilty. Hey, this is not about me.
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Speaker 1: This is not about what I believe. This is about
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Speaker 1: him saying cruel unusual punishment is because he can't read
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Speaker 1: his fan mail, keeping him from correspondence. A person who's
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Speaker 1: not been convicted does seem improper, does not seem right.
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Speaker 1: He gets visits, he has recreation, He's going down on
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Speaker 1: one Snickers bar after the next. Doesn't sound cruel to me.
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Speaker 1: I don't see how you can have full access Joseph
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Speaker 1: Scott Morgan to the Commissary. Joseph Scott Morgan, win Me
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Speaker 1: forensics expert, author of Blood Beneath My Feet, full access
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Speaker 1: to the Commissary. You see your lawyers every day and
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Speaker 1: your winning. Because you don't have a TV, you can't
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Speaker 1: read your fan mail. Well, I gotta tell you, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: mister Kelly better live high off the hog while he can,
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Speaker 1: because it would appear to me that the authorities, all
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Speaker 1: of the investigators involved in this. I was listening to
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Speaker 1: that role call that was played earlier where that resortation
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Speaker 1: of all of these charges. They have got such a
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Speaker 1: litany of evidence that it's going to be brought against
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Speaker 1: mister Kelly and whoa, whoa wait, Please with me, Professor Forensics,
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Speaker 1: jacksonvill State University. Let's talk about the evidence so I
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Speaker 1: can quit arguing with TROYE. Layton about snickers and fan mail.
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Speaker 1: Let's get down to the nitty gritty. Let's detail the evidence.
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott. Yeah, I'm one of the most larying things
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Speaker 1: that they mentioned, as disgusting as it is, was that
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Speaker 1: apparently there's ejaculate that has been left behind by minister.
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Speaker 1: Why do you talk like that? Oh well, I don't know.
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Speaker 1: Why do you say ejaculate? Nobody knows what you're talking about.
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Speaker 1: You're talking about spurn and so yeah, and so we're
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Speaker 1: you're gonna see I believe if if the police have
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Speaker 1: handled this correctly, you're gonna literally see a molecular connection
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Speaker 1: between Kelly and his victims. It doesn't matter if these
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Speaker 1: young women were maybe consensual in some way, this is
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Speaker 1: statutory rate. He's been involved with children, Nancy. And also
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Speaker 1: you've got this long line of electronic evidence that they're
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Speaker 1: going to present, things like phone calls, seems like phone records,
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Speaker 1: things like videography that he has that he is attempted
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Speaker 1: to buy back. They have evidence of that. It's going
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Speaker 1: to be a very difficult road road to go down
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Speaker 1: for mister Kelly and his defense. When you refer to videotapes,
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Speaker 1: what are you talking about, Jo Scott Well, with the
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Speaker 1: videography that they have, he's actually engaged, allegedly, allegedly in
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Speaker 1: sexual acts with these children, these underage women that he
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Speaker 1: has been engaging with, and not only him, but also
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Speaker 1: some of his associates allegedly. So you're going to have
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Speaker 1: this connection of all these people. And let me tell
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Speaker 1: you something, when the pot of gold dries up and
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Speaker 1: all these people around him are connected to this and
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Speaker 1: they realize what they're faced with, you know, you'll start
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Speaker 1: seeing people seeing like a bird when they're faced with
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Speaker 1: the idea that, look, you know, we were just here
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Speaker 1: as peripheral participants. He's really the bad guy. And I
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Speaker 1: bet that they're going to get some of these people
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Speaker 1: to flip on it. Crime story with Nancy Grace, the
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Speaker 1: Singing Sensation r Kelly moved into general population. Take a
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Speaker 1: listen to this. Later this month, the defense will argue
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Speaker 1: for reconsideration a bond and possible release, with Kelly's two
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Speaker 1: girlfriends serving as custodians. They were in court today along
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Speaker 1: with a number of fans and some relatives, including two
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Speaker 1: of Kelly's sisters and Brave. He's holding up, Thank God
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Speaker 1: for that. He has faith that everything's going to work
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Speaker 1: out the way it should, you know, under circumstances. You know,
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Speaker 1: I'm surprising steal standing because it's been so much coming
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Speaker 1: at him. But you know, he does have found that
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Speaker 1: supports him. The April twenty seventh trial date is tentative
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Speaker 1: since it's unclear how the other four other three cases
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Speaker 1: might proceed, those in Illinois, New York as well as Minnesota.
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Speaker 1: In this case, prosecutors expect a trial to last about
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Speaker 1: three weeks. That's our friend at WGN TV Nancy Lou
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Speaker 1: You know, it's kind of amazing to John Cardillo, former
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Speaker 1: NYPD that it took a documentary on Lifetime surviving R.
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Speaker 1: Kelly to bring about new charges after one jury acquitted
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Speaker 1: him out of Chicago many many years ago. What about that,
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Speaker 1: John Cardillo, It took a documentary on Lifetime. Yeah, I mean,
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Speaker 1: I feel like we've been talking about this case since
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Speaker 1: nineteen seventy eight, right, But it does show a troubling
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Speaker 1: truth and that when you're a wealthy celebrity and you
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Speaker 1: have millions of dollars to spend on your defense, and
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Speaker 1: this guy is very wealthy, a lot of hit songs,
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Speaker 1: that there's a different standard of justice for you. And
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Speaker 1: he's had the best lawyers. He's been able to hold
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Speaker 1: things at bay, you know, and his lawyers are I mean,
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Speaker 1: I find it ludicrous this guy was. They're using solitary confinement,
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Speaker 1: which is even a misnomer. He was an administrative segregation,
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Speaker 1: which is common for celebrities. Typically it's like a dorm
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Speaker 1: type room jail cell. It's not he's not in there,
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Speaker 1: you know, in the whole nude in a filthy room
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Speaker 1: with rats running around the floor, and it's stone and
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Speaker 1: he's given a filthy blanket to sleep on. This is
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Speaker 1: just him once again playing the victim in Martyr, And
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Speaker 1: I think the travesty here is that these victims are
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Speaker 1: being turned they're being vilified. He's got these moronic would
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Speaker 1: mc colton fans, their cultists who are coming out crying
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Speaker 1: for this guy who was a child sexual predator, and
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Speaker 1: his victims are having to relive this over and over
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Speaker 1: and over again. So hopefully the Feds, which have a
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Speaker 1: much higher conviction rate than the state, and a lot
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Speaker 1: of resources at their disposal, hopefully the DOJ can finally
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Speaker 1: put this guy behind bars because I disagree with his
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Speaker 1: lawyers and those supporters. Take a listening to Lisa van
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Speaker 1: Allen then eighteen Girl when she mates R Kelly. Lisa,
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Speaker 1: what happened when you got to Chicago? Initially, when I
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Speaker 1: got there, it, you know, being so young, it was
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Speaker 1: a bit exciting to travel to another city and to meet,
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Speaker 1: you know, him and to hang out here his music
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Speaker 1: and things like that. But soon after that, you know,
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Speaker 1: that kind of died down because he asked me to
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Speaker 1: do a threesome with him, and the way he got
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Speaker 1: me to do it was he told me it never
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Speaker 1: had one before, and with me thinking that his girlfriend,
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Speaker 1: I felt, you know, kind of obligated to do that
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Speaker 1: for him if he had never had one before, and
22:31
Speaker 1: he was a superstar, and you know what I mean,
22:33
Speaker 1: I'm like, girls are always throwing themselves at him, and
22:35
Speaker 1: he's never had one before, so I'll just I'll go
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Speaker 1: ahead and do it, you know, for him. We had
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Speaker 1: the threesome, and after we had it, it just became
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Speaker 1: and just something that he always wanted to do, threesomes
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Speaker 1: with different girls. Then I would get very upset. I
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Speaker 1: cry more often than not. I cry about it, and
22:57
Speaker 1: he would always try to give me like Pep talks
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Speaker 1: about how you know, it was just sex and it
23:03
Speaker 1: didn't hold any emotion to him, and how a lot
23:06
Speaker 1: of times he didn't know the girl's names, and you know,
23:08
Speaker 1: if I could just do it and get it over with,
23:11
Speaker 1: you know, so it would be a lot of trauma
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Speaker 1: involved for me because you know, it was something that
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Speaker 1: I didn't want to do, and I felt, you know,
23:18
Speaker 1: that I had to do it for him, especially since
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Speaker 1: I had already done it, you know what I mean.
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Speaker 1: But you know, once I realized once we did it,
23:25
Speaker 1: more than once, I realized it was a lie, but
23:27
Speaker 1: I was already caught up into it, and I ended
23:30
Speaker 1: up living there with him. You know, he was taking
23:32
Speaker 1: care of me. You know, I didn't have my job
23:34
Speaker 1: anymore at the mall, you know, so it kind of
23:37
Speaker 1: was like I really didn't have a choice. When he
23:41
Speaker 1: would try to give you as you refer to it
23:43
Speaker 1: as pep talks, you told me that he would say
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Speaker 1: things like, if you love me, you wouldn't try to
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Speaker 1: change me. Yes, he would, Yes, he would say that,
23:52
Speaker 1: And he says things that he would say that that's
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Speaker 1: what his mother told him. If a woman loves a man,
23:57
Speaker 1: she won't try to change him. So I'm thinking to myself, well,
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Speaker 1: him and his mother would know better than me if
24:03
Speaker 1: i'm you know, I'm yeah, I'm a child. What do
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Speaker 1: I know about what a wrong woman should do or
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Speaker 1: what you know to please a man? You know? So
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Speaker 1: I go off with what he told me, like, Okay,
24:15
Speaker 1: well I guess he's right. At this time, you were seventeen,
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Speaker 1: and how old was he thirty one? Okay, I guess
24:21
Speaker 1: that says it all right there, levite page climb online
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Speaker 1: dot Com. Explain to me how much time is he
24:27
Speaker 1: looking at if he's convicted on accounts. I don't know
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Speaker 1: the exact amount of time, but I mean, there's so
24:32
Speaker 1: many states here, Nancy, New York, Cook County, Chicago, Minnesota.
24:38
Speaker 1: These are federal charges, Nancy, and his lawyer is trying
24:42
Speaker 1: to get him out on bond. But the scary part
24:45
Speaker 1: about that is some of the charges that he's currently
24:48
Speaker 1: facing is remember when he went on trial back in
24:51
Speaker 1: two thousand and eight for that tape where he urinated
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Speaker 1: on a young woman in this sex tape, he was
24:58
Speaker 1: acquitted of that. You mean the fourteen year old girl. Yeah,
25:02
Speaker 1: remember in that case. Part of these charges is that
25:04
Speaker 1: he was paying off people not to testify against him,
25:07
Speaker 1: and that there were other tapes and he and his
25:10
Speaker 1: associates were paying people large sums of money to get
25:14
Speaker 1: these tapes back. And if he's released, he could be
25:18
Speaker 1: scheming and plotting to pay people off in his current
25:23
Speaker 1: trial to intimidate people. So that's a big reason why
25:26
Speaker 1: he should not be out. Joyce Lytton a renowned defense
25:29
Speaker 1: attorney joining me out of LA. What are the potential
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Speaker 1: sentences in these cases? So he's facing four prosecutions right now,
25:36
Speaker 1: one state prosecution in Chicago, and Cook County. That means
25:42
Speaker 1: it's the people of the state of Illinois against him.
25:46
Speaker 1: And then in the other three prosecutions, he's facing federal
25:49
Speaker 1: charges the United States government against him. For example, in
25:53
Speaker 1: just one of the cases in Chicago, the federal case,
25:58
Speaker 1: he's facing one hundred and four nine years. So when
26:02
Speaker 1: you aggregate all these cases together, he's facing multiple life
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Speaker 1: terms in prison. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. R Kelly
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Speaker 1: has just been moved out of solitary confinement and into
26:31
Speaker 1: gp general population, but prosecutors are fighting back against claims
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Speaker 1: by his defense team he was held in solitary against
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Speaker 1: his will. All the whining about life behind bars when
26:44
Speaker 1: according to prosecutors, he's been holding women in his quote
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Speaker 1: compounds underage girls and molesting them. I Meancy Grace, this
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Speaker 1: is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. Take
26:56
Speaker 1: a listen to what r Kelly's lawyer tells me. It's
26:58
Speaker 1: hard for me to believe, mister Greenberg that all of
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Speaker 1: these women are I say, you've seen the Lifetime special
27:08
Speaker 1: Surviving R Kelly, that they're all along and your client
27:12
Speaker 1: is the only one telling the truth Sparkle. Sparkle told
27:16
Speaker 1: her story back when mister Kelly was arrested and charged Aaron,
27:22
Speaker 1: Illinois more than a decade ago, and the jury didn't
27:27
Speaker 1: believe her. Then she's just retelling the same story that
27:32
Speaker 1: no one believed. The young lady who she claimed was
27:35
Speaker 1: in the video said it wasn't her. The young lady's
27:38
Speaker 1: mother said it wasn't her. The young lady's father said
27:40
Speaker 1: it wasn't her. So, you know, I don't know why
27:45
Speaker 1: everyone wants to believe Sparkle when when the people who
27:48
Speaker 1: are supposedly closer to the situation all say she's not correct. Well, okay,
27:54
Speaker 1: you know what, Let's move from Sparkle. Who Guy Sparkle
27:59
Speaker 1: is the aunt of the fourteen year old girl in
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Speaker 1: the video. According to the indictment, the jury said they
28:08
Speaker 1: could not determine that she was fourteen or who she
28:12
Speaker 1: was with me today is Lisa Van Allen, who lived
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Speaker 1: with R. Kelly, who says she was picked out of
28:20
Speaker 1: a group of women on a video shoot Strippers Grow Women.
28:24
Speaker 1: He comes straight over to a skinny teen girl and says,
28:27
Speaker 1: how old are you? Will your mom will let you
28:30
Speaker 1: come to Chicago. She gets there and he immediately enlists
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Speaker 1: her for sex and a threesome. Now forget about sparkling
28:39
Speaker 1: the incident of the fourteen year old girl in the
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Speaker 1: video who was having sex with R. Kelly and got
28:44
Speaker 1: urinated on. Now I'm talking about Lisa van Allen, who's
28:47
Speaker 1: with me right now. You were there, Lisa? What happened
28:52
Speaker 1: when he asked you to have a threesome with an
28:55
Speaker 1: underage girl? According to you all right? When he would
28:59
Speaker 1: ask me, I have to sing some you know, I cry,
29:02
Speaker 1: I get upset and he would say, I mean in
29:05
Speaker 1: one with the young lady that we're speaking of from trial.
29:09
Speaker 1: When I cried about that one, he got upset and said,
29:12
Speaker 1: what am I going to do with this tape? What
29:14
Speaker 1: can I do with this? How can I watch this
29:15
Speaker 1: with you on here crying? You know? I mean he
29:18
Speaker 1: really got upset that he couldn't watch that tape. Later
29:23
Speaker 1: hit me, I mean, he caused this up. The pie piper?
29:26
Speaker 1: Can can his lawyer explain that you know what the
29:29
Speaker 1: pie piper is? The pipe piper is a man who
29:32
Speaker 1: lawer's children away from their family. Do you do you,
29:35
Speaker 1: Steve Greenberg, know what the pie piper is? I do? Okay,
29:39
Speaker 1: what if you know what the pie piper is? What
29:44
Speaker 1: I cannot explain people's nicknames, and that's not really you
29:49
Speaker 1: don't have to. He doesn't have to explain it. I mean,
29:52
Speaker 1: the evidence is there. I mean, go to Cook County Courthouse.
29:54
Speaker 1: How many women have you paid off that were underage?
29:57
Speaker 1: Do you pay off people when you're not guilty? I
29:59
Speaker 1: think twelve? Do you do that when you're not guilty?
30:01
Speaker 1: Or is that the right number? Steve? Steve, is that
30:04
Speaker 1: the right number? There have been twelve young women with
30:07
Speaker 1: whom he has reached civil settlements where he paid money
30:11
Speaker 1: to make their claim go away in civil courts Natcy
30:15
Speaker 1: beyond saying that people settle civil cases for all sorts
30:21
Speaker 1: of reasons, including the cost of litigation. Any settlement which
30:26
Speaker 1: I have never seen are my understanding when people explain them,
30:32
Speaker 1: are supposed to be confidential. And therefore I believe that
30:37
Speaker 1: if I were, I was not involved in those cases,
30:40
Speaker 1: if they just I wasn't a lawyer on it, and
30:43
Speaker 1: if I say anything about it, I would be subject
30:46
Speaker 1: to discipline from the courts here. So I'm not going
30:49
Speaker 1: to let in that situation since Rob is not, Since
30:54
Speaker 1: since he believed that Robert didn't do any of these things,
30:57
Speaker 1: why don't they have Rob and all of us young
31:00
Speaker 1: ladies do lie detective tests and a little brue. Who's
31:04
Speaker 1: telling the truth and who's that I'm not saying in
31:05
Speaker 1: the court of law, just perio, just recording? Well would
31:08
Speaker 1: he agree to al detector? Steve Greenberg? Okay, everybody hold
31:15
Speaker 1: with me? Is Lisa Van Allen, alleged victim of musical
31:19
Speaker 1: superstar R Kelly who created I Believe I Can Fly
31:24
Speaker 1: and Steve Greenberg, R Kelly's defense attorney. You've got Tiffany Hawkins,
31:29
Speaker 1: who filed a ten million dollar lawsuit against Robert Kelly.
31:34
Speaker 1: She says their relationship started when she was fifteen years
31:36
Speaker 1: old and Kelly was twenty four. They settled four quarter
31:40
Speaker 1: million dollars. Then you've got ept Epic records entering Tracy
31:45
Speaker 1: Sampson in decent sex relationship when she was seventeen. That
31:50
Speaker 1: was a settlement. Patricia Jones sued for impregnating her when
31:55
Speaker 1: she was seventeen, and she says forcing her to get
31:59
Speaker 1: an abortion, and they settled out of court. Martina Woods
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Speaker 1: seeking fifty grand over sex encounter in his recording studio
32:08
Speaker 1: out of court, unknown settlement. Then there was the fourteen
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Speaker 1: counts of child porn he was found not guilty on that.
32:16
Speaker 1: Then there was detailed allegations from parents claiming their daughter
32:22
Speaker 1: being held in a cult. Okay, then you've got I'm
32:27
Speaker 1: losing my voice. You're Honda Pace says she met Kelly
32:32
Speaker 1: outside of his trial when she was fifteen, and he
32:34
Speaker 1: started inviting her over and they started a sex relationship
32:38
Speaker 1: that he would film the encounters. That ended, and there
32:42
Speaker 1: was apparently a settlement. Kitty Jones, was thatte Martinez? Well,
32:49
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm going to run out of time naming
32:51
Speaker 1: all these women. So none of those names ring a bell.
32:54
Speaker 1: Steve Greenberg, Oh, they all ring a bell. But for example,
32:58
Speaker 1: one of them you rattled off settled, you know, Sue,
33:02
Speaker 1: because she was supposedly sexually assault in his studio and
33:06
Speaker 1: she settled for fifty grand, And a fifty grand is
33:10
Speaker 1: a nuisance painment. The cost of someone like like mister
33:14
Speaker 1: Kelly going to litigation is extremely expensive. Well that's the
33:22
Speaker 1: one where the number. I'm not a party of those agreements.
33:26
Speaker 1: If they exist, I wouldn't know. I could tell you
33:30
Speaker 1: that that if anyone's talking about them, and they do exist,
33:34
Speaker 1: and they're breaching the agreements. So you've got people who
33:38
Speaker 1: you know, stay is not about the women preaching an agreement.
33:43
Speaker 1: This is about the fact that R. Kelly has settled
33:46
Speaker 1: with we believe twelve women at least for claims of
33:51
Speaker 1: underage sex or sex harassment. But hold on, I want
33:55
Speaker 1: to go back to something Lisa Van Allen said. Does
33:58
Speaker 1: he call himself the pie pipe or do other people
34:01
Speaker 1: call him that? He calls himself the pie piper on songs,
34:04
Speaker 1: he'll say it's the pie Piper. Okay, Lisa, if you
34:07
Speaker 1: could speak to R Kelly right now, what would you say.
34:11
Speaker 1: I would say, stop hurting people. Stop hurting people. Why
34:16
Speaker 1: does he feel the need. I mean, they say hurt people,
34:19
Speaker 1: hurt people, but that doesn't have to be true. I've
34:22
Speaker 1: been hurt well on multiple occasions, and I don't want
34:24
Speaker 1: to hurt people. I'm here to help people. I would
34:27
Speaker 1: tell him, get help and stop hurting people. Send those
34:31
Speaker 1: girls home if they're not being held against their will,
34:35
Speaker 1: let them don't see their family, Let them go and
34:38
Speaker 1: then they'll come back if they're not being held against
34:40
Speaker 1: their will. You know, I always said, I say it
34:44
Speaker 1: was me before me too, because I came out before
34:47
Speaker 1: any of these movements were out, you know, And nobody
34:50
Speaker 1: was listening back in two thousand and eight, but now
34:52
Speaker 1: we have a second chance to come back around. He
34:54
Speaker 1: calls itself the pie Piper of R and B for
34:56
Speaker 1: a reason. He tells us all of these names and
34:59
Speaker 1: his songs for a reason. He came out with a's
35:01
Speaker 1: ain't nothing but a number for a reason. We wait
35:04
Speaker 1: as justice unfolds Nancy Gray's crime story, signing off goodbye friend,