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#657 - REASON Talks New Album, Getting Relationship Advice from J. Cole, L.A. Rap Scene, GNX & More · The Bootleg Kev Podcast

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Speaker 1: It's the Bootleg cav Show. We are here. We got
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Speaker 1: a special guest man his new album, Moving Towards Love
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Speaker 1: Pink out now yes, the second in a series of
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Speaker 1: color albums. Yes, yes, So you had the everything in
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Speaker 1: My Soul that was blue, which was blue, and now
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Speaker 1: we're moving towards pink And if you have not heard
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Speaker 1: the album yet, it is incredible. It's obviously a lot
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Speaker 1: of I feel like, uh, you know, towards your females. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: out there for sure. You have a big female listening core.
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Speaker 1: Is that a thing?
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Speaker 2: Man, I'm discovering that I had a bigger female listening
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Speaker 2: core than I thought I did.
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Speaker 1: Just assume it's like Dusty that podcast the guys that
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Speaker 1: look like Sallacy.
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Speaker 2: Now as funny as I was talking to the dish
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Speaker 2: about it, because we was like, yo, we got to
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Speaker 2: figure out a way to improve the ratio, you know,
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Speaker 2: with women. And then it jumped so fast that they
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Speaker 2: was basically saying like it let them know that there
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Speaker 2: are a lot of women that are aware of me,
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Speaker 2: but they maybe weren't listening because I wasn't making stuff
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Speaker 2: that you know what I mean, they can play you
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Speaker 2: get what I'm saying. Because they were saying, like for
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Speaker 2: its to jump, for the percentage to jump as quick
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Speaker 2: as it did, there was like we didn't have to
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Speaker 2: go find new people that to discover you.
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Speaker 3: They were already there. They were just waiting for you
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Speaker 3: to give them something that they actually you get what
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Speaker 3: I'm saying. I wanted to listen to Was.
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Speaker 1: This a harder project to make because it's obviously the
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Speaker 1: first time you've really put that hat on.
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Speaker 2: And like, yeah, it actually it was actually pretty easy because.
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Speaker 3: I've made a lot of relationship songs.
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Speaker 2: It's just when I was, you know, boxing too a
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Speaker 2: certain set, I couldn't really explore the way that I
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Speaker 2: wanted to, you get what I'm saying, Like, I made
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Speaker 2: Turns Up Records because I like to make music that
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Speaker 2: represents my life. So it's like I've you know, been
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Speaker 2: in a lot of situationships or relationships. I go outside
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Speaker 2: and I'm out, you know what i mean, Like from
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Speaker 2: the street to Las So it's like I make stuff
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Speaker 2: with my life, you know what i mean. So I've
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Speaker 2: made a lot of turns Up shit. I made a
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Speaker 2: lot of shit for relationships, and I've made a lot
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Speaker 2: of the stuff that people know me for the most.
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Speaker 2: It's just that that was what was being released, So
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Speaker 2: this was it was actually pretty easy to be honest
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Speaker 2: with you.
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Speaker 1: I didn say because it's like if you got kind
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Speaker 1: of like no, it's like I'm going into this. It's
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Speaker 1: a concept. Yeah, it probably makes it a little easier
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Speaker 1: to be like, all right, look, we're just gonna do
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Speaker 1: twenty of these or however, you know, because exactly that,
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Speaker 1: and then you broke it up into discs.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, broke it up in the disc because I wanted
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Speaker 2: to do something different, Like I feel like there's a
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Speaker 2: lot of projects that's about love and relationships, but it's
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Speaker 2: always the same story.
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Speaker 3: It's like guy does something.
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Speaker 2: Stupid, loses girl, he's trying to get girl back, you
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Speaker 2: know what I mean, And that's kind of like the norm,
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Speaker 2: and so I wanted to just walk through what an
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Speaker 2: actual relationship looks like, which is you meet the girl,
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Speaker 2: everything is great on both sides. She the best thing
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Speaker 2: you ever met, you know what I mean, vice versa,
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Speaker 2: and then it just kind of progresses from there and
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Speaker 2: it gets more serious and more serious, and I want
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Speaker 2: I felt like that would have been the most relatable
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Speaker 2: thing because that's something that.
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Speaker 3: We literally all lived through, you know what I mean,
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Speaker 3: and then you either get married or you break up
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Speaker 3: and break it up, you go do it again, or
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Speaker 3: you catch her cheat because.
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Speaker 1: She's a whore. Yo, are you gonna do? Because I
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Speaker 1: feel like the physical has got a kind of low
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Speaker 1: key before discs. Yeah, yeah, it would be like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: that's a high it's been. It's been a high costs.
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Speaker 2: It's been boxing us in a little bit or trying
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Speaker 2: to figure out one years like four size.
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Speaker 3: Or something like that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we've been trying to figure out how to how
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Speaker 2: to make it, how to be able to like make
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Speaker 2: it a tangible product that we could sell that involves
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Speaker 2: all of them. And I'm not gonna Lie've been running
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Speaker 2: in the walls on that and we're like setting aggressive timelines.
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Speaker 2: So that's not helping because it's like we have these
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Speaker 2: timelines that we have to hit, but we have to
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Speaker 2: come up with ideas but still.
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Speaker 3: Keep pushing the music, you know what I mean. So
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Speaker 3: it's been tough.
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Speaker 1: It's been a couple of years since you've left the
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Speaker 1: TD situation. Would you say you are more happy now
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Speaker 1: as an artist?
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Speaker 3: For sure? For sure? Like it was for a long time.
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Speaker 2: I used to try to explain to people while I
3:41
Speaker 2: was like like over there, like I made Porchase, which
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Speaker 2: was my last project there.
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Speaker 3: I made that project. Thank you, thank you.
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Speaker 2: When people like that project, it's so refreshing to me
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Speaker 2: because I made that project like depressed, Like I was
3:53
Speaker 2: literally like clocking into a job.
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Speaker 1: It was work.
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Speaker 3: It was work. Like I would go to the studio,
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Speaker 3: I get there at twelve and I'd just be looking
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Speaker 3: at the like I can't wait for you know, six
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Speaker 3: to get here so I can get the fuck up
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Speaker 3: out of here.
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Speaker 2: And go home, you know what I mean. And so
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Speaker 2: making that project was really really hard. I had to
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Speaker 2: like go to other places and record to be able
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Speaker 2: to make it because I just wasn't in the headspace,
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Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And so definitely like I'm
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Speaker 2: I'm I'm more happy. I think the biggest thing I'm
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Speaker 2: happier about is the fact that like the music is
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Speaker 2: coming out in real time, Like I get to drop
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Speaker 2: music and it's who I am now, whereas when I
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Speaker 2: was dropping it. Then it'll be a song that somebody
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Speaker 2: loves and they can relate to. And I'm like that
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Speaker 2: was me three.
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Speaker 1: Years ago, right, Like I made this song three years ago.
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Speaker 2: I'm not even that person no more, you know what
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Speaker 2: I mean. Like, and then I got to go and
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Speaker 2: perform it, and I'm like, I don't even want to
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Speaker 2: rap this shit no more, because I feel like a
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Speaker 2: lame version of you know what I mean myself?
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Speaker 3: Like I feel like I'm faking it, you know what
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Speaker 3: I mean? And that's never been something that I'm good
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Speaker 3: at doing.
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Speaker 1: Do you think you could do because obviously we know that,
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Speaker 1: like it's obviously over there, it's a lot more stuff
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Speaker 1: spread out. Yeah, it ain't like you're dropping three albums
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Speaker 1: in a year. Yeah, I was gonna say, could you
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Speaker 1: even know? Like, because I feel like even just the
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Speaker 1: idea of doing like these concept projects where it's like, Okay,
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Speaker 1: I have this, I have the blue album, and then
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Speaker 1: the pink album, and I don't know if there's any
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Speaker 1: other color school. Yeah, your manager may or may not
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Speaker 1: have let me in a secret. But is that even
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Speaker 1: something you feel like you could have done?
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Speaker 3: Nah?
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Speaker 2: And that's what that's what I mean by like the
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Speaker 2: happiness about it, and like the freedom to create is
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Speaker 2: like I used to go into a project and be
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Speaker 2: like I gotta cram all different parts of me inside
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Speaker 2: this one body of work, but still make it feel cohesive.
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Speaker 2: You get what I'm saying, like, because I'm like, I'm
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Speaker 2: not gonna be back up to bat for.
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Speaker 1: A minute at least. Yeah, And you don't want it
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Speaker 1: to ever sound dated because you're like, Okay, I know
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Speaker 1: this might not come out for a couple of exactly.
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Speaker 2: So then it's like I'm scratching records that I love
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Speaker 2: because it feels dated, you know what I mean? Or
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Speaker 2: the beats feel dated, Like I remember me and Azy
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Speaker 2: Schike did a joint and then it was like by
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Speaker 2: the time Portress was coming out, it felt dated, like
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Speaker 2: the beat feeld dated, and I was just like, h like,
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Speaker 2: and me and Tike was kind of on the same pages,
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Speaker 2: like it don't really make sense, you know what I mean,
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Speaker 2: Like because we did it like two and a half
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Speaker 2: years before that, so.
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Speaker 1: You obviously, man, I feel like have always set yourself
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Speaker 1: apart when it comes to just like being one of
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Speaker 1: the best lyrical, lyrically gifted guys in Southern California. Is
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Speaker 1: it kind of like not to say like because I
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Speaker 1: feel like, you know, me and Salas were talking and
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Speaker 1: he was saying like he feels like this is your
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Speaker 1: best like song like songs the song, right is it
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Speaker 1: like for you, like have you seen because you have
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Speaker 1: fans of yours that are very much like they're there
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Speaker 1: for the bars for sure, Like have you seen the
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Speaker 1: like obviously you see more people coming to the party
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Speaker 1: who are females, But have you did you see any
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Speaker 1: of like the feedback from like those fans.
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Speaker 2: That's so funny that like I got a couple of
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Speaker 2: fans that's like die hard fans, like I've been talking
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Speaker 2: to him for years and they hit me and they
6:42
Speaker 2: was like when they first dropped, they was like, man,
6:44
Speaker 2: reason like I'm not gonna lie. I'm not really the
6:46
Speaker 2: same what we want the same way, Like I'm not
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Speaker 2: really fucking with it. And then they'll name like certain
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Speaker 2: songs that they like and it's like it's the more
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Speaker 2: bar heavy songs. But it's funny because literally every single
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Speaker 2: one of those fans came back and it's only been
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Speaker 2: out for like a week, but they came back like
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Speaker 2: a few days later, and they was like, you're the
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Speaker 2: probably grown on me. Like it's almost like once the
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Speaker 2: expectation of like coming into a rap rap album run away,
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Speaker 2: they were like, you know, and I just told them.
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Speaker 2: I said, that's the whole point in me being able
7:08
Speaker 2: to drop as frequent as I can, because if you don't,
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Speaker 2: if you hear for bar bar heavy reason, you could
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Speaker 2: just go and listen to Blue, like it's Blue is
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Speaker 2: right there. It's not it's not relatively relatively new. You
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Speaker 2: get what I'm saying, Like, in comparison to what you're
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Speaker 2: used to getting from me, you're used to getting something
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Speaker 2: every two to three years from me, That shit is
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Speaker 2: five six months.
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Speaker 1: It's crazy because you've dropped like three albums the last
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Speaker 1: year and a half a cent.
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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, like like I Love You Again, which
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Speaker 2: is shorter project than Everything in My Soul, which we
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Speaker 2: did a full one to when we dropped the deluxe
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Speaker 2: and then we just did this one's a full length.
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Speaker 2: So that's literally what I told him is like Blue
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Speaker 2: is right there. And that's why I started with Blue,
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Speaker 2: was because I want us to take care of my
7:46
Speaker 2: core fans first.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, like I watch something for you.
7:48
Speaker 2: I got something right for y'all that's in y'all pocket
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Speaker 2: that you know, I know you're gonna love. There's no
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Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And now we can kind
7:53
Speaker 2: of get a little bit more creative and whatnot.
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Speaker 1: I feel like the most anticipated thing for you that
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Speaker 1: has become like, Uh, what the fuck is up with
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Speaker 1: you and cos doing this goddamn album you guys have
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Speaker 1: been talking about forever. It's like, if you guys have
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Speaker 1: to have the best song on the.
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Speaker 3: Dream album, it's on cause man like, like.
8:11
Speaker 1: That's my brother, isn't he kind of is? He's not
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Speaker 1: in it anymore.
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Speaker 3: He's good, He's good to go. He's good.
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Speaker 1: He told me he want a studio right in here.
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Speaker 1: Take it for sake.
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Speaker 2: He told me he wanted to go solo first, which
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Speaker 2: I gotta respect. But I'm like, but my whole thing,
8:25
Speaker 2: I just.
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Speaker 3: Like you'd be waiting for I just go take a
8:29
Speaker 3: long likes and just drop. You know what I'm saying.
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Speaker 3: But now it's funny.
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Speaker 2: We actually just talked about that at the release party and.
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Speaker 1: He started it. Bro.
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Speaker 3: We got like forty five records like we could drop
8:41
Speaker 3: tomorrow if niggas want to suppressed them, but we could, honestly,
8:45
Speaker 3: you know what, So this and I haven't told nobody this.
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Speaker 3: The songs that people have been getting from me with.
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Speaker 2: Cause in like the last year and a half are
8:52
Speaker 2: like songs supposed to be on that. I'm just like,
8:55
Speaker 2: I'm taking the songs that sound a little bit more
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Speaker 2: dated and and and I'm showing cause because they all
8:59
Speaker 2: love the songs, like the Tired of Fucking These Holes
9:01
Speaker 2: record that's on there, that was me and co that
9:03
Speaker 2: was on our project. I dropped a little quick three
9:06
Speaker 2: pack before we went into the Pink rollout and they
9:08
Speaker 2: had a record on their Across the Fall that was
9:10
Speaker 2: on our project.
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Speaker 3: Like, I've just been putting those.
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Speaker 2: Records, the ones that sound a little dated, and I
9:15
Speaker 2: know they're not gonna make the album. I've been just
9:17
Speaker 2: kind of putting them out just to keep the anticipation
9:19
Speaker 2: there and to show cause, like bro, there's a market
9:22
Speaker 2: there for it. Like we're kind of just like blowing
9:26
Speaker 2: a good situation right now, you know what I mean,
9:28
Speaker 2: because people are never gonna wait forever.
9:29
Speaker 3: It's just not gonna happen.
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Speaker 1: have still been obviously. I feel like the Dreamville guys
10:56
Speaker 1: have held you down every since then. My brother Boss
10:59
Speaker 1: was on the line album obviously, because what can you
11:02
Speaker 1: speak to just because I feel like sometimes when you're
11:05
Speaker 1: in a position like you were in where you have this,
11:07
Speaker 1: I mean, whatever you want to call your situation with
11:09
Speaker 1: TD falling out whatever, a little messier than you probably
11:12
Speaker 1: would have liked, and they would have liked whatever. You know,
11:16
Speaker 1: people will kind of back up off certain people. Yeah,
11:18
Speaker 1: but I thought it was dope to just see the
11:20
Speaker 1: Dreamville homies still like hold you down.
11:22
Speaker 2: And yeah, and like I genuinely appreciated that because, like
11:25
Speaker 2: you said, it's one of them situations, especially because people
11:28
Speaker 2: don't all they know is what they see, And so
11:30
Speaker 2: we had the messy situation that was live in public,
11:33
Speaker 2: but you don't see like any of the mended relationships
11:36
Speaker 2: and some nothing like that right behind closed doors. So
11:38
Speaker 2: it's easy to be a person that's kind of in
11:40
Speaker 2: the middle that could be like, you know, like I'm
11:41
Speaker 2: just gonna be hands off. It's not that our own
11:43
Speaker 2: fuck a reason, but I just don't want to, you know,
11:45
Speaker 2: step on your toes and they really leaned in like
11:47
Speaker 2: they like literally I talked to damn near everybody from
11:50
Speaker 2: Dreamville after that shit happened, and they were just all
11:53
Speaker 2: like genuinely just like, yo, we hear if you need me,
11:56
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like if you need us
11:57
Speaker 2: from E B all the way down, like you know
11:59
Speaker 2: what I mean, like if you eat as we hear.
12:01
Speaker 2: But like you know, I'm you know, we rocking with you,
12:03
Speaker 2: and we're proud of you for standing for what you want.
12:05
Speaker 2: Because what's the point of doing this ship if you're
12:07
Speaker 2: not gonna be happy doing it?
12:08
Speaker 3: You know what I mean. That was kind of the
12:09
Speaker 3: sentiment all the way through.
12:11
Speaker 2: So those are homies, like I love him to death,
12:13
Speaker 2: Like I was just talking to Jid like a couple
12:14
Speaker 2: of weeks ago, like they it's all been the same
12:17
Speaker 2: with them.
12:17
Speaker 3: So Drainville got like they family with me.
12:19
Speaker 2: It's like some of the nicest people in all bro
12:21
Speaker 2: like the nice the nicest people, Like I always hanging
12:25
Speaker 2: out with Boss.
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Speaker 1: I'm like ya, Boss, like you're you're so cool, You're on.
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Speaker 3: Why are you that much of a great guy all
12:32
Speaker 3: the time?
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Speaker 2: You get what I'm saying, Like, yeah, it's crazy, you
12:35
Speaker 2: know what I mean like in bosses like man, him
12:37
Speaker 2: and EB are like the biggest hearted and it's even.
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Speaker 3: Coldes that way, Like like Cole bro Cod.
12:43
Speaker 2: Stayed on the phone with me one time for an hour,
12:45
Speaker 2: like helping me with like relationship problems. Wow, like I
12:49
Speaker 2: don't know you like that, you know what I mean? Like,
12:50
Speaker 2: and I text him and asked him a question. We
12:52
Speaker 2: were talking about music and then I just asked him
12:54
Speaker 2: for advice. I was drunk and I asked him for
12:56
Speaker 2: advice on some relationship.
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Speaker 3: Ship and he called me it's like tien p.
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Speaker 2: And we stayed on the phone for like hour hour
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Speaker 2: and a half like talk about relationship ship, Like he
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Speaker 2: don't he don't know me from a campaign, you know
13:07
Speaker 2: what I mean?
13:07
Speaker 3: Not pass like the music we made, that's it.
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Speaker 1: Can you pass on Jake the number one thing you
13:11
Speaker 1: took that you apply to future relationships from your Jake
13:13
Speaker 1: Cole conversation.
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Speaker 2: Man, you know it's crazy, And I'll tell you when
13:17
Speaker 2: we when we off camera, because it relates to like
13:19
Speaker 2: the times that we in. But one of the things
13:21
Speaker 2: that he said that that really stuck with me is
13:24
Speaker 2: he said, there's gonna be a time where you have
13:25
Speaker 2: to choose. You're gonna have to choose whether you want
13:27
Speaker 2: to give up like it's fun. We know it's fun.
13:31
Speaker 2: Like it's fun, it's addicted. You're gonna have to choose
13:33
Speaker 2: whether you want to give up that to grow up
13:37
Speaker 2: and have the other ship that. You don't know how
13:40
Speaker 2: much you're gonna love that, but I promise you're gonna
13:42
Speaker 2: love it on the other side.
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Speaker 3: But you don't know because you haven't experienced it. You
13:45
Speaker 3: have to choose if you're gonna give that up to
13:46
Speaker 3: be able to grow and have that, or if you're
13:48
Speaker 3: just never gonna have that.
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Speaker 1: And that's what he said.
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Speaker 2: He was like, and I'm not here to tell you
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Speaker 2: which one is for you, you know what I mean.
13:58
Speaker 2: He was like, but you're gonna you're gonna have to
14:00
Speaker 2: And he was basically saying, it's the same thing with
14:02
Speaker 2: like anything you chasing, Like if you're chasing a dream,
14:04
Speaker 2: like you're gonna have to choose if you chasing a dream,
14:06
Speaker 2: are you gonna give up the fun and the bullshit
14:08
Speaker 2: to exactly you know what I'm saying, Like, it's.
14:10
Speaker 3: The exact same thing, you know what I mean. So,
14:12
Speaker 3: but he went a little bit more in detail, I'll
14:14
Speaker 3: tell you when the cameras are man. Yeah, man, you.
14:18
Speaker 1: Know it's crazy to me because like, to me, the
14:20
Speaker 1: fall Off gets better and better every time I listen
14:22
Speaker 1: to it, Bru And.
14:24
Speaker 2: The Internet called me a cold stand, but I don't
14:26
Speaker 2: be giving.
14:27
Speaker 1: I think it's his second best album.
14:30
Speaker 3: That's what I got it as a second best album.
14:32
Speaker 1: And I'm just like, every time I listen to it,
14:35
Speaker 1: I'm like, I just don't understand that. Me and my
14:38
Speaker 1: boy Amen is not a big DJ. Man. He wouldn't
14:40
Speaker 1: mind me saying this, but he's not a big fan
14:42
Speaker 1: of the Cold album. And I'm like, dog, how this
14:44
Speaker 1: ship is?
14:44
Speaker 2: So you know, you know, you know what I think
14:46
Speaker 2: that Cole did if I could say my opinion wrong
14:49
Speaker 2: on this album, which even if there are my legends
14:52
Speaker 2: and my goats, I you know, criticize if I see fit,
14:56
Speaker 2: what I think he did wrong is that I don't
14:58
Speaker 2: think that he had a good enough pre roll because
15:00
Speaker 2: a lot of people went into the album expecting the
15:03
Speaker 2: Black Album, which what I mean by that is just
15:05
Speaker 2: like just a great rap body of work, and then
15:08
Speaker 2: they went into a concept album, and I feel like
15:11
Speaker 2: once it came out and people understood the concept and
15:14
Speaker 2: then they were able to live with it. The project grew,
15:17
Speaker 2: Whereas if you would have went in on the front end,
15:19
Speaker 2: you're just like, this is a lot exactly, Whereas if
15:22
Speaker 2: you go in on the front end already knowing like, Okay,
15:24
Speaker 2: he's talking about what he's twenty nine and thirty nine,
15:25
Speaker 2: and this is picking up from this, And I feel
15:26
Speaker 2: like people picked up on it after you get what
15:28
Speaker 2: I'm saying, and then it started to grow. And it's
15:30
Speaker 2: funny because like, literally even with our rollout with this project,
15:33
Speaker 2: I hit the group chat and I was like, what's
15:35
Speaker 2: happening with Coka, happened with us?
15:36
Speaker 3: We gotta do.
15:37
Speaker 2: We got to explain this project on the We got
15:39
Speaker 2: to communicate this project on the front end, and that's
15:41
Speaker 2: when we started doing a lot of content to explain it.
15:43
Speaker 2: That's when I decided to break it up into four
15:45
Speaker 2: disk and all that, because I was like, I want
15:46
Speaker 2: people to understand what they're listening to.
15:48
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I mean.
15:49
Speaker 1: But I feel like even if you would have did
15:51
Speaker 1: the first half one week and then the Friday after dress.
15:54
Speaker 3: I think it would have been received.
15:56
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying, Like, I just think it was
15:57
Speaker 2: all in the rollout, like he just kind of dropped
15:59
Speaker 2: this bitch. He just put it out, you know what
16:02
Speaker 2: I mean, Like, which is very Coleessee though, like he
16:04
Speaker 2: just cares about the music. That's all he really gives
16:06
Speaker 2: a funk about is the music and the shows, you
16:08
Speaker 2: know what I mean.
16:09
Speaker 1: So I want to know your thoughts. I've been seeing
16:11
Speaker 1: a lot of people critiquing Los Angeles Southern California hip hop,
16:19
Speaker 1: essentially saying like we've gotten to this space where a
16:24
Speaker 1: lot of LA artists are making the same kind of
16:25
Speaker 1: records and essentially doing their best Draco the Ruler renditions. Yeah, yeah, I've.
16:30
Speaker 3: Seen those conversations.
16:31
Speaker 1: But obviously you have been a part of the other
16:34
Speaker 1: side of the coin, which to me is like, you know,
16:37
Speaker 1: obviously the TD shit is, But what are your thoughts
16:40
Speaker 1: just on like the health of where we are?
16:43
Speaker 2: Honestly, yeah, I think it's a conversation that's blown out
16:45
Speaker 2: of proportion. Like I feel like everybody, I don't think
16:48
Speaker 2: it's an LA thing. I think it's like a hip
16:51
Speaker 2: hop thing. Like if you go to Atlanta, ninety percent
16:54
Speaker 2: of the Atlanta artists you find are going to sound
16:57
Speaker 2: the same. You know what, I'm saying, like, if you
16:58
Speaker 2: go to New York, niggas was making drill, like whatever
17:01
Speaker 2: the you know what I'm saying, whatever the hot sound is,
17:06
Speaker 2: ninety percent of the city is gonna do it.
17:08
Speaker 3: It's not an l A thing.
17:09
Speaker 2: And I also feel like the people that survive off
17:12
Speaker 2: of that content where they just keep you know, beating
17:15
Speaker 2: in your head.
17:15
Speaker 3: This is the LA problem. This is an LA. It's
17:17
Speaker 3: like y'all not listening to you're You're a part of
17:19
Speaker 3: the problem.
17:20
Speaker 2: You're literally there's so many LA artists that's doing for
17:22
Speaker 2: outher ship and you're not covering them. You're not talking
17:25
Speaker 2: about you know what I'm saying, You're not embracing them
17:27
Speaker 2: as part of LA. But it's almost like you push
17:30
Speaker 2: them out like that don't sound like LA. But then
17:31
Speaker 2: you get mad at people for sounding like you get
17:33
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, like it literally doesn't make sense.
17:35
Speaker 3: You look at what the yodi's like.
17:37
Speaker 2: What they're doing, bro, it's fire fire, you get what
17:41
Speaker 2: I'm saying, Like, it's like and they're successful in bubbling
17:44
Speaker 2: in their own lane. But it's like, why is nobody
17:46
Speaker 2: like when you talk about L A R. Why are
17:48
Speaker 2: you not Why are you not having them in the conversation.
17:51
Speaker 1: You know what, I'm killing it. They got bro.
17:54
Speaker 2: Like, they got they got the culture of what LA
17:56
Speaker 2: feels like. You know what I'm saying, like, why are
17:57
Speaker 2: you not talking about them? Why are you not talking
17:59
Speaker 2: about you know, like my project while you're not talking
18:02
Speaker 2: there's a bunch of artists that I have to do
18:04
Speaker 2: now not drop the Fire project. Like there's a bunch
18:06
Speaker 2: of dope LA artists that don't sound like that.
18:08
Speaker 1: TF got a crazy album?
18:10
Speaker 3: TF got a crazy album?
18:11
Speaker 2: Like, That's what I'm saying, Like, I listen to everybody,
18:13
Speaker 2: and so it's like I hear the different pockets and
18:16
Speaker 2: then it's like that allows me to be able to
18:18
Speaker 2: appreciate the fact that when somebody does make a quote
18:21
Speaker 2: unquote LA sounding album but it's really good, I can
18:23
Speaker 2: appreciate it because I'm not only listening to LA all
18:26
Speaker 2: the time to where that project might not fail on
18:29
Speaker 2: my ears the right way, because that's all I've been
18:31
Speaker 2: fucking diving into it.
18:32
Speaker 1: It's like too, it just is what it is. It's
18:34
Speaker 1: like there's like artists like Shortline Mafia who like run
18:38
Speaker 1: the radio right now in LA. Yep, that's a fact,
18:41
Speaker 1: and they're big everywhere. But like you, if you went
18:45
Speaker 1: to like I don't know, Atlanta or testa User or something,
18:49
Speaker 1: you're not gonna hear like YG Hollywood or you know,
18:54
Speaker 1: shortline Rock. But if you get in the car out here,
18:56
Speaker 1: it's like the best tests.
18:58
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Speaker 1: was hoping that the GNX moment would have resulted in
20:22
Speaker 1: that sound becoming more popular, popular for someone outside of Kendrick. Yeah,
20:27
Speaker 1: because it's like I feel like Kendrick could do whatever.
20:29
Speaker 3: And it's gonna work, like it if he made an
20:31
Speaker 3: opera album, We're gonna find a reason to like you.
20:34
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like Country Tomorrow, everybody make
20:37
Speaker 1: it not sense, like hell yeah.
20:39
Speaker 2: And that's and it's funny because like that's even with
20:41
Speaker 2: my own music, That's why I've always I've always kind
20:45
Speaker 2: of like like been kind of like giving pool with
20:49
Speaker 2: the going to La route because as much as I
20:52
Speaker 2: love LA music, I know that worldwide like it's not
20:55
Speaker 2: accepted in that type of way. You get I'm saying,
20:56
Speaker 2: like I got homies in New York that hate gn X,
20:58
Speaker 2: I don't get it.
20:59
Speaker 3: It's for me. It's my literally second or third favorite Kendrick.
21:03
Speaker 2: Lamer album, which is high for his discography, you know
21:05
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Like, and so.
21:07
Speaker 1: It's Sallas's favorite, Like it's Sallas's favorite, you know what
21:10
Speaker 1: I'm saying.
21:10
Speaker 3: Liked that's the favorite album.
21:15
Speaker 2: But I say that to say like it's like, like
21:17
Speaker 2: you said, it didn't resonate in the whole world wanting
21:20
Speaker 2: to hear our sound.
21:21
Speaker 3: You get what I'm saying.
21:22
Speaker 1: I thought that's what it was gonna come, not here
21:24
Speaker 1: and not like I'm like, Yo, this shit is. It
21:27
Speaker 1: feels like, oh, this might be a real turn. But
21:29
Speaker 1: I also I also got to say a lot of
21:31
Speaker 1: artists did not deliver on the other end of that,
21:36
Speaker 1: because I feel like the YG album that came out
21:38
Speaker 1: kind of came and went. You know what I'm saying,
21:40
Speaker 1: I feel like that was a moment.
21:42
Speaker 3: That's what I was just about to say that.
21:43
Speaker 2: I feel like, and I don't know what went into
21:46
Speaker 2: the process of picking the artists that were on gn X,
21:49
Speaker 2: I don't know, but I feel like if Dot would
21:52
Speaker 2: have picked more artists that are more consistent in their
21:56
Speaker 2: art to be on there, I feel like it would
21:58
Speaker 2: have I feel like post g X would have went differently,
22:01
Speaker 2: like if if West Side Boogie was on there and
22:05
Speaker 2: then he drops after that, you get what I'm saying.
22:08
Speaker 2: There's a lot of artists I can name, I go
22:09
Speaker 2: down a long list, but I feel like if he
22:11
Speaker 2: would have picked artists that are just more consistent in
22:13
Speaker 2: their business and their delivery of art and stuff like that,
22:15
Speaker 2: I feel like the post would have went a lot better.
22:17
Speaker 3: In my opinion.
22:18
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think like, obviously shout to Paso. Paso is
22:20
Speaker 1: going crazy while he's going crazy, but I feel like
22:23
Speaker 1: there's like a few urs You're like, I mean, it's
22:25
Speaker 1: like those spots could have went. Yeah, delivered a very
22:29
Speaker 1: memorable moment on that album, for sure, and it got
22:32
Speaker 1: a Grammy for sure, you know, but I do think
22:35
Speaker 1: I'm like, damn, it'd been nice if like Zoe was
22:37
Speaker 1: on there or like even though I know o GZ
22:41
Speaker 1: is huge in the Superstar, but he's not like Kendrick.
22:45
Speaker 3: That's what I like.
22:45
Speaker 2: If you would that sound like shortline, like shortline, you
22:49
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, Like those type of like artists.
22:52
Speaker 2: I feel like it would have resonated in the music
22:55
Speaker 2: traveling farther after gn X, you know what I'm saying.
22:58
Speaker 1: Like, and I think that's another one because he took
23:00
Speaker 1: it and I just got to.
23:02
Speaker 3: Like Tike Is.
23:03
Speaker 2: I've been telling people Shrike is is. He's been one
23:05
Speaker 2: of my favorite West Coast.
23:06
Speaker 1: Whatever they're doing right now with the album, they're overthinking.
23:09
Speaker 3: Bro.
23:10
Speaker 1: I literally just put we were at your birthday, but
23:12
Speaker 1: were at your birthday part.
23:13
Speaker 2: I walked up the hike and I literally the first
23:15
Speaker 2: thing I said, I said, whatever you think is not.
23:18
Speaker 3: Done, it's done. Just put it. I said, just put
23:20
Speaker 3: it out.
23:21
Speaker 2: That's literally the words that I said, whatever you Thinkike,
23:23
Speaker 2: that's not done, put it out?
23:24
Speaker 3: What promise you was done? Put it out, work it,
23:27
Speaker 3: repeat and then repeat the process.
23:29
Speaker 1: It's like something like or like it's like, this is
23:31
Speaker 1: how you got here, bro.
23:32
Speaker 2: This is literally how I became a fan of Tike
23:35
Speaker 2: because I kept hearing Shrike and I kept finding right
23:38
Speaker 2: Shike records that I fuck with.
23:39
Speaker 1: I love him, and Roucie had a dope colab.
23:42
Speaker 3: Super crazy shout out to shout out to Roochie.
23:44
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's what I mean, Like, I feel like
23:46
Speaker 2: if that was the pocket of artists and that's not
23:50
Speaker 2: at all the ship on the So when y'all hear
23:51
Speaker 2: the Young Mad whatever, but I think it would have went,
23:54
Speaker 2: you know what I mean a little bit better post
23:56
Speaker 2: post your next for sure.
23:58
Speaker 1: All Right, So if this is the Pink album, what
24:00
Speaker 1: colors next? Or are there other colors coming?
24:02
Speaker 2: There are other colors coming, There's there's there's two more
24:04
Speaker 2: colors coming. And I'm even flirting. This is a far
24:07
Speaker 2: out idea. I didn't even told Salard ship, but I'm
24:09
Speaker 2: even flirting on if I if I spin back and
24:11
Speaker 2: do the color series again in like a couple of years,
24:13
Speaker 2: then I might make every.
24:14
Speaker 3: Color a collab album.
24:15
Speaker 2: So I might grab, like for Blue, I might grab
24:18
Speaker 2: another artist and do that album with Blue and there
24:21
Speaker 2: from Pink might grab like an R and B artists.
24:23
Speaker 3: Yeah, something like that.
24:23
Speaker 2: But we got Red coming, and then I'm not ready
24:26
Speaker 2: to talk about the last color yet because I'm still
24:28
Speaker 2: working out some of the details.
24:29
Speaker 3: I don't want it to change. But Red is coming
24:31
Speaker 3: to Red is coming like fast.
24:32
Speaker 1: So Red, Yeah, we're spending the box of Red. Yeah.
24:35
Speaker 2: And so it all, it all coincides. It's like everything
24:37
Speaker 2: in my soul is moving towards love. But I'm too
24:40
Speaker 2: trapped in the city. And so that's just the first
24:42
Speaker 2: time I'm giving that name of that album, which is
24:44
Speaker 2: trapped in the city.
24:45
Speaker 1: Okay, so the Red album is trapped in the city.
24:47
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, that very la centric album, exactly. And I
24:53
Speaker 2: love being able to drop these so close because, like
24:55
Speaker 2: I said, it takes away that fear of like an
24:57
Speaker 2: artist being like what if my this Like you said,
24:59
Speaker 2: what if this fan?
25:00
Speaker 3: It's like, well, right, pink is right there, you know
25:04
Speaker 3: what I mean, Blue is right there, Red is right there.
25:06
Speaker 3: So if there's different versions of reason that you liked more,
25:10
Speaker 3: that music is still there. You get what I'm saying.
25:12
Speaker 1: So can you speak from the artist's perspective and experience,
25:15
Speaker 1: because you have a unique experience where you've been on
25:17
Speaker 1: the opposite, the opposite end of the spectrum where you
25:20
Speaker 1: drop very seldomly to where now you're able to drop
25:23
Speaker 1: when you want. And I know a lot of artists,
25:27
Speaker 1: whether they're independent, whether they're a major artist, whatever, it
25:29
Speaker 1: is a lot of times they'll overthink putting music out
25:34
Speaker 1: and you know, adding to the catalog at a pace
25:37
Speaker 1: that you know, because I feel like people overthink everything. Man,
25:40
Speaker 1: I don't got enough content shot.
25:42
Speaker 2: Or people overthink everything down to like the posts that
25:45
Speaker 2: they post on you know.
25:47
Speaker 3: What I mean.
25:47
Speaker 1: So I want to just from your perspective, man, like,
25:49
Speaker 1: how does it feel to be able to just be
25:52
Speaker 1: free and be like, Yo, we're not overthinking this. I
25:54
Speaker 1: mean obviously you're you're putting thought into it because you're
25:56
Speaker 1: showing these concept albums, but just is it like a liberal?
26:00
Speaker 3: Is it work?
26:01
Speaker 1: Like do you regret being like yo, we drop back
26:04
Speaker 1: to back now.
26:05
Speaker 2: It's it's literally one of those things where because I
26:08
Speaker 2: am even still in my life, I'm an overthinker, but
26:10
Speaker 2: it's one of those things where when you get freedom
26:14
Speaker 2: taken away from you. It's like anytime that I'm thinking
26:17
Speaker 2: about overthinking something.
26:19
Speaker 3: That's what I go to is the fact that, like
26:22
Speaker 3: you fought to have the ability to do this.
26:25
Speaker 2: You get what I'm saying, Like, even me and Salla's
26:26
Speaker 2: talk about it all the time, like I'll hit him
26:28
Speaker 2: and I'll be like, bro, like the dish ro is
26:30
Speaker 2: just like every fucking day to call him my phone,
26:32
Speaker 2: call him and sounds like, well, nigga, you ask for this,
26:34
Speaker 2: like this is what you want you, this is what
26:35
Speaker 2: you want it, you know what I mean. And so
26:36
Speaker 2: it's like when I am about to overthink something, that's
26:39
Speaker 2: the way I view it, and I just always tell
26:43
Speaker 2: myself like, it's never It's never what you think. It
26:46
Speaker 2: is basically saying like you you get up to play
26:48
Speaker 2: and you want to hit a homer every time. You're
26:50
Speaker 2: not going to hit a home run every time. So
26:51
Speaker 2: it's like, why are you overthinking it? Just swing the back,
26:54
Speaker 2: make contact, you know what I'm saying, and get on base,
26:57
Speaker 2: and then sooner or later you'll not want you know
26:59
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, You'll not going out the park, you
27:00
Speaker 2: know what I mean. But I think that that's what
27:02
Speaker 2: artists do is they just overthink, overthink, overthink, and they
27:05
Speaker 2: don't understand that while you're overthinking, especially if you had
27:07
Speaker 2: a moment and a wave, if you're overthinking, you lose
27:11
Speaker 2: the moment. Like the only way you can lose it
27:12
Speaker 2: is if you give your moment or fire or gas
27:17
Speaker 2: away to somebody else. And the easiest way to do
27:19
Speaker 2: that is by just literally not doing anything.
27:22
Speaker 1: By just sitting on the bench.
27:23
Speaker 2: Just sitting on the bench, bro, just sitting on the bench.
27:25
Speaker 2: And you know, if you're a huge artist, you can
27:27
Speaker 2: do that. If you're Frank Ocean, if you're a Sisa,
27:29
Speaker 2: if you're Drake, you can sit and then wait for
27:32
Speaker 2: three years and then you know, when you come back,
27:34
Speaker 2: it'll be it'll be a moment. But if you're not,
27:36
Speaker 2: you gotta it's too much going on in this world, bro,
27:39
Speaker 2: Like people's attention span is so short.
27:42
Speaker 1: All right, So look this album is out. You got
27:45
Speaker 1: the record with Eric Bellinger's Dope. I know you got
27:47
Speaker 1: a video for that out, are you? Are you? You
27:50
Speaker 1: already got the next thing like finished?
27:52
Speaker 3: Yeaheah. Yeah.
27:53
Speaker 2: So we we just dropped the Humbleum video with Couzins.
27:57
Speaker 2: That was yesterday, if I'm right, Yeah, yesterday, we just
27:59
Speaker 2: dropped that video. We're gonna shoot a video for uh
28:02
Speaker 2: fuck Up the Vibe. That's FEU TV on the project
28:04
Speaker 2: with Kaylin.
28:05
Speaker 1: Uh.
28:05
Speaker 2: So we're gonna shoot a video for that and then
28:08
Speaker 2: my director Chris, I'm kind of giving him creative control.
28:11
Speaker 2: He wants to shoot two different videos, so I told him,
28:13
Speaker 2: whatever songs he want to shoot, you know what I mean,
28:15
Speaker 2: we can knock them out. And Chris is like the
28:17
Speaker 2: best when it comes to like the creative shitt and
28:18
Speaker 2: stuff like that. So we're doing that. And then honestly,
28:21
Speaker 2: other than that, just gearing enough for shows. We got
28:23
Speaker 2: to show up the rock Sy on the twenty eighth,
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Speaker 2: May twenty eighth, so if you' all in town, please
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Speaker 2: pop up to that twenty eighth. If you're in New York,
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Speaker 2: we got to show on May fourteenth at the Racket.
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Speaker 2: And I'm just working, bro like it's it's literally NonStop
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Speaker 2: and it's tiring, but I'm having fun doing it, you
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Speaker 2: know what i mean.
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Speaker 1: So and then I'm assuming we're gonna get this other
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Speaker 1: album before the end of the summer.
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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, one thousand got it got to be in
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Speaker 2: the summer. It gotta get a summer. So yeah, we
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Speaker 2: we sprinting racing too that to like to make sure
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Speaker 2: that we get that one turned in. And so, uh,
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Speaker 2: that one I'm gonna have to pull up on niggas
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Speaker 2: to get my cause I wanted to be feature heavy,
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Speaker 2: but I don't want to wait on la niggas you
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Speaker 2: about to say, you know, I gotta pull like I
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Speaker 2: need this, literally got to pull up. That's how I
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Speaker 2: got the Kaylin record. And I've been knowing Kaala since
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Speaker 2: we was kids.
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Speaker 1: You gotta pull up.
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Speaker 2: I just yeah, caught out and say, hey, what are
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Speaker 2: you doing like I'm about to just pull up to night? Yeah, exactly,
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Speaker 2: and my man, he late the.
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Speaker 1: Verse there is my dog. I appreciate your reason. Go sport.
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Speaker 1: The album's out right now, moving towards Love Pink and
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Speaker 1: uh yeah. I mean we're gonna get a lot of
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Speaker 1: new music this year.
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Speaker 3: A lot of new music this year.
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Speaker 1: I do appreciate you. May always go watch the freestyle
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Speaker 1: we just did two manes out right now.
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Speaker 3: That's just what's westo.
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