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#34 When Life Meets Death · Deep-Grace Diving with Tim Wright and Terey Summers

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  Hey friends,
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  let me be one of the last to wish you a very happy new year.
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  SPEAKER_00: even though John and I are recording today on January 1st.
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  So I technically,
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  I could see a happy new year,
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  but we're releasing this a week later.
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  SPEAKER_00: So a late happy new year to each and every one of you.
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  SPEAKER_00: You are listening to the Deep Grace Diving Podcast.
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  SPEAKER_00: My name is Tim Wright here with John D. Burgess.
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  SPEAKER_00: And Terry today is home recovering from some sort of flu bug.
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  SPEAKER_00: So we are glad that John can join us today.
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  the Deep Grace Diving podcast.
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  The more the merrier as we continue our walk through the Gospel
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  of Mark together,
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  highlighting mainly the stories because they're a little easier
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  for us to dive into
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  SPEAKER_00: with our imaginations.
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  SPEAKER_00: And today, John, we've got, it's a lengthy story,
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  But it is an interesting story because of the themes that tie
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  it together.
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  I've titled this When Life Meets Death,
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  and we're going to see why here in just a moment.
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  SPEAKER_00: We're looking at Mark chapter 5, verses 21 and
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  SPEAKER_00: through 43.
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  SPEAKER_00: And John, I believe you have got this up in the New Living Translation.
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  SPEAKER_00: And once again,
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  SPEAKER_00: folks,
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  SPEAKER_00: it's a little longer story,
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  SPEAKER_00: but I think it'd be good to hear it before we talk about it.
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  SPEAKER_00: So John D.
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  SPEAKER_00: Burgess,
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  if you would turn on that amazing reading voice you have and
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  that voice that you
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  SPEAKER_00: use in the law court.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'm ready.
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  When you've got that jag moment and they're on the stand and
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  you say that one
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  sentence that the Perry Mason moment that breaks them and
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  brings the whole jury to
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  SPEAKER_00: their feet.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm still waiting for that moment, unfortunately.
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  But I'm wondering what it says about you and I that we're
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  spending our New Year's
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  SPEAKER_01: Day studying for,
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  SPEAKER_01: preparing for,
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  SPEAKER_01: and recording a podcast.
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  SPEAKER_00: It seems like we are really committed.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's right.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, God bless you and God bless those folks that are listening as well.
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  SPEAKER_01: Better to listen to one on New Year's Day,
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  SPEAKER_01: I think,
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  SPEAKER_01: than study for it and prepare one and record it.
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  SPEAKER_01: So in any event, here we go.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is from the Gospel of Mark, starting with verse 21.
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  Jesus got into the boat again and went back to the other side
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  of the lake,
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  SPEAKER_01: where a huge,
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  SPEAKER_01: large crowd gathered around him on the shore.
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  SPEAKER_01: Then a leader of the local synagogue, whose name was Jairus, arrived.
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  SPEAKER_01: When he saw Jesus,
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  SPEAKER_01: he fell at his feet,
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  SPEAKER_01: pleading fervently with him,
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  SPEAKER_01: My little daughter is dying,
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  SPEAKER_01: he said.
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  SPEAKER_01: Please come and lay your hands on her.
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  SPEAKER_01: Heal her so she can live.
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  SPEAKER_01: Jesus went with him, and all of the people followed, crowding around him.
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  SPEAKER_01: A woman in the crowd had suffered for 12 years with constant bleeding.
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  SPEAKER_01: She had suffered a great deal from many doctors,
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  SPEAKER_01: and over the years she had spent everything she had to pay them,
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  SPEAKER_01: but she had gotten no better.
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  SPEAKER_01: In fact, she had gotten worse.
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  She had heard about Jesus,
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  so she came up behind him through the crowd and touched his robe.
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  For she thought to herself,
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  if I can just touch his robe,
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  I will be healed.
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  And immediately the bleeding stopped and she could feel in her
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  body that she had
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  SPEAKER_01: been healed of this terrible condition.
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  SPEAKER_01: Jesus realized at once that healing power had gone from him.
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  SPEAKER_01: So he turned around in the crowd and said, who touched my robe?
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  SPEAKER_01: His disciples said to him, look at this crowd pressing around you.
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  SPEAKER_01: How can you ask who touched me?
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  SPEAKER_01: But he kept on looking around to see who done it.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then the frightened woman,
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  SPEAKER_01: trembling at the realization of what happened to her,
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  SPEAKER_01: came and fell to her knees in front of him,
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  SPEAKER_01: and told him what she had done.
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  SPEAKER_01: And he said to her, Daughter, your faith has made you well.
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  SPEAKER_01: Go in peace.
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  SPEAKER_01: Your suffering is over.
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  SPEAKER_01: While he was still speaking to her,
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  SPEAKER_01: messengers arrived from the home of Jairus,
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  SPEAKER_01: the leader of the synagogue,
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  SPEAKER_01: and they told him,
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  SPEAKER_01: Your daughter is dead.
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  SPEAKER_01: There's no trouble in the teacher now.
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  SPEAKER_01: But Jesus overheard them and said to Jairus, Don't be afraid.
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  SPEAKER_01: Just have faith.
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  And then Jesus stopped the crowd and wouldn't let anyone go
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  with him except Peter,
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  SPEAKER_01: James,
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  SPEAKER_01: and John,
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  SPEAKER_01: the brother of James.
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  SPEAKER_01: When they came to the home of the synagogue leader,
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  SPEAKER_01: Jesus saw much commotion and weeping and wailing.
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  SPEAKER_01: He went inside and asked, why all this commotion and weeping?
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  SPEAKER_01: The child isn't dead.
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  SPEAKER_01: She's only asleep.
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  SPEAKER_01: The crowd laughed at him.
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  SPEAKER_01: But he made them all leave,
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  and he took the girl's father and mother and his three
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  disciples into the room
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  SPEAKER_01: where the girl was lying.
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  Holding her hand,
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  he said to her,
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  Talitha Combe,
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  which means little girl,
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  get up.
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  And the girl,
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  who was 12 years old,
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  immediately stood up and walked around.
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  SPEAKER_01: They were overwhelmed and totally amazed.
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  SPEAKER_01: Jesus gave them strict orders not to tell anyone what happened,
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  SPEAKER_01: and then he told them to give her something to eat.
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  SPEAKER_00: All right,
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  SPEAKER_00: there is at least a podcast worth of stuff in those two stories,
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  SPEAKER_00: which are tied together,
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  SPEAKER_00: as we'll see,
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  SPEAKER_00: by the number 12 and by death and faith and life,
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  SPEAKER_00: of course.
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  Could have called this the heart and soul of faith would be
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  another way to talk
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  SPEAKER_00: about it because we do see differing examples of what faith looks like.
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  SPEAKER_00: Just to step back and give a quick context to the story,
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  SPEAKER_00: it has been a while since we've been in the Gospel of Mark together,
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  SPEAKER_00: took a little break over the Christmas season.
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  The story right before this is when Jesus has been over on the
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  wrong side of the lake,
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  SPEAKER_00: the pagan side,
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  SPEAKER_00: and there he casts the legion of demons out of the man into the pigs,
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  SPEAKER_00: and then the pigs,
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  SPEAKER_00: of course,
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  SPEAKER_00: rush down into their death.
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  SPEAKER_00: So when it says that he crossed again in the boat to the other side,
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  SPEAKER_00: it means he comes back now to the Jewish side of the lake.
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  SPEAKER_00: And right away, we've got this great crowd around him.
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  SPEAKER_00: And his fame,
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  SPEAKER_00: even though many times Jesus has said,
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  SPEAKER_00: don't tell anybody about me,
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  SPEAKER_00: there they are.
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  SPEAKER_00: And they want to hear him.
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  SPEAKER_00: They want to see a miracle.
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  And those who hang around are going to see a couple of them,
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  actually,
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  as they go along.
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  So John,
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  as you,
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  there are obviously a lot of things to tease out in this story.
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  You and I have done this story together a few times in our
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  men's Bible study.
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  What are some of the things initially as you were reading the
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  story stood out for you?
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  Yeah,
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  I think that I always have,
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  I think,
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  unusual parts of a story that stick out mostly to me.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so I'm always amazed that
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  at the way he tells it right it's sort of beautifully written
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  in that um you have
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  this plea at the very beginning and then we sort of take a
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  pause from that and then
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  we come back to that a little bit later and to me you know if
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  those of us who have
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  children if our if our daughters or sons are suffering in any
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  way that is that's
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  top of mind that doesn't go away and so it's just interesting
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  to me that um
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  SPEAKER_01: that there's a little bit of, I hear you and I got it.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then I turned to this and then I come back to this right there.
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  SPEAKER_01: And there's probably a lesson there in patience,
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  SPEAKER_01: which I am still trying to learn and don't really learn very well.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um,
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  SPEAKER_01: I think that number two,
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  SPEAKER_01: it's always amazing to me that,
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  SPEAKER_01: and I think this is maybe the only part in the gospels where there's a,
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  SPEAKER_01: there's this discussion of some,
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  SPEAKER_01: some healing energy being transferred and,
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  SPEAKER_01: and feeling that and,
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  SPEAKER_01: and,
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  SPEAKER_01: um,
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  SPEAKER_01: I,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: I love the,
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  SPEAKER_01: the,
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  SPEAKER_01: the woman coming back to Jesus and with complete trepidation,
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  SPEAKER_01: like what's going to,
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean,
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  SPEAKER_01: obviously like,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: am I in trouble type thing?
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  SPEAKER_01: And then honestly,
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  SPEAKER_01: my favorite part of this whole,
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  SPEAKER_01: this whole part is the very last sentence where after he,
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  SPEAKER_01: after he,
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  SPEAKER_01: he raises this little girl,
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  SPEAKER_01: it's totally amazing,
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  SPEAKER_01: right?
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, what just happened in this house is,
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  SPEAKER_01: is a miracle.
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  SPEAKER_01: And we use that,
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  SPEAKER_01: we sometimes throw that word around lightly in today's culture,
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  SPEAKER_01: and we shouldn't,
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  SPEAKER_01: right?
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  But what happened here is without adequate description of the
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  amazement that
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  SPEAKER_01: happened in this house.
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  SPEAKER_01: And Jesus could have just left,
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  SPEAKER_01: but he actually takes a moment and says,
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  SPEAKER_01: please give her something to eat.
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  SPEAKER_01: And to me, that's so tender and caring.
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  SPEAKER_01: And apparently getting raised from the dead is hard work, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: Because you're hungry and I can just see all the bewilderment.
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  SPEAKER_01: And Jesus is like,
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  SPEAKER_01: in my mind,
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  SPEAKER_01: thinking,
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  SPEAKER_01: okay,
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm moving on now,
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  SPEAKER_01: but you probably want to get her a little something to eat.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's a wonderful little part of the story.
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  SPEAKER_00: And as you were telling it,
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  my mind leaped to the story in John where Jesus has been raised
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  from the dead.
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  SPEAKER_00: And one of the things that he does,
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  SPEAKER_00: first things that he does with his disciples is he eats a meal with them.
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  SPEAKER_00: And how important that was.
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  SPEAKER_00: And partly,
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  SPEAKER_00: of course,
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  SPEAKER_00: Jesus is here as attending to a girl who has been sick,
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  SPEAKER_00: who's probably very weak.
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  has crossed from death back into life and so needs some food to
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  sustain her,
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  SPEAKER_00: get her energy back.
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  But also,
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  if you actually see her up eating,
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  you know,
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  well,
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  she's not a ghost.
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  SPEAKER_00: She's a real person.
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  And so on many levels,
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  this story,
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  without saying it,
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  this story is just so rich and so deep.
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  SPEAKER_00: So let's go back,
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  and this time we're going to walk through almost verse by verse
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  because there are
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  SPEAKER_00: so many good things here.
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  SPEAKER_00: So we'll tie John in and out during this.
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  SPEAKER_00: So Jesus gets out of a boat.
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  SPEAKER_00: We think this might be somewhere near Capernaum,
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  SPEAKER_00: which was on the northern side of the Sea of Galilee,
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  SPEAKER_00: which was Jesus' home base.
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  And there was in Capernaum,
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  there was and are still the remnants of a synagogue.
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  And when we think of synagogues today,
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  we usually think of houses of worship.
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  SPEAKER_00: But in Jesus' day, they weren't first and foremost houses of worship.
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  SPEAKER_00: They were community centers.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so a lot of different kinds of meetings would be there.
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  SPEAKER_00: And one of the meetings they would have would be their Sabbath gathering.
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  And so the leader of the synagogue wouldn't necessarily be the
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  primary speaker,
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  SPEAKER_00: although he might be,
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  but he's also sort of the events coordinator and doing all the
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  work that happens in
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  SPEAKER_00: the synagogue.
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  SPEAKER_00: And interestingly, as we will come up here in just a moment,
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  Part of the job of the synagogue leader is to sort of make sure
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  that the synagogue stays pure.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so he's the gatekeeper.
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  SPEAKER_00: Those who are impure, you know, maybe they've been too close to a leper.
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  SPEAKER_00: Maybe they have been too close to a corpse and haven't had time to...
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  SPEAKER_00: go through the process of ritual cleansing.
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  SPEAKER_00: Maybe a woman is in the midst of her menstruation period.
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  SPEAKER_00: All these different things that make someone impure.
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  It's his responsibility to make sure that they aren't in the
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  synagogue in those
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  SPEAKER_00: times when they shouldn't be.
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  And then right away he encounters someone who would not be
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  allowed into the synagogue.
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  SPEAKER_00: And this is the one with the bleeding problem.
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  Now,
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  Tim,
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  there's probably things that make the synagogue ceremonially or
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  ritually impure.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's probably a very long list.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you just threw out three or four.
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  SPEAKER_01: We could be talking about 100 items.
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  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
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  SPEAKER_01: Or more.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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  Yes,
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  and we think of the big ones because they're the ones that tend
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  to be mentioned the most.
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  SPEAKER_00: A menstruation problem,
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  SPEAKER_00: if you've been around someone who had a skin disease,
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  SPEAKER_00: you can't go in if you've got leprosy.
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  SPEAKER_00: And if you buried someone,
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  there were a certain amount of days that you had to remain away
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  from other people
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  SPEAKER_00: and then go through the ritual baths and so on.
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  um so yeah so those would be the kinds of things that that it
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  you know it's
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  different but it's not a like sort of saying look if you've got
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  a cold or if you've
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  got covid if you've got pneumonia you probably shouldn't be
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  around people we don't
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  want this thing spreading yeah and now these were on a little
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  different level in
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  some ways because they were not just physical things but they
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  were also related to
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  SPEAKER_00: spiritual understandings but
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  SPEAKER_00: Yes, that was his job.
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  SPEAKER_00: And he's the one who comes to Jesus.
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  SPEAKER_00: And he is begging Jesus for his help,
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  SPEAKER_00: saying,
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  SPEAKER_00: my little daughter,
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  SPEAKER_00: and it'll be interesting now,
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  SPEAKER_00: he calls her little daughter here,
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  SPEAKER_00: and we're just using English,
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  SPEAKER_00: so I haven't dived into the Greek.
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  My little daughter,
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  and she's 12,
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  so she's a little daughter,
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  is at the point of death.
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  SPEAKER_00: Come and lay your hands on her so that she may be made well and live.
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  SPEAKER_00: So Jesus went with him.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now here we see,
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  SPEAKER_00: in an instance,
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  SPEAKER_00: an act of faith in that he comes to Jesus and asks for Jesus' help.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's also in some ways an act of desperation.
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  SPEAKER_00: If Jesus doesn't come, Jesus is his last hope.
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  SPEAKER_00: And part of the reason why we can read into that
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  SPEAKER_00: is because in the next story, Jesus is the woman's last hope.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so we have two people who are expressing faith,
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  SPEAKER_00: not as in this strong confidence,
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  although there may have been some of that because they've heard
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  of Jesus and they
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  SPEAKER_00: know what he can do.
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  But like many of us,
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  they're coming to Jesus out of real need and desperation.
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  SPEAKER_00: Jesus, I need your help.
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  SPEAKER_00: I have nowhere else to go.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that is...
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  SPEAKER_00: faith that obviously Jesus recognizes and Jesus responds to.
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  SPEAKER_00: Oftentimes when we talk about faith or we hear people talk about faith,
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  SPEAKER_00: it's having this deep trust in God,
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  SPEAKER_00: this deep confidence.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's knowing beyond all doubt, certainty.
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  SPEAKER_00: My hunch is that for these two people who are in deep trauma and crisis,
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  SPEAKER_00: it's pure adrenaline fueled by need
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  SPEAKER_00: that is the background and backdrop to their faith.
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  SPEAKER_00: And there's, it's okay.
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  Because it's not,
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  in the end,
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  it's not about their faith,
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  it's about Jesus who heals them.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so can we say this, it might be a mustard seed faith?
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  SPEAKER_00: Sure, sure.
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  SPEAKER_00: Obviously, there's something there.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's something about Jesus.
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  They just didn't snatch this out of the air and think,
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  well,
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  hey,
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  look at that guy.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'll bet he could heal my daughter.
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  There's something about Jesus that has moved faith in them,
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  has drawn them to Jesus.
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  SPEAKER_00: So Jesus is the source of their faith.
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  SPEAKER_00: But they may not have a lot of details about him at this point.
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  SPEAKER_00: They maybe just know, hey, this is a guy who heals.
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  SPEAKER_00: I need someone to heal my daughter.
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  SPEAKER_00: I need someone to heal my body.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm going to that guy.
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  SPEAKER_00: So yes,
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  SPEAKER_00: there's something there that Jesus has,
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  SPEAKER_00: that at least the reputation of Jesus has implanted in them.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then that motivates them to go to Jesus.
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  SPEAKER_00: So Jesus is still the source, the object of faith.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I would say the source of faith for them,
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  SPEAKER_00: even though in this case,
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  SPEAKER_00: it comes across as some desperation.
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  And many of our listeners,
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  many of us,
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  you and I,
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  we've had those moments when we just,
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  SPEAKER_00: We don't know where else to turn.
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  SPEAKER_00: And Jesus, you got to do something.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  And unfortunately,
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  doesn't always act in the way that happens in this story.
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  And but what these stories are trying to do is give us a sense
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  of who Jesus is at this point.
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  SPEAKER_00: So obviously,
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  they're going to focus on the stories where we see a physical
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  healings to create
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  SPEAKER_00: more faith than us.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so I'm going to ask you about that.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm going to foreshadow here, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: So like they're doing in the story.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm going to,
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  SPEAKER_01: of course,
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  SPEAKER_01: the big question,
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  SPEAKER_01: and I don't want to disrupt your flow here,
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  SPEAKER_01: but the big question,
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  SPEAKER_01: of course,
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  is what do we say to those folks who are crying out in
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  desperation with their
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  SPEAKER_01: mustard seed of faith and they don't see action?
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  SPEAKER_01: They don't see what they're asking for.
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  SPEAKER_01: But you can save that till later if you want.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, I think we need to.
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  SPEAKER_00: for like another podcast 10 years from now.
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  SPEAKER_01: That'll be helpful.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we'll get there.
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  SPEAKER_00: So a large crowd is following Jesus,
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  SPEAKER_00: pressing in on him,
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  SPEAKER_00: which means that they're so close that they're bumping into him,
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  SPEAKER_00: they're jousting him.
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  SPEAKER_00: There was a woman who'd been suffering from hemorrhages for 12 years.
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  So in one way to think about it is a woman who has had her
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  menstruation period
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  SPEAKER_00: continually for 12 years.
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  SPEAKER_00: You and I can't relate to that.
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  SPEAKER_00: A lot of people in our audience surely can.
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  SPEAKER_00: She'd endured much under many physicians,
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  SPEAKER_00: had spent all that she had and was no better,
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  SPEAKER_00: but rather grew worse.
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  SPEAKER_00: So she's out of hope.
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  SPEAKER_00: Jesus is her last resort.
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  She heard about Jesus,
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  came up behind him in the crowd,
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  and touched his cloak.
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  SPEAKER_00: For she said, if I touch his clothes, I will be made well.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now,
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  SPEAKER_00: one of the things that I learned when I was in Israel,
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  SPEAKER_00: and then later had this confirmed,
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  was that there was a belief among some people that the way you
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  knew you were the Messiah...
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  or that someone was the Messiah was you could touch his,
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  it would have been him.
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  SPEAKER_00: You could touch the hem of his robes and you would be healed.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so guys,
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  SPEAKER_00: some Orthodox Jews would walk around with long tails on their cloaks,
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  SPEAKER_00: on their robes,
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  SPEAKER_00: so that people would be able to reach out and grab them.
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  SPEAKER_00: And if people reached out and grabbed their robe and were healed,
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  SPEAKER_00: they would know that they were the Messiah.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so whether this was a biblical concept or a popular notion,
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  this woman has the sense of that storyline that if she can just
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  touch Jesus and if
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  SPEAKER_00: he's the real deal,
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  SPEAKER_00: which she thinks he is,
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  SPEAKER_00: she's gonna be healed just by touching his clothes.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, why would she do this so incognito?
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, number one, she's deeply embarrassed.
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  the shame of living with that kind of impurity all of her life
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  meant that she was
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  SPEAKER_00: pretty much ostracized all the time from people.
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  SPEAKER_00: She's a woman.
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  SPEAKER_00: And once again, we have a nameless woman.
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  And she really shouldn't be in that crowd because everybody
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  she's bumping into,
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  SPEAKER_00: she's making impure.
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  And so here we have another one of those stories where rather
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  than Jesus taking on
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  SPEAKER_00: the impurity...
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  By being touched by her,
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  the person who's impure takes on a new purity by the touch of Jesus.
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  SPEAKER_00: So he reverses the process.
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  SPEAKER_00: So by touching Jesus, technically, he would have been made impure.
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  SPEAKER_00: But instead, he wasn't made impure.
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  SPEAKER_00: She was made pure.
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  SPEAKER_00: She was made whole.
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  SPEAKER_00: Again, the bleeding stopped.
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  SPEAKER_00: And for whatever reason, Jesus senses this.
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  SPEAKER_00: And the reason why he calls her out is not to shame her.
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  SPEAKER_00: but to assure her, not to shame her, but to assure her.
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  SPEAKER_00: First of all, to let her know, yeah, you were really healed.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's not just in your brain.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's not just in your mind.
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  SPEAKER_00: You're not going to walk away three minutes from now.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then it's going to start again.
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  SPEAKER_00: He wants her to know she's really healed.
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  SPEAKER_00: And he also wants to say something significant to her.
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  SPEAKER_00: And he does it by calling her daughter.
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  So she's not just this nameless,
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  impure woman who's completely on her own.
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  SPEAKER_00: She's a daughter.
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  SPEAKER_00: She's the daughter of God.
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  SPEAKER_00: She belongs to the community of faith.
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  SPEAKER_00: So she receives a deep word of affirmation.
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  SPEAKER_00: A few weeks ago,
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  we talked about lepers never being touched and what it must
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  have been like to be
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  SPEAKER_00: touched by Jesus for the first time.
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  And now in another way,
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  Jesus touches her,
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  but through the language of love.
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  SPEAKER_00: This woman who has been told by doctor after doctor,
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  SPEAKER_00: you're not going to get well,
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  SPEAKER_00: you're impure.
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  SPEAKER_00: She's not able to marry.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then Jesus calls her daughter.
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  And how moving that must have been for her in that moment to
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  realize that God saw me,
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  I matter.
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  SPEAKER_00: Your faith has made you well.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that's always one of those verses that can trip people up.
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  SPEAKER_00: What does he mean by your faith has made you well?
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  And again,
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  I don't think what Scripture is saying is that my faith moves
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  Jesus to act.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's Jesus' actions that move me to go to him.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that's what happened for this woman.
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  SPEAKER_00: Jesus was the source of her faith.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was his healing ability that moved her to take the risk.
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  But in this case,
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  your faith has made you well,
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  was your desperation made you well.
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  SPEAKER_00: Your risk-taking made you well.
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  Because you took time,
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  you took that moment to reach out to me,
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  it resulted in your healing.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah,
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  SPEAKER_01: and Tim,
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  SPEAKER_01: this is such an important point,
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  SPEAKER_01: and I've heard you preach on it many times,
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  SPEAKER_01: but this is super important because for those folks that are listening,
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  SPEAKER_01: who are pleading and asking Jesus to intervene for them,
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  SPEAKER_01: and whatever that is,
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  SPEAKER_01: maybe it's a health thing,
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  SPEAKER_01: maybe it's a family thing,
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  SPEAKER_01: maybe it's a money,
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  SPEAKER_01: whatever that is,
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  SPEAKER_01: and you're pleading,
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  SPEAKER_01: it's easy for us,
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  SPEAKER_01: if we don't see immediate action,
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  SPEAKER_01: it's easy for me to say,
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  SPEAKER_01: well,
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  SPEAKER_01: then what's wrong with my faith?
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  SPEAKER_00: That's right.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's right.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that can kind of walk me down a little bit of a dangerous road.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_00: Very dangerous road.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: So can you kind of talk to me a little bit about that?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  So we always need to understand these verses within the larger
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  context of the story of Jesus.
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  SPEAKER_00: And the story of Jesus,
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  SPEAKER_00: the larger story of Jesus,
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  SPEAKER_00: is that in the person of Jesus,
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  SPEAKER_00: God broke into human history in a unique way.
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  And God broke into human history in the person of Jesus to
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  bring to us the
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  SPEAKER_00: beginnings of the kingdom of God,
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  SPEAKER_00: the reign of God,
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  SPEAKER_00: the rule of God in the world.
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  SPEAKER_00: And this is what it looks like.
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  When the rule of God fully breaks into the world,
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  broken bodies are put back together.
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  SPEAKER_00: The dead are raised to life.
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  SPEAKER_00: The poor are fed.
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  SPEAKER_00: Enemies are loved.
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  SPEAKER_00: peace reigns.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's what it looks like when God rules the world,
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  SPEAKER_00: as opposed to when the Roman Empire rules the world.
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  SPEAKER_00: And when the Roman Empire is ruling the world,
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  SPEAKER_00: or any other government system,
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  SPEAKER_00: no matter how good they claim to be,
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  SPEAKER_00: when they rule the world,
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  SPEAKER_00: lives are broken,
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  SPEAKER_00: wars are fought,
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  SPEAKER_00: the rich get richer,
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  SPEAKER_00: the poor get poorer.
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  SPEAKER_00: Happens in every system.
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  SPEAKER_00: In the kingdom of God,
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  SPEAKER_00: Jesus comes and shows an upside-down world,
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  SPEAKER_00: a topsy-turvy world when God rules.
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  SPEAKER_00: But when Jesus came, he didn't bring the fullness of the kingdom of God.
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  SPEAKER_00: We still live in this now-not-yet world.
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  SPEAKER_00: God is present.
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  SPEAKER_00: The spirit of Jesus is alive and well.
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  SPEAKER_00: But people still die.
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  SPEAKER_00: People still get cancer.
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  SPEAKER_00: People still go through mental illness.
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  People pray and their prayers aren't answered the way that they
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  had hoped because
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  SPEAKER_00: this is what real life looks like.
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  SPEAKER_00: And until Jesus comes back, this will be the story of life.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it traces itself all the way back to Genesis.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is what real life looks like.
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  SPEAKER_00: But the difference is we don't go through it alone.
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  SPEAKER_00: God intervenes with grace.
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  SPEAKER_00: God hangs on to us when we can't hang on.
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  SPEAKER_00: God gives us hope.
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  SPEAKER_00: God uses us to make the world around us a better place.
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  And so the Christian story is that God has come to put broken
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  things back together.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_00: But it's a process.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's not every broken thing is put back together right now.
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  SPEAKER_00: Things still break.
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  SPEAKER_00: Again, people still die.
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  Part of our call as Christians is to be the purveyors of
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  healing and wholeness.
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  Part of the way that the world is healed,
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  part of the way that God acts is through us.
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  SPEAKER_00: But yes, every human family will go through crap.
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  SPEAKER_00: When life hits,
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  SPEAKER_00: real life hits,
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  SPEAKER_00: and it's not indiscriminate,
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  SPEAKER_00: it hits all of us,
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  SPEAKER_00: from the wealthiest to the poorest,
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  SPEAKER_00: hits all of us.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh,
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  SPEAKER_00: but the message of the gospels,
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  SPEAKER_00: we don't have to go through it alone and it's not meaningless.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's not purpose less.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh,
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  SPEAKER_00: there is in the midst of it,
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  SPEAKER_00: there can be joy,
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  SPEAKER_00: there can be life,
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  there could be celebration because the good news of God's love
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  for us carries us through.
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  SPEAKER_00: And,
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  SPEAKER_00: and so it's always,
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  SPEAKER_00: the emphasis is always on the promise of God,
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  SPEAKER_00: not my faith,
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  SPEAKER_00: the promise of God,
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  SPEAKER_00: the love of God.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um,
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  SPEAKER_00: And if we focus there,
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  SPEAKER_00: it at least helps us open our eyes up to be able to say,
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  SPEAKER_00: okay,
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  SPEAKER_00: God,
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_00: where are you at work today?
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_00: My wife still got cancer.
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  SPEAKER_00: The chemotherapy is ripping her apart.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm speaking metaphorically here.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's not the case for Jan.
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  SPEAKER_00: She's doing pretty well.
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  SPEAKER_00: The chemotherapy is ripping her apart, but where can we see you today?
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  SPEAKER_00: How are you in our lives today?
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  SPEAKER_00: And at the very least,
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  it's just to say there's more to this story than what we're
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  seeing right now.
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  SPEAKER_00: And the resurrection tells us that.
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  SPEAKER_00: At the cross, the story looked over.
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  SPEAKER_00: The story looked over, even for Jesus.
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  SPEAKER_00: But there's more to the story to come.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that's what helps us get through.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then every once in a while...
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  SPEAKER_00: as happened in these two stories, something really miraculous happens.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I've seen that a few times in my ministry,
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  SPEAKER_00: not tons,
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  but there have been times when we prayed for people and that
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  thing they had was gone.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, you're going into surgery next week, hip replacement surgery.
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  SPEAKER_00: I am.
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  SPEAKER_00: You've got a broken hip, so to speak.
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  SPEAKER_00: and Jesus is going to heal you through the people who operate on you.
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  SPEAKER_01: I sure hope so.
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  SPEAKER_00: And you are placing your faith in them,
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  and the reason why you have faith in them is not because you've
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  suddenly mustered faith,
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  SPEAKER_00: but because you sort of know their credentials.
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  SPEAKER_00: They do these things.
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  SPEAKER_00: They fix hips.
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  You can trust them because they fix hips,
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  and so you're going to place your life in their hands.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: And essentially that's what faith is.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's a picture in the Old Testament
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  SPEAKER_00: of two pillars of a temple.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it is holding, it is supporting a beam.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it's those two pillars that keep the whole temple up.
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  SPEAKER_00: And the picture of faith there is that faith is resting on the pillars.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's not the temple that's really the actor there.
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  SPEAKER_00: They're passive.
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  SPEAKER_00: What's active are the two pillars holding it up.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so in many ways, faith is not even something we do.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's a passiveness.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's surrendering ourselves.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's leaning back into God's grace.
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  SPEAKER_00: It is God who is active, not my faith.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, that doesn't mean I don't believe things.
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  SPEAKER_00: That doesn't mean I don't trust and hope.
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  SPEAKER_00: But it's always Jesus who heals, not my faith.
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  SPEAKER_00: And we're going to see that here in the next part of the story.
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  SPEAKER_00: Because Jesus goes in and they say, look, she's dead.
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  SPEAKER_00: And Jesus says, no, she's not dead.
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  SPEAKER_00: She's just sleeping.
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  SPEAKER_00: And they laugh at him.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's no belief there at all.
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  SPEAKER_00: And yet Jesus still walks in and raises that little girl to life again.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: And to your point, she certainly doesn't have any faith.
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  SPEAKER_00: She has no faith at all.
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  SPEAKER_00: She's dead.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's right.
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  SPEAKER_00: Because she's dead.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's a very good point.
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  SPEAKER_00: And let's remember,
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  SPEAKER_00: we've said this before,
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  SPEAKER_00: that all of us are dead in our trespasses and sins,
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  SPEAKER_00: according to Paul.
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  SPEAKER_00: And dead people can't make decisions.
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  SPEAKER_00: So we can't save ourselves.
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  SPEAKER_00: Dead people have no faith.
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  Now,
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  it's a little,
• 30:42
  you know,
• 30:42
  that's a spiritual metaphor for us saving ourselves.
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  SPEAKER_00: We still, I mean, let's face it.
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  Obviously,
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  this woman who had the bleeding problem could have said,
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  I've got a bleeding problem.
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  SPEAKER_00: There goes Jesus.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know what?
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  SPEAKER_00: Not today.
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  SPEAKER_00: He's too busy.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm not going to bother with him.
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  SPEAKER_00: And she wouldn't have been healed, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: She went to Jesus.
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  SPEAKER_00: She took a risk.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that's what Jesus is commending her for, taking the risk.
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  SPEAKER_00: but he's still the one who healed her, not her faith.
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  SPEAKER_00: Otherwise she just could have stood there and say,
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  SPEAKER_00: okay,
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  SPEAKER_00: Jesus is going to heal me right now and then be healed.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then you don't need Jesus anymore.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I think what's occurring to me too is that,
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  SPEAKER_01: and I haven't seen this before,
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  SPEAKER_01: is that when he says your faith has made you well,
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  SPEAKER_01: I feel like he's talking about the three days leading up to this,
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  SPEAKER_01: when she heard that this guy,
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  SPEAKER_01: Jesus might be walking by and what was she going to do?
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  SPEAKER_01: And then that morning when she's,
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  you know,
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  getting dressed and she's like,
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  I,
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  you know,
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  I've got nothing else.
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  SPEAKER_01: Maybe this is the one thing I, it's that whole process, right?
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  Of this internal dialogue and this,
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  this torment that she's going through.
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  And sometimes it's easy to read it and just distill it down to
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  the moment she
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  SPEAKER_01: touches the hem,
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  SPEAKER_01: but,
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  SPEAKER_01: but maybe it's everything.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's a lot more to it than that.
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  SPEAKER_00: And of course, Jesus healed her, not her faith, Jesus healed her.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it was Jesus who inspired in her, the,
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  SPEAKER_00: the desire to take the risk in the first place.
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  SPEAKER_00: So it didn't come out of nowhere.
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  SPEAKER_00: A couple of interesting pieces here,
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  SPEAKER_00: of course,
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  we've got the woman who's been bleeding for 12 years and the
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  little girl who was 12
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  SPEAKER_00: years old.
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  SPEAKER_00: And the number 12 has a sense of completeness around it.
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  SPEAKER_00: We know that there are 12 tribes of Israel, there's 12 disciples.
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  SPEAKER_00: So there may be a little play that Jesus brings to completeness,
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  SPEAKER_00: the healing in the woman and the bringing of the life to the girl.
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  SPEAKER_00: An insight I came across today that I thought was really interesting.
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  This woman has had,
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  for 12 years,
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  she has been dealing with an ongoing menstruation issue.
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  The 12-year-old girl is at the point now where she's going to
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  begin menstruating.
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  and what sort of connection is there in that story between the
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  woman who is richly
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  SPEAKER_00: impure and,
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  SPEAKER_00: in fact,
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  SPEAKER_00: is sort of dead relationally to the world because of this illness.
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  She can't have interaction with people and a dead woman and the
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  dead girl.
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  And then the other insight I saw was neither one of them could
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  get married in their condition.
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  SPEAKER_00: So obviously the 12-year-old girl can't get married because she's dead.
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  But she is now at the age when she can start thinking about
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  getting married.
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  SPEAKER_00: We think that Mary, Jesus' mother, was maybe 13.
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  SPEAKER_00: So it could be now that she is close to marriage age.
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  This would be about the time they would start thinking about
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  engagements and so on.
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  And the woman who is bleeding for 12 years can't get married
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  because she's ritually impure.
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  And so both of them relationally are in a challenge,
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  and Jesus comes and fixes that as well.
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  SPEAKER_00: In both cases, Jesus goes, and in both cases, Jesus heals.
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  SPEAKER_00: And he is the source of healing, and that's why we say life meets death.
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  SPEAKER_00: Jesus always meets death with life.
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  SPEAKER_00: It can come in the form of hope.
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  SPEAKER_00: It can come in the form of a word of encouragement.
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  SPEAKER_00: become the form of healing.
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  SPEAKER_00: Jesus always meets death with life.
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  SPEAKER_00: And life always has the final word, not death.
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  SPEAKER_00: Grace always has the final word, not hopelessness and despair.
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  And it's okay to go to Jesus when we are out of options and
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  when we're not even
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  SPEAKER_00: sure if we can believe it.
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  SPEAKER_00: We're just, we're desperate.
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  Jesus,
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  I don't know if you can do this,
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  but I'm desperate,
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  don't know where else to go.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then,
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  SPEAKER_00: as we've kind of talked about,
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  SPEAKER_00: and this is where it always gets a little challenging,
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  SPEAKER_00: when the answer isn't what you would hope or expect,
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  SPEAKER_00: where do you see God at work?
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  SPEAKER_00: How does God show up?
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  SPEAKER_00: And sometimes those answers are years in the making.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is a woman who's been,
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  SPEAKER_00: she's been ill for 12 years,
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  SPEAKER_00: 12 years before Jesus intervenes in her life.
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  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, there are people who for years struggle with things.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then, you know, they even do all the right things as this woman did.
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  SPEAKER_00: And still nothing quite works.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then,
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  SPEAKER_00: that answer comes.
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  SPEAKER_00: But when they look back,
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  SPEAKER_00: ah,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: the grace of God was there here,
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  SPEAKER_00: here,
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  SPEAKER_00: here,
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  SPEAKER_00: here,
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  SPEAKER_00: and here.
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  We just couldn't see it because we were so caught up in our,
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  our pain and our hurt.
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  SPEAKER_00: So it's now not yet,
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  SPEAKER_00: but I think for us,
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  SPEAKER_00: the big word is now somehow in some way,
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  SPEAKER_00: Jesus is always involved.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, even though we may not always be able to, to see him.
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  SPEAKER_00: And, uh, we've had,
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  We've had some of those dark nights of the soul in our own
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  family where,
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  Jesus,
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  what the heck?
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  SPEAKER_00: Why can't you speed this up?
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  SPEAKER_00: And part of it is just this is how life works.
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  SPEAKER_00: Life can be hard.
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  SPEAKER_00: God still throws the robes of grace around us, as Genesis 3 reminds us.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's easy.
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  I know listeners are amazed that I'm getting a hip replacement
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  at the age of 35,
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  SPEAKER_01: but that's in fact what's happening.
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  SPEAKER_01: But along with that... It would take 20 years.
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  It's easy for me to forget to thank God and to thank Jesus for
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  the healing he's
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  SPEAKER_01: going to do through a surgeon.
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  It's also easy for me to see what I perceive as unanswered
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  prayers in my life.
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  SPEAKER_01: Let's use the metaphor of the person who's being devastated by cancer,
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  SPEAKER_01: metaphorically speaking,
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  SPEAKER_01: in my family,
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  SPEAKER_01: to see that in my perception that that prayer is not getting answered.
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  SPEAKER_01: and then to condemn myself for my lack of faith,
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  SPEAKER_01: my inability to pray right,
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  SPEAKER_01: my inability to live a godly life,
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  SPEAKER_01: and bring that on myself.
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  SPEAKER_01: Those are both easy things for me to do.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yes, yes, and very normal.
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  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, sometimes we can talk about, is it okay to be mad at God?
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  SPEAKER_00: And the short answer is yes, I can take it.
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  SPEAKER_00: But in this case, we have two stories of people who are desperate,
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  uh,
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  Jesus is their last resort and Jesus doesn't turn them away
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  because of that.
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  Jesus intervenes,
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  heals,
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  um,
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  one passively,
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  you know,
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  he's touched,
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  uh,
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  he's not even asked.
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  And then one where a lot of the people don't even believe that
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  he can do it in the
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  SPEAKER_00: face of unbelief.
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  SPEAKER_00: And, um, uh,
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  SPEAKER_00: And I think if there's one takeaway for us,
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  SPEAKER_00: it's the one thing we can always count on,
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  SPEAKER_00: always count on,
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  SPEAKER_00: is when we cry out to Jesus,
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  SPEAKER_00: he always shows up.
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  SPEAKER_00: What that looks like, we can't always say.
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  SPEAKER_00: But he always shows up because he'll never leave us nor forsake us.
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  SPEAKER_00: Because nothing can ever separate us from God's love.
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  SPEAKER_00: Neither height or depth, sickness or death.
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  SPEAKER_00: Nothing can ever separate us from God's love.
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  SPEAKER_00: And
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  Sometimes when life is hard,
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  what you need is a God who shows up and gets you through it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Amen.
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  SPEAKER_00: All right, John, we're going to come back.
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  SPEAKER_00: We're going to do another one next week together.
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  We're going to continue to let Miss Terry heal up,
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  and then we're going to let you heal up.
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  SPEAKER_00: Sounds great.
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  SPEAKER_00: Big surgery.
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  SPEAKER_00: So thank you, everybody, for listening.
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  again,
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