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- 0:00Speaker 1: For the Red Sox and for the Orioles and for
- 0:02Speaker 1: the rest of the American League.
- 0:03Speaker 2: They had to say, well, I mean it sucks for them.
- 0:05Speaker 1: We all go through injuries, but maybe we get the
- 0:08Speaker 1: wor open just a little bit.
- 0:11Speaker 3: That looks like a happy perzinski at Diamondbacks camp. Are
- 0:14Speaker 3: they all as happy as you are?
- 0:15Speaker 4: There?
- 0:17Speaker 2: They are? This is a listen, this is a positive place.
- 0:20Speaker 1: If we had Tory Leavello their manager on not long ago,
- 0:23Speaker 1: and we know how positive he can be, and talking
- 0:25Speaker 1: to the guys around here, there are not a lot
- 0:27Speaker 1: of frowns on their faces, a lot of smiles, a
- 0:29Speaker 1: lot of happy guys, a lot of happy campers, as
- 0:32Speaker 1: we would say in spring training. And listen, I just
- 0:34Speaker 1: gotta talk to Orlando Hudson. I don't know if Kratzy
- 0:36Speaker 1: ever played with Orlando Hudson, but that dude might have
- 0:39Speaker 1: more energy than anybody I've ever seen. O Dog and
- 0:41Speaker 1: O Dog is in better shape than ninety two percent
- 0:44Speaker 1: of the players.
- 0:45Speaker 2: I mean he was he was going.
- 0:48Speaker 5: Oh Dog played second base in a first ever big
- 0:51Speaker 5: league camp. Oh Dog didn't stop talking the whole time.
- 0:55Speaker 5: Oh Dog definitely has energy, and I bet it's just
- 0:58Speaker 5: gray energy. Now does he have any gray hairs?
- 1:01Speaker 2: He's got some.
- 1:02Speaker 1: He's got like a little goateee and there's a little
- 1:03Speaker 1: gray in there. I kind of laughed at him because
- 1:05Speaker 1: I was getting old and he's like, look at his body,
- 1:08Speaker 1: think I'm getting old?
- 1:09Speaker 2: Dog? Come on, oh yeah, oh dog.
- 1:13Speaker 3: All right, let's show you the spring training tour before
- 1:15Speaker 3: we dive into topic number one and plenty of combos
- 1:18Speaker 3: coming up. Cortin Burns, Josh Naylor, Mike Haysen, Trey Mancini.
- 1:24Speaker 3: We were in Dodgers camp yesterday. It was awesome. We
- 1:26Speaker 3: actually did six shows yesterday under the FT Network umbrella.
- 1:30Speaker 3: We're including Fair Territory and Trevor may Show Mayda the
- 1:34Speaker 3: whole deal. The evening we had with the sit down
- 1:38Speaker 3: with Dave Roberts was awesome. We'll get to that. But Rangers,
- 1:40Speaker 3: White Sox A's the next three days after Diamondbacks camp
- 1:44Speaker 3: today and now let's charge the mountain. Talk about doc.
- 1:51Speaker 5: Charge.
- 1:54Speaker 3: I mean, did we not line this up months ago?
- 1:57Speaker 3: And say, I believe March tenth be the day Dave
- 2:01Speaker 3: Roberts greeted an extension with the Dodgers to be the
- 2:04Speaker 3: highest paid on a per year basis. Manager in the
- 2:07Speaker 3: sport Right now, Kratz, what did you think of that news?
- 2:11Speaker 3: And then of course we spoke to him. We'll mix
- 2:13Speaker 3: in some clips from Milana and Clint in there sit
- 2:16Speaker 3: down conversation with him for almost an hour. They did
- 2:18Speaker 3: a little toasts, little vino for the sit down.
- 2:23Speaker 5: I mean, you can never discount a large contract, but
- 2:28Speaker 5: it's like, was there ever a more slam dunk contract
- 2:33Speaker 5: like this? I get it, you know, it's the most.
- 2:35Speaker 5: It's the most anybody's that, anybody's getting anybody has. He
- 2:39Speaker 5: set the new bar. I get that part of it,
- 2:42Speaker 5: but like it was like, okay, yeah he should have that.
- 2:45Speaker 5: That's really I mean, we talked about it months ago
- 2:47Speaker 5: and now it just came to fruition.
- 2:53Speaker 1: Brandon Gomes. Why did Brandon Gomes announce this on the
- 2:55Speaker 1: show yesterday? We had the guy who was signing him
- 2:58Speaker 1: to this contract. We couldn't get him to announce it
- 3:00Speaker 1: on our show. I don't get it. But as Mark
- 3:03Speaker 1: Wiener told him last night when they were doing the
- 3:05Speaker 1: sit down together, he said, why isn't this done yet?
- 3:08Speaker 1: Why is this not you have to take a physical?
- 3:10Speaker 1: Like how does this work? Because it should just be
- 3:12Speaker 1: him signing the contract, right, I don't understand why they're
- 3:15Speaker 1: I mean, I understand why they're waiting because they want
- 3:17Speaker 1: to have a press conference and they want to do
- 3:19Speaker 1: the whole deal. But all he's got to do is
- 3:20Speaker 1: sign the piece of paper. Four years, thirty two plus
- 3:23Speaker 1: million dollars, let's go, Doc, Congratulations.
- 3:28Speaker 3: Yeah it was awesome. So right, he gets a little
- 3:31Speaker 3: over eight it's eight point one a year and councils
- 3:34Speaker 3: making eighty year.
- 3:35Speaker 2: Now.
- 3:35Speaker 3: Council's on a five year contract. Doc now including this year,
- 3:39Speaker 3: has four years left. But he does get to be
- 3:43Speaker 3: the highest paid manager in the sport. I actually personally
- 3:46Speaker 3: thought he was going to get closer to ten AJ,
- 3:48Speaker 3: But I don't know. The leverage on the other side
- 3:52Speaker 3: with these situations is that I think ownership groups, even
- 3:56Speaker 3: the richest and nicest ones, can say, do you really
- 3:58Speaker 3: want to go somewhere else?
- 4:02Speaker 2: He doesn't. I wouldn't if I was him.
- 4:04Speaker 1: Would you want to leave that team, that organization, with
- 4:06Speaker 1: what they built and what they're continue to build and
- 4:08Speaker 1: the money they have to continue this thing. I don't
- 4:11Speaker 1: know why he would want to. So listen, he can
- 4:13Speaker 1: thank Craig Council for getting the deal he did. I
- 4:15Speaker 1: know Craig had to leave his hometown in Milwaukee to
- 4:17Speaker 1: go to Chicago, but because of the deal, he signed
- 4:19Speaker 1: this there and got Dave Roberts paid paid and as
- 4:24Speaker 1: a manager making eight million dollars. Good for you, guys,
- 4:26Speaker 1: because the managers do a lot of work. I know
- 4:28Speaker 1: people think they're replaceable, but a good manager can win
- 4:30Speaker 1: you a lot of games.
- 4:32Speaker 3: He didn't give us some news last night that we
- 4:34Speaker 3: weren't aware of. There was some good and some bad
- 4:37Speaker 3: to it. The bad was the injury. The good was
- 4:40Speaker 3: an opportunity for a player who's been through a lot
- 4:42Speaker 3: of injuries and should be their number five starters. So
- 4:45Speaker 3: let's run the clip on his rotation.
- 4:48Speaker 4: As far as the fifth starter, I think it's it's
- 4:53Speaker 4: Dustin because you know he's obviously he's pitched. He's pitched
- 4:58Speaker 4: well getting back uh Tony with the little hiccup just
- 5:01Speaker 4: not being able to build up. I think Dustin makes
- 5:04Speaker 4: a lot of.
- 5:04Speaker 3: Sense talking about Dustin May and then on the other
- 5:09Speaker 3: end there Kratz Tony Gonslin had a little weightlifting injury
- 5:12Speaker 3: of some sort. We didn't get a ton of details
- 5:15Speaker 3: on it, but it doesn't sound like he's going to
- 5:17Speaker 3: be ready to start the season, so that at least
- 5:19Speaker 3: makes that battle easier to decipher. And they do have
- 5:23Speaker 3: a lot of starting pitching depth for this reason.
- 5:27Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 5:27Speaker 5: I mean, how many guys have gone over one hundred
- 5:30Speaker 5: and sixty innings on their start in their starting rotation.
- 5:34Speaker 5: That's okay, that's okay because they're just going to continue
- 5:37Speaker 5: to use that depth. I honestly, months ago when Dustin May,
- 5:42Speaker 5: you know, when I was saying, Okay, he's gonna be
- 5:44Speaker 5: ready for opening Day after coming back from his tons
- 5:48Speaker 5: of injuries that he had with the esophagus and the
- 5:50Speaker 5: arm and everything, I thought they would start slotting him
- 5:54Speaker 5: into the bullpen. Then as the off season went, they
- 5:57Speaker 5: started adding more and more to the bullpen. So to me,
- 6:00Speaker 5: when you throw one hundred with run and sink like
- 6:03Speaker 5: he has, you got to exhaust all opportunities to be
- 6:08Speaker 5: in the rotation. And I think that's awesome that he's
- 6:11Speaker 5: hopefully locked down the fifth spot.
- 6:13Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
- 6:16Speaker 1: Welcome backs to May and listen. One of the things
- 6:19Speaker 1: we've talked about the Dodgers, they have what at least
- 6:21Speaker 1: ten starting pitchers. Now they've already lost a couple of them.
- 6:24Speaker 1: Due to injury, but they have enough to cover it
- 6:26Speaker 1: because of Brandon Gomes and Andrew Freeman going out and
- 6:29Speaker 1: getting depth. And that's what teams do. And we talked
- 6:31Speaker 1: to Mike Kaysen later. He's going to talk about the
- 6:34Speaker 1: depth they have here in Diamondbacks camp also and now
- 6:36Speaker 1: how that important it is. Look at the Yankees, Garrett
- 6:38Speaker 1: Cole having TG today, Guess what they don't seem to
- 6:41Speaker 1: have a lot of depth. Teams that win have depth
- 6:43Speaker 1: in their starting rotation, depth in their player pool. They
- 6:46Speaker 1: can pull guys up from the minor leagues, have them ready,
- 6:49Speaker 1: tread water until their guys come back. And listen, the
- 6:52Speaker 1: Dodgers have it, the Diamondbacks have it, some other teams
- 6:54Speaker 1: have it. Those are the teams that usually win.
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- 8:01Speaker 3: of it last year at the trade deadline too. With
- 8:02Speaker 3: Jack Flaherty and yeah, there were some ups and downs
- 8:05Speaker 3: in the playoffs, but he had some big ups for them.
- 8:07Speaker 3: I don't know if they're in that spot without Flaherty
- 8:10Speaker 3: because they didn't have many healthy starters that could give
- 8:13Speaker 3: you five plus innings in the postseason, and they end
- 8:16Speaker 3: up victorious for that reason, the reason of always always
- 8:21Speaker 3: looking at more starting pitching. All right, let's go back
- 8:23Speaker 3: to that conversation. Dave Roberts spoke about the World Series
- 8:27Speaker 3: Championship that he has now, which is his second, and
- 8:31Speaker 3: really wiped away any of the asterisk talk.
- 8:35Speaker 4: Don't dream about it, but I do. It's interesting is
- 8:40Speaker 4: that as a mat for me, I'll speak for myself
- 8:43Speaker 4: is regular season, I can recall a lot of things
- 8:45Speaker 4: over the years, but in postseasons, I just have a
- 8:49Speaker 4: hard time recounting certain moments and I don't go back
- 8:53Speaker 4: and dissect and it's just like whether they ended up
- 8:56Speaker 4: well or they didn't end up well. But yeah, there
- 9:00Speaker 4: was an asterisk on twenty twenty, which I still to
- 9:02Speaker 4: this pace. We think it's bs because people just seem
- 9:06Speaker 4: to forget how hard life was then and they don't
- 9:11Speaker 4: appreciate that that translated to our season, which was just
- 9:15Speaker 4: as hard, if not harder, where people aren't with their
- 9:18Speaker 4: families and do it. They're doing spit tests and you're
- 9:20Speaker 4: in a bubble.
- 9:21Speaker 2: Guys.
- 9:22Speaker 4: It was hard, but it's I love the one where
- 9:26Speaker 4: people go to me, hey, now we won one. It's
- 9:29Speaker 4: good that we finally won one, and I'm like, I'm
- 9:32Speaker 4: the biggest god fan, but we finally won when I'm like, well,
- 9:35Speaker 4: I guess twenty twenty. Yeah, it doesn't, but it's it's
- 9:38Speaker 4: that's another, that's another, that's a that Yeah, then I
- 9:43Speaker 4: need the harder stuff for that one.
- 9:46Speaker 3: He was good, though, I highly recommend it.
- 9:49Speaker 2: Right.
- 9:49Speaker 3: We do a lot of content on our network, but Kratz,
- 9:52Speaker 3: the whole conversation is worth a listen because he goes
- 9:54Speaker 3: in depth on each decision that he made in the
- 9:57Speaker 3: World Series, how we lined up the starting staff, who
- 10:00Speaker 3: he felt comfortable using, back to back, et cetera. Basically,
- 10:03Speaker 3: how to get yourself to four wins, not you know,
- 10:06Speaker 3: just how we get game to game. In the playoffs,
- 10:08Speaker 3: sometimes we use that phrase like you just got to
- 10:10Speaker 3: win today. But he did really look at it in
- 10:12Speaker 3: a more long term.
- 10:13Speaker 5: View, especially talking about like honeywell when he had to throw,
- 10:19Speaker 5: and then talking about guys couldn't go back to back
- 10:22Speaker 5: if we put another guy out there. That was going
- 10:24Speaker 5: back to back. Then what does that even look like
- 10:28Speaker 5: for Game five for them, Like, it's it's more than
- 10:33Speaker 5: just yes, you have to win that game. But when
- 10:37Speaker 5: he was able to come out at the end and
- 10:40Speaker 5: win the World Series, you look at every move and
- 10:43Speaker 5: you go, Okay, this move happened because of this and
- 10:45Speaker 5: the way he explains it is tremendous, and it's it's
- 10:50Speaker 5: rare that you get that much of a deep dive
- 10:52Speaker 5: into managers thinking throughout an entire series.
- 11:00Speaker 1: What I wanted to know was there was two things
- 11:01Speaker 1: I wanted to know. One, did he call Kevin Cash
- 11:03Speaker 1: and thank him for taking Snell out of the twenty
- 11:05Speaker 1: twenty because listen, that's a real world series. I know
- 11:09Speaker 1: they got a ring, so then to me, it's a
- 11:10Speaker 1: real world series. And then, second of all, why do
- 11:13Speaker 1: people question it. I just don't understand what he's saying about.
- 11:16Speaker 1: It doesn't count. Like why they still won. They still
- 11:18Speaker 1: beat every other team. There were still thirty teams trying
- 11:21Speaker 1: to get to the postseason. There were still the teams
- 11:23Speaker 1: in the postseason, and they still had to win the games. Yes,
- 11:26Speaker 1: I know it was shortened, but you know this is
- 11:28Speaker 1: their second World Series win under Dave Roberts, So I
- 11:31Speaker 1: don't know why people question it. I love hearing his insight.
- 11:33Speaker 1: I love hearing why he made these moves and all that.
- 11:36Speaker 1: But that's again how managers can win and lose you
- 11:38Speaker 1: series and playoff games and this and that, and he's
- 11:41Speaker 1: one of the best in the business and he deserves
- 11:42Speaker 1: all the credit.
- 11:44Speaker 5: That twenty twenty season, that was my last season. I
- 11:47Speaker 5: played in it, the entirety of it. It was short,
- 11:50Speaker 5: but there all the stuff what he said about, you know,
- 11:53Speaker 5: families needing to take the tests and guys. I mean,
- 11:56Speaker 5: I was just telling the story the other day. Guys
- 11:59Speaker 5: would get off the bus and not talk to each
- 12:01Speaker 5: other because they were holding their spit in to be
- 12:03Speaker 5: able to make sure they could get all the spit
- 12:05Speaker 5: into the into the whatever, the vile thing that you
- 12:09Speaker 5: had to go into. And people were like, ah, whatever,
- 12:12Speaker 5: you know it was. You know, all you had to
- 12:13Speaker 5: do was spit. It mattered. Just the same games were played,
- 12:17Speaker 5: nine innings. Guys were playing at their max ability. Nobody
- 12:22Speaker 5: was like, Eh, whatever, it's twenty twenty. It's not a
- 12:24Speaker 5: big deal. Everybody wanted to win. We fell short against
- 12:27Speaker 5: the Rays in Game.
- 12:27Speaker 1: Five by the way, I'm I just got asked this before.
- 12:32Speaker 1: I know we're digging in, but I could just see
- 12:34Speaker 1: Cratz's little bio that popped up. Did it really say, like,
- 12:37Speaker 1: nineteen eighty nine All Star Game Triple A m VP?
- 12:41Speaker 2: Is that in your bio? Is that one of the
- 12:43Speaker 2: things they put in your bio?
- 12:44Speaker 5: I didn't see the bio. I gotta I gotta see
- 12:46Speaker 5: that nineteen eighty nine?
- 12:48Speaker 2: I think, what what is it?
- 12:52Speaker 5: Two two thousand and nine.
- 12:54Speaker 2: Sorry, there's just a little bit of a glare behind me.
- 13:00Speaker 5: All Star Game MVP. It was on ESPN. Don't worry
- 13:04Speaker 5: about it. If you're already in the big leagues. It
- 13:07Speaker 5: was my it was my big.
- 13:08Speaker 2: Leagues for ten years already.
- 13:11Speaker 5: It was my big leagues at the time.
- 13:13Speaker 2: Okay, some of us just don't know about that life.
- 13:16Speaker 5: It's okay, I'll let you know.
- 13:19Speaker 2: I'm glad I didn't know about that life.
- 13:22Speaker 3: Tough crowd, tough crowd.
- 13:25Speaker 2: It's just funny to me, you know. I look at
- 13:27Speaker 2: I was like, man, what's that box? Say? Oh?
- 13:29Speaker 1: And I could barely read it because obviously the sun's
- 13:31Speaker 1: behind me. And then I'm like, wait, it's it. Does
- 13:33Speaker 1: that really say Triple a there. Look at Le's see you.
- 13:38Speaker 3: Like it?
- 13:39Speaker 1: I love it ended money Ball as that should be
- 13:42Speaker 1: the top write for me because that means how much
- 13:45Speaker 1: I love that movie.
- 13:45Speaker 2: That should be number one. I can't.
- 13:47Speaker 1: Oh Man, Hopefully we get Billy Bean on Friday. We
- 13:49Speaker 1: can talk about that when we go to the A's camp.
- 13:51Speaker 3: Oh I would love ten minutes just on all of that.
- 13:54Speaker 3: That would be great. Anyway, all right, last thing here
- 13:57Speaker 3: from the Doc Roberts conversation. I really loved how he
- 14:01Speaker 3: gave us the inside word on Walker Bueller on the
- 14:03Speaker 3: bus He's texting with the front office Brandon Gomes actually
- 14:07Speaker 3: being like, yo, things get walky, I'm good and they
- 14:10Speaker 3: told Doc, and Doc wrote back to Brandon Gohmes in
- 14:14Speaker 3: the front office tell him no, thank you. Then of
- 14:19Speaker 3: course they did end up using him and Mueller was right.
- 14:23Speaker 3: So it's just crazy how the postseason unfolds like that.
- 14:26Speaker 3: And I just thought the conversation was super fascinating. So anyway,
- 14:30Speaker 3: that's it on that. Because you can watch the whole thing,
- 14:32Speaker 3: you can listen the whole thing. Dodgers' Territory lays the
- 14:35Speaker 3: entire conversation out for you with Dave Roberts from last night.
- 14:38Speaker 3: You can catch it on demand wherever you get your
- 14:41Speaker 3: favorite podcasts and shows. Ft Wise, we didn't get to
- 14:44Speaker 3: this yesterday because we were busy at Dodgers camp, but
- 14:47Speaker 3: we did get a Friday news dump that the A's
- 14:51Speaker 3: made a Jersey patch deal. Apparently it was like towards
- 14:53Speaker 3: the bottom of what MLB would accept this. According to
- 14:56Speaker 3: the Evandrelic article in The Athletic, he's been all over
- 15:00Speaker 3: over the A's coverage, but they are actually going to
- 15:03Speaker 3: have Vegas on a Jersey patch because the guy who
- 15:08Speaker 3: leads the convention, whatever the heck it's called, association right
- 15:12Speaker 3: to try and get attention to the city, has now
- 15:15Speaker 3: put that patch that you're looking at on the screen
- 15:17Speaker 3: on the uniforms for the next few years. AJ two
- 15:20Speaker 3: and a half mil this year, two point seventy five
- 15:21Speaker 3: and twenty six and three million dollars in twenty twenty eight.
- 15:24Speaker 3: It is not a brand, that's tax money, and it
- 15:28Speaker 3: will remind people that Sacramento is just a temporary home.
- 15:33Speaker 3: Who was it that, said, Oh, Steve Hill, who's the
- 15:36Speaker 3: head of the group, the public entity that controls these
- 15:39Speaker 3: tax dollars, said Frankly. One of the reasons something like
- 15:41Speaker 3: this hasn't been done, at least for a team that's moving,
- 15:43Speaker 3: is that they're still in the city they're moving from.
- 15:45Speaker 3: We couldn't have done this with the Raiders, for example,
- 15:47Speaker 3: because it would have just been rude. They're in the
- 15:49Speaker 3: city they're moving from and that's kind of in your face,
- 15:52Speaker 3: just not appropriate. But because they're moving to Sacramento for
- 15:54Speaker 3: three years before coming here, it opened up that possibility
- 15:57Speaker 3: of doing that. It's an unlikely situation to occur again
- 16:00Speaker 3: and often what do you think.
- 16:03Speaker 1: Hmm, it's kind of not very nice, like they just
- 16:06Speaker 1: like you just read. It's kind of weird because they're
- 16:09Speaker 1: not even allowed to be called the Sacramento A's even
- 16:11Speaker 1: though they're playing in Sacramento. So why don't we just
- 16:14Speaker 1: start calling them the Vegas A's right now, let's go
- 16:16Speaker 1: Fish John Fisher and whoever else is in charge, or
- 16:18Speaker 1: let's just start calling them the Vegas A's. If you're
- 16:20Speaker 1: gonna have Vegas on your sleeves and they're not gonna
- 16:22Speaker 1: have the name of the city they're in, I'm just
- 16:24Speaker 1: start calling them the Vegas As.
- 16:27Speaker 5: No, no, more than they couldn't get more than that.
- 16:30Speaker 5: Two point six, two point eight three million. I feel
- 16:34Speaker 5: like a patch should should bring you more than that.
- 16:36Speaker 5: It's a large area. We're not talking about a small market.
- 16:40Speaker 5: Sacramento is like, there's a ton of people that live there.
- 16:45Speaker 5: I don't understand why they couldn't have sold it for more.
- 16:47Speaker 5: What I feel like there's more that we don't know
- 16:50Speaker 5: is going on in this situation.
- 16:51Speaker 3: Well, they're already friends with the guy. I can tell
- 16:53Speaker 3: you why Why would that guy?
- 16:54Speaker 2: Why would somebody buy it? There?
- 16:57Speaker 1: Mean, Sacramento is not a big area, and they're already
- 16:59Speaker 1: gonna lose most to the Oakland the Bay Area fans
- 17:01Speaker 1: because they're pissed at them. So it's not a big market.
- 17:05Speaker 1: And I'm gonna be honest with you. Vegas is not
- 17:08Speaker 1: a large, gigantic market either. It's like fortieth on the
- 17:11Speaker 1: list of markets. So it's not like they're Googenheim in
- 17:15Speaker 1: La or what's the New York one where they've been
- 17:18Speaker 1: paid ninety nine dollars to get a patch on your
- 17:20Speaker 1: arm our official jersey.
- 17:21Speaker 3: Yank Starns twenty five million dollars a year. But that's
- 17:25Speaker 3: the Yankees, and they had, you know, they were looking externally.
- 17:28Speaker 3: They just did a deal with their friend, they weren't
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- 18:32Speaker 3: for life Hot Corner Time. We covered this yesterday, but
- 18:38Speaker 3: we'll just double down since it wasn't made official official
- 18:42Speaker 3: the surgery until after the show. So TJ for Garrett Cole,
- 18:47Speaker 3: and he is out for the twenty twenty five season.
- 18:49Speaker 3: He's probably going to miss some time in twenty twenty
- 18:52Speaker 3: six as well. Guys. I mean you're looking at usually
- 18:55Speaker 3: at least a fourteen month recovery. Sometimes it could take
- 18:59Speaker 3: sixteen in eighteen months, So the expectation would be maybe
- 19:03Speaker 3: mid season of twenty twenty six for Cole, and he'll
- 19:08Speaker 3: lose out on his age thirty four season this year
- 19:10Speaker 3: and part of his age thirty five season coming up.
- 19:12Speaker 3: Remember aga he received a lot of coverage a few
- 19:15Speaker 3: months back when he opted out of his deal, and
- 19:18Speaker 3: there was a lot of questioning going on as to
- 19:20Speaker 3: why he ended up opting back in. We kind of
- 19:23Speaker 3: talked about how maybe there was some insurance issues, maybe
- 19:28Speaker 3: the Yankees were concerned about the medicals, and they were like,
- 19:30Speaker 3: this is as far as we'll go. But anyway, this
- 19:33Speaker 3: is a huge loss for the club, and I do
- 19:34Speaker 3: want to spend it forward too and figure out if
- 19:37Speaker 3: the Yankees need to do anything, Because immediately everyone's like, well,
- 19:40Speaker 3: they got to get Sandy al Contra. I'm like, hold up,
- 19:42Speaker 3: hold up, that's not an easy pull.
- 19:46Speaker 1: They gotta get Dylan Cees. Yes, everyone started, it's on
- 19:50Speaker 1: the market. They got to get him. But it's a
- 19:52Speaker 1: huge loss for him just because he's the leader of
- 19:54Speaker 1: their rotation. See what you want, But this guy has
- 19:57Speaker 1: been in New York and he has pitched really well
- 19:59Speaker 1: in New York.
- 20:00Speaker 2: Can handle it. He was a Yankee fan growing up.
- 20:01Speaker 2: We all know that.
- 20:02Speaker 1: But this guy, it's a huge loss, not only from
- 20:05Speaker 1: just the innings and the quality innings he gives them,
- 20:08Speaker 1: but also from a leadership standpoint being showing some of
- 20:10Speaker 1: the you know Max Freed that's coming in there for
- 20:12Speaker 1: the first time as a starter, to show him how
- 20:14Speaker 1: it's done. So I think this is a huge dealing. Yes,
- 20:17Speaker 1: he's gonna miss all twenty five and probably some of
- 20:18Speaker 1: twenty six too. It sucks for him. It sucks for
- 20:21Speaker 1: him personally, it sucks for the Yankees. But it's a
- 20:23Speaker 1: good thing. Maybe he didn't opt out, because who knows
- 20:28Speaker 1: but again, like you said, we talked about at the
- 20:29Speaker 1: time when he opted out and then he opted back
- 20:31Speaker 1: in that whole thing. Was there something more that we
- 20:34Speaker 1: didn't know about. Maybe this was the thing we didn't
- 20:36Speaker 1: know about.
- 20:38Speaker 5: He's irreplaceable. The rest of you know, Twitter and Instagram
- 20:42Speaker 5: are all gonna make comments, Oh well, okay, we're just
- 20:45Speaker 5: gonna go get We're just gonna go get this person.
- 20:47Speaker 5: We're just gonna go get this person. No matter who
- 20:50Speaker 5: you get. You can't add what Garret Cole has been
- 20:54Speaker 5: to this rotation. But last year, look at other guys
- 20:58Speaker 5: stepping up. Look what Luis he did. Look what the
- 21:01Speaker 5: Yankees organization being able to fill in in different pieces.
- 21:07Speaker 5: We're able to have six guys were able to have success.
- 21:09Speaker 5: I felt like Rodan stepped up in a big way
- 21:12Speaker 5: when up until that point he really hadn't stepped up
- 21:16Speaker 5: in a Yankees' uniform. So maybe with that alpha male
- 21:19Speaker 5: out of the rotation, it is an easier transition for
- 21:23Speaker 5: Max Freed, It is an easier time for Rodin to
- 21:26Speaker 5: step up and be that guy. Marcus Stroman is sitting
- 21:29Speaker 5: out here, He's going to get his one hundred and
- 21:31Speaker 5: forty innings. So you know he's going to be out
- 21:32Speaker 5: there every day and you never know who's going to
- 21:36Speaker 5: be the one that steps up, but somebody has to.
- 21:39Speaker 5: You can't lean on this guy anymore, and you can't
- 21:41Speaker 5: find somebody that would actually replace what he brings.
- 21:45Speaker 3: And it's Cole and Heal that's the thing. He'll obviously
- 21:49Speaker 3: most likely going to come back. But to me, aj
- 21:53Speaker 3: that's also the huge factor here is losing two upper
- 21:57Speaker 3: echelon starters so quickly before this and even begins, and
- 22:01Speaker 3: you know you're going to deal with more. Everyone does.
- 22:04Speaker 3: Everyone deals with more crap in their rotation, so it's
- 22:07Speaker 3: even more so on Freedom Rodin at the top of
- 22:10Speaker 3: that rotation.
- 22:11Speaker 1: But are the Yankees the best team still in that division?
- 22:16Speaker 1: With what the Red Sox have done? Are they the
- 22:19Speaker 1: best team in that division?
- 22:22Speaker 3: For me, man, it's see it gets real close, now
- 22:28Speaker 3: gets real close. It's not just the Red Sox. The
- 22:30Speaker 3: Oil still should have a really good team too, especially
- 22:32Speaker 3: on offense.
- 22:33Speaker 2: Rays I always think they're going to be good Blue Jays.
- 22:36Speaker 2: Who knows.
- 22:36Speaker 5: I thought I thought the O's were already the best
- 22:39Speaker 5: team in the division, and I think this just shortens. Look,
- 22:43Speaker 5: that's a good that's a really good rotation. We don't
- 22:46Speaker 5: know what Will Warren is gonna be unless you're a Yankees,
- 22:49Speaker 5: you know, unless you're a yankeeographer and you know what
- 22:51Speaker 5: he's been doing in the bushes. You just don't know
- 22:54Speaker 5: what you're gonna get out of Clark Schmidt. But to me,
- 22:58Speaker 5: it's a very solid rowation. I felt like the Orioles
- 23:02Speaker 5: were already ahead, but now you lost another big bat
- 23:04Speaker 5: in that lineup. You lost some of your depth with
- 23:08Speaker 5: some of the other guys in the lineup and on
- 23:10Speaker 5: the bench. They never filled the they never filled the
- 23:14Speaker 5: third base void. I get it they're filling from within,
- 23:18Speaker 5: but I just think there's a lot that Aaron Judge
- 23:22Speaker 5: has to do again, and that's a lot of pressure
- 23:24Speaker 5: to continue to do what he's done the last three
- 23:27Speaker 5: out of the last four years for this team, or
- 23:29Speaker 5: two out of the last three years.
- 23:31Speaker 3: Is it more realistic that they try and get someone
- 23:35Speaker 3: at the back end? You know, I was looking at
- 23:37Speaker 3: the free agent market aside from Gibson and Lynn, why
- 23:41Speaker 3: doesn't Spencer Turnbull have a job? I mean, Kratz, you
- 23:45Speaker 3: saw him with Philly last year. Yeah, he was pretty good.
- 23:48Speaker 5: I'm like, I forgot. I forgot that he was still
- 23:52Speaker 5: out there. I don't know, you know, is he asking
- 23:55Speaker 5: is he asking for a different type of roles? Like
- 23:57Speaker 5: does he want to make sure he is a solidified starter,
- 24:00Speaker 5: because when he was a starter last year, his dude
- 24:03Speaker 5: stepped in and he essentially took that job. Yes, they
- 24:08Speaker 5: put him back in the pen, but that rotation was
- 24:11Speaker 5: stout and then he got hurt, and so I don't
- 24:14Speaker 5: know how much that time he's like, I missed that time.
- 24:17Speaker 5: I want to be a starter. You look at his career,
- 24:20Speaker 5: that's where he seems like he's the most comfortable. And
- 24:24Speaker 5: I really don't know. I don't know why he's still
- 24:26Speaker 5: out there. But I've said that probably ten to fifteen
- 24:30Speaker 5: times this offseason already.
- 24:32Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he added a sweeper. He was awesome
- 24:34Speaker 3: as a starter, and then eventually had the lat injury.
- 24:37Speaker 3: Actually that cut his season in half. After he was
- 24:40Speaker 3: moved to the bullpen shortly after that. But I mean,
- 24:43Speaker 3: dude's talented. I would definitely expect to see him at
- 24:47Speaker 3: some point in the bigs. Not like he shouldn't be
- 24:49Speaker 3: in the big leagues. I mean, that's a big league
- 24:51Speaker 3: arm right there who should be starting even if there's
- 24:53Speaker 3: an injury concerned. I can see how the Yankees might
- 24:56Speaker 3: have a little PTSD because they have so many injury
- 24:59Speaker 3: prones to situations. Anyway, we'll see what happens. It's definitely
- 25:04Speaker 3: a problem. Now. It's official since yesterday. GARYT. Cole is
- 25:07Speaker 3: going to miss some time and he'll be back. He's
- 25:10Speaker 3: one of the best pitchers in our sport for a
- 25:12Speaker 3: long time.
- 25:12Speaker 2: Now.
- 25:13Speaker 3: Don't forget. Justin Verlander had Tommy John surgery even later
- 25:16Speaker 3: than this, came back and in his first full season
- 25:18Speaker 3: back he won a Cy Young Award. Sometimes you know
- 25:21Speaker 3: he might feel even better than ever. Jacob de Gram's
- 25:24Speaker 3: back now too, from a second TJ. This is only
- 25:26Speaker 3: the first one for Cole, so that stands out as well.
- 25:28Speaker 3: We don't obsess over spring training stats on this show,
- 25:31Speaker 3: but we will point out some things like Christian Yelich
- 25:35Speaker 3: now homering in back to back games. Why is that important?
- 25:39Speaker 3: Because they got to keep him on the field. Kratz,
- 25:41Speaker 3: he was awesome last year. He was basically back to
- 25:44Speaker 3: his prime. I mean, he was amazing, but he played
- 25:48Speaker 3: about half a season one hundred and one two ops
- 25:52Speaker 3: plus three fifteen four h six on base five O
- 25:54Speaker 3: four slug eleven homers, twenty one stolen bases in half
- 25:58Speaker 3: a year. Then the back was barking.
- 26:01Speaker 5: So what do we think the back's been barking since
- 26:04Speaker 5: twenty eighteen. And I'm hoping that this really really helps
- 26:11Speaker 5: him just jump right back into the season of where
- 26:13Speaker 5: he was last year. He's been dealing with the back
- 26:16Speaker 5: stuff for a minute, and hopefully this alleviates that maybe
- 26:22Speaker 5: those bags what to say, twenty one bags in almost
- 26:25Speaker 5: in basically half a season, maybe that goes down. But
- 26:30Speaker 5: you know, I don't know. I don't know about back injuries.
- 26:33Speaker 5: It seems debilitating. But what I do know is that pitch.
- 26:36Speaker 5: Obviously we saw the side angle of that home run
- 26:39Speaker 5: that he hit. It was a back door breaking ball
- 26:41Speaker 5: that he took the left field when Christian Yelich is right,
- 26:46Speaker 5: I have never seen anybody do that better. The ability
- 26:49Speaker 5: to turn on a pitch, yes, but also take that
- 26:54Speaker 5: back door breaking ball and hit an opposite field home
- 26:57Speaker 5: run over the left fielder's head, left center gap. And
- 27:00Speaker 5: when he's doing that already in spring training, it should
- 27:04Speaker 5: it should bode well. I don't really care about the stats.
- 27:08Speaker 5: I look at a swing like that and what is that?
- 27:10Speaker 5: How does that equate to a dude that is really
- 27:14Speaker 5: trying to stay on his legs and rotate well with
- 27:17Speaker 5: that new surgically repaired back.
- 27:21Speaker 3: Heyj, how much DH time do you want for him?
- 27:24Speaker 1: Whatever it takes to keep him on the field. I
- 27:26Speaker 1: don't care if he has to play the outfield never,
- 27:28Speaker 1: whatever takes. They need him in this lineup. They need
- 27:30Speaker 1: him to hit and they need him to be productive. Now,
- 27:32Speaker 1: my only question, I know Kratz loves, we love Yelly.
- 27:34Speaker 1: I love Yelly. Was the wind blowing out because Opo
- 27:38Speaker 1: on a back door break the ball like we are
- 27:41Speaker 1: we Christian yellochin at that?
- 27:43Speaker 2: I don't know. I just want to know Yelly was
- 27:45Speaker 2: the wind blowing out at Maryvale yesterday? Because we know
- 27:47Speaker 2: on the he was in the Whites.
- 27:50Speaker 5: Check the All Star Yelly, don't have gray pants? Come on,
- 27:54Speaker 5: don't not even know that gray pants? But check the
- 27:58Speaker 5: All Star Game as Charlie Morton. As Charlie Morton is
- 28:03Speaker 5: that backdoor curveball comes back? He's the best I've ever
- 28:07Speaker 5: seen at that and You're like, no way, it's just
- 28:09Speaker 5: a single to left danger.
- 28:11Speaker 3: Did you see Vinnie pas Quentino just being an absolute
- 28:16Speaker 3: insider yesterday. Wow, all right, so you can see SI
- 28:23Speaker 3: pointing out how Vinip is apparently an insider, his tongue
- 28:26Speaker 3: in cheek, but he said thanks for some credit. He
- 28:28Speaker 3: would like to be referred to as v I NFL insider,
- 28:34Speaker 3: been in a full insider, Vinnie pas Quentino. Why because
- 28:38Speaker 3: before hours before that, he said, Justin Fields to the
- 28:43Speaker 3: Jets sources me two years thirty five mil okay, going
- 28:47Speaker 3: to the cages to start my day. He's a Jets
- 28:49Speaker 3: super fan. And then Justin Fields did end up going
- 28:52Speaker 3: to the Jets, So props to him. Made a nice
- 28:55Speaker 3: little prediction. Maybe had some help, maybe no as an
- 28:59Speaker 3: agent or a team executive that we don't know about
- 29:01Speaker 3: and said, hey, I mean I think we're gonna get Fields.
- 29:04Speaker 3: Or Vinip is just good at finding fits.
- 29:08Speaker 5: Or he threw a dart at a dartboard and he
- 29:12Speaker 5: did it, and he's a big Jets fan, so maybe
- 29:15Speaker 5: he's tweeted other moves that the Jets should make. I'm
- 29:18Speaker 5: sure he was juiced when aa Ron Rogers was going
- 29:21Speaker 5: was going there too. So I love I love watching
- 29:24Speaker 5: this side of athletes being able to like just be
- 29:28Speaker 5: like everyday dudes that are like, you know what, I'm
- 29:31Speaker 5: a big Jets fan. I'm gonna throw this out before
- 29:33Speaker 5: I go to the cage. And then it happened like
- 29:36Speaker 5: pretty pretty cool.
- 29:39Speaker 3: Fanas short for fanatic, And there are plenty of athletes
- 29:42Speaker 3: that are fanatics of other sports, and baseball has that
- 29:47Speaker 3: of course, with football that stands out. They probably have
- 29:51Speaker 3: that with football for watching and then golf for playing
- 29:54Speaker 3: a sport outside of baseball.
- 29:57Speaker 5: And football because it's the off season. It's the off season.
- 30:01Speaker 5: You're like, I can really get into this. And if
- 30:04Speaker 5: only there was a show where the players could come
- 30:06Speaker 5: on and talk about things outside of the game that
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- 30:12Speaker 5: to those players. Oh wait, there is Foucher.
- 30:16Speaker 3: And sometimes an annoying host that says we're talking too
- 30:19Speaker 3: much about football but gets overruled. And he's a nice guy.
- 30:23Speaker 5: Okay, either way, he's a pretty chill guy. You can
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- 30:29Speaker 3: Oh that would be nice. Yeah, if you're watching right
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- 30:51Speaker 3: a lot of May puns in that show. It's really good.
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- 31:05Speaker 6: He's frustrated, and it sounds to me that he's really
- 31:08Speaker 6: frustrated because when you see another person on the outside
- 31:12Speaker 6: getting offered this extravagant deal and then the team not
- 31:15Speaker 6: getting them, and then every year you're hearing about all
- 31:17Speaker 6: this money being offered to these huge free agents and
- 31:20Speaker 6: you're already there, and you're already the same age, and
- 31:23Speaker 6: you're already on the team, and you're already the center
- 31:25Speaker 6: of the team, and then you're not able to get
- 31:28Speaker 6: anywhere near your number. I could see how that would
- 31:30Speaker 6: be really frustrating. There's like no homegroun talent on this
- 31:33Speaker 6: team either at this point. It's like him Boba Schet,
- 31:36Speaker 6: Alejandro Kirk, that's it. Everyone else was traded for or
- 31:40Speaker 6: came in a free agency, or was not drafted by him,
- 31:43Speaker 6: or or signed an international free agency. So he wants
- 31:48Speaker 6: to be there. He wants to be the guy, and
- 31:49Speaker 6: he's just, judging by his tone, he's not happy with
- 31:54Speaker 6: with hearing about all of these offers being given other
- 31:56Speaker 6: guys and then just no one playing ball with him.
- 31:58Speaker 6: Now he's a first baseman, they don't age well, you know,
- 32:02Speaker 6: that's just the name of the game. First baseman are
- 32:04Speaker 6: not going to get that much money for first basement.
- 32:06Speaker 6: After six hundred million dollars, what Freddy Freeman get like
- 32:08Speaker 6: one to eighty, Like, it's just not that's nowhere close.
- 32:13Speaker 6: So in reality, he'll he's probably a mid four hundred
- 32:16Speaker 6: in my opinion, but still he'd probably take four hundred
- 32:22Speaker 6: and fifty million dollars. Why wouldn't you have that's half
- 32:25Speaker 6: a billion dollars And it just sounds like he just
- 32:29Speaker 6: says stuff and they're like, man.
- 32:34Speaker 3: Go check it out, and you can check it out
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- 32:44Speaker 3: he does hour one on our channel, hour two on
- 32:47Speaker 3: his own Trevor May YouTube channel, So he's awesome. Leo beout.
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