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Tennessee's Botched Execution · The M&M Experience

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  Speaker 1: Well, how do we feel with this botched execution of
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  Speaker 1: like a pillow, like a nurse sneaking into the hospital
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  Speaker 1: room and putting a pillow over her head? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: is that more humane than injecting? What do they do
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  Speaker 1: with her now? Now what do they do?
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  Speaker 2: For those that don't know, Krista Gale Pike was the
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  Speaker 2: poster woman for the death penalty, a brutal murderess.
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  Speaker 1: Demon.
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  Speaker 2: Horrible.
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  Speaker 1: In fact, quote, I cut that B word nine times.
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  Speaker 1: I cut that B word's throat nine times, and the
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  Speaker 1: B word didn't die. That's this nice lady that's on
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  Speaker 1: death row right now that they can't figure out how
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  Speaker 1: to kill. I mean, the Supreme Court had to go
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  Speaker 1: green light the execution because an appeals court put it
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  Speaker 1: on hold, which, by the way, that's cruel. She's an
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  Speaker 1: hour away. You talk about cruel and unusual punishment. She's
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  Speaker 1: about to die. Then they say, oh, no, there's a stay. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: let's throw it to the Supreme Court. Oh, no. Then
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  Speaker 1: the Supreme Court says, yeah, go ahead. Of course we're
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  Speaker 1: going to do it. And, of course, it was the
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  Speaker 1: typical 6-3. from the SCOTUS. It's always the same three
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  Speaker 1: libs holding out. They're always on the wrong side of
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  Speaker 1: every issue. Anyway, and this is not the first time
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  Speaker 1: this has happened in Tennessee. Or in America.
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  Speaker 2: We have a lethal injection problem. I think there's a
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  Speaker 2: supply chain problem with the quality of the stuff they're
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  Speaker 2: using because they could not kill her. And the question,
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  Speaker 2: and this is, I don't mean funny like in a
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  Speaker 2: real comical way, but it is almost satire, What did
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  Speaker 2: they do with her when they failed to kill her?
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  Speaker 2: They took her to the hospital. She's getting treated. The hospital? Yes.
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  Speaker 2: To what?
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  Speaker 1: To try to make her better?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, to get better so we can ostensibly try to
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  Speaker 2: execute her again.
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  Speaker 1: Kill her again.
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  Speaker 3: Yep.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you know what, though? I'm sorry. I'm enough. of
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  Speaker 1: a conspiracy theorist. I don't think I'm a conspiracy theorist,
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  Speaker 1: but maybe I am. This stinks like yesterday's herring. It's
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  Speaker 1: like somebody said, well, you know what? If we don't
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  Speaker 1: put it in the vein the right way, maybe she'll
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  Speaker 1: live and they'll get rid of this barbaric death penalty.
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  Speaker 2: I do not dismiss that at all from people tainting
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  Speaker 2: The supply of lethal injection chemicals to any one of
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  Speaker 2: a number of things, and not to be comical again,
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  Speaker 2: but of course, you know what the last thing they
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  Speaker 2: do before you get the needle in Huntsville or in
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  Speaker 2: Tennessee or whatever is they swab your arm because you
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  Speaker 2: don't want that thing to get infected.
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  Speaker 1: Right, you don't want a little infection there. That is
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  Speaker 1: so right. Well, I also love the last meal thing. Now,
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  Speaker 1: she didn't want a last meal. Look, I was up
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  Speaker 1: late the night watching this crap unfold. And, of course,
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  Speaker 1: I always have to make it about me. I'm now convinced,
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  Speaker 1: because of my new cardiovascular disease, that I'm about to
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  Speaker 1: keel over any second now. And they can't kill her.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't hurt anybody. And they can't kill her intentionally.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm about to drop. I may drop during M &
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  Speaker 1: M Extra today. I'm right in the middle, and they
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  Speaker 1: can't kill this woman who's.
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  Speaker 2: A brutal murderer?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, my gosh. What's going on in the world today?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, awesome.
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  Speaker 1: get that one person in, and I have a good feeling.
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  Speaker 1: All right. Now, let's see how that happens in the
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  Speaker 1: next couple of minutes. Fingers crossed. Prayers are up that
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  Speaker 1: somebody's heart is touched and wants to save those lives
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  Speaker 1: and have lunch with Mark and Mike in the Dallas-Fort
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  Speaker 1: Worth Metroplex. So go back. Honest to goodness, I'm not
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  Speaker 1: being rhetorical. What do they do with her now?
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  Speaker 2: He just can't let it go. Well, they stabilize her. Well, no,
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  Speaker 2: you haven't answered me. No, well, they stabilize her. And
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  Speaker 2: now what? And then we tee it up and give
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  Speaker 2: it another shot.
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  Speaker 1: Do it again?
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Isn't there like a thing when you survive an accident?
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  Speaker 2: No, that's a complete urban. Of course not.
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  Speaker 1: Really?
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  Speaker 2: We tried. We can't do it again. No, you guys.
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  Speaker 1: The audience. You get it right. The text message audience
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  Speaker 1: is in a forgiving mood. Dallas just wrote they need
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  Speaker 1: to drive a silver stake through her heart.
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  Speaker 2: Sorry, wow.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, look, it's hard to kill the devil.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, the devil, it's hard to stamp out evil.
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  Speaker 2: And maybe we have a methodology issue because this did
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  Speaker 2: not happen with old Sparky in the state of Florida
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  Speaker 2: in an execution that I witnessed in July of 1984.
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  Speaker 1: I forgot about that. You saw, you witnessed an execution.
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  Speaker 2: And it turned me into a staunch death penalty supporter.
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  Speaker 2: People said, if you ever see one, you'll be shrieking
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  Speaker 2: and repelled by the whole thing. I'm 26 when I
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  Speaker 2: go into this thing, and I've got a kind of
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  Speaker 2: a young punk libertarian thing going, does government really need
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  Speaker 2: to determine when people live or die, blah, blah, blah,
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  Speaker 2: which is a good sentence, but the ultimate answer is yes,
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  Speaker 2: because the death penalty is proper. It's symmetrical. It's scriptural.
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  Speaker 2: It's good. And when I saw the relief on the
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  Speaker 2: faces of the victims of this horrible man who had
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  Speaker 2: slaughtered people in Miami a couple years earlier, I was like,
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  Speaker 2: I said, I just saw something that was good and just. Now,
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  Speaker 2: that was 2,000 volts at 14 amps, and he was
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  Speaker 2: gone in, like, 90 seconds.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you know what also works? You know what also works?
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  Speaker 1: Firing squad. Firing squad doesn't really miss.
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  Speaker 2: Is Gary Gilmore, right? Utah, 1970-something. His famous quote, let's
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  Speaker 2: do it. And how did they do that? They put, like,
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  Speaker 2: five guys, and, like, only one or two of them
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  Speaker 2: have actual... They're real concerned about someone... Now, this is interesting.
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  Speaker 2: How would you like to be the executioner on that staff?
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  Speaker 2: In the firing squad, some of the guns had blanks
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  Speaker 2: so that people of the firing squad– could live the
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  Speaker 2: rest of their lives and say, maybe it wasn't my
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  Speaker 2: bullet that killed him. That would not have bothered me,
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  Speaker 2: by the way. I would have wanted it to be
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  Speaker 2: my bullet that killed him. I don't know what you
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  Speaker 2: do with the syringe there. I don't think you have
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  Speaker 2: seven syringes and people going, oh, mine contains Kool-Aid. I
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  Speaker 2: do not know.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's a wild thing, and you know what's
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  Speaker 1: going to happen. This has just given up. all kinds
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  Speaker 1: of fodder to the anti-death penalty crowd.
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  Speaker 2: Of course.
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  Speaker 1: They're saying it's cruel, it's terrible, it's unusual. It doesn't work.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm not kidding you. When I'm talking about the
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  Speaker 1: pillow over the head, why not? I mean, just.
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  Speaker 2: Put her out. Because that probably is cruel and unusual.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you're killing her.
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  Speaker 2: No, I know.
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  Speaker 1: I never.
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  Speaker 2: Then why don't we just hang her from a tree
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  Speaker 2: until she... I mean, there are things... I'm always... We
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  Speaker 2: did hanging back in the day.
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  Speaker 1: I'm always fascinated that we're worried about the method of
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  Speaker 1: killing somebody.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's optics. And I know what you mean.
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  Speaker 2: It's all optics. I don't lie awake at night. In
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  Speaker 2: view of what these people did, I don't lie awake
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  Speaker 2: at night worrying about coddling them to their death. However,
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  Speaker 2: as a society... We would probably like to be a
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  Speaker 2: little bit high-minded about this. We're going to kill you.
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  Speaker 2: But with the electric chair, it's apparently, from what I'm told,
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  Speaker 2: it's like being hit by a train at a million
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  Speaker 2: miles an hour. You don't feel anything. You are gone.
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  Speaker 2: Lethal injection is like putting your dog to sleep, again,
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  Speaker 2: or so I'm told.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I did.
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  Speaker 3: Firing squad's a little grisly, but, you know. Blood spatter
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  Speaker 3: and all that, head blown off. I mean, that's a
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  Speaker 3: little rough. I mean, look, we've all had to, us
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  Speaker 3: dog lovers, we've all been there, done that. I'll never
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  Speaker 3: get over, and I've done it four times in my life,
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  Speaker 3: which is the worst.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, man. It's terrible. And you know what, though? It's
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  Speaker 1: the most peaceful, gentle, wonderful thing for an alien dog
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  Speaker 1: to have that injection and they just stop moving.
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  Speaker 2: And I don't think anybody's German shepherd ever sprang from
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  Speaker 2: the table and went, but didn't work. I mean, so
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  Speaker 2: if we can make this work, if we can bat
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  Speaker 2: a thousand with this at the veterinarian's office, it would
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  Speaker 2: seem like we wouldn't be dropping the ball on death row.
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  Speaker 1: Do you think the online rumors that the execution squad
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  Speaker 1: was made up of all females is true?
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  Speaker 2: That seems like a Lindsay Clancy urban myth.
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  Speaker 1: It's all over the Internet.
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  Speaker 2: It's on the Internet.
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  Speaker 1: I believe it. It's on the Internet.
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  Speaker 2: Well, there you are.
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  Speaker 1: If I saw it online, it seemed– what I also
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  Speaker 1: saw was a bunch of heroes saving 175 lives on that–
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  Speaker 1: fly Dubai plane. What a story. And did you see
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  Speaker 1: how they called it like a tussle? A skirmish or something?
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  Speaker 1: A skirmish.
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  Speaker 2: It was just kind of a disagreement. They were concerned
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  Speaker 2: about the altitude.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they were arguing about the temperature in the cockpit.
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  Speaker 1: Dinner choices. Yeah, they didn't Heaven forbid they say jihadist
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  Speaker 1: terrorists wanted to have another 9-11. No, let's not say that.
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  Speaker 1: Let's dance around that story. You don't hate the news
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  Speaker 1: media enough. Enough, enough, enough. And Steve Hilton clobbered Becerra
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  Speaker 1: in the debate last night. We've got some highlights for
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  Speaker 1: that as well.
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  Speaker 2: California governor, can he win?
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  Speaker 1: No, maybe not, but probably not. But there's a lot
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  Speaker 1: of places where Republicans can win, and I don't think
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  Speaker 1: you're optimistic enough. When I told you about the vibe
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  Speaker 1: change in America, I'm telling you, Mark, go with it.
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  Speaker 2: I'm totally, totally right. Listen, I'm the guy who says
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  Speaker 2: that I consider it to be a thoroughly plausible notion
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  Speaker 2: that the disaster does not happen. Paxton is absolutely going
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  Speaker 2: to beat Tallarico. Don't know about Michelle in Minnesota. I
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  Speaker 2: certainly don't know about California. But all kinds of things
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  Speaker 2: are possible, and I think we are going to fend–
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  Speaker 2: I think we– as you have so skillfully said, all
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  Speaker 2: we have to do is show up. If we care
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  Speaker 2: enough about this country, we can fend off the midterm disaster.
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  Speaker 2: I believe it is possible. I'm going to pray for
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  Speaker 2: that to happen.
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  Speaker 1: Amen. Love it.
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  Speaker 2: Love it.
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