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188. Jenna Johnson Chmerkovskiy, 'Dancing With the Stars' Pro · Hurdle with Emily Abbate

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Speaker 1: There's going to be many more times where you're going
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Speaker 2: Hello, Hello, Emily, a body here coming to you from
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Speaker 3: For episode one eighty eight.
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Speaker 2: I am talking with Jenna Johnson Kovski. She's known by
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Speaker 2: so many for her time on Dancing with the Stars,
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Speaker 2: where she's been dancing since age nineteen. The show just
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Speaker 2: finished its thirtieth season, and for it, Jenna was paired
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Speaker 2: up with Jojo Siwah, making the duo the first same
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Speaker 2: sex couple in the show's history. We talk about how
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Speaker 2: that came to be, plus how.
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Speaker 3: She got to be a pro on the show.
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Speaker 2: In the first place, growing up, dancing competitively, winning international titles,
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Speaker 2: and even making an appearance on So You Think You
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Speaker 2: Can Dance after moving to LA and for going college
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Speaker 2: at eighteen years old. She also talks to me about
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Speaker 2: the difficulties she's faced as she's gained a following on
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Speaker 2: social media, especially how difficult it was when other people
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Speaker 2: started to vocalize how they felt about her body. Q
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Speaker 2: conversations about body dysmorphia, weight loss, and the creative outlet
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Speaker 2: aside from dance that helped her come into her own
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Speaker 2: and cope with her mental struggles. Plus we wrap about
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Speaker 2: her husband Val, what's on deck for her now that
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Speaker 2: season thirty is over, and so much more. Loved this
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Speaker 3: And with that, oh, let's get to hurdling. Today.
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Speaker 2: I'm sitting down with Jenna Johnson Schmarkowski. She is a
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Speaker 2: Dancing with the Stars pro, a unbelievable dancer.
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Speaker 3: How you doing today, Jed?
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Speaker 1: I am great. Thank you thanks for having me.
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Speaker 3: Of course, I'm so happy for you to be here.
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Speaker 2: I have to give you kudos because you have recently
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Speaker 2: done something that I have wanted to do for a
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Speaker 2: long time but haven't been able to find the courage
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Speaker 2: to do.
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Speaker 3: Oka went with a little hair chop.
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Speaker 1: Yes I did, Are you like?
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Speaker 2: Are you happy? It's the decision. Did you think twice
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Speaker 2: about the decision? Was it hard to make the decision?
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Speaker 1: Here's the thing, for many years, here she is, we
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Speaker 1: went with a blunt cut. I love her. So here's
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Speaker 1: the thing. I had short hair for a while and
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Speaker 1: I loved it, and I was I just felt so
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Speaker 1: sassy and free, and I was like, you know what,
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Speaker 1: this is such such a fun hairstyle. It's so much
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Speaker 1: easier than long hair. Then during COVID, I was like, ugh,
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Speaker 1: I'm going to grow it out. I love I mean, like,
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Speaker 1: look at your hair. I love people with long hair
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Speaker 1: just looks so like sexy and gorgeous. So I had
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Speaker 1: it for a while and then I was like in
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Speaker 1: this whole like happiness phase where I was really trying
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Speaker 1: to put my mental health first, and I was listening
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Speaker 1: to all these audio books and in one of my
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Speaker 1: books it said, you know, like when you're going through
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Speaker 1: a change or when you want just like a fresh start,
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Speaker 1: you should do something drastic, and and one of the
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Speaker 1: options was chop off your hair. And I was like,
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Speaker 1: you know what, it's time. I have a lot of
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Speaker 1: energy and baggage, even just like through the past two
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Speaker 1: years of like COVID, and all of this stuff attached
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Speaker 1: to my hair, and I was like, this will be
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Speaker 1: a great refresh, a restart. So it was so scary.
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Speaker 1: I waited until after the season of Dancing with the Stars,
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Speaker 1: but I chopped it and it was free. I mean,
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Speaker 1: I was like panicking because I gotten so used to
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Speaker 1: my long hair, and I loved it. But I definitely
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Speaker 1: feel more like myself.
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Speaker 2: So all right, maybe you're giving me the confidence I
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Speaker 2: need to know about doing a similar change. I started
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Speaker 2: working with a new hairstylist not all that long ago,
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Speaker 2: and she told me that she gets at least three
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Speaker 2: cuts with me, and I thought cut number two was
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Speaker 2: going to be the one where we did something like
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Speaker 2: you did and went a little bit shorter. But then
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Speaker 2: we were thinking about like the winter, and how like
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Speaker 2: you know, you had a new excuse, right.
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Speaker 1: I know, I know, and I knew that I set
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Speaker 1: this date and I was like, I know that if
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Speaker 1: I cancel on this or if I don't commit, I'm
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Speaker 1: not going to do it. I'm going to chicken out.
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Speaker 1: But my hairdresser, his name's Bradley Leake, he really held
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Speaker 1: me accountable and he knew I wanted to do it,
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Speaker 1: and He's like, we just got to do it.
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Speaker 2: I mean, you mentioned obviously the last two years certainly
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Speaker 2: being a little bit challenging to say the least. I
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Speaker 2: am sure that everyone listening to this can certainly agree
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Speaker 2: with you when you think about the last two years,
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Speaker 2: what would you say was probably one of the biggest
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Speaker 2: surprise word here, hurdles that you had to navigate going
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Speaker 2: through that difficult time.
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Speaker 1: I am a performer and I've known this. That wasn't
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Speaker 1: a surprise to me, but I never knew the impact
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Speaker 1: or the value that having a live audience could do
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Speaker 1: for me as an artist and a performer. And it's crazy.
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Speaker 1: I mean again, there are like little silver linings in everything,
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Speaker 1: because on the flip side, I then had to find
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Speaker 1: how to be fulfilled by myself and by my inner
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Speaker 1: circle and not have to rely on like people's validation
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Speaker 1: or energy, cheers, applauses, words of affirmations to keep me
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Speaker 1: content and happy. But I that was and it was
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Speaker 1: shocking because I never knew how much that that would
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Speaker 1: mean to me. And it really was hard not being
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Speaker 1: able to be in theaters or public settings we were
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Speaker 1: we were on the Dancing with the Stars tour when
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Speaker 1: COVID hit and you know, we were we had I
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Speaker 1: think about four more weeks less of shows, which is
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Speaker 1: essentially a show every day, you know, and so that
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Speaker 1: I felt like that got cut short. And then even
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Speaker 1: during the season of twenty twenty, we didn't have a
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Speaker 1: live audience. No one was allowed inside, and it's just
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Speaker 1: it was crazy, Like that really left an emptiness in
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Speaker 1: my heart. But again, you know, like it was a
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Speaker 1: nice wake up call, like you need to find other
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Speaker 1: ways to be fulfilled and not have to rely on this.
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Speaker 1: But I think that was a big, big hurdle for
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Speaker 1: me in a real eye opening experience hearing this.
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Speaker 2: So many can certainly relate with this idea of needing
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Speaker 2: to become like maybe just a little bit more self reliant. Right,
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Speaker 2: it was like we got to this place over the
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Speaker 2: last eighteen months, twenty months, two years now where it
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Speaker 2: was like I need to take ownership and be responsible
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Speaker 2: for my own joy.
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Speaker 1: Yes, which was another huge moment because I think that
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Speaker 1: I find a lot of joy and I just feel
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Speaker 1: more content. And when I'm working, when I'm constantly busy,
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Speaker 1: when I have a chaotic schedule, I feel like, oh,
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Speaker 1: I'm accomplishing things and so to go so drastically nothing.
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Speaker 1: It was really hard to be like, who am I
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Speaker 1: other than a dancer? Yeah? What do I have to
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Speaker 1: offer to this world? Like you know? And so it
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Speaker 1: was again little silver linings trying to make the best
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Speaker 1: out of the situation. I had to find out, Hey,
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Speaker 1: what my hobbies were. I didn't even really have hobbies
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Speaker 1: because I've just been in so work mode since I
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Speaker 1: was about like fifteen. What brings me joy? What I
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Speaker 1: need in life, what I don't and how to be
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Speaker 1: happy living at home, being a wifey, being a dog mom.
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Speaker 1: You know, there were all these things that I started
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Speaker 1: to so enjoy and love, which I don't think I
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Speaker 1: would have had those if COVID didn't happen. But yeah,
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Speaker 1: it was a lot like that. I just remember specifically
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Speaker 1: that moment of like what do I have to offer
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Speaker 1: the world other than being a dancer and a performer?
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Speaker 1: Like who? You know? Who is Jenna?
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Speaker 2: The biggest identity moment for all of us, like asking
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Speaker 2: ourselves so many of the important questions that you articulated.
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Speaker 2: You also mentioned starting dance, you know, at a young age,
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Speaker 2: I know, actually before fifteen.
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Speaker 3: Talk to me a little bit about that.
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Speaker 2: Beginning phase and how you fell in love with dance
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Speaker 2: because spoiler alert, you knew from a young age that
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Speaker 2: you wanted to do this for a very long time.
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Speaker 1: I started dancing when I was three years old. And
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Speaker 1: I have two older sisters who were also dancers, and
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Speaker 1: so my mom would take them to the dance studio
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Speaker 1: and I would just beg and cry, can I please
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Speaker 1: go into dance class with them? And she said, I
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Speaker 1: would just like watch in the window so eagerly. So
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Speaker 1: I just I've always been infatuated with it. Again, I
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Speaker 1: keep saying this word. I don't want it to be repetitive,
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Speaker 1: but I think that I have been a performer my
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Speaker 1: whole life. Even at family gatherings, I would want to
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Speaker 1: get up and seeing or dance or like acts in
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Speaker 1: front of everyone, always putting on a show. And so
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Speaker 1: I just I I really dove headfirst into it. And
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Speaker 1: I said this, but I didn't have much of a
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Speaker 1: social life because I just was so invested and clearly
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Speaker 1: knew from a young age that this is what I
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Speaker 1: want to do. I don't know how, I don't know
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Speaker 1: what this entails, what I'm going to be doing, because again,
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Speaker 1: dancing with the stars didn't really start until I was
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Speaker 1: like twelve, I'm going to really age some people and myself,
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Speaker 1: but you know, and it was kind of just like, oh,
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Speaker 1: this is a this is a one time thing. This
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Speaker 1: isn't going to be able to last. And so for
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Speaker 1: my parents, you know, like dancing as a career choice.
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Speaker 1: I'm the first kid in my family to not go
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Speaker 1: to college, and I knew that that was huge. I'm
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Speaker 1: one of six, and so that was you know, a
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Speaker 1: real big like leap of faith moment for myself but
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Speaker 1: also for my parents. But they just believed in me,
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Speaker 1: and I believed in myself so confidently. I don't know
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Speaker 1: why or how, but I just knew that this is
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Speaker 1: what I want to do, this is what I'm going
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Speaker 1: to do, and this is all I want to do.
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Speaker 2: Talk to me about one of the biggest lessons that
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Speaker 2: being in such a big family taught you from the
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Speaker 2: get go.
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Speaker 1: I love that being one of six, I immediately had five
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Speaker 1: best friends. And my husband jokes with me now because
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Speaker 1: he's like, you're the most antisocial person in the world,
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Speaker 1: and I'm like, because I already have five best friends, Like,
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Speaker 1: I don't need a bunch of other people in my
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Speaker 1: life because I have my circle. I think something that
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Speaker 1: also really was the benefit of being one of six
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Speaker 1: was having to be independent. You know, all of us
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Speaker 1: were heavily active in extracurricular activities in sports. Athletics is
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Speaker 1: a really big part of my family, and so my
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Speaker 1: mom couldn't just focus on packing my bag having to
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Speaker 1: do this for me. I was traveling by myself with
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Speaker 1: my partner. We would go to barm competitions when I
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Speaker 1: was like sixteen years old, and I would be navigating
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Speaker 1: the airport for him. I mean again, my partner had
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Speaker 1: no idea what he was doing, but I was like,
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Speaker 1: this is our terminal and we need to check in here,
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Speaker 1: like you know. And it was awesome, and I loved
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Speaker 1: that I got to be so free and independent at
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Speaker 1: a young age and to take ownership of that. I
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Speaker 1: have to deal with now the back end of it
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Speaker 1: of like having to trust people a bit more, having
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Speaker 1: to be more social, and yeah, as you said.
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Speaker 2: Having to find that independence, but also being so content
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Speaker 2: being surrounded by so much love and support. I would
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Speaker 2: imagine that the decision to forego college was probably a
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Speaker 2: little bit scary.
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Speaker 1: It was because I don't want to say it was
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Speaker 1: the easy route for me to take, to just follow
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Speaker 1: in all of my siblings' footsteps and in my parents' footsteps.
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Speaker 1: I knew that that would be a safe option, that
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Speaker 1: this is what my life would look like if I
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Speaker 1: do this potentially, but I knew that I wouldn't be happy.
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Speaker 1: I loved school, I love learning, But in a sense,
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Speaker 1: I felt like I kind of got my college experience
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Speaker 1: by moving to LA when I was eighteen, having six
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Speaker 1: roommates at one time, moving from apartment to apartment. I
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Speaker 1: fended for myself since I was eighteen years old, you know.
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Speaker 1: So it was a really amazing experience that I would
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Speaker 1: never trade. And I feel like that also forced me
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Speaker 1: to figure out who I am really quickly, to know
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Speaker 1: what I value, what I believe in, what I want
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Speaker 1: to do with my life. I had to hustle, and
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Speaker 1: I'm really grateful that I did. I chose the path
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Speaker 1: that I did. But there's a part of me too
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Speaker 1: that looks back and you know, like my siblings have
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Speaker 1: college roommates that they're lifelong friends with, and I'm like, oh,
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Speaker 1: that would have been so fun, you know, or have
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Speaker 1: these these discussions about what the college life was like.
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Speaker 1: But I guy had that too. You know, my casts
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Speaker 1: of Dancing with Stars are essentially my college roommates. We
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Speaker 1: went on seven tours together, living on a bus, in
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Speaker 1: bunk beds, you know, so those are also experiences that
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Speaker 1: they would never have or they've never had, you know.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, pros and constable, but yeah, it was it
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Speaker 1: was very scary making that decision, and especially graduating high
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Speaker 1: school and all of my friends were getting accepted into colleges,
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Speaker 1: and I applied to many different colleges, but I just
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Speaker 1: I ultimately knew that I just wanted to move to LA.
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Speaker 2: And then at eighteen, also that's exactly when you auditioned
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Speaker 2: for so you think you can dance. So talk to
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Speaker 2: me about what it was like to be eighteen fresh
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Speaker 2: into LA and you were like, all right, I guess
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Speaker 2: it's time to go on this kind of national stage here.
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Speaker 1: Oh man, I wish I could go back in time
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Speaker 1: so many times and just like read that phase of
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Speaker 1: my life. But it was also I have so much
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Speaker 1: to be grateful for for that show, because it is
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Speaker 1: really what brought me exposed to so many different people producers.
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Speaker 1: I ultimately got hired from dancing or by Dancing with
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Speaker 1: the stars from that show anyway, but I had never
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Speaker 1: been on TV before. I had never performed on TV before,
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Speaker 1: and so performing for a live audience and for them
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Speaker 1: like the screen with a red dot saying we're live,
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Speaker 1: was very different. It also happened to be at the
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Speaker 1: same time that social media popped off, and I remember,
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Speaker 1: because I was a contestant on the show, they got
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Speaker 1: us Instagram handles and Twitter handles. I'd never really heard
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Speaker 1: of either platforms before, and then was kind of like
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Speaker 1: forced into you need a post about this because you
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Speaker 1: need people to vote for you, you need people to like,
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Speaker 1: you need to get people engaged with you. And this
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Speaker 1: is true. I ended up being the way. So you
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Speaker 1: think you can dance works. There's top twenty, you all compete,
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Speaker 1: you do duets. It ends up that there's like a
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Speaker 1: bottom two for both boys and girls. So there's a
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Speaker 1: bottom two boys and girls every show, every episode. And
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Speaker 1: then at that time, the show was having the judges
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Speaker 1: and the audience or the choreographers save one person that
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Speaker 1: they would let go back into the next week and compete.
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Speaker 1: I was in the bottom two five times. I hold
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Speaker 1: the record of Safety Can Dance contestants that has been
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Speaker 1: in the bottom the most times, and I, you know, well,
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Speaker 1: I'll proudly take it. And I remember that this I
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Speaker 1: was so devastated and confused why people didn't like me.
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Speaker 1: And I thought that this meant that people didn't like
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Speaker 1: me as a dancer, that I wasn't good at dancing,
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Speaker 1: that people didn't like my personality, and it really started
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Speaker 1: to affect my mental health and like and I then was,
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Speaker 1: you know, trying my hardest to work as hard in
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Speaker 1: these dances. But every time, these five times, the judges
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Speaker 1: and the choreographers kept saving me because they knew what
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Speaker 1: kind of work ethic I had, they knew me as
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Speaker 1: a person, and I was just so grateful that they
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Speaker 1: kept saving me. But it was the first time that
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Speaker 1: I then was confronted with this like social media just
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Speaker 1: h haters, fan bases. You know, it was a lot
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Speaker 1: to try to process all at the same time. And
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Speaker 1: I'll never forget the executive producer of that show, his
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Speaker 1: named Jeff Stacker. He pulled me aside and he's like, listen,
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Speaker 1: people don't vote you off of this show. They vote
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Speaker 1: you on, So you just need to shift your perspective
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Speaker 1: in your mindset of like nobody's voting you off or
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Speaker 1: to be in the bottom too. You just might not
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Speaker 1: be getting as many votes as some other people. And
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Speaker 1: that did help me. But yeah, I think that I
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Speaker 1: wasn't the best version of myself when I was doing
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Speaker 1: Safety you Can Dance. And so that's why I said,
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Speaker 1: I wish I could go back into time, because I
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Speaker 1: wish I could mentally be better, because I think I
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Speaker 1: would enjoy the experience more. I wouldn't care as much
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Speaker 1: as what people thought or what people had to say.
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Speaker 1: But I was trying to navigate this new internet space.
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Speaker 1: And then, you know, I had been a really accomplished dancer.
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Speaker 1: I was winning titles, I was getting all of the
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Speaker 1: accolades that you could get. I was beating a lot
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Speaker 1: of my peers that were on the show in the
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Speaker 1: dance world, you know, or in the convention comptition world.
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Speaker 1: And then I just felt like I shrank into this
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Speaker 1: like tiny bitty dancer that uugh. Anyway, it was such
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Speaker 1: an incredible experience, but I just wish I was a
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Speaker 1: better version of myself at the time or knew how
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Speaker 1: to handle it.
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Speaker 2: So yeah, I think a lot of people can totally
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Speaker 2: hear you on this note that social media can be
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Speaker 2: entirely overwhelming, especially you know, being thrown into it having
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Speaker 2: all of this exposure. I know that that struggle kind
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Speaker 2: of continued for you as you transitioned into being on
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Speaker 2: Dancing with the Stars. So how did you continue to
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Speaker 2: cope with that as you just kept getting more and
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Speaker 2: more of a following.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it really, it really ruined me for a little bit,
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Speaker 1: and I unfortunately had to publicly. I mean again, I
20:08
Speaker 1: had this now platform once I joined Dancing with the Stars,
20:12
Speaker 1: and I was excited about it. But then I think
20:18
Speaker 1: that I let people get the best of me, and
20:20
Speaker 1: I focused too much on people's comments or what they
20:24
Speaker 1: had to say, and I ended up going through this
20:27
Speaker 1: like big body transformation. I had a lot of hormonal imbalances.
20:31
Speaker 1: I gained a ton of weight. I was really unhappy.
20:36
Speaker 1: And this is I think the first time as well
20:38
Speaker 1: in my life where I was confronted with like my
20:40
Speaker 1: mental health and maybe something's wrong or maybe I have
20:44
Speaker 1: an imbalance going on. And I had to go through
20:49
Speaker 1: this whole public transformation in front of people, you know,
20:54
Speaker 1: and then I also was involved with somebody on the show,
20:58
Speaker 1: and then people would then in twine those you know,
21:01
Speaker 1: and so they would say I wasn't good enough or
21:05
Speaker 1: skinny enough, or I was too fat to be with
21:08
Speaker 1: this person. You know. It was just like wild. I
21:11
Speaker 1: would get people's screenshotting paparazzi photos of like thee worst
21:16
Speaker 1: photos of me and would post it and like tag
21:20
Speaker 1: all of my peers in it, tag Val in it,
21:22
Speaker 1: like tag my family in it. It was insane and
21:26
Speaker 1: it ruined me for a while. And my family didn't
21:30
Speaker 1: really know what to do because they weren't in Hollywood whatsoever.
21:34
Speaker 1: They also weren't really in social media, so they didn't
21:36
Speaker 1: know how to help me in this. But I am
21:40
Speaker 1: so grateful for I ended up getting some help through therapy.
21:45
Speaker 1: But I also am so grateful for my in laws,
21:49
Speaker 1: my now in laws. But Max, Peter and Val, you know,
21:54
Speaker 1: they had a couple more years of experience on the
21:56
Speaker 1: show and being in this public setting and have to
22:00
Speaker 1: deal with a relationship publicly, or just you know, fan
22:04
Speaker 1: bases in general in the show and the audience of
22:06
Speaker 1: Dancing with the Starts. They're really really passionate. They care
22:09
Speaker 1: a ton, and they helped guide me through and they
22:13
Speaker 1: were my support system during that time. And I'm so
22:16
Speaker 1: incredibly grateful that I had that, and even now, you know,
22:20
Speaker 1: it's I think our family is a wild It's crazy
22:24
Speaker 1: that there's been four of us on a hit television
22:27
Speaker 1: show and in the public eye. And I love that
22:31
Speaker 1: we have each other to turn to because there are
22:35
Speaker 1: so many moments that you know, as much as my
22:38
Speaker 1: family can understand, they'll just never understand. So it's been
22:42
Speaker 1: amazing to have their support and guidance.
22:45
Speaker 2: I love the positive spin on the phrasing that the
22:49
Speaker 2: audience is so passionate.
22:52
Speaker 3: They are passionate, and.
22:54
Speaker 1: You know, I once I started to figure out my
22:59
Speaker 1: own health and my mental space and I got really
23:03
Speaker 1: confident just of who I was and what I had
23:07
Speaker 1: to offer. I think then there was a really big
23:10
Speaker 1: shift of how I saw the audience, how I saw
23:14
Speaker 1: my followers, how I viewed social media, and what was
23:18
Speaker 1: a priority and what wasn't. And now I have a
23:20
Speaker 1: really beautiful positive experience with social media. I mean, again,
23:24
Speaker 1: I get haters all the time, but their effect and
23:28
Speaker 1: their voice isn't as loud, doesn't have an impact on me.
23:32
Speaker 1: And I think also a huge contributor to that mindset
23:36
Speaker 1: is my husband. One of his best qualities he doesn't
23:42
Speaker 1: care what people think. He cares what certain people think
23:47
Speaker 1: and values like his family, you know, his friends, what
23:52
Speaker 1: they think. But he doesn't for one second dwell on
23:57
Speaker 1: what anybody that is a stranger has to think about him.
24:00
Speaker 1: Just doesn't. And I love that, And that's been something
24:03
Speaker 1: that I've had to learn and really really work on,
24:05
Speaker 1: but it's benefited me a ton.
24:09
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think what's that saying.
24:10
Speaker 2: It's like, don't take anyone's opinion to like seriously, who
24:14
Speaker 2: you wouldn't look to for advice.
24:17
Speaker 1: Or who you're gonna call when something is going wrong?
24:20
Speaker 1: You know, right? Yeah, Like those are the people that
24:23
Speaker 1: you need to turn to.
24:26
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, for sure.
24:27
Speaker 2: And if you don't mind me asking, I mean, you
24:29
Speaker 2: said that it ruined you. So the first part of
24:32
Speaker 2: this question is do you remember, like some of the
24:36
Speaker 2: things that you would.
24:37
Speaker 1: Read, Absolutely, they'll never go away in my brain, which
24:41
Speaker 1: is terrible and sad, and then really shows me the
24:43
Speaker 1: effects of social media, especially for this younger generation, and
24:47
Speaker 1: I want to protect at all costs. Yeah, I remember
24:51
Speaker 1: there was an account that was made, I mean multiple accounts,
24:54
Speaker 1: but one of them was Piggy Jenna, like Piggy and
24:58
Speaker 1: they would just post like real a bad photos of
25:01
Speaker 1: me looking super heavy, super overweight and unflattering and just
25:07
Speaker 1: just terrible. I used to also screenshot com or like dms.
25:13
Speaker 1: I get nasty dms all the time. But yeah, one
25:16
Speaker 1: was like I think I even reposted it, but it
25:18
Speaker 1: was like, you know that val would have never married
25:21
Speaker 1: you if you were still fat. I was just like,
25:24
Speaker 1: are people psychotic? And it's funny too, because in my mind,
25:30
Speaker 1: even my worst enemy, I don't have a ton, but
25:35
Speaker 1: even somebody that I just like loathed, I would never
25:40
Speaker 1: in my right mind or at any phase in my
25:43
Speaker 1: life be like I'm going to write this to them,
25:45
Speaker 1: this is what I'm gonna do. This is really what
25:48
Speaker 1: does it do for you? How does it help you?
25:51
Speaker 1: So then I started to also change my perspective of
25:54
Speaker 1: I feel really bad for these people that must be
25:57
Speaker 1: this miserable that they have the time, the energy and
26:01
Speaker 1: feel comfortable doing this.
26:04
Speaker 2: Yep, because that's the takeaway here, because it isn't about you.
26:07
Speaker 2: It's not like this hate and anger. It's about something
26:11
Speaker 2: that's more often than not going on in their life,
26:14
Speaker 2: and so they're projecting that on somebody else.
26:17
Speaker 1: Yes, that's what it was. And so I had to
26:19
Speaker 1: learn that, which was hard and took some time. But again,
26:24
Speaker 1: silver Linings, I'm all about this. This phase really ignited
26:29
Speaker 1: something inside of me and just my nature in general.
26:33
Speaker 1: AM incredibly competitive. I'm super stubborn, and when somebody tells
26:39
Speaker 1: me I can't do something or I shouldn't, I'm going
26:42
Speaker 1: to just do it or I'm going to prove them wrong.
26:44
Speaker 1: That's that's always been my mentality. And so this kind
26:49
Speaker 1: of you know, I had a moment of it completely
26:51
Speaker 1: broke me, but then it ignited something and I started
26:55
Speaker 1: to get healthy from the inside out, starting with my
26:57
Speaker 1: mind then kind of transforming into my body, which was
27:01
Speaker 1: just like a trickle effect. But I ended up I
27:04
Speaker 1: was so and then I started sharing this on social media.
27:08
Speaker 1: I wanted to be real. I didn't want to hide
27:10
Speaker 1: what I was going through. I wanted to be open.
27:13
Speaker 1: And the response was insane. I got thousands of messages
27:19
Speaker 1: thanking me and being like I'm going through this too,
27:21
Speaker 1: or I know somebody that also went through this, like
27:24
Speaker 1: thanks for being real. And so I decided to launch
27:28
Speaker 1: a blog. It was like a well being blog, and
27:31
Speaker 1: it was called Get Real with Jen and it was
27:34
Speaker 1: so fulfilling. I would do these blog posts on just
27:38
Speaker 1: being honest and open anything and everything from spirituality to
27:43
Speaker 1: what I was eating in my nutrition to workouts I
27:46
Speaker 1: was doing, or like a really anxiety depression field day
27:50
Speaker 1: that I was having, and I just received the most beautiful,
27:56
Speaker 1: encouraging messages every day, and it I don't think I
28:01
Speaker 1: would have had this moment unless I went through that
28:05
Speaker 1: bad phase, you know, and to be broken down, But
28:08
Speaker 1: you have to be broken down to then find yourself.
28:11
Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, that's the journey of life.
28:14
Speaker 1: And so I'm so grateful that I did have that
28:16
Speaker 1: moment and I started this blog and then it just
28:19
Speaker 1: from then on kind of kept my intention clear and
28:23
Speaker 1: my brain of like, from now on, I'm not going
28:26
Speaker 1: to try to be a picture perfect, but I'm going
28:28
Speaker 1: to be real. I'm going to be open, and that's
28:32
Speaker 1: the kind of relationship I want to have with my fans,
28:35
Speaker 1: my followers, you know, my audience, whatever in anything I
28:38
Speaker 1: do in my performing and my social media posts. Whatever.
28:42
Speaker 1: What happened to the blog, The blog was the best
28:46
Speaker 1: thing ever. But my sister and my sister and I
28:49
Speaker 1: were actually running it. We were doing everything from like
28:52
Speaker 1: back end website, all of that jazz, and it just
28:55
Speaker 1: became a little bit too overwhelming. At the time, I
28:57
Speaker 1: was on tour with Dancing with the Stars and then
28:59
Speaker 1: the season picked up and it just kind of dwindled away.
29:04
Speaker 1: But it is something that I definitely would love to
29:06
Speaker 1: revisit because when I look back at powerful moments in
29:11
Speaker 1: my life, career or personally, that is a moment that
29:15
Speaker 1: sticks out to me of like the best thing I've
29:17
Speaker 1: ever done. So I'd love hopefully to I need to
29:21
Speaker 1: get a team involved, but I would love to reboot
29:24
Speaker 1: that and start that again.
29:26
Speaker 3: If anybody's listening, Jena is looking for some web people,
29:30
Speaker 3: hit me out how to find her? Yeah, a find her.
29:33
Speaker 2: The one last thing I do want to ask you
29:36
Speaker 2: about this difficult time for you. You mentioned the upswing
29:40
Speaker 2: from that having been at such a low point. I
29:43
Speaker 2: think a lot of people get to this low point
29:47
Speaker 2: and just feel truly so stuck. And for some that
29:51
Speaker 2: stuck feeling lasts for a while, for some it doesn't
29:55
Speaker 2: last so long. What would you credit aside from maybe
29:59
Speaker 2: you mentioned the benefit of having such a close family relationship,
30:04
Speaker 2: such close personal relationships, but what else would you credit
30:08
Speaker 2: with helping to pull you out of that darker place.
30:14
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean again, when you are that zero, you
30:18
Speaker 1: know you have two options. You can remain there or
30:22
Speaker 1: you can get out of it. You're the worst that
30:24
Speaker 1: you've gotten, so there's not a lot lower that you
30:26
Speaker 1: can get. But I'm really I think again it attributes
30:31
Speaker 1: to that independence I had from childhood of I had
30:37
Speaker 1: to be the one to pull myself out of it.
30:39
Speaker 1: It couldn't be anybody else. And I think that I
30:42
Speaker 1: had a lot of people I could turn to and
30:45
Speaker 1: ask for help. That was never a doubt in my mind.
30:48
Speaker 1: But I think at the end of the day, I
30:50
Speaker 1: had to make a decision of you're either going to
30:54
Speaker 1: do this or you're not. And once I made that
30:57
Speaker 1: decision in my brain, it it just switched everything for me.
31:02
Speaker 1: And again there were times where it was hard and
31:04
Speaker 1: where I just wanted to like go back into like, oh,
31:07
Speaker 1: this is too much. But I'm really grateful for I
31:12
Speaker 1: think my own willpower and something that just I've always
31:16
Speaker 1: been really driven and really competitive, and I think I
31:21
Speaker 1: treated it more of like a game, not a game,
31:23
Speaker 1: but like a competition with myself, like how can I
31:26
Speaker 1: get there? Can I do it the best? Ever? And
31:30
Speaker 1: remain strong through it all. So I have to give
31:34
Speaker 1: myself some credit. You know what, we don't give ourselves
31:36
Speaker 1: credit enough. But I do feel like I have to
31:38
Speaker 1: give my own willpower some credit in that moment. But again,
31:42
Speaker 1: for those of you that maybe don't have that sort
31:45
Speaker 1: of brain mind's power, I think surround yourself by people
31:49
Speaker 1: that do that are going to motivate you, that are
31:52
Speaker 1: going to inspire you, that are going to push you,
31:56
Speaker 1: that are going to be honest with you. Ugh, honesty
31:59
Speaker 1: is the best policy, see in my book. And I
32:03
Speaker 1: just appreciate those people that are blunt and like, listen,
32:07
Speaker 1: get out of this, do the work, do what you
32:10
Speaker 1: need to do. But like you've got to just do it.
32:13
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I do think that sometimes it is at
32:16
Speaker 2: that rock bottom place.
32:17
Speaker 3: It's in these really emotional moments.
32:19
Speaker 2: Where like we're able to have that level of like
32:23
Speaker 2: unfiltered honesty with ourselves. I mean, there have been so
32:26
Speaker 2: many different big moments in my life where I've been
32:29
Speaker 2: sitting somewhere like in tears, whether it be about how
32:32
Speaker 2: I feel about my body, or getting out of a relationship,
32:36
Speaker 2: or dealing with things when it comes to business and
32:39
Speaker 2: making difficult decisions, and it is in each of these
32:42
Speaker 2: like really difficult, like what feel like rock bottom moments,
32:45
Speaker 2: that something so beautiful is born.
32:47
Speaker 3: And so you know, they.
32:49
Speaker 2: Always say it's like you don't like learn things from
32:52
Speaker 2: like smooth sailing, right. You don't learn a ton when
32:55
Speaker 2: you're like on the top winning. You learn a ton
32:58
Speaker 2: when you're like trudging through the thick of it, going
33:01
Speaker 2: through the mud.
33:02
Speaker 1: Absolutely, And it's funny because my mom will always say
33:07
Speaker 1: to me too, She's like, I feel like these are
33:08
Speaker 1: like your little challenges in life where you're given a
33:12
Speaker 1: moment where you determine the outcome and it's up to you.
33:16
Speaker 1: And I think that that has been I've found myself
33:19
Speaker 1: in these moments where I'm like, why is this happening
33:21
Speaker 1: to me? This isn't happening to anyone else. But I
33:25
Speaker 1: think that that's where I really define who I am
33:27
Speaker 1: as a human and what I want my legacy to
33:30
Speaker 1: be or what I want other people to be able
33:33
Speaker 1: to relate to or be inspired by. But yeah, it
33:37
Speaker 1: sucks being in that place, and I've been there many times,
33:40
Speaker 1: but the upside is so worth it.
33:44
Speaker 2: Do you remember, Because I kind of think that we
33:46
Speaker 2: all have these moments that feel a little bit like
33:49
Speaker 2: a movie. But was there like a moment or perhaps
33:53
Speaker 2: like an event after like you were on this upswing
33:57
Speaker 2: when you like started to really feel like you had
33:59
Speaker 2: your feet under you and you were like, I am
34:03
Speaker 2: so damn proud of myself here.
34:05
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think starting my blog was one of those moments.
34:09
Speaker 1: I was proud of myself for the first time in
34:12
Speaker 1: a minute. And again even now, I feel like I'm
34:19
Speaker 1: so happy and confident in my body, but I still
34:23
Speaker 1: have body dysmorphia. You know. There are still moments where
34:26
Speaker 1: I look at myself and I'm like, oh, oh, which
34:29
Speaker 1: is crazy, you know. So I don't think you're ever
34:31
Speaker 1: going to get rid of those, but I think like
34:34
Speaker 1: checking yourself and having those moments of proud pride of
34:39
Speaker 1: like how far I've come. And I think my blog,
34:42
Speaker 1: when I decided to do that, I held myself accountable
34:45
Speaker 1: and I was just open and honest. It was it
34:50
Speaker 1: was a real moment of like, ah, this is this
34:52
Speaker 1: is this is why this happened, this is worth it.
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Speaker 2: was walking. I'd like just gotten off the subway. I
37:28
Speaker 2: live in Brooklyn, I was in Williamsburg. I was meeting
37:31
Speaker 2: friends at like Brooklyn Bowl. I was like probably like
37:34
Speaker 2: five weeks post breakup with this guy that like I
37:37
Speaker 2: thought was gonna be my husband, and I just got
37:39
Speaker 2: out of the subway and the song Bulletproof came on.
37:44
Speaker 3: I don't know, I can remember this song. It was
37:45
Speaker 3: like for this.
37:46
Speaker 2: Son yep that came on and I had like heels
37:49
Speaker 2: on and I was like walking by this park and
37:52
Speaker 2: I was like, I'm gonna be okay.
37:54
Speaker 1: I love that for you. You know what, music is so powerful.
37:58
Speaker 1: First of all, it's funny because when I'm going through
38:02
Speaker 1: certain phases of my life, I have like playlists that
38:05
Speaker 1: I'll just put on repeat, and so it's funny because
38:07
Speaker 1: then I'll revisit them and I'm like, oh, this is
38:10
Speaker 1: what I was going through. So yes, Bulletproof, but yeah no,
38:14
Speaker 1: I don't think all of my moments have been as
38:17
Speaker 1: shiny as that. But I also I remember too, you know,
38:22
Speaker 1: when I decided to make this, I also was going
38:24
Speaker 1: through a breakup, and I remember that once I decided
38:27
Speaker 1: to prioritize myself and to make myself happy, I started
38:34
Speaker 1: attracting all sorts of people, whether it was friends, relationships,
38:39
Speaker 1: ex lovers, whatever. It was crazy. It was like I
38:44
Speaker 1: was just beaming from like my heart center out and
38:47
Speaker 1: then people were just attracted to me, And so I
38:50
Speaker 1: think that that's also something to remember. I think we
38:53
Speaker 1: we feel like we always need to rely on other
38:56
Speaker 1: people or relationships to make us happy. But I'm I
39:01
Speaker 1: promise you it starts with you. And once you do
39:04
Speaker 1: the work and you find your own happiness on our
39:07
Speaker 1: content and rely on yourself, you'll be surprised what then
39:11
Speaker 1: happens to you, you know, And it's.
39:13
Speaker 2: So beautiful to like see that moment happen and like
39:16
Speaker 2: watch other people shine, right, Like I have another girlfriend
39:19
Speaker 2: who got out of like a devastating breakup. I was
39:22
Speaker 2: with her, like, you know, on the kitchen floor, crying,
39:25
Speaker 2: bringing her milk bar, Like it was so sad to
39:28
Speaker 2: see her so low. And now it's comical. I have
39:32
Speaker 2: been single, living in New York for four years. I'm
39:35
Speaker 2: very content with my life. I'm so good. But every
39:38
Speaker 2: other day she somehow now meets someone on the street
39:43
Speaker 2: that asks her out.
39:44
Speaker 3: It is literally miraculous.
39:46
Speaker 2: And yeah, I told her, I was, like, it is
39:47
Speaker 2: because you are now like ganging to a place where
39:50
Speaker 2: you are so good as you are, but you're.
39:53
Speaker 1: Beaming yeah, and you know, like I'm grateful for these
39:58
Speaker 1: breakup moments or these down moments, because I was there
40:03
Speaker 1: for myself, you know, like you are. You have to
40:07
Speaker 1: take care of this being that you're in because this
40:09
Speaker 1: is going to be with you for the rest of
40:10
Speaker 1: your life, you know. And so I think that I
40:13
Speaker 1: had neglected that for so long, mentally, emotionally, physically, whatever,
40:18
Speaker 1: and all the faces that I've been in, and the
40:20
Speaker 1: second that I made myself a priority, everything else fell
40:24
Speaker 1: into place.
40:25
Speaker 2: It felt like, you know, definitely, I do want to
40:29
Speaker 2: touch on what you said about still having by dysmorphia,
40:33
Speaker 2: because I actually think that that's like a really valuable
40:36
Speaker 2: and important topic for us, just to give some air
40:39
Speaker 2: to that from the outside looking in. And I'm sure
40:43
Speaker 2: you hear this all the time, and it's not lost
40:46
Speaker 2: on me that I'm sure you have so many messages
40:48
Speaker 2: from women who feel like you. From one person who
40:51
Speaker 2: may see you looking at your Instagram this like slender woman, like,
40:55
Speaker 2: how could you ever feel any sort of way about
40:57
Speaker 2: your body? That doesn't discredit the way that you may
41:01
Speaker 2: feel and the journey that you're on. So talk to
41:03
Speaker 2: me a little bit about how that relationship has ebbed
41:07
Speaker 2: and flowed over time.
41:09
Speaker 1: Absolutely. And it's funny because even in the past few years,
41:13
Speaker 1: you know, I went for so long from being like
41:16
Speaker 1: you're too fat, you're hideous, you're ugly, you shouldn't be
41:19
Speaker 1: on TV because you're too big, all this stuff, to
41:22
Speaker 1: now it's I'm being skinny shamed. You're too skinny. You
41:27
Speaker 1: should go eat a hamburger. You look like bones, Like
41:30
Speaker 1: I can see your rib. It's just no one's ever
41:34
Speaker 1: going to be happy for you if they're happy unhappy
41:37
Speaker 1: with themselves. So whatever. But you know, I I love
41:44
Speaker 1: where my body's at, and I'm proud of the work
41:46
Speaker 1: that I put into it. I do. It's a real
41:49
Speaker 1: big priority for me, and I'm constantly changing the way
41:54
Speaker 1: that I work out and I just love it. Like
41:56
Speaker 1: fitness is a huge part of my happiness. I know it,
42:00
Speaker 1: but it is not. It would be impossible for me
42:05
Speaker 1: to have a whole year without looking at myself in
42:09
Speaker 1: the mirror and being like this is this is not
42:12
Speaker 1: good enough? Like oh, like I'm always gonna have to
42:16
Speaker 1: deal with that, which is fine, but I think recognizing it,
42:21
Speaker 1: knowing how to disengage those triggers, how to move through it,
42:26
Speaker 1: how to then be like, you know, what this is
42:28
Speaker 1: a moment I'm going to look at myself and I'm
42:29
Speaker 1: going to tell myself. I love myself and I'm proud
42:31
Speaker 1: of you. You know. I think it's just having to
42:34
Speaker 1: be honest and check yourself. But yeah, I do agree that,
42:38
Speaker 1: like I do promote a ton of fitness also on
42:41
Speaker 1: my social media, and I do give off the image
42:44
Speaker 1: of like, oh, she's in such great shape, that's amazing,
42:49
Speaker 1: and I think people that will message me about it whatever,
42:51
Speaker 1: ask me what workouts I do, what my nutrition is,
42:55
Speaker 1: you know. But yeah, I want to be completely transparent.
42:59
Speaker 1: And I have days where I feel fat or blowed it,
43:02
Speaker 1: or too skinny, or like I'm not good enough, or
43:06
Speaker 1: I don't have like a sexy curvy woman figure that
43:10
Speaker 1: I know is a big fad right now, you know,
43:12
Speaker 1: that's just not me. So I am constantly confronted by
43:16
Speaker 1: these insecurities. But I think that again, I'm just proud
43:21
Speaker 1: of how far I've come and I do love my body.
43:24
Speaker 1: So it's just remembering that and telling yourself that.
43:27
Speaker 2: You're like essentially articulating, like what is body acceptance?
43:31
Speaker 3: Right?
43:31
Speaker 2: It's like, it doesn't mean that you're not going to
43:33
Speaker 2: have days where you look in the mirror and you
43:35
Speaker 2: don't think, like, man, I look so great right now, Like.
43:39
Speaker 1: That's not every day now, But it's.
43:41
Speaker 2: Knowing that, like, you're gonna have these bad moments, and
43:44
Speaker 2: the best thing that you can do is try to
43:46
Speaker 2: create this inner dialogue of positivity like that is completely
43:51
Speaker 2: up to you.
43:52
Speaker 3: Which leads me to the next question that I want
43:54
Speaker 3: to ask you.
43:55
Speaker 2: In these moments where you are kind of like being
43:59
Speaker 2: your own biggest critic, how do you get to that
44:02
Speaker 2: place where you're capable of flipping the script.
44:05
Speaker 1: So I just read this book recently and it was
44:08
Speaker 1: talking about intrusive thoughts and how I think we think
44:12
Speaker 1: that we need to just completely exclude intrusive negative thoughts.
44:16
Speaker 1: That's not going to happen. You're gonna completely You're going
44:18
Speaker 1: to always have these negative thoughts enter your brain, but
44:22
Speaker 1: it's your reaction to it of than changing the way
44:25
Speaker 1: that you think of that intrusive thought. So, for example,
44:28
Speaker 1: my boobies I have, like little boy boobs. They're just
44:32
Speaker 1: so tiny and small, and I wish that they were
44:35
Speaker 1: like a little bit perkyer, I were a little bit
44:37
Speaker 1: more belumptuous. And so that's the thing for me, Like
44:40
Speaker 1: when I look in the mirror, I'm like, I wish
44:42
Speaker 1: I had freaking cleavage, like just to give me a
44:45
Speaker 1: sliver of cleavage. But then instead of dwelling on that
44:49
Speaker 1: and picking that apart, I'll be like, but my butt
44:52
Speaker 1: is getting bigger, and I've worked really hard on my squats,
44:56
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, And so like I just
44:58
Speaker 1: have to acknowledge that negative, but then find too positive
45:06
Speaker 1: to cancel it out. Essentially, so yeah, whenever there's a negative,
45:10
Speaker 1: I try to cancel it out it's too positive. But yeah,
45:13
Speaker 1: that's just something that I've been working on.
45:16
Speaker 2: And I always love when you're doing this exercise and
45:19
Speaker 2: it's like, tell me two to three things that you
45:21
Speaker 2: love about yourself, and like only one of them can
45:24
Speaker 2: be a physical attribute. And sometimes when I do this
45:28
Speaker 2: in some of the sessions that I lead for the community,
45:30
Speaker 2: a lot of women actually have a hard time articulating
45:33
Speaker 2: the physical attribute, and I almost challenge them to like
45:36
Speaker 2: pick kind of an odd one, like what is the
45:39
Speaker 2: oddest thing about yourself, maybe the most like off the
45:42
Speaker 2: beaten path thing that you would say that like you love, Like, okay,
45:45
Speaker 2: I'll go first. So for me, I don't know when
45:50
Speaker 2: this like became something that I became highly aware of.
45:52
Speaker 2: And they're covered up as you and I are talking
45:54
Speaker 2: right here, But I love my collarbones.
45:57
Speaker 3: I think they are outstanding.
45:59
Speaker 2: Yo.
45:59
Speaker 1: All bone is so sexy, like when you know what
46:02
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just like really elegant and beautiful. And
46:05
Speaker 1: I think a body part that doesn't get recognized.
46:07
Speaker 3: In this all right, but what's yours?
46:09
Speaker 2: Ooh?
46:11
Speaker 1: I for sure I would say my back. It's just silly,
46:16
Speaker 1: but like I love a low back moment always, but
46:19
Speaker 1: I have a natural art and I just yeah, I
46:23
Speaker 1: love it. I feel like it's a really feminine part
46:25
Speaker 1: of my body and something that I like to show.
46:28
Speaker 2: Off, something that you like to show off. See you, Okay,
46:31
Speaker 2: we've got a collarbone, we've got a back. And everyone
46:34
Speaker 2: has like a little outside of the box part of
46:37
Speaker 2: their body that they can highlight. And I challenge everyone
46:39
Speaker 2: listening to this right now to ask themselves what is mine?
46:43
Speaker 3: Yeah?
46:44
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I think you know, we're always like, oh
46:46
Speaker 1: my arms are too flabby, my legs, But like find
46:50
Speaker 1: those unique parts of you that you love and you
46:53
Speaker 1: want to show off or that you're proud of. Yeah,
46:55
Speaker 1: it's such a great that's such a great exercise. I
46:57
Speaker 1: love that I got you.
46:59
Speaker 3: I'm here for you. So fast forward a little bit.
47:02
Speaker 2: You've been on Dancing with the Stars for some time now,
47:05
Speaker 2: you're just coming off What season is this for you?
47:08
Speaker 1: This is my eleventh season on the show.
47:12
Speaker 3: Season number eleven.
47:14
Speaker 2: Did you ever think when you started at nineteen that
47:17
Speaker 2: you would still be here eleven seasons later?
47:19
Speaker 1: No, Like, there are so many moments about the show
47:22
Speaker 1: that I'm like, what is my life right now? But
47:26
Speaker 1: it's been amazing. It's been a learning experience, and I
47:31
Speaker 1: feel like, especially recently in the recent years, I'm so
47:37
Speaker 1: grateful to have been able to create on the scale
47:42
Speaker 1: and to do what I love to do. But also
47:46
Speaker 1: I think reinvent myself as a choreographer, as a dancer,
47:50
Speaker 1: as a performer, as a student. It's just it's been amazing.
47:54
Speaker 1: But yeah, we just ended season thirty. Like the fact
47:58
Speaker 1: that this show has been on for thirty seasons. Who
48:02
Speaker 1: knew people would love ballroom dancing and the concept of
48:06
Speaker 1: pairing them with the celebrity like wild, but wild, I.
48:11
Speaker 3: Won't front with you.
48:12
Speaker 2: I have one hundred percent watch Dancing at the Stars,
48:14
Speaker 2: probably more than any season actually, this past season, I
48:18
Speaker 2: found myself continually turning it on.
48:21
Speaker 3: But do you have if you had to pick a favorite, all.
48:26
Speaker 1: Of my ex partners are going to be so upset
48:28
Speaker 1: with me. You know, I'll be honest. You know, every
48:32
Speaker 1: season has like specific moments or things about my partner
48:37
Speaker 1: that I just adore and love, and they've all been
48:41
Speaker 1: so unique and different. I would say obviously a standout
48:45
Speaker 1: season was when I won season twenty six with Adam Rippon.
48:51
Speaker 1: I think that that was such a moment for me
48:53
Speaker 1: just it really gave me the confidence of like, you
48:56
Speaker 1: know what you're doing and you deserve this. You know,
48:59
Speaker 1: this wasn't a fluke. And I think that was huge
49:02
Speaker 1: for me because I'd been on what they called the
49:03
Speaker 1: troop for many seasons and I always felt like I
49:08
Speaker 1: was behind the scenes, I wasn't good enough to be
49:11
Speaker 1: a pro. But I feel like in that season I
49:15
Speaker 1: really came to my own and I showed what I
49:18
Speaker 1: had to offer. And so I think that that and
49:20
Speaker 1: then I obviously, you know, took Homa Mirror Ball with Adam,
49:23
Speaker 1: so that was amazing. And then I think this past
49:26
Speaker 1: season with Jojo is a huge standout. I'm somebody that
49:31
Speaker 1: loves to be comfortable and to not do things out
49:36
Speaker 1: of the norm. But this was a moment. I just
49:41
Speaker 1: remember when I was approached about being dancing with female,
49:46
Speaker 1: I just was thinking about it and I was like,
49:50
Speaker 1: you know, I'm going to do many more seasons with
49:55
Speaker 1: a guy. I've done five seasons with a guy. Why
50:00
Speaker 1: not take this opportunity to do something different, to make
50:04
Speaker 1: a change, be the change, be the first ever, and
50:08
Speaker 1: do something scary. You know. I think it was a
50:10
Speaker 1: really big moment for me internally that I needed this.
50:13
Speaker 1: I needed this, I needed to do something outside the box,
50:18
Speaker 1: and I am so grateful I did.
50:21
Speaker 2: For those that aren't up to speed, you want to
50:23
Speaker 2: give us a little bit more context, yeah yeah, played out?
50:27
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah yeah.
50:27
Speaker 1: So this season season thirty on Dancing with the Stars,
50:31
Speaker 1: they decided to have the first ever same sex pairing,
50:34
Speaker 1: and I it's funny because I remember the executives called
50:39
Speaker 1: me and they said, you know, we're gonna we're we
50:42
Speaker 1: wanted to ask you one question. That's it. Like we're
50:45
Speaker 1: going to make this brief. And I was like, okay, cool,
50:48
Speaker 1: and they're like, we're going to do something really exciting.
50:50
Speaker 1: We're going to have the first ever same six pairing,
50:52
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh sick. And for some reason,
50:54
Speaker 1: I just immediately thought it was going to be two guys.
50:57
Speaker 1: So I thought they were going to ask my opinion
50:59
Speaker 1: on Korea or what I thought of the concept, you
51:01
Speaker 1: know whatever. And then they were like, it's gonna be
51:06
Speaker 1: two females. And I was like, oh, I see where
51:08
Speaker 1: this is going. And they straight up bluntly asked me like,
51:13
Speaker 1: would you be willing to dance with the girl this season?
51:15
Speaker 1: Without hesitation, I said yes, right, I just I said yes,
51:20
Speaker 1: and then fear started to set in. We hung up
51:23
Speaker 1: the phone and they just kept saying, you know, they
51:25
Speaker 1: were like, we just think you'd be the perfect person.
51:28
Speaker 1: You would be the perfect person for this moment. And
51:31
Speaker 1: I hung up the phone, and I was just like,
51:33
Speaker 1: what did I say this too? Can I do this?
51:36
Speaker 1: Am I good enough? Do I know what I'm doing?
51:39
Speaker 1: I've never done this before. And I called my parents
51:41
Speaker 1: and again, you know, stressed about what is their reaction
51:45
Speaker 1: going to be? What is their reaction going to be?
51:48
Speaker 1: You know, and then oh, my goodness, I'm gonna like
51:50
Speaker 1: if I do this, I'm gonna have to give this
51:53
Speaker 1: sentiment to everybody and be like, I'm dancing with a girl. Anyway.
51:57
Speaker 1: I called my parents and my dad was like a
52:00
Speaker 1: little bit shocked, and then he was like, you know,
52:02
Speaker 1: what an honor that they would think of you. And
52:05
Speaker 1: I was just like, WHOA, You're right, What an honor
52:10
Speaker 1: that they would trust me with this? Like this is
52:14
Speaker 1: major breaking of barriers, you know, a huge step forward.
52:19
Speaker 1: And that was then the intention I had for the
52:22
Speaker 1: whole season of this is an honor. And then I
52:25
Speaker 1: met Jojo. I danced with those of you that didn't
52:28
Speaker 1: want to stancy to start the season. I danced with Jojesiwa.
52:31
Speaker 1: She's eighteen. She recently came out as gay this past year,
52:35
Speaker 1: huge influencer, millions of followers, and she's a child star
52:39
Speaker 1: and a lot of her fan base are kids, and
52:42
Speaker 1: a huge wave of courage came from her. You know,
52:48
Speaker 1: I'm looking at this eighteen year old who's come out
52:51
Speaker 1: publicly and then had the courage to be the first
52:55
Speaker 1: ever same sex pairing, and I was just like, if
52:58
Speaker 1: she can do this, I can do this. You know,
53:01
Speaker 1: I'm not going to have to deal with half the
53:03
Speaker 1: stuff that she has to deal with throughout her life.
53:06
Speaker 1: What she's already had to deal with this is one
53:08
Speaker 1: little small moment, and I can do this, and I
53:11
Speaker 1: wanted to do it for her. She is a light.
53:15
Speaker 1: She is full of joy, full of strength, and I'm
53:18
Speaker 1: so proud of what we accomplished the season and what
53:21
Speaker 1: we were able to do every day was just an
53:25
Speaker 1: absolute dream come true working with her.
53:28
Speaker 3: Yeah.
53:28
Speaker 2: I interviewed Matt James during this season as well, and
53:32
Speaker 2: we talked about, you know, the six hour dance practices
53:35
Speaker 2: and all the effort that goes in so spending so
53:38
Speaker 2: much time with Jojo week after week, preparing not just
53:42
Speaker 2: for Mondays, but for so much more. What would you
53:46
Speaker 2: say One of the biggest takeaways was spending all of
53:49
Speaker 2: that time with.
53:50
Speaker 1: Her before this season, when I knew that she was
53:54
Speaker 1: on the show and I'd potentially be dancing with her.
53:57
Speaker 1: I just remember everyone was giving me their opinions on her. Oh,
54:00
Speaker 1: she's loud, she's she has so much energy, she's this,
54:04
Speaker 1: she's that, and I was just like, I had never
54:07
Speaker 1: met her before, and I was like, just let me
54:08
Speaker 1: figure it out for myself. I don't want to make
54:10
Speaker 1: any assumptions before I meet her. She is one of
54:13
Speaker 1: the smartest humans I've ever met. She is a straight
54:17
Speaker 1: up boss. She's also one of the hardest working people
54:20
Speaker 1: I've ever met, ever met. She's kind, she's humble, and
54:28
Speaker 1: you know, she didn't need to necessarily do the show,
54:31
Speaker 1: and she did, and she approached it like it was
54:36
Speaker 1: the last day she was ever going to dance in
54:37
Speaker 1: her life. And I just I can't even imagine, Like
54:43
Speaker 1: it makes me a little bit emotional, you know, like
54:45
Speaker 1: I can't imagine my life without her in it, and
54:48
Speaker 1: without these past three months that we got experience together.
54:52
Speaker 1: I'm really glad that we did have that good friendship.
54:55
Speaker 1: We had a real understanding of one another, and we
54:57
Speaker 1: had the same goal in mind.
54:59
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think the takeaway of just being able
55:02
Speaker 2: to formulate your own opinion about someone is very important
55:06
Speaker 2: and something that maybe we don't like air out often enough, right,
55:11
Speaker 2: Like the value of not judging someone based just on
55:15
Speaker 2: what you see, whether it be on social media or
55:18
Speaker 2: what you hear from somebody else, but being able to
55:21
Speaker 2: make your own opinion and get to know them for
55:23
Speaker 2: who they are first.
55:24
Speaker 1: It's funny because I wish people would have that same
55:29
Speaker 1: approach with me. Then I think that I'm really intense.
55:33
Speaker 1: I have really strong features, and I think a lot
55:35
Speaker 1: of people think that I'm really unapproachable. That I mean
55:41
Speaker 1: in a sense, I mean, I hope I don't give
55:43
Speaker 1: off that vibe. But you know, taking a step back,
55:45
Speaker 1: I am really intense, but because I care about everything
55:48
Speaker 1: that I do and I put my whole heart into everything.
55:50
Speaker 1: But yeah, I hope that I wish that people would
55:53
Speaker 1: give me that same benefit of the doubt and not
55:56
Speaker 1: immediately from what they see or what they hear or
55:58
Speaker 1: what they think, or that I have a perfect life
56:00
Speaker 1: from my social media, you know what I mean. So yeah,
56:04
Speaker 1: but yeah, that was a really big thing for me
56:06
Speaker 1: that I learned, and that also came from Val. He
56:09
Speaker 1: was like, you need to meet her first before you
56:11
Speaker 1: make any assumptions or make any conclusions about how your
56:15
Speaker 1: season's going to go.
56:17
Speaker 2: Totally totally brought him up. We're going to talk about
56:19
Speaker 2: Val just for a second here. You got married in
56:22
Speaker 2: early twenty nineteen. How has it been for you to
56:25
Speaker 2: be married as like you like literally just like came
56:29
Speaker 2: up together from like your entire relationship for everyone just
56:33
Speaker 2: to kind of witness from start until now.
56:36
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's been wild. There are many times where I
56:40
Speaker 1: wish that we that nobody knew us and that we
56:44
Speaker 1: just lived a regular life and could experience our relationship
56:49
Speaker 1: in private, you know. But it's also been really amazing
56:53
Speaker 1: to have the support and to have people get a
56:56
Speaker 1: witness our I guess our love, our relationship flourish before
56:59
Speaker 1: they're Yeah, he is by far the best thing that's
57:03
Speaker 1: ever happened to me. And I'm so It's funny because
57:08
Speaker 1: they say this like love will hit you when you
57:11
Speaker 1: least expect it. And I was the only new person
57:14
Speaker 1: the season that I joined Dancing with the Stars on
57:16
Speaker 1: season eighteen. He was one of the first people that
57:19
Speaker 1: approached me and introduced me and made me feel welcomed
57:23
Speaker 1: into the cast, and I think that goes a long way.
57:27
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's been There are pros and cons to
57:31
Speaker 1: working with your spouse, working with your loved ones, and
57:35
Speaker 1: I'm really proud of the effort and the focus that
57:40
Speaker 1: we've put into it, because you know, we don't have
57:42
Speaker 1: a ton of people that we can turn to and follow, like,
57:45
Speaker 1: how does it work for you? You know? Does this work?
57:48
Speaker 1: I tell my dad all the time, I'm like, can
57:49
Speaker 1: you imagine if Mom had to come to one of
57:51
Speaker 1: your operations and sat there and just like gave her
57:53
Speaker 1: opinion and talked to you the whole time, like you'd
57:55
Speaker 1: probably be like no, no, no, So you know, it's
58:00
Speaker 1: it is a really interesting dynamic that we have. But
58:04
Speaker 1: to be able to share it together on such a
58:06
Speaker 1: large scale is this is a dream come true.
58:10
Speaker 2: I have to tell you that you got married at
58:12
Speaker 2: like one of my favorite resorts ever, Taranea.
58:16
Speaker 3: It's so stunning.
58:18
Speaker 2: I've been there, like I think two or three times,
58:20
Speaker 2: and every time I go, I'm just like, how does
58:22
Speaker 2: this place even exist?
58:24
Speaker 1: It's so funny because you're like, this does not exist
58:26
Speaker 1: in California. You feel like you're transported into a different
58:29
Speaker 1: universe totally. But yeah, when we were looking, when we
58:31
Speaker 1: were talking about venues and looking at venues, we knew
58:33
Speaker 1: we wanted to be near water. Water is huge for
58:36
Speaker 1: Val he grew up near the water. But I didn't
58:41
Speaker 1: want it to be like a beach wedding where like
58:43
Speaker 1: we're barefoot Contessa and the sands frolicking, Like that's just
58:46
Speaker 1: not my vibe, Like I want a stiletto, you know.
58:49
Speaker 1: But we wanted a gorgeous backdrop. So we saw a
58:53
Speaker 1: picture of Karenea and this couple was like on this
58:57
Speaker 1: rock in the middle of the water taking a photo
59:00
Speaker 1: and I was like, this is it? Say no more.
59:04
Speaker 1: We drove down and we saw it and it was
59:07
Speaker 1: straight magic, so romantic perfect. That's the best.
59:11
Speaker 3: Yeah, ah, the best. All right, Well we're winding down here.
59:15
Speaker 2: We did talk a lot today about first impressions and
59:19
Speaker 2: social media.
59:20
Speaker 3: If someone goes to your social media.
59:22
Speaker 2: Page right now, they'll see a woman nearing eight hundred
59:25
Speaker 2: thousand followers, a Dancing with the Stars pro you know,
59:29
Speaker 2: so you think you can dance all star and mentor
59:32
Speaker 2: when you look in the mirror, what is it that
59:35
Speaker 2: you see looking back at you?
59:38
Speaker 1: I see first a daughter. I think that is one
59:42
Speaker 1: of my proudest titles, as being a daughter, a sister,
59:46
Speaker 1: a wife. Now you know, those are always my main
59:49
Speaker 1: priorities before anything else externally. But I also see a dancer,
59:54
Speaker 1: and I'm proud of that. And I lost a little
59:58
Speaker 1: bit of that love or that identity of am I
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Speaker 1: a dancer? Am I good enough to be a dancer?
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Speaker 1: Is just what I want to do? I lost that
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Speaker 1: for a little bit, and the second that I made
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Speaker 1: the realization that this is who I am, It's made
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Speaker 1: me happier than ever, and that's that's a title that
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Speaker 1: I hold dearly. I will always have it a goal
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Speaker 1: to connect and be relatable to people, to be a voice,
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Speaker 1: but also to be an ear to listen. I love
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Speaker 1: the relationship that I have with my followers, my audience.
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Speaker 1: It's really personal to me, to me and I don't
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Speaker 1: take it for granted. But yeah, I think that I
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Speaker 1: know that I'm Jenna when I look in the mirror
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Speaker 1: and I'm proud of her. I love her. Yeah, It's
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Speaker 1: taken me a while to get there, and so I
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Speaker 1: think in moments like this, like I'm I feel confident
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Speaker 1: saying that.
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Speaker 3: What else excites you right now?
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Speaker 1: I'm excited because this is the first time in quite
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Speaker 1: in probably five years, that I'm not going on the
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Speaker 1: Dancing with the Star's tour, and it was a really
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Speaker 1: hard decision to not go because it is such a
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Speaker 1: big part of our life, my life and has been.
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Speaker 1: But we have a few projects coming up that I'm
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Speaker 1: really really excited about that I've been wanting to do
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Speaker 1: for a long time, and venture into other aspects of
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Speaker 1: performing that I haven't had the time to do yet.
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Speaker 1: So I'm really excited about that. I'm also really excited
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Speaker 1: to be home for the holidays and the first time
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Speaker 1: in almost probably nine years, and just experience that being
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Speaker 1: a real human is important and I can't wait.
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Speaker 2: Okay, right now, you have the chance to offer the
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Speaker 2: Jenna who is at that rock bottom hurdle moment a
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Speaker 2: piece of advice looking back on that really difficult time.
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Speaker 3: Right now, what do you tell her?
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Speaker 1: You know it's so cliche, but I would tell her
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Speaker 1: to never give up. And you know, I think I
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Speaker 1: many times was so close to giving up or to
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Speaker 1: just like throwing in the towel, and I'm so happy
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Speaker 1: I didn't. And I would tell her, yeah, there's going
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Speaker 1: to be many more times where you're going to want
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Speaker 1: to give up, and just don't. Don't keep pushing. The
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Speaker 1: quote comparison is the thief of all joy. I would
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Speaker 1: constantly tell her that, yeah, and just value yourself, be
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Speaker 1: proud of who you are.
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Speaker 3: Keep going, Jenna, thank you so much for your time today.
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Speaker 3: This was like such a fun conversation. I'm so happy
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Speaker 3: that we were able to have it.
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Speaker 1: Thank you, Yes, me too, Thank you for having me.
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Speaker 3: How did the hurdlers follow along with you? How do
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Speaker 3: they keep up with you? Give me all your details.
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Speaker 1: Keep up all things Jenna. You can go into my
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Speaker 1: Instagram which is at Jenna Johnson Super simple and follow along.
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Speaker 2: And follow along I'm over at Hurdle Podcast and at
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Speaker 2: Emily Body Another hurdle conquered.
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Speaker 3: Catch you guys next time
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