Latest / Frightmares / Ep. 359 - Deadstream (2022)
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- 0:00Speaker 1: The following podcast will contain spoilers, tangents, hot takes, and
- 0:05Speaker 1: excessive foul language.
- 0:07Speaker 2: Viewer discretion is advised enjoy the show. Welcome back to
- 0:50Speaker 2: Frightmar's podcast. I'm your host Austin Procter and joining me
- 0:54Speaker 2: today four, episode three point fifty nine is my good
- 0:57Speaker 2: friend Corey Johnson.
- 0:59Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, with the power of my will, my ambition,
- 1:04Speaker 1: my hot takes, and my comedy, I bind this audience
- 1:08Speaker 1: to me. Oo.
- 1:10Speaker 2: Now you're all fucked. Today, on another installment of Hantuary Manner,
- 1:18Speaker 2: we're discussing dead Stream from twenty twenty two, a movie
- 1:22Speaker 2: that shows us just how deadly a potato gun can be.
- 1:26Speaker 2: Let's see where this lands on the nightmare index. I am.
- 1:30Speaker 2: We've got two movies so far. We've got if not
- 1:35Speaker 2: the Nesting, the Nesting is in second place, then we
- 1:38Speaker 2: have the Haunting in first place. So I think this
- 1:40Speaker 2: is gonna take the cake. I don't know, we'll see.
- 1:42Speaker 2: I'm excited to hear your thoughts and we'll get into
- 1:45Speaker 2: your story about it later. Because he thought he hadn't
- 1:49Speaker 2: seen it, but apparently he has, so it's a fun time.
- 1:52Speaker 2: Very excited to talk about dead Stream. Shocker. The first
- 1:55Speaker 2: episode we're doing of the year with me and you
- 1:57Speaker 2: as a found footage movie.
- 1:58Speaker 1: Whaty Yeah, it's almost it's almost like over these years
- 2:03Speaker 1: we've we've established that we kind of like the Fountain
- 2:06Speaker 1: footage style, just.
- 2:07Speaker 2: A scoch and I do think this is a lot
- 2:10Speaker 2: of fun. It very much to me vibes like followed,
- 2:14Speaker 2: which we talked to the director on that movie Antoine Lei,
- 2:18Speaker 2: which that episode is still up and running. It's like
- 2:20Speaker 2: a three hour episode. We talked to that mad for
- 2:22Speaker 2: so fucking long. It was great. He was awesome. But
- 2:25Speaker 2: it's very very similar to Followed in an aspect, and
- 2:29Speaker 2: then of course very much mirroring Evil Dead as well.
- 2:33Speaker 2: But before we do all that, we got to do this,
- 2:36Speaker 2: let's do the cold open. This is where we're going
- 2:44Speaker 2: to talk about what we recently watched. I've got a
- 2:47Speaker 2: whole bunch of fun stuff, but I figured i'd kick
- 2:51Speaker 2: it to you to see what you had been watching lately.
- 2:55Speaker 2: Anything good over there.
- 2:57Speaker 1: So the only new movie that I've seen recently, A
- 3:02Speaker 1: few days ago, Jessica and I went and saw Primate
- 3:05Speaker 1: and that shit was fucking sick, Like I that was
- 3:10Speaker 1: I was I was. I very much enjoyed that movie. Uh.
- 3:13Speaker 1: It did have some pitfalls, but overall it was it
- 3:17Speaker 1: was pretty fucking good. I enjoyed my time, and especially
- 3:19Speaker 1: because I used a gift card for the movie theater
- 3:23Speaker 1: that I found on the floor at work. It was
- 3:25Speaker 1: a free movie.
- 3:26Speaker 2: So yeah, that that automatically makes the viewing experience even
- 3:31Speaker 2: better when it's free. So I'm just so hyped because you,
- 3:37Speaker 2: Spencer and Derek have all Like Spencer, I know he
- 3:40Speaker 2: always sees movies before me, but but Derek and you,
- 3:44Speaker 2: I was like, wow, Okay, I'm I'm I'm the one
- 3:46Speaker 2: behind because Derek doesn't have a theater that's close to him,
- 3:49Speaker 2: so it's hard for him to see movies. And you know,
- 3:52Speaker 2: you kind of when you go to the movies is
- 3:54Speaker 2: just very random. So it's like, man, I'm fucking so
- 3:56Speaker 2: I'm seeing it tonight. So my thoughts and feelings on
- 3:59Speaker 2: that one will be on the episode with Derek. I'm
- 4:01Speaker 2: gonna I'm gonna save it for that one because he
- 4:03Speaker 2: wanted to talk about it. But uh, you just just
- 4:05Speaker 2: give me some high give me some highlights about things
- 4:08Speaker 2: that worked for you.
- 4:09Speaker 1: Uh. One of my absolute favorite kills happens within like
- 4:16Speaker 1: sub five minutes of the movie.
- 4:18Speaker 2: Is that good or bad? Though?
- 4:23Speaker 1: I'm not sure, So I'm gonna go into this just
- 4:27Speaker 1: a little bit because I know you and Derek are
- 4:29Speaker 1: gonna talk about it. But as we were driving back
- 4:32Speaker 1: from the theater, Jessica was like, man, you know what
- 4:35Speaker 1: that movie really felt like? And I was like what?
- 4:38Speaker 1: And she was like that that that movie where they're
- 4:41Speaker 1: they're in a cage and there are sharks and I'm
- 4:43Speaker 1: like forty seven meters down and she's like yeah, And
- 4:46Speaker 1: I was like, huh, I wonder what else the director
- 4:49Speaker 1: has done forty seven fucking meters down maybe, And she
- 4:54Speaker 1: was like, oh, that makes so much sense because the
- 4:59Speaker 1: the way that the area that they are in, the
- 5:03Speaker 1: house that they are in is laid out, is the
- 5:05Speaker 1: single most like Hollywood designed house ever. I love the house.
- 5:12Speaker 1: It was amazing. Jessica was like, we could have just
- 5:14Speaker 1: watched an hour and thirty minutes of them going around
- 5:17Speaker 1: the house and looking out over the pool at the ocean.
- 5:21Speaker 2: Like ten out of ten, I love it.
- 5:23Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, it was really great, but yeah it was.
- 5:26Speaker 2: It was.
- 5:27Speaker 1: It was a super fun movie. Like I said, some
- 5:30Speaker 1: pitfalls the acting not great, But I I liked the characters.
- 5:35Speaker 1: I just didn't like their acting, if that makes any sense.
- 5:40Speaker 2: No, No, that makes total sense. And with a movie
- 5:43Speaker 2: like Primate, where you know it's going to be this
- 5:45Speaker 2: killer monkey, I definitely feel like, while I would appreciate
- 5:49Speaker 2: good acting, I'm not there for the acting. I'm there
- 5:51Speaker 2: to see this chimp rip people apart.
- 5:53Speaker 1: Yeah, and that chimp is a fucking war criminal.
- 5:57Speaker 2: What did you say to me he was a fucking
- 5:59Speaker 2: demon in the Yeah, No, that chip.
- 6:02Speaker 1: Is a demon, Like like there there are kills where
- 6:07Speaker 1: this chimp is like doing it maliciously. Like it's not
- 6:12Speaker 1: just like a crazy animal that's gonna kill you and
- 6:16Speaker 1: just like rip you to pieces like an animal would, right,
- 6:19Speaker 1: Like this chimp has like cognitive thought of how to
- 6:23Speaker 1: fuck you up.
- 6:25Speaker 2: Well, and I told you is like the movie is
- 6:27Speaker 2: already terrifying for me on a level, just because if
- 6:30Speaker 2: a chimp wanted to, uh, they could just do that unprovoked,
- 6:34Speaker 2: because you know, I mean, they're very territorial animals, but
- 6:38Speaker 2: they're just also so strong. So I'm already scared going
- 6:41Speaker 2: into this because it's not that far from reality. Obviously,
- 6:44Speaker 2: I don't know how malicious they are, but nonetheless it
- 6:47Speaker 2: seems like a horror movie that's tapping into a a
- 6:52Speaker 2: maybe a possibility of you know, something that actually could happen.
- 6:56Speaker 1: Yeah, and like the whole setup for how they get
- 7:00Speaker 1: to where they are, it really does kind of feel
- 7:04Speaker 1: just a little YadA YadA like away, like the setup
- 7:08Speaker 1: for how the Chimp gets to where it is. It's
- 7:11Speaker 1: like two minutes of the movie and that's it. Fair
- 7:15Speaker 1: Like you get a you get an awesome kill sub
- 7:18Speaker 1: five minutes, and then you get like fifteen maybe twenty
- 7:23Speaker 1: minutes of kind of like setup of who these characters
- 7:27Speaker 1: are and what's going on in their life and like
- 7:30Speaker 1: why this situation is kind of already bizarre before they
- 7:34Speaker 1: get into things, and then the movie just starts happening
- 7:38Speaker 1: and it doesn't stop until the end. And by the
- 7:41Speaker 1: end you're like, how did they manage to do all
- 7:44Speaker 1: that while still doing nothing?
- 7:48Speaker 2: Well? I love I love that because it's also eighty
- 7:51Speaker 2: nine minutes, So if you're talking about, you know, about
- 7:54Speaker 2: twenty minutes of like kind of the intro exposition, I
- 7:57Speaker 2: mean that only really leaves about sixty minutes without credits,
- 8:01Speaker 2: So it's it's a pretty I assume the pacing's probably
- 8:04Speaker 2: gonna be pretty good just because it's not a long movie.
- 8:07Speaker 2: But this man's career is fucking wild, So Joe Hannas
- 8:13Speaker 2: Roberts right. He did the sequel to The Strangers Pray
- 8:16Speaker 2: at the Prey at Night, which was fine.
- 8:19Speaker 1: No, it was a stinker. That movie fucking sucked.
- 8:22Speaker 2: It was it was fine. I liked a lot of
- 8:25Speaker 2: aspects of it, but it just felt we didn't need it.
- 8:28Speaker 2: But then he did Welcome to Raccoon City, which was
- 8:30Speaker 2: an absolute stinker.
- 8:32Speaker 1: Then he doesn't Yeah, but I still liked it.
- 8:34Speaker 2: But then he does put forty seven Meters Down, a
- 8:36Speaker 2: movie that has terrible ratings. I fucking love forty seven
- 8:39Speaker 2: meters Down. He does the sequel, which was terrible. Not
- 8:43Speaker 2: a fan of that. And then he did my favorite
- 8:47Speaker 2: short from VHS ninety nine, Suicide Bid where she gets
- 8:51Speaker 2: buried in the coffin, and I'm like.
- 8:52Speaker 1: Yeah, that one, that one was really fucking good.
- 8:55Speaker 2: Like, this man's career is wildly all over the place.
- 8:59Speaker 2: So so, but either way, I'm excited to check out
- 9:02Speaker 2: Primate tonight. It's gonna be a fun time. I assume
- 9:05Speaker 2: a couple of things here, For me. I did watch
- 9:09Speaker 2: something called Let's Scare Jessica to Death. It very much
- 9:12Speaker 2: had a vibe like the Nesting. It was actually something
- 9:16Speaker 2: I was gonna do on the show, but decided to
- 9:19Speaker 2: do the nesting instead. And I don't I think I
- 9:22Speaker 2: missed something with Let's Scare Jessica to Death because let
- 9:25Speaker 2: me put this in perspective, it has a three point
- 9:27Speaker 2: five out of five, which is an insane rating. The
- 9:31Speaker 2: vibes were there, but it ultimately just underwhelmed me. I
- 9:35Speaker 2: gave it three stars. I thought it was just okay,
- 9:37Speaker 2: but I'm in the minority here. Then I watched something
- 9:40Speaker 2: called Beyond the Door three, and let me tell you, you
- 9:44Speaker 2: don't have to watch one or two to be up
- 9:46Speaker 2: to speed in this franchise.
- 9:48Speaker 1: Because that was gonna be my next question.
- 9:51Speaker 2: Yeah, so Beyond the Door one is an isolated incident.
- 9:55Speaker 2: Beyond the Door two actually goes by a name called
- 9:58Speaker 2: Shock from nineteen seventy nine, and I believe by Mario
- 10:01Speaker 2: Bava seeing that one wasn't a fan. And then Beyond
- 10:05Speaker 2: the Door three is this You will never see what
- 10:09Speaker 2: is coming in this movie. It is so fucking bonkers.
- 10:12Speaker 2: So eighties had some of the best practical. Okay, not
- 10:16Speaker 2: like best in terms of I mean, the quality is good,
- 10:19Speaker 2: don't get me wrong. Best in terms of, like, they're
- 10:22Speaker 2: going for it, they're having fun. And it's a subversion
- 10:25Speaker 2: on a couple of tropes in the eighties. It's actually
- 10:27Speaker 2: written by a woman named She'll Be or Sorry, Sheila Goldberg,
- 10:32Speaker 2: who is kind of prominent in the eighties, and this
- 10:35Speaker 2: is her only movie where she is the sole writer on,
- 10:39Speaker 2: which is pretty uh. I think that's pretty good impressive
- 10:42Speaker 2: because women in the eighties weren't, like, not a lot
- 10:45Speaker 2: of women were writing movies in the eighties, And what
- 10:48Speaker 2: she does with the tropes is a lot of fun.
- 10:51Speaker 2: But it is a wacky movie and I'm not gonna
- 10:54Speaker 2: say much else about it because it took a turn
- 10:57Speaker 2: about twenty five minutes in and then they just stayed
- 10:59Speaker 2: with that plotline and it was beyond insane. Uh crazy
- 11:04Speaker 2: good miniatures, like you can tell their miniatures, but it
- 11:07Speaker 2: has that just eighties charm to it.
- 11:09Speaker 1: It is you know, you know, I love a good miniature.
- 11:12Speaker 2: Like they cut away and you're like miniature and then
- 11:15Speaker 2: they cut to the people inside of where they are
- 11:17Speaker 2: and you're like this, I love this it was so
- 11:21Speaker 2: goddamn good and has a three point zero out of
- 11:23Speaker 2: five on Letterbox. I gave it a four. I thought
- 11:25Speaker 2: it was a lot of fun. And then for the
- 11:27Speaker 2: second week of my Cult Movie Challenge, I watched something
- 11:32Speaker 2: called night Hunter. This week because every week has a prompt,
- 11:37Speaker 2: it is Don the Dragon Wilson Week. I had never
- 11:41Speaker 2: heard of Don the Dragon Wilson, but he is very
- 11:46Speaker 2: popular in the kickboxing arena. He's actually quoted as being
- 11:51Speaker 2: like the best kickboxer. For example, his record is a
- 11:56Speaker 2: seventy two five to two forty seven of which were
- 11:59Speaker 2: knockout and he's done a lot of martial arts movies.
- 12:02Speaker 2: And this movie was essentially Blade before Blade, but you
- 12:06Speaker 2: have to remember that Blade came out in the seventies
- 12:09Speaker 2: and in Marvel Cannon in the comics, So I don't
- 12:12Speaker 2: know if they were intentionally trying to tell a Blade
- 12:17Speaker 2: story but not call it Blade, but it wasn't nearly
- 12:20Speaker 2: as good as the Blade that would come out in
- 12:24Speaker 2: nineteen ninety eight. And my fun little theory is Marvel
- 12:27Speaker 2: saw that movie and decided to make like, no, this
- 12:31Speaker 2: is how you're supposed to do it, Because I mean,
- 12:33Speaker 2: the Don Wilson is in a black leather like jumpsuit.
- 12:37Speaker 2: He's hunting vampires, vampires that can go out in the day.
- 12:41Speaker 2: I think he's also like a half vampire person. So
- 12:43Speaker 2: I'm like, this is Blade, but not Blade.
- 12:47Speaker 1: So it was and that would be that would be
- 12:49Speaker 1: an even better head cannon because according to Lare, the
- 12:56Speaker 1: Blade movie is what kind of saved Mark as a company.
- 13:02Speaker 1: It did, Yeah, it revitalized the entire thing and people
- 13:05Speaker 1: were like, oh, maybe maybe we can actually like make
- 13:08Speaker 1: Marvel movies. And then of course it caused the end
- 13:12Speaker 1: of cinema, but that was way down the line.
- 13:15Speaker 2: Right, because we wouldn't have what we have now without Blade.
- 13:19Speaker 2: But really, I know what got people interested in the
- 13:24Speaker 2: Marvel you know, cinematic universe or whatever. Spider Man is
- 13:26Speaker 2: what really gave us what we have today. But we
- 13:29Speaker 2: have to recognize that Blade was the saving grace for
- 13:32Speaker 2: Marvel and stuff like that. So I thought that was fun.
- 13:36Speaker 2: I gave it like a two and a half out
- 13:37Speaker 2: of five. It wasn't that great. It was entertaining, for sure,
- 13:41Speaker 2: but not a great movie by any means. Other than that,
- 13:44Speaker 2: I have nothing else, So let's roll into the body counts. Oh,
- 13:53Speaker 2: I am dB roundup time. This is Dead Stream from
- 13:56Speaker 2: twenty twenty two, released on October sixth of that year US.
- 14:01Speaker 2: It is not rated. This is an independent film and
- 14:03Speaker 2: they rarely are rated. Rarely are rated. That was a
- 14:06Speaker 2: hard thing to say. We've got no sex and nudity,
- 14:09Speaker 2: severe violence and gore, mild profanity, no alcohol, drugs and smoking,
- 14:13Speaker 2: and severe frightening and intense scenes coming in at an
- 14:17Speaker 2: hour and twenty seven minutes. And this is listed as
- 14:19Speaker 2: a comedy horror. I believe I was. I think it
- 14:22Speaker 2: was a conversation I had with you where I think
- 14:23Speaker 2: there is a distinct difference between comedy horror and horror
- 14:27Speaker 2: horror comedy. Yeah, we definitely had that conversation, okay, because
- 14:30Speaker 2: this is the perfect example of a comedy first that
- 14:34Speaker 2: has horror elements. Obviously. This was directed by a husband
- 14:40Speaker 2: and wife duo, Joseph Winter and Vanessa Winter. They also
- 14:45Speaker 2: co directed the two Helen back segment from VHS ninety nine.
- 14:49Speaker 2: They also wrote that segment as well. Joseph Winter composed
- 14:54Speaker 2: this movie, and he also composed the segment from VHS
- 14:57Speaker 2: ninety nine. Same cinematographer on their short from VHS, Jared Cook,
- 15:03Speaker 2: edited by Joseph as well. So this man directed, wrote, scored,
- 15:09Speaker 2: fucking edited, and starred in his own movie. Talk about
- 15:12Speaker 2: a jack of all trades.
- 15:14Speaker 1: Well that's that's if you want it done right, do
- 15:16Speaker 1: it yourself.
- 15:17Speaker 2: Not your type of thing. Yeah. It was also edited
- 15:21Speaker 2: to by his wife Vanessa, So obviously starring Joseph Winter
- 15:24Speaker 2: as Sean Ruddy. He was in the to Helen Back
- 15:27Speaker 2: segment in VHS ninety nine as Troy. We have Melanie
- 15:30Speaker 2: Stone as Chrissy. She played Mabel in the to Helen
- 15:33Speaker 2: Back segment from VHS ninety nine. And then we have
- 15:36Speaker 2: Jason K. Wixon as Cornerman slash cop corpse who has
- 15:40Speaker 2: a bunch of credits but nothing that rings a bell.
- 15:43Speaker 2: Estimated budget of NA couldn't find anything, but it did
- 15:46Speaker 2: gross about a million bucks when it did have its
- 15:49Speaker 2: short theatrical stint. This was filmed in Spanish Forks Sports
- 15:54Speaker 2: Park in Utah, So I love the fact that they
- 15:56Speaker 2: say this is in Utah and it's actually shot in
- 15:59Speaker 2: Utah on stuff there. This is actually streaming on quite
- 16:02Speaker 2: a few places. It's on Netflix, Shutter to Be, and
- 16:05Speaker 2: AMC Plus, so it is pretty readily available. Where did
- 16:09Speaker 2: you watch it?
- 16:10Speaker 1: At I think I watched it on Netflix because the
- 16:14Speaker 1: AMC Plus app on Roku devices is fucking atrocious.
- 16:20Speaker 2: Oh is it?
- 16:21Speaker 1: Oh it's so bad. Number one, it's slow, and number
- 16:24Speaker 1: two like sometimes it just doesn't show you the thing
- 16:29Speaker 1: that you're looking for. Like I looked it up, it
- 16:31Speaker 1: said it's on AMC plus type in dead stream on
- 16:34Speaker 1: the Roku. Nothing come up on AMC Plus, So I'm like, eh,
- 16:37Speaker 1: fuck it.
- 16:38Speaker 2: And this is where I get confused, because I know
- 16:40Speaker 2: AMC Plus and Shutter have some sort of connection, but
- 16:44Speaker 2: I don't know exactly when, maybe owned by the same
- 16:47Speaker 2: like parent company, because I don't know a lot of
- 16:50Speaker 2: the times if I see AMC Plus, it's also on Shutter,
- 16:52Speaker 2: but sometimes they're on either or so I don't know
- 16:55Speaker 2: what the deal is with that. But I thought they
- 16:56Speaker 2: were like a conglomerate. But who the fuck knows? What
- 16:59Speaker 2: do I know? I'm just some bitch movies that came
- 17:02Speaker 2: out around the same time. This was a pretty solid
- 17:05Speaker 2: year for fucking horror because listen to this shit. We've
- 17:08Speaker 2: got Barbarian, the original Finish Speak No Evil, I think
- 17:13Speaker 2: it was Finish Whatever, not the James McVoy one, which
- 17:17Speaker 2: I still liked Clerk's three perl Don't Worry Darling, which
- 17:21Speaker 2: I still need to see, Smile Terrifier to Halloween and
- 17:25Speaker 2: Black Adam, Pray for the Devil Tar and the Banshees
- 17:29Speaker 2: of an Issueran with Oh my God, his name is
- 17:33Speaker 2: left my Colin Farrell and the other guy I can't
- 17:36Speaker 2: think of right now. That's a pretty solid I mean
- 17:39Speaker 2: it is October, of course, in twenty twenty two, but
- 17:41Speaker 2: like a lot of big movies that came out, which
- 17:45Speaker 2: was pretty impressive, I didn't get to see this one
- 17:48Speaker 2: in theaters. I think I saw it when it went
- 17:50Speaker 2: to streaming, which I mean it's called dead stream. I
- 17:52Speaker 2: feel like you need to just watch it streaming. It
- 17:54Speaker 2: just makes it. It just makes the most sense. So
- 17:57Speaker 2: the IMDb summary here just raced Internet personality attempts to
- 18:01Speaker 2: win back his followers by live streaming one night alone
- 18:05Speaker 2: in a haunted house, but when he accidentally upsets evengeful spirit,
- 18:09Speaker 2: his big comeback event becomes a real time fight for
- 18:12Speaker 2: his life. This is dead Stream from twenty twenty two.
- 18:15Speaker 2: Let's hit the autopsy, blood and guts in your face.
- 18:21Speaker 2: So before we do overall thoughts, you know what real quick,
- 18:24Speaker 2: we'll do overall thoughts. So, Corey, I'm excited to hear
- 18:27Speaker 2: what you thought about this because and we'll tell your
- 18:29Speaker 2: story in just a second. But uh, what do we got?
- 18:33Speaker 2: What did you think of this one?
- 18:34Speaker 1: This movie? So I had the very unique experience of
- 18:39Speaker 1: being able to rewatch this movie for the first time
- 18:42Speaker 1: because I completely forgot that I had seen it before. So,
- 18:48Speaker 1: but this movie, it's it's it's so cartoonish in some aspects,
- 18:54Speaker 1: and it's so full of heart in other aspects that
- 18:58Speaker 1: some of the things that you're like a that kind
- 19:01Speaker 1: of sucks, it makes up for it in its earnest
- 19:05Speaker 1: and it's candor with what it's doing. Like Mildred her
- 19:09Speaker 1: makeup is so shitty.
- 19:11Speaker 2: Oh you didn't like the makeup?
- 19:13Speaker 1: No, I did not like the makeup, but we will
- 19:16Speaker 1: get to it later. She provides probably my favorite scare
- 19:22Speaker 1: of the entire movie.
- 19:23Speaker 2: Okay, and it is.
- 19:25Speaker 1: The most inconsequential scare probably of the entire movie, But
- 19:30Speaker 1: god damn it, I love it so much.
- 19:32Speaker 2: All right, Okay. Overall thoughts for me is, while this
- 19:36Speaker 2: does have a great score on Letterbox, I do think
- 19:40Speaker 2: it is an incredibly underappreciated film. That feels like Grave
- 19:43Speaker 2: Encounters meets Followed meets Evil Dead mashed together. It is
- 19:48Speaker 2: a perfect pairing of comedy and horror, all told through
- 19:51Speaker 2: my favorite lens and your favorite lens of the found
- 19:54Speaker 2: footage style. So yeah, I originally had chosen me for
- 19:57Speaker 2: this episode because you were like, no, I haven't seen
- 19:59Speaker 2: that one, and I was like, it's just like, really,
- 20:01Speaker 2: I feel like this is one that would have come
- 20:03Speaker 2: across your radar. So then you were watching it and
- 20:06Speaker 2: you were texting me and you were like, I've definitely
- 20:08Speaker 2: seen this well and see.
- 20:11Speaker 1: So here's here's what got me thinking that, No, I
- 20:16Speaker 1: truly have seen this movie, because I would say seven
- 20:21Speaker 1: out of ten times Jessica will sit and watch the
- 20:24Speaker 1: movie with me. Some of them she's just like, no,
- 20:26Speaker 1: I have no interest in that. Have fun, yeah, do
- 20:30Speaker 1: your show. But this one she was like, Okay, that
- 20:33Speaker 1: sounds interesting. So we're watching the movie and she's like,
- 20:38Speaker 1: so in this movie does this thing happen? I'm like, well,
- 20:42Speaker 1: I haven't seen this movie, but what you're saying sounds
- 20:44Speaker 1: like Grave Encounters, and she goes okay, and then like
- 20:47Speaker 1: ten fifteen minutes goes by and she's like okay, but
- 20:50Speaker 1: what about this thing happening? And I'm like, oh, no, no, no, no,
- 20:54Speaker 1: that's that happens in the Blair Witch Project. And she's
- 20:57Speaker 1: like and we keep going on, and then Chrissy finally
- 21:02Speaker 1: appears in the movie and I'm like, oh, no, I
- 21:06Speaker 1: truly have seen this movie. Thank you for making me
- 21:09Speaker 1: actually think about because otherwise, I mean, cause that's like
- 21:14Speaker 1: almost the halfway point of the movie kind of because
- 21:17Speaker 1: this movie's quick. So like I got halfway through the
- 21:21Speaker 1: movie before my partner made me realize that, yes, not
- 21:26Speaker 1: only have I seen this movie before, but she has
- 21:29Speaker 1: seen this movie before with me.
- 21:31Speaker 2: Oh that's hilarious.
- 21:32Speaker 1: So yeah, it was because way back when we first
- 21:36Speaker 1: got together, we went through this period of like four
- 21:39Speaker 1: months where the only movies we watched were found footage
- 21:42Speaker 1: horror movies. So like it got lost in the stream
- 21:46Speaker 1: somewhere and I just completely forgot about it.
- 21:49Speaker 2: No, that's fair. I mean there's plenty of times where
- 21:52Speaker 2: I will recognize like a poster or something like that
- 21:55Speaker 2: and like, yeah, this looks vaguely familiar. Maybe I didn't
- 21:58Speaker 2: log it on letterbox or on things, so and then
- 22:00Speaker 2: I'll turn it on and sure enough, now I've seen
- 22:03Speaker 2: this movie, so it's I don't think it was it
- 22:06Speaker 2: was a forgettable movie that you didn't remember. It was
- 22:09Speaker 2: just I watched this in a time where I was
- 22:11Speaker 2: watching so much shit. Like you said, yeah, lost.
- 22:15Speaker 1: It's it's not a forgettable movie. And now that I've
- 22:18Speaker 1: seen it for a second time like this it it
- 22:21Speaker 1: will probably make its way into the rotation again at
- 22:25Speaker 1: some point.
- 22:25Speaker 2: Okay, so the uh I So, as we've discussed with
- 22:32Speaker 2: movies like The Visit when we did that last year,
- 22:35Speaker 2: I love the found footage style mockumentary style because it
- 22:39Speaker 2: is so easy to set up the premise of your
- 22:42Speaker 2: fucking movie. And this is no exception. And the first
- 22:45Speaker 2: words out of Sean Ruddy's mouth is I'm a piece
- 22:50Speaker 2: of trash and then he hops in a trash can.
- 22:52Speaker 2: I already knew the vibe I was getting into with
- 22:55Speaker 2: a YouTube personality calling himself a piece of trash and
- 22:59Speaker 2: then cutting to a mode of him doing all this
- 23:01Speaker 2: wacky stuff. And while at this point to me, the
- 23:05Speaker 2: found footage kind of content creation style movie is lost
- 23:11Speaker 2: on me. At this point, I feel like we're hitting
- 23:13Speaker 2: and it hasn't even been around that long. I think
- 23:15Speaker 2: followed was really the kind of the first one to
- 23:17Speaker 2: do that. I'm kind of over the YouTuber making a movie,
- 23:21Speaker 2: but this is this hit me at a time where
- 23:24Speaker 2: I was like, this is exactly what I need. This
- 23:26Speaker 2: is gonna be great. And he sets it up. I mean,
- 23:29Speaker 2: he tells the camera you know, I had problems and
- 23:32Speaker 2: I got canceled for this and that, and now I
- 23:35Speaker 2: got sponsorships back, so we're gonna do one last live stream,
- 23:39Speaker 2: and you know, he made an apology video and all
- 23:41Speaker 2: this stuff. So you're like five minutes in, Okay, I
- 23:44Speaker 2: know exactly what's going on. So how did that set
- 23:47Speaker 2: up an execution work for the setup of the movie
- 23:49Speaker 2: work for you?
- 23:50Speaker 1: So I really enjoyed it because to me, like I
- 23:55Speaker 1: am old enough to be at a point where I
- 23:59Speaker 1: remember og YouTube and like I watched the come up
- 24:04Speaker 1: to where it is currently now, and it was it
- 24:08Speaker 1: was really funny because there's there's a certain age in
- 24:14Speaker 1: the YouTube space that it was just like people being
- 24:21Speaker 1: overtly casually racist and like going out and not committing
- 24:27Speaker 1: crimes for crime's sake like people do now on YouTube
- 24:32Speaker 1: and stuff, but like committing crimes because they're genuinely ignorant
- 24:38Speaker 1: people and don't know that what they're doing is like
- 24:41Speaker 1: socially frowned upon, right, and all the things that made
- 24:47Speaker 1: YouTube kind of the wild West of the Internet for
- 24:50Speaker 1: a little bit, and it is now since a bygone era,
- 24:54Speaker 1: and YouTube has become so corporatized. Like you can find
- 25:01Speaker 1: five people all with the exact same format and style
- 25:06Speaker 1: of video, just talking about different subjects in the same
- 25:12Speaker 1: vein of interest, and they all look the same and
- 25:15Speaker 1: it's a formula now, whereas back then it was like, yo,
- 25:19Speaker 1: let's break into this fucking house and see what we
- 25:22Speaker 1: can see, or let's go like poke homeless people with
- 25:26Speaker 1: sticks and see what happens, and we'll just put it
- 25:29Speaker 1: on the internet. Nobody was making money off of it.
- 25:31Speaker 1: Yet it was all just I want to do stupid
- 25:35Speaker 1: shit on the internet for strangers. Yeah, I mean this one,
- 25:38Speaker 1: and that's what this movie and that's what this movie
- 25:40Speaker 1: felt like to me. It felt like two thousand and
- 25:44Speaker 1: seven YouTube.
- 25:45Speaker 2: The golden era of YouTube, because I mean, yeah, at
- 25:48Speaker 2: that point, we didn't have Vine, we didn't have TikTok.
- 25:51Speaker 2: I genuinely don't know if Instagram was around in two
- 25:54Speaker 2: thousand and seven. I know Facebook was later two thousands
- 25:59Speaker 2: around that time, so it's entirely possible Instagram was there,
- 26:01Speaker 2: but we didn't have reels, we didn't have any of
- 26:04Speaker 2: that shit. And I do agree with you. It feels
- 26:07Speaker 2: just like that and the fact that his whole reason
- 26:09Speaker 2: for kind of being canceled was it was a bum fight,
- 26:12Speaker 2: And I'm like, I remember those bum fight videos like those,
- 26:16Speaker 2: those those were huge.
- 26:18Speaker 3: I owned those VHS tapes see exactly, So it felt
- 26:23Speaker 3: relatable to me because I remember seeing those and it
- 26:27Speaker 3: was just kind of a funny point of how he
- 26:30Speaker 3: got canceled.
- 26:31Speaker 2: And they reveal more along, you know, as the movie
- 26:34Speaker 2: goes along, like he didn't know he was sick or
- 26:37Speaker 2: something like that or whatever. But I just love it.
- 26:39Speaker 2: The setup is great and by the time, I mean,
- 26:41Speaker 2: you get to the house very quickly, and he spends
- 26:44Speaker 2: most of the runtime in that house, and you got
- 26:47Speaker 2: to remember it's about eighty seven minutes, so it's not
- 26:49Speaker 2: very long. It doesn't overstay, it's welcome, but a lot
- 26:52Speaker 2: of the movie is in that house. It's all filmed
- 26:56Speaker 2: in a literal abandoned house in the whatever I said
- 26:59Speaker 2: you forks area. So he's just a jackass. With the YouTube,
- 27:05Speaker 2: and he plays that internet personality so well to where
- 27:10Speaker 2: I hate him, but he's also making me laugh. It's
- 27:15Speaker 2: like he is the complete polar opposite of that terrible
- 27:19Speaker 2: character I hated from dash cam Annie. She was a
- 27:23Speaker 2: miserable piece of shit who was just she was annoying
- 27:26Speaker 2: to the point of, like, Wow, I cannot stand you
- 27:29Speaker 2: because you're a terrible person. I feel like there is
- 27:32Speaker 2: a good person somewhere down in Sean Ruddy. I'm gonna
- 27:36Speaker 2: use this phrase again, but he got lost in the
- 27:38Speaker 2: sauce along the way, and I do feel like he
- 27:41Speaker 2: wants to genuinely apologize and get his followers back, but
- 27:45Speaker 2: he plays the character of like, God, you're so insufferable,
- 27:49Speaker 2: but you're still making me laugh. And all of his
- 27:53Speaker 2: reactions to things, in my opinion, were hilarious because it
- 27:56Speaker 2: also reminded me of my very good friend Will. This
- 27:59Speaker 2: is this is Will. If he went in and did
- 28:02Speaker 2: this exact same thing, this would be his reactions. The
- 28:05Speaker 2: high pitch screaming, the manic energy. He plays this character
- 28:10Speaker 2: so well, and I want to know what you thought
- 28:12Speaker 2: of it, Like did you kind of have the same
- 28:14Speaker 2: vibe or did you find his character just plain annoying.
- 28:17Speaker 1: So it's it's kind of split a little bit because
- 28:22Speaker 1: I I don't think the movie would have worked on
- 28:26Speaker 1: a comedy level if he wasn't doing what he was
- 28:31Speaker 1: doing right. But also, as much as I try not
- 28:35Speaker 1: to be, I can sometimes be very judgy just by
- 28:39Speaker 1: looking at people right and looking at this guy, I'm like, man,
- 28:44Speaker 1: this is a huge put on for you. Like you
- 28:46Speaker 1: like you off camera, You're not this guy, And like
- 28:50Speaker 1: I'm I am accidentally seeing through the character to the
- 28:54Speaker 1: man that is writing the character, because nobody who acts
- 28:58Speaker 1: like that can write like that. Is that is purely
- 29:03Speaker 1: a pull up. And it took me out of it
- 29:05Speaker 1: ever so slightly because I'm like, I'm like you as
- 29:09Speaker 1: this character. It like you as a person and you
- 29:12Speaker 1: as this character don't match. And I can kind of
- 29:15Speaker 1: feel that energy. And here's my here, I'm gonna do
- 29:18Speaker 1: a hot take a little bit early. Just go for it,
- 29:21Speaker 1: just because I've been watching a lot of the Fallout
- 29:25Speaker 1: show and I didn't realize that one of the characters
- 29:28Speaker 1: I see on TikTok all the time, Johnny Pemberton. I
- 29:33Speaker 1: feel like he would have been the perfect cast person
- 29:36Speaker 1: for this because I feel like Sean Ruddy should have
- 29:40Speaker 1: been a little smaller, a little bit more sniffly for
- 29:45Speaker 1: his character to work as it does. Like I feel
- 29:50Speaker 1: like he's too I mean it, Yes, it adds to
- 29:53Speaker 1: the comedy for this character to be kind of a
- 29:56Speaker 1: bigger person seems fairly tall, and him to be such
- 30:01Speaker 1: a woos Yeah, that makes sense on a comedy level.
- 30:04Speaker 1: But I also feel like having a smaller, like not
- 30:09Speaker 1: necessarily meek, but like awkward and smivey, would give the
- 30:14Speaker 1: character a little bit more more.
- 30:16Speaker 2: Edge or more rounding.
- 30:19Speaker 1: Okay, because like I said, I feel like with this character,
- 30:22Speaker 1: his size, the way he looks, his actions are a
- 30:25Speaker 1: little bit more of a put on. And I get it,
- 30:27Speaker 1: it's a live stream supposed to be entertainment, but like
- 30:30Speaker 1: you said, I feel like it gets just a smidgeen
- 30:32Speaker 1: lost in the sauce.
- 30:34Speaker 2: Yeah. And I think though, even with that performance, it's
- 30:38Speaker 2: something that's really hard to do because a lot of
- 30:40Speaker 2: the complaints I have been reading and the reviews are, oh,
- 30:42Speaker 2: he's just insufferable. It's like, yeah, but that's the bit
- 30:46Speaker 2: I don't I don't know if people understand it's like
- 30:48Speaker 2: that that's the whole thing he's he is.
- 30:51Speaker 1: It's satire on satire, right.
- 30:53Speaker 2: He is kind of making a mockery of these types
- 30:57Speaker 2: of YouTubers who are like, how do you have all
- 30:59Speaker 2: these views? I don't get it. You're I can't watch
- 31:03Speaker 2: any of this, So I think he's do. I think
- 31:06Speaker 2: someone could have maybe added a little bit different, you know,
- 31:08Speaker 2: flavor to it. Sure, but for the purposes of this movie,
- 31:12Speaker 2: I do really like his character, because again, you're you're
- 31:15Speaker 2: making me laugh hysterically, but I kind of think you're
- 31:18Speaker 2: a douchebag.
- 31:19Speaker 1: So oh yeah.
- 31:22Speaker 2: Something else I really loved in the opening of the
- 31:24Speaker 2: movie is text on screen. Baby. We talk about this
- 31:27Speaker 2: all the time, and I was fucking wheezing at this
- 31:32Speaker 2: moment because it has your standard text on screen. It's
- 31:35Speaker 2: like this footage was recovered and Sean Ruddy is still missing.
- 31:38Speaker 2: But then all of a sudden, the text starts backing
- 31:42Speaker 2: away from the camera and I was like, what the hell?
- 31:46Speaker 2: And then he pulls it down. It's a shirt. He's like,
- 31:48Speaker 2: these shirts will be available for sale, and I'm like,
- 31:50Speaker 2: to me, that was so goddamn hilarious, just because of
- 31:53Speaker 2: I love the text on screen, but it was a
- 31:55Speaker 2: fucking t shirt. He loved that, and.
- 31:59Speaker 1: See for me, it wasn't so much a funny thing
- 32:03Speaker 1: as a god damn it. Now I want that on
- 32:06Speaker 1: some of my Like I want that for some of
- 32:08Speaker 1: my favorite movies, like give Me the Blair Witch opening
- 32:13Speaker 1: with with that on a shirt like that'd be, that'd
- 32:15Speaker 1: be fucking phenomenal. Like damn it, I'm angry now that
- 32:19Speaker 1: that is not an actual product that I can have.
- 32:21Speaker 2: Honestly, I will check while we are talking about the
- 32:24Speaker 2: movie and see if maybe he he honestly knowing him,
- 32:27Speaker 2: he might actually like have that up for sale on
- 32:29Speaker 2: a website, which I wouldn't be surprised.
- 32:31Speaker 1: Yeah, no, because that's that's an awesome like And and
- 32:35Speaker 1: what's funny about the character is as dumb as the
- 32:39Speaker 1: character is in the context of what he's doing, he's
- 32:43Speaker 1: a fucking marketing genius.
- 32:45Speaker 2: One hundred percent. I couldn't agree more. And that's what
- 32:49Speaker 2: I think his characters. It has like so many layers
- 32:54Speaker 2: in one regard, but then on on the other on
- 32:57Speaker 2: like the other hand, it's like he feels so like
- 32:58Speaker 2: surface level human, but he also does he also does
- 33:02Speaker 2: just feel like this genius who knows how to get
- 33:05Speaker 2: the numbers and get moments like I don't know. His
- 33:07Speaker 2: character is so interesting, and of course he's the main character,
- 33:10Speaker 2: really the only person we see outside of Chrissy who
- 33:13Speaker 2: shows up later. And I think this is an incredible
- 33:16Speaker 2: feat to do to do all of this background work
- 33:20Speaker 2: and editing and composing and also star in the movie
- 33:24Speaker 2: and direct the movie and it's basically him for ninety
- 33:27Speaker 2: percent of the movie. It's incredible that he did all
- 33:31Speaker 2: of this. He must be fucking exhausted after doing all
- 33:34Speaker 2: this now, of course he's Yeah. I did watch some
- 33:36Speaker 2: the Blu ray I have. It's a steal book that
- 33:41Speaker 2: I got from Amazon, has some incredible special features that
- 33:44Speaker 2: I actually wasn't anticipating for an indie movie like this
- 33:48Speaker 2: to have. You've got a commentary. Of course, you have
- 33:51Speaker 2: monsters in makeup, which I did watch, and they told
- 33:55Speaker 2: us how everything on screen is practical. Every monster you
- 33:59Speaker 2: see was aid practically.
- 34:01Speaker 1: They have, well and see that's you can definitely tell
- 34:05Speaker 1: like And I feel like that's where most of the
- 34:09Speaker 1: budget went was making the actual monsters, which is why
- 34:15Speaker 1: like Mildred suffered a little bit, or like that potato
- 34:20Speaker 1: gun scene had to be fucking expensive, right, like, that's
- 34:23Speaker 1: that's a lot of practical effects to be using. So yeah,
- 34:27Speaker 1: like white makeup and like, let's throw some coffee grounds
- 34:31Speaker 1: on her teeth, dress her up like an old lady.
- 34:34Speaker 2: So they did. They did say in that special feature
- 34:38Speaker 2: that they were it was an ode to eighties effects.
- 34:41Speaker 2: I don't know if that maybe will sway your opinions,
- 34:45Speaker 2: but they were trying their best to recreate kind of
- 34:48Speaker 2: the things that scared them as kids. Like the Cornerman
- 34:51Speaker 2: was actually a completely original idea by one of the
- 34:54Speaker 2: makeup artists there. They just said, make a creepy face,
- 34:57Speaker 2: and she just made this thing. But I think it's
- 35:00Speaker 2: really cool that everything was practical. Now, I obviously think
- 35:03Speaker 2: there might have been some digital alteration for the shadow
- 35:05Speaker 2: that they did when they play the live stream back
- 35:09Speaker 2: and he sees that shadow walk in, but all of
- 35:11Speaker 2: the monsters you see on screen are practical. They have
- 35:14Speaker 2: the cameras and lighting of dead stream sound designed, and
- 35:17Speaker 2: then they have fucking one, two, three, four, five, six,
- 35:20Speaker 2: seven eight deleted scenes. So honestly, if you like physical
- 35:24Speaker 2: media and you want to get the Blu Ray, this
- 35:25Speaker 2: thing is fucking stacked with special features and it's really cool.
- 35:28Speaker 2: To get that peek behind the curtain and see how
- 35:30Speaker 2: this was done, because it is all done from go pros,
- 35:35Speaker 2: which is not easy to do shooting wise, because all
- 35:39Speaker 2: of them are connected to his tablet, and that's kind
- 35:41Speaker 2: of how everyone was seeing his point of view that
- 35:45Speaker 2: were you know, because obviously he's directing the movie, but
- 35:48Speaker 2: you have to have someone watching the screen if you're
- 35:50Speaker 2: acting and directing, to make sure you're getting the right shot,
- 35:52Speaker 2: the cinematographer. So they ran into some issues there because
- 35:56Speaker 2: there was a little bit of a delay here and
- 35:58Speaker 2: there because they were using wireless go pros hooked up
- 36:01Speaker 2: to an iPad. So it's incredible that this movie even
- 36:04Speaker 2: got made just because of how they had to shoot it.
- 36:07Speaker 2: Because everything I think he might have one real camera
- 36:11Speaker 2: in his hand, but most of it is go pros.
- 36:13Speaker 2: That must have been a nightmare, just like I couldn't
- 36:17Speaker 2: imagine trying to shoot an entire movie with like all
- 36:19Speaker 2: those different angles and keeping continuity up like that. It
- 36:22Speaker 2: must have been extremely difficult.
- 36:25Speaker 1: But yeah, so far, the only other director that we
- 36:28Speaker 1: know of that has done something like that and to
- 36:32Speaker 1: nowhere near his high quality is.
- 36:36Speaker 2: Fucking Nigel Oh yeah, good lord, that man is still
- 36:40Speaker 2: making movies and it's crazy.
- 36:42Speaker 1: And now he's asking for donations and if you donate
- 36:47Speaker 1: a certain amount, you can send him in a headshot
- 36:51Speaker 1: or a picture of your animal and he will put
- 36:54Speaker 1: it on the wall to be in the next movie.
- 36:59Speaker 2: Oh no, Joe, we interviewed him as well back on
- 37:01Speaker 2: like episode thirty seven. He was a who to talk to.
- 37:04Speaker 2: So this movie Man Dead Stream good. It's so much fun.
- 37:10Speaker 2: I love the house. I think the location is great.
- 37:12Speaker 2: It gives evil dead vibes, but just much more modern
- 37:17Speaker 2: because it's a more modern Actually the house I think
- 37:19Speaker 2: it was from the seventies or eighties or something like that,
- 37:21Speaker 2: but it's just this derelict, dilapidated house. I think it
- 37:25Speaker 2: was called like death Manner or something like that. That's
- 37:28Speaker 2: what he dubbed it, I think, which is a lot
- 37:30Speaker 2: of fun. And what's really great is nothing really happens
- 37:34Speaker 2: for a while. He's just kind of going around reacting
- 37:37Speaker 2: to all of this stuff, and then eventually, once you
- 37:39Speaker 2: will see that replay of the shadow walking, that's when
- 37:42Speaker 2: everything kind of takes off. But I feel the pacing
- 37:45Speaker 2: was pretty good for especially since it was eighty seven minutes.
- 37:49Speaker 2: I'd love to hear your kind of thoughts on the pacing,
- 37:51Speaker 2: on the movie itself and how like, you know, were
- 37:54Speaker 2: you with it the whole time or did some elements
- 37:57Speaker 2: kind of take you out here and there.
- 38:00Speaker 1: I wouldn't say I was ever like taken out I do,
- 38:04Speaker 1: And again I get it for the context of the
- 38:08Speaker 1: character in the world of the movie that he's in.
- 38:11Speaker 2: Yeah, but he the first little.
- 38:15Speaker 1: Bit is a little time wasting, and you know, to
- 38:20Speaker 1: get it to be a feature length, like if you
- 38:23Speaker 1: just get the intro where he's back in the shirt
- 38:26Speaker 1: up and then he's like boom in the house, yeah,
- 38:29Speaker 1: you get like a sixty five minute movie, right, And
- 38:33Speaker 1: it makes it a little bit more difficult. So I
- 38:36Speaker 1: get it. I just I wish they didn't waste as
- 38:39Speaker 1: much time. Like once he gets into the house, I'm
- 38:43Speaker 1: fine with him fucking around and running away from things
- 38:48Speaker 1: that aren't there and like poking old dolls and shit
- 38:52Speaker 1: like that's all right, but like, get us to the
- 38:57Speaker 1: house just a little bit quicker and I know what
- 38:59Speaker 1: happens quick, like just a scoach.
- 39:02Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, pacing and editing is extremely important. But
- 39:07Speaker 2: I do love the story he gives us about the house,
- 39:10Speaker 2: but I mean, who the fuck knows if it's actually true.
- 39:13Speaker 2: He's kind of an unreliable narrator, although I do enjoy
- 39:17Speaker 2: the backstory that he provides. It's a lot of fun.
- 39:19Speaker 2: And they also have that did they call it a talisman,
- 39:22Speaker 2: the thing that was protecting the house from the evil Homsta.
- 39:27Speaker 2: That was really cool. I liked that addition, and how
- 39:30Speaker 2: since he broke it, he had people on the internet
- 39:33Speaker 2: trying to figure it out, and then you know, someone
- 39:35Speaker 2: sends him a video of how to make a new one.
- 39:37Speaker 2: Of course, that doesn't work in the end, because I'm
- 39:39Speaker 2: pretty sure he dies because the camera just cut. But
- 39:43Speaker 2: the lower in the story building was a lot of fun.
- 39:46Speaker 2: Whether it was true or not or he was making
- 39:48Speaker 2: it up, you know, I'm assuming it was true based
- 39:50Speaker 2: on the events that happened, but it was just a
- 39:52Speaker 2: little extra flair to the movie. I didn't think we
- 39:54Speaker 2: were gonna get I just thought it was gonna be, Oh,
- 39:57Speaker 2: this house just happens to be haunted, but it was.
- 39:59Speaker 2: There's these little touches here and there that I feel
- 40:01Speaker 2: really add to the storytelling aspect of this movie, because
- 40:05Speaker 2: while it did feel familiar in a sense, a Lah
- 40:08Speaker 2: Evil Dead. Of course, I think that's its biggest inspiration.
- 40:12Speaker 2: It felt fresh at the same time, and like I
- 40:14Speaker 2: mentioned before, Followed dash Cam similar. I would say Followed
- 40:19Speaker 2: is the most similar movie to this because they actually
- 40:21Speaker 2: go and investigate a real I mean, they didn't film
- 40:24Speaker 2: inside the haunted Cecil Hotel, but they have exterior shots
- 40:28Speaker 2: of it.
- 40:29Speaker 1: And I'm sure if they didn't try though.
- 40:31Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and you can listen to that on that episode.
- 40:34Speaker 2: But it very much vibes like that because they're going
- 40:36Speaker 2: to this place that's assumed to be haunted and actually
- 40:40Speaker 2: encountering haunted things, where in the inverse Grave Encounters is
- 40:44Speaker 2: faking everything, and then they run into some real shit
- 40:46Speaker 2: as well. But yeah, I just think the storytelling of
- 40:51Speaker 2: this is very strong. I think the acting is strong
- 40:53Speaker 2: as well. There's obviously no real score because it is
- 40:56Speaker 2: a found footage, live stream type movie, but.
- 41:00Speaker 1: Except for his uh little tape recorder that he's got.
- 41:03Speaker 2: That's what I was gonna say. I loved how they
- 41:05Speaker 2: actually were able to add in that. That was a
- 41:08Speaker 2: very clever way to add in additional sounds that would
- 41:12Speaker 2: be technically done in post, but he just he played
- 41:15Speaker 2: his spooky music. At one point, and then I think
- 41:17Speaker 2: he had like an eighty centhy song at one so
- 41:19Speaker 2: I was like, that's yeah. I was like, that's a
- 41:21Speaker 2: fun way to add a score to a movie and
- 41:23Speaker 2: have it actually make sense. And a lot of the
- 41:26Speaker 2: tropes that you find and found footage movies. There are
- 41:29Speaker 2: some here, of course, but you don't hear stop recording.
- 41:32Speaker 2: Oh wait, why are we recording this? It's a live stream.
- 41:35Speaker 2: So they found a fun way to like kind of
- 41:38Speaker 2: steer around some of the familiar tropes were used to
- 41:42Speaker 2: in these types of movies, because that's the whole reason
- 41:45Speaker 2: he's there. He's live streaming. Why would you stop streaming anything,
- 41:48Speaker 2: especially when shit got real well.
- 41:50Speaker 1: And it's it's funny that you say that, because I
- 41:54Speaker 1: I kind of sort of disagree because I feel like
- 42:00Speaker 1: the chat section is what is supplying those tropes, which
- 42:08Speaker 1: is why it feels fresh, because some of them are like,
- 42:11Speaker 1: oh I wish you would just die so we could
- 42:13Speaker 1: get this over with, like that's a stop recording, or
- 42:17Speaker 1: the the oh the ghost is behind you, instead of
- 42:22Speaker 1: the person holding the camera to their face and seeing
- 42:24Speaker 1: the thing rise from behind them, which would normally be
- 42:27Speaker 1: the trope. It's now people informing, Oh, there's something going on,
- 42:32Speaker 1: so it's it's a fresh take on the tropes. Okay,
- 42:37Speaker 1: And I know probably like most people, they won't even
- 42:41Speaker 1: read the little chat that's going on. They probably think
- 42:44Speaker 1: it's just nonsense to fill out the theme of what's
- 42:47Speaker 1: going on. But when you actually read it, you're like, oh,
- 42:52Speaker 1: like they're supplying the tropes there. It's just completely quote
- 42:56Speaker 1: unquote unspoken.
- 42:58Speaker 2: That's true. I didn't think about it in that way,
- 43:00Speaker 2: but you're totally right. So while they're technically avoiding them
- 43:02Speaker 2: in the sense of who's recording and who's on screen,
- 43:05Speaker 2: they are kind of provided they're in the text and
- 43:08Speaker 2: I read as much as I can, they do kind
- 43:10Speaker 2: of go quickly. But on that sense you brought that up.
- 43:12Speaker 2: I'm glad that that wasn't there the entire time, because
- 43:15Speaker 2: I feel like there was a movie, I think it
- 43:19Speaker 2: was dash Cam where the chat was constantly there the
- 43:23Speaker 2: entire movie. I feel like it was, but I can't remember,
- 43:25Speaker 2: But there was another movie that had chat ons right,
- 43:30Speaker 2: there was an it, one.
- 43:31Speaker 1: Of the unfriended ones, the Dark Web one where it's
- 43:37Speaker 1: like all the friends and the guy comes in, like
- 43:39Speaker 1: the Dark Web guy comes in and he starts making
- 43:42Speaker 1: him do shit.
- 43:43Speaker 2: Well he's so. I know on those movies, the person,
- 43:47Speaker 2: since it's like an entity or whatever, is typing what
- 43:50Speaker 2: they what they want to do. But I swear there
- 43:52Speaker 2: was another movie that was being live streamed and.
- 43:56Speaker 1: Ah, it's a VHS viral, the ice Cream Truck.
- 44:02Speaker 2: Oh really, it's.
- 44:03Speaker 1: It's the it's the in between scenes where they're doing
- 44:07Speaker 1: the uh where they're chasing the ice cream truck. It's
- 44:10Speaker 1: the wrap around stry Okay, I think that's it. Okay, yeah, well,
- 44:13Speaker 1: because that one is fucking terrible.
- 44:15Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not great, but I'm glad in this movie
- 44:18Speaker 2: that they popped up provided some comic relief. Sean reacted
- 44:22Speaker 2: to them, and then they went away. It was a
- 44:24Speaker 2: good idea to not keep them up the entire time,
- 44:26Speaker 2: because that would have been hella distracting and it would
- 44:29Speaker 2: have taken away from what was on screen. So yeah,
- 44:31Speaker 2: I do like the addition, I think, because it does
- 44:34Speaker 2: give it that live stream feel, of course, but having
- 44:37Speaker 2: them up there the entire time would have been a
- 44:39Speaker 2: missed up in my opinion. Something. Another thing that was great,
- 44:44Speaker 2: obviously was the addition of Chrissy the idea of this
- 44:47Speaker 2: super fan that tracks him down and wants to help
- 44:51Speaker 2: out in the ghost investigation is hilarious. As much as
- 44:55Speaker 2: I love Sean's character, I feel like it was necessary
- 44:58Speaker 2: to have the dead the dynamic changed up a bit
- 45:01Speaker 2: because now he's thrown off. You can kind of see
- 45:04Speaker 2: how annoyed he is and how excited she is to
- 45:08Speaker 2: be there, because he's like, all right, I guess and
- 45:10Speaker 2: she's like, well, let's let's do a poll. Do you
- 45:12Speaker 2: want Chrissy this day? And it's like unanimous that He's like,
- 45:15Speaker 2: all right, I guess, I'll give you a go pro
- 45:18Speaker 2: And so he gets She gets the Mildred cam, and
- 45:21Speaker 2: then you get so many other funny cams throughout the move.
- 45:24Speaker 2: You get the beefstick cam, you get all these funny
- 45:29Speaker 2: other cams. I can't remember Mill Dead Mill Dead cam,
- 45:33Speaker 2: it's so funny.
- 45:34Speaker 1: Spearcams.
- 45:35Speaker 2: Spear cam. That was another one. I thought that was
- 45:37Speaker 2: a lot of fun too, Like this guy is being
- 45:40Speaker 2: chased down by actual entities and demons and ghosts, but
- 45:43Speaker 2: he's still taking the time to name the cameras funny things.
- 45:47Speaker 2: It's just something that hit me, like with belly laughs
- 45:50Speaker 2: every time because it's like you are focused on the
- 45:52Speaker 2: incorrect thing at this point in time. So let's see here.
- 45:59Speaker 2: So about Sean's actions, because I know that's a hot
- 46:01Speaker 2: kind of button issue for people and why they didn't
- 46:03Speaker 2: like it. And the screaming and the yelling. Is that
- 46:06Speaker 2: something that got tiring to you throughout the course of
- 46:09Speaker 2: the movie, Because I do feel at some points I
- 46:11Speaker 2: was like all right, but other points, the pitch and
- 46:15Speaker 2: the tone of his scream it just was funny to me.
- 46:18Speaker 2: I don't know.
- 46:20Speaker 1: So when he was purely and simply running away and screaming,
- 46:25Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, this fucking dump okay. But when
- 46:29Speaker 1: he runs and then hides under what I can only
- 46:35Speaker 1: describe as a blanket that has smallpox and mold, like
- 46:42Speaker 1: the nastiest of blankets, hiding under that hilarious screaming running
- 46:46Speaker 1: jumping out the window, absolutely fucking comic gold. Or when
- 46:51Speaker 1: he's like running and hiding, but when he's just like
- 46:55Speaker 1: running down the hallway screaming and then he closes the
- 46:57Speaker 1: door and like sits down behind the door. No, because
- 46:59Speaker 1: he does that a lot.
- 47:00Speaker 2: Yeah, right, that.
- 47:03Speaker 1: Kind of gets annoying. But when it's accompanied with some
- 47:07Speaker 1: other type of comedic shtick. I'm like, all right, this
- 47:10Speaker 1: is fucking hilarious, Like yeah, like that's what that's what
- 47:14Speaker 1: it should be every time. And I get it. It's
- 47:17Speaker 1: not a big house, and you can only think of
- 47:20Speaker 1: so many funny ways to run around before you have
- 47:25Speaker 1: to start putting like yack Andy Sacks on it and
- 47:28Speaker 1: making it like a like a nineteen fifty Scooby Duo
- 47:32Speaker 1: chase scene.
- 47:34Speaker 2: Yeah. And it's like, I don't know exactly what I
- 47:37Speaker 2: find so funny about Sean. I don't know if it's
- 47:40Speaker 2: what he's actually saying, how he's saying it. Is he
- 47:44Speaker 2: unintentionally funny? Is he saying just the most out of
- 47:48Speaker 2: pocket shit. I don't know what it is about his
- 47:50Speaker 2: character and his delivery and the screaming. But I don't
- 47:53Speaker 2: know if for me it just works on every level.
- 47:57Speaker 2: At some points I agree with you, You're like, all right,
- 47:59Speaker 2: maybe this a little much, But I just I can't
- 48:01Speaker 2: put a finger on why exactly. His character to me
- 48:04Speaker 2: is just so goddamn hilarious. He just feels real. I
- 48:07Speaker 2: don't know.
- 48:08Speaker 1: I think part of it is because for the most part,
- 48:13Speaker 1: like yes, we know it's a movie, we know it's
- 48:15Speaker 1: acting this is not an actual live stream. Everything is
- 48:18Speaker 1: made up, but everything feels unintentional. Okay, like it so
- 48:25Speaker 1: in the same vein as the Black Woe Ghost series.
- 48:31Speaker 1: Everything seems so intentional that it couldn't be made up, Right,
- 48:37Speaker 1: this feels so unintentional that it couldn't be made up.
- 48:43Speaker 1: Like the level of absurdity is so high that you're like, well,
- 48:48Speaker 1: obviously this fuck head got himself into some shit, like
- 48:54Speaker 1: so it it gives it that human level, like it
- 48:57Speaker 1: surpasses the barrier of like wilful disbelief into Okay, I
- 49:05Speaker 1: believe this now because it's so absurd.
- 49:08Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right. I mean, the level of absurdity is
- 49:10Speaker 2: up there, and for me, it's just I enjoy the
- 49:14Speaker 2: entire ride. I do. I'll get to the ending here
- 49:18Speaker 2: here in a bit, But I know one point I
- 49:20Speaker 2: wanted to hit on, especially since we're talking about Sean
- 49:23Speaker 2: and just how he is as a person in his
- 49:25Speaker 2: reactions do so, he apologizes for his past stunts in
- 49:30Speaker 2: a video, but then he apologizes again. Now do we
- 49:33Speaker 2: believe him? Do we think he's being genuine? Because I
- 49:38Speaker 2: honestly don't know. Part of me wants to believe that
- 49:40Speaker 2: he's learned, you know, he's learned, he's grown from this.
- 49:44Speaker 2: But then he dedicates the streams to quote the Blacks
- 49:48Speaker 2: and the Mexicans, and I'm like, you were so close
- 49:51Speaker 2: to having me, But I don't. I don't know if
- 49:54Speaker 2: he's actually sincere or if he's just so ignorant to
- 49:58Speaker 2: I don't know what you think about his apology.
- 50:02Speaker 1: He is he is tone deaf, that's manifest. That's his
- 50:07Speaker 1: tone deaf manifest. And speaking of the apology thing, now,
- 50:11Speaker 1: I feel like the impact of the quote real apology
- 50:19Speaker 1: and then the very quick accidental backtrack that he does.
- 50:24Speaker 1: I feel like if they would have done that and
- 50:28Speaker 1: then revealed that he did an apology video, it would
- 50:32Speaker 1: have snapped a little bit harder instead of just being like, oh,
- 50:38Speaker 1: somebody wrote that, Like yeah, it like I understand it
- 50:43Speaker 1: was supposed to be funny, but it was. It was
- 50:45Speaker 1: more like like it wasn't even shocking. It was just like, oh,
- 50:49Speaker 1: that doesn't sit right.
- 50:50Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like, well, yeah, almost did it until you
- 50:54Speaker 2: dedicated it to two very specific groups of people, which
- 50:58Speaker 2: we don't really know the context exactly on the bum
- 51:01Speaker 2: fight that he did. I have no idea we don't
- 51:04Speaker 2: know the ethnicity of that person, so it just felt
- 51:06Speaker 2: so out of pocket to dedicate it to, you know,
- 51:09Speaker 2: quote the blacks, and yeah, not not black people in Mexican,
- 51:14Speaker 2: just the blacks, Like I don't that doesn't that doesn't
- 51:17Speaker 2: sit now.
- 51:19Speaker 1: No, And even as like a written joke that was
- 51:23Speaker 1: supposed to come off, I was like that, and I
- 51:26Speaker 1: get it, it's supposed to be tone deaf, but it
- 51:29Speaker 1: came across as like actually tone deaf right.
- 51:32Speaker 2: And I don't think that's the intention that they had
- 51:34Speaker 2: behind it, because that's just not the vibe I get
- 51:37Speaker 2: from them after, you know, watching special features and watching
- 51:40Speaker 2: them talk, they seem like very like level headed, down
- 51:42Speaker 2: to earth people. So I think it might have just
- 51:44Speaker 2: been an attempt to say something so out of pocket,
- 51:47Speaker 2: to be like to make people go, wow, okay, buddy.
- 51:50Speaker 2: But I was like, man, that's kind of it. That
- 51:52Speaker 2: was like the really the only thing to me that
- 51:54Speaker 2: just didn't fit within the movie. Everything else was pretty cohesive.
- 51:56Speaker 2: And then yeah, that lie it sticks out so much.
- 52:00Speaker 1: It's like south Park can make that joke because that
- 52:03Speaker 1: is the standard that south Park has set.
- 52:06Speaker 2: They're established.
- 52:07Speaker 1: This movie did not set us like there was nothing
- 52:12Speaker 1: that implied up to that point that he might have
- 52:16Speaker 1: been racist or done like actual racist things. Yeah, so
- 52:24Speaker 1: then that comes up and you're like, wait, have I
- 52:26Speaker 1: been laughing at like semi racist this entire time?
- 52:30Speaker 2: Right?
- 52:31Speaker 1: It kind of made me change how I thought about
- 52:34Speaker 1: the character as a whole for a little bit. And
- 52:36Speaker 1: then they kind of moved on from it, and I
- 52:38Speaker 1: was like, Okay, no, that was just a bad joke.
- 52:41Speaker 1: That was just a but that was just a poorly written,
- 52:43Speaker 1: poorly executed joke.
- 52:45Speaker 2: Yeah, That's kind of where I'm at with that. But yeah,
- 52:48Speaker 2: so other other than that small kind of weird thing,
- 52:51Speaker 2: I think, I think everything else is pretty cohesive and
- 52:54Speaker 2: and you know, it has your looking like look, sound
- 52:58Speaker 2: and imagery wise, it has your pretty average standard found
- 53:03Speaker 2: footed style, but you know it's all crystal clear. They're
- 53:06Speaker 2: all go pros, multiple cameras. I loved the iPad that
- 53:11Speaker 2: he can connect all his stuff to and the duct
- 53:15Speaker 2: tape just he would just ductave him to the wall.
- 53:17Speaker 2: That was a great bit. We already talked about the comments,
- 53:21Speaker 2: but there was one shot specifically I wanted to highlight,
- 53:25Speaker 2: which I found extremely impressive given the medium that they
- 53:29Speaker 2: were using and how the shot was actually done. So
- 53:33Speaker 2: when Sewn is trying to kind of sweep a sneak
- 53:37Speaker 2: by the hanging lady that he sees on his iPad,
- 53:40Speaker 2: he brings the iPad up and sees the hanging lady
- 53:44Speaker 2: there and then pulls the iPad down and she's gone. Obviously,
- 53:48Speaker 2: I'm sure there was some digital alteration with the iPad screen,
- 53:51Speaker 2: but watching that go up and down, I thought that
- 53:54Speaker 2: was an incredibly edited, like very well edited scene that
- 54:00Speaker 2: I didn't expect from a movie like this.
- 54:03Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no one. I feel like you just do
- 54:07Speaker 1: the scene twice, like exactly the same twice, one without Mildred,
- 54:13Speaker 1: one with Mildred, and every time the iPad goes up
- 54:18Speaker 1: is just when you cut them together.
- 54:20Speaker 2: Yeah, you can do like a like a blur cut
- 54:22Speaker 2: kind of thing.
- 54:23Speaker 1: So the one that I found super impressive because it
- 54:28Speaker 1: was so simple, and this is my favorite scare of
- 54:31Speaker 1: the entire movie Perfect It's it's at the point where
- 54:35Speaker 1: Sean is running around and he's like trying to antagonize Mildred, right,
- 54:40Speaker 1: and he's downstairs and he's like, Mildred, come out, Mildred,
- 54:46Speaker 1: where are you? And then you see this like hole
- 54:50Speaker 1: in the ceiling and just her feet are going up
- 54:53Speaker 1: and I'm like and I'm like eww. It was like
- 54:58Speaker 1: like it gave me the shills because I'm like, it's
- 55:02Speaker 1: not even her whole body. You just see her feet
- 55:04Speaker 1: raise and they're like and then they're gone, and then
- 55:07Speaker 1: she's not around for like the next two minutes. But
- 55:10Speaker 1: it's just like, oh, that's so spooky.
- 55:13Speaker 2: Yeah, I one hundred percent agree with you. I always forget.
- 55:16Speaker 2: I've seen this movie like three or four times, I think,
- 55:19Speaker 2: and I always always forget about that scare. And it's
- 55:23Speaker 2: so quick, it's I mean, it's kind of hard to miss,
- 55:26Speaker 2: but I mean if you look away for a second,
- 55:28Speaker 2: you'll miss it. But yeah, just legs going up every time,
- 55:32Speaker 2: the same reaction. I'm like, no, no, no, thank you
- 55:37Speaker 2: at this at all. It's a very uh easy not
- 55:42Speaker 2: easy scare. But it's like a very i don't know,
- 55:44Speaker 2: not like a cheap scare. It's just something that's so simple,
- 55:47Speaker 2: but it's so goddamn effective.
- 55:48Speaker 1: Because I also because like this, this did not seem
- 55:51Speaker 1: like it had a big crew of people. I want
- 55:54Speaker 1: to know, because like it looks like something from above
- 55:58Speaker 1: is pulling like a dumby up or something. It doesn't
- 56:02Speaker 1: look like it's just sig legs floating up into the
- 56:05Speaker 1: ceiling and disappearing. They did like, it looks like they're
- 56:08Speaker 1: pulling her through the floor. I want to know who
- 56:12Speaker 1: he enlisted and had, Like did they cut a hole
- 56:15Speaker 1: in this floor to be like, all right, we're gonna
- 56:17Speaker 1: pull you through this.
- 56:19Speaker 2: I can't give you every detail, but I know and
- 56:22Speaker 2: the some of the special features. They had some sort
- 56:25Speaker 2: of a pulley system for that where they hooked it
- 56:28Speaker 2: to the they hooked it to the rafters in the
- 56:31Speaker 2: roof and basically what they did is they had to
- 56:33Speaker 2: harness on her and they just pulled her up from
- 56:35Speaker 2: light like that, which is that's crazy, it's insane. So
- 56:39Speaker 2: there's some really good scares outside of the issue you
- 56:43Speaker 2: have with Mildred Osha, which I can understand. A lot
- 56:46Speaker 2: of the monsters though that are in there. I think
- 56:48Speaker 2: looked pretty practically great. The head explosion was fantastic. It
- 56:52Speaker 2: was goofy, it was gross, it got all over Sean.
- 56:56Speaker 2: I thought that was great and that it it.
- 56:59Speaker 1: Because of the color of what landed on his face.
- 57:02Speaker 1: Jessica like physically and audibly gagged multiple times.
- 57:07Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like a mayonnaise kind of yellowy. It
- 57:11Speaker 2: was not something I want anywhere near.
- 57:13Speaker 1: It was sick man Is.
- 57:14Speaker 2: It was like sick man Is. It was like, yeah,
- 57:16Speaker 2: that man is you need to throw out. And there's
- 57:19Speaker 2: a couple other fun additions to the story. You know,
- 57:22Speaker 2: a cop shows up at one point and then he
- 57:24Speaker 2: gets turned into I mean, I guess we're are we
- 57:27Speaker 2: demons at this point?
- 57:28Speaker 1: So we go okay, So here's what I want to know. Okay,
- 57:32Speaker 1: because both ghosts and demons in basically every movie I've
- 57:40Speaker 1: ever seen, they generally either stick with what they died
- 57:45Speaker 1: in or there's some kind of disgusto flesh monster, right
- 57:51Speaker 1: Allah Wreck and Quarantine, Like, yeah, they'll have on like underwear,
- 57:58Speaker 1: but it's like some disgusting old flesh monster. When did
- 58:03Speaker 1: demons and ghosts get the powers of costume change?
- 58:08Speaker 2: Yeah?
- 58:08Speaker 1: True, because like Chrissy shows up in modern clothing, like
- 58:14Speaker 1: looking like a twenty first century woman. Right, if this
- 58:18Speaker 1: ghost is trapped in this house, how does she know
- 58:23Speaker 1: what a twenty thirty something year old woman would wear?
- 58:28Speaker 1: Yeah that's where How does how does the sheriff know
- 58:31Speaker 1: what a modern sheriff's uniform looks. Yeah, that's where I'm
- 58:35Speaker 1: a little confused. I'm kind of like the lore about
- 58:39Speaker 1: it and what exactly these things are.
- 58:42Speaker 2: I know, he broke the thing and that's kind of
- 58:45Speaker 2: what started all of this, but yeah, I was a
- 58:48Speaker 2: little confused with some of it. I don't think that's
- 58:51Speaker 2: necessarily a fault on the writing itself, but it is
- 58:55Speaker 2: a question that I absolutely have, And if I ever
- 58:57Speaker 2: got a chance to talk to him, it would be something,
- 59:00Speaker 2: can you kind of just break down the ghosts versus
- 59:02Speaker 2: demons and kind of how they they they progressed?
- 59:06Speaker 1: Why do all the monsters stay looking like whatever time
- 59:12Speaker 1: period correct monster they are, but the two like sentient
- 59:16Speaker 1: ghosts can like actually trick you.
- 59:20Speaker 2: Yeah, it was interesting. So it kind of made me
- 59:23Speaker 2: wonder if it was demonic or ghostly, because I feel
- 59:27Speaker 2: like those things are kind of kind of like tangential,
- 59:30Speaker 2: but like also that I feel like they're wildly different.
- 59:32Speaker 2: I will say though, that cop for about five seconds,
- 59:35Speaker 2: I said, is that Sam Elliott?
- 59:37Speaker 1: Like well, And it's it's funny because we had just
- 59:41Speaker 1: finished watching an episode of season two of land Man
- 59:45Speaker 1: and Sam Elliott is like pretty prominent in this season
- 59:49Speaker 1: of land Man. So you know, we were both like, wait,
- 59:53Speaker 1: is that Sam Elliott? And I was like, no, no,
- 59:55Speaker 1: it does not sound like Sam Elliott at all.
- 59:57Speaker 2: Yeah, did they get Sam Elliott for this? The biggest
- 1:00:00Speaker 2: haeguay from this kind of combined with what I think
- 1:00:02Speaker 2: the core fear of the movie is, is like, you
- 1:00:04Speaker 2: really have to be careful about what you put on
- 1:00:06Speaker 2: the Internet, especially these days, just because people can take
- 1:00:10Speaker 2: it a whole bunch of different ways and it might
- 1:00:11Speaker 2: end up getting you canceled. But what the what the
- 1:00:14Speaker 2: fear in this movie is besides ghosts and demons, is
- 1:00:18Speaker 2: I feel like this movie is a comment like a
- 1:00:20Speaker 2: commentary on the fear of not being liked by the
- 1:00:23Speaker 2: general population, because that is a fear that a lot
- 1:00:26Speaker 2: of content creators have, Like you put yourself out there,
- 1:00:29Speaker 2: people don't like you. I feel like that's a form
- 1:00:31Speaker 2: of rejection. So for me, this this kind of fear
- 1:00:34Speaker 2: of rejection by people you don't know, just seems to
- 1:00:37Speaker 2: hurt that. That's kind of my take on it. Because
- 1:00:39Speaker 2: he's trying to regain his momentum, his popularity by doing
- 1:00:44Speaker 2: this thing again because he was rejected, and I'm sure
- 1:00:47Speaker 2: that does not feel good to be rejected by your viewers,
- 1:00:51Speaker 2: you know what I mean?
- 1:00:52Speaker 1: And see I get. My takeaway would be like, it's
- 1:00:57Speaker 1: it's more of a don't compromise yourself for money that
- 1:01:01Speaker 1: too type of situation, Like it's it's more of an
- 1:01:04Speaker 1: anti internet capitalist, like all these people doing all this
- 1:01:09Speaker 1: stuff that they would never do if it wasn't for
- 1:01:11Speaker 1: a camera and money being given to them. Like a
- 1:01:15Speaker 1: general person is not going to go out and fight
- 1:01:17Speaker 1: a homeless man just because they think it's funny. But
- 1:01:19Speaker 1: if you have a camera and like every click you get,
- 1:01:22Speaker 1: you get you know, a dollar, Yeah, I'll fight a
- 1:01:26Speaker 1: homeless man for a million dollars. Yeah, why not?
- 1:01:29Speaker 2: That kind of can go hand in hand with mine
- 1:01:32Speaker 2: because it's like if you don't do this thing, oh
- 1:01:35Speaker 2: we'll just unsubscribe or whatever. It's like the internet can
- 1:01:37Speaker 2: egg you on to do things that you wouldn't necessarily
- 1:01:39Speaker 2: have done had you not had the following. So it's
- 1:01:42Speaker 2: a I think it's a commentary on just social media
- 1:01:44Speaker 2: in general than YouTubers and stuff like that. But I
- 1:01:47Speaker 2: that was kind of my takeaway. I did want to
- 1:01:50Speaker 2: mention the ending real quick, just because it was strange.
- 1:01:55Speaker 2: I do feel it totally tracks with what was set up,
- 1:01:59Speaker 2: but it is kind of an abrupt ending. It just
- 1:02:02Speaker 2: kind of stops, you know, he goes to exit the door.
- 1:02:04Speaker 2: There's a monster there. End of live stream. I don't
- 1:02:08Speaker 2: know if you know, you know, and like the found
- 1:02:11Speaker 2: the shirt he was holding up about, you know, oh,
- 1:02:14Speaker 2: this is the footage we got and he's gone missing.
- 1:02:17Speaker 2: It's kind of like foreshadowing. But I don't know. I
- 1:02:20Speaker 2: it makes sense because it was a live stream and
- 1:02:22Speaker 2: if he got attacked it could have ended. But I
- 1:02:24Speaker 2: don't know. I want to know your thoughts on how
- 1:02:27Speaker 2: the abrupt ending hit you.
- 1:02:30Speaker 1: I mean, it made sense, it did slightly feel like, Okay,
- 1:02:36Speaker 1: I'm out of ideas right right, especially with how they like,
- 1:02:43Speaker 1: you know, they he binds the spirits to himself and
- 1:02:48Speaker 1: it turns out like that's what kept Mildred there and
- 1:02:53Speaker 1: now like he's the tortured soul of the house, right, Like,
- 1:02:58Speaker 1: I feel like they could have spanned it on that
- 1:03:01Speaker 1: a little bit for like two more minutes, yeah, and
- 1:03:05Speaker 1: then and then kind of wrapped it up and it
- 1:03:07Speaker 1: would have it would have still made perfect sense. But
- 1:03:11Speaker 1: I do feel that the way it ended, it just
- 1:03:13Speaker 1: kind of cut it. It makes sense, right, if nothing
- 1:03:18Speaker 1: else it makes sense otherwise, like they just would have
- 1:03:23Speaker 1: just had to have kept going, and you know, maybe
- 1:03:27Speaker 1: he gets out and goes home and goes, well that's
- 1:03:29Speaker 1: it everybody, right, but up up and up up, Like yeah,
- 1:03:35Speaker 1: it can really only kind of end with the live
- 1:03:39Speaker 1: stream just getting cut and you know, maybe he's fully dead,
- 1:03:43Speaker 1: maybe he's not, and he got away and he just
- 1:03:45Speaker 1: went Yeah, it's a for me, no more. I'm fucking done,
- 1:03:48Speaker 1: Like I don't need to pick up a camera anymore.
- 1:03:52Speaker 1: It's not totally ambiguous, but it's like just ambiguous enough,
- 1:03:58Speaker 1: just enough.
- 1:03:59Speaker 2: That's that's where I'm at it. It leaves it open
- 1:04:01Speaker 2: to the possibility that yeah, he's probably dead, but it
- 1:04:05Speaker 2: just cuts. We don't see what happens afterwards. So I
- 1:04:08Speaker 2: think it fits. I think it makes sense, it works,
- 1:04:10Speaker 2: But part of me just wanted some sort of just
- 1:04:14Speaker 2: different variation on it. That's all I have. I don't
- 1:04:18Speaker 2: know if you wanted to hit anything else here kind
- 1:04:21Speaker 2: of wrapping up, but uh.
- 1:04:23Speaker 1: One of my biggest issues involves the chat and how
- 1:04:30Speaker 1: people are like chiming in and everything. Everybody's like, oh
- 1:04:34Speaker 1: this Hamza, this thing, like it's a spell to ward
- 1:04:38Speaker 1: off evil and blah blah blah blah blah. But then
- 1:04:41Speaker 1: nobody mentions that this man proves the existence of hell
- 1:04:47Speaker 1: by sending Mildred down through it a literal drag me
- 1:04:52Speaker 1: to Hell. Fiery pit on the train tracks opens up
- 1:04:55Speaker 1: and drags this woman down and then burps her out,
- 1:05:01Speaker 1: and nobody says anything about it, like we have now
- 1:05:05Speaker 1: proved ghost, demons and hell are real. Nothing.
- 1:05:10Speaker 2: Yeah, that's I mean, it makes me wonder if people
- 1:05:15Speaker 2: were skeptical about what was actually going on, if this
- 1:05:18Speaker 2: was all set up, because that's kind of another I
- 1:05:21Speaker 2: don't know about headcan but another theory that I have.
- 1:05:24Speaker 2: As as much as I want to believe this was all real,
- 1:05:26Speaker 2: this could have entirely been unput on by him that
- 1:05:29Speaker 2: he did. And you know, I don't know, there's there,
- 1:05:32Speaker 2: there's there's.
- 1:05:33Speaker 1: A sea, and I don't think his character is smart
- 1:05:35Speaker 1: enough for that.
- 1:05:36Speaker 2: I don't think so either. But we also touched on
- 1:05:38Speaker 2: the fact that he is We feel like he's a
- 1:05:40Speaker 2: marketing genius and this would be the ultimate marketing scheme
- 1:05:44Speaker 2: to because he had like three point two million views
- 1:05:48Speaker 2: at one point. I don't know, it's it's very loose,
- 1:05:50Speaker 2: and I doubt I don't think that's what's going on.
- 1:05:52Speaker 2: It just kind of came to me at the end
- 1:05:54Speaker 2: of this watch. I was like, it's what if he
- 1:05:56Speaker 2: just made all of this shit up that that would
- 1:05:58Speaker 2: be pretty cool, uh, because it's hard to deny that
- 1:06:00Speaker 2: he really didn't kill someone with a potato gun. That
- 1:06:03Speaker 2: was a fucking That was a really cool kill, the
- 1:06:05Speaker 2: potato going.
- 1:06:07Speaker 1: It was a fun kill.
- 1:06:08Speaker 2: It was a great kill. Unless you have anything else,
- 1:06:12Speaker 2: I'll give my review I would have written if I
- 1:06:14Speaker 2: didn't shamelessly plug my own show on letterbox, Nope, I'm good,
- 1:06:18Speaker 2: all right, So you know, obviously this would have been
- 1:06:21Speaker 2: if he survived the experience that we don't know of,
- 1:06:23Speaker 2: but my review would be I don't know about you,
- 1:06:25Speaker 2: but I would get tested for literally everything after this
- 1:06:28Speaker 2: experience because so many fluids have been on this. Man.
- 1:06:33Speaker 1: Yeah, you're getting you're getting old timey diseases from that house.
- 1:06:37Speaker 2: You're getting like typhus, fucking polio or some shit like goddamn.
- 1:06:42Speaker 2: I don't know if that's old enough, but that's the
- 1:06:45Speaker 2: only thing I could think of. So that is dead
- 1:06:48Speaker 2: Stream from twenty twenty two let's move on to the
- 1:06:51Speaker 2: final cut. Boo yeah uh taglines. I do enjoy this.
- 1:06:57Speaker 2: There is only one, but I think it works. It's
- 1:07:00Speaker 2: he's dying for followers. I think that works on a
- 1:07:03Speaker 2: couple levels because he probably literally died, and also he
- 1:07:07Speaker 2: just wants his followers back. Not a lot of trivia,
- 1:07:11Speaker 2: but there is there's some good stuff here. The top
- 1:07:15Speaker 2: of the spirit board has clatt to veriton nikto written
- 1:07:18Speaker 2: on top. Though originating in nineteen fifty one's The Day
- 1:07:22Speaker 2: of the Year is still it was later made popular,
- 1:07:25Speaker 2: of course, by the Evil Dead franchise. All the gore
- 1:07:28Speaker 2: and monster effects were done practically. The bulk of the
- 1:07:31Speaker 2: film was shot in seven days, and this is really funny.
- 1:07:36Speaker 2: The scene where Sean decrees a photoshop hack job was
- 1:07:38Speaker 2: particularly the troublesome to shoot. It took countless wasted takes
- 1:07:42Speaker 2: before the crew realize the go pros voice commands were
- 1:07:46Speaker 2: on and it would hear photo shop as go pro
- 1:07:49Speaker 2: stop like that's great. Also, this is under a plot
- 1:07:54Speaker 2: hole heading in IMDb, and this is fucking just so stupid.
- 1:07:59Speaker 2: Sean states the house has been unoccupied and boarded up
- 1:08:02Speaker 2: since the nineteen fifties, yet the door knobs, and several
- 1:08:05Speaker 2: of the furnishings, especially the toilet, are clearly from the
- 1:08:08Speaker 2: modern age and are not from seventy years ago. That
- 1:08:12Speaker 2: is not a plot hole.
- 1:08:13Speaker 1: I love a petty goose. That's the pettiest so far.
- 1:08:18Speaker 2: It's I think that might be the pettiest one. And
- 1:08:19Speaker 2: I also need people to realize because in this day
- 1:08:22Speaker 2: and age, I don't think people are aware of what
- 1:08:25Speaker 2: an actual plot hole is. It's not that. It is
- 1:08:30Speaker 2: not that. So if you want me to go into
- 1:08:33Speaker 2: this more, I'll talk about it later, leave a comment.
- 1:08:36Speaker 2: So this has a rating of six point four out
- 1:08:38Speaker 2: of ten on IMDb for our purposes, on the Nightmare Index,
- 1:08:43Speaker 2: that makes it a three point two out of five.
- 1:08:47Speaker 2: Letterbox has a three point three out of five, and
- 1:08:51Speaker 2: it has a ninety two percent on the Tomato Meter
- 1:08:54Speaker 2: with a seventy five percent audience score, which is pretty
- 1:08:57Speaker 2: fucking good. If you ask me, what did you give this, Corey,
- 1:09:02Speaker 2: I gave it a four. You gave it a four, Oh, Kidoki,
- 1:09:05Speaker 2: I also gave it a four. So that is this
- 1:09:07Speaker 2: year's first fright mare certified slap and that puts us
- 1:09:12Speaker 2: at a Nightmare Index of three point six y three,
- 1:09:17Speaker 2: so that is actually tied for the Haunting, I believe.
- 1:09:21Speaker 2: I don't know how when we have a tie for movies.
- 1:09:24Speaker 2: I don't know what exactly I'm gonna do yet. It
- 1:09:26Speaker 2: might be alphabetical, it might just be how I'm feeling.
- 1:09:30Speaker 2: I think dead Stream is a stronger movie in my opinion,
- 1:09:32Speaker 2: so it might go above the Haunting, but they are tied.
- 1:09:36Speaker 2: Similar movies according to IMDb, we have host from twenty
- 1:09:39Speaker 2: twenty of course, hell House LLC origins Hell House LLC
- 1:09:45Speaker 2: VHS Halloween, and one of the most criminally underrated found
- 1:09:49Speaker 2: footage movies of all time, Butterfly Kisses. We need to
- 1:09:52Speaker 2: do that at some point because that movie is so good.
- 1:09:55Speaker 2: And then similar movies. According to Letterbox, we have Drag
- 1:09:58Speaker 2: Me to Hell It Chapter two, Insidious Paranormal Activity, and
- 1:10:02Speaker 2: Insidious Chapter two very strange. Let's do some funny reviews
- 1:10:07Speaker 2: before we get the hell out of here. I've got
- 1:10:09Speaker 2: my standard five.
- 1:10:11Speaker 1: I've got five, with one of them being a special
- 1:10:15Speaker 1: guest star.
- 1:10:16Speaker 2: Oh special guest star review. Okay, so go ahead, you
- 1:10:20Speaker 2: want to go first, Go ahead, go ahead, all right.
- 1:10:23Speaker 1: My first review is a half star from Zoe Fucking
- 1:10:29Speaker 1: butt Ass I'm actually mad as fuck butt ass.
- 1:10:33Speaker 2: Okay, those are two of the same. Okay, yep, yep. Oh,
- 1:10:37Speaker 2: let's see five stars from Mask Devin emoji out of
- 1:10:45Speaker 2: fucking too many emojis live action encourage the cowardly dog,
- 1:10:49Speaker 2: and that is right on the nose.
- 1:10:51Speaker 1: I get that's pretty close. A half star review from
- 1:10:57Speaker 1: Maya Grimly. I really felt that when he covered himself
- 1:11:01Speaker 1: with the blanket in the closet.
- 1:11:05Speaker 2: Didn't we all? Let's see here three stars from Piping
- 1:11:11Speaker 2: Sky lmfao that ghost gave him the world's first paranormal vasectomy.
- 1:11:19Speaker 1: A five star and a heart from Carbu Nara quote, Oh,
- 1:11:25Speaker 1: Chrissy is mildred unquote, we know genius.
- 1:11:31Speaker 2: Four stars from Meg Shields. This entire film is based
- 1:11:35Speaker 2: around the pun demonetize demon in capital in capitals, and
- 1:11:39Speaker 2: I respect the hell out of that.
- 1:11:44Speaker 1: This one's hilarious because I have commentary on it.
- 1:11:49Speaker 2: Oh.
- 1:11:50Speaker 1: A five star and a heart from Vickas. I wish
- 1:11:54Speaker 1: I can rewatch this movie for the fourth time. Well,
- 1:11:56Speaker 1: Vickas I have. It's on the internet. You can rewatch
- 1:12:00Speaker 1: it again. You can rewatch it to your hearts can tell.
- 1:12:04Speaker 2: Three stars from The Fresh Beef and the Oscar for
- 1:12:09Speaker 2: Best Supporting Actor goes to duct tape clap clap clap emoji.
- 1:12:13Speaker 2: That is a great double meaning there because it was
- 1:12:16Speaker 2: supporting all of his cameras. Uh, I think the one,
- 1:12:20Speaker 2: I think you're I think I'm gonna have one years.
- 1:12:23Speaker 2: So I'm gonna let you read your last two because
- 1:12:24Speaker 2: I think we might have one of them.
- 1:12:25Speaker 1: This is my last one.
- 1:12:26Speaker 2: Oh okay, okay, what you got?
- 1:12:28Speaker 1: My last one? A special guest appearance from Eric Cloud,
- 1:12:32Speaker 1: our boy who has been a feature of this since
- 1:12:37Speaker 1: we started doing these reviews. Yep, a three and a
- 1:12:42Speaker 1: half star and a heart a found footager with its
- 1:12:46Speaker 1: heart more an Evil Dead two than Blair Witch. A
- 1:12:49Speaker 1: real goddamn joy.
- 1:12:50Speaker 2: Al Right, I love it. I love hearing A glowing
- 1:12:54Speaker 2: review from our boy Eric Cloud. Uh so mine is
- 1:12:58Speaker 2: a special guest in a different sense, three and a
- 1:13:01Speaker 2: half stars from Alibug. I'm user Rancid Pooh. In the
- 1:13:04Speaker 2: live stream chat, apparently this person was, yeah, that's cool, Lario,
- 1:13:09Speaker 2: that's pretty cool. So that's gonna do it. There we go.
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