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Problem Child w/ Jen Ives · Everyone's A Critic

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  SPEAKER_00: Welcome to everyone to Critic, a show where I get to fix the movie rated for like 40% on what it's the market that tells us why critics got it wrong.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm your host, Yannis Co.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm only protected to take it later, it's the era of his way.
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  SPEAKER_01: Hello Yannis.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh how are you doing?
• 1:38
  SPEAKER_01: It's great to be here.
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  SPEAKER_00: How are you doing?
• 1:40
  SPEAKER_01: A pleasure to be back.
• 1:42
  SPEAKER_00: To be back.
• 1:43
  SPEAKER_00: Well, uh yeah, so we we we tried to record at one point and then we had some stuff that uh we had to stop for and then it's been how long now?
• 1:52
  SPEAKER_00: I don't even know.
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_01: You just showed me it's been several films ago, you said.
• 1:57
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah, it's been several films.
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  SPEAKER_00: I just don't know how long it's been.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_00: Time is not real anymore.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it isn't.
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  SPEAKER_01: I would say it's been uh twelve months.
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  SPEAKER_00: Twelve months.
• 2:08
  SPEAKER_00: Uh not quite that long, probably.
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  SPEAKER_01: What are months?
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't even know anymore.
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  SPEAKER_00: In the meantime, I've seen you a lot since then.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's nice, isn't it?
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  SPEAKER_01: We've bumped into each other a few times.
• 2:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Usually you're giving me free drinks, which I am not opposed to.
• 2:25
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, yeah, you you are allowed them.
• 2:27
  SPEAKER_01: I know, I know.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm not saying just uh a message out there for his employers.
• 2:33
  SPEAKER_01: Um he's not being bad.
• 2:35
  SPEAKER_01: I was allowed them.
• 2:36
  SPEAKER_01: They said, everyone said.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's been when Jen has been performing, not when I I'm not just handing Jen free drinks every time she walks in.
• 2:44
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
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  SPEAKER_00: Which I wouldn't be opposed to either, but but yeah, so you're doing you're doing okay today.
• 2:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah?
• 2:50
  SPEAKER_01: I'm doing okay today.
• 2:52
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I have had some very small pieces of bread and butter.
• 2:58
  SPEAKER_00: Oh.
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  SPEAKER_00: I thought you were gonna say pieces of information.
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  SPEAKER_01: No, no, no.
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  SPEAKER_01: I just I I had a like a I had a kind of breakfast that you'd have in like a Dickensian novel.
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_01: Like it was like three little pieces of uh French bread with butter on it.
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  SPEAKER_01: But that's what I felt like.
• 3:17
  SPEAKER_01: That's what that's what my body was telling me.
• 3:19
  SPEAKER_01: Have that.
• 3:20
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I hope you're gonna eat lunch after this, because it's it's I am.
• 3:23
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna have something.
• 3:24
  SPEAKER_01: I haven't got anything.
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  SPEAKER_01: The main thing I'm thinking about today is going out to Tesco Express and buying some veggie sausages and making a I might make a toad in the hole.
• 3:38
  SPEAKER_00: Ooh.
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  SPEAKER_01: You ever had one of those?
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  SPEAKER_00: I have.
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  SPEAKER_01: I've never had a veggie one though.
• 3:43
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I mean, Richmond veggie sausages have changed the game.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if you've heard of that.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they I didn't know about the Richmond ones.
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  SPEAKER_00: My my whole family is is like vegan and vegetarian except for me.
• 3:53
  SPEAKER_00: Oh right, okay.
• 3:54
  SPEAKER_01: Well you've got to do something to upset them, haven't you?
• 3:56
  SPEAKER_01: You go No, they're really good.
• 3:58
  SPEAKER_01: Like there have been there have been competitors in the past.
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  SPEAKER_01: There was, you know, Linda McCartney's weren't bad, the corn ones are okay, um the the cauldron ones were pretty good, but these ones, these Richmond ones, they taste exactly like Richmond sausages, which is like not the nicest sausages in the world, but they taste like them.
• 4:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: It tastes real.
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  SPEAKER_01: So much so that my dad, I was just talking to my dad on the phone, who himself is like uh he's like you, he consumes the flesh of the dead.
• 4:32
  SPEAKER_01: And uh he he was like, he was like, I love Richmond sausages.
• 4:35
  SPEAKER_01: He was like, I he was like I might just only eat them from now on.
• 4:38
  SPEAKER_01: He won't, but he said the sentiment was there, you know.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean that's nice.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's he's nicely saying that for you.
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  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 4:45
  SPEAKER_01: How how's your day been?
• 4:47
  SPEAKER_00: Uh not well, I haven't really done anything.
• 4:51
  SPEAKER_00: I I had my we had a a two-year anniversary of our improv show last night.
• 4:56
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, cool.
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  SPEAKER_00: So that was just a lot to do, and then I ended up getting back like very, very late and just sleeping.
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  SPEAKER_01: I love that.
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  SPEAKER_01: You celebrate like an anniversary for your improv show.
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  SPEAKER_01: I love that.
• 5:08
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna start celebrating.
• 5:10
  SPEAKER_00: It's two years of our team being a thing.
• 5:12
  SPEAKER_00: So it's nice.
• 5:13
  SPEAKER_01: It's the problem with stand up, though, isn't it?
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_01: Like you're on your own and it's like Yeah, I guess that's different.
• 5:17
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I bought I'll tell you what I did buy yesterday.
• 5:20
  SPEAKER_01: I bought two packs of balloons just because it's not my birthday.
• 5:24
  SPEAKER_01: I just thought I'm gonna blow up 20 balloons.
• 5:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I like that you bought two packs of them.
• 5:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, 20.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then I'm probably gonna just like let me.
• 5:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I blew up one.
• 5:38
  SPEAKER_02: Just a test.
• 5:39
  SPEAKER_02: You gotta do a test.
• 5:40
  SPEAKER_01: You gotta make sure you've still got the lung capacity.
• 5:43
  SPEAKER_01: Um but congratulations on your two-year anniversary.
• 5:47
  SPEAKER_01: What did you do to celebrate?
• 5:49
  SPEAKER_00: We uh so we had a show and it was an outdoor show, so it was like it was quite different.
• 5:54
  SPEAKER_00: Um, because we usually we're used to being inside, but like we had an outdoor show at this, like called the Lady Garden, this place in Poland.
• 6:02
  SPEAKER_01: Oh wow, that's a good name.
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  SPEAKER_01: I like that.
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  SPEAKER_00: But it was just like this venue where they put on plays and stuff, but they they let us have the venue to put on an improv show, and then we just like it was really fun.
• 6:11
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, that's it.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was very strange because it was all like it was all like actory stuff around in the in the like courtyard and everything.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was like so.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's like a giant moon.
• 6:22
  SPEAKER_01: It's very weird.
• 6:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I won't perform anywhere unless there's a giant moon, to be honest with you.
• 6:27
  SPEAKER_01: I have a gig coming up that sounds like I have a gig uh like I'm doing my preview at the Battersea Arts Centre, but like not in but not inside it.
• 6:35
  SPEAKER_01: Like there's like a court.
• 6:37
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah, which is it's gonna I'm gonna feel like I'm at the globe, I think.
• 6:41
  SPEAKER_01: Because people can like build like it was really strange.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's cool though, makes makes you feel legit, especially as a stand-up.
• 6:48
  SPEAKER_01: It's like so often you just you just feel like a person on a stage talking, but now it's like no, I need this green room, you know.
• 6:55
  SPEAKER_01: I'm I'm I'm dressing up as a horse back here or something, like an actor.
• 6:59
  SPEAKER_01: Like that's that's what they do, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: They dress up as horses.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, anyway.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um it was weird though, because the weird thing was we had to like really project, and because we didn't have microphones or anything, so it was just like projecting to like the back of the garden place wherever it was or whatever, but like we weren't used to doing that, so like half the people were getting up there and being like really quiet, and then half of them were really loud, and like it's right, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Playing to the back.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, because we also had a jam with like people who could join in if they wanted to at the end, uh, just from the audience, and they were like they had no idea they had to project, so they were just like very quiet.
• 7:33
  SPEAKER_01: An improv jam, is that what it's called when you get the audience involved?
• 7:36
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, okay.
• 7:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 7:37
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not really like I um I'm not really like a big uh I don't have a lot of I don't have a lot of knowledge about improv.
• 7:45
  SPEAKER_01: I know I know about it.
• 7:47
  SPEAKER_01: You used to live with an improviser.
• 7:49
  SPEAKER_01: I did.
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  SPEAKER_01: I did, but and I and I started reading the UCB book that they um that they had.
• 7:55
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, did you borrow it off?
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, I borrowed it.
• 7:58
  SPEAKER_01: Um I didn't I didn't get very far into it, but the thing is I feel like it's one of those things that you can't really read it, you know, you have to do it.
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_01: I've done it, I've tried it a couple of times just because I've done a few like quirky gigs where it was like a part of it.
• 8:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah But um Yeah, it's funny because like I did like a clowning course and I really loved that.
• 8:15
  SPEAKER_01: Well not a course, like a work, like not a course.
• 8:19
  SPEAKER_01: It's not like I didn't get a diploma or anything, but like you went you went to France and did the the I didn't do um no, I didn't do that little beady-eyed weirdos course.
• 8:31
  SPEAKER_01: I did uh I'm glad you said that because I found I find him very weird.
• 8:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he's a fucking little gross nightmare.
• 8:37
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I've never met him, but uh just bad vibes.
• 8:41
  SPEAKER_01: No, it was a nice, a nice um clown taunt me.
• 8:45
  SPEAKER_01: But the thing is, like that was great because it was like putting me outside of my comfort zone, blah blah blah.
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_01: And um but I feel like I still took I took more I took more easily to trying to make people laugh by saying nothing.
• 9:02
  SPEAKER_01: Not that it was a miming course, you are allowed to speak, but like but improv I found in the very small amount of times I've done it, I just find it really difficult because I I struggle to like just accept that new world, you know.
• 9:16
  SPEAKER_00: I always find that very funny with stand-ups when they say that because like you you do crowd work, yeah.
• 9:22
  SPEAKER_00: And so you're you're make literally making stuff up there.
• 9:25
  SPEAKER_01: That's true, but I'll tell you what it is, right?
• 9:26
  SPEAKER_01: Both clowning and stand-up, you're not required to be like necessarily really positive.
• 9:34
  SPEAKER_01: Whereas in improv, I feel like it's like a almost like a I mean it isn't, but it kind of is.
• 9:40
  SPEAKER_01: It's like a fundamentally like American kind of thing, and like a lot of the a lot of the ways that people teach it are like very American styles and it's very positive.
• 9:49
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, come on guys, let's do this, you know.
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_01: Uh uh, um uh like oh what would it be if uh what would it be like if like Morgan Freeman was like in a three-way uh um at Starbucks with uh Christopher Walken and uh Jim Carrey, like I think it might go a little something like this.
• 10:10
  SPEAKER_01: Um that's what we always do.
• 10:12
  SPEAKER_00: We always like announce what we're gonna do before we start it.
• 10:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 10:15
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_00: And then someone taps you on the shoulder and goes, I'm in.
• 10:19
  SPEAKER_00: They go, they go.
• 10:21
  SPEAKER_00: Jen, have you ever seen an improv show before?
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_01: No, I have.
• 10:25
  SPEAKER_01: I have.
• 10:25
  SPEAKER_01: I I I think you know, it's a cliche, but people say that like when improv's being done well, it's like incredible, it feels like a magic trick.
• 10:33
  SPEAKER_01: And when it's uh not being done well, it's like you want to kill yourself.
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_01: But I love I love improv as as like I tell you what I love improv in more so is like uh acting.
• 10:44
  SPEAKER_01: Like some of my favourite films and directors and stuff use improvisation and stuff, and I just and and also with comedy, like you know, Christopher Gueston all that kind of stuff, I think it's Oh, it's so good when they do that.
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's like it really works in some mediums and stuff, right?
• 11:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_01: But I'm not an expert and I haven't seen a lot of improv live, and I'm sure it's very, very good.
• 11:08
  SPEAKER_00: Well, we we were amazing and we're getting uh awards for this show last night.
• 11:13
  SPEAKER_01: Nice.
• 11:14
  SPEAKER_01: Sick.
• 11:15
  SPEAKER_00: Are you really?
• 11:16
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 11:16
  SPEAKER_00: Oh.
• 11:16
  SPEAKER_01: I wouldn't have been sick.
• 11:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we're getting an award for immediately from last night.
• 11:19
  SPEAKER_00: We're getting just decided we're getting an award.
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_00: You got the you got the Lady Garden Award.
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we got the Lady Garden.
• 11:25
  SPEAKER_00: We're getting we're taking home the moon.
• 11:27
  SPEAKER_00: Oh nice.
• 11:28
  SPEAKER_00: That's what we all want.
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but yeah, so okay, let's let's talk about what you actually came on here to talk about, which is the movie Problem Child.
• 11:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 11:40
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm also open to talk about Problem Child 2 and Problem Child 3 Junior in Love if that's something that you want.
• 11:46
  SPEAKER_01: You're welcome to.
• 11:46
  SPEAKER_00: I just can't offer any feedback on it myself because I haven't seen them.
• 11:50
  SPEAKER_01: Sure, I'll I'll get you up to speed on what they're about, but um let's talk about Problem Child 1 for a bit first, I guess.
• 11:57
  SPEAKER_01: Easy and glimm.
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, okay.
• 11:59
  SPEAKER_00: So let me I'll get I'll start with the premise, which is it's a child that gets passed around from person to person.
• 12:06
  SPEAKER_00: Like he's he's given up as a as a newborn, and he's getting passed around from place to place because he's like adopted.
• 12:14
  SPEAKER_00: For adoption.
• 12:15
  SPEAKER_00: Like I should like that sounded really dodgy what you just said.
• 12:19
  SPEAKER_01: It's about this child, he just gets passed around and passed around because he's a naughty kid.
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_00: Um but yeah, he's like um for adoption, but like is he getting adopted by all of these people?
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_00: Like sometimes it's uh 30 different people, isn't it?
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_01: They say 30.
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_01: 30 different families that he gets rejected from.
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like the the premise of it is is that he's like he's a child, right?
• 12:44
  SPEAKER_01: But he's like a real problem.
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_01: Like he's like, but he's a problem.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_01: He's a problematic child, and he's just he's just a little shit, you know.
• 12:51
  SPEAKER_01: Like, and they keep giving him away, but like like they keep giving him up uh for adoption, but then like every family that he goes to, they're like, I can't handle this crazy kid, so they get sent back.
• 13:04
  SPEAKER_01: The thing is you can do that, like like if if if a if a kid isn't matching with the family, like it's in both people's best interests for them not to adopt.
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_01: But uh I think 30 times.
• 13:18
  SPEAKER_01: I think if you if you had got to 30 times, that kid probably just like would become a a ward of the state owed a fool, like officially.
• 13:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but we're not but we're not here for realism, I guess.
• 13:29
  SPEAKER_00: No, this is not a realistic movie in any sense.
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_01: No, um I can't remember I can't remember what was so bad about him from a really young age, though.
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_01: I can't remember what he does.
• 13:38
  SPEAKER_01: Does he like he just does he like pisses on oh yeah, but I can't handle that.
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_01: If I if I adopted a a small baby and it pissed, I would straight back to the orphanage.
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_01: It's not like they do that anyway.
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_01: No, you can't.
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_00: I want a baby that doesn't piss, please.
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 13:57
  SPEAKER_00: Um but I do want to point out, okay, when you first when we first recorded this, this was the only movie on the list that had 0%.
• 14:07
  SPEAKER_00: You've now you're now the second movie.
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_01: Ah, but I still is still can I still should be the first, technically, because technically you're the first, yeah.
• 14:14
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah.
• 14:15
  SPEAKER_01: You're the first to choose it.
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_01: What was the other one?
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_00: Manos The Hands of Fate.
• 14:19
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, okay.
• 14:20
  SPEAKER_00: I have heard of that actually.
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_00: It's really bad.
• 14:23
  SPEAKER_00: It's worse than this.
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_00: Is it really?
• 14:25
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 14:25
  SPEAKER_01: See, wait, it's worth this at least this has structure.
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_01: It has structure, and also, I mean, I still maintain that that score is like it's not fair.
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_01: You know, like these edgelords on Rotten Tomatoes, like they think that's so Yeah, the edgelord critics.
• 14:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_01: But this film, it's not bad.
• 14:43
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's like I do understand that part of it.
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_01: No, no, no, it's good.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_01: I understand that some of my love for it comes from nostalgia.
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_01: I understand that, but also I do think objectively it's not badly made.
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_01: It's got a it's got good actors in it, some of them.
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_01: It's got funny comedic actors from the time.
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_00: It has, but they're not good in it.
• 15:03
  SPEAKER_01: I yeah, they're not, but it's it's one of those movies that like it could have, it could have been worse.
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_01: Like, there's enough like quirky, weird stuff going on in it.
• 15:13
  SPEAKER_01: Like the director obviously has a no, they have like an artistic style, a vision that I can imagine them.
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know what they went on to do, but I could imagine that they would improve and get better.
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_01: It's not like what I'm saying is it's not a movie that is like devoid of hope.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_01: It's not like so bad that like like if I you know it's not a movie that it's not like Michael Bay's Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles or whatever, where you watch it and you're like, this isn't I this is not this is nothing.
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_00: This is nothing to this.
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_01: There's nothing here.
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_01: But like, like soulless.
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_01: This film isn't soulless, it's just it's got a soul, it's just a very like damaged soul, but it's got one.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_00: I will say, 42% from uh people, like just general people on there.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_00: That's that's just me.
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_00: That's just me.
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_00: I'm trying to get the numbers up.
• 16:01
  SPEAKER_00: Well, 50,000 plus ratings.
• 16:03
  SPEAKER_00: No, no, they're they're all me.
• 16:04
  SPEAKER_00: They're all you, yeah.
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_00: I've got soccer counts.
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_00: Um Well, you are committed to to plugging this movie, but just enough to it's just just above acceptable.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_01: Also, you know, I was adopted myself, um, so maybe that's why I like it.
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_01: I've always thought of myself as a little bit of a problem child, you know.
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_01: Can relate to junior.
• 16:29
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah, his name is Junior as well, isn't it?
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_01: It's always weird when people call someone junior, isn't it?
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_01: I find that strange.
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_01: It's like you do know that kids get older, don't you?
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_01: Like you do know that.
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_01: You can't be junior forever.
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I don't know any juniors in real life though.
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_01: I only know them through like American movies.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_01: I don't actually, and sometimes it's like a nickname, isn't it?
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I don't know.
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_00: Oh no, wait, that's not true.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_00: I do know a junior.
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_00: Do you?
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_00: I I feel really bad now that's my cousin's uh my cousin's husband's called.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_01: Is that their actual name though?
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know, actually.
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_01: That's the thing.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_01: You you have to check.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_01: That's a good point.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know that.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_01: Because usually, because also, actually, it can't like usually it can't be, because the thing it well sometimes it is, but that's weird because if your name is Junior, like is if your name is actually Junior, that means there is a senior, right?
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_01: Because that's the point of junior.
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_01: No, but that's the point of it, right?
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_01: So it's like say so say like the dad is called like uh Daniel, and then they have a kid, a little boy, and they're like, oh, Daniel Junior, and then they might go by junior, but then if the kid is literally called junior, that means the dad is called junior, so it's junior junior.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_01: You just get into this whole mess of like this Russian doll of like juniors with no seniors on the scene, you know?
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_00: It's like uh George Foreman, where he named every one of his kids George.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_00: No, he didn't.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_00: He did, yeah.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_00: No, he didn't.
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, look it up, and like even the girls are called like Georgina.
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_00: What a psychopath.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah, it's like eight kids.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_01: Look, I was a big fan of his lean green fat-reducing glimmer machine, but this is like this is too far.
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_00: This is like, I can't believe this.
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_00: I gotta look it up like his n like the kids' names because it's it's really funny.
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_01: That is so strange.
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_01: That's such a strange, like egomaniacal thing to do.
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_01: Because you know, I believe that everybody should be allowed to like choose their own name.
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_01: I think when you get to 16, you should be allowed to just like change your name if you want to.
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_01: I think it should be easy for you.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_01: But the idea of calling someone junior or naming them after yourself is like so fucking weird.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_01: It's like it takes away all of your sort of like autonomy.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, no, you're just a mini version of me, you know.
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_00: So he's got 12 kids, first of all.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_01: Already, that's just too much.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_00: That's ridiculous.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_00: Five sons and seven daughters.
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_00: These five sons are called George Junior.
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_00: Isn't that a musical?
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_00: Oh no, wait, it's like George Jr.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_00: George Jr.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_00: is the first one.
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_00: Then he's got George III, aka Monk, right?
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_00: George the Fourth, aka Big Wheel.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_01: Big Wheel?
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_00: George the Fifth, aka Red.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_00: Sick.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_00: That's a good one.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_00: I like that one.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_00: George the Seventh uh George VI, aka Little Joey, which I don't know.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_00: That kid's gonna be so confused.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_00: Uh and then he's got like his daughters who are all named different names, except for one who's called Georgetta.
• 19:27
  SPEAKER_01: Georgetta?
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_01: Not even Georgina, Georgetta.
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_00: George Weina.
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_00: Georgia Wiener.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_00: That's what you put on the grill.
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_01: Love that.
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but what so the other daughters do have they all have normal names.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, they all have normal names.
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_01: It's too many Georges.
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_00: But that's just like, why would you name all of your sons George?
• 19:53
  SPEAKER_00: That's just why?
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's literally deranged.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_01: It's literally deranged.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_01: But that's what happens when you're when you're a boxer, you know, you get a lot of a lot of punches to the head and you end up naming all your kids George.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_01: You probably just forgot.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_01: He just forgot.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_00: It's like you look like me, you're George.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, little George.
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_01: You probably thought it was him.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_01: He's like, it's me.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_01: Um Yeah, sorry for any any boxers out there who have uh got brain damage, but um yeah.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_00: Um I I also wanted to bring up, you said about this movie that you weren't sure what the director went on to do.
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_00: He went on to make a he this was his first movie, and then he went on to direct a load of Adam Sandler movies.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_01: Oh really?
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_01: But which ones though?
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_00: He directed Let me find them.
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_01: Because when you're talking about Adam Sandler, I felt like that is a really like pertinent question, you know.
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_01: You can't just write off Adam Sandler, you have to, you know, which movies did he make.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_00: So he did direct Big Daddy, which is what I really enjoy.
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_01: It's a redeemable movie.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_01: Again, it's similar in that it's shit, like it is shit, and I don't really like it, but there's bits in it that are good, and it ha again it has a soul, it has a heart, it's trying to say something, it has weird minds.
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_00: I think that's got the nostalgic thing for me.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_00: Um but but then he went on to direct I Now Prudenti Chuck and Larry, which is awful.
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_00: You don't miss with the Zohan, terrible.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_00: Grown-ups, Jack and Jill, just go with it.
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_00: Grown-ups too.
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_00: He is like and this is like the these are the movies he directs.
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_00: He doesn't direct anything else now, so like he's stuck in this animal.
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_01: I um yeah.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, look, I I still maintain that Problem Child is redeemable, but those movies definitely aren't.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, sorry.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_01: Um, alright, he's not gone on to do good things, but hey, look, he's making money, isn't it?
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_01: He's working.
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so Problem Child, we talked about it before, but I can't remember any of it, so you're gonna have to remind me of it.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_01: So I've I've seen it quite a lot of times.
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, how many how many times have you seen it?
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_01: I can't remember exactly how many anyway.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: But it's a lot.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_01: Like I used when I was a kid, I used to have it on like a taped video.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah, I remember this now.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_01: And I had a lot of films on taped video.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_01: I used to like draw my own video covers and stick them on.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_01: I was into piracy from an early age.
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_01: Do you have any of the video covers anywhere?
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_01: I don't.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_01: I tell you like one of the best ones that I had, I used I wish I still had it.
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_01: But I had like a really, really wonky looking hand pencil drawn um Wild Wild West video.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_01: And it had Will Smith and the other guy on the front looking very wonky with the giant mechanical spider.
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_01: And I would even like draw like the age certificate.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, you drew the spider.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_01: I drew the spider, I drew that the age certificate logo.
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_01: I only did the front covers.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_01: I would like do them on a piece of paper and cut them out and stick them on.
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_01: That's really cool though.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I really wish you still had them.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_01: But um I wish I wish I still had them too.
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_01: We used to have like a big cabinet that had like uh all of our like taped videos on, and every now and then there'd be one like from one of my favourite films, like it would be like Problem Child or Pee Wee's Big Adventure, and it would say on it like, don't tape over, hands off.
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_01: And I remember like once someone did tape over my copy of uh Pee Wee's Big Adventure, I think, which when I was a kid was my favourite movie, and I like freaked, I like freaked out.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_01: Like, yeah, I was like pissed.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_01: Because now I just had this hand-drawn cover and like no no use for it, you know.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_00: But um And it's not like they showed that all the time either.
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_00: No, they hardly ever well when I was a kid when I remember never I don't remember ever seeing that on TV.
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I was I was you know, I was abreast of the TV guides.
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_01: I was uh checking it for it.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_01: Um but they used to show Pee-Wee's Playhouse um on like Nickelodeon, I think.
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I remember that all the time.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_01: Um but anyway, yeah, so I really liked Problem Child and I used to watch it a lot.
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_01: I think just because on a base level, you know, it's a film about kids just like fucking shit up, you know, like we like kid this kid, like look what he's doing, he's like because he's bad.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_01: Well they say he's bad, but he's only bad by the standards of like a kid's movie is bad.
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_01: Like he's not bad, he's just he's doing like Dennis the Menace-esque things.
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_00: There is one point where he destroys the dad's trailer.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but this is the thing, like we all want to do that, you know.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_01: He does what kids can't do.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_01: He's a bad boy.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_00: Uh that that's probably the worst thing he does in the at the beginning, I think.
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, except the pissing, obviously.
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah, the pissing is irredeemable.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_00: Um but yeah, so he gets passed around a lot and then he ends up at um this this family who's like Ben.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_00: Ben.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_01: Ben, that's the name of the dad, I think.
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_01: Ben.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_01: Uh oh yeah, because there's Big Ben.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_01: There's Big Ben, who's like this old sort of like uh toxic masculinity sort of old man who like owns a sporting goods shop and he's like, my son.
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_01: And Ben is like this nice, sensitive guy.
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_01: Well, he is nice, but he's kind of I think also he's a bit of a dick because he he adopts Junior and then is pretty quick to want to like give Junior back.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_01: He's like, oh he's like, oh no, like Junior's a little dick.
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_01: And then um it's not until like he learns that he's been given back like 30 times that he's like, alright, I guess I'll just I'll guess I'll try and love him.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_01: Which is how all adoption works.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_01: You have to be you have to go in ambivalent, you know?
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, that's very sad.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_01: But um, no, but you know, like Junior Junior's a legend.
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_01: I'll always and also like it has this um I like the way he's a legend.
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_00: He's a legend.
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_00: I like I like Did you try and like did you try and imitate him when you were a kid?
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_01: No, no, I think I just lived vicariously through him.
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_01: I was I was actually quite well behaved uh until I got to about I don't know 14 or whatever.
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_01: But he he um I like the way that he like voiceovers it, you know.
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_01: I like the fact that Junior himself voiceovers it's a bit like Goodfellas sometimes, you know, it's like came out the same year.
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_01: No way, so that's so strange, it's so weird because he yeah, it's a bit like Goodfellas, because he's like that's probably the only ever comparison to Goodfellas from Java's had.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_01: Because you know in Goodfellas, how it's like sometimes it's like this is Tony Maloney, like he uh he makes the best spaghetti bolonnaise in jail or whatever, and then and then like this is about the time that I thought things have gone too far.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_01: That's kind of like what Junior's kind of like, you know?
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, chimes in when he's fucking shit up.
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_01: But when I was a child, I he's like, this is Ben, like he like tells you he tells you what's going on, and then that's good, you know.
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes you need that, it's it's a hard film to follow.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_00: You need it in a you need it in a kid's film.
• 27:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 27:07
  SPEAKER_01: Especially one this complicated.
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_01: Um I mean it is I mean the story is a little bit all over the place, but I guess the simple version is.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_01: I was I was joking, it's not complicated at all.
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's simple, it's pretty simple.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, you know, he uh he wants to be he he wants to be loved, but he he struggles to show it, you know, because he's a little he's a little shit, but he it tells us a lot about the world, you know.
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_01: He's a product of his circumstances.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_01: You know, there's a lot of big messages.
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_01: But it's been a while since I watched it, and I can't remember.
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_01: I I Did you watch it before the before we had the last recording?
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_00: I did, yeah.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_01: I watched it before we had the last recording, but I haven't watched it before this one.
• 27:48
  SPEAKER_01: But I remember No, I I hadn't watched it again since then.
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but I mean, you know, what what do you need to know?
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_01: You know, it's like a problem child.
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_00: He's a problem child.
• 27:59
  SPEAKER_00: Um one thing about this movie, uh I brought it up before, but it's like an hour and twelve minutes or something like that.
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_00: Perfect.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_01: Perfect.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_00: Like it's like barely a movie.
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_01: Well, in today's.
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_00: We did discuss this before, and you you you you like I remember you saying, like, no, no, no, it's much longer than that, and it definitely counts as a movie.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_01: Well, the thing is, you know, films today are too long.
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_01: Like, they're objectively too long.
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_01: Like they are.
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_01: I very rarely watch any film that's over two hours long, and I don't care how good.
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I will sometimes.
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I re recently I watched a film that I really enjoyed called Prisoners.
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_01: Have you seen Prisoners?
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_01: I have, yeah.
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_01: It's very long.
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_01: It's sick.
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_01: It's so good.
• 28:41
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I haven't seen a film that good in a while, and it is long, it's like two and a half hours long.
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_01: And I and it didn't feel like it, it flew by.
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_00: If you saw it was two and a half hours long, what made you put it on?
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_00: Jake Gyllenhaal.
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_00: Of course.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_00: I like him.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_01: I what kind of smoke?
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_00: You're like a smelly boy.
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_01: I got a soft spot from.
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think he's a nice, a nice young man.
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_01: I also really like Nightcrawler.
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_01: Like I watch anything with a minute, to be honest with you.
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_01: But like He is very good.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think he is actually.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_01: I I like his whole like he's got this like you know bad boy, but like, not really a bad boy, but like he's I don't know, like he's troubled, isn't he?
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_01: He could he could play junior in a in a in Problem Child 4 or something.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_01: In fact, chronolic chronologically, let's pretend that um Nightcrawler is just that's what he went on to do.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it went on to be anyway.
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_00: Um yeah, it could happen.
• 29:33
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I want to ask you actually, have you seen Bubble Boy?
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, of course I have.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, of course I have.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_00: Have you done that on your podcast?
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_00: You must have done it.
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_00: I was talking to Eric Eela about it recently.
• 29:43
  SPEAKER_00: It's trash.
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_00: It's so trashy.
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_00: She she asked me, she was like, Have you seen Bubble Boy?
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, Yes, I haven't seen it since it came out, but it I remember it bet being bad.
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_00: She's like, you should do it.
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_01: I might have even had that recorded off the TV because I went through a it wasn't a long phase, but I remember going through a couple of months of watching it a fair amount.
• 30:05
  SPEAKER_01: A couple of months of watching it.
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_01: Well, well, not but this is how things were back then, you know, not to sound old, but it's like Actually, that's true.
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_01: I know what you mean.
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_01: If you know, I would have a video or record a video and I would I would watch it a lot.
• 30:18
  SPEAKER_01: Like like like this film and like Pee-Wee's Big Adventure, like I was saying about earlier, like I watched the shit out of it.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_01: I I would I would watch it every like almost every day.
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_01: Um because it's great, you know, it's like and then you you this is how the this is how these films get cemented in your mind as being good.
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_01: It's not I mean obviously Pee Wee's Big Adventure is good, but um Problem Child, like just through watching it and watching it, like like when when you're it's it's a bit like how back in the day, like I would have like a CD, like an album, and I would listen to it all the time.
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_01: And because it was like one of the only albums that I had, yeah, it it wasn't like Spotify where if you're not enjoying an album, you just get a new album.
• 31:03
  SPEAKER_01: It was like, no, you own this album, either get rid of it, or learn to love it.
• 31:11
  SPEAKER_01: And that's honestly like there are some albums that I have had to learn to love.
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_00: Which ones?
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_00: Do you remember which ones?
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_01: Um, yeah, like the Marshall Mathers LP, right?
• 31:23
  SPEAKER_01: Which I which I don't which I don't think is a good album.
• 31:27
  SPEAKER_01: I think I think when I listen back to it in hindsight, I'm like, this is you know, a couple of really good tracks, but as an album, I was like As an album, yeah, it's it's kind of bad now.
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but like but it's like the things like you know, like the bad hip-hop skits and stuff like that.
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they're terrible.
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_01: Terrible skits.
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_01: But even back then, I remember being like, oh, here it comes.
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_01: Here's the skit.
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_01: I like this is the funny bit.
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, so you didn't even skip them.
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_01: Uh no, I'm I'm a I'm a bit of an album purist.
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_01: I listened through listen to the whole thing.
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_01: If you start, you gotta finish it.
• 31:57
  SPEAKER_01: You got to, yeah.
• 31:59
  SPEAKER_01: And that's what Problem Child was like.
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_01: But look, I must have liked it enough because I went on to then enjoy Problem Child 2 and Problem Child 3, Junior in Love.
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_01: Rem remind me of what the second and third ones are about.
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_01: If I remember rightly, Problem Child 2 is about where they adopt a little girl as well.
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_01: So, or she I think it's I think if I remember rightly, they don't adopt her straight away.
• 32:24
  SPEAKER_01: I think she likes maybe they don't adopt her.
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_01: I can't remember.
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_01: I remember there's a little girl, okay, and she's like his little sister, kind of.
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_01: That's their kind of like dynamic.
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 32:34
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and they tear shit up together.
• 32:35
  SPEAKER_01: You know, they first don't like each other and then they grow to like like each other.
• 32:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 32:40
  SPEAKER_01: Problem Child 3, which in my mind I sometimes get mixed up with Problem Child 2, but actually I think Problem Child 3 is the one.
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_01: Well, it's called Junior in Love, and it's the one which has some famous scenes in it that I remember.
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_01: It's like it's the one where he's like, well, that it repeats a lot of things from the first one, but it's the one where he's like dressed as a little devil and he's got the little moustache and he's that's I remember that, yeah.
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_01: I probably have seen it.
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and he's in love, apparently.
• 33:04
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, he he he like very quickly realizes that he's not in love, I think, but he thinks he's in love.
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_01: They have a similar like did you ever watch the Little Rascals movie that they made?
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they have like a kind of similar vibe.
• 33:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they do as well.
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_01: It's like those and Dennis the Menace all have a similar Dennis the Menace, God, yeah, like the American Dennis the Menace.
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's what I mean.
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_00: I mean the American one.
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I used to like that as well.
• 33:28
  SPEAKER_01: I liked films with little kids just tearing shit up, I think.
• 33:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 33:32
  SPEAKER_00: I used to really love Richie Rich.
• 33:35
  SPEAKER_00: That's the one I I remember like loving.
• 33:37
  SPEAKER_01: I used to, I I I tell you what, I I didn't love the film.
• 33:40
  SPEAKER_01: I just loved one specific aspect of the film, which was like he's got a McDonald's in his house.
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_00: I knew you were gonna say that.
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's it.
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that was enough even back then to make me like keep watching the movie.
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_01: But I have to be honest, I don't like a lot of those Macaulay Corkin films that everyone fucking loves.
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_01: Like I don't I don't like Home Alone.
• 33:58
  SPEAKER_01: Like I think I think Home Alone is objectively a shitty film.
• 34:01
  SPEAKER_01: I think I think it's bad.
• 34:03
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, Home Alone is my favourite Christmas movie.
• 34:06
  SPEAKER_01: I just don't like it.
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_01: I just don't like like here's the thing as well, it's like Kevin McAllister, whatever his name is like he's such like like for me, Junior, right?
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_01: Like here's the thing.
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_01: Like, let's compare these two.
• 34:17
  SPEAKER_01: They are the same, they're no, they're not because listen, Junior, right, is unloved.
• 34:23
  SPEAKER_01: He's been unloved and through the system, yeah.
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_01: He's treat been treated badly by everyone around him, and and like is is he come he ends up being a problem child, but he he gets redeemed when he gets love.
• 34:38
  SPEAKER_01: I mean he's still a bit problematic, but he is a I think he's like everything he does has context, there's a reason why he is the way he is.
• 34:46
  SPEAKER_01: Kevin McAllister is like Patrick Bateman as a child, like he's a psycho, like he's got this huge house, he's rich as fuck, like his parents are off traveling.
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_01: Oh no, we left him at home.
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_01: And then he's like, oh, I'm gonna like, you know, yeah.
• 34:59
  SPEAKER_01: Everyone in his family hates him.
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_01: He's an arrogant little shit, and I dislike him a lot.
• 35:04
  SPEAKER_01: And and yeah, I just I don't know.
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_01: And Home Alone 2 don't even get me started on that tr on that train wreck.
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, come on, Home Alone 2 is great.
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_01: No, no, no, they suck.
• 35:13
  SPEAKER_01: See, this is the thing, this is nostalgia for you.
• 35:15
  SPEAKER_01: Like you've you've you've you've been brought into the lie that is like the soundtrack, maybe like the nice like soundtracks are great, and like the bit in the second one with the pigeon-e woman or whatever, the homeless woman, and like you're like, oh, in your head, you're like, oh, it's a masterpiece, the classic John Hughes thing.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_01: It's like nah, it sucks.
• 35:33
  SPEAKER_01: Like John Hughes is very hit and miss, actually.
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
• 35:37
  SPEAKER_00: There's a lot of John Hughes stuff that I do not like anymore.
• 35:39
  SPEAKER_01: My favourite though is Planes, Trains and Automobiles.
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_01: It's like it's one of my favourite films of all time.
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's like packaging.
• 35:45
  SPEAKER_00: It's a great movie, yeah.
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_00: So good.
• 35:48
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but then like some of his teen movies really don't hold up anymore.
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, again, like The Breakfast Club is one that that I I have a lot of uh nostalgia for, and I like bits of it, but it's like it's trash, it's trash.
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_01: Like you can admit a movie is trash and still like it.
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_01: Like, that's how I feel about Problem Child, like I know it's not good, but it definitely fulfills its purpose, which is it's it's a it is a movie, like even though it's one of those films it's like, oh yeah, it's got some cheeky adult jokes and stuff, and it's got Gilbert Godfrey for some reason, and that it is it is a movie that is aimed at kids, you know, it's like a child fantasy movie.
• 36:26
  SPEAKER_00: It's fully aimed at kids, yeah.
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and you don't get that a lot anymore.
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_01: I don't I don't I don't think films.
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_00: No, they've got to have some kind of adult humour in them now, don't they?
• 36:34
  SPEAKER_00: To like so that the the parents can watch them.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and Problem Child does have that, but it's it's done in a more but it's done in a more um yeah, it's done in a way that I think the kid would still laugh at it.
• 36:47
  SPEAKER_00: I think I think the parents stuff is the uh Michael Richards uh stuff.
• 36:53
  SPEAKER_00: I think that's what they're kind of like trying to go for with the parents.
• 36:56
  SPEAKER_01: I had forgotten about that whole part of it, actually, the Michael Richard.
• 37:00
  SPEAKER_00: Because it has like no relevance to the film.
• 37:02
  SPEAKER_01: So remind me, so Michael Richards is a murderer.
• 37:06
  SPEAKER_00: He's a murderer who escapes prison.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_00: Which we all knew.
• 37:10
  SPEAKER_01: He's a murderer, he escapes prison, and then he's on his way to murder Junior.
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_00: No, he's on his way to like meet up with him because he's gonna like join him.
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_00: Because Junior he thinks Junior's writing the letters to him.
• 37:23
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah, and he thinks he's like And he thinks he's like a friend.
• 37:25
  SPEAKER_01: He thinks he's like an older person, doesn't he?
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, hopefully.
• 37:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he thinks he's a grown man that you can team up with.
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_01: That's another funny thing about kids' movies back then.
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_01: It was like It was like, yeah, you know what?
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_01: Like Junior, like he's gonna he's gonna write to a murderer in jail.
• 37:41
  SPEAKER_01: It reminds me a bit of like I re-watched um Ace Ventura, pet detective, recently for something.
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and um one of the and obviously like there's so many bad things in it, but one of the things that I couldn't stop thinking about was like I I was trying to figure out and trying to remember, like, was this film uh like was it a kid was it a kids is it for kids?
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah because it feels like a kids film in so many ways, you know, like the way that Jim Carrey plays his character is like so like like kids love it, you know?
• 38:16
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_01: But it's so physical, obviously, and and and goofy and stuff.
• 38:21
  SPEAKER_01: But then at the same time, the film is like a just it's not a kid's film as well.
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_01: Like there's so many themes in it that are like so dark and it's like the concept of it is confusing even to an adult because it's based on like some obscure SNL thing which is like yeah, it's just it's a it's a bad film, isn't it?
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like the second one they really went more into like no, this is a kid's thing.
• 38:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, well that's what I was gonna say.
• 38:50
  SPEAKER_00: I went to see the second one at the cinema and I remember loving it.
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_01: He comes out of a Rhino's Anus.
• 38:57
  SPEAKER_01: I mean I I defy anyone to dislike that.
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_01: It's funny to get it.
• 39:03
  SPEAKER_00: It's a great scene.
• 39:05
  SPEAKER_00: Uh it's also been on this podcast, the second one.
• 39:07
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, really?
• 39:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's bad, but it's not like um I I really enjoyed it.
• 39:13
  SPEAKER_00: It's better than the first one.
• 39:14
  SPEAKER_00: I can't remember, I can't really remember the first one.
• 39:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you're probably better off, I'd say.
• 39:20
  SPEAKER_01: It's pretty rough.
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_01: Um But yeah, so like Problem Child, it has like it has things in it that keep me interested, you know, it's got good cast.
• 39:28
  SPEAKER_00: Um the cast is really good, actually.
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_00: Like it's John Ritter.
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I love John Ritter.
• 39:32
  SPEAKER_00: Uh Gilbert Gottfried, Michael Michael Richards, the kid.
• 39:36
  SPEAKER_01: Michael Richards, you know what?
• 39:37
  SPEAKER_01: Michael Richards, like the thing about him is like look, we all know the problems with Michael Richards, we're all aware of that, but to say that he wasn't a funny screen presence back then is like.
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, he was very, very funny.
• 39:49
  SPEAKER_01: Like Kramer, UHF.
• 39:51
  SPEAKER_01: Have you seen UHF?
• 39:52
  SPEAKER_01: He is so funny in UHF.
• 39:54
  SPEAKER_01: Put UHF on your not your list for the podcast, but put it on just.
• 39:57
  SPEAKER_01: Put it on my list to watch, yeah.
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's Weird Alyankovic's movie.
• 40:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 40:01
  SPEAKER_01: And Michael Richards is so good in that.
• 40:03
  SPEAKER_01: So funny, yeah, so so funny.
• 40:05
  SPEAKER_00: Um he's very funny, and like I don't know.
• 40:09
  SPEAKER_00: I think I I think he's just like, this this role is weird though.
• 40:14
  SPEAKER_00: It is weird.
• 40:15
  SPEAKER_00: You know, he was doing the best with what he had, I think.
• 40:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, literally.
• 40:18
  SPEAKER_00: And this is the same this is a year after Seinfeld started, so like he wasn't a name really.
• 40:24
  SPEAKER_00: No, no.
• 40:25
  SPEAKER_00: So obviously he would just probably just take in any roles he could at the time.
• 40:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 40:28
  SPEAKER_00: Because Seinfeld wasn't big after the first year.
• 40:31
  SPEAKER_01: The thing is though, this movie when it came out, I mean, I read a little bit about it on Wikipedia last time, just to refresh my memory.
• 40:38
  SPEAKER_01: And I think it did alright.
• 40:40
  SPEAKER_01: Like at the box office.
• 40:41
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I don't think it was.
• 40:42
  SPEAKER_00: It did very well from what I remember.
• 40:43
  SPEAKER_01: It was uh like it's one of those movies that the longer it's been around, people have like kind of stuck shitting on it, but like it, you know, it grossed 72 million.
• 40:52
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, God shit could do that back then though, couldn't it?
• 40:57
  SPEAKER_01: That's true, actually, yeah.
• 40:59
  SPEAKER_01: There wasn't as much choice, you know.
• 41:03
  SPEAKER_00: I do love the other bit of trivia I do love is Macaulay Colkin was supposed to play him.
• 41:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but see, you can see why he didn't get the part, you know.
• 41:11
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's like um it's like uh flipping what's her name?
• 41:19
  SPEAKER_01: Judy Garland in um it's just like it.
• 41:22
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's like Judy Garland in the game.
• 41:24
  SPEAKER_01: It's just like Judy Garland in Annie Get Your Gun, you know.
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_01: She's not she's not because it was but in Annie Get Your Gun, it was originally supposed to be Judy Garland, and she's just not she's not it, you know, she's not she's not rough and ready enough for it, you know?
• 41:39
  SPEAKER_01: So they got Betty Hutton and like she was more like down to earth and made sense, you know?
• 41:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah and that's what this is like like Macaulay Corkin, like the thing I I don't think Macaulay Corkin is good.
• 41:53
  SPEAKER_01: Well I don't think he's I don't think he's as good as people think he is.
• 41:57
  SPEAKER_01: You know, that's why he hasn't done anything for ages.
• 41:59
  SPEAKER_01: He like his brother though, Kieran's so Oh Kieran is so good.
• 42:04
  SPEAKER_01: Kieran?
• 42:05
  SPEAKER_01: Give me Kieran, that's what I say.
• 42:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, of course I've I've watched it twice.
• 42:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 42:10
  SPEAKER_01: All of it twice.
• 42:12
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm I'm ready for I'm ready for the third series, baby.
• 42:15
  SPEAKER_01: I'm ready.
• 42:15
  SPEAKER_00: Are you going to the uh the screening at the London Film Festival?
• 42:20
  SPEAKER_00: I don't go to things.
• 42:22
  SPEAKER_00: No, how can I I don't know how to go to that.
• 42:26
  SPEAKER_00: Are you?
• 42:27
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I'm gonna try.
• 42:28
  SPEAKER_01: Well, are they screening the whole series?
• 42:30
  SPEAKER_00: No, no, they're screening the first two episodes of the third series.
• 42:34
  SPEAKER_00: It's gonna be early.
• 42:36
  SPEAKER_00: And I think they're coming.
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_00: I think they're all coming.
• 42:39
  SPEAKER_01: But I yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_01: I can't wait to see it, but I'm not gonna do it.
• 42:44
  SPEAKER_01: Not enough to go to the cinema.
• 42:46
  SPEAKER_01: I don't want to see it around people.
• 42:48
  SPEAKER_01: Like people are the like people are like so cringe, aren't they?
• 42:52
  SPEAKER_01: Like they'll probably be dressed up as the characters or something.
• 42:56
  SPEAKER_01: Probably be a guy there just as like I'm Greg! Like I'm wearing a jumper, or like or dressed as an egg or something.
• 43:03
  SPEAKER_01: Well now I have to dress as an egg.
• 43:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, Greg, I'm Greg the egg, don't you see?
• 43:11
  SPEAKER_00: I've just noticed there's a character called Roy in this as well.
• 43:13
  SPEAKER_00: Who's Roy?
• 43:14
  SPEAKER_00: I can't remember Roy.
• 43:15
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know, I've got I've got it right down, I've written down his Roy, so I'm assuming there's a Roy in this.
• 43:20
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, it's the friend.
• 43:22
  SPEAKER_00: It's the dad's friend.
• 43:23
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, no cares about the dad's friend.
• 43:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, okay.
• 43:27
  SPEAKER_01: Probably like gets one spoken line or something.
• 43:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 43:31
  SPEAKER_00: It's right before he dresses as the devil.
• 43:33
  SPEAKER_00: Because I think it looks like when he's like luring the bear.
• 43:36
  SPEAKER_01: Right, right, right.
• 43:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 43:39
  SPEAKER_01: No, look, I mean I look I think Problem of Child is good.
• 43:43
  SPEAKER_01: I think if I was a ki if I had a kid, I would let them watch it.
• 43:47
  SPEAKER_00: I'd I'd be like Yeah, I'd let them watch this.
• 43:49
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think they would I don't know if they'd necessarily love it now.
• 43:52
  SPEAKER_01: I think they would.
• 43:53
  SPEAKER_01: I think there are certain things that like I think wrecking shit, you know, smashing up the place, being a little rabble is.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_01: like it's universal you know kids feel frustrated and they wanna you know they might love their parents but at the same time you know fuck you I wanna eat ice cream all the time I wanna I'm gonna smash up the place I had a I had a light problem child phase I I we used to live by this um like I used to live by this big uh what do you call it like one of those you know those places where you where shop cash and cash and carry?
• 44:31
  SPEAKER_01: Like places where shops get their stock from in bulk.
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah yeah cash and carry.
• 44:35
  SPEAKER_01: Is that what it's called you have to have a card to get in there.
• 44:37
  SPEAKER_01: It's like it's called Yeah it's like a Costco.
• 44:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah this one was called Best Way and it was like this big ugly building behind like our house and we would like climb into it out the like over the barbed wire and we would like and we would steal like whatever was outside and and what that usually was is it was like a pallet's worth of um just juice.
• 45:00
  SPEAKER_01: Do you remember just juice?
• 45:02
  SPEAKER_01: It was yeah and pallet's worth a palette like a pallet we would throw it over and um we stole like this explodes it left we stole like a big thing of hubba as well which we sold around the road because we were young entrepreneurs like nightballer we were like we've got to sell this hubba but what we did with the just juices we um just laid them all out on the floor and just dropped bricks on them you know we used to start little fires which is like insane how many of you were there that was like a little a little gang of us little gang little gang but like but we were like the little rascals we weren't I think gangbugs we were like little rascals you know we'd throw stones at garages I couldn't even imagine that with you that's just so funny like we would throw stones at people's garages or at their window you know Jesus it was a fake it came worse and worse I was a frustrated child I was like but we did it all in a nice way you know it wasn't like we we were we were like how do you throw stones at someone's house and we were scamps we were London little Dennis the menaces yeah we were little London we were the little rascals you know there was a whole yeah a whole mix of us different genders we you know we had a little dog with an eye patch you know not really I I got did the did they had a dog didn't they with like a little thing on its eye yeah yeah I can't remember the dog had something on its eye but yeah I might be thinking of that dog from Oliver There's a little I think one of the kids had something on their eye there's Alfalfa he had like a He had the hair he had the hair what a weird movie I mean well it's weird because it's based off of like the Little Rascals which is like you know I don't know if you've ever seen like the original Little Rascals because it's so old you know it's like whenever you remake whenever you remake something that's that old you obviously have to take out the problematic shit as much as you can and then you're left with this thing that's like which is understandable and I get but then you're left with this thing that still has remnants of the problematic stuff but not actually problematic stuff and that's what the Little Rascals movie is kind of like it's like very new Tom and Jerry.
• 47:19
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't see it but it's I haven't seen it but they took they took out they took out the the maid.
• 47:24
  SPEAKER_01: Oh of course yeah of course I mean they haven't they haven't been using her in in a in a very long time to be fair to Tom and Jerry yeah I don't I don't think so anyway um yeah yeah um but the Little Rascals it's like it's the it's that thing isn't it it's um like again like I can't remember exactly I d I don't think the Little Rascals it just works in its own world it's like it's like when they tried to remake the three stooges right like they they made the three stooges but with like different people and from what I can gather I think they I think the consensus on it is that like the pe the people who were playing the three stooges did a good job like like they played they did like impressions of the characters well but you know well the three stooges I mean I I think it could I think if they'd have gone like actual I never understand this when they when they make something like this and then they commit so heavily to like making sure everyone looks the same and sounds the same and all that but then they're like oh but actually it's not gonna be black and white and it's not gonna it's not gonna it's not gonna be like like there are there are set pieces in the old three stooges uh shorts that are like way more elaborate and way more crazy than like anything in that movie.
• 48:40
  SPEAKER_01: You know in that movie it's like oh like they do a little bit of the eye poking and like someone falls over or whatever.
• 48:46
  SPEAKER_01: In the old three stooges it was like some cra they got some crazy shit you know dangerous crazy shit I want to see that I want to see people you know throwing hammers at each other and uh and like uh filling up a whole room with water because the pipes aren't connect and like you know I want to see madness.
• 49:05
  SPEAKER_00: This this does bring me to something though it just you reminded me of something and that this is that you are very into all of this old like the the old style of like not just comedy but you were like you like a lot of the old uh shows and uh movies and everything don't you?
• 49:22
  SPEAKER_00: I do I've really there's a what's the thing that you watch it on what's that oh Pluto TV Pluto TV Pluto TV is so good.
• 49:31
  SPEAKER_01: I I do I do and like here's the thing like I understand how dated it is and I understand that it's not you know it's not technically funny in the way that like people like like when I watch like an old sitcom like The Monsters or Bewitched or something which like two of my favourites like the jokes aren't funny in the sense of like they don't make me laugh out loud but no sitcom does.
• 49:58
  SPEAKER_01: You know it's it's you can still appreciate that the jokes are clever there's some great stuff in them.
• 50:03
  SPEAKER_01: And like the monsters in particular which at the moment Rob Zombie is actually making a remake of is like a movie version of the monsters yeah which I'm not talking about Rob Zombie doing it.
• 50:12
  SPEAKER_01: Well that's the thing I I mean he so the thing about Rob Zombie is from what I understand about him is that he loves the monsters almost as much as me.
• 50:19
  SPEAKER_01: No objective he loves it more than me but he he loves the monsters and he's like a super fan um so he's going to like a lot of effort to you know make the house look authentic Mockingbird Lane all that stuff but he makes dark shit very dark and I don't want to see it I don't want to see a dark monsters no no I want an an like a a nice funny like family version.
• 50:50
  SPEAKER_01: That's the point that's the that's the point of the monsters the reason why the monsters and sorry I know this isn't the Monsters cast but uh I might start that the reason the reason why the monsters is so good and why I think it's better than Adam's family is because Adam's family wants to like Adam's family wants to have its cake and eat it you know it wants to kind of be funny but it also wants to be like oh we're spooky whereas like the monsters is like no no no it's like your classic absurd sitcom but they just happen to be ghouls and it's like I love that you know Fred Fred Gwyn who plays Herman like he's one of the most lovable dads ever.
• 51:26
  SPEAKER_01: He's one of the most lovable dads since early Homer Simpson you know he's he's he's great monsters is such a great show.
• 51:33
  SPEAKER_01: I love it.
• 51:34
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's really funny it holds up well as well like it is actually funny I think for monsters have you seen um Wondervision no um I've seen clips of it and I do every time I see a clip of it I think oh this looks interesting.
• 51:48
  SPEAKER_01: I think you would enjoy the first few episodes I I think I wouldn't I mean so here's the thing I I feel so alienated from that whole universe yeah because that's what it's become now it's become this it's it's like in the past it was like these are comic book movies whatever but but because everything is so nuanced now it's like you like for example with Joker right like I I didn't really like Joker but I I get why people like it.
• 52:16
  SPEAKER_01: Like there are definitely bits of it that I liked but you can enjoy Joker and not know what it's standalone yeah it's standalone but it sits within this universe right because that universe has become like the status quo and it's become this reference point for like the geeks have taken over right is what I'm saying.
• 52:33
  SPEAKER_01: And which is fine let them have their moment but one division like I want to watch it but I I I also resent this idea that like I'm not fully understanding it.
• 52:44
  SPEAKER_01: Like I don't I don't mean I don't mean the you want to fully understand it but with I want the context but I I so I feel like I'm being excluded from something from the start.
• 52:53
  SPEAKER_01: It's like I'm being welcomed in but also that you know there's that kind of snobbishness of like yeah but you don't really you know you don't you don't really get what's going on.
• 53:01
  SPEAKER_01: It's like and if you if you did you'd understand this and this and this early on it's like so especially when it's a program like that that's quite it seems like it's one of those programs it's like purposely misleading you and being a bit weird.
• 53:15
  SPEAKER_00: Look I'll watch it okay I'm not opposed to watching it but I I I struggle enough with this universe you know I don't want to get I can't get into another universe I mean like the first few episodes you can definitely watch I'd say like 95% of it is its own thing that you don't need to know the context of anything outside of it.
• 53:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 53:37
  SPEAKER_00: There are little Easter eggs hidden out through the throughout those bits then it gets a little bit off track and you might not enjoy it.
• 53:46
  SPEAKER_01: Well I mean correct me if I'm wrong but like is it kind of like I know the style changes up is it is it is it like does it parody other mediums?
• 53:57
  SPEAKER_01: Is that the point of it?
• 53:58
  SPEAKER_00: So Okay so each episode is a a different decade.
• 54:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah so it starts kind of starts in the 50s and then it works its way through up until the through television yeah through television up until the 2010s see like see that as a concept is interesting enough for me to want to watch it just because like I want to see how well they reproduce like I'm kind of obsessed like another reason why I like old stuff like you were saying is because I'm kind of obsessed with the aesthetic of it like that's what it's more about that's why I think you'll like the first few episodes.
• 54:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah so like when I make like my own videos and stuff I I go to a lot of effort sometimes to I want to like try I'm kind of obsessed with trying to replicate the look of like like certain decades of film and like it's kind of geeky thing that I have like I I love oh but you can see the you can see that.
• 54:54
  SPEAKER_01: But as a result I I have my limitations because I don't have the budget of something like Wondivision but but I I I do get as a result for that I get frustrated when I see things not done like properly for example and I haven't seen Wondivision but you'll see you'll see this in other things where like they'll go to the effort of making it black and white they'll go to the effort of um of putting like a kind of filter on it and stuff like that to make it look like the 60s or whatever but also they won't have it in 4-3 they won't the sound won't sound like it you know um the laugh track is too it's like it's not it's just something off about it like it's just like I'm not talking about Wondervision I'm just saying generally like if you guys I know what you're saying if you're gonna do it like do like do it properly do it make it make it feel old and commit to it.
• 55:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah you know I agree with that.
• 55:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah I definitely agree with that.
• 55:50
  SPEAKER_01: I don't want to see it in widescreen.
• 55:52
  SPEAKER_01: It's like when somet it's like when sometimes they um like if you like old media and stuff like sometimes they'll bring out like a new like a blu ray of it it'll be like for example like for the first time ever the Dick Van Dyke show in Glorious Blu-ray with uh for the first time ever anamorphic widescreen as shot on the day and it's like okay but I don't want to see I don't want to see that.
• 56:12
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not interested.
• 56:14
  SPEAKER_01: I want to see how it looked but it's like it's like when Blu-ray first came out I remember like I would I never owned a Blu ray player but I would walk through um like peak like Curries or something and you know where they've got all the TVs and they would like sh they they're always playing like a film.
• 56:30
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 56:30
  SPEAKER_01: And I I don't like the Harry Potter films uh for lots of different reasons but I um they that they were using it they were using the the first Harry Potter film I think as like a demo to show you like just you know just to show you like the quality of each TV and it was a Blu-ray and I remember like looking at it and going like oh like this movie looks like shit.
• 56:51
  SPEAKER_01: Like it doesn't generally but on Blu-ray.
• 56:55
  SPEAKER_01: Once you see the quality of it once you see it in high quality you can see like how bad it actually looks I mean how bad it looks in high definition but the thing is the movie was never made with that intention even when you see something on a big screen say it's in like uh IMAX or something it's still if you're lucky like on film and like it still has this kind of like noisy kind of look to it whereas on Blu-ray like the whole point of it is like oh it's so clear and it's like looking through a window and it is like sometimes it is like looking through a window and sometimes the people on the screen look like they're in kind of what we perceive as like reality you know as opposed to being on on film which is like a slightly different yeah uh frame rate or whatever but like in it's like you know when the Hobbit came out and they're making this big deal about the frame rate being like 60 frames a second or whatever it was.
• 57:48
  SPEAKER_01: Oh I look terrible.
• 57:49
  SPEAKER_01: Well that's what that's the thing because it more matches your eyes yeah and it looked awful though.
• 57:53
  SPEAKER_01: So it looks like it's happening in front of you but that's like say but that's like saying that a painting is good because it looks photorealistic.
• 58:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 58:03
  SPEAKER_01: It's like well why don't you just take a photo?
• 58:05
  SPEAKER_01: Like a painting is good if it's like got like artistry expression to it.
• 58:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah exactly there's great plenty of great paintings that don't look realistic.
• 58:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah and there are plenty of paintings that are good that do look realistic like a verme but the thing is is that's all people talk about really yeah you know it doesn't have to be that way no anyway sorry I went off on like a real like geeky uh no no it's fine I I I led you there to tangent but um I just get pissed off you know when people try and come for my old media you know no I agree with you I I I want it to look how it looked I I like that aesthetic as well so I agree with you.
• 58:44
  SPEAKER_01: I like having a nostalgia for things that I wasn't even around for you know like because well I I you know they were on TV when I was a kid the reason I like the monsters is because I saw it on TV you don't really see it on TV now.
• 58:55
  SPEAKER_01: I mean you've got like a Charlie Chaplin um picture behind you from the kid like I love that movie.
• 59:01
  SPEAKER_00: Um I'd I it's funny you've got the ghost world thing there which is like very much the same vibe as well of like the nostalgia for something that you weren't around for I was around for that no you were around for Ghost World but then in the movie they they have a nostalgia for the stuff oh right yeah yeah yeah no they do yeah no I am so the two girls from Ghost World well particularly you know um e Enid Colsler like I uh I just want to be them you know that's like like I like the first time I saw that movie I was like oh I was like this is this is who I am I think you know I was like I'm a piece of shit and uh I again though similar characters you know they they do and say horrible things they're pieces of shit but they have um you can see why they've got shit going on and it's a great movie as well.
• 59:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah I love it.
• 59:52
  SPEAKER_01: It's a great it's a great book um I've no I haven't read the book but I yeah it's slightly different like it doesn't like the movie is well the movie was written in part by the same guy Daniel Klaus and Terry Zwygoff but like it um it's interesting it's one of those cases where it's like better not to just completely do like a faithful adaptation like as opposed to like doing like you know what they did with Watchmen which was just like too it was just too exact.
• 1:00:21
  SPEAKER_01: Too much yeah and then with this they actually got him to write like a different like an alternative narrative.
• 1:00:29
  SPEAKER_01: That whole thing with um Steve Buscemi and that like he that character is in the um in the book but it's not like a central part of the story.
• 1:00:37
  SPEAKER_00: Oh interesting because it's so important in this in the movie.
• 1:00:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah yeah but the the but the way that comics are structured is like well I mean not to explain like I'm sure you know but like I just mean that like they're not written like films necessarily with that structure you know but the film just needed like one really important yeah through line you know yeah that makes sense yeah but it's brilliant that it works so well such good characters.
• 1:01:07
  SPEAKER_00: Uh okay so do we have anything that we want to talk about Prop and child still otherwise we can move on to the final segment um well I don't know I guess I I feel like we haven't really spoken about Gilbert Godfrey that much.
• 1:01:17
  SPEAKER_01: You know I love Gilbert Godfrey and I enjoy him in any context.
• 1:01:23
  SPEAKER_01: So that was always a big win for me.
• 1:01:25
  SPEAKER_01: I remember when I was a kid I remember thinking like oh like you know that's the voice of Iago and then going on to be like oh but who is and then seeing him you know and being like oh who is this like weird guy and then from there like becoming like quite a big fan of him I guess.
• 1:01:43
  SPEAKER_01: So I don't know I guess you could in a way say that that might never have happened if not for problem child that's the thing about these old things they kind of even if they're bad they introduce you to people and they still mould your sense of humour you know they do like they have an effect on you.
• 1:02:00
  SPEAKER_01: It's not like I'm going out and doing jokes that Junior would do but I I uh but you're going out and doing jokes that Gilbert Godfrey would do.
• 1:02:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah which is which funny enough your aristocrats jokes yeah it's all jokes from like the 1930s so like um so other than that I wanna the thing I wanted to bring up was this is this is really funny but the director had says he'd never directed a feature film before so I decided to make his pitch uh a memorable one by standing on the studio president's coffee table and passionately passionately proclaiming you're looking at me like I'm fucking nuts and this is what we want.
• 1:02:36
  SPEAKER_00: We want this kind of chaos.
• 1:02:37
  SPEAKER_01: Three hours later he had the job that is like the kind I love that it's like the kind of Hollywood story that you just think that never happens.
• 1:02:45
  SPEAKER_00: I know there's no way there's no way it might have I mean I've also seen videos of like machine gun Kelly doing that.
• 1:02:53
  SPEAKER_00: Really?
• 1:02:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah doing what though?
• 1:02:56
  SPEAKER_01: Like dancing dancing and like performing on the table uh at like an at an executive uh meeting yeah but like jumping up to perform they're all just like uh but the thing is is that you saw a video of it so it's like you know everything happens now for the for the gram you know do it for the gram um or the TikTok but back I mean what's crazy about those stories is they're like they're stories you know it's like oh did you hear like like I've heard things before like about how for example like there's this uh there's this heavy metal musician that I'm quite into uh called Devin Townsend who um he was in a band called Strapping Young Lad which were like a really uh really like intense like kind of thrash metal like band death death thrash metal and he always had this story of like how he got like attention from a record company is that he like um sent his demo to them but like wrapped in his like underpants and like had like a stupid note on it and stuff and it made people like listen to it and I love stuff like that you know it's like just these crazy stories.
• 1:04:04
  SPEAKER_01: I mean I'm sure there's like crazy stuff that's happened that's happened than someone jumping on a desk but the movie is kind of unhinged enough that I can imagine that this guy might have done that.
• 1:04:13
  SPEAKER_01: I would like to know more about him I think he sounds like a real a real card a real character yeah real husband material Dennis Duggan or Dennis Dugan oh yeah or D D D D Double D.
• 1:04:25
  SPEAKER_01: Oh Double D is over there he comes Dennis Duggan on his way um other than yeah and it's also his directorial debut so like hey I mean to make to make that amount of money for a studio um oh it's huge on your directional debut no wonder he's no wonder he's working for Adam Sandler you know yeah and he works for all like funnily enough like all of the Adam Sandler movies that he does are like except for Big Daddy they're all like the ver they're all very much the um the family like well like the money the money the money yeah definitely because Big Daddy again like as my although I don't really like it it's not one of my favourite Adam Sandler films if there's such a thing but it's um it has some heart to it you know yeah yeah definitely I'm just looking at the other movies he's directed as well outside of the Adam Sandler movies and he's like he's directed Oh no he directed Happy Gilmore as well.
• 1:05:21
  SPEAKER_00: Oh okay that's a good one yeah Beverly Hills Ninja which is bad but I still kinda love it.
• 1:05:29
  SPEAKER_01: Um Saving Silverman Saving Silverman what is that?
• 1:05:35
  SPEAKER_00: Is it a movie uh a pair of buddies conspire to save their best friend from marrying the wrong woman Jason Biggs Steve Zahn and Jack Black Oh I I guess that maybe that's one of those like like because of the cast of it like it's a good cast.
• 1:05:54
  SPEAKER_01: But maybe it's just one of those ones that went under the radar a little bit like envy you know oh envy
• 1:06:00
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know if he started on Envy.
• 1:06:03
  SPEAKER_00: Is that all of his films or did he do any more?
• 1:06:06
  SPEAKER_00: And then the Benchwarmers.
• 1:06:07
  SPEAKER_00: Oh right, okay.
• 1:06:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:06:09
  SPEAKER_00: And oh no, he just directed Love, Weddings, and Other Disasters.
• 1:06:13
  SPEAKER_00: What's that?
• 1:06:16
  SPEAKER_00: Terrible title.
• 1:06:17
  SPEAKER_00: A multi-story rom-com about the people who work on weddings to create the perfect day for a loving couple.
• 1:06:24
  SPEAKER_00: Maggie Grace, Diane Keaton, Jeremy Irons.
• 1:06:29
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my god, it's a whole smuggles board of like just weirdos.
• 1:06:35
  SPEAKER_00: It's not got a good rating, so I can't imagine it's worth watching.
• 1:06:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:06:41
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, um.
• 1:06:43
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, do you have uh I think we kind of covered there's not a lot to cover with Problem Child.
• 1:06:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that is the biggest problem with it, is like it's it's just uh it's just an average movie, isn't it?
• 1:06:55
  SPEAKER_01: It's just an average kid's movie.
• 1:06:56
  SPEAKER_01: Well I mean I know you would say it's like bad.
• 1:06:58
  SPEAKER_01: I mean I think it's average.
• 1:06:59
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's got a lot going for it.
• 1:07:01
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think it's any worse than like Dennis the Menace.
• 1:07:05
  SPEAKER_01: No people seem to like that dumb movie.
• 1:07:08
  SPEAKER_00: Also, I don't think it's a 0% um I think it's I think it's a bad movie, but it's not a 0%.
• 1:07:15
  SPEAKER_00: It's like a 20 or 30.
• 1:07:18
  SPEAKER_00: Somewhere around there.
• 1:07:19
  SPEAKER_01: That may I mean I would give it higher, but that makes me feel like of course you would.
• 1:07:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:07:24
  SPEAKER_01: I'd give it I'd say it's in the forties.
• 1:07:25
  SPEAKER_01: I'd say it's like below it's below average, but only just.
• 1:07:29
  SPEAKER_01: I'd give it 48, I think.
• 1:07:30
  SPEAKER_01: 48, wow.
• 1:07:32
  SPEAKER_01: Well, actually, I'd give it 49 just for its uh its short run time.
• 1:07:39
  SPEAKER_00: There you go.
• 1:07:39
  SPEAKER_00: That that is that does boost it, the fact that it's short.
• 1:07:43
  SPEAKER_01: And the thing about prisoners is uh it I might have I mean I really liked it, but maybe I would have liked it even more if it had been a bit shorter.
• 1:07:52
  SPEAKER_01: You know, you can s you can squeeze all that stuff in.
• 1:07:54
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if I necessarily needed to see all of the like the torture that happened to uh Paul Dano.
• 1:08:00
  SPEAKER_01: Do you know?
• 1:08:02
  SPEAKER_00: It's but yeah.
• 1:08:05
  SPEAKER_00: I'm trying to think of like I can't remember, I can barely remember the movie.
• 1:08:08
  SPEAKER_00: I saw I saw it a long time ago when it came out.
• 1:08:11
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's it's the the exact genre that I like, right?
• 1:08:14
  SPEAKER_01: Like one of my favourite genres I've come to realise is like anything that's like where it feels like there's some like deeper mystery going on under the surface that you may or may not get to find out what it is.
• 1:08:25
  SPEAKER_01: In this film, you do get to find out what the conspiracy is, which is cool and it's satisfying actually.
• 1:08:31
  SPEAKER_01: But um it reminds me of you know, it's that same thing of like um Moleholland Drive, for example, like like one of my favourite movies.
• 1:08:39
  SPEAKER_01: That's the same thing, it's like there's a story happening, but then there's also like another like thing creeping under the surface.
• 1:08:47
  SPEAKER_01: There's also another really good movie, like this Andrew Garfield film called um, I think it's called Under the Silver Lake.
• 1:08:53
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I've heard of it, I haven't seen it.
• 1:08:54
  SPEAKER_01: I watched it when I did like a movie, uh, it's not an ad.
• 1:08:58
  SPEAKER_01: I cancelled it, but I I did like a movie uh trial, and um yeah, I watched that and I was like, this is this is sick.
• 1:09:06
  SPEAKER_01: This is like sick.
• 1:09:07
  SPEAKER_01: I've heard good things about it.
• 1:09:08
  SPEAKER_01: It's the same thing.
• 1:09:08
  SPEAKER_01: It feels a lot like Moholland Drive in the sense that there's like this kind of like noir story going on, like, oh, there's a lost person and weird things are happening in this neighbourhood, like like dead animals are turning up, and you're like, what's going on?
• 1:09:20
  SPEAKER_01: And like this character is like he's kind of uh in that kind of inherent vice way, like he's kind of like just pulled into it, yeah, and uh he you know he's unwillingly goes down these rabbit holes and uh and then it gets to a point where it's like it gives you a little bit more, and you're like, oh, this is like there's some there's something like weird going on here, like this kind of conspiracy thing, but you never really you don't you never get the full picture, you know.
• 1:09:47
  SPEAKER_00: You don't get the full yeah, you're because you're kind of like from their perspective, so yeah most of the time.
• 1:09:52
  SPEAKER_00: So I I I like that.
• 1:09:53
  SPEAKER_00: I like that's my favourite thing, I think.
• 1:09:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I love those.
• 1:09:57
  SPEAKER_00: Those are really great, yeah.
• 1:09:59
  SPEAKER_01: Um if if I don't know if that genre has a name.
• 1:10:02
  SPEAKER_01: If someone could tell me what that is, I guess like thriller.
• 1:10:06
  SPEAKER_00: It's like noir noir conspiratorial thrillers.
• 1:10:11
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like uh very specific.
• 1:10:13
  SPEAKER_01: Like there was one that was quite good uh recently, which was um I can never remember the name of it, but it's got Joaquim Phoenix in it, and it's directed by the woman who made um We Need to Talk About Kevin.
• 1:10:27
  SPEAKER_01: What it's a similar thing, it's like he's this he's this guy, and there's a missing child, and he's trying to find her, and then he and then he finds out that she that she's like been kidnapped by this like weird, shadowy organization, and then he goes mad with a hammer and it's like killing people, like Whoa.
• 1:10:49
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, you were never really here.
• 1:10:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you were never really here.
• 1:10:51
  SPEAKER_01: It's good.
• 1:10:52
  SPEAKER_01: It's not as good as those other movies, but it is good.
• 1:10:54
  SPEAKER_01: I haven't seen it.
• 1:10:55
  SPEAKER_01: Recommend if you like that kind of thing.
• 1:10:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:10:58
  SPEAKER_01: Or just anything that David Lynch does, obviously.
• 1:11:01
  SPEAKER_01: He's good at that.
• 1:11:03
  SPEAKER_00: And he's got hasn't he got a new movie coming out?
• 1:11:06
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 1:11:07
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 1:11:08
  SPEAKER_00: I swear he's doing something at the moment.
• 1:11:10
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not on the mailing list, but um the mailings.
• 1:11:13
  SPEAKER_00: But that's oh he's got a new TV series coming out.
• 1:11:15
  SPEAKER_00: Oh really?
• 1:11:16
  SPEAKER_00: What's it called?
• 1:11:17
  SPEAKER_00: Unrecorded night.
• 1:11:18
  SPEAKER_01: What's it about?
• 1:11:19
  SPEAKER_01: What does it say?
• 1:11:20
  SPEAKER_01: I'm very interested.
• 1:11:21
  SPEAKER_00: It says the plot is being kept under wraps.
• 1:11:23
  SPEAKER_01: That's because there is no plot.
• 1:11:25
  SPEAKER_01: He doesn't do no, I'm joking.
• 1:11:26
  SPEAKER_01: He does he does do like that's a that's a stereotype.
• 1:11:29
  SPEAKER_01: Like his plots are very like well thought.
• 1:11:31
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, it's a Netflix show as well.
• 1:11:32
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I hope it's not like that fucking monkey thing that you put out.
• 1:11:36
  SPEAKER_01: That sucked.
• 1:11:38
  SPEAKER_01: That sucked.
• 1:11:40
  SPEAKER_01: That sucked.
• 1:11:40
  SPEAKER_01: I've seen better YouTube videos and that has sucked.
• 1:11:42
  SPEAKER_01: No, it's 13 episodes, I'm sure it'll be fine.
• 1:11:45
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 1:11:45
  SPEAKER_01: Twin Peaks is like a very similar thing.
• 1:11:47
  SPEAKER_01: You know, it's like there's this.
• 1:11:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, Twin Peaks is like the like the exact thing I think of.
• 1:11:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:11:53
  SPEAKER_01: Especially that sec uh not the second series, the third, you know, the Twin Peaks Comes Back or whatever it's called.
• 1:11:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:12:00
  SPEAKER_00: I never saw the and I never saw that new one.
• 1:12:02
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, you have to.
• 1:12:03
  SPEAKER_01: It's I've heard.
• 1:12:06
  SPEAKER_01: It's so good.
• 1:12:07
  SPEAKER_01: It's so different.
• 1:12:08
  SPEAKER_01: It's like he's got he's so brave in the sense that he's like the whole point of the show is like the whole point of that third series is him basically saying, Look, you're n you can't go back in time.
• 1:12:20
  SPEAKER_01: Like, it's like the whole like the whole thing is him fucking with you and saying, like, look, you can't.
• 1:12:25
  SPEAKER_01: I know you want this thing from the past, and I'll tease you a little bit with it, but he's also like, but also, I kind of want to tell you this story now, and some of that story is like really fucking out there, like really good.
• 1:12:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:12:43
  SPEAKER_00: I heard there's an episode in it that's one of the best considered like one of the best episodes of any TV show.
• 1:12:48
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I don't I I don't have like a one episode that particularly stands out in my mind to be honest with you.
• 1:12:54
  SPEAKER_00: I think it was like episode eight or something like that.
• 1:12:56
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah, episode eight.
• 1:12:57
  SPEAKER_00: Episode eight.
• 1:12:58
  SPEAKER_01: I don't they've all like merged in with each other, but the soundtrack is brilliant as well, like it's so good.
• 1:13:03
  SPEAKER_01: Well, soundtrack's always good for his stuff.
• 1:13:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:13:07
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my god.
• 1:13:07
  SPEAKER_01: Do you know what, Yannis?
• 1:13:08
  SPEAKER_01: I could just talk movies with you all day.
• 1:13:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:13:11
  SPEAKER_01: Have you seen any good films lately?
• 1:13:13
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I saw Shang-Chi the other day, that was good.
• 1:13:16
  SPEAKER_01: Oh that's another one though, isn't it?
• 1:13:18
  SPEAKER_01: It's like in the in the universe.
• 1:13:20
  SPEAKER_01: It is.
• 1:13:21
  SPEAKER_00: But I don't know what it is.
• 1:13:22
  SPEAKER_01: I've never heard of it before.
• 1:13:24
  SPEAKER_01: It's in the universe, but it feels like its own standalone film.
• 1:13:29
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's just something that I have to get used to, is that the world is changing.
• 1:13:34
  SPEAKER_01: And that like no, but honestly, like in the like like this is.
• 1:13:37
  SPEAKER_00: Don't get you started.
• 1:13:39
  SPEAKER_00: I can't bring up Spider-Man around you then.
• 1:13:41
  SPEAKER_01: But this is the thing, is like this this is this is what the mainstream I guess is now.
• 1:13:47
  SPEAKER_01: Like people like people want it's like a Russian doll, like people want standalone films, but within a universe.
• 1:13:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:13:59
  SPEAKER_01: But like but why like why don't you just say standalone film?
• 1:14:02
  SPEAKER_01: What's wrong with standalone films?
• 1:14:04
  SPEAKER_01: That's what how we've always done it.
• 1:14:05
  SPEAKER_00: The way they're explaining it is that and I think this is probably like pretty uh pretty good description of what it is.
• 1:14:12
  SPEAKER_00: I saw someone say that it was like what the westerns were from like a certain period of time.
• 1:14:17
  SPEAKER_00: It's just like that's all that's what you would see.
• 1:14:20
  SPEAKER_00: Uh that those were like what everyone wouldn't want to go see.
• 1:14:23
  SPEAKER_00: It's like the Westerns, the westerns.
• 1:14:24
  SPEAKER_01: Like a set of archetypes.
• 1:14:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:14:26
  SPEAKER_00: Um and now it's uh but but they would do them in slightly different styles of westerns and whatever.
• 1:14:32
  SPEAKER_00: But now it's the comic book movies, but they still do them in different styles.
• 1:14:38
  SPEAKER_01: Um the mad thing is though, is like that term like comic book movie, like it doesn't mean anything anymore in the sense that like I mean they're they're adapted from them, but it's very loosely adapted now.
• 1:14:50
  SPEAKER_01: But also like none of these people like read comic books.
• 1:14:54
  SPEAKER_01: Like, like this not it's not people do.
• 1:14:58
  SPEAKER_01: I think I think a lot of the people that see these movies don't read comic books.
• 1:15:01
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah.
• 1:15:02
  SPEAKER_01: Um I know that like uh the characters come from comic books, and I know that a lot of these movies are like actually I know that they're like adaptations of some of the more obscure comic books, which is a good thing.
• 1:15:14
  SPEAKER_01: Like I like that about it, you know.
• 1:15:17
  SPEAKER_00: Umic book.
• 1:15:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I it is, and to be honest with you, I like comics, but that's always been like my um speed of comic.
• 1:15:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:15:27
  SPEAKER_00: I get that as well.
• 1:15:28
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not into like the superhero stuff as much.
• 1:15:31
  SPEAKER_01: That's fair.
• 1:15:31
  SPEAKER_01: Just because I find it a bit like well, I just find I personally just find it boring, like in the sense of like Yeah, it's understandable.
• 1:15:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but I like some.
• 1:15:41
  SPEAKER_01: I like some.
• 1:15:42
  SPEAKER_01: I I I I mean I love I mean obviously, like this is such a wanky thing to say.
• 1:15:46
  SPEAKER_01: I liked Watchmen.
• 1:15:47
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I used to be a big Watchman fan of the book.
• 1:15:50
  SPEAKER_00: The mo the movie.
• 1:15:51
  SPEAKER_01: No, no, no, the the the Alan the Alan Moore comics.
• 1:15:55
  SPEAKER_01: It's really good.
• 1:15:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's great.
• 1:15:57
  SPEAKER_01: Really good book.
• 1:15:58
  SPEAKER_01: I like all that I like that I like I've got quite a basic taste in comics.
• 1:16:02
  SPEAKER_01: I like Alan Moore's stuff, I like uh Daniel Claus, I like Of course, I like Neil Gaiman.
• 1:16:10
  SPEAKER_01: Really like Sandman, that was really good.
• 1:16:12
  SPEAKER_01: I've never read Sandman.
• 1:16:13
  SPEAKER_01: It's good.
• 1:16:14
  SPEAKER_01: I keep meaning to like read it.
• 1:16:15
  SPEAKER_01: Have you read American Gods?
• 1:16:17
  SPEAKER_01: The book, it's not a comic, yeah, yeah.
• 1:16:19
  SPEAKER_01: It's so good.
• 1:16:21
  SPEAKER_01: The book was great, yeah.
• 1:16:22
  SPEAKER_01: I couldn't really get into the show.
• 1:16:24
  SPEAKER_01: I started watching it.
• 1:16:25
  SPEAKER_01: I've watched like the first series, and um I really like it.
• 1:16:28
  SPEAKER_01: I think, yeah, I think if you'd never read the book, I think you would love it.
• 1:16:32
  SPEAKER_01: But like Like you get it has all the all the cool stuff in it, but I don't know, the book was just I'll tell you what, there's an audiobook version of American Gods that is like.
• 1:16:45
  SPEAKER_01: And I don't usually s like say that about audiobooks, because I love audiobooks.
• 1:16:48
  SPEAKER_01: No, I'm not no snobbishness to audiobooks, but like sometimes when you listen to an audiobook, like the acting on it or the like the way it's read is like doing the bare minimum.
• 1:16:58
  SPEAKER_01: It's not like it's not it doesn't like grip you in a way, which is actually a good thing sometimes because sometimes like you kind of want to replicate you want your own voice in your head, but there's this that audible version of American Gods, it's read by this one guy, and like he does all the voices, and he does it in a way that like reminded me of like how Chris Barry used to do the uh Red Dwarf audiobooks back in the day, because he used to do all the voices.
• 1:17:23
  SPEAKER_01: Um and this guy's like he must be like a a trained actor or something because like he's incredible.
• 1:17:32
  SPEAKER_01: Like, my like the way I think of like Shadow Moon and stuff is like I think of it this guy's rendition of it, he's really good.
• 1:17:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, oh cool.
• 1:17:39
  SPEAKER_01: So I don't know who he is.
• 1:17:40
  SPEAKER_01: Find out who he is uh if you listen to this and send him a nice tweet or something.
• 1:17:44
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe I should do that.
• 1:17:44
  SPEAKER_00: I just maybe you should, yeah, that's that's that's your job.
• 1:17:47
  SPEAKER_01: I know no, you do it, you guys do it.
• 1:17:50
  SPEAKER_00: Jen says you're great.
• 1:17:52
  SPEAKER_01: What films have I watched lately?
• 1:17:54
  SPEAKER_01: I haven't I haven't seen anything in a while, really.
• 1:17:56
  SPEAKER_01: Like I don't I don't really watch stuff.
• 1:17:58
  SPEAKER_01: I I I sometimes watch TV series.
• 1:18:01
  SPEAKER_00: Let me check my letterbox.
• 1:18:02
  SPEAKER_01: I watched White Lotus, I really enjoyed that.
• 1:18:04
  SPEAKER_01: I thought it was cool.
• 1:18:05
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I still need to finish that.
• 1:18:06
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like a few episodes in.
• 1:18:08
  SPEAKER_01: The soundtrack, especially, I loved.
• 1:18:10
  SPEAKER_00: Um, the soundtrack was really good to that, yeah.
• 1:18:13
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I saw Suicide the new Suicide Squad.
• 1:18:16
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, see, that's another thing, right?
• 1:18:17
  SPEAKER_00: It's like it was fun, it was fine.
• 1:18:20
  SPEAKER_00: It wasn't like amazing or anything.
• 1:18:21
  SPEAKER_01: But people love doing that now as well, don't they?
• 1:18:23
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, oh, we're gonna make a really like po-faced film.
• 1:18:26
  SPEAKER_01: And then they're like, and now we're gonna make the jokey one.
• 1:18:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:18:31
  SPEAKER_01: Like Thor, and then there's like Thor, and then there's like Thor goofy one, and then there's like this.
• 1:18:37
  SPEAKER_01: I prefer the goofy ones, I think they're better.
• 1:18:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, just make them goofy.
• 1:18:40
  SPEAKER_01: This is the thing, everything's going full circle.
• 1:18:42
  SPEAKER_01: It's like people were like, oh, you know, when the first Spider-Man films came out, everyone was like, Oh, they're so good.
• 1:18:47
  SPEAKER_01: I remember honestly, the first two Spider-Man films, people were like mad about them.
• 1:18:51
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, but those are still like two of my favourites.
• 1:18:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they're they're great.
• 1:18:54
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and then after a little while, people were like, ah, they're not, you know, this Christopher Nolan guy, like, he's like changed the game, and they're like, we need it to be a little bit more, like, you know, a little bit more adult.
• 1:19:05
  SPEAKER_01: Um and then they and then they did it again.
• 1:19:07
  SPEAKER_01: They were like, oh no, it needs to be even more or a little bit lighter now.
• 1:19:11
  SPEAKER_01: And then they were like, oh no, do you know what actually let's make it goofy again?
• 1:19:14
  SPEAKER_01: Like it's like homecoming.
• 1:19:15
  SPEAKER_01: And then they were like, no, let's make it like a cartoon and make it like really goofy.
• 1:19:18
  SPEAKER_01: And that was um the Spider-Verse one, which everyone agrees, and I agree, is great.
• 1:19:23
  SPEAKER_01: Like, like it was so good.
• 1:19:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like I like the anime like as somebody who doesn't really like comic book stuff, and I'm not even like that into Spider-Man.
• 1:19:31
  SPEAKER_01: I used to know what I used to like X-Men quite a lot, but um it's probably just because that theme tune, right?
• 1:19:36
  SPEAKER_01: Um The theme tune's great, best one ever.
• 1:19:38
  SPEAKER_01: But Into the Spider-Verse was like so much fun and so like more about what I like that's much more my sort of idea of what a comic book movie should be.
• 1:19:49
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I agree completely, yeah.
• 1:19:51
  SPEAKER_00: I completely agree.
• 1:19:52
  SPEAKER_01: And I like the original uh Spider-Man films because like Sam Raimi and stuff, and I think he was like perfect choice for them, like coming off of like Evil Dead and stuff, like seeing his style, like I would be It's the same reason why Peter Jackson gets to do cool stuff because like he has a fun, fun way of making movies, you know?
• 1:20:10
  SPEAKER_01: I mean I don't like any of them, but he has uh he does any of them?
• 1:20:14
  SPEAKER_01: No, I do.
• 1:20:15
  SPEAKER_01: I love I love Braindead, it's like one of my favourites.
• 1:20:19
  SPEAKER_01: You like some weird movies.
• 1:20:20
  SPEAKER_01: Brain Dead uh but again it's You like some creepy stuff.
• 1:20:23
  SPEAKER_01: Braindead's not creepy.
• 1:20:25
  SPEAKER_01: Well it is a beer, but it is But Brain Dead is like it's the same reason I like Evil Dead 2, is like if it's like a roller coaster, right?
• 1:20:34
  SPEAKER_01: It's like it's violent, but it's like ridiculous, and it just builds and builds and builds and builds.
• 1:20:40
  SPEAKER_01: Like we me and Jade, my flatmate, like we watched uh I showed her Evil Dead 2, um, because she'd seen Evil Dead 1, and we both we both agreed that Evil Dead 1 was good, but we also had that conversation where we were like, yeah, like it's a bit like it's quite dark and it's a bit weird in places, and like a woman does get sexually assaulted by a tree.
• 1:20:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:20:58
  SPEAKER_01: And then I was like, Oh, but you need to see Evil Dead 2, and I was like, it's like I was like, it's way different.
• 1:21:02
  SPEAKER_01: Like it's like it's mad.
• 1:21:04
  SPEAKER_01: And it it's so and there's one scene in it that actually even now I had like a a visceral kind of like reaction where I was I felt I felt the same fear that I did the first time I saw it when I was like I was actually like 11 when I saw Evil Dead 2.
• 1:21:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, really bad of my dad to let me do that.
• 1:21:23
  SPEAKER_01: But um there's a scene, it's one of the first sort of like weird scenes, and it's when Ash uh first chops off um his demonic girlfriend's head, and then it bursts in like the the body with no head bursts into the sh shed with the chainsaw, yeah, and um chainsaws of accent itself down its own torso.
• 1:21:51
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, that image has like stayed with me forever, it's so disgusting and so so creepy, and then there's the bit where like the headless body is like dancing around the forest, it's like terrifying stuff.
• 1:22:05
  SPEAKER_01: It's terrifying, but it's like so ridiculous as well that they're it's so aware of like what it's doing, and like as a fan of like silent movies and stuff like that, like there's a really amazing scene in it where he's you know the scene when he's like smashing the plates on his head and then he's like crawling along the floor and he like flips himself over and stuff.
• 1:22:23
  SPEAKER_01: All that stuff is like it's fully taken from that.
• 1:22:27
  SPEAKER_01: It's amazing.
• 1:22:29
  SPEAKER_00: But that's what I'm saying, is that's why Spider-Man, the first two Spider-Mans are good because they use practical effects in similar ways, you know, like things that Sam Raimi does, it's like oh that's like that Doc Ox scene is so good, it like still I think that's the best scene in any comic book movie.
• 1:22:45
  SPEAKER_01: It's the Doc Ox scene where like it first becomes the and it's like the chains like literally and did I hear some I heard somewhere, I don't know if this is true, but I heard that like the scene you know in the first movie where it like catches the lunch on the uh on the tray.
• 1:23:01
  SPEAKER_01: I heard that was real, but yeah.
• 1:23:03
  SPEAKER_00: It's true, it took many, many takes.
• 1:23:06
  SPEAKER_01: But that's so cool, right?
• 1:23:08
  SPEAKER_01: Like that's to me, that's like what film making is.
• 1:23:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:23:11
  SPEAKER_00: So fun.
• 1:23:12
  SPEAKER_00: I love practical effects.
• 1:23:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, me too.
• 1:23:15
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:23:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:23:16
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, like, because well, I don't know how you feel about this, but I just I just think CGI just looks shit.
• 1:23:24
  SPEAKER_01: I just think all of it looks shit in any like there have been a few times where I've watched something and I haven't been able to tell that it is.
• 1:23:32
  SPEAKER_00: Well that's what they say.
• 1:23:33
  SPEAKER_00: They say good CGI is when you can't tell it's CGI.
• 1:23:35
  SPEAKER_01: But that's when it's used in like minimal ways.
• 1:23:37
  SPEAKER_01: Like it's used to like hide uh like for example, like um the best use of it is something like Zodiac, I think.
• 1:23:44
  SPEAKER_01: Have you seen Zodiac?
• 1:23:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:23:45
  SPEAKER_01: Like where like David Fincher uses CGI in a way to make the world look bigger and to make it look more like the 70s or whatever.
• 1:23:56
  SPEAKER_01: But it does a great job of it, and it's like really stylistically done, and yeah, but there were there's scenes in there that I didn't realise was CGI, I just thought it was really good at cinematography, but it's like no, actually, they're just like it's just CGI.
• 1:24:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:24:09
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, wow, but it's always boring stuff, it's always like physical stuff, you know, it's like a car or a bat, or you know, when you start being like, oh, I want to like I want it, I wanna make a person, you know.
• 1:24:20
  SPEAKER_00: Oh it's like yeah, you it looks terrible.
• 1:24:23
  SPEAKER_00: That's one thing I do like about the so I'm looking at my the movies that I've seen as well at recently, and one of them was Fast Nine, and one of the things I do like about those fast movies, Fast and Furious movies, is that they use a lot of practical effects on the the cars and like the the races and the crashing and everything like that.
• 1:24:39
  SPEAKER_00: It's a lot of practical effects.
• 1:24:40
  SPEAKER_01: Well here's the thing is that I do appreciate Well, this is the thing, like I don't care about cars at all.
• 1:24:46
  SPEAKER_01: Like I don't care about like racing or cars that I'm not interested in it whatsoever.
• 1:24:50
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not either.
• 1:24:51
  SPEAKER_01: But like I really liked Baby Driver, right?
• 1:24:55
  SPEAKER_01: Because like there's like you know, it's impressive.
• 1:24:58
  SPEAKER_01: It's like it's like it's like watching uh, you know, like a good um I don't know, you just appreciate it because it's like some crazy shit that someone's doing, you know?
• 1:25:07
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:25:09
  SPEAKER_01: Whereas if you see like a car and it's like it's like flying around like it doesn't look real.
• 1:25:15
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 1:25:15
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just I'm just do you know what, Yanis?
• 1:25:17
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just a jaded old person now who like you know when Martin Scorsese said that thing about um how he was said one thing and they keep bringing it up over and over again.
• 1:25:28
  SPEAKER_01: He said like the the Marvel films and that they said he said they weren't cinema.
• 1:25:31
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, I was like, go off, Queen.
• 1:25:34
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, yeah, you're you're right, like it's true.
• 1:25:37
  SPEAKER_01: And I and I actually thought to just to just to get my boy Marty's back here, because I know he'll be listening.
• 1:25:42
  SPEAKER_01: Um he's a big fan.
• 1:25:43
  SPEAKER_01: I thought he I thought he made actually quite a nuanced uh fair point.
• 1:25:49
  SPEAKER_01: Like I don't think he wasn't slagging them off.
• 1:25:51
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think he's slagging them off.
• 1:25:52
  SPEAKER_01: He said that he just does he didn't say they're not films, he just said I in his opinion he doesn't consider them cinema because his definition of cinema is something else, it's something from the past.
• 1:26:05
  SPEAKER_01: Uh he said they're more like like attractions, which they are.
• 1:26:10
  SPEAKER_01: They are but also I if I was if if I wanted to like get back at him, if I wanted to like play devil's advocate and I wanted to like like if I was like a Marble fan, I would say to him, that's fair, but by that logic, the Irishman isn't cinema, because that film is like That film is 100% CGI.
• 1:26:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like you could yeah, like it has cinematic bits, but like I would be like, yeah, this this film's like Yeah.
• 1:26:38
  SPEAKER_01: It was good, but it was also like weird and kind of ugly in places.
• 1:26:43
  SPEAKER_00: Well that that actually leads me into the final segment then, because I want to see talk about a movie that you um that is considered a good movie but that you think is actually a bad movie.
• 1:26:56
  SPEAKER_00: Oh god.
• 1:26:57
  SPEAKER_01: Um Oh I n I know.
• 1:27:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, there's one that I always talk about is the Shawshank Redemption.
• 1:27:04
  SPEAKER_01: I don't like I don't like it.
• 1:27:06
  SPEAKER_01: Well I don't like it.
• 1:27:08
  SPEAKER_01: Coming from what c What do you not like about it?
• 1:27:12
  SPEAKER_01: I just think it's it's like I get that people I understand why people like it, but I don't understand why it's venerated as this like untouchable masterpiece.
• 1:27:23
  SPEAKER_01: Firstly, I firstly I don't really like Morgan Freeman.
• 1:27:26
  SPEAKER_00: Like you don't like Shawshank, and you don't like Morgan Freeman.
• 1:27:31
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I just don't rate him that highly as an actor.
• 1:27:34
  SPEAKER_01: And who is it?
• 1:27:35
  SPEAKER_01: How is it my place to say words?
• 1:27:37
  SPEAKER_01: It's not again, I have to stress it's not that I don't think he's a good actor.
• 1:27:41
  SPEAKER_01: He obviously is a good actor, but he's one of those actors that like is not one of my personal favourites because whenever he's in something, it's just like it's Morgan Freeman.
• 1:27:55
  SPEAKER_01: And and I can deal with that sometimes.
• 1:27:58
  SPEAKER_01: If like, like, for example, I I like Jack.
• 1:28:00
  SPEAKER_01: Nicholson, but I think he has slightly more charisma, and that's maybe why.
• 1:28:06
  SPEAKER_01: Like what he's offering is more.
• 1:28:10
  SPEAKER_00: Um I feel that with Tom Hanks, even though I love him, I will say I love his stuff, but I've I I'm always when I see a Tom Hanks film, I'm like, that's Tom Hanks.
• 1:28:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:28:18
  SPEAKER_00: I can't like it.
• 1:28:19
  SPEAKER_01: But the difference is like, but he's good, though.
• 1:28:21
  SPEAKER_01: That's the thing, is like Tom Hanks is like Morgan Freeman is like he's uh he's a meme, you know?
• 1:28:29
  SPEAKER_01: He's he's like now, yeah.
• 1:28:31
  SPEAKER_01: But but first of all, no, but he always seems a little bit like no, but he's always been a meme in like the even before we knew what the word was to describe it, he's always been a bit of a meme, like that's how he got that reputation of being Morgan Freeman in a film.
• 1:28:44
  SPEAKER_01: But anyway, the film itself as well, it's like okay, you know, it's like a prison break thing, that's nice, and like it's got like a Christian allegory to it, kind of, and I'm not against that.
• 1:28:56
  SPEAKER_01: I just you know, it's like I just it's fine.
• 1:28:59
  SPEAKER_01: You know, every film is like like most like almost all films made before like the last 20 years were like a Christian allegory to some degree.
• 1:29:09
  SPEAKER_01: It's like the OG like script writing thing, it's like, oh the hero's journey or whatever.
• 1:29:14
  SPEAKER_01: Um It's fine, it's fine.
• 1:29:18
  SPEAKER_01: It's just but I've just never I've never seen it and been like I've just never understood.
• 1:29:22
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's one of those films because it's long again.
• 1:29:24
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah, it's it's also like nearly three hours.
• 1:29:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's like just like that is like that's a a weird psychological thing that happens with us.
• 1:29:32
  SPEAKER_01: It's like if you give a f I think that's why actually a lot of people make their films long these days, uh, because I think a long film comes with like a psychological prestige.
• 1:29:43
  SPEAKER_01: It's like it's like you see a film as long and you go, Oh, it must be justified why this film is so long.
• 1:29:49
  SPEAKER_01: Like it's like the you you imagine this scenario where the studio are like, this story needs to be told, it needs the time, you know, and I just want to stress that I don't think the Shawshank Redemption is bad, but I've seen it a few times, and I I personally I just can't I struggle to see in it what everyone else is seeing in it, right?
• 1:30:12
  SPEAKER_01: And I like the director, Frank Darabon is his name, right?
• 1:30:15
  SPEAKER_01: I really like The Mist.
• 1:30:16
  SPEAKER_01: I think The Mist is a better movie than uh than The Shortshank Redemption.
• 1:30:20
  SPEAKER_00: The Mist is good up until the ending.
• 1:30:22
  SPEAKER_01: The ending's great.
• 1:30:23
  SPEAKER_01: What are you talking about?
• 1:30:24
  SPEAKER_00: The ending is so bad.
• 1:30:25
  SPEAKER_01: No, it isn't.
• 1:30:26
  SPEAKER_01: What you what do you mean?
• 1:30:27
  SPEAKER_01: The ending, like okay, this is one of those things that I know people argue about, but I guess it's just one of those things you either like it or you don't.
• 1:30:34
  SPEAKER_01: But like the reason why I think the ending is good is because it's like the brave ending.
• 1:30:39
  SPEAKER_01: It's like it's it's it's without spoiling it for people, it's like It's the tragedy, it's the tragic ending.
• 1:30:47
  SPEAKER_01: You know, you need that sometimes.
• 1:30:49
  SPEAKER_01: It's the it's the it fits the tone of the movie better than a happy ending.
• 1:30:54
  SPEAKER_01: A happy ending is because the because the whole thing about like oh the military's here.
• 1:30:59
  SPEAKER_01: You know, it's like I'm not someone who needs a happy ending, I just don't like the ending.
• 1:31:04
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 1:31:05
  SPEAKER_01: I think the thing that's wrong, if there's something wrong with the ending, it's like how quickly the military's like, oh, we're here now, but but but that's but that would that wouldn't work if it was a happy ending, but it does work if it's an unhappy ending because it just facilitates the tragedy.
• 1:31:23
  SPEAKER_01: Anyway, I the the reason why the mist is so good and why it's better than the Shor Shank Redemption is because So like the thing about the Shorshank Redemption, right?
• 1:31:34
  SPEAKER_01: It's about these people who are in prison, they're stuck in a place, yeah, they want to get out.
• 1:31:41
  SPEAKER_01: But we know what's out there for them, you know, and the film tells you that, you know.
• 1:31:46
  SPEAKER_01: Tragedy.
• 1:31:47
  SPEAKER_01: You're gonna Stockholm syndrome, you're gonna, you know, there's one of them hangs himself, blah blah blah.
• 1:31:53
  SPEAKER_01: Um with the mist, it's like you don't know what's out there.
• 1:31:58
  SPEAKER_01: They're stuck in a confined space and it's all about it's it's all about interpersonal relationships and people.
• 1:32:06
  SPEAKER_01: It's like like the thing about the mist is like it's not even you know, some of the effects are shit, and like like they are, but it's like a B movie, you know?
• 1:32:15
  SPEAKER_00: And it's like I'm okay with that.
• 1:32:17
  SPEAKER_01: I l I love it.
• 1:32:18
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's really good.
• 1:32:19
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's really good.
• 1:32:20
  SPEAKER_00: Like I said, it's a really good it's a good movie until the ending.
• 1:32:23
  SPEAKER_01: I disagree.
• 1:32:24
  SPEAKER_01: I think the ending is what makes it even better.
• 1:32:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, thank you so much for doing this podcast.
• 1:32:29
  SPEAKER_00: Um thanks for having me.
• 1:32:30
  SPEAKER_01: I'm glad we finally did it.
• 1:32:31
  SPEAKER_00: Uh how can we find you online and do you have anything you want to promote at the moment?
• 1:32:34
  SPEAKER_01: Um yeah, uh so you can follow me on Twitter at Gen Ives Comedian.
• 1:32:41
  SPEAKER_01: Um I'm on Patreon.
• 1:32:43
  SPEAKER_01: Patreon, Patreon, whatever it's called.
• 1:32:45
  SPEAKER_01: Um Patreon.com slash gen Ives if you want to give me some money and see some like uh I put I post on there all the time.
• 1:32:52
  SPEAKER_01: I'm always posting little goofy things that I make.
• 1:32:55
  SPEAKER_01: Um cool.
• 1:32:56
  SPEAKER_01: And the only other thing that I want to plug is that I'm doing a work in progress of my show, Peak Trans, at the Battersea Arts Centre on the 20th of what is it?
• 1:33:08
  SPEAKER_01: Is it September now?
• 1:33:10
  SPEAKER_01: September September, 20th of September.
• 1:33:12
  SPEAKER_00: So a week from the release of this episode.
• 1:33:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:33:16
  SPEAKER_01: So please, if you wanna, if you like me, please come and see it because uh God knows I'm not gonna be able to fill that room without a bit of.
• 1:33:24
  SPEAKER_01: I've seen I've seen the show and it's very good.
• 1:33:27
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
• 1:33:28
  SPEAKER_01: You have I mean you've seen a version of the show.
• 1:33:30
  SPEAKER_01: I've seen a version of the show, yeah.
• 1:33:31
  SPEAKER_00: You saw like the work in progress.
• 1:33:33
  SPEAKER_01: Well, no, but I just I just want to say that like it's still good, so thank you.
• 1:33:37
  SPEAKER_01: And uh, but it's better now.
• 1:33:40
  SPEAKER_00: Oh fine, sorry.
• 1:33:42
  SPEAKER_00: I saw a shit version.
• 1:33:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, you did see a shit.
• 1:33:44
  SPEAKER_01: I've got this whole new bit about Snoop Dogg in it, you're gonna love it.
• 1:33:48
  SPEAKER_01: Is that true?
• 1:33:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:33:51
  SPEAKER_01: Alright, thank you so much for coming on, Jen.
• 1:33:53
  SPEAKER_01: Thanks, Yanis.
• 1:33:54
  SPEAKER_01: It was a pleasure.
• 1:33:54
  SPEAKER_01: I'm glad we finally did it.
• 1:33:56
  SPEAKER_00: That's the end of the podcast.
• 1:33:58
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• 1:34:02
  SPEAKER_00: And I'll see you next week for more movies that critics.