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NFL Week 8 TNF Showdown | Vikings @ Rams | DraftKings DFS Picks, Plays & Process · Daily Fantasy Sports by Ship It Nation

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  Speaker 5: worst week seven, worst mainslate of all time. But I'm
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  Speaker 5: gonna be wearing this jersey. Excuse me anytime the Jets
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  Speaker 5: is on the slates. Pretty fun showdown.
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  Speaker 6: Game, I think.
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  Speaker 5: Right here, we have some pieces of news. The Hockinson questionable,
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  Speaker 5: Pooka questionable. It seemed all week like Pooka wasn't gonna play.
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  Speaker 5: Some optimism this morning. I'm still not expecting them to though, Hockinson,
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  Speaker 5: I don't think plays either, but we will get all
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  Speaker 5: that news with an actives. Geez, I g ate some
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  Speaker 5: sitting well. But yeah, excited for a pretty good game
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  Speaker 5: and Jets. You know he's gonna go off again.
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  Speaker 2: to go? You know me, my friend I talked about
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  Speaker 2: it last week. Always forwards, baby, always up. We love
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  Speaker 2: to see it all right. We got Vikings at the Rams.
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  Speaker 2: Could be a good back and forth. Vikings took their
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  Speaker 2: first l last week. There's been some crazy rumors around
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  Speaker 2: the tradings off with Cup and situational stuff there. Hoop,
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  Speaker 2: I'll bring it in first to you just for the
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  Speaker 2: grand scheme overview. First thoughts on this game and what
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  Speaker 2: we're gonna see. I'm a title by the way. I
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  Speaker 2: know we can do if then scenarios, but it feels
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  Speaker 2: like Pooka Nakua and TJ. Hawkinson again just the thought
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  Speaker 2: early on the afternoon, but feels like they're not going
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  Speaker 2: to be in. So I'm going to look at it
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  Speaker 2: that way for right now, and obviously if things change,
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  Speaker 2: will have it up over on the site.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the Puka thing kind of came out
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  Speaker 3: of nowhere where like, oh, he might play today, and
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, really no follow up information on it.
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  Speaker 3: And then Hawkinson, I think Hockinson probably has a more
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  Speaker 3: realistic chance than Pooka, but we'll see. And for the
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  Speaker 3: sake of the show, I mean in most of the
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  Speaker 3: conversation is going to be I guess assuming both those
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  Speaker 3: guys are out. Obviously, everything over at Ship and Nation
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  Speaker 3: will be updated as soon as we get news, and
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  Speaker 3: there's a chance we don't get news on this until
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  Speaker 3: inactives come out, you know, an hour and a half
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  Speaker 3: before before the game starts. So something to monitor throughout
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  Speaker 3: the day would have a little bit of impact definitely
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  Speaker 3: on the slate whether or not, you know, if those
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  Speaker 3: guys do happen to play. But like I said, we'll
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  Speaker 3: update all our content and we'll be in the discord
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  Speaker 3: discussing the impacts of those guys if they.
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  Speaker 4: Are potentially in. But it's a good appealing game. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: we've got a.
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  Speaker 3: What forty eight total relatively close spread. Cooper Cupp coming back,
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  Speaker 3: which definitely makes a Rams offense way more potent, i'd say,
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  Speaker 3: and obviously improves the prospects for Matthew Stafford. And then
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  Speaker 3: on the Minnesota side, you kind of know what you're
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  Speaker 3: gonna get. I mean, Justin Jefferson, absolute stud, Aaron Jones
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  Speaker 3: having a hell of a season, Sam Darnold playing really
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  Speaker 3: solid football. I'd say, you know, in terms of the
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  Speaker 3: captain conversation, it might be a pretty narrow pool for
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  Speaker 3: me because I think it just might be one of
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  Speaker 3: those guys going off like a Justin Jefferson, Aaron Jones,
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  Speaker 3: Kyron Williams, Cooper Cupp. These are two offenses that, for
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  Speaker 3: the most part, like man, it's usually one of those guys.
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  Speaker 3: And I guess maybe you could throw like Jordan Addison
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  Speaker 3: into the like he said, some big games over the
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  Speaker 3: course the last couple of seasons, But it just seems
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  Speaker 3: like at the end of the night, it's probably gonna
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  Speaker 3: be one of those four Jefferson, Aaron Jones, Karen Williams
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  Speaker 3: or Cooper Cupp. So we'll discuss it all obviously here
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  Speaker 3: as we go on throughout the show.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I'm gonna talk some quarterback captains too.
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  Speaker 2: Both these guys can spread it around, and I'm not
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  Speaker 2: as scared about these other guys. Even Jefferson himself this
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  Speaker 2: season three games now, where you thought he's gonna break
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  Speaker 2: a main slate showdown much different, but he just gets
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  Speaker 2: you that twenty twenty go like he just capped, and
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  Speaker 2: so it's not like he's going to be because it's
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  Speaker 2: a totally different slate. But just to say it, I
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  Speaker 2: don't think it's got to be all him. I also
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  Speaker 2: think Cooper Cup conversation's interesting because he could end up
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  Speaker 2: being overwhelmed. A lot of talk title about they have
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  Speaker 2: to showcase this guy. I don't think you have to
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  Speaker 2: showcase Cooper Cup for any trade. People know who he
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  Speaker 2: is already. You don't need to showcase him. If anything,
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  Speaker 2: you may want to keep him healthy. If your ultimate
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  Speaker 2: goal is to get him in there. He'll still be involved.
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  Speaker 2: He's back. That's exciting. But what's your thoughts just early
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  Speaker 2: on Grand Scheme overview before we get into full on
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  Speaker 2: captain talk.
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  Speaker 5: The first thing that stood out I've seen it multiple
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  Speaker 5: multiple people on the industry, is this line was surprising.
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  Speaker 5: The Vikings have been so good seeing them at three,
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  Speaker 5: and now it's two and a half on DraftKings. So
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  Speaker 5: usually when I see Lions that I expect maybe be
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  Speaker 5: a little wider, I usually I'm like, man, what am
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  Speaker 5: I missing? And I lean into like the opposite of
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  Speaker 5: what I initially thought. So I'm like Vikings like best
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  Speaker 5: bet out there, Minustery minus two and a half. I
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  Speaker 5: circle back, I'm like, man, this feels like a big
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  Speaker 5: trap game. They're going on the road coming off a
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  Speaker 5: tough loss against the Lions. The thing for DFS broad
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  Speaker 5: Slate Overview, we know three threes will be very, very
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  Speaker 5: popular today. I do think four to two rams might
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  Speaker 5: be a little more popular. I think it'll be pretty close.
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  Speaker 5: But I like five ones on both sides for sure,
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  Speaker 5: since I think they'll both be under owned if people
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  Speaker 5: want to go more balanced. When I noticed that captain
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  Speaker 5: five captains we have like ten percent and above, and
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  Speaker 5: then after that it seems pretty low ow. If you
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  Speaker 5: want to play a Jordan Atison to have some interest
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  Speaker 5: in a DeMarcus Robinson, a two to two at well,
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  Speaker 5: all of them will be relatively low own. It's gonna
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  Speaker 5: be Jets, it's gonna be Cooper Cup, it's gonna be
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  Speaker 5: both running backs and then Sam Darnold. I think you
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  Speaker 5: mentioned the quarterbacks if you like them both. I like
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  Speaker 5: them both too, and I came in planning on playing
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  Speaker 5: them both because they do they both have options to
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  Speaker 5: spread it out a good amounts. And if Jefferson does
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  Speaker 5: only get you like twenty points and Darnald goes for
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  Speaker 5: three hundred and three touchdowns, he probably is the guy
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  Speaker 5: up top instead of Jefferson at half the ownership there.
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  Speaker 5: So I do think I'm gonna be like who more
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  Speaker 5: concentrated at captain. I will mix in like the lower
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  Speaker 5: own pieces, will be skill positioned guys like DeMarcus, like Addison,
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  Speaker 5: like to to two guys that I still think have
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  Speaker 5: twenty plus point upside. But I don't think I'm gonna
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  Speaker 5: be playing like. I'm not going kickers, I'm not going defenses.
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  Speaker 5: I'm not playing the blake Korums, the ty Chandlers of
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  Speaker 5: the world there.
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  Speaker 6: I'll mainly be using them in the flex.
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  Speaker 5: And you definitely be saying all the time showdown, you
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  Speaker 5: can leave money another slate.
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  Speaker 6: You definitely can leave money, and I'll be doing that
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  Speaker 6: just that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I like that break down. A couple of things
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  Speaker 2: stand out and I'll say, first off, though people always
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  Speaker 2: wondering to you know how I if I like the slate,
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  Speaker 2: don't like the slate, I talk about it, tell you
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  Speaker 2: how it is. I would say this is a Goldilocks game,
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  Speaker 2: not too hot, not too cold, just right the way
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  Speaker 2: I think this slate would spice up a little bit,
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  Speaker 2: as if we did get Poop and nakoua in or TJ.
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  Speaker 2: Hawkinson or something, and then it really starts to flip
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  Speaker 2: around and some more tough decisions can be made. Other
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  Speaker 2: people have already made their lineups that could be behind
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  Speaker 2: on thought process or using value plays that may not
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  Speaker 2: be as good anymore, mixing up combinations of wide receivers
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  Speaker 2: that maybe they should be separating now, things like that.
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  Speaker 2: So definitely think there's a lot of process to this
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  Speaker 2: slate to see as the day goes on, We'll have
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  Speaker 2: you covered at ship at Nation, but Hoop, I'll go
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  Speaker 2: back to you. The other point title game that I
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  Speaker 2: really liked was the spread Like it does seem nuts,
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  Speaker 2: but I would expect to see a lot of three threes,
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  Speaker 2: a lot of four twos. Anywhere there's uncertainty, people will
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  Speaker 2: just go to the four. On the other side and
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  Speaker 2: the two on that not as many five ones and whatnot?
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  Speaker 2: Is there anything from that that you see, Like, how
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  Speaker 2: do you sort of see this game going here? Because
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  Speaker 2: the Vikings were really good till they lost the last one,
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  Speaker 2: but before that really solid.
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  Speaker 4: Uh.
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  Speaker 3: I kind of like the in the spot it does
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  Speaker 3: it does seem like a good spot for the Rams.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, getting Cooper cutback is it's massive like in
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  Speaker 3: we saw Obviously a lot of time has passed, but
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  Speaker 3: week one when they face the lines, like with Cooper
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  Speaker 3: cupp in there, it was a competitive game like he
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  Speaker 3: he changes the dynamic of this entire team. Kieran Williams
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  Speaker 3: has been good obviously, Matthew Stafford like so, I think
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  Speaker 3: it is a pretty good spot for the Rams. I
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  Speaker 3: think we do see a competitive, high scoring game within
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  Speaker 3: a touchdown and probably you know, fifty real life points.
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  Speaker 3: I think we get that tonight, which is very fun
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  Speaker 3: for fantasy purposes. So I'm going to be building like that.
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna be building a high scoring, competitive game. That's
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  Speaker 3: how my teams are going to look tonight. And just
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  Speaker 3: one other note, I mean, I guess it might be
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  Speaker 3: somewhat I don't know, it's probably still fifty to fifty,
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  Speaker 3: but I think TJ.
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  Speaker 4: Hockinson like might end up playing.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's definitely more like I don't want to
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  Speaker 3: harp on the injury stuff, but I do think like
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  Speaker 3: every projection side it has him like in, So I
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  Speaker 3: think there's a pretty solid chance that he does indeed play.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the news was out on him like a little
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  Speaker 2: earlier than the Puka stuff came out of the wind,
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  Speaker 2: and this was, you know, a week and what do
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  Speaker 2: they I think on October they activated him early earlier October.
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  Speaker 4: And so I was like this window thing, you get
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  Speaker 4: the twenty.
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  Speaker 2: Question and that's kind of the setup. We'll have to
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  Speaker 2: wait and see on that. I guy Kenny's in the
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  Speaker 2: chat earlier said Onslaught vikes zero belief in this Rams offense.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe a lot of talking here too, like our guy
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  Speaker 2: Naid's is on it Cup season. You know, new Ones,
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  Speaker 2: Cup gonna smash tonight, love Cup, Puka, smoke and mears.
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  Speaker 2: Like I said, I think a lot of people like
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  Speaker 2: Cup and they're excited to get him back tonight. Gerald.
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  Speaker 2: These are always out on my ex account, so the
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  Speaker 2: tidbits will be up later on. But just to note
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  Speaker 2: that I don't see much else in there, so we
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  Speaker 2: can get it right into it tight. I'll let you
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  Speaker 2: kick it off because whop alreadys you know mentioned how
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  Speaker 2: he's gonna be tighter at captain. You kind of equit him.
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  Speaker 2: Is there anything else you want to talk about? The
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  Speaker 2: one I would kick your way is the Aaron Jones stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Really good matchup nursing a hamstring thing said, But I
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  Speaker 2: mean he was fine, thirty five yard touchdown out of
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  Speaker 2: the gates in that tougher matchup last time, and then
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  Speaker 2: also sort of splits the difference. We know that on
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  Speaker 2: the Viking side the two most popular captains are going
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  Speaker 2: to be Sam Donald for the price savings and Justin Jefferson.
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  Speaker 2: So I think Aaron Jones a little bit interesting there
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  Speaker 2: as well. He'll get ownership, but it just seems like
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  Speaker 2: he's getting less than Donald and less than Jefferson.
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  Speaker 6: Go ahead, I love yeah, I love that.
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  Speaker 5: To start it off. Aaron Jones great out of the backfield.
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  Speaker 5: You saw him break in his hand, he looked. I mean,
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  Speaker 5: he's always beat up, so earlier, like the first half
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  Speaker 5: of the season and even any part of the regular season,
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  Speaker 5: you got to be mixing in your backup running backs
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  Speaker 5: and trying to limit his touches to some extent to
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  Speaker 5: keep him healthy in the playoffs.
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  Speaker 6: But he's minus one time to score.
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  Speaker 5: And what I like what you said most Justin Jefferson
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  Speaker 5: will probably be double his ownership roughly twenty percent captain
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  Speaker 5: or Sam Darnold might be ten percent, Aaron Jones might
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  Speaker 5: be ten percent. So you do leverage. That's like thirty percent.
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  Speaker 5: You're leveraging off the passing game. If Aaron Jones runs
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  Speaker 5: two in, he's minus one time to score. Absolutely loves
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  Speaker 5: starting with that. I'm gonna play Justin Jefferson. He's probably
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  Speaker 5: gonna be the highest on captain. He will be the
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  Speaker 5: highest owned captain. You guys know the drill. He's the
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  Speaker 5: best receiver in football. He should have a field day here.
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  Speaker 5: If you want to get underweight, it's a game theory,
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  Speaker 5: it's an ownership thing. Will not call you crazy.
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  Speaker 4: What I found.
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  Speaker 6: Interesting is Kien Williams.
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  Speaker 5: He's minus two twenty five to score, which is by
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  Speaker 5: far the best right here. Yes, he is expensive at
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  Speaker 5: eleven two, but I mean Jefferson's eleven eight. So it
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  Speaker 5: is hard playing both of them in the same team,
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  Speaker 5: especially if you do captain one of them. It is
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  Speaker 5: possible we'll get to value you talk about. But I mean,
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  Speaker 5: as much as I love Jefferson, he's six hundred more.
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  Speaker 5: Kyan Williams has double the touchdown prop. I like Kyt
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  Speaker 5: Williams a lot. I like Cooper Cup a lot too,
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  Speaker 5: but I think Kyn's my favorite captain with Aaron Jones.
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  Speaker 5: Jones because of the leveraging off Karen Williams only ten
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  Speaker 5: percent minus two twenty five to score getting all the
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  Speaker 5: running back touches. I'm hoping the running backs one of
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  Speaker 5: those two probably are on the optimal Give me Jefferson,
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  Speaker 5: I'm obviously playing Cup.
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  Speaker 6: If he's coming back, I expect him showcasing.
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  Speaker 5: What I take out of that is I expect him
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  Speaker 5: to be pretty much back to his full role. I
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  Speaker 5: think he maybe could have played last week as well,
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  Speaker 5: so I'm not very worried about that. And anytime you
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  Speaker 5: get Cup at ten percent in captain, we know his upside.
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  Speaker 6: First couple of weeks he absolutely went off.
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  Speaker 5: So outside of them, I'll let you mainly touch on
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  Speaker 5: the quarterbacks. I do plan on playing both of them,
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  Speaker 5: and you can staff multiple pass catchers.
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  Speaker 6: Three of them, maybe even four.
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  Speaker 5: There's cheap options, punt tight ends and stuff I throw
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  Speaker 5: in with them.
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  Speaker 6: The last ones.
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  Speaker 5: Jordan Addison's the main guy at seven K that I
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  Speaker 5: think I'll play at captain. Just a wide receiver too
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  Speaker 5: across from Jefferson that has all the upside in the world.
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  Speaker 6: They're double teaming Jefferson.
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  Speaker 5: If it's just an Addison day, why couldn't he be
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  Speaker 5: the highest score on the slate at seven K. When
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  Speaker 5: you do go there at captain, you can get very
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  Speaker 5: different leaving chunks of money, etc.
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  Speaker 6: So yeah, like DeMarcus Robinson two to two.
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  Speaker 5: Maybe I'll have a couple percent of them, but the
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  Speaker 5: main focus for me both running backs, both wide receiver ones, Addison,
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  Speaker 5: and I'll mix in quarterbacks.
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  Speaker 6: I do prefer Darnald.
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  Speaker 2: One thing I'll say before I kick it to hoop,
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  Speaker 2: just the Addison thing. I like that take. I think
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  Speaker 2: he needs have a big game, though, I think he
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  Speaker 2: needs two touchdowns almost. I wasn't gonna fully say it,
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  Speaker 2: but I think that's kind of what it's gonna be. Otherwise,
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  Speaker 2: I think it's a high possibility we see Darnald up top.
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  Speaker 2: You know, Jefferson's gonna get his you know he could
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  Speaker 2: have another pass to Aaron Jones or something like that.
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  Speaker 2: So if Addison has it, that's great, But it just
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  Speaker 2: feels like he's gonna need to have the big, big
• 14:27
  Speaker 2: game in order to be all the way at the
• 14:29
  Speaker 2: top with the totals. If it was a low scoring
• 14:31
  Speaker 2: game and you, for some reason see that, then yeah,
• 14:33
  Speaker 2: of course he can sneak in beat Jefferson. Let you
• 14:36
  Speaker 2: fit other stuff all those factors. But I see scoring
• 14:38
  Speaker 2: in this one mostly. That's how I try and look
• 14:40
  Speaker 2: at it, So I think for that that actually leads
• 14:42
  Speaker 2: me to think it's more possibly gonna be a guy
• 14:44
  Speaker 2: like Darnald spreading it around and Addison catches a piece
• 14:47
  Speaker 2: of that. So good call out, but made me think
• 14:49
  Speaker 2: of that. The other thing is Kenny mentioned it here. Hoop.
• 14:51
  Speaker 2: I'll kick this one to you because I saw two
• 14:54
  Speaker 2: stats today thinking to talk speaking of our guy Jerald
• 14:56
  Speaker 2: talking about the Tambo's tidbits. It's not gonna be in there.
• 14:58
  Speaker 2: I'll give it a year, but I think it's nine
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: touchdowns for Karen Williams already this season, so he's been
• 15:04
  Speaker 2: in the box a ton. Hence the prop that makes sense.
• 15:07
  Speaker 2: Price is factored in here. He's almost seventeen k we're
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: talking captains right now, sixteen to eight. And the other
• 15:11
  Speaker 2: thing I saw though is his pass catching has actually
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: gone down, even with injuries to all these pass catchers,
• 15:18
  Speaker 2: but his red zone usage is massive. He has I believe,
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: ten more red zone touches than the entire team combined
• 15:25
  Speaker 2: after him. That's how often they're giving it to him
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: in the red zone. So you talk about opportunity ceiling,
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: floor ceiling, all of that. Give me your thoughts on Kyroen,
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: and then give us your other captain's thoughts as as
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: we go through it here.
• 15:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, he's definitely running good with the touchdowns,
• 15:38
  Speaker 3: there's no doubt about it. But it's all it's an
• 15:41
  Speaker 3: opportunity based game, and he's going to continue to get
• 15:43
  Speaker 3: those opportunities. There's a drive at the end of last
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: game where they're using Blake Korm and they got down
• 15:49
  Speaker 3: to the one and they immediately bring Kyron in. They're
• 15:51
  Speaker 3: not going to let anyone else finish off these drives
• 15:54
  Speaker 3: in the end zone.
• 15:54
  Speaker 4: It's going to be Kyen Williams.
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: So the opportunity is going to continue to be there
• 15:59
  Speaker 3: for him, which I think is the most important point.
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: So Yeah, just love him because the multiple touchdown upside. Now, yes,
• 16:07
  Speaker 3: if he doesn't continue to get these touchdowns, the fantasy
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: scores aren't gonna.
• 16:11
  Speaker 4: Look that good.
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: But man, it doesn't look like the opportunity is going
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: anywhere else. Cooper, Cup, Aaron Jones, Jefferson, like you've talked about,
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: those are the main four the quarterback conversation I think
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: is interesting. I don't have a ton of interest in
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: Stafford just because I just don't see him spreading it around. Now,
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: if Nikua is in, all right, maybe I do consider
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: Stafford a little bit more because then you got Cup
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: and Pouka, you know, probably in the red zone. If
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: Pooka's in, I'm guessing it's gonna be in these high
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: leverage situations in the red zone, inside the twenty, that
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: sort of thing. So then maybe I would have a
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: little more of Stafford. But if Puka's out, I don't
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: have a ton of interest in Stafford because I think
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: it's probably Cup that gets there. I guess kind of
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: Sam Darnold the same thing, Like if TJ. Hockinson is in,
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: I have more interest in Sam Donald captain teams because
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: there's more options in terms of where he can throw
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: the ball in a higher likelihood for him, kind of
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: spreading it out a little bit. So I guess I'll
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: probably play Donald either way, but I'll probably play more
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: of Donald in the captain if Hockinson is in, and
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: then the Jordan Addison thing, just because he's like the
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: cheapest I probably want to go at captain. He does
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: have big playoffside, does have multiple touchdown upside, and the
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: teams will look a little bit different with that saving.
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: So outside the main four, Addison and then you know,
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: probably Donald, like I got I got to see when
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: I go to Bill, but they would be the next
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: two in line for me in the captain spot.
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So just twenty seven minutes ago, now it says
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: Rams wide receiver likely to play on Thursday Night Football.
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: In a promising development for the Rams wide receiver Poopkin
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: to Coo Upp, heears on track to return for Thursday
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: Night Football against the Minnesota Vike. So, you know, designated
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: a return from ir earlier in the week. Knee seems
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: to be progressing well. It sounds like there is a
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: possibility he could be back here tonight, Hoop. So that
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: would sort of go to your original point of maybe
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: it's Stafford at load of no ownership compared to the
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: other four captains in Darnald Jones, Jefferson, and Cup and
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: even Kyroen. To be honest, it's probably sixth in line
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: at that point. So any extra thoughts you wanted to
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: add on that one quick?
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean the reports, I don't know, it makes it.
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: It makes the game more interesting, Let's let's say that much.
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: And it makes it more interesting for fantasy when we're
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: waiting on news a lot of time in these primetime games.
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: I mean this year there hasn't been a top like
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: Week one when Christian McCaffrey was.
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: The surprise and active. We haven't had a lot of
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: that this season.
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: So James go too, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean there
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: was some indication there, but yeah, the news is good though.
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: It makes it.
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: You know, if you're on top of it, you're able
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: to analyze it and digest it could create.
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: A little bit of an advantage or adage.
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: So I'm excited that there's something that we're waiting on,
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: uh you know at this point of the day.
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just wondering if there's anything else. I couldn't find
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: too much more. We'll have to wait and see, but
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: it was, you know interesting. Nonetheless was to bring it
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: up more. We'll have to wait and see if someone
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: say five k on FanDuel.
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was just gonna check price. That would that
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: makes that makes a little interesting for sure.
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: DK.
• 19:26
  Speaker 6: Let's just talk quick.
• 19:27
  Speaker 5: If he isn't ten to six like he's priced like
• 19:29
  Speaker 5: he's normal Pooka coming off no injury cup eleven, Kyried
• 19:33
  Speaker 5: eleven two, Jets eleven eight.
• 19:35
  Speaker 6: I don't know how I can click that large field stuff.
• 19:38
  Speaker 6: I get it, you're going to click at Tampa we click.
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it would have to be I mean it would
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: be Stafford captain teams where twelve in the flex is
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: good enough or something like that, where where we think
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: it's like, you know, a non high scoring slate would
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: would be if you're building that that sort of way.
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: But it's it's.
• 19:59
  Speaker 6: Hard to pay six for a guy that you want
• 20:01
  Speaker 6: to fall from.
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: I know, I know, but you know we've seen those slates.
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: You know that. I brought up the Alvin Kamara thing.
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: He was the most expensive. He got twelve.
• 20:09
  Speaker 5: He was you know, you think fifty is getting put
• 20:11
  Speaker 5: on though twelve talling work in the fifties, the fifties
• 20:14
  Speaker 5: on the board.
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: Well, I know that's what I'm saying.
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: So the way, yeah, the way I'm doing, I probably
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: don't get there, but it is.
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: I mean, you're past.
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: I mean, if you're playing him, you're sacrificing Justin Jefferson shares,
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: you're sacrificing Aaron Jones shares, you're sacrificing Kyro Williams, you're
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: sacrificing Cooper cup shares. So he's got to outscore some
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: of those dudes. And yeah, it's probably a fade.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, get top man in the flex maybe, but you
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: know up top, no chance, Like it's just we'll see.
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: Think.
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the only way I could envision myself playing him
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: is a Matthew Stafford captain team if you think it's
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: a low scoring game.
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: And like again, now like twelve is good enough in
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: the flex.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: Did you have a comment on this one, Hoop, This
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: gets talked about all the time. Rams are act be
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: making calls trying to find a trade partner. They're going
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: to showcase him tonight like no other if they're trying
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: to trade them away.
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: That's one of those things that's just impossible.
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's impossible to know and like you know,
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: you really have to go in the heads of the
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: coaching staff and the GM and stuff like that.
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: I mean, it's just you just got it.
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: Gotta play him as if you think he's healthy and
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: I can't, can't really build on that sort of thing.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: Can go ahead, they.
• 21:26
  Speaker 6: Do it anyway. I mean if they want to win.
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: Stafford literally just looks at Cooper Cup anyway, like that's
• 21:31
  Speaker 5: the offense.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: So I was gonna say, it's the worst taking all
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: of football. Sorry to my boy new Ones. I love him,
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: but this is the thing. That's not why if he
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: gets feature tonight. Maybe it's a Stafford goodbye party that
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: he wants to feature him for that. Maybe it's because
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: they move the offense. Whatever, it just means he's going
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: to be more owned because people believe that. Please tell me,
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: where is the DeVante Adams trade party. Where's the DeAndre
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: Hopkins trade party. There's no such thing because you don't
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: need to have one. People know who Cooper Cup is.
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: If you're using them tonight, it's not because they're showcasing
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: the trade. It's because Cooper Cup's healthy. They want to
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: win the foototball game. So if you want to play
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: him jam him in. All I'm saying is it's a
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: very high chance he's gonna be over owned because people
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: are using that narrative to feed that way. And there's
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: just tons of other guys that we already talked about
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: that you can use them the site. I'll wait till
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: we get closer to Locke to get a better feel.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: We'll have it featured on the site. But I hope
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: that it makes someone like kyn be less owned. I
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: hope that it makes guys like Stafford and Aaron Jones
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: be less joaned in the captain spot. All that stuff.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: That's where you get you know that it's not a
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: tidbit though. It's just so the worst narrative in all
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: football because there's never there's never coming out parties for
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: guys that have been in the league for that many years.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: It's he there's a thing called a physical when they
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: get traded, they have to pass it. So they don't
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: even need to know if he's healthy. They just know
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: his name. They know what they need for their team
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: and what they're willing to trade. And if you haven't
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: seen this season, guys are getting these dudes for like
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: fourth round and fifth round picks, so it's not like
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: there's some high trade priority. It's just fixing up their
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: salary cap and everything that got going on their side.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: So nothing else for me to add a captain but title.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: I'll kick it back to you, who kind of just
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: gave his quarterback thoughts waiting for news seeing how it
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: plays out, how that work up top. Similar in the
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: flex obviously, but just your thoughts a quarterback and any
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: other thoughts you want to add at running back.
• 23:07
  Speaker 5: Well, I think I told myself I just got to
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: tail you at quarterback captain, so you just you're fine
• 23:11
  Speaker 5: with both of.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: Them back, I thought, who broke it down really well there,
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: I would prefer it more. I do agree with who
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: obviously less Stafford, because the situation with him is when
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: you already have guys like Kyron. Kyron could be his own.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: You could do a one to five tonight, just talking
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: roster construction quick. You could do a one five with
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: Kyron and five Vikings because Kyron could do if those
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: red zone opportunities pop up and it's just him and
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: it's expensive to fit him and cup et cetera. There's
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: a possibility of that. So I'm more fine with it
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: the way it would get spread around like that, so
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: it would be Stafford with a couple of guys run
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: it back on the other side or something like that.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: Darnld just fits to me because when you've got he
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: could check it down to Aaron Jones. Tons of work
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: to Jefferson, but it's still Jefferson's expensive to find his
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: way all the way to the top, and we're already
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: gonna have that in our portfolio anyway. Everybody is Addison
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: would spread it around any of those backups. And then
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: obviously if Hawkinson or even if he's not, Munt can
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: catch balls like you could still stack him up two
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: ways as well. He could run ten fifteen yards twenty
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: yards on the ground. That gets you another one and
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: a half two points three up top and the captain
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: at one point five x on two. So there's ways
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: to get to these guys, no problem. But I think
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna be tighter beyond that. The one guy we
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: didn't mention, and if you're done with I mean, you
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: can talk more on quarterback and running back, but I
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: don't have a lot of running back at all. But
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: one thing we didn't mention up top was two two
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: at well. Obviously this gets, this gets you know, got
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: a little bit if Nikua is in as they say,
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: and I just saw the latest one too, by the way,
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: they did add a caveat barring setback. So again we'll
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: wait for those warm ups inactives. We always post them
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: right away in our discord, so any members will have those.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: But yeah, that's just another thought there.
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: Title go ahead.
• 24:45
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and especially with the quarterbacks.
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: Last thing on that nine k for Stafford, nine to
• 24:49
  Speaker 5: four for Donald, Aaron Jones is nine to six. But
• 24:52
  Speaker 5: after that you're paying over one thousand more for Cup,
• 24:55
  Speaker 5: two thousand more for Jefferson. So even if Jefferson Cup
• 24:58
  Speaker 5: Kyron do outscore them raw points wise, if it's still
• 25:01
  Speaker 5: close that Donald and Stafford can get there. So quarterbacks
• 25:05
  Speaker 5: still are underpriced. And I definitely made the mistake early on.
• 25:09
  Speaker 5: I X too many quarterbacks captain and just jam Moore
• 25:12
  Speaker 5: skill position, and you've had me circle back. So yeah,
• 25:15
  Speaker 5: I'm good with both quarterbacks, prefer Darnald there too. Running
• 25:18
  Speaker 5: backs I'll mention for flets. Obviously, Aaron Jones and Khyro
• 25:22
  Speaker 5: in a great plays, but they both have very obvious backups.
• 25:27
  Speaker 5: And when I say very obvious, like Blake Korm is
• 25:29
  Speaker 5: the obvious backup.
• 25:30
  Speaker 6: But man Kyron snapsch here is so good.
• 25:32
  Speaker 5: Eighty six percent in week five, eighty nine, Week seven, ninety,
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: Week three, like.
• 25:37
  Speaker 6: Seventy nine's is lowest of any of the weeks. If
• 25:40
  Speaker 6: he is.
• 25:40
  Speaker 5: Out Blake like if he gets hurt or somehow Blake
• 25:44
  Speaker 5: Korm finds the box, he's plus four to seventy five.
• 25:46
  Speaker 5: He's good leverage and arrange that DeMarcus Robinson will clearly
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: be higher on at three K six hundred more. And
• 25:53
  Speaker 5: then it becomes even better at TJ. Howkinson's out, because
• 25:56
  Speaker 5: Johnny Munt at two point ak would then be a
• 25:59
  Speaker 5: lot more popular.
• 26:00
  Speaker 6: The value COREN four hundred less would be a pivot
• 26:03
  Speaker 6: right there.
• 26:03
  Speaker 5: So it feels really weird to say I like Korm
• 26:06
  Speaker 5: Moore if TJ. Hockinson's out, but because a lot of
• 26:09
  Speaker 5: ownership goes right in that range, he becomes a better pivot,
• 26:12
  Speaker 5: and pretty much the same thing you can say with
• 26:14
  Speaker 5: Ty Chandler, like I like Ty Chandler a lot more
• 26:16
  Speaker 5: than Aaron Jones even at or a lot more than
• 26:18
  Speaker 5: Blake Korn even at the price because of Aaron Jones
• 26:21
  Speaker 5: handy and just how much. He's been injured in the past,
• 26:25
  Speaker 5: but man, Aaron Jones outsnapped him. What was the snaps
• 26:28
  Speaker 5: last week? It was a lot more surprising than I thought.
• 26:31
  Speaker 5: Seventy two percent for Aaron Jones, eighteen percent for ty Chandler.
• 26:35
  Speaker 6: CJ. Ham mixed in a little bit too.
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: I don't know, man, it's not even like he's gonna
• 26:40
  Speaker 5: be low owned, because I think he's gonna be higher
• 26:42
  Speaker 5: on than the defenses.
• 26:44
  Speaker 6: De Marcus will be probably a little higher owned. I
• 26:46
  Speaker 6: don't know. I'll throw it back to you, Tam. I'll
• 26:48
  Speaker 6: play some ty Chandler. I don't love it though.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is the one they said korm was gonna
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: get touches and then it was like ninety seven to
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: three or something for Kyroen. That just don't tell that
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: like it's always different. Some coaches do tell the truth.
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: More of another good follow on X's coach Speak Index.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: You can pick up some tidbits on there and whatnot.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: But I will say there is something about the Kirene
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: thing that worries me a little bit more besides just
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: the touchdown regression and who maybe I'll kick it to
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: you on This is also the if it's the short
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: week they're coming off, they got cut back, they maybe
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: get Nikua back. There actually is reasons to take away
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: from him. And he's eleven two hundred even in the flex,
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: and I know you like that side, so you're gonna
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: already build your lineups accordingly. You're gonna have some of
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: him and Captain or you're gonna have you know, lineups
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: with him regardless. But got to just think about some
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: of that stuff, especially with Nikua coming back at least,
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: I think what's your thoughts at the running back position?
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: So yeah, obviously you got the clear plays in Jones,
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: in in Kiren.
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: I mean you're gonna want to get them in regardless.
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: I mean, no matter who's in or out, Hockinson, Pooka,
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: like you're gonna want to play those guys. I mean,
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: the workload is absolutely insane. The thing I just struggle with,
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: and again I haven't built teams and I'll be building
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: them after and as well be reflectly in the content
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: is like these back up running backs like they just
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: haven't been needed at all Showdown basically all season long.
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: And you know these guys are a little bit cheaper.
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: Thirty six for Todd Chandler Blake Korm twenty four. But like, really,
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: what is what is their upside? You know, what are
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: you hoping to get out of these guys?
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: It's like they have two guys in front of them
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: that could play all but a few staffs during this game,
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: and I don't know. They're still gonna get owned, like
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: Todd Chandler's gonna get some ownership, Korn's gonna get a little.
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: Bit and Ageah at the end of the day.
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: You know, maybe I do get some of these guys
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: because I need it to get more Jefferson Captain stuff
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: like that, but I don't love it. So I'm gonna
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: make sure if I do play them, it's gonna be
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: extremely capped. It's gonna be under under the field, like
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: they just the backup running backs just have not been
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: needed for Showdown, and they're they're at a disadvantage to
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: like the cheap wide receivers. I mean cheap wide receiver,
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: I mean you get three catches, you kind of get
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: three points. These backup running backs are coming in and
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: getting three carries, like you still have to do something.
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: So always more times than not to go side with
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: like the cheap wide receivers over these cheap running backs.
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: It's just they just haven't been needed all season long.
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the you know other question title I'll kick it
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: to you and you could take it to wide receiver
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: is like even I think the Garrindo slate for our
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: boy Hebrew Cheetah. Wasn't that a blowout and a Mason
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: injury and it still didn't get all the way to
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: the top. It was second best lineup. So it's like
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: you almost think.
• 29:28
  Speaker 5: I think Arrendo got there in the flex. I know
• 29:30
  Speaker 5: Rio had him. I could be wrong, I guess, but
• 29:32
  Speaker 5: I think he was on the.
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: Winner in the It was like one of the last
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: plays of the game, like.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: He'll know. But I'm almost positive Rio was gonna I apologize.
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: Rio was gonna have the third best lineup. He was.
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: He was happy it didn't cost him three hundred K
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: and it was like thirty K because he would have
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: the he had the third best lineup. I think he
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: only made you.
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: Think you're right because he had one hundred yard bonus
• 29:52
  Speaker 5: and he had negative two yards that ninety nine.
• 29:55
  Speaker 6: He went for a forty five.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because I was trying to I think, like Bigsby
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: in London. But to Hoop's point, that's all is going
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: off like you really haven't seen it. And I love
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: that call out that he had. It's like a backup
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: wide receiver, a random wide receiver that comes in could
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: be like a thirty yard catch for a touchdown. You're
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: all those points. You're ten points just on that. Even
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: when a backup running back comes in and just vultures
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: a touchdown, it's six and then it's like cause they
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: get nothing for the carry, they just walk it in
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: one yard, six there and change. So it's like that's
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: the setup where we haven't seen six pointers be needed.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: Or they get three carries for thirty yards three points.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: Those catches come with yards that Hoop's talking about. If
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: it's three for thirty, it's six points for the backup
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: widecerire Maybe not enough, but the point is they just
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: rack them up quicker. So I definitely think that's somewhat
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: interesting about it. And yeah, we've already had the talk.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: I know some people are joining us later because we
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: did go a half hour earlier today, but stay tuned
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: for that part. You'll get excited when you hear it's solid.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: I gave a really good take on that we you
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: probably heard it already title wide receivers, go ahead.
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: Wide receivers easy. On the Viking side, it's Jefferson, Addison, Naylor.
• 30:59
  Speaker 5: They run any widors three receiver sets is almost all
• 31:02
  Speaker 5: of them. I mean, Jefferson's the best receiver in football. Addison.
• 31:06
  Speaker 5: You get some leverage off of Jefferson, and I mean
• 31:09
  Speaker 5: he's priced fairly.
• 31:10
  Speaker 6: I definitely like him.
• 31:12
  Speaker 5: Naylor, he's the one that feels most definitely overpriced, and
• 31:15
  Speaker 5: that'll reflect an ownership like he could be sub ten percent.
• 31:19
  Speaker 6: I like him more.
• 31:20
  Speaker 5: I think if there's no Hockinson, because I think they'll
• 31:23
  Speaker 5: run more eleven personnel with Hockinson came back, I think
• 31:27
  Speaker 5: probably twelve personnel would be used more and then Naylor
• 31:30
  Speaker 5: would be off the field, so that would hurt him.
• 31:32
  Speaker 5: But regardless, I mean, like who doesn't like the back
• 31:36
  Speaker 5: of running backs, which totally makes sense. Overspending for a
• 31:39
  Speaker 5: low owned receiver I think also makes sense with Naylor,
• 31:42
  Speaker 5: and he's found the box before, so definitely makes sense
• 31:45
  Speaker 5: in like Darnel captain teams as well. I doubt I
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: see myself go Naylor up top rams side. I mean
• 31:52
  Speaker 5: it's interesting without with Cooper cup coming back Winnington Also
• 31:55
  Speaker 5: he's out. I mean, damn near was out last week
• 31:58
  Speaker 5: as well. We're in a couple of routes. Everyone knows
• 32:00
  Speaker 5: the story about Week seven. But with Cooper Cup back,
• 32:04
  Speaker 5: like everyone is just expecting, and I think probably the
• 32:07
  Speaker 5: case is it's DeMarcus Cooper and to two and three
• 32:10
  Speaker 5: receiver sets. But Cooper runs a lot of his routes
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: out of the slot. Tyler Johnson's more of like an
• 32:16
  Speaker 5: outside receiver. So I'm definitely gonna be playing some Tyler Johnson,
• 32:20
  Speaker 5: and I'm not convinced like it's just gonna be DeMarcus
• 32:24
  Speaker 5: two to Cooper Cup getting eighty plus percent of the
• 32:26
  Speaker 5: snaps and Tyler Johnson getting pretty much nothing.
• 32:29
  Speaker 6: I know last week was different.
• 32:30
  Speaker 5: There wasn't Whittington, but Tyler Johnson outsnapped two to ninety
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: one percent, seventy eight percent, fifty to forty three. Very
• 32:37
  Speaker 5: interesting stuff, especially when you're looking at a big, big
• 32:41
  Speaker 5: ownership discount. So I'll be playing four and again I'm
• 32:44
  Speaker 5: assuming Cooper Cup or Pookah's out for all this. If
• 32:46
  Speaker 5: Pookah's in, then you probably don't get to Tyler Johnson.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: Man, I really hope assume he's in now with these reports,
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: unless still not in.
• 32:56
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't know. I'm still was it just Tom?
• 32:59
  Speaker 6: Was it just the one report? As Chefter said anything.
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: There's a couple people. I think it's pretty I think
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: it is.
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: Yeahif fifty at worse, Honestly, I think it's a heart
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: real yeah, And I don't know.
• 33:11
  Speaker 5: I guess I'll throw it back, like if he plays,
• 33:14
  Speaker 5: I don't think he's going to be close to one
• 33:15
  Speaker 5: hundred percent.
• 33:16
  Speaker 6: He hardly practice. This all came on lads, temmy.
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: If you guys think if he plays, he gets that
• 33:22
  Speaker 5: and then because that's huge with what to do with
• 33:23
  Speaker 5: like a Tyler Johnson.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: Well, that's why I was what I was trying to say,
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: and you just sort of let into it there. That's perfect,
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: Is what I'm saying. Is I hope he's back because
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: I hope this report is true, because then I'm still
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: interested in those guys. I'm not gonna just leave them
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: out of my pool now, and I hope others do
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: because that would be the upside there is if people
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: just say, well, if he's back, he must be healthy
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: enough to play and let's roll him. It's just he
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: literally just got back but they did say he was
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: ready to come back. That's why they activated him to
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: be ready to come so to show up and come
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: back to the team. So I would just say, I'm
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: not seeing any other reports, but I see at least
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: two reports about it, and the last one caveatd it
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: with barring a setback. So we'll have to wait and
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: see what happens in warm. But if you're already happy
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: to be building with those guys anyway, which I am,
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: then it's not I'm not gonna have to change anything
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: with or without. I mean good shape if he's out.
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: Last second, I mean good shape if he's in, because
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: I still think those guys are gonna be involved and
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: still be in the mix tonight, So hoop. I don't
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: know if you want to have anything else to add
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: to that, but even assuming he's in, I still have
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: interest in those guys behind him.
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean I kind of agree with with
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: what you guys have laid out at this position. The
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: Viking side, it's very easy. Jefferson Addison Naylor, and I
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: like Naylor because he's kind of an unknown and he's
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: priced up a little bit too at sixty two hundred,
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: which should keep his ownership and check great play for
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: those Donald Captain teams. You've gone Donald Captain. I think
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: Naylor is a great guy to include in there, but
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: I'll be playing him regardless. And then on the Rams side,
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: obviously Cooper cup Nicky is going to be very difficult
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: to click at ten six if he does play, But
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: I'll be playing the other guys regardless too, to Robinson
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: and and Tyler Johnson. So I really don't have much
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: more to add on. I agree with what you guys
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: have said so far.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: All right, I'm with you take it into tight end then,
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: because we talked about the Hawkinson thought and you feel
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: pretty comfortable with him. I think at least you know
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: you can talk if this then that. But Parkinson on
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: the other side popular last week, Hawkinson if he's in
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: or out, and then Johnny Munt the punt he's in
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: there at twenty eight hundred. Any thoughts of the tight
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: end position.
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So, I mean, you know, these are prices that
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: we probably need in our lineups. Like Parkinson kind of
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: busted last week. He was popular, but at forty four
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: hundred with a lot of high end guys, you're gonna
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: have to play some of him, and again, to me,
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: it doesn't matter whether Pookahs in or out. I'm gonna
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: have Parkinson at forty four hundred. The Viking side is
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: I guess somewhat interesting. Hockinson sounds like he's back. Like
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: if Hockinson is out, Month probably ends up being what
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: one of the more popular plays on the slate at
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: twenty eight hundred by far, I mean the very clear
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: standout value.
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: Which you don't have a ton of right now.
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: So if I somehow Hawkinson is out, then Month becomes
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: very popular twenty eight. But if Hawkinson's in, I still
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: have interest in Months, So I'm kind of hoping Hockinson's
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: in and then I can still play mon. I mean,
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: he's gonna have a role. Hackkinson's not coming back to
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: one hundred percent snaps. There are scenarios where they use
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: both of them.
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: So I like Month regardless, and then you have like
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: a bunch of cheap dudes that you could potentially play
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: Oliver long Allen. I want to avoid most of that stuff,
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: to be honest with you, So these tight ends are
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: kind of necessary, like we need these prices in our line.
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: That's Parkinson at four to four.
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: Hockinson you know, probably better suited for Darnold captain teams.
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: Uh, you know, I don't know.
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: It's hard to know what his workload's going to be
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: coming back, and then I'm in a month regardless Hockinson's
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: in months, probably a low O play.
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: If Hawkinson's out, month's going to be very popular.
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with that, and I think you know
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: the Parkinson's side too. You can talk about it, you know,
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: just in the flex with or without a stafford and
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: you still use him. He's forty four hundred priced right
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: there with the Kickers I think are five and fifty
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: four hundred on this slate, so you know, something to
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: be said for that. I don't know how title if
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: you remember this from it was either like last year
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: or the year before, Hawkinson's gonna play limited snaps. He's
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: only gonna play when we need him, and then he
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: had ten catches ten catch I.
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: Do remember that. Yeah, that was very painful.
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: What do you think about that title? And then any
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: other thoughts at the tight end position?
• 37:28
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I would.
• 37:28
  Speaker 5: I would take it because I'm gonna play howk because
• 37:30
  Speaker 5: he's sandwich right in between both kickers five four five
• 37:34
  Speaker 5: k Like you mentioned hots five to two gonna project
• 37:37
  Speaker 5: worse than them. So it's just natural right there. You
• 37:39
  Speaker 5: really could only need one touchdown and that could outscore
• 37:43
  Speaker 5: the kickers. You obviously want a little more. But yeah,
• 37:45
  Speaker 5: I hope that's the case. And again, if he's out,
• 37:47
  Speaker 5: Johnny Munz would be very popular value and Josh Oliver
• 37:52
  Speaker 5: would also be fine.
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 37:54
  Speaker 5: I agree with a lot of hoops said like Parkinson's
• 37:56
  Speaker 5: good on that side. Someone did ask about like thoughts
• 37:58
  Speaker 5: on Long. There's also Davis Allen. Those guys are definitely
• 38:02
  Speaker 5: gonna be in my pool. The more teams you build,
• 38:04
  Speaker 5: I think they should be. If they're only playing a couple,
• 38:07
  Speaker 5: you don't necessarily need it. But I just don't see
• 38:10
  Speaker 5: any real plays sub one k then Hunter Long and
• 38:14
  Speaker 5: Davis Allen both tight ends. They did get on the field.
• 38:17
  Speaker 5: You can tell me if you see any other plays
• 38:19
  Speaker 5: down there. But last week, sixteen snaps for Long, twelve
• 38:22
  Speaker 5: snaps for Allen is one catch or two catches enough
• 38:26
  Speaker 5: more slates than not.
• 38:27
  Speaker 6: It has not been enough down here.
• 38:29
  Speaker 5: But if Jefferson goes off for forty, Cooper Cup gets
• 38:31
  Speaker 5: you thirty, whatever it may be, and it's a Stars
• 38:33
  Speaker 5: and Scrubs and the mid tier kind of bus. Maybe
• 38:37
  Speaker 5: that's when two or three is enough for Allen. Again,
• 38:39
  Speaker 5: it hasn't worked on the stuff. But really, if you
• 38:41
  Speaker 5: want cheap plays down here, it's really backup tight ends.
• 38:45
  Speaker 6: Like, it's not Ronnie Rivers.
• 38:46
  Speaker 5: It's not Brandon Powell, it's not Cody Schrader, it's Allen,
• 38:50
  Speaker 5: it's Oliver, it's long and good luck.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I actually I think tonight comes all down to
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: which a lot of slaves do. But like specifically about
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: these punts we're talking about, Tonight's gonna to me, it
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: all comes down to roster construction and money left on
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: the table. I just don't eat like a Davis Allen
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: will pop and show up a little bit because he's
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: two hundred bucks. Obviously that's more likely to make something
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: work than a twenty eight hundred dollars month. Even though
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: we like Munt and just talked about. My point is
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: it's what you said, sixteen snaps they're getting, then they
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: gotta get a catch. Then they got a catch or two,
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: get one that's valuable enough and all of this. And
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: the thing about a guy like that tonight is it
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: only fits in the same lineup everybody else has with
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: that same person, Like, you're not necessarily gonna get a
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: unique Davis Allen lineup because a lot of them are
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: gonna fit Cop kyn Justin, Jefferson, Darnold and wherever you land.
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: And so there's gonna be enough of those combinations that
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: it doesn't really unlock as much for me as what
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: you might think. So, yeah, I have a lot less
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: interest in that tonight, and I'm more like on the
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: hoop side with or you mentioned it too, But like
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: if Hawkinson's in, I'm in on him, but I would
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: still play Munt Even though Hawkinson's in, I'm not gonna
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: go away from it. It actually just makes them so he's
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: probably lower owned, and I'm still gonna have more interest
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: in the kickers. People you know continuously hate on it
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: and say it ruin Showdown and all this. It's like
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: literally the game that we play. You know how it works.
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: You know the quality or no quality of these quarterbacks.
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: Things break down, the defenses aren't good enough to stop
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: them in areas they can kick field goals from sixty
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: yards away now, So I'm not sure why it's so
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: confusing and mind blowing to everybody, every slate when kickers
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: just kick fifty yarders all day. It's what they do
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: for a living. So I'm gonna keep playing them if
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: they're gonna keep pricing them this way, same way I
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: play quarterbacks up top if they're not gonna price them
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: at ten, five hundred and twelve thousand and whatever. They
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: have the ball every possession, essentially either handing it off
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: or throwing it, they get the most touches. It's a
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: fantasy game. So yeah, I'm interested in these kickers still
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: a little bit more. But I like your Hawkinson call
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: specifically just because he splits the difference on the two
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: kickers title, So I do kind of like that as well.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: The Vikings kicker is getting tocked up, new Ones is
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: back with a good take all of a sudden. Yeah,
• 40:52
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so yeah, defense, I'll be kind of doing the
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• 42:24
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  Speaker 3: obviously ours as well, and you know, we're showing relatively
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: close ownership between both of these kickers, and I think
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• 42:38
  Speaker 3: four hundred. Yes, I don't understand. Is it because people
• 42:41
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• 42:44
  Speaker 3: to be an absolute stud, like he has not missed
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: all season long. He yeah, maybe it is Riker or yeah,
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: I don't know, maybe someone in the check And I
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: don't know. I did watch the Viking Lions Viking games.
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: I should should know, but yeah, I'm I'm with I'm
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: going for shards. I have no idea, but fifteen sixteen, fifteen, sixteen, seven, twelve, eleven, like,
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: so he's been double digits four or five has not
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: missed yet this year.
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: Like, man, if the ownership is going to remain relatively
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: close between the two, I'm going with what are we saying, Ricord.
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: We say will rocket We're going back to the NHL,
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: will rocket for He's going to crush for us.
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: I love it.
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: I love that. Actually our guy would know, our guy
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: would know. He goes Tambo's correct, what is it right?
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 43:43
  Speaker 5: He typed it out like he probably said it out loud,
• 43:45
  Speaker 5: like this type.
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: And like a record, he keeps typing x.
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: So record.
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: I'm hoping the ownership remains close between the two because
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: I'm going I'm definitely going big on our guy, Riker.
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: I mean, it hasn't missed this year. He's got a
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: big leg, four or five double digit fantasy point games.
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: And the other dude, I'm definitely gonna play him too.
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: But man again, I don't look at you don't need
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: to go and look at the game logs and the
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: box scorers, but I do for kickers because I want
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: to see, like are they getting opportunities? Oh for one,
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: oh for all, didn't kick one in Week five, made
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: four out of five, so that was this one good
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: Week fifteen. But that's the only time he's been over
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: double digits all season long. So I'm gonna play both,
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: but I have a strong preference to our guy Riker Nice.
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: I just got another screenshot here from my guy Danny Pettiford.
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: I'll let kay Gould get off the hook where I'm
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: gonna screenshot this one. Tambo is correct, another one, man.
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: I just keep finding them. They're setting themselves up for
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: success here title anything you want to add at Kickers
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: and D's or anything else you want to talk about
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: with that, if not any other thoughts on the slate.
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: Now that you sort of put all the pieces together.
• 44:57
  Speaker 5: We're showing twenty percent or less than all four of them.
• 44:59
  Speaker 5: I would surprised of Pickers a little bit higher on,
• 45:02
  Speaker 5: but still all very fair price tags, a bunch of upside.
• 45:06
  Speaker 5: How do we not go Riker nowadays? So after all that,
• 45:09
  Speaker 5: so definitely in on him, and defenses are just low owned.
• 45:12
  Speaker 6: They're pivots down there.
• 45:13
  Speaker 5: If you don't like backup tight ends, if you don't
• 45:14
  Speaker 5: like Blake Korham, if you don't like Ty Chandler, well
• 45:17
  Speaker 5: you got to say money somewhere, you're probably gonna be
• 45:19
  Speaker 5: clicking on one of those defenses then, so they'll be
• 45:22
  Speaker 5: in the pool.
• 45:23
  Speaker 6: I'll be playing all four like usual.
• 45:25
  Speaker 5: Final thoughts, Well, I came into the show making Puka
• 45:28
  Speaker 5: and TJ. Hockinson weren't going to play. Leaving the show,
• 45:31
  Speaker 5: it sounds like I guess the lean is they do
• 45:34
  Speaker 5: both play. Regardless that Pooka plays, I'm not gonna play
• 45:37
  Speaker 5: him in the flex or the captain unless Sean McVay
• 45:40
  Speaker 5: literally came out and said Puka is one hundred percent
• 45:42
  Speaker 5: ready to go, he's normal. If that's the case, I
• 45:45
  Speaker 5: would lean into it at low ownership. I don't see
• 45:47
  Speaker 5: that being the case. Hockinson stuff more important, Johnny Muttin
• 45:52
  Speaker 5: would become very very popular down there. If Hockinson does play.
• 45:56
  Speaker 5: I like them sandwich in between the kickers then the
• 45:59
  Speaker 5: Puka stuff also, like if he's out, I feel even
• 46:02
  Speaker 5: better about Tyler Johnson as wide receiver four with the
• 46:05
  Speaker 5: other guys. But even if he's in, I will mix
• 46:07
  Speaker 5: and match them like you said, but again three three
• 46:09
  Speaker 5: is very popular. Four to both sides. We'll get some ownership.
• 46:13
  Speaker 5: Five ones I will be embracing and then always leave
• 46:15
  Speaker 5: money on the table and show Now, yeah, I.
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: Like the onslaughts a little bit more tonight because it
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: is easy just to go four two or three three.
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: You know that if McVeigh comes out and says I
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: might go the opposite, we've already established McVay is a
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: certified liar. So maybe if he says he's one hundred percent,
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: I'm out. If he says Pooka is probably only gonna
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: play a little bit, you know, we're just getting them
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: back into the swing of things. Maybe boost him up,
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: you know, I gotta play. We got a rocket ship logo,
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: we got Will rocket Rashard, we got Will Rekers ownership.
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: Gonna rock it up after the show. I might have
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: to rock it him up right up to the Captain
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: slot oop, and this is the guy put the man
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: on the moon. What do you think?
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: Definitely shipping it for us tonight. I mean, we gotta
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: get Will Reiker is getting the job done for the
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: chip in Nation community tonight.
• 46:57
  Speaker 4: I'm with you.
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: Man said he's a beast. Everyone else is in on him,
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: So I like that call.
• 47:03
  Speaker 4: I think that's yeah, to be honest.
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: I mean, just looking at it, people don't dig into
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: kickers all that deep. They're saying he's fifty four hundred,
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: that they're seeing this CARDI dude at five k and
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: man if it's going to be close in ownership, like yeah,
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: give me our guy rekerd all day long.
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Kicker captain works in a game like this. Yeah,
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: I like that. Call nads before we get to the
• 47:25
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• 48:07
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  Speaker 2: All right, hoop anything else you want to add or
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• 49:23
  Speaker 3: To FanDuel Men So FanDuel, the pricing is i'd say.
• 49:29
  Speaker 4: Much softer compared to DK.
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: We do have Jefferson at sixteen k and then Carol
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: Williams at fifteen to five, but after that it is
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: very soft. Donald at fourteen thousand, that's very cheap, Aaron
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: Jones at twelve very cheap. Cooper Cup at twelve thousand,
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: very very cheap. So like Donald Jones, Cup, I would
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: say very underpriced. Jordan Addison at eleven so only one
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: thousand dollars cheaper than Cup and Aaron Jones. I have
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: to imagine Addison probably doesn't get much ownership because of
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: how closely priced he is the next group of guys.
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: Uh our guy Rocket Rashard Riker Rocket Riker eighty five hundred.
• 50:09
  Speaker 4: Cardi is also eighty five hundred.
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: So another situation there where you know, we're just we're
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: riding with We're riding with Riker tonight, and eighty five
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: hundred for kickers, that's not bad coming down a little bit, Naylor,
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: seventy five hundred stands out as a cheap play, but yeah, overall,
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: just say it's much softer pricing over here than on DraftKings.
• 50:31
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• 50:35
  Speaker 2: my line. So yeah, it's certainly true. I don't like
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: their format. I've been, you know, on record plenty of
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: times with that. But by the way, stepping it up
• 50:42
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• 50:44
  Speaker 2: having some fun with it so far already, I mean,
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• 50:52
  Speaker 2: Any final thoughts from you on this slate before we
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: get out of here, Well.
• 50:55
  Speaker 5: Fando Puka is five K two, so talk about soft
• 50:58
  Speaker 5: if Puka is in I mean leave chunks and chunks
• 51:02
  Speaker 5: of salary. Fade Pooka do something like that to get different.
• 51:05
  Speaker 5: Defenses will be lower owned on FanDuel, even a wider
• 51:09
  Speaker 5: gap from Kickers. So if you want to get different there, TJ.
• 51:12
  Speaker 5: Hockinson feels expensive if he plays nine k if you
• 51:15
  Speaker 5: want to lean into that other than that, yeah, I
• 51:17
  Speaker 5: agree with what Hoop said and oh final thoughts talked
• 51:20
  Speaker 5: about the five ones if you want to get different,
• 51:22
  Speaker 5: leaving chunks of money. But I personally, usually I don't
• 51:25
  Speaker 5: build into actives anyway, some weeks I do because it's
• 51:29
  Speaker 5: pretty obvious.
• 51:29
  Speaker 4: Today.
• 51:30
  Speaker 5: Personally I won't be because this Hockins and Pooka stuff
• 51:33
  Speaker 5: is very very important. But if you think they both
• 51:36
  Speaker 5: play build like that can always adjust. Tamba always takes
• 51:39
  Speaker 5: the discord whenning actives are out, which is very helpful.
• 51:41
  Speaker 6: I appreciate that, Tampa.
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, of course this is interesting, justin coming in with
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: the goods man. Nothing about this guy, oh captain, Oh,
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: captain man, this guy's been hanging out with Sidney Sweeney.
• 51:51
  Speaker 4: Man.
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: This guy's really getting the job done. So let's see
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: if you can do it again tonight. We'll talk about
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: that more over in the discord. We'll have it up
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: on the site with all the content that goes up,
• 51:59
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• 52:01
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• 52:02
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• 52:05
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• 52:16
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• 52:32
  Speaker 2: before we get out of here.
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, one final thing that I was just thinking about.
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: So if Pookah's in and TJ. Hawkinson, I mean, we
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: don't have a ton of stable value now. We had
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: talked about a wide receiver where you know, we're fine
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: still playing those rams cheap wide receivers, but there's a
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: lot of risks there, so maybe like these high end
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: captain guys like Jefferson and Cupp, their ownership comes down
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: because there's really not a ton of value. So it's
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: one thing to know going into night and going into
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: too roster construction, but it does make it, you know,
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: more interesting and provides a potential edge.
• 53:06
  Speaker 4: Definitely, so excited for this game.
• 53:07
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• 53:12
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• 53:13
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• 53:15
  Speaker 2: Yep, that's the plan. It's gonna be good. Check our guys,
• 53:17
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• 53:19
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• 53:21
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• 53:27
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