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Deepak Chopra’s Epstein Emails and the Wellness World’s Accountability Problem (Part 1) (5/20/26) · The Vault: The Epstein Files

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Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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Epstein Chronicles. One of the things about Jeffrey Epstein and
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the company that he kept is that a lot of
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those people resided in ivory towers. They're the kind of
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people that will tell the rest of us how to
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live our lives, what we should do, where we should go,
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what we should eat, what kind of music to listen to,
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what shows to watch. And that's during the day, but
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at night, when they're mass slips, that's when the bachan
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all of debauchery begins. And in this episode, we're going
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to focus on Jeffrey Epstein and his relationship with Deepak Chopra.
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And to do that, we have an article from Salon headline,
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Deepak Chopra, Jeffrey Epstein and those Q girl emails. This
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article was authored by Nicole Carlis. In July twenty sixteen,
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best selling author and wellness guru what the fuck does
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that even mean? Wellness Guru Deepak Chopra contacted Jeffrey Epstein,
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the wealthy financier and convicted sex offender, to thank them
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for his hospitality by email. Chopra wrote that he was
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glad that the philanthropist Barnaby Marsh had introduced them in person.
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Chopra added that he was grateful for what he saw
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as the beginning of a friendship. After Epstein was already convicted.
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Mind you, this dude's out here, John about how great
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of a time he's having with the diddler himself. Within
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a few weeks this new friendship deepened. They exchanged gossipy
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emails about Epstein's friendship with Donald Trump and Marlon Maples,
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Trump's second wife. Epstein recounted a story about losing a
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ten thousand dollars bet to Trump and about a friend
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of Maples who was rumored to have used high hill
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shoes as sex toys. What the fuck high hill shoes like?
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Not for nothing? A dildo doesn't do the trick. Not
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to get too far off subject here, but I've never
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understood this. You see these stories of people that go
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to like the emergency room with a mayonnaise jar up
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their ass. Buddy, what are you doing? Go to the
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sex store and get yourself the proper object. Choprah responded,
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nothing human is foreign to me, attributing that to a
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Roman poet whose name I forget. Paraphrase slightly. The quotation
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is actually from the Roman playwright Terrence. Anything we share
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is between us, Chopra wrote to Epstein later that same July.
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I share nothing with anyone, but trust you. Imagine trusting
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Jeffrey Epstein. Buddy, don't you have the Internet, Deepak Chopra,
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wherever you live, whatever cave you're dwelling in, whatever billion
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dollar mansion you live in, whatever it might be. If
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you guys don't have the news there because everybody knew
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at that point that Jeffrey Epstein was a sick, fucking degenerate,
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and anybody's still spending time with them, Well, I have
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to question you as a fellow traveler. To three and
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a half million Epstein files so far released by the
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Department of Justice, Chopra's name appears more than thirty three
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hundred times. Since duplicate messages frequently recur in different places
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in the Epstein files, the actual number of messages between
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Chopra and Epstein is somewhat less than that. What the
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numerous emails and texts between the two men suggest is
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an intimate and affectionate relationship that went beyond the business
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or financial connection. And that was Epstein, him and all
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his little buddies all these so called elites breaking bread,
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enjoying his largesse, and some of them enjoying a whole
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lot more. Guess who wasn't enjoying themselves though, that's right
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the survivors. While they came from very different backgrounds and
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professional trajectories Epstein from the world of high finance and
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Chopra from New Age philosophy, spirituality and medicine, the two
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seem to enjoy discussing the nature of consciousness and the
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other of truth topics. They shared an unexplained inside joke,
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referring multiple times to the Tiger. Their exchanges suggest that
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Chopra visited Epstein's homes in New York and Palm Beach,
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locations where some of Epstein's abuse or apparent criminal acts
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took place. There's no evidence that Choprah was aware of
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Epstein's criminal abuses, but on at least five occasions, as
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documented in the FBI files, Chopra mentioned Epstein's girls and
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apparent reference to young women who frequently accompanied Epstein. How
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Choprah perceived or understood these women's relationship to Epstein is
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not clear. Oh, well, he'll tell you he had no idea.
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They were just girls that were around Jeffrey Epstein, because
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you know, Epstein was such a casanova, such a hunk.
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I'm sure that all the women out there listening to
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the podcast would just love to have a guy like Epstein.
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I mean, don't women love ear lobes that run all
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the way down somebody's head like a sideburn. Almost everyone
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reading this has already heard a Chopra, who is one
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of the biggest names in the New Age movement and
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the wellness based Some might argue he's America's top well
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being expert. The seventy nine year old physician and bestselling
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author has published more than ninety books. Frequently described as
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a guru, Choprah has served as a spiritual advisor to
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some of the biggest celebrities in the world, including Elizabeth
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Taylor and Michael Jackson. What No r Kelly No Diddy?
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Choprah Todd Jackson meditation at Neverland, the late singers California
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home where Jackson was alleged to have sexually abused at
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least two young boys. There's no evidence that Choprah observed
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any impropriety during his friendship with Jackson. I know people
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have a lot of heated opinions about Michael Jackson one
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way or the other. But I don't know enough about
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the case to give you an opinion. I have no idea.
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But the allegations that were made are concerning Oprah. Winfrey,
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one of Chopra's or as champions and business partners, gave
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him a huge boost with TV appearances in the early nineties.
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In twenty twenty one, Chopra and Winfrey launched a meditation
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course together. Chopra's website says he's on a mission to
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create a more balanced, peaceful, joyful, and healthier world. Imagine
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spitting that bullshit after hanging out with Epstein, being Epstein's buddy. Yeah,
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you want to make a healthier world. What do you
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mean by that? Is a world that's easier for you
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to abuse? Right? Is that what you mean? His teachings,
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Choprah has said aim to guide people to embrace their
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strength and potential for both personal and societal growth. Well,
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it didn't seem to work on Epstein, did it. And
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let me just be very clear. Spiritual guides, gurus, all
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these people, life coaches, fugazy frauds, snake oil salesman, and
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in my opinion, Choprah is certainly one of them. There's
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nothing in the Epstein files to suggest that Choprah was
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involved in Epstein sex crimes or knew about them, but
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for many observers, the embarrassing details of their friendship raise
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larger questions that have less to do with Chopra than
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with the nature of the New Age wellness industry as
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a whole. To the extent that New Age spirituality is
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built on liberating the self from all constraints, as well
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as spreading universal love and positive vibrations, critics suggest it
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may have helped create an environment where abusers like Epstein
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can thrive. Yo, I don't know anything about the spiritual movement,
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so everything I talk about will be surface level. I'm
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not going to sit here and make pretend I know
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about chakras and you know, retrograde venus or whatever the
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fuck people talk about. I have no idea. I'm just
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some dumbass from the South Bronx. A few months after
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their friendship began, in a November twenty sixteen email included
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in the FBI files, Epstein Sanchopra a link to a
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Deli mail art article about a troubled woman who claimed
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that she had been assaulted by Donald Trump when she
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was thirteen years old at a party hosted by Epstein.
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The article reported that those allegations had not been substantiated,
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and that the woman's lawsuit against Trump was dismissed. Did
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she ever drop civil case against you, Chopra asked. Epstein
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responded with one word, yep, Choprah, good yo. I have
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to tell you there is zero chance in the world
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I'd be associating with somebody like Jeffrey Epstein. Hanging out
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with diddlers goes against my moral code. You know, everybody
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has their own private code, right, Well, mine does not
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include associating with anyone who diddles people. And that's the
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end of it. No exceptions, no excuses. Over the following
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year that to continue to exchange greetings, ideas, and invitations.
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In February twenty seventeen, Chopra invited Epstein by evil to
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attend a course the following month called Journey into Healing.
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Chopra added that he would also be leading a week
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long retreat that June at a Canadian resort. He wrote
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BAF presumably meaning BAF Alberta, and said the girls might
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enjoy it. Whatever that means, What the hell does that
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mean and look, I don't want to come off with
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some prude. I'm not. I don't care what you do
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in your life. I don't care what anyone does. As
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long as everybody involved is consenting, and as long as
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that occurs, it is not my business. I have a
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funny feeling some of these girls, if not all of them,
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were not consenting. In another email a few days after
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that one, Chopra invited Epstein to come to Israel with
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us to relax and have fun with interesting people. He
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suggested that Epstein might use a fake name and bring
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your girls. In April, Chopra emailed Epstein while on his
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way from Los Angeles to Saudi Arabia, describing a female
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friend as v sweet like your girls, adding an emoji
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with hearts fries. In November twenty seventeen, he extended another
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invitation to Ebstein and his girls, adding a prayer hands emoji,
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suggesting that they attend Choprah's workshop in Switzerland. Oh that's
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going to launch people into orbit the Israel story here. Oh,
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people are going to run with that. What are they
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going to Israel for? And look, good question, what are
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they going to Israel for? In early February twenty twenty six,
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after the large scale release of most of the FBI's
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material on Epstein, Chopra released a statement on X denying
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involvement in any criminal or exploitative conduct during his friendship
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with Epstein. He described his contact with the convicted sex
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trafficker as limited and unrelated to any abuse of activity.
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What are these emails about girls? I guess you were
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just talking, you know, guys stuff, right, Well, it would
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be one thing if you were sending the emails to
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somebody who wasn't a convicted sex offender. Whold different story
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when you send him to Epstein. In July of twenty eighteen,
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a text message exchange, Choprah suggested that Epstein might enjoy
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meeting his son in law, a venture capitalist, but added
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in parentheses, can't talk about girls. It seems like in
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every single email it's about girls. Girls. This girls, that
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everything's about girls. By the time Choprah and Epstein first met,
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Ebstein was a registered sex offender who had been convicted
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in two thousand and eight on two counts of soliciting
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a minor for a prostitution and had served a brief
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sentence in Palm Beach County Jail. The full extent of
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Epstein's a parent sex trafficking network did not become clear
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until his indictment on a broader range of criminal charges
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in twenty nineteen and his subsequent death in a Manhattan
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jail cell. That is always the excuse, right, We had
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no idea what he was. But it's okay that he's
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soliciting minor. That didn't give you a hint of the
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kind of disgusting piece of shit he was. Okay, I guess.
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Chopra said in his February statement that he was now
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focused on supporting accountability, prevention, and efforts that protect and
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support survivors. It was in the first time he had
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spoken about his relationship with Epstein after details emerged about
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Epstein's calendar in twenty nineteen, which recorded at least a
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dozen meetings between the two in twenty sixteen, seventeen, and nineteen.
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Chopra told CBS News in an October twenty twenty five
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statement that their appointments had mostly concerned Epstein's sleep problems.
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Oh yeah, sleep problems, and the girls. Let's not forget
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the girls. After meeting, he shared he suffered from insomnia
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and expressed interest in learning meditation, which I taught him.
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Our meetings focused solely on practicing meditation, lasted about thirty
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minutes each, Chopra said in the statement, guys an app liar,
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and the emails back it up. See, all these people
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that are out here running around telling falsehoods are all
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being outed by their own emails. Salon has tried to
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contact Choprah several times through the public relations firm that
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represents them, but has not received a response. Very little
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of the communication between Chopra and Epstein, based on the
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evidence in the released FBI files, was about sleep. Well,
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no shit, huh, he lied. I am shocked. Nobody has
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ever lied to us about Epstein. Ever, In November of
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twenty sixteen, Chopra told Epstein by email that sleep is
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consciousness in its default mode. That appears to be the
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only time the subject was directly mentioned in the publicly
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available email and text exchanges between the two, although the
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FBI files provide no information about what they might have
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discussed in person. Well, how would they know? That seems
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a bit weird, right, like the emails. That's evidence. We
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can read the emails for ourselves. We don't know what
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people were saying in private conversations. In their documented messages,
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Chopra and Epstein were far more likely to discuss the
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nature of reality and consciousness, topics Chopra has written about
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for many years. All Right, folks, we're going to wrap
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up the first episode here and in the next episode
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we're going to pick up where we left off. All
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