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Colin Cowherd Podcast - 49ers Outlook After Shanahan Accident? Shedeur Sanders, Cowboys Win The Division? Expectations For Indiana · 3 and Out with John Middlekauff

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Speaker 1: slash go slash Colin. All right, John Middlecoff is gonna
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Speaker 1: be joining me on the Hurt for the next two
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Speaker 1: weeks as jmac is on VAK. And this is my
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Speaker 1: favorite vacation of the year, my two weeks in July
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Speaker 1: because by the end of it, football camps open up.
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Speaker 1: Somebody for the Niners is gonna get hurt because it's
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Speaker 1: the Niners. I mean, it just never fails Baltimore and
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Speaker 1: the Niners. Somebody will get hurt Before I get into that.
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Speaker 1: So I watched several movies, some good, some not even
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Speaker 1: worth mentioning? Have you seen Odyssey yet?
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Speaker 2: Uh? With a six month old, I don't have three
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Speaker 2: and a half hours, Colin, I've got I bear. I'm lucky.
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Speaker 2: I just got an how we at the gym before
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Speaker 2: I got to pack up and get out of here.
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Speaker 2: You know, three that is a that could be a
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Speaker 2: century city the next couple of weeks. So you know,
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Speaker 2: I got some you know, afternoons to myself. So I've seen.
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Speaker 1: You've seen Disclosure Day by Spielberg.
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Speaker 2: I did not, but I saw Obsession last time. I
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Speaker 2: was down there with you at the Century City Mall,
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Speaker 2: which I heard your review with Ethan. I. I didn't
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Speaker 2: get that deep into it. I just kind of enjoyed it.
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Speaker 2: And I think the story how the guy made it
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Speaker 2: for under a million dollars in this day and age
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Speaker 2: pretty incredible, isn't it. I mean, the guy's gonna be
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Speaker 2: He's gonna have a lot of money behind him moving forward,
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Speaker 2: that's for sure.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I gotta tell you something I've I've there was
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Speaker 1: a documentary by Dan Fara that I thought was the
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Speaker 1: best documentary I've ever seen in Spielberg watched that documentary
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Speaker 1: and then made Disclosure Day, and I love Spielberg. My
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Speaker 1: wife really really liked it. It took too long for
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Speaker 1: me to get going. I just kind of felt like,
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Speaker 1: let's let's okay, some of this I'm not buying it.
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Speaker 1: The lead up took forever, aliens took forever to get
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Speaker 1: to but you know whatever. So I'm not a movie reviewer,
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Speaker 1: but I just you know, Obsession missed a little bit
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Speaker 1: for me. And so it's Spielberg and that's rare, Okay.
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Speaker 1: I want to throw this at you with the forty
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Speaker 1: nine ers. So I was off and I just let
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Speaker 1: people have at it. Kyle was, okay, that was good news.
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Speaker 1: I'll let everybody else chase the story. But I remember
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Speaker 1: when I moved to California having a discussion with an
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Speaker 1: attorney and he always said, California privacy laws are the
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Speaker 1: best in the country and the broadest. And then if
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Speaker 1: there's like not a firearm in that car wreck, a
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Speaker 1: discharged firearm, if there's not alcohol, duy, it's hard to
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Speaker 1: get information. A lot of stuff gets buried for weeks
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Speaker 1: and weeks or years because California privacy laws are like
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Speaker 1: next level. And you know, California has always been pretty
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Speaker 1: pretty tough on corporations, pretty good to the individual. Did
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Speaker 1: you feel and I also think Kyle Shanahan probably was
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Speaker 1: embarrassed and felt, you know, like he mostly it was
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Speaker 1: his blame. He didn't you know, he didn't leave the scene,
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Speaker 1: there was no alcohol involved. It was just you know,
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Speaker 1: he's on his phone, something happened. Did you feel like
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Speaker 1: there was a massive cover up? Part of it's the
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Speaker 1: privacy laws of California. Where did you land on it?
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Speaker 2: Well, my wife's two of her best friends were married
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Speaker 2: to a cop and a firefighter that are both in
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Speaker 2: the Bay Area, in prominent areas. And we were with
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Speaker 2: one guy this summer and he said, it's impossible to
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Speaker 2: get a DUI in the city of San Francisco. There's
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Speaker 2: not going to give you one. The paperwork's too hard.
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Speaker 2: They just don't give DUIs. I said, just because you're
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Speaker 2: a firefighter. He's like, no, they just it could be you.
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Speaker 2: But the moment you cross go to Napa, go down
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Speaker 2: to Berlin, game like where it'lman's from, go to the
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Speaker 2: East Bay, you're not getting away with anything. And so
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Speaker 2: to me, when I saw the cover up, this is
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Speaker 2: not John gott in New York. This is not Big
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Speaker 2: dom and Philly, the Bay area one the police Okay,
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Speaker 2: maybe there born and raised in the general area, But
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Speaker 2: when he goes to the hospital instant, where do you
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Speaker 2: think all those people they're from all over the place, right,
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Speaker 2: the notion that they have some they're indebted to the
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Speaker 2: forty nine ers. And this is listen, I have a
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Speaker 2: family member that was in business with that, he'd Bartelow
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Speaker 2: back in the eighties. A little different ballgame back then,
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Speaker 2: you know. But in twenty twenty six, Colin to think
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Speaker 2: that it could be possible that he could be on
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Speaker 2: drugs or drinking. I mean, I've heard pretty definitively one
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Speaker 2: hundred that was not the issue right now. I understand
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Speaker 2: when people go twenty miles an hour, he's into Tesla.
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Speaker 2: Isn't that supposed to not allow you to go in
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Speaker 2: the other lane? Like, I get it. I've had had
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Speaker 2: those thoughts. But then as it comes out Kyle Shanahan,
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Speaker 2: you know, Wickersham writes that big deep article on Sean Payton.
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Speaker 2: He was he was, you know, basically with them in
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Speaker 2: the bunker for three weeks or whatever during the playoffs. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: you couldn't throw Kyle Shanahan. He'd jump off the Golden
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Speaker 2: gate Bridge before he allowed someone to do that. He's not.
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Speaker 2: You know, some of these older especially coaches like Sean Payton, Randy,
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Speaker 2: they've known a lot of people for a long time
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Speaker 2: and they just have normal human relationships with I think
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Speaker 2: a lot of people in the media. That's not really
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Speaker 2: Kyle Shanahan's deal.
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Speaker 1: Nope.
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Speaker 2: You know people at Chris Simps well, Yet they played
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Speaker 2: college football together at Texas. It's like, how did Jerry
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Speaker 2: Jones and Jimmy Johnson know each other? They've known each
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Speaker 2: other since they were at Arkansas in whatever year. So
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Speaker 2: to think that in the Bay Area with Kyle Shanahan
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Speaker 2: that he could have got a dui and they could
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Speaker 2: have covered it up. Now, I do understand like the scene,
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Speaker 2: but the scene the scene would just be there when
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Speaker 2: he's in shambles, right and his head split open and
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Speaker 2: he basically just waits for his wife to show up.
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Speaker 2: I guess he wouldn't leave for twenty minutes until his
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Speaker 2: wife showed up. Palawato's pretty far away. Palowalto's north of
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Speaker 2: Santa Clara where they play, and he lives even south
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Speaker 2: of that, So it's I just have a hard Stanford
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Speaker 2: is not covering things up like they're doing in the
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Speaker 2: SEC when it comes to football players get in trouble.
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Speaker 2: That's not the way, you know. I'm from an hour
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Speaker 2: half north of that, but I don't quite under people
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Speaker 2: don't understand kind of the world, especially pala w Aalto.
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Speaker 2: I would say as well well.
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Speaker 1: And also it's not a Niners beat reporter's job every
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Speaker 1: morning to wake up and call local police departments like
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Speaker 1: between the privacy laws. I mean, Shanahan's probably embarrassed. I didn't.
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Speaker 1: Just I just didn't feel like there was some massive
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Speaker 1: cover up. I think one of the things I've learned
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Speaker 1: over the course of my life and a lot of
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Speaker 1: times in media, is a lot of stuff takes a
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Speaker 1: while to come out. You know, I had an agent
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Speaker 1: years ago. Nick Kano has said organizations make a decision
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Speaker 1: six months before they fire you. Everybody in the building knows.
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Speaker 1: Everything gets delayed, accidents, corporate decisions, And I just I
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Speaker 1: just you know, I I don't know. I just I
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Speaker 1: thought there was a lot of suspicion. I think that
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Speaker 1: can be healthy by media members. I'm not dogging media members,
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Speaker 1: but I just know that when I first moved to
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Speaker 1: LA and I had had this random conversation I think
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Speaker 1: it was at dinner with a with a you know,
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Speaker 1: with an attorney talking about the California privacy lawsy like
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Speaker 1: they're just different level and a lot of stuff doesn't
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Speaker 1: get out that you would be shocked.
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Speaker 2: I want to touch Isn't this really really quick? Back
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Speaker 2: on this This was not in season and it didn't
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Speaker 2: come out two weeks later. This is in the middle
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Speaker 2: of vacation, no one is at the facility. He gets
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Speaker 2: or what's Kyle Shanahan gonna put out a statement. Now
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Speaker 2: I get the Niners. I guess could have, but they're
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Speaker 2: reporting for camp in a week. It's obviously gonna come
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Speaker 2: out when he can't address the team. The other thing,
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Speaker 2: he has a major concussion. He can't even think straight.
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Speaker 2: You think the first thing he's thinking of, like, man,
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Speaker 2: I got a text Mayoko and Tim Kawakami and make
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Speaker 2: sure they know, uh, my head was just split open.
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Speaker 2: So I just and then he has them all in
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Speaker 2: the room a couple of days later and is in
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Speaker 2: tears because emotionally, concussions really mess with you. It's not
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Speaker 2: He's been in a great state over the course of
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Speaker 2: the month, So I I don't know if there is something,
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Speaker 2: and it'll it'll eventually get on cut in this day
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Speaker 2: and age, but I just think that it's borderline impossible
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Speaker 2: with the setup down there.
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Speaker 1: So you know, it's It's interesting with the forty nine
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Speaker 1: ers is that Kyle is so respected that it sort
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Speaker 1: of bulldozes any mistakes or missteps in his life. I've
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Speaker 1: said multiple times on this podcast, my biggest problem with
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Speaker 1: the Niners is Seattle and the Rams draft better. So
9:25
Speaker 1: the Rams and the Seahawks are just deeper rosters, and
9:28
Speaker 1: so when the Niners get their predictable injuries every year,
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Speaker 1: they get real thin, real fast. They're old, expensive, thin
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Speaker 1: and kind of brittle. Now, Ricky Pearsall, you know, John,
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Speaker 1: I didn't love to pick. I think they overdraft receivers.
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Speaker 1: I think they've coddled them too often. Pearsall's not going
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Speaker 1: to play debo back for a year. Just give me
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Speaker 1: your sense on what the season is going to look like.
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Speaker 1: The Rams have added Myles Garrett, if Trent Williams gets hurt,
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Speaker 1: watch out Rock Purty. Kind of what do you forget?
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Speaker 1: You're very close to the Niners. What do you forecast?
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Speaker 2: Well, I would say there's probably Kyle Shanahan is the
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Speaker 2: most important guy in the organization. So if Kyle, who's
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Speaker 2: literally in the concussion protocol right now, there were question
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Speaker 2: marks of him during regular season games, his ability to
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Speaker 2: cognitively put together game plans, call games. They have mikes
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Speaker 2: and and cameras in every in every meeting room. He
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Speaker 2: watches everything. He is. Nick Sirianni's not telling Vic Fangio
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Speaker 2: a damn thing, Right, Andy Reid leaves c Spagnoli alone, Right, Yeah, Uh,
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Speaker 2: that that is not the case with Kyle Shanahan. You know,
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Speaker 2: you read that wicker Sham article with Sean Payton on
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Speaker 2: his defense, that's Kyle. I mean, this is everything that
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Speaker 2: happens there, so to me more than any they went
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Speaker 2: to play. They went to Philly last year, won a
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Speaker 2: playoff game without George Kittle, without Fred Warren, without Nick Bosa.
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Speaker 2: If they got Kyle Shanahan, they're gonna be okay. Now
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Speaker 2: in the offseason, you know, Josh and Howie Roseman and
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Speaker 2: Less Sneak get a lot of you I mean Less
11:02
Speaker 2: snee clearly convinced Sean McVay to draft his buddy's quarterback
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Speaker 2: or you know, right, and Ty Simpson was the driver
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Speaker 2: on that. That's not the case with John. A huge
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Speaker 2: part of John's job is to manage I do think
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Speaker 2: there's a chance Kyle's to change person a little bit
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Speaker 2: after this incident. But Kyle, you know, I think actually
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Speaker 2: his parallel might be a little. Sean Payton and his
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Speaker 2: dad they are tough. I mean they are it's and
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Speaker 2: that's probably his role more than just putting together draft boards,
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Speaker 2: because at the end of the day, Kyle's gonna run
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Speaker 2: the draft board. If I the Ricky Piersall thinks specifically,
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Speaker 2: this is why the drafts so hard. He didn't miss
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Speaker 2: a game in college, not one. He never missed a
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Speaker 2: game in college. Now, was he gonna be js and
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Speaker 2: or Justin Jefferson. No, But when he did play, he
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Speaker 2: looked like he could be a serviceable, pretty good starting
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Speaker 2: wide receiver. And I think they've done two things now
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Speaker 2: over the course of the last five six years. They've overreacted.
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Speaker 2: In twenty twenty one when Trey Lance, they had a
11:57
Speaker 2: devastating year with Jimmy Garoppoli wasn't very good, and they
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Speaker 2: kind of had this moment late in the season against
12:04
Speaker 2: Josh Allen and they're like, we need one of those.
12:06
Speaker 2: It's like, well, those don't grow on trees. And then
12:08
Speaker 2: they tried to draft Trey Lance and blew up in
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Speaker 2: their face. All these picks they got punked in the
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Speaker 2: Super Bowl and they couldn't get anyone open manned man.
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Speaker 2: So they're like, Ricky Piersoll is the best runner in
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Speaker 2: the draft. It's like, well, if you just draft Brayden
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Speaker 2: Fisk or Lasted or Lad Maconkey, you know. But they
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Speaker 2: try to force something and they're very, very fortunate that
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Speaker 2: you know, Kyle to me's the equivalent of like an
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Speaker 2: NBA star. He's that important, Like if you got Jokic,
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Speaker 2: your floor still pretty high, might not win the super
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Speaker 2: Bowl or or Lebron in his prime or Curry. That's
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Speaker 2: what Kyle is. It's pretty rare. It doesn't really exist
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Speaker 2: in the NFL, right, And that's truly is Kyle. So
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Speaker 2: I think if they just had a notch below him,
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Speaker 2: it could have unraveled multiple times. But to me, my
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Speaker 2: only question with the Niners. I mean, on paper, they're
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Speaker 2: probably not as good as the Rams clearly or Seattle,
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Speaker 2: but to me, they're still You look at the rest
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Speaker 2: of the NFC like they can make the playoffs, but
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Speaker 2: it's him. He's got to be. That's a the way
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Speaker 2: it's been reported. A lot of people talk to him
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Speaker 2: now like it was a pretty traumatic you know, he
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Speaker 2: got hit by this Mercedes, hit his face and the
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Speaker 2: the uh, the dad or the the overhead mirror you know,
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Speaker 2: came right into his eye, almost took out his eye.
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Speaker 2: It was it was really bad. So to me, it
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Speaker 2: comes down to him, and obviously they're guy's healthy, which
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Speaker 2: you never know.
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Speaker 1: Hey, I want to talk about Shadeur Sanders. So when
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Speaker 1: when players drop in the draft, there's usually either they're
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Speaker 1: just you know, they've got behavioral issues. I mean, Aaron
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Speaker 1: Hernandez was wildly talented, there were some questions about him
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Speaker 1: at at Florida, or you get into a situation like
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Speaker 1: Schadeur Sanders where dad, you know, the media tour during
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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, were not playing for bad teams. And
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Speaker 1: I don't think there's I don't think any reason person
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Speaker 1: could deny what I'm about to say. Dion Sanders hurt
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Speaker 1: his son's Shadur in the draft profit process. I was
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Speaker 1: told that by people that I've been talking to for
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Speaker 1: twenty years in the NFL, like it didn't know that position,
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Speaker 1: that behavior kind of arrogantly dismissing certain organizations, you know,
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Speaker 1: the ones who are bad that wanted to draft you.
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Speaker 1: So the other day I saw Dion on the practice
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Speaker 1: field and I thought, God, Dion, you have no self awareness.
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Speaker 1: Like it's not going to affect him now, because I
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Speaker 1: really do think Shadure was significantly underdrafted. At worst, he
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Speaker 1: was late second to me, maybe very top of the third.
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Speaker 1: But I watched like ten of his college games. He
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Speaker 1: holds the ball too long, He did that in college.
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Speaker 1: He does it in the pros and that may be
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Speaker 1: the deal breaker. But he's accurate, he moves okay, he's
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Speaker 1: a risk taker. I don't think he's a great franchise guy.
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Speaker 1: And he may never get out of hold in the ball.
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Speaker 1: I mean Caleb Williams first year, you know it, it's
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Speaker 1: a problem. But when I saw Dion on the field,
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Speaker 1: I don't think Peyton Manning is going to be on
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Speaker 1: the field or Eli when Arch gets drafted next year,
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Speaker 1: I just thought, God, Dion, go coach Colorado like it.
15:14
Speaker 1: I don't know why you've worked for an NFL team.
15:17
Speaker 1: I just thought, get out of this kid's way, like
15:21
Speaker 1: like like, yeah, Lebron Broun, Lebron James likes to play
15:26
Speaker 1: with Brownie, but he's not getting in the way of him,
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Speaker 1: like he's he's separated. The JJ is going to play
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Speaker 1: him Reddick when he wants to play him. How did
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Speaker 1: when you saw Dion, how did it land for you?
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Speaker 2: Why? I actually read the article. Yes, I think Jason Lloyd,
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Speaker 2: who covers the Cleveland area, I read it to Yeah,
15:43
Speaker 2: and you know last year they wouldn't bend the knee.
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Speaker 2: They wouldn't and this year. I think Monkin's in a
15:48
Speaker 2: weird spot. A little older, no one was going to
15:50
Speaker 2: give him a head coaching job. Also for an old
15:53
Speaker 2: he's pretty secure, like Todd Bunk is a good offensive coordinator,
15:55
Speaker 2: like Tom Monkin knows what he's doing. What's Deon going
15:57
Speaker 2: to tell him that offense? When Tom Monk has been
15:59
Speaker 2: coaching the league for a long time. But when you
16:01
Speaker 2: see the picture, the first thing I thought was that'd
16:04
Speaker 2: be like Signetti calling up Kubiak, be like, I'm showing
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Speaker 2: up to camp. I'll give you two days, I'll tell
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Speaker 2: you everything you need to know about Fernando Mendoza. And exactly,
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Speaker 2: it's like, well, we've already done that work, We've already
16:13
Speaker 2: talked to you, we already scouted the guy. And Dion's
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Speaker 2: one of the greatest players I've ever seen. I just
16:20
Speaker 2: no one, no one would dispute that. And it's admirable
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Speaker 2: how much he loves his family clearly always. I do
16:27
Speaker 2: think there's got to be a line though. This is
16:29
Speaker 2: the big leagues. You know, Deon knows as well as anybody.
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Speaker 2: Look at the players he played with. I mean, can
16:34
Speaker 2: you imagine Jimmy Johnson or George Seafert allowing opening the doors,
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Speaker 2: you know, in their facility. In a similar this is
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Speaker 2: a fifth round pick, Like you said, he his talent
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Speaker 2: will let him swim in the second round. Like Shador
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Speaker 2: easily most drafts could have gone in the second or
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Speaker 2: third round. But he was a fifth round pick. The
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Speaker 2: third round. Just got to be looking around, like, can
16:53
Speaker 2: my dad come out in here and hang out and
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Speaker 2: go to the meetings. You know, I get he's Dion,
16:56
Speaker 2: he's football royalty, but but a year in and now
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Speaker 2: they're giving him a chance to start. Dion, just let
17:02
Speaker 2: it just just show up. Yes, it just kind of
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Speaker 2: lands not just enjoy it.
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Speaker 1: And I'm and I'm telling you I have watched I
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Speaker 1: would I think Shador's I said it last year. There's
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Speaker 1: something there. His teammates like playing with him. I think
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Speaker 1: the receivers like him because he'll throw the ball down
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Speaker 1: the field. He will not dink and dunk. He'll let
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Speaker 1: it go. And I always thought the knock that he
17:23
Speaker 1: wasn't athletic. He got his mom's DNA. It's like I
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Speaker 1: watched every Colorado game of note. He moved fine, he moves.
17:29
Speaker 1: I mean Jared Goff's a statue Stafford doesn't move. He
17:32
Speaker 1: moves fine. This idea that he's unathletic, but I watched
17:36
Speaker 1: that stuff and I'm like, Dion, you screwed up the
17:38
Speaker 1: draft thing. Because I do think he's a lot. I
17:40
Speaker 1: think he's a little bit immature, but I think he's
17:43
Speaker 1: a good kid. I don't think he's a back. He's
17:44
Speaker 1: just immature.
17:45
Speaker 2: But here's the other thing. If you remember when the
17:47
Speaker 2: story came out about Shador, one of the problems was
17:51
Speaker 2: Dion had convinced him, or maybe he had convinced himself,
17:54
Speaker 2: they would not talk to any teams with quarterbacks. So
17:56
Speaker 2: the Eagles and the Ravens like were interested. They're like,
17:59
Speaker 2: we are talking to you. It's like crazy. I mean
18:01
Speaker 2: it's like, uh, now that Steve young'sat behind Joe Montana
18:04
Speaker 2: for a while, you'll be you know, Aaron Rodgers, Brett Farvey.
18:07
Speaker 2: It can't work out. Uh. The Ravens were one of
18:10
Speaker 2: the teams that was very, very interested. I've read that,
18:12
Speaker 2: and well, who was their offensive coordinator. The dude is
18:16
Speaker 2: now as head coach, so I you know Todd if
18:20
Speaker 2: you ever just watch his press conference in some of
18:21
Speaker 2: the clips, like he's pretty he's got a little fangio
18:23
Speaker 2: to him. Older guy at this point in time, made
18:26
Speaker 2: a bunch of money, kind of got his shot. Now
18:28
Speaker 2: is getting this shot like this is gonna be it.
18:31
Speaker 2: He kind of he tells it like it is. And
18:33
Speaker 2: he's been saying like these both these guys are gonna
18:35
Speaker 2: get their shot. Chador's playing one way, whether he wins
18:38
Speaker 2: the job week one, which anytime you're paying a guy
18:41
Speaker 2: what forty five fifty million dollars like and you've already
18:43
Speaker 2: paid Deshaun's gonna, if he's healthy, gonna start week one.
18:46
Speaker 2: But this team is not good. You know, they actually
18:49
Speaker 2: got some young pieces. But uh, i'd put the over
18:53
Speaker 2: under six seven games in range for Schador to be
18:58
Speaker 2: in maybe before that. I mean, Deshaun hasn't even proven
19:01
Speaker 2: that he can stay healthy. So Deshaun at any moment
19:03
Speaker 2: can go down. And yeah, I mean I think Chador
19:07
Speaker 2: is gonna get his ample opportunity. They year to play
19:10
Speaker 2: a bunch of games, and last year was a tough spot.
19:12
Speaker 2: Last thrown in you know the Dylan Gabriel who seems
19:16
Speaker 2: like a nice kid. I mean, I don't know many
19:18
Speaker 2: people that had draftable grades on that guy. I mean, uh,
19:22
Speaker 2: and it, which is clear now he's behind schaduor with
19:24
Speaker 2: the guy that just independently came in from the outside,
19:27
Speaker 2: was like, Shoudour's better. So I think it's gonna work out.
19:30
Speaker 2: But I'm with you on Deon, just Dan Mikes, Deean.
19:33
Speaker 2: You know, there's there's a reason Jerry Rice, you know,
19:36
Speaker 2: used to like they used to go at it before
19:38
Speaker 2: he got to the Niners, when he got to the Knighters,
19:40
Speaker 2: Like Deon, can you just be serious here for a second.
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Speaker 1: really I've always thought I'm pretty good on quarterback evaluation
21:13
Speaker 1: I had. I stuck with Darnold. You know, I didn't
21:16
Speaker 1: like a lot of the draft picks in recent years.
21:20
Speaker 1: I'm a big Mendoza believer, but there was a lot
21:22
Speaker 1: of guys that everybody fell into during the COVID times.
21:26
Speaker 1: You know, I miss on some like everybody else, But
21:28
Speaker 1: I always think I have a pretty good beat on it.
21:31
Speaker 1: Jackson darts a little better than I thought, But I
21:32
Speaker 1: do think Lane Kiffen to his first NFL coach, the
21:37
Speaker 1: guy now at Tennessee, Brian Dabole, like I think that's
21:40
Speaker 1: a that's pretty good coach in for a four year stretch.
21:43
Speaker 1: But I was thinking about this when I was flying
21:48
Speaker 1: back today. Nick Sirianni had the worst press conference I've
21:55
Speaker 1: ever seen in my life, worst opening press conference. And
21:58
Speaker 1: it works. You can say it's good ownership. It's Jalen Hurts.
22:02
Speaker 1: He's got a lot of maturity around him, Howie Roseman.
22:05
Speaker 1: But I never thought it would work. I had somebody
22:07
Speaker 1: who I trust implicitly in the NFL say he's not
22:10
Speaker 1: ready yet, he needs two to three more years. It's worked.
22:15
Speaker 1: Brian Schottenheimer. I'm looking at it thinking he wasn't even
22:18
Speaker 1: interviewing for top oc jobs. For that he he wasn't
22:22
Speaker 1: sniffing head jobs last year. It worked, and so you know,
22:29
Speaker 1: I look at those two guys, same division. Liam Cohen
22:33
Speaker 1: I thought would work. Like I had heard everybody kept
22:36
Speaker 1: saying Liam Cohen, who went from Tampa to the Jags.
22:38
Speaker 1: Everybody's like, no, he's He's played the position in college.
22:41
Speaker 1: He's really sharp. So that didn't surprise me. We all
22:44
Speaker 1: knew Shanahan was going to be great, you know, from
22:48
Speaker 1: Atlanta to the Niners. Kevin O'Connell was called the tall McVeigh.
22:52
Speaker 1: But I watch Sirianni and then I watch Schottenheimer, and
22:59
Speaker 1: I look at Dallas this year, and I'm like, I
23:01
Speaker 1: like their personnel. I can go twelve deep on players,
23:05
Speaker 1: I like you can. Everybody lamented the Micah trade, shit
23:09
Speaker 1: their rosters better today a year later. How do you
23:13
Speaker 1: explain Schottenheimer.
23:15
Speaker 2: I'm picking the Cowboys to win the division. Now, obviously
23:17
Speaker 2: the Eagles offense is like it was a couple of
23:19
Speaker 2: years ago. That would be a problem for my pick.
23:21
Speaker 2: But there are a lot of question marks new coordinator.
23:24
Speaker 2: I think the Cowboys when we went to the Super
23:28
Speaker 2: Bowl and had the Super Bowl party, I went the
23:31
Speaker 2: day before, and I went to this forty nine er
23:33
Speaker 2: thing and it was like Montana, Roger Craig, Harris Barton,
23:40
Speaker 2: and Ronnie Lott, and I remember leaving. I don't remember
23:43
Speaker 2: those guys really planning. I was born in the mid eighties,
23:44
Speaker 2: but when I left, I've always heard stories I kind
23:46
Speaker 2: of grew up more on. Steve Young was like, you know,
23:49
Speaker 2: Ronnie Lott was kind of the alpha, and you know,
23:52
Speaker 2: Joe is not exactly Brady or Manning, like, that's not
23:55
Speaker 2: the way he comes off. Now, he was very cool
23:57
Speaker 2: under pressure. Well, the forty nine ers turned into adynasty
24:00
Speaker 2: when they drafted Ronnie Lott in nineteen eighty one. And
24:03
Speaker 2: when you hear those guys Roger Craig's about to go
24:05
Speaker 2: to the Hall of Fame, Joe Harris Bardon, the way
24:08
Speaker 2: they talk about Ronnie Lott, You're like, damn that guy.
24:11
Speaker 2: I it's almost he was underappreciated in the history of
24:14
Speaker 2: sports for how important he was to that organization.
24:16
Speaker 1: So there's an argument he and Ed Reid are the
24:18
Speaker 1: best safeties in the history of the sport.
24:20
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you'd say him, those two and Dion are
24:23
Speaker 2: the three greatest dbs. Maybe a couple other guys you
24:25
Speaker 2: can find the seventies. Caleb Downs. I don't know if
24:29
Speaker 2: he's quite. I'm not gonna say he's going to be
24:30
Speaker 2: quite Ronnie Lott, but he goes to Saban immediately starts
24:34
Speaker 2: as an eighteen year old, and he goes to Ohio
24:36
Speaker 2: State and for two years they clearly last year he
24:39
Speaker 2: fits right in on a defense full of seniors, right boom,
24:42
Speaker 2: doesn't even skip a beat, and it's like they're their
24:44
Speaker 2: kind of heartbeat. Last year they get all these young
24:47
Speaker 2: guys and by the end they're raising their floor. And
24:49
Speaker 2: every time I hear Patricia, who's only been around genius
24:52
Speaker 2: football players, and Brady McCarty, all the guys for twenty years,
24:56
Speaker 2: it's like, this guy's brilliant, and clearly he's an elite
24:59
Speaker 2: blue chip player. But he plays a position that isn't
25:01
Speaker 2: past rusher, isn't left tackle as a wide receiver. What
25:04
Speaker 2: if he changes their defense immediately? I remember on draft night,
25:08
Speaker 2: I'm a sick. I watch a lot of those first
25:10
Speaker 2: round press conferences like that night because I can't sleep.
25:13
Speaker 2: And Jerry, you can make fun of a lot of
25:15
Speaker 2: things he says, but he will give you some pretty
25:16
Speaker 2: good insights, Like we couldn't even get lined up last year.
25:18
Speaker 2: No one could talk this guy just immediately we know
25:22
Speaker 2: week one we can get lined up. So their defensive
25:26
Speaker 2: line is gonna be better. Listen, their offense is good.
25:28
Speaker 2: Brian Schottenheimer is life's funny. I mean, at one point
25:34
Speaker 2: in time, he was talked about fifteen years ago. Like
25:36
Speaker 2: Kyle Shanahan, absolutely comes from a coaching background. Yeah, his
25:41
Speaker 2: dad was like the tragic version of Mike Shanahan, could
25:43
Speaker 2: never get over the hump. But no one that ever
25:46
Speaker 2: knew Marty Schottenheimer played against Marty Schottenheimer didn't hold him
25:49
Speaker 2: to the highest regard. So this guy comes from football. Like,
25:53
Speaker 2: this guy's lived football his whole life and kind of
25:57
Speaker 2: unlike Kyle and guys like McVeigh that they got their
26:01
Speaker 2: chance and they never look back. This guy got close
26:03
Speaker 2: and then it kind of got derailed. He's clearly a
26:06
Speaker 2: really good offensive coordinator and defensively they're banking on this
26:10
Speaker 2: young guy they hired from Philadelphia. But what if Caleb
26:13
Speaker 2: Downs changes all that and they got a little lucky
26:16
Speaker 2: because of the if he played Colin if the equivalent
26:19
Speaker 2: of that player was like five other positions, he would
26:22
Speaker 2: have gone like third or fourth. Max right, if he
26:25
Speaker 2: was the defensive end version of what he was in safety,
26:28
Speaker 2: he would have been the number two pick after random
26:30
Speaker 2: and knows, he would have gone above Daily Bailey. But
26:33
Speaker 2: he played safety, so it's like, ah, he's a little smaller,
26:35
Speaker 2: he's not fast. It's like, I don't know, remember Ed
26:37
Speaker 2: Reid didn't go and Troy paulam maull. All of a sudden,
26:41
Speaker 2: you look a couple of years later, you're like, what
26:42
Speaker 2: the hell is going on? Because they can impact like
26:45
Speaker 2: Ronnie Lott, they are they're the voice of the defense.
26:49
Speaker 2: And then now in a passing league, you're, you know,
26:51
Speaker 2: the middle linebacker. If you can cover a Keekley Fred
26:54
Speaker 2: is really important. But that guy is essentially kind of
26:57
Speaker 2: that version two. Now with all these teams running four
27:00
Speaker 2: and five guys on route. So I like the Cowboys
27:03
Speaker 2: a lot this year. They've always played the Eagles well
27:05
Speaker 2: over the course the last three or four years. Well,
27:07
Speaker 2: it's just it's just defensively, they were the worst pass
27:10
Speaker 2: defense I think statistically, like in the history of the
27:12
Speaker 2: league last year. Yeah.
27:13
Speaker 1: Well, and I also think I mean Dak it's Jason
27:17
Speaker 1: Garrett it's Mike McCarthy, it's it's it's now Brian Schottenheimer.
27:25
Speaker 1: All offensive coaches different ideology and language. But I think
27:29
Speaker 1: Dak is so high functioning. I think he's just one
27:32
Speaker 1: of the smarter guys in the league that Dak now
27:35
Speaker 1: is the kind of guy that, like coaching has become
27:37
Speaker 1: less and less relevant, if you give him ample protection,
27:40
Speaker 1: Dak is wildly productive iq EQ leadership toughness. So Dak's
27:46
Speaker 1: the kind of guy that, let's say Schottenheimer's a B coach,
27:50
Speaker 1: I think Dak can elevate a coach. I mean, we
27:52
Speaker 1: always think of coach as elevating players. Well, players can
27:54
Speaker 1: elevate coaches. I don't think there's any question with that.
27:57
Speaker 1: And I think I think I just look at Dallas's
27:59
Speaker 1: talent and I'm like, you know, I missed on Sirianni.
28:02
Speaker 1: I maybe I just I think I probably missed on Schottenheimer.
28:06
Speaker 1: I mean, we all knew that Sean Payton was going
28:08
Speaker 1: to work in Denver, or Harball was going to make
28:11
Speaker 1: the Chargers better. Some of that rabel in New England,
28:13
Speaker 1: some of this stuff's easy. Ben Johnson was going to
28:16
Speaker 1: be better than the Eberfus mess. But Shottenheimer, it's like
28:20
Speaker 1: I look up and I'm like, yeah, it's a swing
28:21
Speaker 1: and a miss. I think he something's working. They were
28:25
Speaker 1: pretty consistent last year, and for a young offensive line
28:29
Speaker 1: and a bad secondary, I kind of knew what I got.
28:32
Speaker 2: Well, I know you were jogging around the coastline, But
28:35
Speaker 2: did you see Jerry his comments saying that we had
28:39
Speaker 2: no the right deal comes along, we will throw draft
28:43
Speaker 2: picks on the table. So if they are competitive, the Raiders,
28:48
Speaker 2: they've done a really good job and they're trending in
28:50
Speaker 2: the right direction. But given the division, given the schedule,
28:54
Speaker 2: they could go seven and ten or six and eleven
28:57
Speaker 2: and be dramatically better. But if you're way out of
29:00
Speaker 2: the playoff run come early mid October, like we're not
29:03
Speaker 2: make do you entertain, Like, hey, hey, Jerry, would you
29:06
Speaker 2: give us a one? You're never getting that offer you
29:08
Speaker 2: once had. But what if Max looks fantastic, he looks
29:11
Speaker 2: like he's gonna be a fifteen SAT guy. You wouldn't
29:13
Speaker 2: take Jerry's first and second round pick. Well, also, jo
29:16
Speaker 2: to me, they will be sniffing around that. Jerry already
29:18
Speaker 2: said we didn't turn them down. They turned us down.
29:21
Speaker 2: We wanted them.
29:22
Speaker 1: Listen, remember when Rudy Gobert got traded for like nine
29:25
Speaker 1: draft picks, because that was kind of pre nil. The
29:30
Speaker 1: draft was horrible, everybody was one and done. Well, now
29:33
Speaker 1: post nil, you're like, you don't give up nine draft
29:37
Speaker 1: pick because guys come out now and they're twenty three
29:40
Speaker 1: and it's their third year in COP. So the NBA
29:43
Speaker 1: draft is just better now. Well, the NFL draft, I
29:46
Speaker 1: could argue, is a little weaker now because the back
29:50
Speaker 1: at fifth, sixth, seventh round guys they're staying in college. So,
29:54
Speaker 1: I mean, I watched this year's draft, and after the
29:58
Speaker 1: Bob about the mid fifth round, I'm I watched a
30:01
Speaker 1: lot of college football. There's a lot of these guys
30:03
Speaker 1: are not NFL players. So my take is giving draft
30:07
Speaker 1: picks up was always pretty precious. Last couple of years
30:12
Speaker 1: on IL. After like the fifth round, John mid fifth,
30:16
Speaker 1: teams just move off picks much more freely.
30:19
Speaker 2: Well, and he's even this, think about the first round. Now,
30:23
Speaker 2: some of these guys, if you're gonna be Dante Moore
30:26
Speaker 2: went back to school, Dante Moore would have been a
30:28
Speaker 2: top five pick. Well, why do you go back to school?
30:29
Speaker 2: Because he's got organ. How much do you think he's making,
30:32
Speaker 2: I mean a decent amount. So you have the first
30:36
Speaker 2: round last year, they said that was one of the
30:37
Speaker 2: worst first rounds they've ever seen. Well, that could continue
30:40
Speaker 2: because you're like, you know, I might go twentieth or
30:43
Speaker 2: I could just stay at this college with my beautiful
30:46
Speaker 2: girlfriend and all my friends. I don't have to go
30:48
Speaker 2: to class anymore and make six million dollars. Everything's free.
30:52
Speaker 2: I'm living like a king these games. It's not like
30:55
Speaker 2: no one's We got twenty million people watch some of
30:57
Speaker 2: these college football games, so the atmosphere is incredible. That
31:01
Speaker 2: if you're drafting in the twenties, Denver traded right, the
31:04
Speaker 2: Rams traded, yeah, the Bills, if the right opportunity, should
31:08
Speaker 2: be all over because you're not guaranteed you're gonna keep
31:11
Speaker 2: having these waves of guys. Guys, if you don't know
31:14
Speaker 2: for sure, you're like top twelve, top fifteen, Like I'm
31:17
Speaker 2: a fringe first rounder. That means you're very valuable in
31:20
Speaker 2: the open market in college and you could easily stay.
31:23
Speaker 2: So I I've had a general manager tell me last
31:26
Speaker 2: year after the draft it was the worth fifth plus
31:29
Speaker 2: rounds he's ever you know, fifth sixth seventh he's ever seen.
31:31
Speaker 2: He started getting undrafted free agents. He's like, it's hard
31:34
Speaker 2: for me to be critical after like pick one hundred
31:37
Speaker 2: on anyone you drafted, like it's it, that's to each
31:41
Speaker 2: his own. Everybody like, it's just this is a weird one,
31:44
Speaker 2: you know his what I fifteen years ago, you'd be like, god,
31:47
Speaker 2: we had like a second round grade and the guy'd
31:49
Speaker 2: be like a fifth round maybe character, maybe a little small.
31:52
Speaker 2: But I think these drafts now with people going back
31:55
Speaker 2: and it's it's only unless they change the rules of nil.
31:59
Speaker 2: I don't think that's slow down, do you?
32:01
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't. So I had Bill Belichick on
32:07
Speaker 1: before I went on vacation.
32:08
Speaker 2: I was with you.
32:09
Speaker 1: Oh that's right, you were with it. And Bill was
32:13
Speaker 1: in just a good mood, right, And you know, I've
32:16
Speaker 1: been critical of Bill. I basically like everybody else, always
32:21
Speaker 1: thought he was at least fifty percent of Brady's success,
32:23
Speaker 1: although I thought Brady was great, but I thought Bill
32:25
Speaker 1: was brilliant. Then at the end of New England they
32:27
Speaker 1: couldn't draft, right. I was pretty critical of Bill, so
32:29
Speaker 1: I didn't know how he would be. I told my staff,
32:31
Speaker 1: I may ask twenty questions to get forty two words back.
32:34
Speaker 1: He was just telling story after story, and it's interesting.
32:37
Speaker 1: So the Mike Lombardi situation, he hired him as his GM,
32:40
Speaker 1: and one of the criticisms I've had of Belichick at Carolina,
32:45
Speaker 1: it's a friends and family staff, Like, I don't think
32:47
Speaker 1: he hired the best of the best. It's a lot
32:49
Speaker 1: of allies, friends, connections. I don't feel like it's an
32:53
Speaker 1: elite staff. What's interesting is Lombardi worked at Fox when
32:56
Speaker 1: I first got there. He was one of the first
32:58
Speaker 1: NFL analysts we had that would come in studio because
33:00
Speaker 1: he lived in La Santa Monica. I think I loved
33:03
Speaker 1: him as a guest. I mean for twelve to fifteen minutes,
33:05
Speaker 1: he had big opinions. He had a good sense of personnel.
33:09
Speaker 1: You know, just some guys are just really good on TV.
33:12
Speaker 1: I always said, Mike Tomlin at the podium, it's just
33:14
Speaker 1: freaking magic. Like twelve verd answers, they sound like they're
33:17
Speaker 1: from Plato. They're like these perfectly sculptured, sculptured soundbites. Lombardi
33:24
Speaker 1: is a great SoundBite and he's got kind of that
33:27
Speaker 1: Charlie Wise, New Jersey tough, gruff, bottom line feel. But
33:34
Speaker 1: it's interesting because I look at this situation in Carolina
33:37
Speaker 1: and it's obviously got some hr entanglements here. And it's
33:43
Speaker 1: funny with Bill. Bill is every coach has, every broadcaster,
33:53
Speaker 1: everybody's got a hole. And I think Bill's hole is
33:58
Speaker 1: he has such confidence in his intelligence that he tends
34:02
Speaker 1: to think, I just want to hire somebody I know.
34:05
Speaker 1: I don't want to teach him how to do things.
34:07
Speaker 1: If they know how I do business, my kids, Lombardi,
34:11
Speaker 1: I'm good with it. And I think Bill has so
34:14
Speaker 1: much confidence with his football knowledge scouting. He's just an intellect.
34:20
Speaker 1: He's a football intellect that I think it actually hurts
34:23
Speaker 1: him in the hiring process where he's like, I'm not
34:25
Speaker 1: going to do a deep dive. He knows me. He
34:27
Speaker 1: won't get in the way. I don't have to teach
34:29
Speaker 1: him football. I don't have to teach him my personality.
34:32
Speaker 1: He won't get offended when I choose. But I just
34:35
Speaker 1: I look at his Carolina staff and his late New
34:37
Speaker 1: England staff, and I'm like, it kind of feels like
34:40
Speaker 1: he's just not pursuing the best of the best.
34:45
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, when he got hired maybe I was like,
34:49
Speaker 2: a maybe it will work now looking back, and it
34:51
Speaker 2: never had a chance. I mean, how's he going to
34:54
Speaker 2: compete against the Mario Crysto Bowls and the Kirby Smarts.
34:59
Speaker 2: My thought was less about like bringing in his son Steve,
35:02
Speaker 2: who was with Jed at Washington, or Mike who has
35:06
Speaker 2: hadn't had college experience in forty years in the NFL.
35:10
Speaker 2: If Bill wanted to do something, he really had a
35:14
Speaker 2: meeting with one person, and it was Robert, and maybe
35:17
Speaker 2: as time went on, Jonathan snuck in there as well.
35:19
Speaker 2: He was notorious for like not telling Cassario or Bioli
35:23
Speaker 2: or Josh McDaniels. Sometimes those guys are like, oh, we
35:26
Speaker 2: had no freaking clue. And I always heard like they
35:29
Speaker 2: had strict rules in the building, like they didn't. He
35:31
Speaker 2: did not have a woman assistant like a lot of
35:33
Speaker 2: coaches that there, they're personal assistant. They usually have like
35:37
Speaker 2: a young up and coming coach who does that version,
35:38
Speaker 2: but they have like a woman answering the phone. Andy
35:40
Speaker 2: always did. Bill wouldn't even allow it in the football
35:44
Speaker 2: because he's like, we're not players coaches around. I don't
35:47
Speaker 2: want any problems. You can't avoid that in college, you
35:50
Speaker 2: share you share weight rooms with other coaches, with other
35:53
Speaker 2: female women. You have. It's probably much more like a
35:57
Speaker 2: corporate fortune five hundred. You have a regions, a president
36:01
Speaker 2: of ad AD has a million people you're dealing with,
36:06
Speaker 2: Like what's an who if I had an HR complaint
36:09
Speaker 2: when I worked for Howie Roseman, where would I even go?
36:12
Speaker 2: Not that I ever did, But it's you just keep
36:15
Speaker 2: your head down. It's tough. That's kind of that's the NFL.
36:18
Speaker 2: Not that college isn't, but there are a lot of
36:21
Speaker 2: other people you can walk into athletic department. I just
36:24
Speaker 2: think these guys operate like they always have operated, and
36:27
Speaker 2: they realize like North Carolina. To me, when I think
36:30
Speaker 2: about it's like a Stanford, like a Northwestern, like a Vanderbilt. Academically,
36:34
Speaker 2: it means a lot the prestige of the university. You know,
36:37
Speaker 2: it's always been a basketball school, right And you think
36:39
Speaker 2: Dean Smith, even Hubert Davis has got run out. Wasn't
36:41
Speaker 2: Hubert Davis known as like super high character, great human,
36:45
Speaker 2: treated everyone really well? That is not Bill, you know,
36:49
Speaker 2: that is like we want to Yeah, Josh McDaniels, his
36:55
Speaker 2: old crew, Brian Flores, there that's that's the crew he
36:58
Speaker 2: surrounds himself with. Look at Andy's they're just happier. You know.
37:02
Speaker 2: You gravitate toward people you can kind of relate to.
37:06
Speaker 2: And there's a reason Bill and the Bardi have been
37:08
Speaker 2: friends for whatever thirty plus years. So I listen, I'll
37:12
Speaker 2: give North Carolina credit. Nothing's really leaked about the details
37:16
Speaker 2: in this, but clearly there's something and it might come
37:19
Speaker 2: out as something that if this happened with the Denver
37:22
Speaker 2: Broncos or Seattle Seahawks, no one. It's like what but
37:25
Speaker 2: in college it's just a little different. And these guys
37:29
Speaker 2: went in there kind of pumping their chest thirty thirteen.
37:31
Speaker 1: Yea.
37:32
Speaker 2: It was like, Bill, you're just coming from New England.
37:34
Speaker 2: You just won four games, so I mean, and you
37:37
Speaker 2: haven't been exactly capital allocator. You got lucky for a
37:39
Speaker 2: long time. People would take financial breaks to come play
37:42
Speaker 2: for you. It wasn't like they were wheeling and dealing
37:45
Speaker 2: like Sam Presty or whatever. Not that he didn't make
37:48
Speaker 2: great personnel moves, but a lot of times financially in
37:51
Speaker 2: terms of allocating his resources in the cap was a
37:54
Speaker 2: lot of like, yeah, I'll stay with you to win
37:56
Speaker 2: and take it like, Okay, you're signing guys at below
37:59
Speaker 2: market rates, Like every team in the league would have
38:01
Speaker 2: done that, but most players would tell the GM or
38:04
Speaker 2: coach FU, I'm not signing that contract. But they had
38:06
Speaker 2: the Brady who set the tone kind of a unique
38:09
Speaker 2: financial model that wasn't really replicable, I would say anywhere
38:14
Speaker 2: else in like the history of sports, because they did
38:15
Speaker 2: it forever. They did it forever, getting guys to take less,
38:19
Speaker 2: taking reclamation projects. Not every team has it happened every
38:23
Speaker 2: once in a while, but they did it for basically
38:25
Speaker 2: almost two decades. And then he goes and you're allocating
38:29
Speaker 2: funds toward high school kids, like Bill, whence the last
38:31
Speaker 2: time you watched high school football? You don't know all
38:33
Speaker 2: these high school coaches too? Like how many high school
38:36
Speaker 2: coaches does Ryan Day, Kirby Smart, Lane Kiff and Dan
38:40
Speaker 2: Landing know on a first name basis around the country? Hundreds? Yeah, hundreds,
38:45
Speaker 2: Well on a first name basis.
38:47
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I do think one of the difficult parts
38:51
Speaker 1: is that Charlie Weiss was schematically excellent, so is Bill.
38:55
Speaker 1: But you get kids for seventeen hours a week. You know,
38:57
Speaker 1: this is not the NFL where you can just guys
39:00
Speaker 1: just live in the facility. You have NCAA guidelines on
39:03
Speaker 1: how how much you can do. So it's it's I
39:06
Speaker 1: always think if you're a football academic, college isn't for you.
39:11
Speaker 1: The guys that I thought would have done well in
39:13
Speaker 1: college are Rex Ryan and John Gruden. Kind of handsome
39:17
Speaker 1: or big personality. They walk into a room and Rex
39:20
Speaker 1: Ryan's like, funny, confident, Rex Ryan. Tennessee had an opening
39:25
Speaker 1: years ago. I had dinner with Rex and a bunch
39:27
Speaker 1: of people. I'm like, bro, you could crush in college.
39:30
Speaker 1: John Gruden to me, his name was up for Tennessee
39:33
Speaker 1: for years, and I'm like, John Gruden would crush in
39:35
Speaker 1: college guys that are like I mean, there's just certain guys.
39:40
Speaker 1: Shanahan's kind of an academic, Bellichick's an academic. Those guys
39:44
Speaker 1: just don't have your your brilliance is minimized based on
39:50
Speaker 1: time limitations and and so I And that doesn't mean
39:54
Speaker 1: like there's a certain reality with Nick Saban Nicks the
39:58
Speaker 1: rare coach that was good with ski teams and had
40:01
Speaker 1: a personality, But that's that's usually a guy's one or
40:04
Speaker 1: the other, like they're big personality, light on schemes or
40:08
Speaker 1: they're all scheme guy, but they're gruff Jersey vibe. They
40:11
Speaker 1: don't work. So you know, I don't think Bill's brilliant.
40:15
Speaker 1: Mario Cristibal is not the coach Bill is. But boy
40:18
Speaker 1: crystal Ball walks into a room. That bro's got a presence,
40:21
Speaker 1: like I want to play for Mario crystal.
40:24
Speaker 2: Ball totally, I think. I mean, I got no clue
40:27
Speaker 2: what Bill's roster looks like in terms of the actual players.
40:30
Speaker 2: But another huge year, bunch of turnover. Now you got Look,
40:35
Speaker 2: they just added what's his name the new Virginia Tech
40:38
Speaker 2: coach from Penn State. Like when I think college football,
40:40
Speaker 2: I think James Franklin, Mario Christibaal Dabo's had some weird years,
40:44
Speaker 2: but like Dabo is a college coach through and through.
40:46
Speaker 2: Like this could get hard fast. The wake Forest. They
40:49
Speaker 2: hired a Dickert from Washington State. He went eight I
40:52
Speaker 2: think eight and four, nine and three, Like he's a
40:55
Speaker 2: he's a college coach, So yeah, bel chick and look up,
40:58
Speaker 2: I everyone bangs on the acc It clearly is nowhere
41:01
Speaker 2: what it used to be. He could be getting his
41:02
Speaker 2: teeth kicked in by some of these us. You know,
41:05
Speaker 2: I mean I think they open. Do they open like
41:08
Speaker 2: week zero in Ireland? Or I think they have an
41:12
Speaker 2: international game. It happened last year. Remember they drive that
41:15
Speaker 2: first that first they get the they get the kickoff
41:18
Speaker 2: and they go and they score the touchdown like oh,
41:20
Speaker 2: Bill Belichick's gonna'll be and then they lost like forty
41:22
Speaker 2: nine to seven. So people are paying attention, and I'd
41:25
Speaker 2: be stunned if this is' Bill's last year in North Carolina.
41:28
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42:40
Speaker 1: I never knew because Indiana basketball has been down for
42:44
Speaker 1: a long time, I never knew there were this many
42:48
Speaker 1: Indiana graduates until they won a national championship in football.
42:51
Speaker 1: And now I see Indiana hats. If I go down
42:54
Speaker 1: in Naples, where my wife and I occasionally go, I
42:56
Speaker 1: see Indiana shirts everywhere. And a guy came up to
43:00
Speaker 1: me the other day, and they're always nice. They were
43:01
Speaker 1: a lot of the guys went to the business school there,
43:03
Speaker 1: which is like top seven or eight in the country.
43:05
Speaker 1: Bloomington is supposed to be one of the great college towns,
43:09
Speaker 1: so I'm happy for him and Mark Cuban went there.
43:11
Speaker 1: And but I think this is a legitimate debate, and
43:15
Speaker 1: I don't know the answer. So when Kurt Signetti first
43:20
Speaker 1: gets there, he does a great job to clean him up.
43:23
Speaker 1: But they played, they went to the playoff, they played
43:25
Speaker 1: Notre Dame. That was brutal. I mean, they're they're punting
43:28
Speaker 1: late in the game at like midfield. You're like, this
43:30
Speaker 1: is bad, uncreative offense. Then they get Mendoza and suddenly
43:35
Speaker 1: every article is Kurt Signetti is the smartest man in
43:39
Speaker 1: the history of football. However, my take is, men, they
43:43
Speaker 1: could have lost four games. I watched every big Indiana game.
43:48
Speaker 1: That Penn State game. Penn State's backup quarterback was up
43:51
Speaker 1: and down the field on the Hoosiers. Mendoza won the game,
43:54
Speaker 1: he won the Oregon game, he won the Miami game.
43:58
Speaker 1: And so now we go into another year without Mendoza.
44:03
Speaker 1: And I do think, and again, Signetti is gruff. He's
44:08
Speaker 1: very quotable, and I think he's a really good coach.
44:11
Speaker 1: And it is bizarre. I mean, they just don't have
44:14
Speaker 1: holding penalties none. They just don't have motion penalies. Some
44:19
Speaker 1: of that. As Mendoza was, he not only played at Cal,
44:21
Speaker 1: he got into Yale. Men, those are just it was
44:24
Speaker 1: a very clean, very efficient, areadye offense. And so it's
44:28
Speaker 1: Like when people ask me, what do you buy Signetti,
44:31
Speaker 1: I'm like, I know he's a good coach, but we've
44:33
Speaker 1: almost his first year that lost the Notre Dame disappeared
44:38
Speaker 1: in the ether, and we're not giving Mendoza enough credit,
44:42
Speaker 1: who I think was an all time college quarterback. So
44:47
Speaker 1: your take on Signette is he as brilliant as some
44:50
Speaker 1: of the analytics say or do we just don't understand
44:53
Speaker 1: how good Mendoza was late in games last year.
44:58
Speaker 2: I think Signetti has been fantastic. I think one thing
45:01
Speaker 2: we've lost, you know, I sometimes I get nostalgic about
45:04
Speaker 2: the nineties in sports, coaches, baseball, manager, big personalities. You
45:12
Speaker 2: see some of these clips from the Loop, Panela's the
45:14
Speaker 2: Hal mccraz I mean, Mike Dick, Oh yeah, you would
45:19
Speaker 2: just Don Nelson. Everyone's so rich now it's we didn't
45:23
Speaker 2: talk about Baker Mayfield. But the one thing, whether wherever
45:26
Speaker 2: you stand, whatever Baker deserves I respect. He'll just say
45:29
Speaker 2: what he actually thinks. Like none of these quarterbacks they
45:34
Speaker 2: speak like coaches now, Like you just listen to Stafford
45:37
Speaker 2: given interview, it's like just he's staying with in the lanes,
45:40
Speaker 2: you know, And I think college sports basketball, the all
45:46
Speaker 2: the guard that I grew up on is basically done
45:49
Speaker 2: and retired. You know, Coach k And is probably the
45:52
Speaker 2: last one holding on. But the Beaheims, the Calhouns, those
45:56
Speaker 2: guys would talk. I mean, he goes and takes that
45:58
Speaker 2: shot essentially. At the I find it refreshing. You know,
46:03
Speaker 2: everything's become like how many more billions can we make?
46:05
Speaker 2: How many more teams can we bring in? Consolidate? Like
46:09
Speaker 2: I get where the Pac twelve we're never going back,
46:12
Speaker 2: and the ACC will probably disappear here soon. I appreciate
46:16
Speaker 2: a guy that will just ruffle some feathers, and when
46:18
Speaker 2: he's winning, he can't really say anything. I pull out
46:20
Speaker 2: their schedule. Their first three games are North Texas, Howard,
46:24
Speaker 2: and Western Kentucky, so I would imagine they're gonna start fast.
46:26
Speaker 2: Then they get Northwestern, who I can't imagine is gonna
46:28
Speaker 2: be that good. At Rutgers at Nebraska struggles to win
46:32
Speaker 2: more than six games, So going into Ohio State, they're
46:35
Speaker 2: probably gonna be six to oh Michigan, who's gonna be better.
46:39
Speaker 2: I don't know if their quarterback can play, by all accounts.
46:41
Speaker 2: So they get USC at home. I mean Colin. They're
46:44
Speaker 2: probably looking if they just kind of do what they
46:46
Speaker 2: did two years ago with Curtis Rourke, who's currently on
46:49
Speaker 2: the Niners, who's probably a fringe NFL guy, maybe more UFL.
46:54
Speaker 2: Hoover probably won't live up to be in Mendoza, but
46:56
Speaker 2: it'll be better than Rourke. We know Signety's an offensive guy.
47:00
Speaker 2: His defensive coordinator is really good. They're gonna be good again.
47:03
Speaker 2: And I was just before we went on, I was
47:05
Speaker 2: eating break like a late breakfast, and I was reading
47:08
Speaker 2: this athletic article about the top high school quarterback and
47:11
Speaker 2: he's going to Houston next year. And the other guy
47:14
Speaker 2: was supposed to go to Georgia but ended up he's
47:16
Speaker 2: a Nashville kid staying at Vanderbilt. You've been hammering this
47:19
Speaker 2: home forever. I think we have to look at it
47:21
Speaker 2: a little differently of like, well, if you're just one
47:23
Speaker 2: of the best players, you're going to Alabama Georgia. You know,
47:27
Speaker 2: why is the top guy going to Houston. They probably
47:29
Speaker 2: probably got a huge amount of money from a booster
47:32
Speaker 2: with a lot of money who's in the oil world.
47:34
Speaker 2: You know, That's why it's the huge advantage that and
47:36
Speaker 2: you would even put Houston on the tier of Texas
47:39
Speaker 2: and Texas A and M. But I was just played
47:42
Speaker 2: golf a couple of days ago with a big TCU fan.
47:45
Speaker 2: The money that TCU, He's like, yeah, SMU down the
47:47
Speaker 2: road has even more. I mean these Texas schools, the
47:51
Speaker 2: smure gonna lose a player to Alabama if they want
47:54
Speaker 2: to cut a Check's no.
47:55
Speaker 1: And Indiana's got a top eight business school. So Indiana's
47:58
Speaker 1: got money such a Mark Cuban. They've got two big
48:02
Speaker 1: donor families that write eight figure checks. So Indiana's humman.
48:06
Speaker 2: Yeah, could he talk like this if he was at
48:10
Speaker 2: you know, Ole miss Or a school that's not a tradition,
48:13
Speaker 2: you know, a school that's not going to have financial
48:16
Speaker 2: means in this modern day anio. But he knows he's
48:19
Speaker 2: got the backing. So and he's been doing this a
48:23
Speaker 2: while now. The one thing you got to give him
48:25
Speaker 2: is leaving leaving Saban his experience running the show. He's
48:29
Speaker 2: pretty cocky and confident because he's this isn't some guy
48:32
Speaker 2: that just showed up. It is, you know, two years
48:35
Speaker 2: into being a head coach. In his mind, all those
48:37
Speaker 2: years behind him matter. He's pretty good evaluator. Because he's
48:40
Speaker 2: taken that Pond's kid he got from transfer from JMU
48:44
Speaker 2: Goes I think in the third round. Yeah, that was
48:47
Speaker 2: one of the best corners I saw last year played
48:49
Speaker 2: college football. But I know he's five to nine. But
48:52
Speaker 2: Signetty knows what football players look like now to main like,
48:56
Speaker 2: if they played that Ohio State game last year ten times,
48:59
Speaker 2: Ohio State probably wins.
49:01
Speaker 1: Well, that's got better personal no question.
49:04
Speaker 2: And that they're probably I know they don't win it
49:06
Speaker 2: every year. Would you call them currently the number one
49:09
Speaker 2: program in America?
49:09
Speaker 1: I think Ohio State coach momentum nil recruiting play, Yeah,
49:15
Speaker 1: I think Ohio one.
49:18
Speaker 2: I probably would give them the number.
49:19
Speaker 1: I'll tell you Miami if they do it again. Miami
49:22
Speaker 1: is way up there now.
49:24
Speaker 2: Can catch them fast. But Signetti is going to have
49:27
Speaker 2: to play Ohio State every year. And Kyle Whittingham's been
49:30
Speaker 2: winning with a lot of you know, mid tier recruits,
49:34
Speaker 2: so you would imagine if he's got some fire, kind
49:37
Speaker 2: of pissed off the way he left Utah, I could
49:40
Speaker 2: see Michigan being way better immediately. We know they're gonna
49:42
Speaker 2: be tough and physical. Honestly, doesn't chant Wittingham's team always
49:47
Speaker 2: kind of looks like Signette's. I would say, physical coach, well,
49:51
Speaker 2: not screw up smart kids. Washington, Oregon and USC all
49:56
Speaker 2: be better than last year, and in Washington's case much better.
50:01
Speaker 2: So like this is, you know, the days of the SEC.
50:06
Speaker 2: I mean, I said it last year, top of the
50:11
Speaker 2: SEC is not the big ten, and I'm not sure
50:15
Speaker 2: this year the middle of the SEC is going to
50:17
Speaker 2: be the big ten because I'm telling you Washington has
50:21
Speaker 2: got some dudes. They return their quarterback, Oregon returns their quarterback.
50:24
Speaker 2: USC returns to their quarterbacks, and those quarterbacks were all
50:26
Speaker 2: good last year. And all those schools, especially USC and
50:30
Speaker 2: Oregon have nil money to burn. So, by the way,
50:33
Speaker 2: I think one thing college football needs to get when
50:36
Speaker 2: we talk about the NFL, it's just like, is Tampa
50:39
Speaker 2: gonna be any good this year? Regardless whether Tampa plays
50:42
Speaker 2: the NFC West or the NFC East, what's college football?
50:46
Speaker 2: The season starts, it becomes pure football. But I feel
50:49
Speaker 2: like everything surrounding it is like nil schedule. Yeah, they
50:54
Speaker 2: have to find a way to get some sort of
50:57
Speaker 2: just unity, like you know, and I feel so much
51:01
Speaker 2: of the conversation feels a little reality TV. You know,
51:05
Speaker 2: you got the commissioners going back and forth, which I
51:08
Speaker 2: understand where they're all coming from, but it just it's
51:12
Speaker 2: it feels like it's becoming a little exhausting. Once the
51:15
Speaker 2: season starts, it no longer does. But the off season
51:17
Speaker 2: for that, like the off season for the NFL is fun.
51:20
Speaker 2: Right for college it's like, oh, Ole Miss is now
51:23
Speaker 2: suing these LSU players, Like what.
51:25
Speaker 1: Are we doing?
51:26
Speaker 2: You know, it's like how do we I understand there's
51:29
Speaker 2: a lot of moving parts. You got a lot of
51:31
Speaker 2: people involved, but it just feels like they got a
51:36
Speaker 2: long way to go before they figured this out, and
51:38
Speaker 2: it's all inevitable, you know, North versus the South in
51:41
Speaker 2: some form of fashion, big ten sec. But like in
51:44
Speaker 2: the NFL, it's just like are the Saints going to
51:47
Speaker 2: be any good? You know, it's just we just can
51:49
Speaker 2: talk about football. In college, there's so much other stuff.
51:52
Speaker 1: It's very administrative, exhaust Yeah, it really is. All right.
51:58
Speaker 1: We'll see you tomorrow in FS one next two weeks.
52:00
Speaker 1: John Middlecoff, former NFL scout, is going to be joining
52:03
Speaker 1: me on the show. See you soon gonna be back.
52:09
Speaker 1: He