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Ep. 870: Chimp Wars, Cocaine Hippos, and Steve Destroys Animal Rights People · The MeatEater Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the news show everybody. This week, we've got
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  Speaker 1: cows not condos, a bit about housecat jerky, army tanks
• 0:09
  Speaker 1: are using up all the turkey. Ammo Randall covers a
• 0:12
  Speaker 1: chimpanzee war. An American hunter is killed by elephants. Spencer
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  Speaker 1: covers a war on cocaine, hippos, and more, including for real.
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  Speaker 1: This time, we cover the ongoing goofiness and cluelessness of
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  Speaker 1: Colorado's animal rights movement. But first, Seth Morris is back
• 0:31
  Speaker 1: from his year long fraternity. He has a new baby.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, a new baby kept me up all night last night.
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  Speaker 1: Tell everybody about that baby. It's the only kid in
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  Speaker 1: an American named Virgil.
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  Speaker 3: Yep, Virgil. It's an old timy name that we're bringing back.
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  Speaker 1: Virgil Morris. Oh, he didn't get that joke.
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  Speaker 4: No, right, I didn't get right.
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  Speaker 1: Right away? My buddy, my buddy, And he goes, does
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  Speaker 1: he ride the Danville train? He comes over, We're like,
• 1:04
  Speaker 1: does he ride the Danville trains? Over his head? I
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  Speaker 1: already thought about it. And then he goes. Someone else
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  Speaker 1: made that joke. It was Spencer.
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  Speaker 2: Virgil Cane is my name, Yep, No, Virgil, He's he's
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  Speaker 2: two months old now, and uh he's doing good. He's
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  Speaker 2: so our pediatrician said he's the fastest growing baby she's
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  Speaker 2: ever seen.
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  Speaker 1: WHOA, How long she been in the biz?
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  Speaker 3: I didn't ask her would be the first thing.
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  Speaker 1: I'd ask, how big? Well be like, we're going how
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  Speaker 1: far back did you start? Last week?
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  Speaker 5: I'd get that in writing.
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  Speaker 3: I think it seems like she's been around a while.
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  Speaker 2: But no, he's he was was gaining like he gained
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  Speaker 2: like eighteen ounces in a week or something like that.
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  Speaker 5: That's exceptional, great that rate.
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  Speaker 1: How much will he weigh when he's eighty?
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  Speaker 3: I don't think that's how.
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  Speaker 1: You'd be big.
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  Speaker 4: You've already had him fishing and hunting.
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  Speaker 6: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we talk him out in the turkey opener here
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  Speaker 2: in Montana, and my wife and I both killed turkeys.
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  Speaker 3: He wasn't. He was in the truck with an earshot, so.
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  Speaker 5: I got someone there.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah he does, he doesn't.
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  Speaker 5: He wasn't listening to the radio with a pack of smokes, you.
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  Speaker 1: Know, so he doesn't already have a hearing problem from
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  Speaker 1: shoot the gun next to his little baby head.
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  Speaker 2: No, okay, but no, Yeah, we my wife and I
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  Speaker 2: took turns going out while one stayed in this It's okay.
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  Speaker 4: When he's three, you can just get him, you know,
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  Speaker 4: like that story last.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, a guy rode in. We don't have it in
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  Speaker 1: the We don't have it in the show today, but
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  Speaker 1: a guy rode in based on that the story we
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  Speaker 1: covered the guy the three year old who the guy
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  Speaker 1: that supposedly had his three year old hunting turkeys and
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  Speaker 1: this guy guy said it a picture of a three
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  Speaker 1: year old standing next to his shotgun. Yeah, the gun's
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  Speaker 1: way taller than the kid. He's like, this kid is
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  Speaker 1: not shooting that guy. Oh my house cat turkey story.
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  Speaker 1: So man, I just gave the punchline away. Anyhow, So
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  Speaker 1: guy Mellet's the editor, brings me this jerky that he
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  Speaker 1: likes a lot. It's made in Kansas or something. It's
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  Speaker 1: his favorite jerky. It's like these square sheets of jerky.
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  Speaker 1: It's very unique. I'm on the plane with my little
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  Speaker 1: boy going out to hunt turkeys at Dougs, and I
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  Speaker 1: give my little boy a piece of the jerky and
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  Speaker 1: he pauses because it's square, do you know what I mean?
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  Speaker 1: He pauses kind of like he's like not getting how
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  Speaker 1: you could have square jerky. Yeah, And he's eating it,
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  Speaker 1: you know, And I said. He goes, well, our jerky's
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  Speaker 1: not like this. I said, there's more than one way
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  Speaker 1: to skin a cat. He then goes, this is cat.
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  Speaker 4: And keeps eating.
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  Speaker 1: That's good. Oh, here's no one since your back stuff.
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  Speaker 1: This occurred to me when we used to want to
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  Speaker 1: do our show. Scheth and I were trying to wanted
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  Speaker 1: to do a show called Deep Drop Boys, where we
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  Speaker 1: go around the world to the deepest places and put
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  Speaker 1: a deep drop rig down. But the thing is, most
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  Speaker 1: fishermen don't even recognize it as fishing, and they all
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  Speaker 1: agree that it's the most boring thing in the world.
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  Speaker 1: So our show never got off the ground. Like my wife,
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  Speaker 1: my wife refuses to go deep dropping.
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  Speaker 4: At the shack. You have to work a little to
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  Speaker 4: round up a deep drop crew, make sure I'm running
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  Speaker 4: a boat that day, and I yeah, otherwise, no one.
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  Speaker 1: Wants to watch me because going deep dropping means watching me.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it means watching you do nothing. You have to
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  Speaker 1: watch me catch nothing. But then I thought we could
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  Speaker 1: do the first episode of The Straight of Horror Moves.
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  Speaker 1: The Straight of Horror Moves.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it sounds risky, Billets, because.
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  Speaker 1: Then people tune in and we get our show off
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  Speaker 1: the ground.
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  Speaker 3: I think, I mean people would tune.
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  Speaker 1: In for them. We're gonna deep drop the straight is
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  Speaker 1: deep enough?
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  Speaker 4: Deep?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? How deep? Straight? Can you check how deep the
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  Speaker 1: straight over? Moses like? Is it gonna be good?
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  Speaker 5: Or the deepest parts are six hundred and fifty feet?
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  Speaker 1: That counts? Yeah, it'll work, that's fine. Where can you
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  Speaker 1: send me a pin?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Uh oh? Our Save Tucker Town update Randall.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, that's right, Save Tucker Town if you haven't heard
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  Speaker 5: of it. We teamed up with on X to help
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  Speaker 5: raise money for a cause in North Carolina. The Three
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  Speaker 5: Rivers Land Trust is spearheading this. And in short, there's
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  Speaker 5: a whole bunch of uh private land that was is
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  Speaker 5: owned by Alcoa, and it was accessible for outdoor recreation, hunting,
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  Speaker 5: fish and camping, all that stuff for years and years,
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  Speaker 5: and it's going up for sale, so it would likely
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  Speaker 5: transfer into hands of other private landowners who wouldn't be
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  Speaker 5: as open to public access. And so the Three Rovers
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  Speaker 5: Land Trust is leading a campaign to raise money to
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  Speaker 5: purchase some of that so that it becomes public land.
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  Speaker 5: And we are matching, we meeting meat Eater, We're matching
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  Speaker 5: every dollar given along with on X between April fourteenth
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  Speaker 5: and May fourteenth, So we're halfway. We're not quite halfway
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  Speaker 5: through that time period, but we're more than halfway to
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  Speaker 5: our goal. So we're matching on X and Meat Eater
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  Speaker 5: and matching up to two hundred thousand dollars. And right
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  Speaker 5: now there's been one hundred and three thousand, five hundred
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  Speaker 5: and eighty dollars raised, so that's at fifty two percent
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  Speaker 5: of the two hundred thousand dollars goal. And there's still
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  Speaker 5: again I guess about two weeks before May fourteenth, So
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  Speaker 5: keep the keep the money coming. Yeah, okay, yeah, we're good.
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  Speaker 5: That's a good job.
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  Speaker 1: Do you want to add more?
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  Speaker 5: No, No, I just didn't know. I wanted to make
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  Speaker 5: sure it's good.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I didn't feel like it was impassioned, like an
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  Speaker 1: impassioned plea in the end.
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  Speaker 4: Mm hmm.
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  Speaker 5: We're halfway.
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  Speaker 1: We're halfway. I'll be like, I want you to bring
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  Speaker 1: like jer.
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  Speaker 6: Music running in the background.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, maybe next time.
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  Speaker 1: Kick in.
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  Speaker 5: Now we're on we're on schedule.
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  Speaker 4: Let's go. We're still on schedule halfway through.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Oh, we have we have a we have a
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  Speaker 1: live guest here today. Her name is Katie Lane, and
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  Speaker 1: she's gonna talk to us about the ranching business. Cattle
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  Speaker 1: ranching business. Tell us now, so you guys are your
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  Speaker 1: family operates a ranch in eastern Montana and you are
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  Speaker 1: primarily a cow calf operation. Tell people what that is.
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  Speaker 7: So cow calf operation is we raise the cattle, and
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  Speaker 7: we raise the mother cows and then breed them every summer,
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  Speaker 7: have calves in the spring, and then we raise them
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  Speaker 7: until the fall they're about six months old, and then
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  Speaker 7: we sell them to a cattle buyer and they buy
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  Speaker 7: them and put them in feed lots all around the
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  Speaker 7: country and that's where they get fattened up and go
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  Speaker 7: into the grocery store.
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  Speaker 1: And that's the traditional business. Yes, and you have been
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  Speaker 1: you have embarked on an interesting enterprise.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Where you have you are trying to build, not trying,
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  Speaker 1: you have built it. You are growing a sort of
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to call it a side business, but
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  Speaker 1: like switching the switching your model around. And this is
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  Speaker 1: what I think might be interesting to listeners. So you've
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  Speaker 1: been in a traditional great planes arid grassland beef business. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and you're trying to switch your model and tell people
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  Speaker 1: what the mod the model you're trying to switch to.
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  Speaker 1: And within this, like all anybody hears about is like,
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  Speaker 1: beef prices are crazy right now, So is it even
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  Speaker 1: a good time to switch the model?
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  Speaker 7: Well, it's tough because I started back shortly after COVID
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  Speaker 7: and that was kind of I've had people asking to
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  Speaker 7: buy our beef for years. I would take coolers home
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  Speaker 7: to Minneapolis, where I'm from, every summer and I would
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  Speaker 7: take a couple coolers home with steaks and ground beef
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  Speaker 7: and give it to our family and friends and they
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  Speaker 7: would just hum about it when they were eating it,
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  Speaker 7: and they're like, can we buy this from you? I said,
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  Speaker 7: we don't really have that type of an operation. We
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  Speaker 7: just process one steer a year for our family and
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  Speaker 7: our crew. And they were like, well, if you're ever
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  Speaker 7: interested in selling it, we're interested in buying it. So
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  Speaker 7: I had those requests for several years. And I'm a
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  Speaker 7: nurse by trade, so I help on the ranch, but
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  Speaker 7: I would go to the clinic and see patients and
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  Speaker 7: that was my job. So COVID hits and there's this
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  Speaker 7: huge shift. More people want to know what's in their
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  Speaker 7: food they're cooking from home. They're filling freezers. The grocery
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  Speaker 7: store shelves are empty, and there's just this huge shift
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  Speaker 7: of people want to know what's in their food, they
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  Speaker 7: want to.
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  Speaker 8: They want to take better care of themselves.
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  Speaker 7: And so I said to my husband, Bill, I said,
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  Speaker 7: I think I can sell our beef. There are so
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  Speaker 7: many people asking for it, and a lot more people
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  Speaker 7: are interested in grass fed, and so I did a
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  Speaker 7: little trial run. I actually took two steers and I
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  Speaker 7: called family and friends back in Minnesota and I said, Hey,
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  Speaker 7: I'm going to bring out some beef. Are you guys interested?
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  Speaker 7: And I had it all sold before I went out there.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: OK, So we're coming home and everybody's like, when you
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  Speaker 7: coming back.
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  Speaker 8: It's like, I don't know.
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  Speaker 7: So I got home and I said, Bill, I think
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  Speaker 7: we've got something here. And so I developed a logo
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  Speaker 7: and started building a website to tell our story.
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  Speaker 8: And it started out with.
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  Speaker 7: Just a couple of cows a couple of beef every
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  Speaker 7: couple months, and I decided to just sell at farmer's
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  Speaker 7: markets direct to consumer, So locally, I went to some
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  Speaker 7: places in North Dakota, Miles City, Billings regionally, and all.
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  Speaker 8: Of our beef is USDA inspected.
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  Speaker 7: That's where it's processed at a USD inspected facility, so
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  Speaker 7: I can sell it. And Bill said, okay, every time
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  Speaker 7: you process beef, you're going to have hundreds and hundreds
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  Speaker 7: of pounds of burger.
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  Speaker 8: What are you going to do with all that ground beef?
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  Speaker 7: And I said, well, so the people that own the
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  Speaker 7: butcher facility also own a smokehouse and they make snacksticks
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  Speaker 7: and jerky. So that's where I started taking some of
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  Speaker 7: the extra trim to make beef sticks made out of
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  Speaker 7: grass fed beef, and then some of the extra hole muscle,
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  Speaker 7: so like round steak stuff that's a little tougher as
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  Speaker 7: a steak.
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  Speaker 8: Still makes really good jerky, even sirloin.
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  Speaker 7: So we started doing that and that kind of took
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  Speaker 7: gone a whole nother life of its own. It was
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  Speaker 7: shelf stable. Now I'm not having to transport frozen meat.
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  Speaker 7: And we got into we're in over one hundred retail
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  Speaker 7: locations now Town.
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  Speaker 8: Pump carries our beef sticks, which is great.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah and yeah, and so how do you picture a pathway?
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  Speaker 1: Is there a pathway to be that you would that
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  Speaker 1: you would only do that like that, you would even
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  Speaker 1: sell to cattle buyers anymore.
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  Speaker 7: Yes, that is the ultimate plan. And when this took off,
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  Speaker 7: the biggest problem is having a facility that can take
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  Speaker 7: cattle on a regular basis to process it. That's USDA inspected.
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  Speaker 7: Because I'm selling it in grocery stores.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, because you're not pre You're not. Because a lot
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  Speaker 1: of times I'll see, like a friend of mine, Dougi,
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  Speaker 1: used to do this business. He would have a very
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  Speaker 1: small amount he would pre sell them all. Yeah. So
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  Speaker 1: the consumer was basically buying it on the hoof. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and then it wasn't an inspected facility. But you're selling
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  Speaker 1: it like piece by piece after the facts, you have
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  Speaker 1: to have it inspected.
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  Speaker 8: Yep, yep.
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  Speaker 7: So I have a big walk in freezer out at
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  Speaker 7: the ranch that I have all the beef after I
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  Speaker 7: pick it up from the processor. It's all divided out
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  Speaker 7: by cuts. And then even if somebody wants a quarter
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  Speaker 7: beef or a half beef, I sell it that way.
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  Speaker 7: I just go basically pick the cuts that would make
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  Speaker 7: up that.
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  Speaker 8: So it's not always coming from the same animal.
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  Speaker 7: But we butcher in small quantities, so I'm not picking
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  Speaker 7: from one hundred you know, steers at a time, I'm
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  Speaker 7: picking from six eight.
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  Speaker 1: So when you go out on your place, because you
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  Speaker 1: guys are running a regular cattle operation, when you go
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  Speaker 1: out in your place and you're going out to get
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  Speaker 1: the stuff that you yourself are going to sell, how
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  Speaker 1: do you do you like pick the do you select?
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  Speaker 7: I have my own grass fed herd specifically.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so it's not even out at the same pool. No,
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  Speaker 1: you have this whole separate operation. And then how do
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  Speaker 1: you get them? How do you get them from the
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  Speaker 1: ranch to the slaughterhouse?
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  Speaker 8: I take them in a trailer.
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  Speaker 1: You load them up.
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  Speaker 7: We literally go out into the pasture in the morning,
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  Speaker 7: load them up, load them up, whatever looks finished, and
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  Speaker 7: I take them.
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  Speaker 1: In and it's all grass fed.
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  Speaker 8: It's all grass fed.
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  Speaker 7: We just got a GA certified, which is American grass
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  Speaker 7: Fed Association, So that's going to be on our logo
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  Speaker 7: now on our labels.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but now help me understand this part, because like
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  Speaker 1: when be if beef prices are so high, do you
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  Speaker 1: see that? More like, if you're a cow calf operation,
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  Speaker 1: you're just selling to cattle buyers. Who who is winning?
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  Speaker 1: When beef prices are high? There are the ranchers winning,
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  Speaker 1: more are the feed lots winning more. Are the restaurants
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  Speaker 1: winning more? Is it spread pretty evenly?
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  Speaker 7: Well, right now, I think the ranchers are winning more,
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  Speaker 7: but you.
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  Speaker 1: Guys will feel that beef price increase.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, oh yeah, our calves are selling for more than
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  Speaker 7: they've ever sold.
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  Speaker 1: God, and all the inputs are like right now, fuels
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  Speaker 1: pribly very expensive. So there's certain inputs that go like inflation,
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  Speaker 1: inputs that make it.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, even like the tractors and the equipment that we
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  Speaker 7: use on the ranch that's expensive now. Yeah, I mean
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  Speaker 7: you're looking at half a million dollar pieces of equipment
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  Speaker 7: to go out and farm and to put like we
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  Speaker 7: put up our own hay, so we've got a swathe,
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  Speaker 7: a rake, a bayler, all those things and the fuel
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  Speaker 7: to run it out in the field. And sometimes we
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  Speaker 7: don't have a lot of hay, so we've always got
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  Speaker 7: a storage backstorage.
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  Speaker 1: So that partially like having trying to run like a
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  Speaker 1: family business, to try to figure out a way, like
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  Speaker 1: what you're doing to I don't know, branch out or diversify,
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  Speaker 1: there's probably a lot of incentive to do that.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, I mean it was. It was probably a
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  Speaker 7: lot better when I first started because the market was
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  Speaker 7: a lot lower, so I was turning. You know, obviously
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  Speaker 7: the cattle are on our property for longer we're selling.
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  Speaker 7: When we're selling them as calves are only six months old,
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  Speaker 7: so now I'm keeping them for another year and a half.
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  Speaker 7: But we've got the grass, we've got the land to
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  Speaker 7: keep them.
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  Speaker 1: Yea.
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  Speaker 7: And so you know, it started out as just a
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  Speaker 7: little side hustle, and it's really grown into something bigger.
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  Speaker 7: And Bill said, I would love to eventually shift our
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  Speaker 7: whole herd into what was do that?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, man, just take control of it all.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And you and you hop in your truck. I know this.
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  Speaker 1: You hop in your truck. You got a trailer, you
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  Speaker 1: got freezers, and you make deliveries all over the place. Yep,
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  Speaker 1: you got restaurants. So tell people about that aspect of it.
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  Speaker 7: So we're in several grocery stores town and country.
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  Speaker 8: I go all the way up to Big Sky.
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  Speaker 7: I don't cover the whole state, but I kind of
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  Speaker 7: have this IE ninety I ninety four corridor that I
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  Speaker 7: drive and have several deliveries along the way. We're in
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  Speaker 7: a couple of restaurants and billings that have us on
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  Speaker 7: the menu, which is wonderful.
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  Speaker 1: So they'll say the menu'll say that.
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  Speaker 8: The menu actually says, yeah, Lane Legacy beef.
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  Speaker 1: That's cool.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: And then I ship most of the smoke products because
• 16:55
  Speaker 7: I can the frozen stuff, I just deliver.
• 16:58
  Speaker 8: I don't want to deal with we.
• 17:00
  Speaker 7: Live so remote that to overnight dry ice. Ye're just
• 17:04
  Speaker 7: not interested in doing that right now.
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: But you'll pull up to the restaurant and do the delivery.
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 17:09
  Speaker 9: I go to the loading dock, show up with my
• 17:13
  Speaker 9: cowboy boots and sometimes I walk back into a kitchen
• 17:17
  Speaker 9: and it's a bunch of guys and like, what are
• 17:18
  Speaker 9: you doing here?
• 17:20
  Speaker 8: Got your beef delivery? I'm the one doing it, all.
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: Right, So tell folks again this is great. And again,
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: you know, I love ranch land and grassland and a
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: lot better than condos. So it's good to see people
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: that can, like producers out on the landscape, able to
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: hold on to like large properties that serve as wildlife habitat,
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: and able to make those things work and not need
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: to carve them up.
• 17:47
  Speaker 8: And you know, well, and it's fun.
• 17:49
  Speaker 7: We just started doing virtual fencing here in the last
• 17:52
  Speaker 7: six posts, so our cows have collars no and we
• 17:56
  Speaker 7: can move them with the push of a button on
• 17:58
  Speaker 7: our cell phone. Really, yeah, we've had we've had neighbors
• 18:02
  Speaker 7: come out because there's just a few people that have
• 18:04
  Speaker 7: started doing it in our area and they will come
• 18:06
  Speaker 7: out and we'll do a shift and they and it's
• 18:09
  Speaker 7: they're not getting shocked.
• 18:11
  Speaker 8: They just get a vibration on their neck.
• 18:13
  Speaker 7: And so you can literally pick up the virtual boundary
• 18:16
  Speaker 7: and shift it over and the cows start getting up
• 18:19
  Speaker 7: and they start walking, and then when one goes, then
• 18:21
  Speaker 7: the other ones go and then they all kind of
• 18:23
  Speaker 7: want to go together.
• 18:24
  Speaker 8: Really without Yeah, it's incredible.
• 18:29
  Speaker 7: So you can you can heavily graze a smaller area
• 18:33
  Speaker 7: and then shift them and give that a break. If
• 18:37
  Speaker 7: you have bigger pastures with maybe a couple of stock tanks,
• 18:40
  Speaker 7: they all want to hang out around that one stock
• 18:43
  Speaker 7: tank and they're just overly grazing that area. So you
• 18:46
  Speaker 7: can create these like corridors. You can divide a square
• 18:49
  Speaker 7: pasture into you know, four rectangles and let them they
• 18:54
  Speaker 7: can still get access to water, but they can only
• 18:56
  Speaker 7: they have to eat over here.
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: Or yeah, you guys are dry country.
• 19:01
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean you got there's.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: Like you could be selling cactuses.
• 19:06
  Speaker 9: We dot jerky the next thing.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: So tell people again how to like if you're on
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: the I ninety ninety four cord or you want to
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: buy some you want to buy some Lane Legacy beef
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: from some cattle ranchers in montanae on how to find.
• 19:21
  Speaker 7: You Lane Legacybeef dot com. You can order online. We
• 19:25
  Speaker 7: ship all over the country as far as the smoke products,
• 19:28
  Speaker 7: so you can order online. And then if you can
• 19:32
  Speaker 7: buy our stuff at the grocery store, and if you
• 19:33
  Speaker 7: want to buy more than a couple of packages of
• 19:36
  Speaker 7: ground beef for a steak, you can order directly from
• 19:38
  Speaker 7: me and I can meet you along my delivery routes,
• 19:41
  Speaker 7: and I come out this way every month, so all right,
• 19:45
  Speaker 7: you're always getting fresh beef. You're not getting stuff that's,
• 19:48
  Speaker 7: you know, six months or a year old.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: Awesome. Thanks thanks to coming buy. Thanks thanks for educating
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: our you know, the ones that don't already know, educating
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: our audience about the beef business.
• 19:58
  Speaker 8: Thank you.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: We'll let you get out of here, unless you want
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: to stick around again, Katie Lane Lane Legacy Beef like
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: super cool business. Is cool to see you guys making
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: a go of like that. Thank you. We're not doing
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: corrections this week, not formally, at least not with the
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: prize giveaway. We'll resume that next week. We do, but
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: we do have one small correction to make. It only
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: because it's funny, ye, and it's from our calendar and time.
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: Is old calendar series, which Steve thought was a dead business,
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: but we might be bringing it back, that's all.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're gonna like the calendar business is waning, Yes,
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: like calendars are going out on the way of the
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: wagon wheel.
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: We've tried, We've tried.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: And so every year I think that the calendar will
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: do bad enough that we won't be asked to do
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: another calendar. But they don't do that bad and we
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: got next year, we're doing a calendar of wildlife diseases.
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: Yep.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: Everything will be a photo. Every month will be a
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: disturbing photo of a wildlife disease.
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but you'll learn a lot because the worst calendar you've.
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: Ever like this is like the pros.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: It'll be the ugliest, most upsetting, worst calendar you've ever seen,
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: and then we'll never make another calendar.
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: Now we're gonna probably use a lot of We're going
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: to get our own pictures for this one. On like
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: the last few calendars, but you got a real good
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: picture of a messed up animal.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: If you had a real puff pocket or something.
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: Let us know, Yeah, where do you go if this?
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: If this does work? Where do you go after that? Okay?
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: Rotten fish on beaches like a calendar of like, yeah,
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: the best rotten fish on the beach.
• 21:52
  Speaker 9: Yah.
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: Yeah, we could do another outhouse calendar, but just from
• 21:55
  Speaker 5: the inside the inside.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, forgotten this. This typeo is funny.
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: Now Steve and I are the creative force behind it.
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: These calendars say, you can't blame us for this this typo.
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: I'm not sure if you're aware, but uh, May fifth
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: is Cinco de Mayo, not on that calendar. On this calendar,
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: Cinco de Mayo is on May the fourth. Be with you.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: Anyway, And for you people that don't speak Spanish, if
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: one was to translate Cinco de Mayo, it translates to
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: the fifth of May.
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: It does the quatro of Demayo.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: But here we have it on the fourth. I don't
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: know who would have made that mistake.
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: And we just wanted to get it out there so
• 22:40
  Speaker 5: that no one is confused. It goes to their Sinco Demayo.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: Gathering, and then we get us, then we get sued.
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: May it's uh, May the fourth be with you not
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: not Cinco de Mayo, sinko to Miles. On the fifth
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: there we go.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: Thank you, Brody, good job. So got rode in. Nope,
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: he didn't right in. We just found this out because
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: it's publicly available information. We were talking about how so
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: all the cool kids over the last I don't know,
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: six years, five years, all the cool kids hunt turkeys
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: with something called tungsten super shot, extremely expensive and getting
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: now insanely expensive. Now if you shoot a tungsten super
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: shot load, it's about eleven dollars to pull the trigger
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: with tungsten. Tungsten is kind of going off the market,
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: and part of the thing is they use it in munitions.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: So we're talking about how the government is buying up
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: all the tungsten. Tungsten for homeown tungsten for just regular
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: sportsmen is getting insanely expensive to the point where it's
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: probably not even going to be around anymore. And we
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: have heard rumors murmurings that in the future, in the
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: near future, in a year or two, you won't even
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: be able to buy tungsten shot shells. Anymore. So, so
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: check this out. So an Abrams tank. Okay, a guy
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: wrote O with a bunch of information about Abrams tanks.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: They carry. Abrams tanks carry three kinds of shells. One
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: is a depleted uranium rod called a kinetic penetrator. I
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: was reading up on the son everyone stood it. It really
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: is like if you take uranium and use it to
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: make fissile like nuclear material. These rods are. When they
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: say depleted uranium, it's like it's it's a uranium rod
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: that has already had somehow the radioactivity has been harvested
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: off it in a way that I'll never understand. But
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: it produces a rod when you sharpen it. It depleted
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: uranium rod self sharpens on impact. I didn't know this.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: It doesn't mushroom wild. Yeah, so when you make it
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: pointed on impact, it sharpens more. That's how it sheds material.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: It doesn't have a tendency to want to mon USh room.
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: Also, so you want to poke a hole in something.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: Like you want to poke a hole in another army tank.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: It shoots four to five times the speed of sound,
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: and it just really is a sharp rod. But when
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: it upbraids on something at high speed. The flakes come
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: off as white hot metal that ignite gas and ammunition
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: and stuff they carry those. One of the things they
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: carry is a can round. Okay, now here's where all
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: your tungsten is. Here's if you're a taxpayer, here's where
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: your tungsten ammo's going. I had no idea about this.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: A can round fired from an Abrams tank contains one thousand,
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: one hundred four at buck tungsten pellets. Picture this quad
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: on quad aught buck eleven hundred tungsten buckshot balls at
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: four point five times the speed of sound. No, four
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: and a half times faster than your federal premium TSS load.
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: Wait, you talk about killing turkey so long range.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: So you shoot a turkey out of a shotgun. This, this,
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: this four hought buck is going four point five times
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: faster than out of your shotgun.
• 26:21
  Speaker 5: Which is like fourred feet per second.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: He says that every time they shoot this tank shell,
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: and this is meant to be like for anti tank
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: crews or masked personnel, every time they touch off one
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: of these tank rounds, he said, there goes one hundred
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: and fifty five shotgun loads worth of TSS.
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: So I'm gonna do the math. How much is that
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: a lot?
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a tungsten jigheads for fishing right now are
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: just outrageous.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: Yep, because of this guy.
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: Hey, I think my quarter rounds two quarter abounds jake
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: heads on Rapple's website is nineteen dollars and forty nine cents.
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah for two.
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: All those tongues and beads that fly fishermen used, they're
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: going to go away too. I didn't even think about
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: the fishing end of it.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're killing tungsten users. It's fine.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: The thing about it, there's there's there's lakes out there
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: that are like no lead lakes.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: Yepy fishermannymore to make a comeback, though, I think so.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: This guy also waited on something. Who in here says
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: a saboted Sabbath.
• 27:34
  Speaker 10: I had no idea that this is wrong.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: Well, I knew that it's split. He's very firmly that
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: it's a Sabo. It is not as sabboted as Sabbath.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: I say Sabbath, French, I say sab but he argues Sabo.
• 27:49
  Speaker 10: I pulled up Merriam Webster and they accept both pronunciations.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: Not this guy, not this army, not this army tank
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: driver guy. I just outed him. He said, not to
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: say who he was. He's an army tank driver. Hopefully
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: there's enough of them around that they won't be able
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: to I mean to stick it to him.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: I feel like that that'd be the only type of
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: guy that would have this information.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: Oh it's all public, he said.
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: Say the driver just says he works with Thanks. Could
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: be okay, wider net Ah.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: Okay, Now we got a correction, special edition. This is
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: gonna take a ton of time. This is like a
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: long this is a long time correction. Okay. So we
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: covered on a pass I'll get this whole thing. We
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: covered on a past episode Colorado's for sale ban that
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: is in the rulemaking process in Colorado. So in that
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: correct we talked about a woman named Samantha Miller. Okay,
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: So Samantha Miller helped bring you the end of Washington's
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: Spring black Bear season.
• 28:58
  Speaker 9: Uh.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: Her organ help bring on a malfeacent game commission in Washington,
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: which is under investigation. We'll cover that soon, a derelict
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: game commission in Colorado. They helped bring you a failed
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: effort to ban mountain lion hunting in Colorado. And now
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: the proposed ban on the sale of products from all
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: fur bearing animals in Colorado. Well, she herself has written
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: in some corrections about our coverage of the anti hunting
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: and trapping efforts of the Center for Biological Diversity. So
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: I'm going to deliver these corrections with commentary. Okay, but
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: first some background. You handled this story, you brody. Okay.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: In March, Colorado Parks and Wildlife Commission voted six to
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: four to advance to rule making a citizen's posit petition
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: to prohibit the lawful sale barter in trade of fur
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: bearing animals. So it would become illegal in Colorado to sell,
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: barter or trade hides from parts or high parts, by
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: which we mean les. You talk about vaculums. Oh, all
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: this stuff about RFK junior and the raccoon penis. Of
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: all the news people that have touched this, how come
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: not one of them has made the guess of what
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: was going on there because they don't know. There's all
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: these news stories RFK juniors stopped and took a penis
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: from a dead raccoon. Yeah, not one of these news stories.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: It hasn't occurred to any of them. He was getting
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: the vaculum. Yeah, he was getting the vaculum to make
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: like a drink stir. Oh no, one.
• 30:31
  Speaker 5: Says this, Oh, I thought that was in the news story.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: Find me a news story that includes that he was
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: after the baculum.
• 30:39
  Speaker 10: Did he say you wanted for a drinkster?
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: No, but of course that's what he's doing. Yeah, but
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: he wanted the baculum.
• 30:47
  Speaker 10: Or he's got a moonshine.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: Still, okay, Yeah, this I needed like three hours to
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: go through it. I have to, Okay, So it would
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: become illegal in Colorad to cell hides of raccoons, possums, skunks, muskrats, bobcats,
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: and a bunch of other fur bears. A deeper background here.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: Colorado's outgoing governor's a guy named Jared Polis. His husband
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: is a self described animal welfare advocate. So when this
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: guy does his little bio, that's what he puts that down. Okay,
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: he puts down how he's a first gentleman, and he
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: puts down that he's a animal welfare advocate. He's chummy.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: He's chummy with animal rights radicals like the crew at
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: Center for Biological Diversity. So like Nancy Reagan, if you
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: think like first gentleman. First, lady, think like Nancy Reagan
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: had just say no to drugs, Barbara Bush, universal literacy,
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: Carter's wife, mental health. Did you know this?
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: Who is the one that was anti swearing in songs?
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: Al Gore's wife. That's right, but but he wasn't President of.
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: I know it's the same thing.
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: It was close. It was close. This guy's got animal rights.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: That's his that's his stick him. This is my personal theory.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: I don't know this is true for the truth, but
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: him having such pro close proximity to the governor, meaning
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: they're married. The governor then appointed and Colorado the governor
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: pointed a bunch of animal rights advocate game commissioners who
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: are sort of hostile to the traditional job of what
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: game commissioners do. And so once they got the Game
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: Commission stocked up with these people. In Juno last year,
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: they submitted a petition to the Game Commission to amend
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: Colorado's regulations to outlaw trade and for bearing animals. Part
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: of what makes this whole thing interesting is that Colorado
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: Parks and Wildlife Director Laura Clellan, who was appointed by
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: the objected, objected to the petition on several grounds, so
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: the agency director says, I don't want this petition one
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: the petitioners Center for Biological Diversity. They couldn't demonstrate any
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: decline in fur bearing animals. Okay, they couldn't demonstrate a
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: relationship between sales of fur and declining animal numbers. It
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: didn't acknowledge the existing strict regulations on the take of
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: fur bears. It cited misleading research that had nothing to
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: do with Colorado, and it conflicts with state statute and
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: its exceptions are badly defined, and we create unenforceable rules.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: This is coming from the governor's own appointed commissioner, but
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: they go through it anyways.
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: So director, not commissioner.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: Sorry director, So back to the to the corrections came
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: in from from Samantha Miller. So she runs state level
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: anti hunting and anti trapping campaigns. So she's with the
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: Center for Biological Diversity. It's called a campaigner is the job,
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: and that means you campaign for like anti hunting and
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: trapping campaigns.
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: She was predator campaigner, wasn't she Carnival?
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, even though they deal with omnivores and herbivores here
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: her own bio. One of the things she says, she says,
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: in the past, I advocated alongside Mountain Lion Foundation in
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: my role as the executive director of Washington Wildlife First,
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: a pre a former gig. During that time, she says,
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: we achieved significant victories for wildlife in Washington State, such
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: as the prohibition of spring bear hunting. So right there.
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: Part of the aim of the job is the reform
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: wildlife commissions, which means working with what I feel to
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: be like glible governors to bring anti hunting and anti
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: trapping folks into commissions, which is what she worked on
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: over in Water, Washington, where they had the placement the
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: commissioners who then ended the spring bear hunt. What's really
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: fascinating is the same group of commissioners are being investigated
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: for mal feasts and destruction of government property in Washington.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: We have a show coming up where we'll dig into
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: that investigation and that Saucy also one of the commissioners
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: that Pole was put on hadn't gone did this vote
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: voted for the fur Sales Band in Colorado, but they
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: hadn't yet been approved by the Senate. They didn't get
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: the votes to get approved. So now they resigned because
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: once like they were appointed, voted for the fur ban
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: and then the date they were acting right.
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: And some of that vote still stands.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, But then the date came up for them to
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: get voted on by the State Senate and he doesn't
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: have the vote, so he just resigns rather than I
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: feel like that's chicken shit. I feel like you should
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: stick it out like it get voted. But he, like
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: Harry carry like death before dishonor so he's not even
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: the commission anymore. They were. He wasn't gonna get voted in,
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: but he got to vote on this.
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: He did. He did what he was there to do,
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: which is cast that vote.
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So Miller campaigns on behalf of anti hunting initiatives. Okay,
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: so she worked on the recently failed effort to ban bobcat,
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: mountain lion, and even linx hunting and links hunting doesn't
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: exist in the lower forty eight because they are an
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: Endangered Species Act protected animal. But who let that little
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: detail get in the way of something that sounds important?
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: So I think that when we get into these corrections,
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: it's important to keep that in mind because you've already
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: laid out You've laid out when you said, like I
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: want to ban Bobcat, mountain lion hunting. You've already laid out,
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: like what your end goal is. Do you know what
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: I'm saying. Look, if you took a guy like like
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: if Mike Lee came up with a thing where he said, oh,
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: I just want to sell some public lands, you'd be like, yeah,
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: but I kind of know you don't like any of them, right,
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: Like I already know what you think. So that's already
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: been Like, the end goal has already been like quite clear. Okay,
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: But correction one, she says, our petition, this is a
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: correction from Miller. Our petition is not the same as
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: the Denver furband, and that distinction matters. The Denver measure
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: concerned retail sale of fur products regardless of source. Our
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: petition is far narrower. It addresses the commercial sale of
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: pelts and parts from Colorado wild fur bears killed in Colorado.
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: Now I'd have to go re listen to the whole thing.
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: I don't think in any way you said or I said,
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: this is the same as the Denver I.
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: Certainly said something like this was attempted a couple of
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: years ago.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: Okay, so you're guilty. Correction taken.
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: Sure, we didn't get into the details of Yeah, I'm
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: glad she brought it up.
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: I'm glad the correction brought up because I want to
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: point out the Denver furband was defeated by voters in Denver,
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: in Denver, not Colorado in general. It was defeated by
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: voters in Denver. So this new effort, this new Colorado
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: wide first sale band, is like taking your trojan horse
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: anti hunting commissioners and getting them to do what voters
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: didn't even want to do. Okay, well, a funny addition
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: here on to get to this pushback. One of the
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: things that helped tank the Denver fir sale band was
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: the fly fishing community. I was reading about this to day.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: The fly fishing community was pissed about it because they're like,
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: what about our flies? Right? Keep that in mind because
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: that ties into what I'm going to get in a minute.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: So fly fishermen, of which Colorado has a great many,
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: We're like, hold on a minute, you wouldn't be able
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: to buy flies beaver, and so they learned their lesson there,
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: as I'll get to in a minute. Okay, here's her second.
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: Here's another crack. She gave a bunch, but I'm doing
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: a bunch of them she gave. If she gave eight,
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: I'm doing four or something like that.
• 39:06
  Speaker 10: What was her telling was she angry? Was she like,
• 39:09
  Speaker 10: I want you to understand this.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: Better, understand it better that we were wrong about some things.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: She says. The petition would not eliminate the economic viability
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: of nuisance, wildlife control or similar work. Colorado law already
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: allows continued sale of pelts and parts and certain nuisance
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: and agricultural contexts. That sale would continue to be allowed
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: and is protected by law. Okay, got it, correction taken.
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: We had a we had a guy right in with
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: that same.
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: But this is where this creates huge problems. Okay. As
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: pointed out by the wildlife director, a person working on
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: agricultural depredation stuff doesn't even need a license. Okay, So
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: here's the state director. Here's where their thing is. How
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: can the state possibly distinguish if a farmer kills raccoons
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: from getting into a grain bin, or if a kid
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: down the road from that farmer kills a raccoon not
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: getting into a grain bin. How would the state ever
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: distinguish between these two raccoons when they come up for sale.
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: There's no tagging system. So part of the state saying
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: this is so dumb is they're like, we already have
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: a way that things can hit the market. You're trying
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: to make another way that things can hit the market,
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: and then we're supposed to be able to tell. So
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: that's part of the unenforceable quality to it. Okay, here's
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: another correction, and I'm gonna bring all this together in
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: a minute, but here's another correction. She says the petition
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: applies to a narrow category of Colorado wild fur bearers
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: under Title thirty three. It does not apply to all
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: wild animals. Okay, got it understood, Bears only for a
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: bears only. It applies to fur bearing animals that can
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: be legally hunted or trapped. Okay, so, raccoons, opossums, skunks, muskrats, beavers,
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: long tailed weasels, bobcats, coyotes, gray fox, red fox, martin mink, muskrat.
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: Hold all that in mind. I'm gonna come back around
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: to this too. She says it is not accurate to
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: suggest commercial markets pose no population level concern when population
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: status and harvest data for several fur bear species remain uncertain.
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: I get the point. You're making but your state agency disagrees. Okay,
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: but she routinely attacks state agency workers in an effort
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: to delegitimize them. For instance, her words this is her
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: she describes the State Commission as having extremist views. Her words,
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: I thought state agencies took care of wildlife, that they
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: were managing for wild animals, but really they managed for
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: humans interest in wild animals and the value that they
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: can put on each species, which is usually by selling
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: tags for hunting or fishing licenses. Going on her words,
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: agencies like Colorado Parks and Wildlife are enterprise agencies. They
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: are there to make money, and they make money by
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: selling tags. Let's get to the population thing. Of all
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: those fur bears in Colorado, each of them has a
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: listing from the International Union for the Conservation of Nature
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: called IUCN. Anyone at home, if you go to look
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: up any animal, you can think about Wikipedia. Go on
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: the Wikipedia and look up name an animal stripeskunk type.
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: In stripeskunk and Wikipedia, you'll see the entry hovering off
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: to the right. You'll see a a icon and a
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: i u c N status for that species.
• 43:04
  Speaker 4: I think they have colors of maybe such a color icon,
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: it's holnerable, near threatened.
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: It's a very nuanced.
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: System species of least concern.
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna get to how nuanced it is. It is
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: a very nuanced system. The i u c ND system
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: goes like this, extinct, extinct in the wild, critically endangered, endangered, vulnerable,
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: near threatened, and least concern. Every one of these fur
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: bears in Colorado has an i u c N ranking
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: of least concern.
• 43:39
  Speaker 4: Can I point out something else about all those species
• 43:42
  Speaker 4: you haven't been able to trap. I'm in Colorado for
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: thirty years. You can still hunt them, but people aren't
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: trapping for fur in Colorado anymore. Like it just does.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: It's not a little bit a little because you can
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: cage trapping private land, private land for the whole Like
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: it's just they've already they've already crippled it, which maybe
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: someday we'll undo. So all of these things, the IUCN
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: offers one, two, three, four, five, six, The IUCN offers
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: seven levels. Each of these fur bears that we're talking
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: about here are all least concerned. But here's what it
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: gets interesting. Colorado has if you're interested, if you're the
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: center for biological diversity, and you're interested in biological diversity,
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: why are you not focused on the seventeen species in
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: Colorado that are that are listed as threat, federally threatened,
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: or in danger. Why are you not spending your time
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: on blackfooted ferrets, New Mexico, metal jumping mice, humpback chubs, razorbacksuckers,
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: Southwestern willow flycatchers, pawnee montane skippers, seventeen plant species? Why
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: not do that? If you were interested in biological diversity,
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: this is gonna be undistasteful to you. You would you
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: would be volunteering for Ducks Unlimited or RMEF and doing
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: habitat work.
• 45:10
  Speaker 4: Trout Unlimited.
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: You would be doing habitat work if you were interested
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: in biodiversity. Ducks Unlimited, wetlands, Rocky Mountain out foundation, grassland ecosystems,
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: Trout unlimited river ecosystems. That's what you would do. If
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: you were interested in biodiversity, you wouldn't be messing around
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: like with striped skunk protections. It's because you're not, like,
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: they're not looking at what matters for biodiversity, They're looking
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: at where they can successfully shut down hunting activities. Here's
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: another one correction. Another correction fly tying materials were explicitly
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: accounted for in drafting. This is from Miller. She says,
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: the petition was designed narrowly to avoid disrupting ordinary fly
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: tying and retail supply chain. It is aimed at the
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: commercial sale of pelts and parts from Colorado wild fur bearers,
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: not at ending fly tying understood. Correction understood, And I
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: want to take this a step further. Here's the Agency
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: director on the fly fishing thing. This is the Agency
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: director's words. There are two significant problems with the first
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: exemption in the proposed amendment for quote finished hand tied
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: fishing flies. That's what the petition says. That's okay. The
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: petition says, it is okay to have quote finished hand
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: tied fishing flies. Okay, the director. This proposed exemption is
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: too narrow, as it would exempt finished hand tied flies
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: but prohibit the sale of the raw materials typically used
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: to tie flies. The resulting ban on fly tying products
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: could result in signific impacts to the Colorado fishing community community,
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: both fly shops and individual consumers. Two, this proposed exemption
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: is unworkable under the current regulatory framework. The current framework
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: does not define fishing flies generally. Rather, it only defines
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: artificial flies and lures. In order for the band to
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: be enforceable, its exemptions must be clearly applied, and the
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: Commission would need to develop a separate definition for a finished,
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: hand tied fishing fly. However, there can be misunderstandings or
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: disagreements as to whether something qualifies as a fly versus
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: a lure. Furthermore, because the exemption language does not include
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: handmade lures, any such lures using fur products would fall
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: outside this exemption to be banned for sale. So flies
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: are okay, bucktail jigs are illegal yep.
• 48:01
  Speaker 4: And as someone who ran a fly shot for a
• 48:05
  Speaker 4: long time, there was a lot of stuff on that
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: fly tying wall. We would have a yank off the wall.
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's so funny. But you're like, why
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: would they care about fly fishermen because fly fishermen boned
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: them on their Denver fur band. So now they're so
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: short sighted they're like, yeah, walleye guy with a bucktail
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: Jigscrew that guy. A fly fisherman? Cool if it's hand tied.
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: So there's there's this quote, I like, it's uh, you
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: can get bump. There's bumper stickers to say this. People
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: are more violently opposed to fur than leather because it's
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: safer to harass rich old ladies than motorcycle gangs. I've
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: changed that quote. I've adapted that quote. People are more
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: violently opposed to fur than flies because it's safer to
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: harass rich old ladies than rich old men. Get it it. Okay,
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: here's another exemption.
• 49:06
  Speaker 4: Oh, there's more.
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: Just getting this exception is insane.
• 49:12
  Speaker 4: Was this all done through email or did you talk
• 49:15
  Speaker 4: to her.
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: Me reading and me reading and getting emails? Okay, now here,
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: here's another This is this demonstration insanity? Is this stupid petition?
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: Okay the petition? Okay, this is the petition's words. Okay.
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: They have an exemption and it pertains to felted fur
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: western hats. If okay, if if the hat is quote
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: un quoting, if the hat is quote crafted using heritage
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: techniques like wet felting that promote sustainability and cultural craftsmanship
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: unquote from director. The petition does not define the necessary
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: elements of the exemption. For this exemption to be meaningful,
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: the Commission or the Division would need to define a
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: felted fur Western hat, as well as to define accepted
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: quote heritage techniques, as well as determining which whether such
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: techniques quote promote sustainability in cultural craftsmanship. The Commission and
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: the Division cannot guess what petitioners mean by these terms,
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: nor do they have the historic or artistic expertise to
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: meaningfully determine what qualifies as a quote heritage technique that
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: promotes quote cultural craftsmanship. It's so dumb. If you had
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: a hat, if you were selling a hat that was
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: just a beaver fur and you could have made it
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: with a bone all. Okay. You could be a Native
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: American woman making a beaver fur hat with a bone all,
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: and it would not be regarded as a heritage technique
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: or cultural craftsmanship. It has to be in the form
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: of a cowboy hat. It's so dumb. You have to
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: take all the hair off and make it a cowboy hat,
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: and then in their mind it becomes okay, I readid
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: my quote again? Remember the quote? Where's the original quote.
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: People are more violently opposed to fur than leather because
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: it's safer to harass rich old ladies. The motorcycle gangs.
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: People are more violently opposed to fur than cowboy hats
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: because it's safer to harass rich old ladies than thirty
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: year old women from New Jersey buying a big goofy
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: hat for a summertime outdoor wedding and veil.
• 51:45
  Speaker 4: I like it.
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: I'm in that quote up. I can say Bozeman too, Miller, Well,
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: it's trying to keep in Colorado. Yeah.
• 51:52
  Speaker 4: True.
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: Here's another craction from Miller. Wow, rabbits are small game,
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: not for not for a brand sabbit. They would not
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: be considered under this petition. Got it, bro, He's wrong. Yeah,
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: another correction. This petition does not ban personal use. Hunters
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: and trappers could still keep and use animals they lawfully
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: take for personal purposes. I know we framed the whole
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: conversation as being about a first sale band. We never
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: talked about a use band. Now. I was discussing the
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: logic of this all by demonstrating what is considered to
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: be okay in the Center for Biological Diversities eyes and
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: what's not okay, right, like things like flies cool spinners
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: not cool, felt made from a beaver hat cool? Or
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: like a hat made from felt made from beaver cool,
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: a hat made from fur, from a beaver. Not cool, okay,
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: And again it's tainted by other efforts like the Bobcat
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: Mountain Lion band. They just tried to do. This doesn't
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: occur in a vacuum. Now here's some other quotes to
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: get an idea how Miller think. Okay, she likes people
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: like to make this point. We're talking about this fir thing.
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: They like, they love to make this point that like
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: it goes against the north of our own north. They
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: like to take the North America model of wildlife conservation
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: throw it back in Hunter's faces. Okay, So she's like
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: the commercialization of fur bears. She says, it is to
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: make commercialization of fur bears. This petition is to make
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: commercialization of fur bears align with other big game species.
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: To me, this is a simple question. This is Miller talking,
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: why are we allowing the sale of wildlife in one species,
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: in one category of species rather than others. She also
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: says this today, I really do urge you to support
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: this petition. It's a common sense change. It's a low
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: bar for our wildlife. It should not be for sale. Okay.
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: When when when Miller walks in to a whole Foods
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: and her mind must be absolutely blown when she sees
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: wild caught Alaska salmon and whole foods. Her mind must
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: be blown when she sees golf shrimp for sale and
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: whole foods. How could that be? How could we be
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: selling wildlife? Because different wildlife has different conservation histories. Game
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: animals became a no sale item. Fur bearing animals never
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: went through a collapse that necessitated it. Same thing like,
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: why can you sell wildcaught salmon? If our wildlife shouldn't
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: be for sale, why is it okated by a wildcast salmon?
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: Because salmon, which is wildlife, is under an entirely different
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: management structure with a different conservation story. It's just different.
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: Fur bears are different. When when Roosevelt was considering ways
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: to stop the market slaughter, they were concerned about raccoons
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: and possums because those things weren't critically they weren't like
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: at a critical conservation point, there was no a recovery effort.
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: So it's just they have a just like how you
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: can buy salmon, you can buy raccoon first. Okay, She
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: also says this. She says, I don't believe carnifork. I
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: don't believe carnivores need. This is the thing you'll find
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: again and again in this language, and careful with the language.
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: She says, I don't believe carnivores need to be killed, period.
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: Like that's just where I'm at. That's a quote, okay,
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: And apparently not omnivores either, because she's worked to end
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: bear hunts. Okay, but it's an interesting wildlife distinction. And
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: and and when we in wildlife management, not often do
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: we manage wildlife by diet. Okay, Like a northern pike
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: is a carnivore.
• 55:43
  Speaker 4: Well, I mean raccoon's an omnible a fox.
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: It's an interesting way to like manage wildlife. You'd be like,
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it by diet. Okay. Herbivores cool? Well,
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: beavers are herbivorous, but that's not cool, So like, stop
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: talking to me about what they eat as a management tool, and.
• 56:03
  Speaker 4: A management tool is not I just feel like carnivores
• 56:07
  Speaker 4: should not be killed. That's not a management strategy.
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: She says this. I think that people that hunt predators
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: for fun. Okay, remember that word need. I'm gonna come
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: back to the word and need, you know, come back
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: to the word fun. She says, I think that people
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: that hunt predators for fun have a very specific personality
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: type that I would not want to be around by myself. Also, this,
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: let's just remove this is a quote. Let's just remove
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: the four funsies part, the killing for funsies. Let's maybe
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: take that away while we figure out how to get
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: these animals back where we want them. She says this
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: this is commercial killing, with lion hunting guides charging an
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: eight thousand dollars fee to guarantee a trophy, and trappers
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: selling bobcat pelts to China. Okay. Often describes hunters as remorseless,
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: which is a weird one. She says, this is animal
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: cruelty that's allowed to continue to our wildlife. And I
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: think every Colorado knows that this isn't really hunting. Okay,
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: there's real hunting, and that this isn't it.
• 57:23
  Speaker 4: She should tell me what real hunting is.
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: Okay, Well, this is this. This is a quote trophy
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: exercise for heads and coats and nothing more than that.
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: Here's another word that comes up again, quote needless killing
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: of mountain lions and bobcats for their heads and beauty
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: and beautiful fur coats. Okay, She says this about bear
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: hunters in Washington. A fraction of a percentage of Washingtonians,
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: including Fish and Wildlife Director Kelly Susselwind, have fun killing
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: bears in spring. She says this. The Commission continued to
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: approve spring bear hunting long after the department could show
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: any management need. So if you look at what they say,
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: what they're saying is if there's no need, if there's
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: no management need, don't hunt it. Okay, Well, I have
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: news for you. There is no need to fish walleye.
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: There is no management need to fish walleye. There is
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: no management need to fish rainbow trout. There is no
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: management need to hunt pheasants. There's no management need to
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: hunt turkeys. Turkeys do not have a demonstrable like effect
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: in a negative way. So when you introduced that idea,
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: like do you need is there a management need for
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: a hunt? You're left with like hogs in Texas.
• 58:48
  Speaker 4: Sure, maybe whitetails where they're over white tails.
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: But that's her way of looking at it. Is there
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: a management need? It's okay, So you can't do it
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: if it's fun. She wants to end the stuff for fun. Okay,
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: you shouldn't enjoy hunting. That's out. Not if you want
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: to sell something, that's out. If you like taxidermy, that's out.
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: If there's not a need, that's out. I'm lost on
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: what's left. If if it's enjoyable, don't. If you're gonna
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: have it's stuffed in your house, don't.
• 59:25
  Speaker 4: Right, Well, it's just crazy that she spends all this
• 59:27
  Speaker 4: time setting up these like arguments that are made to
• 59:30
  Speaker 4: sound like reasonable and sophisticated, and then she ends with
• 59:34
  Speaker 4: this stuff.
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: Here's the here's the yeah, here's some of the final
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: best stuff. Apparently there was someone secretly recorded a meeting
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: of the Biological diversity people and their followers. Someone tapped
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: in and recorded the meeting. Okay, and this demonstrates some
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: insanity that goes on with the commission. Okay. So they
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: had these commission meetings about this first sale band, and
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: they have their own commissions they've placed within it. The
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: animal rights community has their own commissions. Sitting there in
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: this recorded meeting, they're telling their supporters about the cohesion
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: they've created with the commissioners. She says this. She's addressing
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: a guy named Mark. Okay, and this she says this Mark, everyone,
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: it's fine. Let them do that. The commissioners know that
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: that is coming. I have run through every single scenario
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: of things that might hit them, including children coming up
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: there in crying and saying this is their favorite thing
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: to do with their dad, or all of those pieces,
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: everything that will be thrown at them. They know that
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: all of that is coming, and they are aware. They
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: are aware to be prepared for anything. We will be
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: your consistent and reliable support. So she's explicitly confirming that
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: she is pre briefed Colorado Park and Wildlife commissioners on
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: the content of public testimony. They will hear. Okay, She's like,
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: they're gonna tell you this, They're gonna tell you that.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: She also says she's telling she's telling a person in
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: this little secret community. She's telling them. She's coaching them
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: on what to say in the commission meeting. She says,
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: I think you can say support this petition and these
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: people are obviously commercialized, commercializing wildlife, and that's the end
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: of your comments. I think that if that's going to
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: be your reason, Michelle, just show up and say I
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: support the petition and know that I have one of
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: the commissioners prepared to address that. That is very interested
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: in that point you brought up and is planning to
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: talk about it. Okay, So here they are planting a
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: comment and planting a commissioner who's ready to address the comment.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: She says this, we have been directed from the governor's office.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: Don't let us be shown up in Denver. This is
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: the next meeting. It will be in Grand Junction. It's
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: like quote inside of quote, this is the governor talking.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: It's like, you guys are in Denver. Don't let them
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: show you up in Denver. So here directly conveying that
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: they're taking their charge. They're taking their They're marching on
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: behalf of the Governor's office, the governors. It's it's planned. Anyways,
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: what's next?
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 4: What's next? May sixth and seventh in Grand Junction when
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 4: the vote takes place, Like you're in Colorado, so stupid,
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 4: go raise some hell on Grand Junction when they have
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 4: this this next vote.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 5: The days after sincod Mile, that's right, and May who know?
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 5: And those days after sinking to Mile.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 4: That's a real fantastic expose there.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: Steel report. Yeah, it's like sixty it's like listening to
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: sixty minutes or something. But one of the most sixty.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 5: Minutes, one of the most agreeable close to sixty minutes.
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  Speaker 10: One of the most egregious things. She said, I'm just paraphrasing.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 10: Maybe you can find the exact quote, Steve, but it
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 10: was something about like Colorado Parks and Wildlife's goals to
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 10: make money, and they make money by selling tags and
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 10: fishing license and stuff. Those agencies are not money making operations,
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 10: like they're money losing operations.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 4: In fact, it's like.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: Because it's because it's this constant thing of like there's
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: this constant thing of like you delegitimize the it's you
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: delegitimize the agency. In people's eyes, it's that the agency
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: is bad, they want to kill everything off. They're just
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: there to make money. You like, delegitimize the agency and
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: delegitimize the agency.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 10: But the way she framed it is though they're like
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 10: you know, carrying around money bags from licensed sales, and
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 10: usually it's the other way around that, like they need
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 10: to take money from other parts of the state to
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 10: fund this sort of thing. In Montana, like we have
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 10: what is a twenty percent marijuana tacks that supports our
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 10: public lands. So there's an example of where like we're
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 10: going to take money out of this bucket, because you know,
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 10: our Parks and Wildlife and Division needs that kind of funding.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: That's how you know these people aren't true to mission,
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: because if they're a true to mission, they'd be working
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: on an alternate funding mechanism. I looked at like what
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: Minnesota has, Like what Missouri has.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 10: Their mission is to perpetuate the wildlife resources of the state,
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 10: to provide a quality state park system, and to provide
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 10: enjoyable and sustainable outdoor recreational.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 4: App That's FWP's mission.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: No Colorado's yeah, yeah, oh, are say the other thing again.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 10: To perpetuate the wildlife resources of the state, to provide
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 10: a quality state parks system, and to provide enjoyable and
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 10: sustainable outdoor recreation opportunity. They're not a money making organized.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: There, jingle. That's why you see those those game wardens
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: walking around with gold teeth and stuff.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 5: Well, they get their their tag sail bonuses every fall.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 4: When they roll up to you, they get their keys
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 4: out the water cash falls on the ground.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: All right, I'm done with that.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 4: You're done, I guess that, am I next? I'm serious though,
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 4: And if you're in Colorado, I'll go to Grand Junction
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 4: on May six and seven and make some noise.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: I think the whole thing's gotta go away. It's so funny.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah, let's hope. So let's hope. So let me find
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 4: where I'm at. What am I talking?
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: And we are going to do a follow up about
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: this commission because the Washington Washington commissions where she worked too,
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: they got commissions under investigation for destroying government.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 4: Probably to find out the other state. She's been talking
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 4: to commissioners, and there's gotta be more. Okay, I'm gonna
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 4: talk about some federal concervation funding. Steve sent an email
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 4: the other day to me and Krin which is like, hey,
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 4: here's some good news, which is which is great, but
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 4: there's also some bad news. The good news is on
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 4: April twenty fourth, you might have been in DC for
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 4: the TRCP thing when you sent this to US Department
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 4: of Agriculture's Natural Resources Conservation Service. I'm going to talk
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 4: more about that.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: Better known as the NRCS, and now it's.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 4: The availability availability of fifty two million dollars to increase
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 4: hunting and fishing access through the Voluntary Public Access and
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 4: Habitat Incentive Program. So that's great, money going going towards
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 4: like public access to private property. A lot of hopefully
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 4: a lot of farmers and ranchers will enroll in that
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 4: program and and get more people, you know, access to
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 4: good hunting grounds.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: Let me see the hip.
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  Speaker 5: Kids call it VPA hip.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: Yep, so they just like to say hip.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: This represents the largest single investment and VPA hip since
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 4: its creation in two thousand and eight, and the first
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 4: opportunity for new funding since twenty nineteen. Really yep, so
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 4: uh seventy percent low. Forty eight states are in private ownership.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 4: Sportsmen and women are relying on private lands for hunting
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 4: and outdoor recreation opportunities, and this helps address that by
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 4: opening up, hopefully opening up a significant number of acres
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 4: to hunting and fishing. So that's the good news. Unfortunately,
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 4: that same day I got some bad news. In twenty
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 4: twenty seven, the following cuts, conservation cuts will be made
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 4: to various agencies in the federal government. Three hundred million
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 4: from the.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: US These yeah, these are these are There's a lot
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: of haggling left to happen. These are proposed cuts. Yes, yeah,
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: this is like an initial offer right now.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 6: Fifty two mills either way.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 4: It's not great news.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: No, no, it's not going to end that. What I'm saying,
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of fighting. There's a lot of fighting
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: left to be done here.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 4: Three hundred million from the USGS Ecosystem Management Program. That's
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 4: the entire budget. All of the BLM's wilderness budget will
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 4: go to management budget. It'll be real allocated to land
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 4: use projects like energy production, primarily energy production. One hundred
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 4: and five million dollars will be cut from the National
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 4: Wildlife Refuge System, forty million from the North American Wetlands
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 4: Conservation Act, which is eighty percent of their budget, eleven
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 4: million for Migratory Bird Management Program. The entire US Fish
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 4: and Wildlife Services Science Application budget of thirty million dollars
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 4: will be cut. All US Fish and Wildlife Service funding
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 4: for state and tribal grants will be cut. BLM staff
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 4: will be cut by an additional twenty seven percent. It's
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 4: over two thousand full time positions. The USDA's Natural Resources
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 4: con Conservation Service, which we just talked about eliminating that
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 4: and eliminating the Forest Service entire Forest and Rangeland Research Division.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: A lot of fighting.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 4: I'm just saying, keep your eyes open.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: That's like someone going like, I'll give you a dollar
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: for your car, you know, but yeah, I mean it's
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: it's bad.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 4: And that's only part of the list. If you want
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 4: to check out the list in detail of these proposed cuts,
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 4: go to uh the Wildlife Society's web page, which is, well.
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: It'll it'll be bad, it'll it'll it'll be bad. I
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: don't know, it'll be bad. Yeah, but there's a there's
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: a lot.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 4: If it's for twenty seven, you know, let's hopefully get
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 4: through the next round of elections and then we'll see
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 4: what happens for twenty seven. I don't know.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we might return into just like pure gridlock where nothing.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 4: Happens, right, which is good, Yeah, is good.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 10: Just quiet now that the DOI was already like such
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 10: a tiny piece of the pie that you know, they're
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 10: gonna cut it so much where there's like no pie
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 10: left for them anymore.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 4: Oh, the interior being Yeah, when you see these budgets
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 4: getting cut from whatever it was to nothing like basically
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 4: eliminating at a.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 5: Party, just zeroing out.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you'll often bring in people to eliminate their
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: own program, you know.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 4: I mean the fact that we just were bragging about
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 4: how the conservation Service is going to create it's fifty
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 4: million bucks for more access, but then they want to
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 4: get rid of the conservation services, like.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, it's gonna be it's gonna be a messy process.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 5: Interior is less than one percent. It's almost half a
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 5: percentage of the twenty six budget.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 10: And they were taking some of those things and eliminating
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 10: them by one hundred percent.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's all I got.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: So the chimpanzee in a war.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 5: A little change of pace here, A little change of
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 5: pace here. And I apologize to people that have been
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 5: waiting for the segment because we're going to run it
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 5: last week, you know, and then other bad stuff happened.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: So the kind of thing, it just gets bumped. Yeah, well,
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: don't get it right now.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 5: Please don't put a lot of work into this. There's
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 5: a paper published earlier this month in the journal Science
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 5: that got a lot of popular attention in New York
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 5: Times and PRBBC picked us up. It's based on thirty
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 5: years of observation and it documents an eight year what
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 5: they described as a civil war among the largest community
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 5: of chimpanzees in the world. It's about two hundred individuals.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: And that's a big town.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 5: Yeah, And so they I mean, this is a group
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 5: of chimpanzees that that they sort of there were two
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 5: sort of factions within the larger community, and they they
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 5: groomed one another and made it with one another and
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 5: socializable one another. And then over the course of eight
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 5: years they split apart. They began to occupy different territories,
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 5: and they started raiding one another and killing first adults
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 5: but then infants from the other from the other groups.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 5: So this is the first time. According to the paper's abstract,
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 5: group conflict among non human animals is well known. However,
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 5: lethal conflict among groups of animals that were once socially
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 5: affiliated has not previously been observed outside of humans, in
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 5: whom cultural ideology can drive divisions among individuals within the
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 5: same group. These findings indicate that group identities can shift
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 5: and escalate into lethal hostility in one of our closest
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 5: living relatives in the absence of cultural markers often thought
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 5: necessary for warfare.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 4: Is Randall Kanniner. Is this like a bad blood thing
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 4: or is it like a competition for resources?
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 5: Based on genetic evidence, they believe that chimpanzee communities split
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 5: apart every five hundred years. It's a pretty rare thing.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 5: But basically what.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: Happened split apart every five years.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 5: Yes, they so, Like in twenty fifteen twenty fourteen, some
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 5: of the older chimps got sick and some of the
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 5: alpha males like they were in among the central group,
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 5: the outgoing and in gooing alpha male like the alpha
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 5: male got sick. Another guy took his place. But the
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 5: new guy that took his place had actually been born
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 5: into the other faction, and then he took over the
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 5: dominance hierarchy of the central group.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 5: So it all kicked off where a group of them
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 5: encountered They encountered each other in the forest instead of socializing.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 5: The researchers saw that the one group went silent and hid,
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 5: and the other ones looked for them and then chased them.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 5: And then over the two years after that, they kept
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 5: distancing geographically and socially, and then they just started killing
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 5: each other. They made the Western chimps made six lethal
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 5: attacks into Central territory, and then they started killing infants.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 5: In twenty twenty one, they killed seventeen infants and another
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 5: fourteen chimps from the Central faction have disappeared. Their bodies
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 5: are never found, and so essentially, like the takeaway is
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 5: that they they've tried to explain this by their hypothesis
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 5: is that there were certain key figures that kind of
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 5: bridged the communities. These older male chimps were kind of
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 5: intermediaries and they maintained relations. And when these older older
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 5: males got.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: Sick, like the statesman, the older statesman died, yeah.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 5: Exactly and prevailed.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 5: So basically what they're saying is like you can have
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 5: a big conflict spill out from individual interactions the report.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: You know, dudes like American dudes will show up and
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: fighting in Ukraine. I might try to get in on
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: this war. Yeah, yeah, what side? What I want to
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: be on?
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 5: Who's winning cent seems to be the aggressors.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to be on the wind inside of that,
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: because last thing I want is for them chimps to
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: get ahold of me.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 5: And then there's there's another ones. The other really interesting
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 5: thing is that in the nineteen seventies there is an
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 5: episode called the Gombey War, which Jane Goodall observed. But
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 5: there are doubts as to whether this is a natural
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 5: behavior because quote, these chimps were eating bananas given to
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 5: them by humans. God, So they're wondering if that was
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 5: like a jealousy resource. And the lead author of this
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 5: paper says, so, go.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: To a bunch of little kids and give one of
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: them banana.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah exactly. He says, this is the first time you
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 5: can definitively say that there is a rift in this
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 5: chimp community that's basically driven by the chimps themselves.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: So when you first told me some months ago that
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: you were a big eight guy, yeah, and I didn't
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: think you were, Remember I called you out on it. Yeah,
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: I think you've proven yourself. Okay, thank you.
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 10: What does a frontline conflict look like? Are they like
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 10: strangling each other? Are they clubbing each other?
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: You don't know about this, No, I don't. At that
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: photographer on the podcast that photographs chimps killing each other,
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: they put on.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 4: Hunts for other modes, they shirts, they ripped their genitals off.
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: Oh you don't want to get involved one of them? No.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 5: No, So that's what I got.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 6: That was brilliant.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 3: A lot of war out there.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 5: Thank you, thank you.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: It's great.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 5: Yeah, man, I had a lot of fun with that,
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 5: thank you.
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 10: Hippos are, of course native to sub Saharan Africa. There's
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 10: about one hundred and fifty thousand of them living on
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 10: the continent. But there are also about two hundred hippos
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 10: that call South America home and they are a huge
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 10: headache for wildlife biologists in Colombia. Now, before we get
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 10: to those problems, let me tell you how they got there.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 10: It's nineteen eighty one. Drug lord Pablo Escobar visits wildlife
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 10: breeding facilities in the United States in search of his
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 10: next exotic pets. His hacienda in northwest Colombia. It's already
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 10: housing elephants, giraffes, rhinos, ostriches, zebras, kangaroos, lions, tigers, panthers, lamas, antelope, dolphins,
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 10: and more. There's just one thing missing, Yeah, one thing.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 10: It's gonna take his personal zoo to the next level.
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 4: Hippos.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: If I were get arrested, I hope I look as
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: self satisfied as that a man on spring break.
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 10: So Pablo is in search of hippos. He goes to
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 10: America and that's what he finds. Pablo winds up bringing
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 10: home four hippos. Three of them are females, one is
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 10: a male. It's unclear what the source of the hippos is,
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 10: but historians believe they came from a private dealer in
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 10: either Dallas or California. That's roughly where they've been traced to.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 5: If I may, the gate to his zoo here bears
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 5: an uncanny resemblance to the architecture of Jurassic Park in
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 5: the fought.
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, going in the background, and he stole that airplane
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: idea from Uncle Ted inspiring striped airplane inspiring stuff.
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 10: Okay, that was nineteen eighty one. He finds his four hippos.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 10: Let's fast forward to nineteen ninety three. Pablo Escobar has
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 10: been on the lamp for sixteen months after escaping prison. Eventually,
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 10: in December of that year, he's gunned down by Colombian
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 10: special forces while attempting to flee across a rooftop. Pablo
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 10: takes bullets to the leg, torso, and head and is
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 10: pronounced dead at the scene. It's the day after his
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 10: forty fourth.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: And then those American DEA agents did gripping grins with them.
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 10: Yeah, I considered putting that in there. Those pictures are
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 10: all over the internet. There's like fourteen dudes standing with
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 10: his mutilated.
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: It's like guys in Arizona. When they get out, it's
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: exactly like that. On the roof. One of them gets
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: it where he was killed.
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 10: So in the aftermath of his death, the zoo is
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 10: closed and wildlife officials start to relocate his animals. Almost
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 10: everything finds a new home at a new facility, besides
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 10: four creatures his hippos. This is because during the rehoming process,
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 10: officials said the hippos were just simply too aggressive, too dangerous,
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 10: and too difficult to move, so they left them there.
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 4: Well.
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 10: At some point in the nineteen nineties, the hippos take
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 10: it upon themselves to find a new home, and they
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 10: break out of the zoo and escape to the nearby
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 10: mad Megdalena River, serving as the founding population for South
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 10: America's cocaine hippos.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: That's how that happens.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 5: How it happened.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 10: I tried to find more specific details on their escape,
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 10: like how did they get out of their enclosures, but
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 10: nothing exists. They just gout out on their own at
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 10: some point in the nineteen nineties. Now, by two thousand
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 10: and seven, those four hippos turned into sixteen. By twenty fourteen,
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 10: those sixteen turned into forty by twenty nineteen, those forty
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 10: turned into one hundred twenty and that brings us to today,
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 10: where it's estimated that there is a population of two hundred.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: They all have the they all have the same like great, great,
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: great great.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 10: They all came from those four founding male cocaine hippos.
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 10: Their growth is like Seth's baby. At this point, it
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 10: just cannot be stopped. Biollo just speculated at this rate
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 10: the hippos will exceed one thousand in the next decade.
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 6: Wow.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 10: Yeah, So what problems do they create? Well, for starters,
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 10: two hundred hippos, they take up a lot of space
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 10: and a lot of food. They're displacing native faunas such
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 10: as manatees otters came in in turtles. The hippos also
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 10: increasing the nutrient levels in the water, which might sound
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 10: like a good thing, but this burst of hippo fertilizers
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 10: actually creating enormous LGA blooms, which in turn trigger other
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 10: die offs. And then there's just the sheer mass of
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 10: the hippos is literally changing the waterways there. Their wallows
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 10: are now filling up with water and creating side channels
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 10: and ponds that otherwise did not exist. You know, they're
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 10: totally scar in the lands, real dangerous. Have they killed
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 10: anyone Columbia They There has been pretty minor conflict so far.
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 10: I could not find that they've had interactions with humans.
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 10: We'll get to some of that in a second here.
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 10: Some folks do argue that the hippos are actually doing
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 10: more good than harm. Locals have reported that illegal dynamite
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 10: fishing is at an all time low because poachers are
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 10: simply scaredos.
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 4: That's right, So there's some good.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 10: This story is also benefit of interest to proponents of
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 10: the Place to Scene Rewilding Project, which advocates for reintroducing
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 10: megafona to places where they're missing. In this case, the
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 10: African hippo is taking the place of toxidons, which are
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 10: a hippo like creature that when extinct about twelve thousand
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 10: years ago. We're looking at one of them here. But
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 10: for the most part, it's agreed upon that having these
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 10: hippos is not sustainable and something needs to be done.
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 10: In twenty twenty, they tried castrating the hippos, which was
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 10: a ton of work and costs about fifty thousand dollars
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 10: per hippo.
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 4: That was a short lived effort.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 10: That they did one singular hippo and this is not
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 10: fifty grand, not the answer, fifty grand to castrate one
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 10: hippo that they then let go.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 4: I'll a shot.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I like, how about you giving you fifty grand?
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: I just promise, promise.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 10: In twenty twenty one, they explored sterilizing the hippos with
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 10: the vaccine, but that got litigated to hell and it
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 10: quickly fell out of favor. In twenty twenty three, a
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 10: trap and transfer program was pitched that will place these
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 10: hippos and zoos across the world, but so far that
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 10: hasn't gone anywhere. And then earlier this month, Colombian officials
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 10: approved a euthanasia program that aims to eliminate eighty hippos
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 10: from the herd. It remains to be seen if and
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 10: win that plan will go into action. And then the
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 10: most recent development comes from twenty four hours ago, which
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 10: is when Indian billionaire an Umbani made a formal request
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 10: to the Colombian government to let him take some of
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 10: the hippos. This just happened yesterday. He's offering to foot
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 10: the three point five million dollar bill to have eighty
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 10: of them relocated to his wildlife preserve in India. It's
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 10: considered the world's biggest animal rehabilitation center. It's called Ventara.
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 10: It's already home to two hundred and fifty leopards, nine
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 10: hundred crocodiles, two hundred lions, one hundred and sixty tigers,
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 10: and fifty bears.
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 3: Oh mind, there is.
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 10: No word yet on if the Columbia is going to
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 10: agree to his AMBI.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: But you got to bring in some some serious heart
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: hitting wranglers.
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 10: I mean, that's why it's gonna costa Then you got
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 10: to get all the way across a damn Cody Farion
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 10: level kind of stuff.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 6: Man, fire the buyers, the son of the richest man
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 6: in Asia.
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, yeah.
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 10: So this this has been on the pod that's been
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 10: simmering in Colombia for like a decade, but now it
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 10: feels like it's boiling because they keep reproducing.
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 4: It's such an insane rate.
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: That's hell report.
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 6: That's a great breaking news hit too.
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 5: We saw a hippo skull at the Museum of the Rockies.
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 5: That was one of the I've seen, one of the
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 5: wildest things I've ever looked at.
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 1: So you know how, I'm like an expert on Africa. Yeah,
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: well here's what I heard. When they hunt those hippos, Uh,
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: you'll shoot them like you hang out or they're going
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: to pop up and they'll shoot them and the hippo sinks.
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: You just hang out and wait till it bloats and mmmm,
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: little surface is that ours hours?
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 10: Like?
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: Think about how a deer like if you don't if
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: you find a deer like an hour later, it's sort
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: of you know, you hang out for a couple hours
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: and he rises up to the surface with bloated gas.
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: Then you got to pick someone. And no one wants
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: this job swimming out there and getting a rope on it,
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 1: because crocodiles not a job anybody wants. It's getting a
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: rope on it and then you drag it up to
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: the beach.
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 10: It's how we've solved dynamite fishing in there.
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: So report, my god, man, there should be like an award.
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 4: Give my prize to Randall.
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: Oh no, you don't have to do that.
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 5: I don't have to do that.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 3: You're prematurely accepting the prize.
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 4: I appreciate.
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 3: Okay, sure, this.
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 6: Report is more like a little brief PSA. If anyone
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 6: has plans to visit the Great Smoky Mountains National Park,
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 6: please be bear wears the other weekend that there were
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 6: six separate black bear related incidents in various areas.
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: Of the park, which amazing six separate.
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 6: Yeah, well some of them was with the same bear,
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 6: but yees, six incidents, and so this park runs across incidents.
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, not like someone got scratched.
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 6: Well no, I mean something got bit Okay, yeah, so
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 6: so it there are a couple of different things that happened.
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 6: But yeah, so this if anyone doesn't know where Great
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 6: Smoking Mountains National Park is, it spans part of eastern
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 6: Tennessee into western North Carolina and as of now, it
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 6: seems that most of these areas have reopened. But they
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 6: were closed for a couple of days and then reopened
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 6: with no bear activity. But the following uh incidents were reported.
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 6: So two bears approached visitors and stole backpacks, and a
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 6: third bear displayed aggressive behavior and chased off a group
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 6: of visitors. Then there was a an aggressive bear involved
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 6: in three incidents at the same location, the same bear
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 6: and one uh one instance is that a bear, this
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 6: bear actually bit a visitor who had gone into an
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 6: area that was restricted and closed so that is kind
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 6: of I think, more action than we've seen recently. And
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 6: there are nineteen hundred, approximately nineteen hundred black bears in
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 6: that park, and this is the time where mama bears
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 6: are coming out of dens with their cubs, and there
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 6: are a lot of visitors.
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 3: I was I was reading Krinn.
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 4: Gatlinburg's like right next to the park, right there, Gatlinburg, Tennessee,
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 4: and they like they have a bad urban bear like
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 4: they think the park is like helping to create this
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 4: urban bear problem.
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 1: Tennessee is in the top five bear tech states. Yeah,
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: but when you look at it, it's like one of
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 1: those things where five is not You're getting down to
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 1: a very small number, meaning you look at like Alaska, Montana, Wyoming,
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: you know, you're up in the teens or whatever, and
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 1: then by the time you get down to number five,
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 1: you're down to like two or three. But it's still
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: number It's still within top five bear tech states.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 4: But it makes sense because you know, smoking mountain National
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 4: parks like surrounded by millions of people, so it's like
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 4: most visited national park. You know, that's gonna all those
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 4: bears are gonna spill over.
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 6: You know, I tried to find out if any of
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 6: those bears had been euthanized, and I didn't find information
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 6: that they had been captured or euthanized, but on the
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 6: NPS website it stated that if they're dangerous, they will
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 6: euthanize black bears.
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: We're going to close out with a story from Gaba.
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 1: I say Gabone. I think it's Gabone, Gabone, which Brody
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 1: says has phenomenal fishing.
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I want to go. I wanted to go.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: I want to go there. I want to go there
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: because it's like it's like jungle.
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 9: You know.
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 4: But they got nice beaches there too.
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 1: Uh So a hunter from California was killed there. It's
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 1: important to point out here the hunter that was killed
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 1: there and an American, you know, a guy for California
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: was there in a big game hunting dikers, yellow backed dikers, okay,
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: but he was killed by elephants. The party, his hunting party,
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: they ran across a group of five elephants. They were
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: trampled and he got gored by a female elephant. So it's,
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 1: you know, a tragic thing. It happens. I remember, like
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: last year, the year we were in Africa filming. I
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 1: remember two Americans got killed by Kate Buffalo that year.
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 1: I guess it's still the same year now or is
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 1: it a different year now? It's a different year now. Yeah,
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 1: an American killed by an elephant hunting there. But the
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 1: coverage on its is very predictable. Ricky Gervais like big
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: p to guy. He's glad, like he says, the best
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 1: thing is they'll never forget it. But it's like he
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 1: wasn't even he was hunting elephants. He was hunting dikers.
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: But it's like celebrated. What's also funny, it's like people
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 1: had this happens every time something happens in Africa is
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 1: the amount of money the individual is worth becomes a
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 1: big part of the story. So it's like he was killed,
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: but a millionaire was killed in Africa, so people are like,
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 1: thank god, Yeah, it's that God. It wasn't a guy
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 1: with less money.
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 4: You don't see a headline like blue collar hunter escap's
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 4: elephant in Africa.
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 1: No, it's it's just it's like weird. They always that's
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: like always a point. It's always a point because you're
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 1: like millionaire US big game hunter trampled to death by elephants. Well,
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 1: hunting in Central Africa, especially.
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 4: If it's British coverage.
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 1: They really like to Yeah, they're the ones that named
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 1: Brian Harmon Brian the Butcher because he likes to hunt
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 1: deer with the golfer dude hunting all over the place.
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: But yeah, man always gets covered that way. The only
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 1: thing that you can do if the only thing worse
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 1: if you are a if you if something happens to
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: you in Africa and you're a rich white guy, the
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 1: only thing worse than being a rich white guy would
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 1: be an attractive young woman. That especially infuriates people. I
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: remember that young woman killed that lion, and they're like, oh,
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 1: I was hoping to be a rich white guy. It's
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: an attractive young woman. The outrage, outrage, It's like they
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: get more mad. What's this fellow's name, Ernie Dosio? Ernie Dosio,
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Big game Unter killed in Africa by
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 1: an elephant.
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 6: Seventy five years old, his family outliving him.
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 8: It's sad.
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well we should end on a happier note. What's
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 1: something we could do that was like a happier note would.
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 9: Yeah?
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's white with death, there's life, you know, How's
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 5: Kelsey doing on your first day back?
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, let's end happy.
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 3: Oh she said, he's he won't go down for a
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 3: nap and he's pretty grasp today.
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: So well, I said, end on a habit.
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 3: He's cute as hell.
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 1: He's cute. That's it. Lates gentle assessed new baby's cute
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 1: looking everything of a new show