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#580 - Ghostface Killah Breaks Down New Album, $2M Wu-Tang Record, Diddy Blocking Wu & The Final Chamber · The Bootleg Kev Podcast

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  Speaker 1: the interview, all right, man, Bootlegkeevs Show, Blue Leg Cap Podcast.
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  Speaker 1: We're here with one of the greatest of all time,
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  Speaker 1: one of the most influential artists to ever step on
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  Speaker 1: this planet. Yeah he's dropping his phone. I thought I'd
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  Speaker 1: dropped my phone. Yeah, yeah, here we go, Ladies and gentlemen,
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  Speaker 1: ghost face killers in the building.
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  Speaker 2: Yo yo yo yo, yeah, yo yo. Yo yo, yo,
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  Speaker 2: yo yo.
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  Speaker 1: But a supreme clientele too.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, yes, listen, it's good.
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  Speaker 1: I want to like before we get into the new
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  Speaker 1: supreme clientele. I always hear you talking in interviews that
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  Speaker 1: you were not crazy about iron Man. You were like
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  Speaker 1: a little under the gun when it came to iron Man.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, exactly.
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  Speaker 1: And I specifically remember hitting Sam Goodie as a kid
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  Speaker 1: to buy a supreme clientele, and it felt like at
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  Speaker 1: that time it kind of was like a burst of
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  Speaker 1: energy into the Woo universe, if you will. What was
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  Speaker 1: that approach like going into the og supreme clientele and
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  Speaker 1: how different was it obviously being under the gun to
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  Speaker 1: get iron Man turned in? Like it felt like that.
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  Speaker 2: I mean it was it was. I wasn't rushed. I
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  Speaker 2: wasn't rushed, you know what I mean. I was like
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  Speaker 2: and a bet it was a it was a better feeling,
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  Speaker 2: like I was in a better place at that time,
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  Speaker 2: you know what I mean. It's frame of mind is
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  Speaker 2: you know, uh, it was the days was you know
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  Speaker 2: what I mean? It was like you know, you got
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  Speaker 2: the you got really the right beats that you that
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  Speaker 2: you felt that you wanted, you know what I mean?
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  Speaker 2: And that was a difference. I wasn't on the timeline.
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  Speaker 2: I wasn't on the timeline like people understand when I
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  Speaker 2: did the first joint, I ain't joint, you know what
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  Speaker 2: I mean. It was like it was like I had,
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  Speaker 2: like I think, like sixty days to do that or
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  Speaker 2: whatever the case may be, because because you know, Raise
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  Speaker 2: the shop had to like had deadline with Sony or whatever.
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  Speaker 3: You know what I mean, I could have waited.
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  Speaker 2: I mean how they presented it to me, it was like, yo,
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  Speaker 2: you know you up next show, you want to you
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  Speaker 2: know whatever. Whatever.
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  Speaker 3: It was like, yeah, but you know I didn't have time.
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  Speaker 2: I like, I'm a slow writer, so I like to
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  Speaker 2: just take my time and you know, ink it the
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  Speaker 2: way I needed to get the right beat. Rizzards just
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  Speaker 2: sent and felt he just sent me like mad beats,
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  Speaker 2: like you know what I mean. I mean, we picked
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  Speaker 2: him out together, but I didn't. I don't even think
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  Speaker 2: I use anybody else's beats up there, like you know
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  Speaker 2: what I mean, probably true master in Mathematics or something
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  Speaker 2: like that, whatever, But that was really it.
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  Speaker 1: Some of the craziest beats of all time are on
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  Speaker 1: the first Supreme Clientele. I think, like one is like one.
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  Speaker 2: Right usually yeah, yeah, my goodness, it's crazy crazy ship.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Do you remember, like, uh, like what which which beat?
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  Speaker 1: Because I feel like those studio sessions had to be
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  Speaker 1: special which which like when when when when one of
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  Speaker 1: them beats came on? Do you remember like which record?
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  Speaker 1: Like the producer played the beat for you or they
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  Speaker 1: were making it and you were just like, yo, this
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  Speaker 1: is fucking I.
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  Speaker 2: Mean, it wasn't making them like that at that time.
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  Speaker 2: They would just like put it on I.
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  Speaker 1: Think of CD, like a demo CD or.
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  Speaker 3: Something like that. Yeah, yep, exactly.
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  Speaker 2: So because you know, I have to take mad CDs
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  Speaker 2: because anybody's giving me beats, mad mad mad mad. So
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  Speaker 2: when I heard one, that's one, that's one, you know
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  Speaker 2: what I mean, bad, You know what I mean. My
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  Speaker 2: cousin made nut May. It was just a loop. He
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  Speaker 2: sent me mad of him. So it was but it
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  Speaker 2: was a loop that I could that I could funk with,
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  Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So kept that one, you
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  Speaker 2: know what I mean, Phantom, But the beasts made mighty healthy,
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  Speaker 2: you know what I mean? No matter off he didn't
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  Speaker 2: make he made he made Apollo.
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  Speaker 1: Kids, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 2: So you know, I just I just was making beats
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  Speaker 2: that that I felt that that could fit for a
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  Speaker 2: supreme clientele.
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  Speaker 1: And and that's how you got it. Chara's Ghost was
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  Speaker 1: like a pretty like big commercial record, like a big
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  Speaker 1: It was like a radio record like MTV was on
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  Speaker 1: MTV all the time, and ship like right.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah that Regki came the producer that was working in
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  Speaker 2: thirty six Chambers, My man Carlos right he was. He
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  Speaker 2: made he Collos best shot to Calos best. He the
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  Speaker 2: one that made a that that record right there and
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  Speaker 2: him and his wife so but he they but they
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  Speaker 2: didn't make it for me. They didn't make it for me.
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  Speaker 2: They had like a demo. They had like a seven
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  Speaker 2: demo tape like of just all records, like everything was fat,
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  Speaker 2: and I had to decide, like which one I'm gonna
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  Speaker 2: pick after all, you know, cause I could have picked
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  Speaker 2: other ones. That was crazy. So you know, I might
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  Speaker 2: have asked a few people, yo I feel about you
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  Speaker 2: know the other days, like yo, A lot of them
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  Speaker 2: said that one, you know what I mean? And that's
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  Speaker 2: what I went.
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  Speaker 1: Talk to me because uh, I got to listen to
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  Speaker 1: the new album. I was lucky to get a link
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  Speaker 1: to check it out. Okay, cool? What is why supreme
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  Speaker 1: clientele to now? Like what what what is it about?
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  Speaker 1: Like like twenty twenty five that it was time to
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  Speaker 1: kind of like you know, I mean, oh nine we
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  Speaker 1: got only built for Cuban Links two, which was.
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  Speaker 2: Great, right, I mean we could have uh I could
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  Speaker 2: have been had did it, but I would just you know,
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  Speaker 2: it wasn't time. If it was the time, you know
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  Speaker 2: how God worked, he just he just put it on
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  Speaker 2: you like that. But it was like in between that time,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I'm doing other projects for other people and
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  Speaker 2: you know what I mean, stuff like that or whatever
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  Speaker 2: case may be. And then by the time where you
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  Speaker 2: noticed like yo, you got a uh you a couple.
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  Speaker 3: Of years away from it, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 2: Then I guess that might just be the time from
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  Speaker 2: just where you're dropping, you know, from twenty fifth anniversary.
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  Speaker 3: And yo, I.
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  Speaker 2: Tried to make it for for that time for like
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  Speaker 2: because I came out of February. But you know, for
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  Speaker 2: whatever reason, it wasn't wasn't there.
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  Speaker 1: It's like nas hit you like, hey, We're about to
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  Speaker 1: do some great ships.
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  Speaker 2: No not. It was like I've been looking for a
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  Speaker 2: home for it, like you know what I mean the game,
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  Speaker 2: I just was holding a lot of a lot of songs.
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  Speaker 3: I was looking.
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  Speaker 2: I was looking. I was looking for like another home,
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  Speaker 2: another home, like a home for it. And Peter, Peter
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  Speaker 2: is the guy. He just kept He just really just
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  Speaker 2: kept at my door, like yo, yo yo, supreme kind
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  Speaker 2: We met up like like three times or whatever whatever whatever.
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  Speaker 2: Then he came with the last time. It was like, yo,
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  Speaker 2: you know what, this is what it is? That's that
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  Speaker 2: that that dad? I got this, I got that, and
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  Speaker 2: I just I accepted it.
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  Speaker 1: Can you give me the inspiration? One of your best
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  Speaker 1: verses ever is on Mutang Forever, on Impossible. This is
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  Speaker 1: iconic verse. It's made grown man cry. It gives people
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  Speaker 1: like I remember when I first heard it as a kid,
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  Speaker 1: I was like I had like I was like, suck.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like, what was the inspiration
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  Speaker 1: behind that verse? Was that a true story?
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  Speaker 2: Some of it? And it is true? When the ambulance,
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  Speaker 2: you know what I mean, when when Jamie, you know
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  Speaker 2: we call her Jamie, that was like, uh that was
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  Speaker 2: my uh my baby's mother's brother. He had got murdered
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  Speaker 2: on on July fourth, you know, and you know that's
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  Speaker 2: where I got. I put some of that in there
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  Speaker 2: like that, and she came downstairs like this.
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  Speaker 3: And you know how the mother's beat.
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  Speaker 2: You know, they got they little, you know, still their
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  Speaker 2: gowns and you know what I mean, and came down there.
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  Speaker 3: You know it was it was an uproar.
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  Speaker 2: But you know I liked I so I go from
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  Speaker 2: there and I just get and I just paint this
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  Speaker 2: picture and shit like that. Because really a lot of
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  Speaker 2: the times the beat, it be the beat that takes
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  Speaker 2: you there, you know what I mean. If it was
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  Speaker 2: another beat, it wouldn't have been that, you know what
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it would have been something else. So but
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  Speaker 2: the beat is so like theatrical and dramatic to me,
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  Speaker 2: Like how how was how I caught it?
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  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 2: So I'm like, yo, you know what, let me jotting
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  Speaker 2: this down, came back to it like maybe like a
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  Speaker 2: day or two later, did that whatever whatever, and finished
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  Speaker 2: it up. And then that's how you got impossible.
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  Speaker 1: Is everybody in the studio with you when you lay
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  Speaker 1: that down?
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  Speaker 2: Like who's there was people in there?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: I don't I can't remember who was in there though.
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  Speaker 2: But look like it's like a moment it was. It
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  Speaker 2: was it was people in there and like a movie
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  Speaker 2: like that trying to say like short, yeah exactly, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: yeah exactly. So that's how I like the right. I
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  Speaker 2: like the right, like like movies and and things like
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  Speaker 2: that that just that just go like, I'm more better,
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  Speaker 2: I guess at that than just doing like a lot
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  Speaker 2: of because I like to pay pictures and shit because
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  Speaker 2: I'm like a deep thinker.
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  Speaker 3: And ship.
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  Speaker 1: You have a record, the fourth Disciple record on the
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  Speaker 1: Shoe album that's very in that same vein.
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  Speaker 2: Yep yep, yep, yep, yep, because you know that yeah,
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  Speaker 2: hell he is, so you know, it was like that
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  Speaker 2: the beat was, like I said again, it.
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  Speaker 1: Was the beat that that.
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  Speaker 2: That grabbed me and snatched me, that made me just
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  Speaker 2: get and just try to catch those kind of bars
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  Speaker 2: and ship and yeah, it was just And that's an
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  Speaker 2: old record too. That record is probably like a good
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  Speaker 2: maybe like sixteen seventeen years that I had that.
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  Speaker 1: Beat somehow, you like, because you're like one of the
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  Speaker 1: most artists of all time and yet you like, I
• 9:02
  Speaker 1: feel like you've tackled so many like everyday issues that
• 9:04
  Speaker 1: like people go through, like you're gonna cheating on you. You
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  Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like I remember back like that
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  Speaker 1: came out and I was like, right at the time,
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  Speaker 1: I was like fourteen in this little eighth grade bitch
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  Speaker 1: cheated on me dog and that shit like that shit
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  Speaker 1: hit me.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. It is like, yo, well
• 9:22
  Speaker 2: you told her you played it.
• 9:23
  Speaker 1: For no no, no, no no. By the way, great
• 9:26
  Speaker 1: album Bulletproof Falls is great, but but for you, like
• 9:29
  Speaker 1: when you approach for example, like the last song on
• 9:32
  Speaker 1: the album is You a metha Man? Yeah, and it's
• 9:36
  Speaker 1: talking about having a real friend, right yeah, But that
• 9:39
  Speaker 1: to me, that's like such a like it's it's almost
• 9:42
  Speaker 1: like it's something we all go through, something we all have.
• 9:44
  Speaker 1: We all have like homies that like we have that
• 9:46
  Speaker 1: are like that. But it's like people ain't making those
• 9:48
  Speaker 1: type of records anymore that like we can live to,
• 9:50
  Speaker 1: that we can relate to.
• 9:51
  Speaker 2: You know what, right yeah yeah, yeah, you know the
• 9:53
  Speaker 2: world the game is like I mean, it's it's it's
• 9:57
  Speaker 2: it's like it's really like being cheated. Man. It's like
• 10:00
  Speaker 2: because you know it's just this is internet ship came in.
• 10:03
  Speaker 2: It's like it just goes. It's just somewhere else. They
• 10:06
  Speaker 2: just the kids just taking somewhere else with it. Like,
• 10:08
  Speaker 2: don't get me wrong, I love it. I love what
• 10:10
  Speaker 2: the kids doing this, But I wish the kids a
• 10:12
  Speaker 2: lot of the times with with with you know, like
• 10:14
  Speaker 2: you know what, all just a chick with you know
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  Speaker 2: you money, drugs, jury, girls.
• 10:20
  Speaker 3: That's all they they that's all it's about now.
• 10:23
  Speaker 2: But when you take a record like Cream, I grew
• 10:25
  Speaker 2: up on a crime side New York Times side, you
• 10:28
  Speaker 2: know what I mean, it's like, yo, nigga, you're putting
• 10:30
  Speaker 2: that painting so so I don't you know, it's it's
• 10:34
  Speaker 2: it's it's it's what we at today mentally, you know
• 10:37
  Speaker 2: what I mean. But me, you know, I'm an old
• 10:39
  Speaker 2: school cat, you know what I mean. So I respect
• 10:42
  Speaker 2: the little nigga stuff.
• 10:44
  Speaker 1: Any any any of the young guys you with, like
• 10:46
  Speaker 1: the real young dudes you unders said. I know you
• 10:48
  Speaker 1: like Drake and Kendrick and all that, but like any
• 10:50
  Speaker 1: of the younger, younger guys.
• 10:52
  Speaker 2: I mean, I like him for for for It could
• 10:55
  Speaker 2: be the vocals, you know what I mean, and how
• 10:58
  Speaker 2: they like you know what I mean, Like it depends
• 11:00
  Speaker 2: on what time it is, Like I must you know,
• 11:04
  Speaker 2: I like, I like Kodak Black and those guys like
• 11:07
  Speaker 2: that or whatever the case may being. You know, probably
• 11:09
  Speaker 2: a few other ones, you know what I mean. Then
• 11:11
  Speaker 2: anybody's not on my radar. But you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 1: You got my old young friend on their Gorilla NMS.
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  Speaker 1: He's on the album oh them.
• 11:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah yeah, yea yeah, I love nams yeah yeah yeah,
• 11:21
  Speaker 2: yeah yeah yeah. So I'm just saying though, as far
• 11:23
  Speaker 2: as the kids that's out right now, you know what
• 11:25
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's just different, it's different. They they probably
• 11:27
  Speaker 2: won't make a song like how me and MeV did, right,
• 11:30
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean. But it was just like
• 11:32
  Speaker 2: when I got that beat, that'd beat. That's an old
• 11:33
  Speaker 2: record too. Wow, that record is like like probably like good,
• 11:36
  Speaker 2: like how long is that wives?
• 11:40
  Speaker 3: Sixteen seventeen?
• 11:41
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Yeah? Oh yeah, those was
• 11:43
  Speaker 2: like metaphysics in them. Those is like twenty three year
• 11:46
  Speaker 2: old versus like you know what I mean. And that
• 11:49
  Speaker 2: so you know, I tried to when I was doing
• 11:50
  Speaker 2: his album. I was like, yo, you know what you know,
• 11:53
  Speaker 2: you mix them together, try to mix them together, try
• 11:55
  Speaker 2: to do some shit that's today and back then and whatever.
• 11:58
  Speaker 2: I felt that was right there can get and catch
• 12:00
  Speaker 2: a vibe to real quick. And that was it, like
• 12:04
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean, it's all it's all a
• 12:05
  Speaker 2: vibe for me, Like you know what I mean.
• 12:07
  Speaker 1: So you're coming up obviously rizzaizz a ODB or family family, yes, yes,
• 12:15
  Speaker 1: late like blood Yeah, you're in laws of Rizza. Yeah
• 12:19
  Speaker 1: right yeah. At the time, like when you're coming up
• 12:22
  Speaker 1: in the eighties, from what I understand, you were like
• 12:25
  Speaker 1: kind of in a stick up crew a bit in Stapleton.
• 12:27
  Speaker 1: Is that is that a fair.
• 12:28
  Speaker 3: Point bringing around you know, we was doing a bunch
• 12:30
  Speaker 3: of stuff.
• 12:31
  Speaker 1: At what point in time was it like Okay, I'm
• 12:35
  Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna go ten toes in on this rap ship.
• 12:38
  Speaker 1: Because it's because.
• 12:39
  Speaker 2: When we did around the time, when we did maybe
• 12:45
  Speaker 2: iron Man between yeah, like around like iron Man.
• 12:48
  Speaker 1: All the way up into Iron Man, you were still
• 12:49
  Speaker 1: kind we were still dabbing.
• 12:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Then Rizza was finding out. He was like, yo,
• 12:53
  Speaker 2: you can't do both, Like what you're gonna do.
• 12:57
  Speaker 1: Already out huge?
• 12:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, thirty six Chamber was up or you're still.
• 13:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah because you you you you.
• 13:04
  Speaker 2: You taking that money and going to get these little
• 13:07
  Speaker 2: fucking bricks over here.
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  Speaker 3: You know what I mean, just stay And.
• 13:10
  Speaker 2: The third and was like, yo, yo, you're still doing
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  Speaker 2: that ship man this and that and you know.
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  Speaker 1: What I mean.
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  Speaker 3: So I had to make a decision, you know what
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  Speaker 3: I mean.
• 13:17
  Speaker 2: And it was like, Yo, you know you gotta just
• 13:18
  Speaker 2: leave it alone, bro, because you fucking with a risky
• 13:21
  Speaker 2: game and they could get you jammed up and then
• 13:24
  Speaker 2: what you're gonna come home around right now and you
• 13:26
  Speaker 2: beat you washed? Like you know what I mean, Like
• 13:28
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean, you might forget everything and
• 13:31
  Speaker 2: not even that of rhyme, you know what I mean.
• 13:32
  Speaker 1: It was like back then there was like hip hop
• 13:34
  Speaker 1: police and was going down.
• 13:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly exactly, so they was watching us regardless, you
• 13:38
  Speaker 2: know I mean. So you know, and when he told me, like, yo,
• 13:41
  Speaker 2: leave it alone, and he was like, yo, is exact words.
• 13:44
  Speaker 2: You really can't mix pork with beef, you know what
• 13:46
  Speaker 2: I mean. So I was like, yo, you know what,
• 13:49
  Speaker 2: You're right, it's gonna be one or the other. And
• 13:50
  Speaker 2: I chose just leave it alone.
• 13:54
  Speaker 1: Uh. There was the Wu Tang financial skit on The
• 13:58
  Speaker 1: Chappelle Show. Yeah you have Dave Chappelle doing a skit
• 14:01
  Speaker 1: on this album.
• 14:02
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Chappelle yeah, yeah, so ski yeah, yeah, yeah, ll.
• 14:07
  Speaker 1: Take me back to like when Chappelle does that skit.
• 14:10
  Speaker 1: It was hilarious and it's like the iconic.
• 14:13
  Speaker 2: But you know we needed the skit on it with
• 14:17
  Speaker 2: Oh with You because I wasn't up there.
• 14:20
  Speaker 1: Well no, I know what I'm saying, like like that
• 14:22
  Speaker 1: ship is like it's forever.
• 14:24
  Speaker 2: Like yeah, yeah, yeah, it is, it is, it is.
• 14:27
  Speaker 2: It is. People love that ship.
• 14:30
  Speaker 1: And then for now you know he's on the album
• 14:32
  Speaker 1: and he's on the album.
• 14:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because you know, Dave a big Wolf fan. Yeah,
• 14:35
  Speaker 2: we just we just did something I forgot was the
• 14:38
  Speaker 2: other somewhere with one of our last couple of shows.
• 14:40
  Speaker 2: He showed up and you know, came on stage and
• 14:44
  Speaker 2: ship fucked up, you know what I mean.
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: But he's always having a good time.
• 14:48
  Speaker 2: He always have got the drink he goes, he must
• 14:51
  Speaker 2: do that. He's just he's a.
• 14:53
  Speaker 3: Good time guy, you know what I mean.
• 14:55
  Speaker 2: And yeah, so you know he he that skit right
• 14:59
  Speaker 2: there was like you know, that was all over the
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: world though, Like you know what I mean, I was like,
• 15:03
  Speaker 2: oh shit, nigga, Dave Sappelle, you know what I mean.
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: But to be around him and they tell him like, yo,
• 15:08
  Speaker 2: you know what, because he got his own little place
• 15:10
  Speaker 2: out there and I'm in Ohio.
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and was like that, yeah, Yellow Springs exactly.
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: So we went out there, did a couple of songs
• 15:16
  Speaker 2: from him to the show for him or whatever the
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: case may be. You know, Dave, he feeling good like
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: you just said, and you're having a good time. And shit,
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: had us out there at fucking like three o'clock, at
• 15:25
  Speaker 2: four o'clock in the morning, and shit, you know, he
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: ain't delivered the skit that day though, you know what
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: I mean. We went out there for that, like yo,
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: he for y'all, I'm fucked up again. Get this ya, yell,
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: I do this, I do that, you know what I mean.
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: So it was like all right, man, but he saying
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: he sent it through and we put it together.
• 15:44
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  Speaker 1: get back to the interview. You you being on the
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: Kendrick album a few years ago. I heard you say
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: you cut two different verses for that as like you
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: gave him two options, Like hey, yeah cut, yeah, I
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: got just one or ever you want to take?
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah yeah.
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: Because the record was so dope, I didn't really know
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: which way to go with him. So I'm like, yo,
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: you know what I'm.
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: Gonna give you.
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: Take that one, yeah yeah, and take this one.
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: He's like, oh shit, you sent me too, Yeah, because
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: I don't I didn't really know which way to which
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: way to go. You know what I mean, like, you
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: know what you you know what you what you want?
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: So would you ever use that other verse? He didn't
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: use on anything.
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: Because he had he had, he had, he had used
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: he had with his verse around. So it's like, so
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: I'm I like the original verse, you know what I mean? So, uh,
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: you know it's still there, It's still there. I was
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: thinking that maybe he might want to funk around and
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: maybe use it for something or if not, it's whatever though,
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean. But I would definitely check
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: in with him to be like, yo, bro, cannot you
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: know what you doing with that?
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Right for sure? Like hey, hell.
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, even his verse you you made me start thinking
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: about something because he's his other ship was fired, you know.
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: What I mean? Like, Yo, why do you use ther.
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: J yo word? Like Yo, that other ship? You know
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: what I mean?
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: But that ship was crazy too. ODB man, I want
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: to talk about ODB for a sec because I feel like,
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: you know, when it comes to charisma, when it comes
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: to delivery, is one of one still to this day? Yeah,
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: what what in ninety eight when he crashes the Grammy stage?
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: What's going through your head when you see that it
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: was him.
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: It was him. It was like, yo, that's dirt Like
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: it wasn't.
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: It wasn't even it wasn't even like like I just
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: know what he do. So when it happened, it was
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: like I was like, oh, ship, but I wasn't. I
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: wasn't really totally just blown away because he do ship
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: like that, Like he don't. He's one of the motherfuckers
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: that just did anything off the top of the head.
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: But it was and it don't be playing this be
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: like it be him like this way he he do
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: he do just he just do ship, you know what
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: I mean. So when he did it, it was like, yo,
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: you see hell what he said, like, yo, I paid
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: too much for the suit, ya not to get the
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: ship and y'all gonna give it puffy good, he said,
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: puffy good. But who takes for the children? Like you
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: know what I mean?
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: So he don't that same.
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: He ain't really give a fuck about nothing like he
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: believed in what he believed in, you know what I mean?
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: And Dirt was was was was Dirk, Like I just
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: would tell somebody like, yo, man, I never seen another
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: soul again like him. Yeah, one like him. It's God
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: made him different. Like his spirit. You know what I mean.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: He do ship that you would want to do, but
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: don't do it, you know what I mean. He's one
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: of those guys like damn, like you know what I mean.
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: And whatever you was thinking, like you could you could
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: funk around and he could have dropped his food right
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: there on the floor and outside he gonna.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: Pick it up, dust it and eat it. That's fun, you.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: Know what I mean.
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: Like, that's that's him.
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: Like you know what I mean, I don't go to
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: dog God, make dirt, dirt, don't hurt, but brust brush
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: that ship off and eat that ship, right, you.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: Know what I mean? Yeah, of course, of course you
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: know what I mean.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: You seen what he did with the MTV shit when
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: he had the welfare was in the ship with the
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: wealth that was no I want more money. They're only
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: forty acres of the menu anyway, you know what I mean.
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: So it's like that's him. Whatever you see, that's him.
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: When method Man and do the torture skit on thirty
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: six Chambers, right, do you like when you first hear it?
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: Are you in the student because that ship is diabout hilarious.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: I don't remember if I was in the studio.
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: But when you first hear it, like, what are you
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: so much the fun were y'all doing in there?
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah ship. Yeah. That shit was
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: like yo, man, it was crazy, like because I remember
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: us being in there in in fire House Studios putting
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: this album together and just time. You got like fifty
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: people in the studio at one time, and yeah, and
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: they just matter of fact, I think I was there
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: and they're just going at it. Yeah, they just was
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: going at it. That met Verse ship, right yep, oh
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: yeah yeah yeah, yeah I was there.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: I was there.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: I was there. Yeah.
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: It was dead meth Vers.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: Your asshole closed and keep feeding.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I forgot about that record man and feeding you.
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: It was just we need to do that ship.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: Hilarious.
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: That was on Metho mans hold on.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: I was going into method man right exactly, about to.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: Say yeah yeah yeah yeah, but yeah man, they they
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: it's you know what man, those was like prime time days,
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: like you just in it.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: Now it's like, Okay, you sat here for thirty years,
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: you're doing what you're doing ai ai ai. But when
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: you in the beginning, when you first starting to get
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: your feet wet, it's just it was just it was
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: just and we young too different still blocking it up
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: and being on here, staying on these corners and doing
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: that and doing that, and the way hip hop was
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: at that time. It was a spirit in the air
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: for sure. You know how ninety three was. I don't
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: know how it was.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: I old.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: He was a ninety three. I was six, all right, cool,
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: So you know, you couldn't even imagine, you know what
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: I mean, like just a spirit. It was like, no, listen,
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: you floating on a spirit out there in ninety three,
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: like all great music and you know what I mean,
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: Biggie you got, Biggie nine, Mob Deep Snoop Dre you got.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: It was just like it was a rapist mob deep.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: It was a rapist fucking circle of music, right that
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: at that time. And ship and you know you got
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: the fatigues coming in you got you know what I mean, Uh,
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: just a bunch of other ship that was just like
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: yo oh ship yo.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: And we had we had the tunnel of course. You
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: had that.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: Man, how dangerous was like that er place?
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: It was dangerous.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: You can't cook come in, man, it's dangerous. You better
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: came in there with some people. But you know it
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: was it was the tunnel? Was the tunnel man? I
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: think it helped maybe like three or four thousand, maybe
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: more than that, you know what I mean. But that's
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: where you got robbed. You know, you had to be
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: strong in there. You have really had used to have
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: a click unless you by yourself and I don't know you,
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: and you could just you just in there mingling with
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: you and your couple of friends. Other than that, we
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: was going in there wrecking everything in the tunnel.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: Yo. So I had heard that only belt was supposed
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: to initially be who Gambinos, but there was like Steve
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: Rifkiss said that somebody had reached out to him like
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: some sort of back channel that the actual Gambino fit
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: family wanted like some bread or some ship to use that.
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: I think there was probably some truth to that or whatever.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: It was. It was it was Wu Gambinos. But if
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: I can remember that, do sound like a little bit familiar.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: We went straight to Cuban link or whatever. But but
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: it was something to deal with wogang Binos, with the Gambinos.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: With that name that because back then you guys are
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: coming up in the mafia is running like that.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: State alland was more a mafia state. Allen was like,
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: we're all at you know what I mean, Costallano Wen
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: and and and what's the thing that snitched on Gotti
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: and all that ship? Yeah all that you know what
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: I mean, So that all that ship was on that
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: was on was on Staten Island, man, you know what
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: I mean. So yeah, so we was in the and
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: then make some ningas was sucking their daughters and ship,
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: So you definitely of course, you mean, like you know,
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: like if you're gonna take a mafia guy's daughter out
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: to day.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: I mean, but the Italians they love to like I mean,
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: you know, like yeah, so it was like yo, but
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: then again probably was carefully like you said, you gotta
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: care you know me?
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you don't at that time. I'm at that time.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, you know I was due. I would
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: think I was on the Yeah. I think you're right,
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: yeah exactly.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: If I'm a chick from who's connected to the cartel,
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: you gotta be nice.
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: Nice, Yeah that's right.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: Are you right?
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: You got to make her feel good about the breakup?
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely definitely, like yo, you know what, my bad, It's.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: All good listen. Yeah, you know I'm bad timing for me,
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: you know. But hey, uh one of the you know,
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: probably a top two or three song for me all
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: time is Triumph, which is a song that I feel
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: like everybody just delivered their A game on. It's one
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: of the greatest hip hop music videos of all time.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: What was that approach like when y'all did Tryumph, because
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: that's the first single off Utang Forever.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: That was Yeah, it was like and I had to
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: do that. I had to go and I had to
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: I had to, like it gave me problems. I had
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: to go in there and that like I had I
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: don't know how many minutes I had to just throw
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: whatever in the air like that.
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: But it was like, yeah, that beat was just crazy.
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: Rizal had came in one day.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: He was in the he's out here in American Studios
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: on Lincolnshire, you know what I mean. I think that's
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: next to fucking what's the ship?
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: What's that ship?
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: I got this Universal Studios thinking somewhere around there and shit.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: But yeah, that shit was hidden and you know, I
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: got in I think one of the last ones, like
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: probably was the last one. And yeah, that's like everybody was,
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: especially Deck Deck Set it it off like yo, so
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: fucking crazy like and he's you know, as far as
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: the Klan, he's like one of the best. He might
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: be the best set off guy, you know what I
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: mean ever in the Klan, Like you know what I mean.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: At that time, his mind was just like he was
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: a really inspected for real real you know what I mean.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: But yeah, but that song there, if you heard how
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: it was hitting in that day in the studio, it
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: sounded like how it sound now.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: I think that was the first like million dollar budget
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: music video.
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, Brett Ratner that.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: It was a damn Brad rat that's Rush Hour too, right, yeah.
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: Brad Ratner, yup, he was dead.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: Yup Dirt. We tried to get dirt and there dirt.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: Dirt was dirt again. And I ain't doing no fucking videos.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: Give me ten thousand and I'll do it right now.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: Niggas ain't get the ten thousand four. So he put
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: Papa Wool in the mask, put him in there and
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: there like that's not.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: Even him, I am, hell no, so that's not already
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: be in the video.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: Hell no, that's Papa Woo is waiting? Did that bad? Dir?
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: Dirt was dead? Third, one ten grand.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: He's like, I'm not I'll be here camera.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's just one of them. Give him his money.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: That's how he That's how he treated this ship. My
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: brother was allomatic man his days. He fucking all of
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: us face. Y'all ain't shipped without me. Y'all ain't shipped
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: without me. That group wouln't be shipped without me, yo.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: And that's that's.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: It's so funny because we got we got a little
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: bit like of a peek into like some of that
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: uh you know in the Inner Group, you know, drama.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: When the show movie came out, uh, the show, that movie,
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: the show was like in a nineteen ninety five that
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: documentary came out, whomens in Japan know nless.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: You had like meth and you guys yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: yeah yeah yeah. I mean it's nine people, yeah if
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: you count Dona, like yeah, yeah.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: You know, there's so many dudes and all that, plus
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: the DJ yeah all they' all so incredible, right, it's
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: got you know, I can just imagine just how it's
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: just like.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: Earth Whender's fire over there, you know what I mean,
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: It's like he assembled the most high assembled, Like how
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: he assembled us. It was crazy, like like you never
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: get another clean shot of like dope brothers just getting
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: busy at one time ever getting in life like that,
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: Like it's that many like you might catch a little
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: five pack or whatever, but like that, like that, that's
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: dropping signs, mathematics and all that ship like that and
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: and and could do that and do that and do that,
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: like it was all different ship like that we brought
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: to the game, Like you know what.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: I mean, how how how was it?
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: Uh?
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: Because I got to go to the Final Chapter tour,
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: which was incredible the way y'all sequence did and broke
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: it down, like broke the show up. Yeah, was out here.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: I went to Ontario. Oh, how to be safe? I
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: hate Killer Mike. I said, Hey, I'm gonna be honest.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: I know how crazy backstage is gonna be. What's the
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: best move San Diego or Ontaro. He's like, come on Tario.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: But right, man, y'all come out fucking melting people's faces
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: off with the thirty six chamber ship and then right
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: and you and Ray got your It was right. What
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: was that like though? Just being like being on the
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: road there at this stage of y'alls lives, bringing it together.
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: I mean, you know, ain't gonna be I'm gonna be
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: honest with you.
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: It felt it felt so good, like it felt like, Yo,
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: this is the this is the best time I had
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: with these guys on the road since I ever did,
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: you know, as far as the show goes right, as
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: far as the show gos that we ever did like
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean, because we new York place,
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: we felt comfortable. You know your records now the lineup
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: is cool. You know what I mean. It's all in sequence,
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Every everything just went right,
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Then you know the little
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: booking agencies of the Iconic, they was smooth. What they
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: think they had everything legit everything. It felt it just
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: felt like you felt. You felt like how you're supposed
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: to feel.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: I did chars where it was like yo, a lot
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: of shit fucked up. But this time I heard going
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: out with these guys, it felt beautiful to me, like, yo,
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: all right.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: Cool, what's the Because I have a point. I felt
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: like you won. Look, so I got this poster here.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: It's Rage against the Machine Wu Tang seven Classics. I
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: remember just seeing footage of this on m TV.
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: Now I got picked that up and take a picture
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: with it.
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: What what was it? How great? Because this is like wu
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: tank forever. Everybody's at their peak. MAT's the superstar, You're
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: a superstar. Everybody like what? Like? Was that? Was that
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: a harder tour to get through?
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: We was new man, we were still learning. We were
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: still learning this ship and didn't give a funk about nothing.
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: I know, I didn't, you know what I mean. So
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: it's like it's like, but to be right there with
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: those guys like that, they was cool too, He's cool
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: exactly Yeah, yep, yep, yep, yep, mad cool. But it
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: was like, man, that's.
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: History, bro, that's history.
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: Just to just you know, I don't know do they
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: still do they still doing music now?
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: No? They were supposed to do a tour during COVID
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: with I heard something like the Jewels, but it got
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: canceled because of COVID, So no, right.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: Yo, man, that's what it was. Man, that's when we
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: started crossing over. Yeah.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: That when you guys went out on that tour, you're like, oh, ship,
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: there's all these so we and we would we listen.
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: We we left that tour and it was messed up
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: because we had to make a decision like come back
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: to you to your people over here, or stay over
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: here and get big with these guys. And then the
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: decision we meant was was we left.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: We left wet Do you remember how many dates you
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: o there before?
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: You guys know, I don't remember ship, But we left
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: and came back and and and that when we left
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: and did the it was a hot ninety seven.
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: Shit was disaster.
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: It was a disaster like it just it just they
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: cut our records off that day. They they didn't play
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: no wou shit no more. That's when Puffy was really
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: really getting on his ship, like you know what I mean,
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: because we was like, yo, we had line. Then they
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: had it started like it started like that, you know
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: what I mean. And it just wasn't the same no more.
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: They stopped playing our records. I had to talk to
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: the what you might call.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: It, Why did White they stop playing your records?
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: Because I cursed them niggas out, you know what I mean?
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: And it was some of a ship. And then Puff
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: at the end end of the.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: Day, he told, he told, he told reason, he told
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: Rizzard because they they talked and he told Rizzard this
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: is like Rizz has told me this like maybe like
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: a year ago, and ship like yo, that Puff admitted
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: to saying that he stopped our records up there and
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: ship like that or whatever, you know what I mean,
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: while they didn't play that ship and or you know,
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: helped him hot ninety seven motherfuckers just like yo, that
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: was it. So it was all bad boy. That made
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: so when we dropped Triumph that its just like YO,
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: no radio play, but that ship right there, So that
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: ship was like oh, so it came out that he
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: told the truth, like Yo, I had to do it,
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: he said, yah.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: Because you have you know, the whole the ray Kwan,
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: the Biden.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: It might have been accumulation of all that ship.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I don't know.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: He had the power. I don't know what he paid him,
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: but he had the power to go ahead. And I mean,
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: you know, you know, you know listen, he was a threat,
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean. We was coming if that
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: if Trying would have been promoted like that like it
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: was supposed to be in shitt and we would have
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: stayed on nineties on that radio right there. It was
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: like I think things to right now probably would have
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: been a little bit more different. But Yeah, that was
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: a big blow. That was a big blow because the
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: record was still fresh and we had to leave these guys.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: We had to leave these guys. We got to make
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: a decision. We was on a bus or whether he's
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: I think it was on a bus and it was like, yo,
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: we gotta make a decision now, you know what I mean?
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: Should we stay or should we Should we leave the
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: Quebec and do this? But they play in our records
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: and this and that and the third and this then
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: you know whatever, So yeah, I don't know.
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: Whatever the decision was, it was workout.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: It didn't work out regardless of what, because even they
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: still took the record down.
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: Anyway, Hey, gotta stop the interview. You want to get
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: a shout out, man. The only thing we smoked, ladies
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: and gentlemen is slap woods. That's right. Make sure you
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: follow them at slap woods. And you know the reason
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: why we smoked flap woods. It's literally because they slap.
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: You aren't smoke a slap What was What the fuck
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: are you doing? Get back to you? What can you
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: tell me about this? Uh? This album Once upon a
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: Time in chiad Linn that got sold for a million
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: dollars and then obviously it's gotten resold for like two million,
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: and it's not supposed to no one's supposed to hear
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: it for like one hundred years.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: Like yeah, man, I don't know, bro, I don't know
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: what's up with that ship?
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: And I was never really knowing that shit. Is it good?
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: Know what I mean? Is it a good album?
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: It was not to me. It wasn't good to me.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: I'm just not just saying that it wasn't good. There
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: was a bunch of records up there, but it wasn't like, like, wh.
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: Album, it's probably good. It didn't even come out, you
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: know what I mean?
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: Right, It's like yeah, but it was probably like thirty
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: songs up there and ship it was like who's like,
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: who had a couple of records that that y'all might like?
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: But you know me, I'm funny with my ship, so
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: I'm very picky.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: I don't what's rizial like, guys, I got this play,
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: we're gonna do this.
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: No, it wasn't like that. It was a you had
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: this dude called them what's a nigga names silver silvil rings,
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: civil rings? You know what I mean? He's been around,
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: he'd been around the click. But uh, you know, he
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: went to everybody like one by one. It's like this.
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: You go get verses from everybody, you pay him from.
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: Verses, and then you put the ship together.
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: But then you want to try to like you put
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: it together and you gotta play, and then you take
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: it to Riza after the ship was like that, and
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: then y'alling on and together and then and then all
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: of a sudden, this, let me.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: Get this straight. How it worked was he bought a
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: bunch of verses from everybody, yeah, put them together, yeah yeah,
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: and then I owned the rights to these verses. Yeah,
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: and then I'm gonna combine this and so y'all don't even.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't even know if he owns a right
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: whatever it is, whatever it is yet.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: But that's what it was. Were you guys aware that
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: that was something that was gonna even.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: Like, nah, man, if you give me a track right now,
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: I'm just doing it, just giving you the feature man,
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: and you and you paid me for it. Same ship,
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: that ship for You didn't tell me that you're gonna
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: build the album around it.
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: That's the sneaky ship. That's what I'm saying.
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: You're gonna build the album, then y'all gonna do that
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: it did. Don't even break nobody off after you show
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: that for that.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: Much, because at the end of the day to green
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: light it.
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: He gotta sign off one of them because yeah, sh
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: off on you.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: Everybody else just got paid whenever they got paid for
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: their feature.
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's it. Yep, yeah, that was it.
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: And then the y'all gotta turn on the news and
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: be like, wait, how much of this motherfucking album sound exactly? Exactly?
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: So it's like that with him, you know what I
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: always was confused about, uh that. You know, there's always
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: this big ghost guy on on Twitter and ship right,
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: and then like he always is putting projects out with people,
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: He's done stuff with you, but like I always was like,
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: is this a ghost face burner account? Like when you
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: do like some of these side quest albums.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: What do you did with me?
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: Well, I feel like I saw something come up on my.
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: Spot with that nigga, right Wiggs.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: The Big Ghost Ltd. No, Okay, he didn't know me.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: I thought I saw something pop up, but I was
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: gonna ask because you have a lot of like i'll
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: call them side quest albums like you and like.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: H yeah, yeah, yeah, like that you'll.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: Connect with like different young and these great albums when
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: you do those projects, like do you approach them like
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: it's an official like like part of your discography or
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: is it more like, Yo, this is a collaborative effort.
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah that way, you know what I mean? Yeah, you
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: just you just it's like I'm like a hit man,
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like you pay me to
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: do it, John First, I do it for you.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: And and and and that ship, you know what I mean.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: A lot of guys had ship like they send you
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: the script on how they want what they want to do,
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: like Adrian and sent the script like YO, talk about that,
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: talk about that, talk about that, talk about that, and
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: we get it done. Take your ship, you know what
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: I mean? And that ship that makes I don't take
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: it like like yo, it was for me, like you
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: know what I mean, because a lot of stuff I
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: probably wouldn't even you know bro, like that I would have.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: I would have did different other ship. You know what
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: I saw that I was thinking about because I'm looking
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: at it now. There was a Lost Tapes project that
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: came out in twenty twenty three that was Ghost Face
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: Killer and Big Ghost Ltd. That's what it made or
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: word so everly sanctioned.
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it made me du he just be doing just
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: my He just do a lot of well shit, he
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: just do too much and.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: Ship my in my opinion, the most slept on album.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: And I think it's like everyone a lot of people's
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: favorite like in terms of like in the grand scope
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: of your discography is fish Scale and you were able
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: to hop on uh fish scale. Yeah, fish Scale was crazy, dog,
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: but you were able to hop on that dealer beat
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: on there the WHOOPI with the Strap record.
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: Right strap yeah? Yeah, yeah, shouting Diller. I met his
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: mom's not too long ago and stuff like that, doesn't
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: she mad?
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: Cool?
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: That that It took me back. It took me back,
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: took me back.
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: I heard the beat.
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: It was like childhood shit.
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: I see I see, I see, I see, I see
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: me in a little in the living room as a.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: Little dude, you know what I mean, and.
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: You know, anybody having a good time, and then shit
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: like that fly shit playing, you know what I mean,
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: I brothers and you know what I mean, all the
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: Blue Magics and all that shit playing right there in
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: living room.
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: And so it took me right back. To that she
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: used to with me with Stras.
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: It was that, it was that, it was that, So
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: I just had to go ahead and go in at
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: that time what I felt needed to be set on
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: that beat and lay it down.
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: What's crazy because you've worked with so many like incredible producers,
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: all timers. But is there anybody for whatever reason that
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: just has it just had never worked out with you
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: working with him, whether it's an artist, whether it's a
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: producer that you just were like, man, just for whatever
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: reason us working together has just it just hasn't happened yet.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: Just the starts at in the line, Oh you.
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: Know you got a couple of cats out there, you
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: got you got your primo.
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: That's crazy you and might haven't worked together.
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we never worked together like that.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: That's crazy.
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, man, I love I love pream, you know
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying. But it's a lot like I give
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: I give it to all of produced Pete Rock. No,
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: we did one with Pete Rock. I did what I
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: think I might have think it might have been a
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: prodigy or whatever. But I feel like you and Jason,
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: but we mean like there was never a ghost face
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: Hove moment. I mean, I've reached out to his camp.
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: But you know, Hope is like he like Michael Jackson
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: right now, like he out you know, he out there
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: like you know what I mean, Like I can't really
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: like I can't get close to him like that unless
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: you know somebody that knows somebody.
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: There was also like the weird like here New York
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: talk that was going on in like the two thousands,
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: and we're in that conversation. It was like you hove
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: fat gel fifty right.
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: I never really fell into that shit.
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, man. I just do what I do, and they
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: do what they do. Whoever, just you know, at that time,
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: they got the big machine behind him and and it's
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: letting it off like that.
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: Alight, cool, you know what I'm saying.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: But I never looked to be like, you know, King
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: of New York, you know what I mean, and ship
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: like that. I mean, I write, I write where my
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: name could be. You know, don't let me be. I'm
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: not coming to last place, just put it that way.
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: It hurts.
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: So I write for that, like you know what I mean,
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: And I rat I write because I love the game.
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: I love the game. I love it because especially doing albums,
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: it's like it's like people forget how you do albums,
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean. They put a bunch of
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: tracks on just something and say that's the album.
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: I think you got. I think you gotta. I tweeted
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: this like last year, I think you got a top
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: five discography and hip hop history. But right you're in
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: the hell. Yeah, I mean as far as consistency, you
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: know what I mean.
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: So yeah, but you.
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: Take all the wu tang shit out about ghost Face
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: solo albums.
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: Right right right?
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we we we we talked away somewhere in there,
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean.
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: Man, what the four pound golden Eagle? Yes, listen, this
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: is one of the most iconic pieces of jewelry and
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: hip hop history. Where is it today?
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: We head at the video shoot the other day.
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: Outgrew that I had, outgrew it, igrew it.
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: We still got it.
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll let him wear the ice ice you know
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: what I mean. It couldn't fit on me today. We
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: was trying to try it on it can It ain't work.
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: It'd be like a very impractical thing to wear.
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: Like yeah, in general, Yeah, if I if I stretch,
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: if I get the things stretched out and put it back,
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean? But that thing is like
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: when you come out, you gotta just be mad heavy
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: and you gotta you gotta probably just some for for
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: the for the most part. If you're gonna flash him back,
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: you gotta throwing a rolle with that ship. Yeah you
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: got throwing it, got throw it on you. Or bulletproof violence,
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: yeah you got you gotta.
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: Just throw it on got just you know what I mean,
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: what happened to try in the Theodore Unit, because that
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: was an incredible album to.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I mean, brothers get old and and
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: and you know, like you know, you go your separate
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: ways and not you know, we're still cool and shit,
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: but you know, things is like he got he got bills,
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean, he got to take care
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: of his ship. He gotta do.
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: But they did or Unit.
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was just at the while, it just was like,
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean, that's just what it was
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: at that time. You know what I mean, you know
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: how shit goes It just just come by and just
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: just pass you by.
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: Is the story. True Consequence told the story that you
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: at a deaf Jam Christmas party in the nineties went
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: upside Wishbones had from bone Thugs and harmony.
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: No, I mean, it's it's true, but I don't.
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: I don't. I ain't going upside his head. So we
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: just got into some ship. There's a Christmas party and
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: and you know, you know, we had our peoples in there.
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: They haddeas and then we just got into it. There's
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: a lot of shit being thrown around and there and
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: ship like that or whatever.
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: And and this was in Vegas. No, this was a
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: New York in New York, Okay.
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know, we just it it got crazy.
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: But and yeah, that's that's that's Billie. It though we
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: just you know, I thank somebody, not they not from
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: the side, but somebody might got hey with a my
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: wet bottle, you know what I mean. But it was on.
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: It was it was on and there it was on.
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: It was crazy.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I.
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: See them brothers to this day and ship like yo,
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: we man cool. We don't really talk about that like that.
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: You know, it's back they did. But I didn't go
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: outside its head.
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: No, but but but but okay, but but there was a.
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: There was it was. It was an altercation.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: It was an altercation. Yeah, definitely. Hey, we gotta wrap
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  Speaker 1: Let's get back to the interview. What is your favorite
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: uh non ghost set yourself aside Wu Tang verse of
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: all time? Okay on a Wu Tang album. What's your
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: favorite verse that isn't your own?
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: M it might, it might, it might. Mike gotta be
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: from Genius, man, Mike might gotta be from genius, he
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: said on a Wu Tang.
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: Album, Yeah, Wu Tang album, favorite verse ever that wasn't
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: your own? I feel like just I mean obviously we
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: talked about an earlier Jesus.
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean you never know, like you know,
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: because Genius is like one of my favorite rappers, like
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: with him and Nas, you know what I mean. But
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: on a Wou Tang album, Oh, man, I see you
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: got me trying to I gotta do gotta get you
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: some time on that because I gotta go back and
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: look at these albums and and see what was what
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean on these on these albums
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: and ship. But yeah, I can't I can't even tell
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: you that right now.
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: So you end up on New Godflow, which was like
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: a song that had like originally leaked and you were
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: on it, but then you end up on like the
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: official version.
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because I was doing me and Cala was doing
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: Hip Hop Squarz.
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: Oh that the show yeah yeah, and he was like
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: Rosberg was hosting it.
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, He's like, yo, yo, Kanye got this fucking record, man, Yo,
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: this and that and there. Yo. He got the my
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: healthy shit on it, this and that you're telling yo
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: u Yo. I forgot how he was saying you need
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: to be on that, you need to be on this
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: until when I heard the ship now like oh ship,
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: yeah yeah check take that body, oh ship o word.
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: Then it was like, yo, I gotta get it. Even
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: my manager was pushed me out. You gotta get on that,
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: whatever the case may be, and I just tackled. I
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: just jumped on it. Kanye didn't even know I was
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: doing it. I just jumped on it and sent it
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: to him, sent it to him and ship. He made
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: a movie out of it because he broke all that
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: music down and just had me coming at the end
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: of it.
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: So fire, yeah, that's how he did it. And shit,
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: he made a movie. Also. I think one of the
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: greatest remixes of all time is a special Delivery remix,
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: which you fucking knocked out of the park.
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: Oh shot out of all dimmer Yeah yeah, yeah, crazy
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: great album, right right right, no doubt, no doubt. Yeah yeah,
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: I got that for puff, you know what I mean.
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: He wanted me to jump on that ship like.
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: That, despite you cock walking us in ninety seven.
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: It's like, yo, no, because we didn't know. We ain't
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: know that right, right, We didn't really know, like you
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: know what I mean, But yeah, you know puffers, puffed man,
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: a funny dude man, crazy man, you know what I mean.
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: He had all night trying to get me to come
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: to the come shoot the shity. All you have to
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: do is pay me, and he didn't want to pay.
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: So you you and Ray and I just feel like
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: obviously the whole clan in general just have so much
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: influence over fashion. I think about the Wallabies and the
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: Tommy Hill figure like what like like how did y'all
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: initially get into the Wallabe shit? Because the Clarks because
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: it's like.
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: I mean, his neighborhood, his neighborhood to me.
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: Was was like yo, because he had like a lot
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: of drug dealers up there, right, a lot a lot
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: of Jamaicans and and and you know what I mean, Guyanese,
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: big drug dealers up in there. And every time I
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: go to the Hill, that's what they was wearing, big
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: heavy Jerry.
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: And that's where the vision came from.
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: It was like, yo, what I made when I get on,
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: When I get on going on this rope Malabes. You
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: know what I mean, change get a bird. They had
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: all because they had they was they was real milky
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: up there. Things had all that ship like birds change
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: hanging down and they fucking navel and you know what
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: I mean, and all the other ship. So I always
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: kept that vision with me and that's why I use
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: it for myself. But it was like, yeah, they Ray
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: Ray Ray. Ray loved fashion, he loved fastion. He know
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: his shiit, He know his ship. I mean, he might
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: be the he knew how to push it together, say
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: it like that. And he no fly ship. So I
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: pick up a lot of that ship from him, from him,
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So so yeah, he just
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: he's just one of those guys with the fashion. Ain't
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: cap Cap knows shit too. But Ray's like Ray, no names,
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: Ray got names, you.
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: Know, no names. If we set aside Iron Man and
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: Supreme Clientele, they're up on the Man tool. What's your
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: favorite ghost album, your solo album outside of those two.
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: Outside of it?
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, oh they're disqualified.
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: Probably probably was it a Poe Tree?
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the R and B shit, Yeah, yeah.
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: Because I like R and B shit. I'm a R
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: and B cat first great album by the way, Yeah, yeah, man,
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: And we dropped the ball over there. That jam kept
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: dropping the ball on you man, you know what I mean.
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: So that was it. So I was like, yo, you
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: know what I.
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: Feel like a lot of songs that could have been singles.
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: And it dropped the ball.
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: I could have been fucking listen, I could have been
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: surfing right now. You heard it was like you know
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying. It was like they dropped the ball
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: like so many times. You know why, because the original core,
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: the core of it left when you got when you're
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: passing it down, No disrespect to nobody, but you know
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: what I mean, when you got a motherfucker that don't
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: see a vision and just taking you like like yo,
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: all I'm time these guys, yo, you gotta believe in me,
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: believe in what I do. That's shit, Yo, this nat
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: I'm still that nigga, you know what I mean? And
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: and and and they leave, then somebody else come in
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: and take over that. Somebody's like three four people changed.
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: And then when I was there, you know what I mean,
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: a divine had some joints Like I feel like, yeah,
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: rahiem divine, Yeah, that's ship. What's that ship we had instead.
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: Of baby the other one dude, what yeah?
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: Over was crazy?
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: And then John Legend joint what.
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: Was the uh? And then you had to back like
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: that remaxer on there with yeah yeah it was at
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: the end.
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, come on man, you know what I mean. So
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: it's like we had I said, you know what I'm
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: with these where we can't lose. I'm gonna get you
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: a bunch of singles.
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: That's what I gave. I just hit him with a path.
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: Take that.
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: Take that, because you can't denied really like none of
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: them ships and they ain't do nothing.
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: I saw the John Legend one.
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: Day he said, what happened? Said, Yo, Man, I don't know, bro.
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: I couldn't even really, I couldn't.
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: Say nothing like yo, like, yo, you got this Grammy
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: Board winner whatever, nominated this many times, and you can't
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: even do nothing with that record.
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: They didn't want to do nothing, you know what I mean.
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: And it was like I said, I ran through like
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: four different bosses up there.
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah I was fire, you know what I mean?
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: Yo? What do you like? Because there's so many like
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: weird spin off Wu Tang projects that like if you
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: were to go to Wu Tang Spotify profile. Yeah, there's
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: like hell of random shit right that I don't consider
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: wutang album. What is the last album you consider to
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: be a true Wu Tang album?
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: A true Wu Tang I mean something.
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: I like, no, just like an official There's so many
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: fucking random mutang just I don't know what the fuck's
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: going on. Sometimes it's like to think independently shit and
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: then there's like there's just a lot of shits just
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: getting kind of thrown together with the logo. But what's
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: in your opinion? What was the last time it was
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: a like this is a Wu Tang project, Like put
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: this up in the discography as.
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: It is different. I mean even some of the shit
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: that we did after that, to me any the first
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: two albums was wo albums.
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: So even the w Iron Flag w.
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: W was coy.
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: It was a Wu Tang album, but it was dark.
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: It was too dark. It was too dark.
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: She was like, damn, nigga, the fuck you know what
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: I mean, It's like you just came off for this
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: and that, and it's like, you know, I mean, it's
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: I'm in I'm in it, but you know what, I'm
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: keeping a buck with you. I didn't really like.
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: I'm funny man, like a better tomorrow. I think it's
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: probably the last one in my head that it felt
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: like you guys are.
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I got to hear it again, but
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean. But I know, listen, man,
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: like I said, the first two, I know, those was
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: those was the joints. Those are the joints, you know.
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: But I just know as far but as far as us,
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: I know where we can go.
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: So what I'm listening, so you gotta stay.
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: It's like if your brother did wrong, you still got
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: to stand by this motherfucker. You see what I'm saying, Like, Yo,
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: I don't care. I know you know you're in the
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: wrong right, but you gotta stand by the product. You
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: got to stand by it, you know what I mean.
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: And that's what it was. So I'm just being honest
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: with you, thinking, like Yo, the first album and the
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: second album to me, is just all WU albums because
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: I don't never hear.
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: Nobody talking about these other records.
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: I listen, you know what I mean. No, listen, bro
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: not argue with you about that.
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't hear nobody talk about none of them shits,
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So but I'm just but
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: I know I will potential of fucking some of the
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: greatest mcs in the world is like, yo, nigga, all
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: we needed was the right vibe and beats. Let's that's
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: what it be. The right vibe and the right beats.
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: That's it, you know what I mean? And and you
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: know and and it was like I said, at w
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: was just mad dog and I'm not kicking dirt on it,
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: but it was like, you know, I know the potential
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: and where we could go. So that wasn't none of
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: my you know what I mean?
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: Can you tell me? Because obviously I think Supreme clientales
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: in the convo only built for Cuban NAKs is in
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: the convo outside of the albums that you are on
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: the on the cover of or that are your own.
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: I think there's one obvious answer. But what is the
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: best Wu Tang solo album outside of yours or only bil.
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: For Cuban links Wu Tang solo album?
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I really think there's only one answer here.
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: But hold on, but with me and raised not included
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: in it?
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: Correct?
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: Oh solo ship man? Uh, I might got three.
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: For you though, Okay, give me give yeah, let's go.
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: I'll take a dirty album, first album album, I'll take
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: Genius first.
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: Album, that's the one, right, Liquid Swords.
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: And then to Cal the Cal first album, you know
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: what I mean. So I'll do, I'll do, I'll take those.
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: I like those, you know what I mean? So yeah, definitely, I.
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: Think Liquid Swords is like somehow like the most I
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: showed you.
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: I think, you know, I mean, like like between him
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: and Eschol, like my best.
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: That's your those are your two favorites, like your Gold's
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: Like I'll go, I'll go, I'll go, I'll go. Has
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: it been pretty dope? Obviously Nas is on the new album?
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: Of course, you guys got an Adupe record. Can you
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: take me back to verbal Intercourse? And like Nas got
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: the fuck off and he he came in historical way.
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he came in.
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: He was in the basement over there, Michelle Court.
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean. He was gonna Staten Allen.
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: You know Nives was Nis. I know you'll know what
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: he's already built for, you know what I mean. He
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: came in. I don't know did he did? He did?
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: He? Yeah?
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: I think we all laid our ship after I think
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: if I'm not mistaken, So yeah, but nas had two
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: verses he wrote too, he wrote too right there on
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: the on the spot, and we stuck with that one.
• 56:39
  Speaker 3: All of them was murdered too, you know what I mean.
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: But I think the way he glided on that, on
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: that verse that we chose him to to pick, that
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: was it.
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: It was.
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: It was gone.
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: It was a home run, you know what I mean?
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: So does it exist somewhere to lay it down?
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: I don't know if he laid it down, but I
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: know he said it, and he was saying some fire
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: shitting there.
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: But.
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was that was it. It was like cameras
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: in action. He just took that word. That was it,
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: Glad McGinnis and gold word.
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: That was it. Have you still like not watch the
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: Hulu series? Are you still like oblivious to it? You
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: watch it, you talked about it, you know cool? Yeah
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: yeah I watched it. You just weren't interested? Yeah?
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, just because I needed to tell my story.
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: At least, they should let you pick the fucking actor
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: who plays you, right, did you have.
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: Any I mean no, no, he's he's cool. He's cool.
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: He's cool.
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's cool. Yeah what I mean?
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: But do you feel like I feel like the ghost
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: face eighty story before like getting into Wu Tang is
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: probably like pretty crazy.
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: It was man crazy, Listen, I'm not kicking dirt on it.
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm glad it's a dead he did.
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: I'm glad he did what he d I'm glad he
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: he put that out because you know what he did.
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: It was refreshing to like the younger generation. Yeah, people
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: who like and I'm like this new show and now
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: she's engaged. Right, So he did that, He did that,
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: He did that, He did that. That was a smart
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: move and everything. I just think, I just say't check
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: it because I didn't get a chance. I mean, yeah,
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: I never had a chance to talk to the people
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: that was doing, like the writers, whatever the case, to
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: let him know, Yo, this is my ship, bro, you
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: know what I mean. So when somebody's making something up,
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: they don't get me wrong. Some of it is based
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: on like, you know, actual shit. But you know what, Nah,
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: if you're gonna do my shit, nigga, we're gonna do
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: it right. So I didn't really feel that I had
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: to watch it like that or whatever, you know what
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: I mean, because I know the truth and I don't
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: want to look at something that's like Nah, that didn't
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: go because I even got bat got a word yo,
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: niggas in the town.
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: It's like yo, this no.
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: We was never like no no, no, no relaxing and relax
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: just TV this and that, but you know, you want
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: to one real shit.
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: So that was it. So I didn't watch it.
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: That makes sense. Yeah, I respect it. New albums coming out,
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: special delivery or not special delivery too, I'm fucking retarded
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: something about special delivery. Supreme Clientele too, right, right? Are you?
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: Like when you name it this, you know that the
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: expectations is like everybody's gonna already just be thinking, okay,
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: Supreme Clientele too. This is right, This is right, this
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: is the expectations are crazy, like right. I mean, it's
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: an amazing album. I was lucky enough to hear it,
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: but it's like five, bro, I think you delivered.
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: You know, it's just what it is for the times,
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean? I remember, man, this is
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: twenty five years ago of other Ship, and it's like,
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: you know, I just wanted to vibe and trying to
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: like fit a couple of songs and where it's like
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: good songs, like yo, you know what, I just this
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: this could pass that could pass, that could pass.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 3: I had to go through the past test, you.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: Know what I mean?
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: And you know, and that's just what it was.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: Like.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: I feel like there's like a dope, little high energy
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: pocket in the album where you got like the DJ
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: homie like nar kind of like hosting.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah break yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah, records
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: in a row yeah yeah. Like you know, because I
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: try to you got to figure out like where you
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: want to go, you know what I mean. And it's like,
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: you know, I'm like I said, I'm an old school cat,
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: so I like I like doing like this rhyming off
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: of breaks and doing and you know what I mean.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: And because we come from that world though, we come
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: from that world, you know what I mean. And you know,
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: Todd Boogie was like you know, you know what, yo,
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: you know, I messed with Todd, you know what I mean.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: I messed with all of them, came free all of.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: Them, like you know what I mean.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: But you know, Todd was just in the spot one
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: day where you know, there's a party going on. I
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: was like, yo, I need you for something, you know
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: what I mean, And he just kept his word. So
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: it was like that I just want to make that.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: I just want to you know, you could have went
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: anywhere with it, but you gotta really like when you're
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: doing these kind of albums, it's like, Yo, where you
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: going with it?
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: Like Lo Lauren went with like Miseducation.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: Of course you know what I mean or whatever whatever
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: of Lauren Hill, that's the vibe.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 3: That was the vibe. What's your vibe? What's it going
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 3: to be? Miss?
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: And that and the third So you know, I just
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: try to play it out like that.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: Before you get out of here, I want to know, Uh,
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: can you share an MF. Doom story? Because Doom and
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: you I feel like for whatever reason, Yeah, dude, that's
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: my god. God. And I know that you guys unreleased Man,
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: did y'all have?
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: We didn't release it? Yeah, it was like we was
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: going and release it, you know what I mean. But
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: Doom was on Doom time, you know what I mean.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: So we had the records recorded and stuff like that,
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: and he was sitting there for a minute, you know
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: what I mean.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 3: I don't know who. I don't know who.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: I think his family got got direct it to whatever
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: the case may be. But as time went on, you know,
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: I just wanted to get ahead and clean my vocals
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: up because you know, I didn't want to sound like
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: back then, you know what I mean. So that's where
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: we was at with it, about to go back in
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: and and do just the same verses, but just do
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: them over, Just do them over so it can sound
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: more up the dating now, plus we have recorded of that.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: Back then, my man's studio wasn't really all a clear
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: and shit.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: But how did you guys like link up?
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 3: Like what's because I was on a Project RAF tour
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 3: with Snoop Corn and remember that, remember that tour?
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: Right? Yeah?
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: So but but somebody I had got a I had
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: got a somebody gave me a c D. And the
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: name on it was Metal Fingers, you know what I mean.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: It was Metal Fingers and I just put it on
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: and it was like this guy had crazy beat like
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: up in my up in my alley, like you know
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: what I mean, like, oh ship, Like, who the fuck
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: is this? Come to find out it was him. It
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: was him, So I'm like yo, And that's how it
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: got together from right there. Yeah. So the one thing
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: just led to the next. Gave me beasts for fish
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: scale and more fish you know what. I mean he
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: came through, came through the studio and ship, you know
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: what I mean, fucking around and I started bumping into
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: him out there in Europe and shit like doom, Yo Yo.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: I pull up on him city outside the hotel him
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: like yo, was yo, yo, doom you're gonna turn around
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: like because I guess he thought he was on the
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: hot out.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: He turned them, Yo, How you know it was me?
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: I know you That's how I know it was you.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean, like yo, he's one of
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: those guys, said like, you know, I guess he really
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: was like in doom mode like yo, like you know,
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: because he always with some slie, a real slide cat.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: That's that's just like yo.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: You know what stayed at shelf here, you know, get
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: in the room and around a whisper to you yo, yo,
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: yo yo, that's not the third you know what I mean. Whatever,
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: we posted some things together. I told him, like, yo,
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: we should do a five pack nigga two for fives
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: some ship like that. You know, I forgot how I
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: explained to him, shit next to each other on the plane,
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: just going at it and ship like that. You know,
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: he's telling me about the masks and you know what
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: I mean things like that.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's crazy because I feel like like almost like
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: wu tang. Yeah, for the like new generation of kids
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: like my sons and my son's nineteen, and he wasn't
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: around when Doom was cracking, you know what I'm saying.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: But like there's this whole generation of kids that like
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: Doom is like immortalized. They got from.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: Tattoos and yeah, yeah, a lot of interviews, like he
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: never really showed his face like that. People didn't know
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: like it was doing. So it's the mystery behind all
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: that too.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: And he's witty with his ship, just crazy.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? He whitty with his ship.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: So you know that's so we still might get that album.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 3: I don't know, man, I don't I don't know.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? It's you rapping over his
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: beats or was it both y'all rapping?
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 3: We both rapping?
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: Oh ship, come on, man? Out the way that they
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: like that, it's like it was. I don't ever think
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: it goes please Oh, I don't have nothing to do
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: with it. No, you said you want to recut that,
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: I want to.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: I want to just wanted the game to make it
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: more clean and like you know what I mean, because
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: you know, because you know what, if.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: You recut the vocals for thirty six chambers, that'd be fine.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: Hear what you're saying?
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I mean, you know what are we doing?
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: Man? We might fucking MF doom face album?
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: Man? Right, but they got I mean, the.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: Unmixed, unmastered. It could sound like he was recording a
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: fucking shoe box.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: His family got his family got it? Dope, man, got it?
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: Word though, Well, now it's out there, let's just put
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: it out.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: Are you okay with that?
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: Hopefully negotiating for the family right.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: Now, right right right, right right right.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: No, listen, man, the new album. Everyone should go go
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: go run it up. Man. I'm just glad to see
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: uh you know you and Ray Uh delivering. In twenty
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: twenty five, the WU tour was incredible. Right are you
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: does the battery in your back? Are we? Are? We
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: just still recording? Like what is like?
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: You know, the battery's there, battery's batter, battery's there. You
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: know what I mean?
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 3: So you know, we we're older now.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: I understand music more than ever, you know what I mean,
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: the frequency of music.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 3: And yeah, man, as long.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: As this is a good beat to it, like you
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: know what I mean, A fire track that make me
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: want to get and get busy. Oh we there for it,
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: We did for it. But you know, the spirit is dead.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: The spirit ain't never left.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: I would love to hear because you know who's doing
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: a lot of collap albums as Alchemist, if you're an alchemist.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 3: Alchemist told it to me all the time, whole album.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: They called me for that.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: Yo, yo, we need to do seven pack and we
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: need to do that. You need to do that, you
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: know what I mean?
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: Have you heard Alfredo too? No? Him and Freddy Gabbs
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: fucking got off.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, but I heard about that.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: So good? What about I'm curious. Did you listen to
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: the new Eclipse album? Yeah, yep, yep, yep. Yeah.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: They they kind of like, yeah, they kind of like
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: lit that match. They kind of kind of like looked
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: that match. They kind of looked that match.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: I feel like I feel like it was like battle
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: last year. Yeah, and then this year Clips just kind
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: of set it off everybody.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: And then plus you know what it's like, it's like
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: for music to come back because you've been listen everything
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: changes and a lot of old ship is coming back
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: from clothing ta everything you might have you much.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 3: I heard about that the other day.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: I said, where they take in baggy pants? Now, like
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: sh got me out of baggy jeans, and now you're
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: coming back with baggy jeans.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: But my twelve year olds got the bat. He was
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: wearing some pants yesterday of his birthday. Classic, bro, what
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: the fuck is.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: Going on here?
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: Right? Ship? I was wearing when I was fucking a kid.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: Right right, right right right. But but but everything always
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: comes back around. So when the when when when they
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: came with that, it was a good time because you
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: know what we've been hearing the rest of this, Not
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: saying that music is bullshit a lot of but we
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: we've been hearing around. We've been hearing a lot of
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: the same thing for a long period of time. So
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: now when you get it just reminds you, like yo,
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: you know what, there's still real music to be made,
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: good music. Not saying not this, not putting that down,
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: but you know what, from the era that we came from,
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: you don't hear that like I wish pay La Belle
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: or somebody dropped the joint. You see what I'm saying
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: like like that type of shit, you know what I mean.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: So when you get music, how they doing and shit
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: like that. And then you got Ray Kahan coming, you
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: know what I mean, Slick Rick Kane and Deep is
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: a new one. I'm on that one too, you know
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying. Then you got Naves and Primo coming,
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean. It's it's all lined up,
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And whoever else is coming,
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: are you on the album? I'm not going that just
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: yeah I wasn't doing that. Yeah I was knowing that.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah nah, I should have been on it. But you know,
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: well you yeah you're Primo. Yeah but you know yeah,
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: but you know, but yeah. But I'm just saying though,
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: so all this shit is just a refreshing you know.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: It's there's no risk of production on this new album. No, okay?
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: Is it hard to get riz beats in twenty twenty five.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not gonna say it's hard.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: You gotta be there, you know, just to ask him
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: and you know what I mean, and ship like that,
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: like he ain't really throwing around beats, I guess me
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: unless you ask him. But you know, we're grown now,
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: so we just be going hand like yo, who got
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: who got that? Who got that? Who got that sound?
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: We got that sound? We got that you know what
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: I mean? For whatever you're looking for, like you know
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: what I mean? And ship like that.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: So listen, man, thank you for your time. I've held
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: I've held you five minutes over and it looks like
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: Alan Strim is about to blow a casket over there.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: So good brother ghost, Yeah, baby shit you brother, gohoes
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: face killing bott can't boot leg time