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UK Column News — 24th June 2026 · UK Column Radio

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Speaker 1: Good afternoon. It's Wednesday, the twenty fourth of June twenty
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Speaker 1: twenty sixth, just after one o'clock. Welcome to UK column News.
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Speaker 1: I'm your host Mike Romson. Joining me by videoing today
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Speaker 1: are Charles Mallett and Vanessa Billy and later in the
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Speaker 1: program we're going to be reporting on the new government
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Speaker 1: procurement rules, or rather the removal of the rules, the
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Speaker 1: proposal or sorry, the possible merging of US and there's
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Speaker 1: really intelligence and highly former Starmer. Government intends to make
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Speaker 1: sure that the only news you see is from the BBC.
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Speaker 1: But we're going to begin today with the National Security
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Speaker 1: STIT Threats Bill, which Charles briefly reported on last week. Charles,
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Speaker 1: what's the latest?
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Speaker 2: Thank you right, Good afternoon, and good afternoon all. Yes,
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Speaker 2: the reason for coming back to it quite so quickly
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Speaker 2: is that it is moving on at a terrific pace.
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Speaker 2: You may recall that last week on the seventeenth of June,
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Speaker 2: it was already going through its second reading in the
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Speaker 2: House of Commons. Now that's been accelerated, so it's already
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Speaker 2: had a first and second reading in both the Houses
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Speaker 2: of Commons and the House of Lords. There's no doubt
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Speaker 2: that this is being pushed at what might be described
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Speaker 2: as an alarming speed. Also, of course worth noting that
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Speaker 2: the news dominating the headlines of the last week or so,
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Speaker 2: the Starmer Burnham spectacle has of course kicked this in
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Speaker 2: effect as far as the public's concerned, into the long grass.
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Speaker 2: So just to recap why this matters, it should really
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Speaker 2: be regarded first of all as an upgrade to the
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Speaker 2: National Security Act of twenty twenty three, which contained many
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Speaker 2: fairly draconian provisions of its own. But of course this
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Speaker 2: is going to sit alongside the existing terrorism legislation under
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Speaker 2: the Terrorism Act two thousand, but in particular the area
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Speaker 2: that in the Terrorism Act is described as prescription. Therefore
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Speaker 2: a body that may be deemed by the Home Office
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Speaker 2: to be in effect banned, and that therefore any support
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Speaker 2: of it incurs criminal sanctions for the person doing the supporting.
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Speaker 2: Now for the National Security State Threats Bill, or at
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Speaker 2: least Act as it looks like it will become, this
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Speaker 2: is going to manifest in the designation of bodies, so
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Speaker 2: that the Secretary of State Home Secretary will have the
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Speaker 2: power to create what are described as designated bodies that
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Speaker 2: are involved in foreign power threat activity. Now, the language
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Speaker 2: that's going to be used in this Act, if it
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Speaker 2: becomes so, is deliberately vague in order that it may
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Speaker 2: act as a catch all, and in particular the attention
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Speaker 2: should be drawn to the offenses that are going to
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Speaker 2: be created, and similar again to the Terrorism Act, there
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Speaker 2: are offenses of providing support for, or indeed assisting such
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Speaker 2: designated bodies. Of course, it's entirely up to the Secretary
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Speaker 2: of State as to which organizations or which body is
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Speaker 2: in fact involved in such foreign power threat activity, and
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Speaker 2: whether it's necessary to designate the body in order to
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Speaker 2: protect the safety or the interests of the United Kingdom.
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Speaker 2: So the point to be made is that that the
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Speaker 2: threshold with regard to the designation of a body is
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Speaker 2: most likely to be considerably lower than that for prescribing
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Speaker 2: an organization according to the current terrorism legislation. Now, there's
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Speaker 2: no way, I think that one could say this would
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Speaker 2: float in the way that it has if there weren't
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Speaker 2: considerable supporting architecture. And most recently, I think we trace
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Speaker 2: that back to the debate in the House of Commons
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Speaker 2: on the eighth of June, in which Dan Jarvis then
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Speaker 2: still Security Minister was asked the question about effectively what
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Speaker 2: he and his department was doing concerning extremism. Now, that
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Speaker 2: gave him the opportunity to talk about a government initiative
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Speaker 2: to produce an annual State of Extremism report. And the
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Speaker 2: critical detail here is that this is going to involve
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Speaker 2: what's described as the aiming of names. So the public
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Speaker 2: are going to be led down a very very particular
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Speaker 2: path as to not just what extremism is constituted by,
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Speaker 2: but who those extremists are and what particular groups it
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Speaker 2: is they come from in order they have a very
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Speaker 2: very narrow view of what extremism might mean. Also, it
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Speaker 2: gave Jarvis the opportunity to refer back and Rubin and
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Speaker 2: I have given this some attention protecting what matters now
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Speaker 2: using language that seems very positive towards a more confident,
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Speaker 2: cohesive and resilient United Kingdom, But of course the undertone
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Speaker 2: is actually considerably more disturbing that and indeed it does
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Speaker 2: push this narrative that there is an extremist around every
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Speaker 2: corner and that you need to be aware of who
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Speaker 2: they are and what it is they might be up to.
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Speaker 2: Now to bring it up to the present, day just yesterday,
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Speaker 2: during the second the House of Lords, and I think
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Speaker 2: think the point to be drawn out of that debate
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Speaker 2: is that every sinker in that debate was inking was
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Speaker 2: really over minor technicalities and in particular whether there might
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Speaker 2: be inadvertent entrapment of particularly those working with humanitarian organizations.
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Speaker 2: But there was not a single mention of whether or
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Speaker 2: not this was a proportionate proposal with regard to legislation
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Speaker 2: that was either necessary or indeed over the mark. In
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Speaker 2: actual fact, there was even the suggestion that it didn't
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Speaker 2: go far enough, and also that the sentencing being fourteen
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Speaker 2: years or ten years depending on the particular offense, actually
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Speaker 2: made the Official Secrets Act look somewhat lenient. So of
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Speaker 2: course I think we can stand by for the Official
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Speaker 2: Secrets Act now to scrutiny. One thing I'd like comment
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Speaker 2: from Vanessa on was the fact that, as is so
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Speaker 2: often the case, Iran was a focus, but in particular
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Speaker 2: the IRGC, which of course has been talked about for
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Speaker 2: a long time, has been a push to try to
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Speaker 2: prescribe under terrorism legislation. But here we have the RGC
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Speaker 2: presented as in effect the exemplar for why this would
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Speaker 2: be a necessary piece of legislation. So, Vanessa, I just
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Speaker 2: wondered what your thoughts were specifically on that issue.
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Speaker 3: Well, I think, you know, it's simply continuing this idea
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Speaker 3: that Iran is a direct threat to the UK, which
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Speaker 3: is ridiculous, and the continued prescribing of any organization that
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Speaker 3: is effectively resisting Zionist expansion in the region, and of
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Speaker 3: course Iran heads that up. So again, I just think
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Speaker 3: we're seeing complicity with the UK towards Israel.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I think I would absolutely agree there were
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Speaker 2: in fairness to those speaking, there were a couple of
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Speaker 2: oblique references to China and Russia and North Korea being
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Speaker 2: the other usual suspects. But another critical point here, which
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Speaker 2: of course we've talked about a lot, and it's been
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Speaker 2: written about a lot lot by UK column sort of
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Speaker 2: in connection with the Strategic Defense Review and the National
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Speaker 2: Security Strategy from twenty twenty five. But this is this
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Speaker 2: repeated claim by Ken McCullum, the head of MI five,
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Speaker 2: that they are constantly foiling what they're describing as state
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Speaker 2: back plot by Iran. But of course, because of the
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Speaker 2: secret nature of it, public has never actually allowed to
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Speaker 2: know what that really means, and this is looking increasingly
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Speaker 2: like a sledgehammer with which the government may strike any
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Speaker 2: form of descent simply by labeling it as being the
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Speaker 2: product of some sort of foreign interference. So I think
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Speaker 2: people should really be taking a very very good look
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Speaker 2: at this, and I would encourage you to go to
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Speaker 2: the bill that will be listed in the show notes
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Speaker 2: and have a good look through it in order that
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Speaker 2: you can how and why you might want to make
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Speaker 2: any representations on an issue of speed.
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Speaker 4: There was just.
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Speaker 2: One comment by Lord Verderame who said, and I quote,
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Speaker 2: we have only two days to table amendments and then
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Speaker 2: just one day to debate them. So there was at
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Speaker 2: least some concession given to the speed with which this
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Speaker 2: is being pushed through, but obviously not nearly enough. And
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Speaker 2: the only other thing to bring out so the sort
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Speaker 2: of spin off effects, and one that caught my eye
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Speaker 2: was in particular it's just been launched now from the
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Speaker 2: Counter Extremism Group. This is Young Leaders in National Security fellowship. Now,
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Speaker 2: I think given that Lord Carlyle is effectively the front
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Speaker 2: man for this and has been involved with various committees
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Speaker 2: during his time in the House of Lords, we can
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Speaker 2: see very obviously where this is going. I've just referred
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Speaker 2: to the fact that Iran is absolutely a focus of this,
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Speaker 2: and of course there are many references to both Hamas
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Speaker 2: and Hezbolla too, so it's I mean, one might take coincidence,
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Speaker 2: although that seems less likely that of course Lord Carlisle
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Speaker 2: here shown in the Jewish Chronicle saying I had no
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Speaker 2: idea that my Jewish that I had Jewish blood for
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Speaker 2: many years. Of course, who's brought up as a as
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Speaker 2: an Anglican. So I'm not trying to make connections where
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Speaker 2: none exists. But the point is that the suggestion of
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Speaker 2: their being a threat from elsewhere is almost always pointing
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Speaker 2: back to there being some sort of either anti Israel
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Speaker 2: or anti Semitic threat. Now, just to close with the
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Speaker 2: group in mind that I've just mentioned the Counter Extremism Group,
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Speaker 2: and just to highlight the revolving nature of the revolving
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Speaker 2: door nature of government and so called think tanks, Robert Simcox,
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Speaker 2: who was one of the founding directors of the Counter
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Speaker 2: Extremism Group, was taken out of that post straight into
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Speaker 2: government to be the Commissioner for Countering Extremism. So that's
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Speaker 2: just a sort of closing note and Mike, I mean,
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Speaker 2: I'd just like to hand back to you while we've
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Speaker 2: got a bit of time, just to get your thoughts
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Speaker 2: on this. I mean, partly on the speed of it,
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Speaker 2: but also the provisions and where it looks like it's going.
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Speaker 1: Well, where it's going, it's very dark place. I mean,
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Speaker 1: of course, David Miller and Chris Williamson are already under
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Speaker 1: pressure from the British government for their programming, which you
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Speaker 1: know was for Press TV, and clearly there are going
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Speaker 1: to be targets of this, Charles.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think they absolutely are, as well
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Speaker 2: as many many others. And I think this is the
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Speaker 2: point we've seen this with the terrorism legislation, is in
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Speaker 2: effect anybody can be a target because it is so
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Speaker 2: terribly subjective, and also it puts in the minds of
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Speaker 2: the public that anything may be regarded as a matter
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Speaker 2: of national security and therefore should not be questioned on
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Speaker 2: that basis. And I think that is an extremely alarming
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Speaker 2: precedent to.
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Speaker 1: Said, okay, what about this article then.
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Speaker 2: Well, I mean on a very much related note, because
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Speaker 2: of course we've seen over the last few years there's
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Speaker 2: been great scrutiny, particularly of the arms trade, particularly where
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Speaker 2: Israel is concerned and this caught my eye from Action
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Speaker 2: on Armed Violence, and I would just take a quote
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Speaker 2: from this excellent article written by Akil Ranjan, and we
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Speaker 2: have Akil with us on the program, but just before
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Speaker 2: I introduce him, I will just read just a quote
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Speaker 2: talking about the timing of it. And of course this
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Speaker 2: is a ten thousand percent increase of UK imports of
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Speaker 2: Israeli military goods. And he's written that the increase comes
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Speaker 2: despite mounting political tensions between London and Jerusalem over Israel's
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Speaker 2: military conduct in Gaza and growing scrutiny of military ties
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Speaker 2: between the two countries. Akil, thank you very much for
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Speaker 2: joining us. Welcome to UK column. Just tell us a
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Speaker 2: bit about your research for the article and what it
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Speaker 2: is exactly that you've uncovered.
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Speaker 5: I think you have absolutely a spot on the issue.
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Speaker 5: And the quote Dartigo my elis so just to a start.
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Speaker 5: I came across a report by Associated Tests, a new agency,
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Speaker 5: last month and they say that despite global criticism and
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Speaker 5: allegation of you know, committing war times and genocide and
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Speaker 5: Palestine by Israel, the Israeli quote unquote battle tested a
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Speaker 5: military equipment imports exports of Israeli battle tested ability equipment
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Speaker 5: has you know, grown quite like high rate. For example,
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Speaker 5: they say that between twenty twenty two to twenty twenty five,
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Speaker 5: the export, the total export was rose by thirty eight persons,
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Speaker 5: so that's quite a massive hike. And including UK, there
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Speaker 5: are several they say that around fifty counties that are
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Speaker 5: purchasing or increase their purchase of Israeli military equipment. So
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Speaker 5: it was quite starting striking for me as a researcher,
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Speaker 5: as a journalist because on the ground we see e
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Speaker 5: when the issue was widely debate in parliament as well
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Speaker 5: UK Parliament, and I went through some notes in Hansard
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Speaker 5: and I say that there's quite attention and that was
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Speaker 5: quite evident for public as well when the UK government,
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Speaker 5: but any official Israeli government delegations entry into the Defense
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Speaker 5: a JC Expo last year. So that was kind of
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Speaker 5: a premise of my research and I did try to
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Speaker 5: find some data to support the research. And I was
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Speaker 5: very curious that what sorts of equipment and you know,
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Speaker 5: security gadgets are being imported by the UK, because UK
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Speaker 5: exports a lot of military equipment to Israel and other countries.
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Speaker 5: That is a well known fund. But this reverse you know,
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Speaker 5: import was something very new for me at the journalist,
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Speaker 5: so I started my research. I didn't find much on
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Speaker 5: the UK own a global trade data base, but I
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Speaker 5: mostly relied on the you and Contrade base and also
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Speaker 5: I verified that finding with the Trading Economics Global DA
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Speaker 5: database for the export and imports.
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Speaker 2: Okay, thank you very much indeed, and that will be
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Speaker 2: linked to your article in the notes below this program.
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Speaker 2: It's a very valuable bit of research. And of course
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Speaker 2: this from a government that insists that it's relationship with
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Speaker 2: Israel with regard to arms is completely proper. And thank
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Speaker 2: you very much indeed for joining us.
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Speaker 1: Thank you and thank you Charles. And a very much
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Speaker 1: related topic. Then let's move on to procure because the
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Speaker 1: former Starmer government has decided that public procurement needs to
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Speaker 1: be transformed. So we just bring this on screen and
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Speaker 1: the question is what's going to be transformed into. Well,
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Speaker 1: the press release says every year the government spends around
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Speaker 1: four hundred billion pounds on public procurement and for far
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Speaker 1: too long this spending has been focused too narrowly on
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Speaker 1: short term requirements and upfront costs. This has left the
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Speaker 1: UK exposed to global shocks, with recent events showing the
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Speaker 1: fragility of global supply chains. This new guidance, this just
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Speaker 1: published yesterday, draws a line under that approach and works
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Speaker 1: to protect the UK's national security and build resilience in
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Speaker 1: critical sectors. Richel Reeves, for her part, said we have
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Speaker 1: the right economic plan using the power of public procurement
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Speaker 1: to protect our national security and strengthen the UK's economic resilience.
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Speaker 1: British companies, she said, are delivering the innovation and resilience
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Speaker 1: we need in a more uncertain world. This government will
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Speaker 1: continue to back British businesses as we strengthen our national
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Speaker 1: security and economic resilience. Well so much for the official line.
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Speaker 1: The question is what is going on here? Will this
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Speaker 1: announcement relies on the national Security Exemption which is included
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Speaker 1: in the Procurement Act twenty twenty three. Now this of
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Speaker 1: course was Tory legislation, but because Labor is different and
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Speaker 1: was elected on a platform of change, they're carrying on
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Speaker 1: with it as if nothing has happened. Now. To support
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Speaker 1: this new approach, the government has appointed dedicated sector leads
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Speaker 1: in key departments across Whitehall. These leads, they say, will
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Speaker 1: support ministers and oversee upcoming procurements so they can appropriately
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Speaker 1: apply the national security exemption for contracts. In other words,
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Speaker 1: have appointed civil servants in the major departments to make
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Speaker 1: sure the normal procurement rules which provide transparency and accountability
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Speaker 1: are not followed. And alongside this, the Treasury will be
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Speaker 1: writing to accounting officers across the government on the importance
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Speaker 1: of protecting national security through future bding decisions and so.
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Speaker 1: In other words, creative accounting is the order of the day.
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Speaker 1: So the question is why should be concerned about this? Well,
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Speaker 1: the definition of national security is so broad as to
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Speaker 1: be meaningless, and this gives the government free raiinto spend
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Speaker 1: money on what they were, they like and whatever they
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Speaker 1: want under the cover of national security arms as Skill
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Speaker 1: has been saying there for the obvious example. But there's
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Speaker 1: no reason to be limited to that. And if I
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Speaker 1: were to suggest pollunteer, maybe that might have raised alarm
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Speaker 1: bells with some people. But this government isn't as corrupt
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Speaker 1: as the last one, is it. Well consider this. We
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Speaker 1: bring this back on screen because in the course of
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Speaker 1: the COVID situation, the British regimes spent billions on ppe
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Speaker 1: on emergency equipment like ventilators and so called Nightingale hospitals
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Speaker 1: and so on, and much of this was utterly corrupt,
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Speaker 1: with billions going into the hands of friends of MPs
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Speaker 1: and civil servants. And the reason this came to light,
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Speaker 1: this so called scandal, was that while these contracts were
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Speaker 1: awarded under agency direct awards, which bypassed competitive tendering, the
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Speaker 1: contracts still had to be published. But the National Security
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Speaker 1: exemption doesn't bypass competitive tendering while leaving a record no. Instead,
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Speaker 1: it takes the contract out of covered procurement altogether. No
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Speaker 1: competitive process, no transparency notices, no exclusion or debarment checks.
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Speaker 1: And of course they would argue that there are other
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Speaker 1: protections in place, for example, data protection law, human rights obligations,
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Speaker 1: and so on. But you'll have to excuse me if
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Speaker 1: I'm somewhat skeptical about that.
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Speaker 6: This.
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Speaker 1: You know, we've got to consider direction of travel here,
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Speaker 1: and what we've seen over the last couple of decades
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Speaker 1: is more and more legislation with broader and looser definitions
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Speaker 1: of terms, as Charles has just been mentioning with respect
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Speaker 1: to the new National Security Bill, and so if the
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Speaker 1: previous legislation doesn't quite cut it, they seem to simply
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Speaker 1: take another bite at the cherry. So you know, another
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Speaker 1: question we could be asking is why are there circumstances
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Speaker 1: in which public procurement rules are being subverted at all
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Speaker 1: in this way? And I'm just going to end with
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Speaker 1: this because my thoughts on this, because this exemption removes
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Speaker 1: the conditions under which the last major procurement scandal, which
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Speaker 1: was the COVID scandal, was uncovered, and the safeguards that
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Speaker 1: remain depend on the visibility that are removed in this
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Speaker 1: latest guidance. Charles, very very briefly, I don't know if
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Speaker 1: you've got any thoughts on this.
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Speaker 2: Well, I think you've You've articulated it perfectly. I mean,
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Speaker 2: the national security is becoming the best cover for absolutely
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Speaker 2: anything to a certain extent. In another area, we've seen
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Speaker 2: exactly this done with the climate change narrative. You can
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Speaker 2: just paint your broad brush over anything with climate and
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Speaker 2: I think national security has exactly the same capability in
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Speaker 2: terms of its power to drive the narrative through.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for that, Vanessa. Let's come to you neither
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Speaker 1: and well. Over the last couple of weeks, we've been
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Speaker 1: highlighting the drive in the United States to effectively merge
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Speaker 1: the US and Israeli military. And I'm not quite sure
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Speaker 1: exactly what stage that particular legislation is at, but it's
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Speaker 1: not stopping at the military level.
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Speaker 3: No, it definitely isn't, as I'll demonstrate later in this section.
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Speaker 3: But I just want to start with a report back
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Speaker 3: in early June, and this was regarding the Pentagon analysis
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Speaker 3: of the Israeli spy threat. As NDAA seeks deeper defense pie.
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Speaker 3: So at the same time, basically as members of Congress
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Speaker 3: in the US are pushing for deeper ties or a
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Speaker 3: merger from a military perspective, then at the same time,
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Speaker 3: the Pentagon is effectively determining that Israel is an adversary
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Speaker 3: from an intelligence perspective. And we can remember the latest
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Speaker 3: story about Jonathan Pollard, who stole a huge volume of
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Speaker 3: US state secrets. And then if we go on to
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Speaker 3: more recently, this is an article in Okay. So the
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Speaker 3: pens again, as I said, raised the threat of Israeli
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Speaker 3: spying on the US to the highest level. Sources say, now,
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Speaker 3: in direct opposition to that, let's have a look at
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Speaker 3: an article in Responsible state Craft. Again, they also broke
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Speaker 3: the story pretty much of the military merger between the
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Speaker 3: US and Israel. The Senate wants to force the US
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Speaker 3: to share sensitive intel with Israel. In the article itself,
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Speaker 3: it says very deep inside one hundred and ninety two
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Speaker 3: page Intelligence Authorization Biller, section six' two two Titled United
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Speaker 3: States Israel Intelligence Sharing. Enhancement this word enhancement appears quite
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Speaker 3: often in this. Report it would require The, president acting
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Speaker 3: through The director Of National intelligence and as, necessary The
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Speaker 3: secretary Of, defense to expand and enhance intelligence sharing with
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Speaker 3: the government Of. Israel, now this bill has been put
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Speaker 3: forward By Republican senator Of Arkansas Tom, cotton and let's
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Speaker 3: have a look at him and bring up the section
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Speaker 3: related to the bill that he's pushing. Through so, Again
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Speaker 3: Senator Tom, Cotton chairman Of Senate Intelligence, committee has advanced
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Speaker 3: provision in THE fy twenty twenty Seven Intelligence Authorization act
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Speaker 3: to expand and enhance intel sharing With israel across a
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Speaker 3: very broad. Spectrum The president would also be prevented from
22:38
Speaker 3: suspending or materially limiting intel. Sharing there would actually be
22:43
Speaker 3: a fairly lengthy process to Get congress to intervene and
22:47
Speaker 3: prevent the sharing of such. Intelligence, NOW i just want
22:50
Speaker 3: to play this very recent in the last nine hours
22:54
Speaker 3: audio recording From Senator cotton which demonstrates very clearly his.
23:00
Speaker 4: Sympathies BUT i agree most importantly with what The president
23:06
Speaker 4: said over the weekend that we're not going to Restrain
23:09
Speaker 4: israel from defending itself against a blood thirsty terrorist Cult
23:14
Speaker 4: hesbelah that has the blood Of americans on its hands as.
23:17
Speaker 4: Well iran is going to have to restrain its terrorist
23:20
Speaker 4: proxy if there is going to be any semblance of
23:23
Speaker 4: peace In. Lebanon, rememberhew this comes at a time when
23:26
Speaker 4: The president Of lebanon has traveled To washington and met
23:29
Speaker 4: With Secretary, rubio who's doing great work on this front as,
23:32
Speaker 4: well and said That hesbelah is Not, lebanon and it
23:35
Speaker 4: does not speak For. Lebanon it is a terrorist organization
23:39
Speaker 4: that has seized in part the reigns of power inside that.
23:43
Speaker 4: Country but The lebanese president, himself just LIKE i suspect
23:46
Speaker 4: most Normal, lebanese want their country. Back they don't want
23:50
Speaker 4: to be a cat's paw for a.
23:51
Speaker 3: Run so very clear, There Tom cotton is effectively Channeling
23:59
Speaker 3: zionist talking points On lubanon in. Particular this is a
24:03
Speaker 3: report from twenty. Eighteen if we can just bring this
24:06
Speaker 3: Up Tom, cotton what's the reason FOR? Apac and of
24:09
Speaker 3: COURSE apac represents The American Israeli Public Affairs, committee which
24:15
Speaker 3: is known to be funding many Of democratic And republican.
24:20
Speaker 3: Senators what's the reason FOR apax four point five million
24:24
Speaker 3: support for the young? Senator and from within that, article
24:28
Speaker 3: given the young age Of cotton compared with Other american
24:31
Speaker 3: politicians and his commitment To Tel, aviv The israeli authorities
24:34
Speaker 3: have tried to use him as an influential factor IN
24:37
Speaker 3: us domestic security and foreign. POLICY apac has always Named
24:41
Speaker 3: cotton as a trend making agent in its. Calculations The
24:45
Speaker 3: zionist lobby's recent attempts For cotton's presence as THE cia
24:48
Speaker 3: director can also be analyzed in the same. Vein and
24:52
Speaker 3: then if we bring this up from TRACK apac on,
24:55
Speaker 3: ACTS i recommend, sorry if we can go back to
24:58
Speaker 3: the first, lide thank. You if we look at twenty twenty,
25:03
Speaker 3: five he received almost one point two million in funding FROM,
25:08
Speaker 3: apac and in twenty twenty six to day again around
25:12
Speaker 3: one point one. Million and then BASICALLY i want to
25:18
Speaker 3: show this this was produced by an account ON x
25:22
Speaker 3: known as gen x. Girl she did a very in depth.
25:25
Speaker 3: Article you're going to have to freeze frame and go into,
25:28
Speaker 3: it but i'll read you out the actual acts and
25:30
Speaker 3: house resolutions that are going. Through so section sixty six,
25:34
Speaker 3: two THE Us Israel Intel Sharing Enhancement section two to,
25:39
Speaker 3: FOUR Us Israel Defense Tech Cooperation INITIATIVE hr seven five
25:45
Speaker 3: six OH Us Israel framework For Upgraded, Tech Unified research
25:50
Speaker 3: And Enhanced Security Futures ACT hr one two two, NINE
25:56
Speaker 3: Us Israel Defense Partnership act H reds one three three
26:00
Speaker 3: nine in support of The Netan yahoo initiative to transition
26:04
Speaker 3: THE Us israel relationship towards mutual defense cooperation of, course
26:10
Speaker 3: which has echoes of NATO's article Coming Mutual Defense. Pact
26:17
Speaker 3: then if we look at this, again is from THE
26:20
Speaker 3: apac tracker. Website so these are The democratic candidates for
26:26
Speaker 3: twenty twenty eight. Elections, again you can freeze frame and
26:30
Speaker 3: zoom in or go to the website. Itself there's a
26:33
Speaker 3: lot of information on. There these are The democratic candidates
26:36
Speaker 3: for the twenty twenty eight. Elections most of, them apart FROM,
26:41
Speaker 3: aoc are being funded BY apak to some degree or. Another,
26:46
Speaker 3: also if we look at the two Main republican Candidates
26:50
Speaker 3: Ted cruz and Sorry Ron DeSantis again certainly For Ted
26:57
Speaker 3: crew's one point four million IN apac. Funding and if
27:02
Speaker 3: you actually go to the website OF Apac, trekker they
27:06
Speaker 3: state that we're working to END apac in The israel
27:10
Speaker 3: lobby stranglehold On american, democracy as well as big money
27:13
Speaker 3: in politics as a. Whole we call FOR apac and
27:16
Speaker 3: other associated foreign lobbying groups to be forced to register
27:20
Speaker 3: with The department Of justice under The Foreign Agents Registration Act,
27:25
Speaker 3: farah and we call On congress to pass a constitutional
27:29
Speaker 3: amendment to overturn Citizens United SO i think this is
27:33
Speaker 3: a very important point and something we should discuss in
27:36
Speaker 3: extra to what degree are their checks and balances on
27:40
Speaker 3: the funding OF uk, politicians Both labor And tory And
27:45
Speaker 3: reform very much in sync with what is happening in
27:49
Speaker 3: The United. States and THEN i just wanted to remind
27:52
Speaker 3: people this isn't happening in a. Vacuum AT uk. Column
27:57
Speaker 3: back in twenty twenty, one we actually reported on the
28:00
Speaker 3: fact That israel was going to be moved to Join
28:03
Speaker 3: Scentcom The pentagon if we could just have this up
28:07
Speaker 3: on the, Screen The pentagon reported a change in The
28:11
Speaker 3: Unified Command plan Shifting israel FROM Us European command yukon
28:16
Speaker 3: TO Us Central command SENT, coom announcing the new areas of.
28:20
Speaker 3: Responsibility and of course this was very much in relation
28:23
Speaker 3: to The Abraham accords and the rising conflicts in The Middle.
28:29
Speaker 3: East so worrying times WHERE i think we're seeing effectively
28:34
Speaker 3: in The United states a real capture of all elements of, intelligence, cybersecurity,
28:41
Speaker 3: surveillance policing and military merger going, ahead and perhaps that
28:47
Speaker 3: will eventually also be mirrored very much in THE uk
28:51
Speaker 3: because we don't appear to be moving very much away
28:55
Speaker 3: from lockstep with The United.
28:57
Speaker 1: States of, course we must never, Forget vanessa that in
29:03
Speaker 1: parallel with that that you're talking about the government and defense,
29:06
Speaker 1: connections but in parallel with that we've got the civilian
29:10
Speaker 1: control of infrastructure with all The Unit eity two hundred
29:15
Speaker 1: alumni spawned tech. Companies.
29:19
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely and in fact that's probably more prevalent in
29:23
Speaker 3: THE uk from what we've been reporting.
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Speaker 1: come on to the issue of whether you're to be
31:00
Speaker 1: able to watch THE Uk column or any other kind
31:03
Speaker 1: of alternative media in the not to just in the,
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Speaker 1: future because Well starmer released he was until he. Resigned
31:13
Speaker 1: he has published proposals that are going to require social
31:16
Speaker 1: media and video sharing platforms push news from THE, BBC
31:20
Speaker 1: itv and other broadcasters right to the top of users.
31:24
Speaker 1: Feeds so this is all about narrative control and this
31:28
Speaker 1: is you, know in most cases the next step towards
31:35
Speaker 1: absolutely overt narrative. Control in the, Department apartment Of, Culture
31:38
Speaker 1: media And sport has released a green, Paper let's bring
31:41
Speaker 1: it on. Screen it's called watch This space And New
31:44
Speaker 1: Strategic direction FOR Uk media and that was published. Yesterday
31:49
Speaker 1: it opens a ten week consultation which runs until the
31:52
Speaker 1: thirty first Of. August and this is all about options
31:55
Speaker 1: to compel platforms to ensure that content from public service
31:59
Speaker 1: media and they specifically talk about THE, BBC, ITV, Stv channel,
32:04
Speaker 1: FOUR s FOUR c And channel five and other. Quotes
32:07
Speaker 1: trust for the trustworthy, providers they're going to make sure
32:11
Speaker 1: that that's prominent and easy to. Find, now ministers say
32:14
Speaker 1: that this is going to mean a, national local news
32:19
Speaker 1: publishers are going to appear at the top of feeds
32:21
Speaker 1: when users search for, news which they argue is key
32:25
Speaker 1: for helping to tackle misinformation and, disinformation particularly during times
32:30
Speaker 1: of social unrest or. Crisis now that is a key.
32:33
Speaker 1: Quote you saw it on screen a second, ago AND
32:36
Speaker 1: i would just ask do they know that there is
32:39
Speaker 1: a time of social unrest or crisis coming or could
32:41
Speaker 1: it be that they're engineering? It but, anyway by the,
32:44
Speaker 1: way if you want to know how they might possibly
32:47
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Speaker 1: particularly the use of behavioral psychology to change people's minds
33:01
Speaker 1: at population. Level but, anyway the paper itself just come
33:04
Speaker 1: back to this sketches out a three stage escalation as
33:08
Speaker 1: how they describe. It and so this is A dcms
33:11
Speaker 1: Minister Ian, murray and he indicated that government would first
33:15
Speaker 1: ask platforms to act, voluntarily then move towards, regulation and if,
33:20
Speaker 1: necessary they would move towards. Legislation so the definition of
33:25
Speaker 1: who counts as a trustworthy, provider of course is left.
33:29
Speaker 1: Open it's the same in The Online Safety, act And
33:32
Speaker 1: murray suggested that the category could stretch to individual pieces
33:35
Speaker 1: of contact content, sorry suggesting that parts of YouTube might
33:41
Speaker 1: be designated in order to allow you make sure that
33:44
Speaker 1: that type of content is. Promoted Now culture Sectory Lisa
33:49
Speaker 1: nandy then suggested that the reforms are a defense of democratic.
33:54
Speaker 1: Resilience she said it was vital that regulated public service
33:57
Speaker 1: media is seen and heard in the fair battle against
34:00
Speaker 1: miss and, disinformation and this is of course as audiences move. Online,
34:06
Speaker 1: now the, industry the media, industry the mainstream corporate media
34:10
Speaker 1: industry at, least has welcomed this. Broadly the chief executive
34:16
Speaker 1: of I, Tv carolyn, McColl said that the paper would
34:18
Speaker 1: help public service broadcasters continue to serve the public interest through,
34:22
Speaker 1: trusted high quality and accessible, content trying not to laugh
34:25
Speaker 1: too much while underpinning the wider creative. Economy and then OUR,
34:31
Speaker 1: kieva who operates the UK's terrestrial transmit broadcasting, network they
34:37
Speaker 1: welcomed the publication and they said that its constant proposal
34:41
Speaker 1: for a phase transition to twenty forty four that preserves
34:46
Speaker 1: broadcasts alongside international Sorry internet delivery is. Key then we
34:52
Speaker 1: had the likes Of, demos the often mentioned think. Tank
34:56
Speaker 1: they have absolutely backed the idea of extending prominence to
35:01
Speaker 1: include social media, platforms and then their associate, Director Azurah
35:06
Speaker 1: moors has said that it's a critical step towards strengthening
35:10
Speaker 1: the information. Environment then we had The Good Things, foundation
35:14
Speaker 1: a digital inclusion. Charity they were saying that no one
35:18
Speaker 1: has left. Behind they want to make sure that no
35:20
Speaker 1: one is left. Behind but they were warning about the
35:24
Speaker 1: move to online ONLY, tv and of course the move
35:26
Speaker 1: to online ONLY tv is expected to HAPPEN i believe
35:31
Speaker 1: by twenty thirty. Four but then we had The News
35:35
Speaker 1: Media association asking who? Decides so they were warning that
35:40
Speaker 1: the emphasis on public service broadcasters risks obscuring the journalism
35:44
Speaker 1: produced by independent. Publishers and so their chairman on screen
35:48
Speaker 1: at the, moment That's Lord black Of. Brentwood he said
35:51
Speaker 1: that a healthy democracy depends on wide range of voices
35:55
Speaker 1: and a plural. Media so it's not everybody that's absolutely
35:58
Speaker 1: getting behind. This and well then here's another example of
36:03
Speaker 1: someone who. Isn't this Is Michael savage and he was
36:08
Speaker 1: speaking to The guardian basically saying that the central problem
36:12
Speaker 1: is identifying who knts as a trustworthy provider and who
36:15
Speaker 1: decides who the trustworthy dividers and trustworthy voices. Are and
36:21
Speaker 1: then the other normal voices Like Toby young and so
36:24
Speaker 1: on were commenting on, this he had to say that
36:28
Speaker 1: The starmer had apparently decided that censoring social media should
36:32
Speaker 1: be his. Legacy so that's the situation, now of, course
36:36
Speaker 1: where this stands at the. Moment Since starmer resigned on
36:40
Speaker 1: the same day or within a few hours of this being,
36:42
Speaker 1: published it certainly puts this right in the hands Of,
36:46
Speaker 1: burnham assuming he becomes the Next Prime, minister AND i
36:50
Speaker 1: don't imagine for one second that he's going to change
36:52
Speaker 1: the direction of this in any. Way but if we
36:55
Speaker 1: just bring the consultation on screen there that, closes AS
36:57
Speaker 1: i mentioned in ten weeks time on the thirty first Of,
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Speaker 1: august and the link will be in the show. NOTES
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Speaker 1: i think that's two segments. Today charles were POTENTIALLY Uk
37:11
Speaker 1: colm or organizations LIKE uk column would be.
37:14
Speaker 2: TARGETED i think that's an absolutely a fair assumption to.
37:19
Speaker 2: Make and in, fact whilst you were just reporting, THAT
37:22
Speaker 2: i was thinking back to the debate in The house
37:24
Speaker 2: Of lords THAT i was reading through on the state,
37:27
Speaker 2: threat because it was very very clear that they were
37:30
Speaker 2: all speaking in relation to a very much curated. Narrative
37:33
Speaker 2: and of course the bit THAT i didn't mention but
37:35
Speaker 2: had previously was THE jtac increase of the threat level
37:40
Speaker 2: from substantial to, severe and that was although they said
37:43
Speaker 2: it wasn't, exclusive that was very much based on this
37:45
Speaker 2: idea that there was an Anti semitic attack In Golder's green
37:49
Speaker 2: and one, wonders if you sort of put it the
37:51
Speaker 2: other way about how on earth they would have justified
37:53
Speaker 2: increasing the threat level if there had not been such an.
37:56
Speaker 2: Incident and this exactly demonstrates how caning and curating the
38:01
Speaker 2: narrative is so terrifically. Important.
38:05
Speaker 1: No vanessa's already asked the question About israel's influence On british.
38:10
Speaker 1: POLITICS i think you have a bit more on THAT.
38:14
Speaker 4: I.
38:14
Speaker 2: Do, YES i, MEAN i don't want to spoil the,
38:17
Speaker 2: surprise but considerable would be the word to use if
38:22
Speaker 2: one is to put it. Conservatively this relates to a,
38:25
Speaker 2: petition and we've talked again about yet another thing obscured
38:28
Speaker 2: by The Starmer burnham, shenanigans but a petition that garnered
38:33
Speaker 2: over one hundred thousand signatures and therefore was eligible for
38:35
Speaker 2: a parliamentary, debate was indeed debated In Westminster hall On
38:39
Speaker 2: monday twenty. Second and What i'm going to do is
38:42
Speaker 2: read out the text from the petition in order you
38:46
Speaker 2: can make your mind up as to what it does
38:48
Speaker 2: say and what it doesn't. Say so it starts off
38:53
Speaker 2: by saying we are concerned about Reported israeli state linked
38:58
Speaker 2: and Pro israel lobbying activity IN uk. Politics i've put
39:01
Speaker 2: that in, bold not the starter of a. Petition we
39:04
Speaker 2: believe it is important to determine the scope and impact
39:08
Speaker 2: of any such influenced. Campaigns we feel that the horrific
39:12
Speaker 2: devastation In, gaza the ongoing suppression of The palestinians in
39:15
Speaker 2: The West, bank and the UK's political response underline the
39:19
Speaker 2: urgent need to scrutinize how Pro israel, organizations networks and
39:24
Speaker 2: lobbying efforts may shape government, decisions party policy and public.
39:30
Speaker 2: Debate now you will have noticed that there was no
39:35
Speaker 2: reference in the entirety of that piece there that referenced Either,
39:43
Speaker 2: Judaism jewish, people or anything pertaining To. Jews, however you
39:51
Speaker 2: will not be surprised to learn that the response to
39:55
Speaker 2: it has absolutely been one of outrage in the suggestion
40:02
Speaker 2: that this was in effect an Anti semitic act and.
40:06
Speaker 2: Petition and there is a link amazingly on the petition
40:10
Speaker 2: website to an objection made by the Jew Jewish Leadership
40:14
Speaker 2: council who asked the petition's committee to reject the petition
40:18
Speaker 2: on the grounds that it was defamatory and contained false
40:22
Speaker 2: or unproven statements which would be against the committee's rules for.
40:26
Speaker 2: Petitions it also said the petition drew on Anti semitic. Tropes,
40:31
Speaker 2: now this was something that was a persistent theme through the,
40:34
Speaker 2: debate which will come on. To but it was notable
40:36
Speaker 2: That Andrew, mitchell The CONSERVATIVE, mp made a very early
40:40
Speaker 2: intervention in order to effectively say the same, thing and
40:44
Speaker 2: was told that he may take the matter to the
40:47
Speaker 2: chair of the petition's. Committee but of, course unfortunately for,
40:50
Speaker 2: him the chair of the petition's committee Is Jamie STONE,
40:54
Speaker 2: mp and on the website where you can ask is
40:58
Speaker 2: MY mp a war, criminal he has reckoned to be
41:01
Speaker 2: likely Pro. Palestinian SO i think one can bet That
41:04
Speaker 2: mitchell wouldn't have actually taken that any. Further but WHAT
41:07
Speaker 2: i want to do now show a succession of videos
41:09
Speaker 2: just to articulate the willful demolition of the democratic process
41:14
Speaker 2: and how absolutely unfit this whole charade was for examining
41:20
Speaker 2: the issue at. Hands so we'll start with the idea
41:22
Speaker 2: of there being interests from within and without.
41:28
Speaker 7: The privilege of freedom of speech in a debate allows
41:32
Speaker 7: us to conduct our debates without fear of outside. Interference
41:36
Speaker 7: but it is a freedom which should be exercised responsibly
41:41
Speaker 7: in the public interest and check into account the interest
41:44
Speaker 7: of others outside of This.
41:46
Speaker 8: House members to my register of, interest AND i must
41:51
Speaker 8: just briefly declaim my interests as a co chair with
41:53
Speaker 8: a member For burst And edmonds of The All Party
41:56
Speaker 8: Parliamentary group for Bish.
41:57
Speaker 7: DUITES i also refer members and The house to my
41:59
Speaker 7: declaration of.
42:00
Speaker 9: Interests BUT i take no pleasure whatsoever in speaking of
42:04
Speaker 9: this debate with its manipulative, title which fits The International
42:10
Speaker 9: Holocaust Remembrance alliance a definition of Anti. Semitism As Lord
42:14
Speaker 9: pickles has clearly, stated.
42:16
Speaker 10: NOW i must register my.
42:17
Speaker 9: INTERESTS i, am of course A JEWISH, MP i think
42:19
Speaker 9: perhaps the Only JEWISH mp here this, AFTERNOON a member
42:22
Speaker 9: of The Labor friends Of israeli App chief Of British
42:25
Speaker 9: jews and a representative on The board Of deputies Of British.
42:27
Speaker 8: Jews it's a pleasure to serve under your, chair AND
42:32
Speaker 8: i bring honorable friends to the attention of my register of.
42:37
Speaker 2: Interest so as you can, see there were not very
42:44
Speaker 2: many people. There if you're unable to view the screen
42:47
Speaker 2: that was In Westminster, hall there weren't very many people.
42:49
Speaker 2: There almost everybody that did speak had some sort of
42:53
Speaker 2: interest to. Register so WHEN i talk about the subversion
42:56
Speaker 2: of the democratic, PROCESS i really do mean. It the
42:58
Speaker 2: first person we've heard there registering his interest Was John,
43:02
Speaker 2: lammont who was actually meant to be leading the. Debate
43:04
Speaker 2: and Whilst i'm not suggesting that he had to agree
43:07
Speaker 2: with what was written down in the, petition he should
43:10
Speaker 2: at least represent it. Correctly but he absolutely failed to
43:13
Speaker 2: do so by mischaracterizing it as being an Anti semitic, attack,
43:17
Speaker 2: which as you now know Because i've read the text to,
43:20
Speaker 2: you it's absolutely not the. Case it therefore fell to
43:24
Speaker 2: the members Of parliament that were there who were from
43:28
Speaker 2: at least originally a different ethnic or religious. Background so
43:32
Speaker 2: we will just hear one argument from AN mp who
43:36
Speaker 2: was at least sticking to what was put out in the.
43:39
Speaker 2: Petition and we hear From Obe khan.
43:45
Speaker 10: Not about The jewish. Community it's about the state Of,
43:49
Speaker 10: israel AND i think we must be careful in our
43:52
Speaker 10: words and ensure that we don't conflate the. Two, now
43:54
Speaker 10: for the two years this government has supported the state
43:57
Speaker 10: Of israel through the unimaginable genocide In, guards illegal settlement
44:01
Speaker 10: building in the Occupied West, bank and even with the
44:05
Speaker 10: war In.
44:05
Speaker 4: Iran it is.
44:07
Speaker 10: Also said that the power of a lobby group is
44:08
Speaker 10: measured by how far a government can be pushed beyond
44:12
Speaker 10: the limits of, policymaking AND i think it's fair to
44:15
Speaker 10: say that for millions up and down this, country the
44:18
Speaker 10: government's approach Towards israel has defied the most basic logic
44:24
Speaker 10: justice and. Humanity continued up armed sales amid mass, extermination
44:30
Speaker 10: the weaponization of, terrorism lord silent, dissent the welcoming up
44:35
Speaker 10: wanted war criminals on the steps of Ten Downing street
44:39
Speaker 10: with every decision this government has. Made it's not only
44:42
Speaker 10: reasonable to ask questions about political influence In, britain it's.
44:46
Speaker 10: Necessary AS i, say it's not About jewish, communities it's
44:50
Speaker 10: not About jewish, identity and it's not about denying anyone
44:54
Speaker 10: the right to advocate For, Israel palestine or any other. State,
44:58
Speaker 10: lobbying in, fact is part of our. Democracy but when
45:02
Speaker 10: such practices become, shrouded shrouded in secrecy while shifting huge
45:07
Speaker 10: sums of, money we must ask is this government truly
45:11
Speaker 10: committed to cleansing our politics of foreign influence or is
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Speaker 10: it just concerned with blocking the foreign Donations they don't.
45:18
Speaker 2: Get words that fell upon completely deaf. Ears i've put
45:25
Speaker 2: a link to the full debate in the show notes
45:27
Speaker 2: and it is worth. Watching but one of the refrains
45:30
Speaker 2: that persisted throughout That israel was being singled, out and
45:35
Speaker 2: it was almost as though there was apt a regard
45:39
Speaker 2: given to why that might be the. Case Now i've
45:41
Speaker 2: got up here From Itamar Ben, gavier The National Security,
45:44
Speaker 2: minister which he put out last, week AND i just
45:47
Speaker 2: quote a couple of things from it's called long post
45:50
Speaker 2: for every tier of An israeli, mother a Thousand lebanese
45:53
Speaker 2: mothers must, weep all Of lebanon must, Burn and he
45:57
Speaker 2: closed the tweet out with in The Middle, east you
45:58
Speaker 2: don't win with measure responses and restraint you need to
46:02
Speaker 2: go berserk to, obliterate to crush the terror that is
46:06
Speaker 2: from the Serving National Security minister Of. Israel and this
46:10
Speaker 2: was a point absolutely not conceded at all by those
46:14
Speaker 2: on the this is Anti semitism side of this. Debate
46:19
Speaker 2: So i'll now just share a brief video of how
46:21
Speaker 2: it closed out With John, lammon but in particular the
46:23
Speaker 2: audio is not, great but listen to What Richard tice
46:26
Speaker 2: had to say as he.
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Speaker 8: INTERRUPTED i think The parliament has demonstrated that we have
46:32
Speaker 8: seen through this petition for what it, is and we
46:34
Speaker 8: are not comfortable with. It we don't like, it AND
46:36
Speaker 8: i have to have to say it's astonishing that some
46:39
Speaker 8: of the views that have been, expressed AS i, say
46:40
Speaker 8: a by a minority of honorable members did frankly amount
46:44
Speaker 8: to expressing Anti semity views which WHICH i have found,
46:48
Speaker 8: deeply deeply. Uncomfortable and this is what we as legislators
46:53
Speaker 8: need to call. Out it's the only way we're going
46:54
Speaker 8: to stamp out Anti. SEMITISM i can actually The, minister
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Speaker 8: The Shadow, minister The libdems spokesperson for their strong words on.
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Speaker 11: This, Yes i'm most grateful having debated this auling motion
47:08
Speaker 11: is there a minimum time frame before we have to debate.
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Speaker 6: It, Again.
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Speaker 2: Tice strenuously attempting to kick this into the long grass.
47:20
Speaker 2: Forever in, EFFECT i think objectively that that debate was
47:24
Speaker 2: an absolute disgrace and a very pitiful reflection of the
47:28
Speaker 2: democracy that the voting public should come to. Expect now
47:32
Speaker 2: what the government, said which will not surprise you at,
47:34
Speaker 2: All i'm just going to put on screen now their
47:36
Speaker 2: closing remarks, were or at least the response to the.
47:38
Speaker 2: Petition the government does not support a public, inquiry but
47:42
Speaker 2: takes the issue of foreign influence from any country and
47:46
Speaker 2: lobbying IN uk politics very seriously and is already taking
47:51
Speaker 2: action to address. This now we've given this an OFFICIAL
47:55
Speaker 2: uk column rating with regard to its, hypocrisy and its
47:59
Speaker 2: scored eleven out of.
48:01
Speaker 1: Ten, Yes, charles thank, you, yes thank you very much for. That, Absolutely,
48:07
Speaker 1: vanessa let's come over to you now and some news From. Lebanon,
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Speaker 1: YES i.
48:17
Speaker 3: Mean we, entered of, course a very shaky. Ceasefire BUT
48:22
Speaker 3: i wanted to draw attention to The israeli killing of a.
48:26
Speaker 3: Conservationist she's in her seventies in Southern, Lebanon Mona, khalil
48:33
Speaker 3: who dedicated years to protecting the endangered sea turtles Along
48:37
Speaker 3: lebanon's southern. Coast her Beachfront Orange house became a symbol
48:43
Speaker 3: of conservation efforts and if we actually just watched this
48:48
Speaker 3: short report from a local media channel that did a
48:52
Speaker 3: summary of her work In.
48:54
Speaker 6: Lebanon lebanon is Morning Mona, khalil the, conservationist environmental, activist
49:01
Speaker 6: and defender of life itself who was martyred after spending
49:04
Speaker 6: weeks and intensive care following An israeli aggression on her
49:07
Speaker 6: home in the village Of almonsourre In South. Lebanon she
49:10
Speaker 6: was seventy six years. Old for more than two, Decades
49:12
Speaker 6: muna dedicated her life to protecting endangered loggerhead and green
49:16
Speaker 6: sea turtles nesting Along lebanon's southern. Coast after returning from
49:19
Speaker 6: exile in The netherlands in nineteen ninety, nine a chance
49:22
Speaker 6: encounter with a sea turtle laying eggs on the beach
49:24
Speaker 6: changed her life, forever and she found her. Meaning she
49:27
Speaker 6: founded The Orange House, project transforming her family's land into
49:30
Speaker 6: a sanctuary for, wildlife volunteers and future. Generations franz and
49:35
Speaker 6: former volunteers described her as more than a. Mentor muna
49:38
Speaker 6: became our, mother one longtime collaborator. Said others recalled how
49:41
Speaker 6: she treated young conservationists like her own, children inspiring an
49:45
Speaker 6: entire generation to Protect lebanon's natural. Heritage muna had survived
49:49
Speaker 6: war before her home was damaged during The israel occupations
49:52
Speaker 6: two thousand and six Warn, Lebanon yet she refused to
49:54
Speaker 6: abandon the beach she, Loved she hated the. City she
49:57
Speaker 6: preferred to stay Under israeli bombing in the south then
50:00
Speaker 6: be forcibly displeased to be.
50:05
Speaker 3: SO i, mean it's really a case of mass mourning
50:09
Speaker 3: for her In. Lbanon and also just the fact that
50:14
Speaker 3: why on Earth israel knew exactly what The Orange house,
50:18
Speaker 3: was they knew who they were. Targeting and As Marua
50:22
Speaker 3: Osman lebanese journalists, said the murder Of monachaliel sends a chilling.
50:27
Speaker 3: Message even those whose only weapon is, compassion whose only
50:31
Speaker 3: mission is, preservation are not. Spared and then we HAVE
50:35
Speaker 3: i Said sir hal from The Lebanon Nature Protection society OR,
50:42
Speaker 3: sorry who also, said there are people who work for
50:45
Speaker 3: the protection of, nature and there are people who themselves
50:48
Speaker 3: become the embodiment of this. Protection monakhelil was one of
50:52
Speaker 3: those rare individuals whose, life soul and existence became insuperable
50:58
Speaker 3: from the cause they had devote to themselves. Too and
51:03
Speaker 3: AS i, said we're now entering a very shaky. Ceasefire
51:07
Speaker 3: this is a video if we play it now And
51:10
Speaker 3: i'll just talk. Through so this is From almanar's correspondent
51:14
Speaker 3: in the south Is rady occupation. Forces this is. Yesterday
51:18
Speaker 3: so while the ceasefire is allegedly in, place open fire
51:22
Speaker 3: on civil defense teams and on civilians in various areas
51:27
Speaker 3: of Southern, lebanon injuring and. Killing there have also been
51:33
Speaker 3: continued drone, flights particularly Over, beirut but also the south
51:39
Speaker 3: over the city Of tire and ongoing. Assassinations And i'll
51:44
Speaker 3: bring back the Journalist, hadihutite who was actually targeted By
51:48
Speaker 3: israel very. Recently we showed that last. Week here he
51:52
Speaker 3: is back In nabatir and reporting on what he's seeing.
51:56
Speaker 12: There right, now these raies are still, inside are, known
52:02
Speaker 12: but they are not. Visible are still Inside Fortive need
52:05
Speaker 12: but they are not. Visible and right now also the,
52:09
Speaker 12: drones The israeli drones are still hovering Above Noble tree
52:12
Speaker 12: area Above saida And chuuf and Even, beirut which means
52:17
Speaker 12: that they are still gathering information and they are still
52:22
Speaker 12: thinking that at any moment when the war might open,
52:27
Speaker 12: again they will have another bank of target to attack
52:31
Speaker 12: and will have witnessed what does their bank of target.
52:35
Speaker 12: Includes it includes, families, children, women and civilians inside their.
52:44
Speaker 12: Homes this is what they understand regarding conducting, warfare killing
52:50
Speaker 12: people inside their houses as a selective punishment for the
52:54
Speaker 12: community of the, resistance to make the people of the
52:57
Speaker 12: resistance pay for that resistance refusing to accept the humiliation
53:04
Speaker 12: for its.
53:04
Speaker 11: People and.
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Speaker 3: Just, finally some statistics for people to understand the level
53:13
Speaker 3: of damage in The. South eleven thousand and ninety five
53:17
Speaker 3: buildings completely, destroyed three point one million cubic meters of,
53:23
Speaker 3: rubble one point three eight billion damage. Cost now THAT
53:29
Speaker 3: i think is a conservative, number but we'll. SEE i
53:34
Speaker 3: honestly don't think that the ceasefire is going to, hold
53:38
Speaker 3: but we'll wait and.
53:39
Speaker 1: See, yes thank you for, That. Vanessa charles's come back
53:43
Speaker 1: to you, then and, well over the last couple of
53:47
Speaker 1: weeks we've been talking about the increasing pressure on livestock
53:51
Speaker 1: in THE. Uk so what's happening with respect TO.
53:55
Speaker 2: Tb what destruction of a different, kind or at least
54:00
Speaker 2: so it. Looks And i'll explain why there's yet another
54:03
Speaker 2: bovine tuberculosis strategy come from the. Government and as we
54:07
Speaker 2: see on, screen now we are told that this is
54:11
Speaker 2: coming from experts who recommend a new science laird approach
54:15
Speaker 2: aiming to protect farmers and reduce. Infection that the statement
54:18
Speaker 2: goes on to say that an independent steering group of, farmers,
54:21
Speaker 2: scientists veterinarians and ACADEMICS ha was canvened BY defra and
54:25
Speaker 2: they're apparently going to conduct activities that strengthen cattle, controls improve,
54:30
Speaker 2: surveillance enhance testing and of course. Vactination now this is
54:35
Speaker 2: a very divisive, issue not least because of the suggestion
54:37
Speaker 2: that badgers may PASS tb to cattle and or vice,
54:42
Speaker 2: versa as well as. Deer and there is a very
54:45
Speaker 2: controversial cull or at least the government saying that they're
54:49
Speaker 2: going to step back from. Culling of, course many farmers
54:53
Speaker 2: certainly involved in illicit or unlawful culing activity as. Well
54:58
Speaker 2: so it's a very divisive. Issue the reason THAT i
55:01
Speaker 2: want to talk about it today is not least because
55:02
Speaker 2: of this, strategy BUT i THINK i think the public
55:04
Speaker 2: should have a better idea of the so called science
55:07
Speaker 2: behind this and how it actually. Manifests i'm going to
55:09
Speaker 2: show a couple of clips from a program That Jeremy
55:12
Speaker 2: clarkson putting out over the a few years Called Clarkson's.
55:15
Speaker 2: Farm this is from a recent, episode And i'm just
55:17
Speaker 2: showing you the process of testing FOR.
55:19
Speaker 11: TB sam kicked off by reminding us about our CURRENT tb.
55:25
Speaker 13: Stranglehold if she goes today and the rest of the,
55:29
Speaker 13: herder we have be tested again in a month's time
55:32
Speaker 13: and then probably again six days. Later so you're farms
55:35
Speaker 13: and restrictions until that.
55:36
Speaker 11: POINT i believe the test is a bit. Haphazard for what?
55:41
Speaker 11: Reason have you got those tweezers on? You, yeah so
55:45
Speaker 11: you're going to? Lump this is what you. Do there's
55:48
Speaker 11: a lump on the cow's, neck and you walk up
55:52
Speaker 11: to it and you squeeze. It, yeah and then it
55:54
Speaker 11: tells you how big the lump is because there's a
55:57
Speaker 11: measuring bit. Here but if you pull it down hard
56:01
Speaker 11: or not, hard you get a different. Reading and the
56:04
Speaker 11: cow's doing this while you're trying to do. It and
56:07
Speaker 11: then you just, go, well there's and there's only need
56:09
Speaker 11: to be a millimeter in. It we have to lose a,
56:12
Speaker 11: cow shut the whole farm, down and that is how it's.
56:16
Speaker 11: Measured she's a very very pretty cow and pregnant with.
56:19
Speaker 13: Twins how far pregnantorship.
56:23
Speaker 11: Five? Months when will we? Know in about one? Minute?
56:28
Speaker 4: Oh god's.
56:33
Speaker 6: Good, girl good, Girl.
56:37
Speaker 11: And look at.
56:38
Speaker 2: Chart SO i think it's first to say That Jeremy
56:48
Speaker 2: clarkson is not making it up. There he's identifying something
56:50
Speaker 2: very simple but entirely, logical and effectively throwing this idea
56:55
Speaker 2: that this is science led sort of back in the government's.
56:58
Speaker 2: Faces the other element to point, out which is very
57:02
Speaker 2: important and applies to all the ways in which government
57:04
Speaker 2: looks at so called animal diseases or indeed anything that
57:07
Speaker 2: has a sort of zoootic label attached to, it is
57:10
Speaker 2: that no regard is ever given to the environmental conditions
57:13
Speaker 2: that animal has been, in or indeed whether it might, recover,
57:15
Speaker 2: which of, course how can FROM. Tb will now look
57:19
Speaker 2: at the remainder of the clip to see what.
57:22
Speaker 13: Happened So i've remeasured both lumps, today or both top and?
57:30
Speaker 13: Bottom is this last?
57:31
Speaker 11: Time?
57:32
Speaker 13: Yeah last time here seven and, nine seven, milimeters nine.
57:35
Speaker 13: Milimeters this time it's eleven milimeters and forty. Milimeters SO
57:38
Speaker 13: i look at my.
57:39
Speaker 9: Chart she is.
57:46
Speaker 13: She's ir, again.
57:49
Speaker 12: What or?
57:51
Speaker 11: Something?
57:53
Speaker 13: Sorry inconclusive?
57:54
Speaker 11: Again she stays in the.
57:55
Speaker 2: Vine, No, no that that means that she's gonna have
58:01
Speaker 2: to go because she's effectively inconclusive.
58:04
Speaker 11: Twice, yeah is that?
58:06
Speaker 13: Absolutely, yeah she's inconclusive, Twice so she's.
58:10
Speaker 11: Even though she's.
58:11
Speaker 13: Inconclusive, yeah she's treated reactors to the problem you've got with.
58:16
Speaker 11: That is, LIKE i don't understand any of these. Rules
58:19
Speaker 11: that seems to me like a hung. Jewelry you, know
58:23
Speaker 11: it's six and six and then the judge, goes that's,
58:26
Speaker 11: inconclusive so we're going to execute. You that's exactly what's happening.
58:30
Speaker 6: Here CAN i ask you a, Question can we keep
58:34
Speaker 6: her in here.
58:35
Speaker 3: Until she has her?
58:36
Speaker 4: Calves and will the calves HAVE?
58:38
Speaker 10: Tv it's a good.
58:39
Speaker 11: Question.
58:40
Speaker 13: Yeah the part of IS i asked how pregnant she.
58:41
Speaker 13: Was if she was in the last, MONTH i think
58:43
Speaker 13: they give the option of keeping her calving down, here
58:46
Speaker 13: but she's only five months. Pregnant they will take her
58:50
Speaker 13: for slaughter.
58:51
Speaker 11: Here, Seriously Jesus, Christ why do people? Farm? Why all?
59:08
Speaker 2: Right i've certainly got nothing to add To clarkson's, comments
59:15
Speaker 2: BUT i would ask you to consider whether you think
59:17
Speaker 2: that what you saw is either proportionate or, necessary or indeed,
59:23
Speaker 2: scientific which leads one to what it is THAT dephra
59:27
Speaker 2: might be considered to be doing in putting forward a
59:31
Speaker 2: policy like. This so we'll just put this on, screen
59:34
Speaker 2: which is SOMETHING uk column has talked about quite a.
59:37
Speaker 2: Lot Ben rubin in particular posiwid this is the suggestion
59:41
Speaker 2: that the purpose of a system is what it, does
59:44
Speaker 2: and there is absolutely no doubt that the way in
59:46
Speaker 2: which the government deals with tuberculosis is simply to reduce livestock. Numbers,
59:52
Speaker 2: now on a very much related, theme and just in passing,
59:55
Speaker 2: REALLY i heard From Joe, lovemore who you'll remember was
59:57
Speaker 2: on the show a couple of weeks, ago a friend
1:00:00
Speaker 2: of The Dartmoor Hill, pony and she tells me that
1:00:02
Speaker 2: since we first reported on, it the number of signatures
1:00:05
Speaker 2: on the petition that she was talking about has now
1:00:09
Speaker 2: cleared two thousand, mark, sorry two hundred thousand. Mark and
1:00:13
Speaker 2: this is extremely significant AND i think this should absolutely
1:00:16
Speaker 2: be regarded in the same view as what we're seeing
1:00:19
Speaker 2: WITH tb because this is a push to get animals
1:00:22
Speaker 2: off the, landscape and what the Hill pony petition demonstrates
1:00:26
Speaker 2: is that there is significant public pushback and government agencies
1:00:29
Speaker 2: are absolutely forced to. React SO defra And Natural england
1:00:33
Speaker 2: are now having to respond to. This SO i really
1:00:35
Speaker 2: do encourage you to apply pressure where you.
1:00:37
Speaker 1: Can thank you.
1:00:40
Speaker 10: For, That.
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Speaker 1: CHARLES i just say this is another example of slaughtered on,
1:00:44
Speaker 1: suspicion it seems to. Me and if you haven't seen
1:00:47
Speaker 1: our documentary on the two thousand and one food in both,
1:00:51
Speaker 1: travesty it's on THE Uk come. Website just have a
1:00:54
Speaker 1: look for slaughtered On. Suspicion now let's just finish with
1:00:59
Speaker 1: a report. Now the imprisonment of FORMER dup Leader Jeffrey
1:01:04
Speaker 1: donaldson In Northern ireland for child abuse including rip has
1:01:08
Speaker 1: resulted in sub rapid. Responses as many of you will,
1:01:12
Speaker 1: know it's common in certain areas Of belfast for political
1:01:15
Speaker 1: commentary to appear on the gable ends of terrascet streets
1:01:19
Speaker 1: in the form of. Murals well apparently this appeared very
1:01:23
Speaker 1: quickly Following donaldson being sent. Down if we can just
1:01:26
Speaker 1: put it on screen and of, course, well of course
1:01:30
Speaker 1: this IS ai generated but it was said to me
1:01:32
Speaker 1: by my sister yesterday and WHEN i, said, well this isn't,
1:01:34
Speaker 1: real she said give it. Time And i'd very much
1:01:37
Speaker 1: like to see that because we should never forget that
1:01:40
Speaker 1: the abuse of children sits at the very heart of
1:01:43
Speaker 1: The british, establishment and we should remember That donaldson Had
1:01:47
Speaker 1: Enoch paul as a, mentor And paul had many questions
1:01:51
Speaker 1: to answer himself on this, score including not only the
1:01:55
Speaker 1: so called vip pow ring Around, parliament but also with
1:01:59
Speaker 1: respect To concora In. Belfast so, anyway he's now in
1:02:04
Speaker 1: prison and the response has been doing the rounds on
1:02:08
Speaker 1: social media and just right, too so we will talk
1:02:12
Speaker 1: about more about this and nextra maybe as. WELL i
1:02:15
Speaker 1: would say thank you very much for everybody it's joined us.
1:02:17
Speaker 1: Today thank you To charles And vanessa and to our guest.
1:02:20
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