Latest / The David Rubenstein Show / José Andrés
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- 0:03Speaker 1: Jose Andres is one of the world's greatest chefs and
- 0:06Speaker 1: also one of the world's greatest humanitarians. Jose Andre's owns
- 0:09Speaker 1: and operates thirty restaurants around the country and started the
- 0:12Speaker 1: World Central Kitchen, which helps feed people in times of crisis.
- 0:17Speaker 1: On this episode, appear to Pear I sit down with
- 0:19Speaker 1: Jose in my kitchen to discuss his transition from chef
- 0:22Speaker 1: to humanitarian, how his organization is feeding people around the world,
- 0:26Speaker 1: and policies he hopes the Biden administration will adopt to
- 0:29Speaker 1: end the hunger crisis in America. Jose, thank you very
- 0:32Speaker 1: much for coming to my house in Bethesda and to
- 0:34Speaker 1: my kitchen. Thank you for having me. It's an or
- 0:37Speaker 1: to be here, really, So let's talk about your background
- 0:41Speaker 1: and what you're doing, which is quite extraordinary. But to
- 0:43Speaker 1: give people a sense of it, you are Spanish by birth,
- 0:47Speaker 1: and you came to the United States originally with the
- 0:50Speaker 1: Spanish Navy, Is that right? Yeah? First time? Well in
- 0:54Speaker 1: his Spain, the military, he's mandatory. Back in today's was
- 0:58Speaker 1: a dream of mine to beyond the navy. Uh. They
- 1:02Speaker 1: put me to cook for the Admiral of Spain. Why
- 1:05Speaker 1: because I already was young cook with talent. I already
- 1:09Speaker 1: was champion of Spain of young cooks. Really, you've already
- 1:12Speaker 1: had a background. Yeah, I began working in kitchens when
- 1:15Speaker 1: I was fourteen, very much fourteen fifteen. So in the military,
- 1:18Speaker 1: all of the southern admiral. But I'm like, sir, I
- 1:21Speaker 1: don't want to cook for you, with all the respect,
- 1:24Speaker 1: But what are you saying, this is the best position
- 1:26Speaker 1: in the navy. No, I want to go on a boat.
- 1:29Speaker 1: This boat I came to America and I traveled around
- 1:32Speaker 1: the wall was a tall ship, the Juce. He was
- 1:35Speaker 1: ten velcano, the training ship for the misshipment Foremast. It
- 1:39Speaker 1: changed my life because on that boat, six months on
- 1:43Speaker 1: the ocean, I learned the meaning of teamwork. I arrived
- 1:47Speaker 1: to Pensacola, Florida, and then I arrived to New York.
- 1:51Speaker 1: Can't you believe that thirty years ago with that ship,
- 1:55Speaker 1: I dock on the West Side in Manhattan on fairlieth Street.
- 2:01Speaker 1: Thirty years later, I opened my biggest restaurant, Mercado, Little Spain,
- 2:06Speaker 1: on thirty Street, hundred fifty meters away from the same
- 2:09Speaker 1: place I arrived as a young sailor. American dreams. The
- 2:13Speaker 1: American dream is real. So after you finish your tour
- 2:17Speaker 1: of duty in the Spanish Navy, you went back to Spain.
- 2:21Speaker 1: And when did you come to the United States as
- 2:24Speaker 1: a non navy person. Yeah. I arrived like around. I
- 2:28Speaker 1: came back like the beginning of to New York to
- 2:32Speaker 1: be a young cook in a in a Catalan restaurant
- 2:37Speaker 1: in New York in Manhattan. It was a lot of
- 2:40Speaker 1: investment that was coming from Spain into the United States.
- 2:44Speaker 1: Was the Olympic Games of Barcelon and two. It was
- 2:47Speaker 1: a lot of kind of cultural and business collaboration. I
- 2:51Speaker 1: was one of those guys that came to America to
- 2:54Speaker 1: become almost like you know, a culinary ambassador to a degree.
- 2:59Speaker 1: I came to America, I never looked back. So you
- 3:01Speaker 1: set up your own restaurant eventually, and your first restaurant
- 3:05Speaker 1: was at a Spanish restaurant. Yeah. I then I was
- 3:08Speaker 1: in New York. I left New York, I traveled around.
- 3:10Speaker 1: I went Puero Rico, I went to California, was in Lahoia. Um.
- 3:15Speaker 1: I really got to know America, different parts of America.
- 3:18Speaker 1: But then I got to school two businessmen that both
- 3:21Speaker 1: had two restaurants. Robert to Albare's and Rob Wilder, and
- 3:25Speaker 1: they say, we're opening a Spanish restaurant in Washington, and
- 3:29Speaker 1: we would like for you to be our chef. I came,
- 3:33Speaker 1: I joined another great chef who was a partner, and
- 3:36Speaker 1: they excepted the chef and cushion. I was twenty three
- 3:40Speaker 1: was January of nine. Washington has been my home. Science
- 3:44Speaker 1: then now you have thirty restaurants more or less in
- 3:48Speaker 1: Las Vegas and other parts of the Los Angeles, Miami.
- 3:52Speaker 1: But they're not all the same in the words. You
- 3:54Speaker 1: have restaurants that to Spanish food, different types of food.
- 3:58Speaker 1: Is that right? Yeah? In a way, what I do
- 4:01Speaker 1: is I don't open businesses. I always say I tell
- 4:04Speaker 1: his stories. I'm a cook. I expressed myself through my cooking,
- 4:08Speaker 1: my plates, and what you see is a collection of
- 4:11Speaker 1: his stories. I share with people, the stories I learned
- 4:15Speaker 1: and the stories that other people tell me, one place
- 4:18Speaker 1: at the time. Then they become restaurants. Now, the most
- 4:21Speaker 1: famous restaurant you ever wanted to open was in the
- 4:25Speaker 1: Trump Hotel on Pennsylvania Avenue, and you had worked out
- 4:29Speaker 1: in arrangement. I guess with Donald Trump before he was
- 4:31Speaker 1: elected president, and then after he made his opening speech
- 4:36Speaker 1: when he said he was going to run for president,
- 4:38Speaker 1: you decided to back out, He sued you. What was
- 4:42Speaker 1: that all about? And how that get resolved? Well, this
- 4:45Speaker 1: was the restaurant where it became the building that used
- 4:48Speaker 1: to be the old Posts post house office, the old
- 4:51Speaker 1: post office that became the Trump Hotel. Uh. I had
- 4:55Speaker 1: a dream of opening a restaurant on that building. But
- 5:00Speaker 1: then when Mr Trump began opening, he's making opinions about immigrants.
- 5:08Speaker 1: I thought that the way he was doing it was
- 5:11Speaker 1: not aligned with my values. I understand everybody can have
- 5:15Speaker 1: their opinion, but their opinion should be respectful. He began
- 5:18Speaker 1: showing kind of a love disrespect in the way he
- 5:23Speaker 1: was talking about my fellow citizens in this case, immigrants,
- 5:27Speaker 1: undocumented or not, just good people. At the end, I
- 5:31Speaker 1: guess between the lawyers they arrived to a friendly resolution
- 5:35Speaker 1: which I cannot talk much more about it. But he
- 5:38Speaker 1: opened his hotel and I got what I wanted. That
- 5:41Speaker 1: was not opening my restaurant on that location. Okay, you
- 5:45Speaker 1: have thirty restaurants, more or less not the one of
- 5:47Speaker 1: the Trump Hotel. You're pretty successful, you're well known. You're
- 5:50Speaker 1: also teaching at Harvard in food and other things. Pretty
- 5:54Speaker 1: nice life. You're gonna build an even bigger business empire,
- 5:58Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, there's an earth quake
- 6:00Speaker 1: in Haiti. So why did you decide to kind of
- 6:04Speaker 1: walk a little bit away from your restaurant business to
- 6:07Speaker 1: go feed the people in Haiti. You're not Haitian, nobody
- 6:10Speaker 1: asked you to do this. What propelled you all of
- 6:12Speaker 1: a sudden say I'm going to feed the people in Haiti.
- 6:14Speaker 1: They don't have any food. I almost have to go
- 6:17Speaker 1: back twenty years ago when I arrived the sea. First,
- 6:20Speaker 1: I was able to go to an organization called this
- 6:22Speaker 1: c Central Kitchen, the best fighting hunger organization. I know.
- 6:28Speaker 1: We don't only take care of people out of the
- 6:30Speaker 1: streets and ex combats, UH put them in a place
- 6:33Speaker 1: of of a possible success. We trend them to be cooked.
- 6:38Speaker 1: In the process, we get food that is about to
- 6:40Speaker 1: be thrown away. We put everything together. We gave opportunity
- 6:43Speaker 1: to people. We feed people at the same time. Brilliant idea.
- 6:47Speaker 1: I saw the power of food to change the lives
- 6:49Speaker 1: of people, the life of our community. When Haiti happened,
- 6:53Speaker 1: I was very close to Haiti. I was in the
- 6:55Speaker 1: Cayman Islands, and it's almost like a connection. I'm enjoying
- 6:59Speaker 1: a good time with my family on a beautiful island
- 7:01Speaker 1: on navacation, and all of a sudden, I'm like, men,
- 7:04Speaker 1: take a look at that disaster. I didn't go immediately,
- 7:08Speaker 1: but very very much. A few weeks later, I landed
- 7:10Speaker 1: in Dominican Republic. I drove to Havy with one simple intention.
- 7:15Speaker 1: First to learn, because to help you must learn how
- 7:18Speaker 1: help must be provided. But for me, it was the
- 7:22Speaker 1: beginning of the creation of Wall Central Kitchen. That was
- 7:25Speaker 1: very simple, to bring together the power of the food
- 7:28Speaker 1: people of the Wall restaurants, chefs, food people, farmers to
- 7:33Speaker 1: make sure that we will be able to answer to
- 7:35Speaker 1: emergencies quickly and fast. Unlike sometimes when other relief organizations
- 7:41Speaker 1: go in to help people who are in distress, you
- 7:44Speaker 1: don't just say here's some food, go cook it. You
- 7:47Speaker 1: actually provide meals themselves. You cook the meals. Is that
- 7:50Speaker 1: right at the very beginning, when there is destruction, used
- 7:54Speaker 1: to think that you can get people food is used
- 7:56Speaker 1: very naive when its destruction means that the homes are destroyed,
- 8:01Speaker 1: there is no clean water, there is probably no gas,
- 8:05Speaker 1: people are probably in distress, looking for loved ones. When
- 8:09Speaker 1: chaos and happens, just you cannot give people use dry
- 8:13Speaker 1: beans and expect that that's all you can do. At
- 8:16Speaker 1: the very beginning, it's very important that you move away
- 8:18Speaker 1: the problem of where the food is coming from, where
- 8:21Speaker 1: the water is coming from. This is one least less
- 8:25Speaker 1: problem that they have to handle. So that's what we do.
- 8:27Speaker 1: We arrive, we see the situation, We start feeling people
- 8:32Speaker 1: using whatever whatever possibilities we have in the places we go.
- 8:37Speaker 1: Every situation has a different response. Let's talk about COVID.
- 8:41Speaker 1: When COVID came, people stopped going out the restaurants. You
- 8:44Speaker 1: had thirty restaurants. I assume you had to close virtually
- 8:47Speaker 1: all of them, is that right? For a while, we
- 8:49Speaker 1: we had to close all of that, but you still
- 8:51Speaker 1: paid your employees for a while because you were nice
- 8:54Speaker 1: about it. But it wasn't that kind of expensive to
- 8:56Speaker 1: paying people who weren't working. I mean, this is a
- 8:59Speaker 1: decision I early will make again. My partners supported it,
- 9:03Speaker 1: and then we were very lucky that then something called
- 9:06Speaker 1: p P peeking. But when we made the decision, we
- 9:09Speaker 1: kept everybody in peril for four or five six weeks
- 9:13Speaker 1: and when you're talking about employees, that's a lot of money.
- 9:19Speaker 1: But we had to do it because remember there were
- 9:22Speaker 1: very cootic days. Nobody knew what was happening. We had
- 9:26Speaker 1: to close because it's a virus. When we will be reopening.
- 9:31Speaker 1: Everything was kind of very complex, and we thought that
- 9:35Speaker 1: being there next to the people at the beginning was
- 9:37Speaker 1: the right thing. I will do it ten times over.
- 9:39Speaker 1: So in this period of COVID, you have been feeding
- 9:42Speaker 1: people in the United States who have lost their jobs,
- 9:46Speaker 1: who don't have food. Did you ever think in the
- 9:48Speaker 1: United States should be in a situation where people are
- 9:50Speaker 1: standing in food lines and quite the level that we've seen. Um,
- 9:55Speaker 1: kind of we saw a glimpse when the federal government
- 9:59Speaker 1: shut down. We don't realize that we had many Americans,
- 10:02Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands of Americans, millions without a paycheck for
- 10:05Speaker 1: six weeks. And some people could handle it, but was many,
- 10:09Speaker 1: especially mothers, single mothers with few children, not pay checked
- 10:14Speaker 1: from the federal government. Many of them suffered. So we
- 10:18Speaker 1: already began kind of a system where we were fitting
- 10:21Speaker 1: over thirty six states and we were doing thousands and
- 10:24Speaker 1: thousands of mills. These somehow was the training for what happened.
- 10:30Speaker 1: I never reminded that we will have something like this,
- 10:33Speaker 1: but we knew that America, as great of a country
- 10:38Speaker 1: we have, it's a lot of people that they are
- 10:40Speaker 1: living under the poverty line. And when something like this happening,
- 10:44Speaker 1: when people losing their jobs, an emergency situation like the
- 10:49Speaker 1: one we were facing, that hunger was going to be
- 10:52Speaker 1: open for everybody to see. Well, despite your efforts, which
- 10:57Speaker 1: have been heroic, many Americans are going to sleep at
- 11:00Speaker 1: night hungry. And I think there are large numbers of
- 11:03Speaker 1: tens and tens of millions of Americans. So is that
- 11:05Speaker 1: because the government isn't getting food to people in addition
- 11:08Speaker 1: to what you're doing, or people just don't have the money,
- 11:10Speaker 1: or what is the basic problem? Well, what's in the kitchen?
- 11:13Speaker 1: We are used the tip of the iceberg is many
- 11:15Speaker 1: great organizations doing good work. But what happens is we
- 11:18Speaker 1: don't have anybody that really is trying to coordinate everything.
- 11:23Speaker 1: We saw in these pandemic hospitals without food because everything
- 11:27Speaker 1: was shut down. People were not going to work, cooks
- 11:29Speaker 1: were not going to the kitchens. All of the sudden,
- 11:31Speaker 1: you had hospitals that nobody was feeding. Organizations like World
- 11:35Speaker 1: Center a kitchen. We had to activate that emergency. But
- 11:38Speaker 1: then we saw millions of Americans losing their jobs, many
- 11:42Speaker 1: of them are undocumented. We I'm not gonna get political
- 11:46Speaker 1: if we should be taking care of them documented or not,
- 11:50Speaker 1: but this is the reality that we had millions of
- 11:53Speaker 1: America undocumented work in the fields, so you and I
- 11:57Speaker 1: we could have festivals in the supermarket, working on delivery,
- 12:01Speaker 1: so you and I we could beginning food deliver home.
- 12:03Speaker 1: We hadn't documented that they've been moving America through this pandemics.
- 12:08Speaker 1: So is very clear to me that we must be
- 12:11Speaker 1: taking care of everybody. The federal government has possibilities to
- 12:16Speaker 1: have a better way to keep everybody fed. The last
- 12:21Speaker 1: big meaningful conversation about how to fit America happened in
- 12:25Speaker 1: nineteen nine under the Nixon administration, which was the White
- 12:29Speaker 1: House Summit of sixty nine, fifty years ago. Over fifty
- 12:33Speaker 1: years ago is what overdue that we have another food
- 12:36Speaker 1: Summit at the White House where we bring the ideas
- 12:39Speaker 1: that have worked in the past, new ideas that they
- 12:43Speaker 1: need to be coming forward and improving, others that need
- 12:46Speaker 1: some tweaking. We have the power to do it. I
- 12:49Speaker 1: hope that in Disney administration and Republicans and Democrats together
- 12:53Speaker 1: will come to allow those new ideas to come and flourish.
- 12:56Speaker 1: Now you've argued, I think that there should be a
- 12:58Speaker 1: food ZAR and that Department of Agriculture should be maybe
- 13:01Speaker 1: renamed Department of Food and Agriculture. Right now, who's in
- 13:05Speaker 1: charge of food in the United States? Quite frankly, technically nobody,
- 13:12Speaker 1: uh And I know some people would say, Jose, come on,
- 13:14Speaker 1: I'm here, Jose, I'm here. We need the person next
- 13:17Speaker 1: to the president that has the big political support and
- 13:23Speaker 1: the office we need. After September eleven, the the National
- 13:29Speaker 1: Director of Intelligence Office was created to make sure that
- 13:32Speaker 1: all the agencies and all the intelligence people will come
- 13:36Speaker 1: together so we can be good defending America from a
- 13:39Speaker 1: possible terrorist attack. I do believe it's time that we
- 13:43Speaker 1: will create also the Office of the National Director of
- 13:47Speaker 1: Food and Nutrition at the White House, almost with a
- 13:50Speaker 1: seat on the National Security Council next to the President,
- 13:54Speaker 1: and making sure that we bring the resources of every
- 13:57Speaker 1: single department. Foot is more than the U S. The
- 14:00Speaker 1: A even is the obvious one, but food is also
- 14:04Speaker 1: the Department of Housing. We can end food desserts in
- 14:07Speaker 1: every houseing project that the US Housing Department have is
- 14:12Speaker 1: transportation because food also needs to have good mechanemic sims
- 14:16Speaker 1: to bring food to the poor rural areas all across America.
- 14:20Speaker 1: Food is also homeland security, It's food, dis immigration reform, food.
- 14:26Speaker 1: It's so many things at once that that's why we
- 14:29Speaker 1: need to take food once and for all. Seriously, So
- 14:32Speaker 1: you campaign for um Joe Biden President Biden, Um, would
- 14:38Speaker 1: you've been interested in this job? Or you still got
- 14:40Speaker 1: your restaurants in World Central Kitchen? So you're not gonna
- 14:42Speaker 1: do something like that in the White House yourself? It
- 14:45Speaker 1: was there nobody else. Maybe I could be a good
- 14:50Speaker 1: a good leader on that front, only because I'm a
- 14:52Speaker 1: hard worker. I'm creative enough, and I know who to
- 14:56Speaker 1: bring people together. But me, quite frankly, I'm a guy
- 14:59Speaker 1: that likes to be with wots on the ground. I
- 15:02Speaker 1: like to see what's happening. So, uh it is me
- 15:05Speaker 1: one day, who knows I'm fifty one. Now. What I
- 15:08Speaker 1: want now is to make sure the number one we
- 15:10Speaker 1: recognize that we need that person, that we recognize we
- 15:13Speaker 1: need that position, and that Actually I'm very happy with
- 15:16Speaker 1: Secretary Bill set because we need somebody with expertise. Obviously,
- 15:20Speaker 1: having a governor of a rural uh estate, Having somebody
- 15:25Speaker 1: that has done ideas as Secretary of Agriculture is going
- 15:29Speaker 1: to help enormously to put the USDA forward. And I
- 15:32Speaker 1: know he's coming to the position with both ideas. But
- 15:35Speaker 1: I keep saying, we need the White White House Food Summit,
- 15:38Speaker 1: and we need this new director National Director of Food
- 15:42Speaker 1: the Nutrition. This is imperative. If we don't do this,
- 15:46Speaker 1: we're gonna miss a lot of opportunities to maximize the
- 15:49Speaker 1: potential of the many agencies coming working together. So when
- 15:54Speaker 1: you're a chef, you're cooking elaborate me as for people.
- 15:57Speaker 1: They then consume it in five or ten minutes. Uh.
- 16:00Speaker 1: Do you get pleasure at making people happy? Or do
- 16:02Speaker 1: you say I work so hard on this and now
- 16:04Speaker 1: it's gone in five or ten minutes. Well, sometimes I
- 16:07Speaker 1: create dishes that they are used experiencing one second. Sometimes
- 16:11Speaker 1: a second is all it needs, you know. Sometimes one
- 16:13Speaker 1: of the most amazing things if you get freshes now
- 16:17Speaker 1: and you go out with a spoon and you grab
- 16:19Speaker 1: the top of the snow fresh you get a little
- 16:22Speaker 1: bit of honey on maple syrup and you put a
- 16:24Speaker 1: touch on top, a little bit of salt, and you
- 16:27Speaker 1: bring that snow that you came down and you put
- 16:31Speaker 1: in your mouth. Your life is gonna change forever because
- 16:34Speaker 1: that's gonna be the best or bad, the best that
- 16:38Speaker 1: you've ever eaten. So it's very important to understand those moments.
- 16:42Speaker 1: So when you go home after a hard day at work,
- 16:45Speaker 1: world's central kitchen or your restaurants, do you say to
- 16:47Speaker 1: your wife, could you cook a meal for me? Or
- 16:49Speaker 1: do you do all the cooking at home as well? No?
- 16:52Speaker 1: She my wife has a lot of cooking at home,
- 16:54Speaker 1: and my daughter's obviously she has more the traditional recipes
- 16:58Speaker 1: that we always cook, like lenty or cheek peace with spinish.
- 17:02Speaker 1: Those are dishes that are always in my home and
- 17:05Speaker 1: my daughter's love. But you don't say, honey, this isn't
- 17:08Speaker 1: quite as good as I would have cooked it, or
- 17:10Speaker 1: let me tell you how to cook this better. You
- 17:12Speaker 1: never say that when my wife cooks is always the
- 17:14Speaker 1: best meal. Okay. So if you were in a desert
- 17:17Speaker 1: island and you can only have one meal, what would
- 17:21Speaker 1: you want to eat? What is your favorite food eat?
- 17:25Speaker 1: If I was in an one meal these uh, probably,
- 17:30Speaker 1: without doubt, without doubt, I will say, give me an egg,
- 17:36Speaker 1: an egg I love ex okay, I love fry egg.
- 17:42Speaker 1: Is the most complex thing in the history of mankind
- 17:45Speaker 1: to fry an egg properly. Those people that will control
- 17:50Speaker 1: the power to fry an egg, it's just people that
- 17:53Speaker 1: they can't retire from anything else on life because it's
- 17:58Speaker 1: the ultimate thing in life to now how to properly
- 18:01Speaker 1: fry an egg. So around the world there is a
- 18:06Speaker 1: rating system of great restaurants, a Michelin Guide. Do you
- 18:09Speaker 1: pay attention to that kind of thing? Is that important
- 18:11Speaker 1: to you Mischiling Guide stars? Or is that not that
- 18:13Speaker 1: big of deal. When I was fourteen fifteen years old
- 18:16Speaker 1: in Barcelona, I will walk outside one to three Michelling
- 18:20Speaker 1: Star restaurants only so I could have the opportunity to
- 18:24Speaker 1: have a glimpse inside, because my family will not take
- 18:27Speaker 1: them me. There were expensive restaurants. I still remember that
- 18:30Speaker 1: my heart was kind of bumping the first time I
- 18:33Speaker 1: came into a Michelling and Star restaurant in the kitchen
- 18:36Speaker 1: no even to eat, so in my myself. Thirty five
- 18:42Speaker 1: plast years later, obviously I have two restaurants with two
- 18:46Speaker 1: two Michelling Stars. Uh in l A and Miami, even
- 18:50Speaker 1: De l A one is already closed. And the biggest
- 18:53Speaker 1: joy of my life was the day we got those
- 18:55Speaker 1: two star. Michelling Whill I wore hard to try to
- 18:58Speaker 1: get in the future a third star. Sure, it's what
- 19:02Speaker 1: you live in life for right it's Michelin has been
- 19:05Speaker 1: here forever, is one of the big guys. I don't
- 19:07Speaker 1: do it so much for Michelin. I do it for
- 19:09Speaker 1: my team. I do it for me. I do it
- 19:11Speaker 1: for the people. I do it for the pride. But
- 19:14Speaker 1: do I would work in the future to try to
- 19:16Speaker 1: achieve through star Michelin? You bet I will for your
- 19:20Speaker 1: humanitarian efforts. You've been nominated for the Nobel Peace Price,
- 19:24Speaker 1: So I don't know, they said. But I don't know.
- 19:26Speaker 1: But is that something you care about or you're more
- 19:28Speaker 1: focused a lot of stuff? I mean quite frankly, all
- 19:30Speaker 1: those things are are good for the forrest gum movies
- 19:35Speaker 1: of my life. But at the end, what I care.
- 19:39Speaker 1: I have hard time now knowing when there is an
- 19:41Speaker 1: emergency and I'm not there right now next to be
- 19:45Speaker 1: with my family. My heart really is at his best,
- 19:49Speaker 1: and I feel good with myself when I'm in a
- 19:53Speaker 1: Maria in an emergency, knowing that we are bringing relief
- 19:56Speaker 1: to others as I thank you very much for coming
- 19:58Speaker 1: to my kitchen. I've been your kitchen many times. Mine
- 20:00Speaker 1: is not quite as good as yours, but it's the
- 20:03Speaker 1: best I have. Thank you very much. Thanks for listening
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